ADCC Brawl: A Discussion on Sportsmanship and Grappling (Episode 80)

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Welcome back to Fires Drinking Coffee. This episode is going to be run a little differently.

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We're going to have, well, we're watching replays of ADCC right now.

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We already know the end of this, but we want to go over sportsmanship.

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And the main reason is the battle, the little fight that occurred at ADCC. The brawl.

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Um it was a brawl between team Kazakhstan and I guess it's kings team Kingsway

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I would be right yeah dude I mean and I guess other people I don't know we're

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gonna find out what is actually covered on flow what what all they the flow cameras captured but,

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I'm happy to bring out my my phone it's something important to do me and Christian

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this morning we're just like Bergara uh we're just tossing clips back and forth

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when it was like did you see this angle look look at this shit is crazy here

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we go yeah it's about to start here but but I say I like to I was gonna say, bro, that it's like.

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The Kingsway guys were like, it's John and Gordon.

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Yeah, they're coaching today. And then Dorian and his dad. So they were like

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two, it was like two men of fighting age,

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older men who should just not be bothered his dad his dad man i hope we get

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it it'd be dope if like the flow is gonna have the best quality cameras it's

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gonna be on it uh because i think i've seen the actual,

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i've seen so many there's some with like dudes like doing selfies oh yeah there's

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lots of footage um there's like too much footage but so story and olivera's Bekzak Kapashav.

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Who's Team Kazakhstan, they had a pretty...

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They brought the squad, by the way. It looks like they brought a squad of tough

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dudes. Well, it is the national team, essentially. But so they had a rough match.

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I mean, it was like a pretty...

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It was a wrestling-heavy match. I mean, they're both...

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Olivares is like a full-on legit wrestler. Like, he's sick.

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But, you know, and then Kazakhstan, like they're also just a wrestling culture

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so he uh there's a few little,

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moments of instigation that occur like

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both sides get a little rough and looks pretty right now they're talking about

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they're talking about covering up olivares's staff on his forehead oh shit he

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has staff on his forehead yeah he has staff on his forehead um so that's what

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they're doing right now we're like they're like bro we gotta wrap your

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shit like you got staff on your head he's like yeah i know i have staff on my head

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um who knew i didn't know that what are you talking yeah uh they were talking about it,

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that was like all the rage yesterday about like his massive pimple he has on

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his forehead you can see it's shiny as hell too gross see right there see it

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um i assume he's on antibiotics or something i guess,

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uh i mean i don't blame like are you gonna not do adcc worlds i'm gonna do it

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no like i'm gonna do it at this point whatever they saw like they're you're

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gonna get staff there probably anyways like whatever uh,

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but yeah i know they had like a sick sick matchup they get into a couple little uh,

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like tussles on the mat there's a bite a slap uh.

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I don't know what's going on now but there's a there's a bite that occurs a

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little slap that occurs oh there's having them put the thing on got it uh but so they uh get into,

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fucking bitch what is that siri we didn't ask fucking alexa dude so you all

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see what i have to live with i'm not gonna live with like this is Alex is spying on me all the time.

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This is Scott's spy lady. Oh, there she is right now. Now she's on the TV.

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We didn't ask. We didn't ask. I mean, I did say her name, but it's okay, woman. All right.

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Scott's roommate was interrupting I thought, yeah, stupid bitch Alexa. Yeah.

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But so, you know, a couple little tussles, and then it breaks out into a brawl at the end.

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We'll definitely commentate on that when it actually pops up,

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but... We're just watching some pretty active scraps right now.

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There's hand fighting, nice, okay.

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Dorian's aggressive, so is the other dude. Dorian's got a good two-on-one, looking here.

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Active as always. I mean, so far, it looks like just a pretty normal match, right?

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Like nothing wacky has happened yet yeah and like you have also so dorian's

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a is actually like a two-time national champion for folk style wrestling like he's,

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full-on legit um and this is right now there's there's a lot of wrestling going on uh oh.

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Headbutt so i missed the headbutt yeah he just got headbutts put his eye open

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i think was it that's was the headbutt and of normal nature yeah it just oh no eye poke hang on uh,

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this is different he goes to the arm drag the dude goes to post and just yeah

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but that just looks like normal like shit for uh but,

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all this to say this was a pretty like rough match like they were they were

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going after each other they were getting a little rough which is fine like they

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were doing as expected right like this is a combat sport shit happens but it all,

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it all ends in uh you're gonna have to hold that now It all ends in a,

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nice little width there.

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They're banging right now, and it's working. Looks like Dorian gets him down.

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Yeah, but it all ends at the very after the end of the match.

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Oh, look, there's Logan Hicks.

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He's a local guy. Yeah, he's with the standard boys. Shaded blonde taking pictures.

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But so, shout out to them. Shout out to him for probably paying his way over there.

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There's a tussle on there. There's DeAndre Corbett. There's DeAndre.

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But then there's also quite a bit of...

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Two teams fight, maybe a few other people. There's bystanders caught in the

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middle. There's definitely some people who are like, yes, fuck yeah,

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dude. There's definitely people.

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So it always happens at tournaments, too. Yeah.

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There's been a lot of brawls at ACC tournaments as of late. Well,

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you know, it's worth discussing.

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They definitely cultivate a bit of a rough around the edges.

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Oh, I think they kind of want it. I do, too. They only talk about it if there's

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backlash after the fact.

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They kind of let it happen, and then if they hear later that the community was

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not for it, then they're like, oh, well, they're banned now.

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Yeah, we totally didn't like that.

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We don't condone this. We didn't want any of that stuff. I know that we are

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totally okay with matches going off the mats and people getting thrown into the concrete.

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That's all fair play. this is where the we're gonna draw the line now let's

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watch we definitely don't

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create uh scenarios for this by the way it might also be worth us looking at

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the sidelines and be like alright which one of these guys is gonna jump in here

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in like 8 minutes well yeah I think his coach he looks kind of like a,

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I don't know. I don't want to besmirch Beck Zott's team before I see what happens,

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but I'm pretty sure from the videos I saw that big-ass dude in his corner, I think he was in the mix.

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Well, I think he's the one that fights Gordon. And then I think,

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because someone, like, jumped guillotine on somebody, I kind of want to,

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I, like, deep down really hope that there's, like...

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Here it is. Yeah, this is where he bites him. So Dorian's attacking from mount,

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guys. He's attacking an arm triangle.

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He's putting a ton of pressure on back Zett, the... I'm going to call him BK. Kapushov.

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Kapushov. And so. Oh, no, this isn't it yet. Well, we'll probably be back around

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these parts in a second here. Dorian's putting a ton of pressure,

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threatening chokes and this and that.

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And he's a little caught up, right? So maybe, like, tensions are a little high.

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Yeah, that's from the, I think that's from, like, the, I think that's the eye

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poke or the head butt, whatever it was.

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So up. So BK, Kapushov actually gets out.

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Oh, scramble, scramble, scramble. He's attacking position. Dorian's going to

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end up on top it looks like he does in the midst of a pretty good scramble Dorian

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actually rolls out and puts Kapushov on his back he's in,

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Kapushov's close guard they're going to reset here they're going to a blood

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reset yeah they're going to.

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Do something okay so so far it's like a it's a high velocity like spirited match

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nothing crazy no one's like,

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no no no no finger to the mouth fouls have occurred yet uh there have been no

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fouls that have occurred but uh,

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i know some of those guys that know that was on the other side so the,

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fight occurred yes i gotta look at it on our side of the right here i believe

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so wait where is yeah you're right no you're right because the other side looks

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like it's elevated now yep yeah there is where deandre is yeah so they're right there so,

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i wonder if the stand yeah no no it's you're right it's our side it is it is

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they have them flipped so uh.

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Which is actually kind of smart but the well the cameras are on both sides you're

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looking at see yeah see and on this side yeah that's right there's no barriers

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between the crowd and uh yeah then like a couple feet and those dudes just launch

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themselves into the into the scrap

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well yeah because yeah does that side drop off too because i they like go off

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the platform it looks like that side's elevated dude that looks like more like

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a regular bleachers where you gotta walk up them stairs and they have a little

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see that some there's like a little metal barrier up there,

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those are some intense emt uniforms they do it right over there in eastern europe

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doesn't fuck around yeah they like their they like their like utility wear i

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have a pair of like european work pants and they're now they like that yeah

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they're like that they're not that bright but they've got hella pockets.

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We don't have enough pockets on our work pants. It's true, man.

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The Europeans know what's up, dude. They're very utilitarian people.

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Shout out to Europe. Shout out to Europe. Shout out to the European work player.

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Thanks for hosting this, Poland.

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Yeah, crack it up. Appreciate you guys for dealing with this.

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All right, here we go. Because that's Dorian's dad, right?

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Good question. I'm not sure. Because I saw Donaher behind that guy.

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You guys can't see it, but dang. He's going for an Americana from guard yeah

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it's getting a little okay it's picking up but this is all normal i think that

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is jorian's dad you're right yeah um.

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He's the one who does his wrestling coaching, I believe. Or had been doing it.

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He's going for sweeps here. Yeah, I mean, again, nothing crazy has happened

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yet. They made it really seem like there was a lot more.

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Well, it could be that it's building up to it. But yeah, I agree with you.

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This match so far, you're right. This is a normal competitive rough and tumble

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match. That's totally fine.

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A lot of the coverage I had heard today made it seem like there was a lot of,

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unsportsmanlike shit going on.

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Going on beforehand. before but not really i mean like the eye poke that's normal

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it was normal that wasn't anything crazy like wasn't on purpose so i don't know um,

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as of right now i'd say like competitive match yeah like nobody's doing anything

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fucked up obviously i've seen the the hand bite like that was that's coming,

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that was obviously not cool like that's like shit like i'd like maybe we can

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pause and actually look at the bite let me see well yeah i'll be curious too

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like how much of an intentional bite, was it?

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It was very intentional from what I saw. We'll see it again.

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He took his hand and put it in his mouth.

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He likes to face smother. It's right here. Come on.

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He bites him. He slaps him. Do we need a better angle?

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I like the ref holding him down with one hand. He's like, nah,

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bro. Actually, the ref's doing a good job of nipping it in the bud before it

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becomes a psycho. It's actually...

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A lot of the cuts I saw, it was that And then it just cuts to Dorian walking

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off. And then the fight happened. So they don't show the rest of the match.

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He's like, no, no, no, no. You can't. Yeah, so they just DQ'd him.

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You're right. Fresh off of the.

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And then. Oh, there's the headbutt. And here it goes. Come on.

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Here we go. Good camera. Okay. Okay.

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Yeah. So that was the headbutt. All right, so Kapushov bites him.

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So dad's getting a little mad. Dad's getting mad at the referees.

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He's like, why'd you DQ him? He got bit.

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Now, I will say in the referee's defense on the DQ, he can't see Dorian get bit.

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No, actually, I don't fault the referee for that, too.

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No, like, from the referee's angle, it actually looks like Dorian initiated

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that because it doesn't show, he can't see the bite occur, right?

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See when the crowd gets going nutty. There's, like, a decent amount of,

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like, latent period between the end of the match and...

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And honestly, with the exception of the face slap, Dorian's actually kind of.

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Keeping it, keeping the cool head. No, bro, to be honest with you,

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when I watched all the clips earlier in the day before I saw,

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I've actually seen the match. Like, here we go. Let's see it.

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See if they show. No, fuck. They don't show it. Look, I'm on,

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I kind of, I'm on team Dorian, dude. When I see this all go down,

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I'm like, I kind of support.

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Yeah. Cause this guy head butts him. He bit him.

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No, I think the other guy kind of made the punk move. Yeah. No.

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So now that, now that I've actually seen the, and it's his squad, we got it.

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We might need to queue up some Instagram. His squad is the one who decided to

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rush too. Yeah. They fucking, they go, they go nutty, dude.

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Well, we haven't gotten, we might have to just like. No, we haven't.

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We might have to fast forward a little bit for the sake of it.

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No, let's let it ride. Let's let it, let's let it ride.

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Everything, it's, it's interesting because of how, like. Why is he getting corner

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time? This is kind of weird though. Well, I think, I think they decued it. I think it's over.

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Oh, they've decued him. I could be wrong. He went like that.

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Maybe that was just a penalty. So now they might be reviewing it.

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Oh, so he's, he's arguing it right now is what's happening. So,

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so he gets bit. He slaps him.

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They, there's like an argument with, referee then the dude gets in his face

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head butts him there's a little bit of a scuffle but that's just between the

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coaches like it wasn't the rest of the whole thing um.

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Now they are now they're arguing the dq is what's going on at this point,

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yeah dude donahur and his fucking rash guards that's that's what he does look

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and fly dude that's what he does butterfly i like that he doesn't just he's

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not just wearing like a plain one though yeah he's wearing like a full-on bedazzled Yeah, like.

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So it looks like it's over, but it's unclear. Let's see. Yeah,

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I want to see like precisely when the moment is that it's a side just mayhem.

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Because we know that, so we know they both get DQ'd at the end of this.

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They end up getting rid of both of them, probably because of the all-out brawl.

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Definitely, because of the all-out brawl. They now have made this stance throughout

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the year that brawls aren't okay, so they definitely can't let it happen here.

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The jack dude with the shirt off is definitely, I think the Signs brothers kind

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of like, so according to the commentary I saw on Instagram, the Signs brothers

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kind of stepped in to sort of like, be extra horsepower for the Americans who

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are behind enemy lines by themselves. Um...

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In their enforcers here. Well, they actually don't get involved in the scrap,

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but they're there for like, just to kind of like keep somewhat of...

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Those referees knew what was going on the second the guy got close.

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They were like, no, no, no, no, no. This is going to be a fight.

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They did. It is a fight, but... Yeah.

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Let's see how it kicks off. He's like, we're going to fight him.

00:15:14.231 --> 00:15:15.773
Don't worry. The boys are coming.

00:15:18.093 --> 00:15:21.824
I don't know what the hell's going on. Okay.

00:15:22.219 --> 00:15:25.400
Still standing around. Yeah, they're just waiting for a decision at this point

00:15:25.620 --> 00:15:29.153
um so maybe that's what it is maybe when like he gets dq'd too they're like

00:15:29.153 --> 00:15:32.586
they have a spaz moment and probably melt down they're like fuck it rush

00:15:33.027 --> 00:15:37.273
i'm just guessing don't know well while we wait for the events to occur uh,

00:15:38.053 --> 00:15:43.527
sportsmanship right that's kind of what we're going to be looking at here um don't bite,

00:15:44.166 --> 00:15:47.793
your opponents don't bite your opponents i mean honestly with the exception

00:15:47.793 --> 00:15:52.553
of the slapping you should be do kind of what dorian did in this instance which

00:15:52.553 --> 00:15:54.563
is just point out that the dude bit you uh.

00:15:56.093 --> 00:16:00.693
Don't slap them though like that's he could have just postured up and not being

00:16:00.693 --> 00:16:03.923
getting bit anymore like he wasn't getting bit when he slapped him just stops

00:16:03.923 --> 00:16:06.271
just don't slap them at that point just be like hey like,

00:16:07.694 --> 00:16:11.019
This dude's biting me while I'm trying to jiu-jitsu him. Yeah.

00:16:11.019 --> 00:16:12.899
It's not in the rules, referee, sir.

00:16:14.033 --> 00:16:19.385
Yeah, he escalated it. Yeah. He also probably was like, you have to, you know.

00:16:19.983 --> 00:16:22.979
Well, there's a heat of the moment. I'll give him a little bit of a.

00:16:23.259 --> 00:16:24.979
Yeah, it's a heat of the moment. And like the guy just bit him.

00:16:25.039 --> 00:16:28.069
And they're in the middle of a combat sport where like probably tensions are

00:16:28.069 --> 00:16:30.759
kind of high naturally anyways because it's a combat sport.

00:16:30.759 --> 00:16:34.269
And then, yeah, dude, gets bit. So he like kind of instincts slapped him.

00:16:34.269 --> 00:16:37.924
And then the other dude was like, it's like, what's interesting to me is that

00:16:38.359 --> 00:16:42.799
the other guy has chosen to like escalate this to like actual fight because he bit him.

00:16:42.799 --> 00:16:45.439
And then when he slapped them, like, all right, you might also,

00:16:45.739 --> 00:16:48.169
one might assume it's like, all right, that's a one to one. You bit me.

00:16:48.169 --> 00:16:51.456
I slapped you. Let's call it there. Then he headbutts him back and then headbutts him again.

00:16:51.729 --> 00:16:54.239
So this, the dude from Kazakhstan, I think is looking for blood.

00:16:54.239 --> 00:16:57.179
Here we go. It's got to be coming. Oh yeah. So they, this is, it's over.

00:16:57.659 --> 00:17:00.354
Here's the walk off. Where is it coming?

00:17:01.673 --> 00:17:06.839
So wait, they just straight DQ'd? I don't exactly know. Olivares, is that?

00:17:08.317 --> 00:17:11.460
Look, we know they both get DQ'd. Let's just try to figure out. Yeah, I've just.

00:17:12.277 --> 00:17:15.239
The fisticuffs that are coming here in a second. Like, how the fuck is that all?

00:17:15.460 --> 00:17:18.527
So they're already, so Olivares is already gone at this point.

00:17:18.527 --> 00:17:21.810
So now that's actually. Here we go, here it is. Here we go, here we go. Hold up.

00:17:22.205 --> 00:17:24.934
Cameraman, do the shit. Yeah, they're not going to, I don't think.

00:17:25.143 --> 00:17:27.586
Oh no, that wasn't it. So this is where it must.

00:17:28.080 --> 00:17:31.969
Maybe, but they walked off. Maybe they like, no. I don't know.

00:17:32.486 --> 00:17:38.587
So there's still a bunch of, uh, so wait, is this, there's so much suspense

00:17:38.587 --> 00:17:41.018
for something we know is going to happen. Yeah.

00:17:42.063 --> 00:17:45.557
Oh man. Maybe they just, maybe this is where the DQ for him comes through.

00:17:45.557 --> 00:17:48.877
Yeah. They're like, Hey, we saw that you bit him. So you're also fucking gonzo.

00:17:48.877 --> 00:17:51.737
So they look like they're walking back. Oh wait. So maybe he thinks,

00:17:52.057 --> 00:17:55.737
maybe he thinks at this point, like maybe they're breaking. Oh,

00:17:56.057 --> 00:17:58.997
maybe they told him, Hey, you're, we're actually not going to DQ you.

00:17:58.997 --> 00:18:00.778
We looked back at the footage. Okay.

00:18:01.437 --> 00:18:07.167
Okay, so this is where, because you said you saw a submission finish,

00:18:07.167 --> 00:18:13.347
right? Well, I thought I did. I thought when he went to that rear triangle,

00:18:13.347 --> 00:18:16.237
you saw like the rear choke. Let's see what's going to happen here.

00:18:16.877 --> 00:18:20.445
This is good because we clearly have no clue what's actually taking place today.

00:18:20.707 --> 00:18:24.857
Well, yeah, we only know the, we saw the brawl, we saw the bite,

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and we knew that they both get DQ'd.

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00:19:00.438 --> 00:19:03.642
We know they brawl. We know this happens. We know they both get DQ'd.

00:19:04.919 --> 00:19:09.534
I guess they're starting it back up. They're also like, what's kind of crazy

00:19:09.534 --> 00:19:14.494
though, there's a little bit of like hodgepodge going on with all these referees.

00:19:14.494 --> 00:19:18.125
They have a shit ton of referees at this thing. And they're really,

00:19:20.128 --> 00:19:25.104
they're on high alert now since there has been a fight at this point.

00:19:26.304 --> 00:19:33.524
Altercations. Yeah, there has been a level of altercation beyond the rules of the sport, right?

00:19:35.610 --> 00:19:39.054
And so they're definitely on high alert. I think they're actually just posted

00:19:39.054 --> 00:19:43.220
up refs by the coaches at this point. Good idea.

00:19:44.124 --> 00:19:48.464
They know shit's about to go down. That's kind of what it seems like, right?

00:19:48.924 --> 00:19:54.544
They have a feeling that this very well could escalate. Seems like the room is feeling that too.

00:19:54.944 --> 00:19:58.604
And we know it does. We know it does. Just to be like. It will.

00:19:58.964 --> 00:20:01.261
But there's about three minutes left.

00:20:02.857 --> 00:20:08.884
Dorian's winning at this point. He's up 3-0 because they'd already entered the points round.

00:20:08.884 --> 00:20:15.014
Right. And to be clear for the people listening, to put a bow on all the live,

00:20:15.014 --> 00:20:21.134
he's semi-live musings that we were talking about, the match had stopped at the bite point.

00:20:21.134 --> 00:20:24.944
And initially, Dorian got DQ'd. And then he appealed to be like,

00:20:24.944 --> 00:20:27.024
hey, look, I didn't just slap him for no reason.

00:20:27.349 --> 00:20:30.724
And then they actually chose to resume the match. So like, what do you think

00:20:30.724 --> 00:20:32.264
that was? Like four or five minutes of pausing?

00:20:33.193 --> 00:20:36.204
It was pretty, yeah. A couple minutes. It was a few minutes.

00:20:36.204 --> 00:20:37.872
You may have submitted them.

00:20:38.138 --> 00:20:40.904
But anyways, a couple minutes to stop and then they're actually resuming the

00:20:40.904 --> 00:20:45.494
match after all of that, by the way, to your point. Which, good use of head

00:20:45.494 --> 00:20:47.954
table review, I will point out. Sure.

00:20:48.834 --> 00:20:51.014
In hindsight, maybe they could have just made a call and be like,

00:20:51.434 --> 00:20:54.654
no, there's going to be a fucking melee. Looking back, they might as well.

00:20:54.654 --> 00:20:56.585
But you are right. Oh, good move.

00:20:57.274 --> 00:20:59.882
That's my move right there. Break that shit. Oh, wrist lock too.

00:21:00.231 --> 00:21:02.402
I do like the way that Oliver is.

00:21:02.524 --> 00:21:05.204
I think he's coming out hot dude he's probably a little pissed from all that

00:21:05.204 --> 00:21:07.804
he's like i'm gonna fucking come after this guy i got a little break he's like

00:21:07.804 --> 00:21:11.264
no i'm gonna get my win now uh that is actually an interesting point too it's

00:21:11.264 --> 00:21:13.314
like now you've just given these guys a rest too,

00:21:14.054 --> 00:21:17.117
yep nice like half uh half time um,

00:21:17.794 --> 00:21:20.784
this was what i was telling you about by the way ah this is what you saw this

00:21:20.784 --> 00:21:24.404
is i was confused i didn't i didn't back mount oh there's the cover this is

00:21:24.404 --> 00:21:28.734
what i like about the way he fights i like that he does these little like dirty

00:21:28.734 --> 00:21:32.294
tricks the wrist slots the mouth The smothers. I like this stuff.

00:21:32.394 --> 00:21:34.594
So he yanks in the seat. The finger grabbing.

00:21:35.174 --> 00:21:38.120
Yeah. See, this dude's looking. He's doing it again. There it is.

00:21:38.335 --> 00:21:41.812
He taps. All right. But yeah, so he, oh, I think he's holding his ribs.

00:21:42.230 --> 00:21:44.774
Maybe that's, who knows, whatever. It doesn't matter. But so like,

00:21:44.774 --> 00:21:46.444
that guy's been doing little things.

00:21:46.444 --> 00:21:52.804
It's worth stating that, yes, Dorian's opponent, Kapushov, when he was getting

00:21:52.804 --> 00:21:56.724
submitted, tried to like pull on, he's like attacking, this stuff is illegal.

00:21:56.724 --> 00:21:58.634
He's like cranking on Dorian's fingers.

00:21:59.054 --> 00:22:02.459
I mean, he is. Single digit manipulation. He's kind of making this a dirty fight,

00:22:03.115 --> 00:22:05.048
in a couple different opportunities. He's...

00:22:05.367 --> 00:22:07.594
All right, so we know that this is where it's going to happen in,

00:22:07.594 --> 00:22:10.134
like, just a few seconds here. You think we've been wrong before.

00:22:10.734 --> 00:22:14.034
Yeah, I mean... But, yeah, so now that the fight has actually ended,

00:22:14.034 --> 00:22:15.868
Dorian submits the other guy...

00:22:17.122 --> 00:22:20.485
Things are about to heat up. Well, so now it's definitely like we know what's

00:22:20.485 --> 00:22:24.698
about to happen. Yeah, here we go. So he's with this dad. How does it happen? How does it happen?

00:22:25.945 --> 00:22:28.625
The cowboy hat guy with the popcorn probably got the best seat in town for this

00:22:28.625 --> 00:22:30.601
fight. A little further up.

00:22:31.699 --> 00:22:36.395
Oh, my. Are we going to actually see it? Because I know that dude right there.

00:22:36.395 --> 00:22:40.598
He does. Here it is. Here it is. Oh, it was an audience member.

00:22:41.590 --> 00:22:45.365
Yeah, I'm not surprised. Oh. This is actually decent footage. Oh, my.

00:22:45.725 --> 00:22:50.595
So they he he went after someone in the crowd someone in the crowd said something

00:22:50.595 --> 00:22:53.535
and then he no no the crowd people came after him dude i mean no but i mean

00:22:53.535 --> 00:22:56.374
like it looked like someone in the crowd said something,

00:22:56.821 --> 00:23:01.305
and oliveros is like what the fuck did you say is what it looks like i don't

00:23:01.325 --> 00:23:04.555
know if he said that but that's what it looks like and then he gets rushed by

00:23:04.555 --> 00:23:06.225
the crowd he's out of the fight now

00:23:06.655 --> 00:23:10.125
just gordon and some other dude gordon's definitely back on the juice by the

00:23:10.125 --> 00:23:13.755
way he looks huge he's very big right now and he's got the old and he's got

00:23:13.755 --> 00:23:17.087
the santa hair right now too um.

00:23:18.829 --> 00:23:23.986
Yeah. Well, and there are weekends over after this. Yep. So actually,

00:23:23.986 --> 00:23:26.416
that guy wasn't even involved. Which one?

00:23:27.156 --> 00:23:30.526
The white sweatshirt? The Kazakhstan guy. You mean the opponent?

00:23:30.526 --> 00:23:33.436
Yeah, the opponent wasn't in that. No, no, no, no. He didn't. Yeah, no, no, no.

00:23:34.116 --> 00:23:37.396
But he already lost. Kapushov did not get involved in the bailout.

00:23:37.396 --> 00:23:39.976
Yeah, okay. He just, his fight's over and then he...

00:23:40.276 --> 00:23:45.476
It was people in the crowd that instigated something. Yes. Rushed it.

00:23:45.536 --> 00:23:48.796
Like that dude right there in the Paris 2024 sweatshirt is the guy who rushed.

00:23:49.296 --> 00:23:52.596
He was in the crowd. He was one of them. I don't know if he was the one guy.

00:23:53.156 --> 00:23:56.496
He was the one that was just one guy. He was the one that was immediately there.

00:23:56.496 --> 00:23:59.486
That's from that angle though, by the way. You see the other angles. True.

00:23:59.857 --> 00:24:03.896
But yes, he was definitely one of them. But again, I'm actually giving him probably

00:24:03.896 --> 00:24:06.636
more credit than he deserves. He was not the only person to like.

00:24:06.636 --> 00:24:08.513
No, but we see, there it is.

00:24:08.629 --> 00:24:14.533
But we see, that's the dude that Oliveira goes under the barrier towards right before it rushes.

00:24:14.712 --> 00:24:19.216
Yes. Because he like turns back to that guy. And then that guy ends up not in the crowd.

00:24:20.116 --> 00:24:23.256
It's hard to see from this angle. It's whatever that group of people was.

00:24:23.956 --> 00:24:28.505
The initial wave of the attack, they storm in on Dorian and his dad.

00:24:29.289 --> 00:24:33.316
And then, interestingly, bro, it's kind of wild. On the other side of it,

00:24:33.316 --> 00:24:34.983
you have to watch different angles of this.

00:24:37.096 --> 00:24:40.816
It's not a coordinated attack. Well, actually, I couldn't rule out that it wasn't

00:24:40.816 --> 00:24:42.890
a coordinated attack because on the other side of it,

00:24:44.253 --> 00:24:48.078
While Dorian's getting attacked, three or four dudes bum-rushed Gordon, too.

00:24:48.378 --> 00:24:53.648
Yeah, you see the teams begin to fight as well, not just like— Well,

00:24:53.648 --> 00:24:56.082
here's the thing. There aren't teams. There's team.

00:24:56.401 --> 00:24:58.235
Yeah. That's the thing. That's worth talking about.

00:24:58.878 --> 00:25:02.712
The team was Dorian and Gordon. Yeah.

00:25:02.960 --> 00:25:05.618
And then Dorian's dad, who's like, call him a non-combatant.

00:25:05.618 --> 00:25:08.238
He was talking some shit. He did hit the referee earlier when we were watching

00:25:08.238 --> 00:25:12.568
that. Yeah, we did see that. That's a little like—so Dorian's dad's a little hot, right?

00:25:13.718 --> 00:25:19.417
And John Donahue who's like you know 50s maybe 60s like those guys are non-combatants

00:25:19.621 --> 00:25:22.598
and that's what I said because like in Gordon's video later he like actually

00:25:22.598 --> 00:25:25.318
and Dorian's video they both kind of shout out the Signs brothers who like didn't

00:25:25.318 --> 00:25:26.865
get in the melee but they were there and it kind of like,

00:25:27.318 --> 00:25:30.952
probably helped a little bit I saw them walking just as deterrent but.

00:25:32.514 --> 00:25:36.449
It's the Team Khazai guys who just rush in numbers dude

00:25:36.890 --> 00:25:41.865
so there's not teams it's one team versus like two fighting men and then like

00:25:41.976 --> 00:25:46.008
thankfully a lot of security yeah because at one point you'll see like four

00:25:46.008 --> 00:25:47.617
dudes are on gordon there's one,

00:25:48.116 --> 00:25:52.248
gordon's fighting gordon's got one guy he's pinning down while two one guy's

00:25:52.248 --> 00:25:55.458
hitting him from the side one guy's holding on to him so he's got a three-on-one

00:25:55.458 --> 00:25:58.448
going at one point and he kind of brags at the end of it he smiles and laughs

00:25:58.448 --> 00:25:59.842
he's actually got a good attitude about all of it,

00:26:00.394 --> 00:26:04.498
but because he was like i enjoyed the scrap thank you kazakhstan um and then

00:26:04.498 --> 00:26:07.378
at one point he's like talking about how he's like i did come up for two on

00:26:07.378 --> 00:26:13.420
that motherfucker too suck my dick um but yeah if you if you watch the clip from the other angles,

00:26:14.244 --> 00:26:15.725
there's three dudes on him,

00:26:16.618 --> 00:26:19.948
it might have been for him because there is like a scene where he's like on

00:26:19.948 --> 00:26:22.458
his back and they're like kicking and punching him and he kind of like wrestles

00:26:22.458 --> 00:26:27.868
up as he has to and then shortly after all of that people come in and kind of

00:26:27.868 --> 00:26:30.951
break it up but it was like basically neutral security.

00:26:32.670 --> 00:26:35.683
Just kind of trying to pull it apart. Pulling it apart because there was no,

00:26:35.683 --> 00:26:39.963
like, unit of people supporting Gordon and Dorian. It was Gordon and Dorian

00:26:39.963 --> 00:26:43.462
versus, like, Kazakhstan has a few guys competing at this, right?

00:26:43.613 --> 00:26:46.373
They certainly had a lot of guys coming from the— So, actually,

00:26:46.373 --> 00:26:48.663
to answer your question, ha-ha, yes, they do. They have, like,

00:26:48.663 --> 00:26:50.009
35 dudes on the sideline.

00:26:50.229 --> 00:26:52.393
Those guys should all be kicked out, man. I mean, yeah, they should.

00:26:52.473 --> 00:26:54.593
Fuck them, dude. But don't they have— Call me old-fashioned.

00:26:54.593 --> 00:26:59.860
Call me American. But they just, like, fucking went, like, 12 on two.

00:27:00.336 --> 00:27:03.505
But don't they also have a couple competitors? they do they do they have other

00:27:03.714 --> 00:27:06.437
now that's that's true i hope those other competitors don't get like any,

00:27:07.354 --> 00:27:10.047
that would suck for the other guys assuming those other competitors weren't

00:27:10.239 --> 00:27:14.373
fucking in the brawl yeah but if those other dudes are like shit my coach just got kicked out,

00:27:14.873 --> 00:27:17.643
i'm just trying to like build context around why there's so many of them that

00:27:17.643 --> 00:27:20.753
you know what i mean well it's a good question right it could be probably competitors

00:27:20.753 --> 00:27:21.653
maybe because they want to show

00:27:21.653 --> 00:27:25.721
up and support their heroes uh i i don't know bro but there's a lot of

00:27:25.976 --> 00:27:30.649
them but it blind yeah um they went on en masse towards Dorian.

00:27:31.485 --> 00:27:35.693
But outside of just that brawl, there's been some good matches at ADCC.

00:27:37.493 --> 00:27:42.563
We've seen some good stuff. We've seen, I mean, a couple really good matchups,

00:27:42.563 --> 00:27:45.933
some local guys moving on to the second day.

00:27:46.413 --> 00:27:48.433
Some cool shit. We haven't watched the cool matches yet. No,

00:27:48.793 --> 00:27:50.286
but... I'm certain they're very cool.

00:27:52.208 --> 00:27:57.821
I've seen a lot of clips that are pretty dope. I haven't yet to watch an entire match on its own.

00:27:58.042 --> 00:28:03.593
Super interested of course um and I will be watching probably all of them before

00:28:03.593 --> 00:28:06.459
I go to bed tonight in some capacity um,

00:28:07.603 --> 00:28:10.917
Yeah. It's bananas, dude. Yeah. Big Dan.

00:28:11.144 --> 00:28:13.561
And I mean, he might've been in the back when that was all going down a big

00:28:13.561 --> 00:28:19.071
Dan. I, it makes you wonder if Dan and Luke, if Dan and Luke were all were in

00:28:19.071 --> 00:28:23.357
the stands next to him, I wonder if those guys bum rush that same squad.

00:28:23.903 --> 00:28:27.131
I mean, they're probably chilling in the back. Gordon says on his video,

00:28:27.131 --> 00:28:30.741
and again, this is kind of, you can't really hear it, but like maybe one of

00:28:30.741 --> 00:28:32.512
the camera phones he picks up, but he says at one point.

00:28:34.831 --> 00:28:42.341
When the crowd, the assailants rushed Dorian and his dad, he's over to the others.

00:28:42.341 --> 00:28:44.811
As you can saw, he was on the other side of the room because he was actually

00:28:44.811 --> 00:28:46.472
coaching Dominic Mejia.

00:28:47.034 --> 00:28:50.591
And he says he can see out of the corner of his eyes. He re-angles his chair

00:28:50.591 --> 00:28:53.315
to look at the, like he kind of senses this is going to happen.

00:28:53.600 --> 00:28:55.272
He says he re-angles and looks at them.

00:28:55.719 --> 00:28:58.211
And then, because again, he's probably, maybe he's like 20, 30 feet away.

00:28:58.211 --> 00:29:02.951
Not too far, but not right in the mix. He's an entire mat over.

00:29:02.951 --> 00:29:06.110
So he says... I mean, he's basically next to the other coach.

00:29:06.811 --> 00:29:12.931
When they run after Dorian and Dorian's dad, and he's standing,

00:29:12.931 --> 00:29:17.343
like, whatever that distance is, let's just say 20 feet, he says he can hear,

00:29:17.830 --> 00:29:19.821
the other dudes around him go, there's Gordon.

00:29:21.351 --> 00:29:21.778
Like, they...

00:29:22.444 --> 00:29:25.166
I mean, I'm certain none of those guys would have the fucking balls to run after

00:29:25.166 --> 00:29:29.584
Gordon one-on-one. So a three-on-one probably. But they like were intense.

00:29:29.776 --> 00:29:33.346
They might just be badass dudes at like group fighting or it was coordinated,

00:29:33.700 --> 00:29:37.653
whatever. Either way, they were like, there he is. We're going to rush him too.

00:29:38.089 --> 00:29:40.096
It wasn't Gordon running in and picking the fight. It was like,

00:29:40.096 --> 00:29:43.874
I mean, I'm sure he was going to run in and defend his boys, but they ran at him.

00:29:44.025 --> 00:29:48.706
One, one, uh, here's my one questioning of that is. Question.

00:29:48.706 --> 00:29:51.751
I actually don't know. Do you really think they would be speaking in English?

00:29:52.546 --> 00:29:56.066
To coordinate their attack on Gordon. Gordon's the name. True.

00:29:56.066 --> 00:29:58.816
He might just heard Gordon. Got it. He heard him say Gordon.

00:29:58.816 --> 00:30:01.146
He didn't hear them say, there he is, you know, red team go.

00:30:01.146 --> 00:30:04.956
Go get Gordon. Yeah, no, but like, I was like, there's no way.

00:30:04.956 --> 00:30:08.966
But also, let's say you, whatever the cause was for the attack,

00:30:08.966 --> 00:30:11.596
dude, like, it actually makes sense to him, like, take out the big one,

00:30:11.596 --> 00:30:15.256
too. Yeah, I mean. Who's on the wing? Who's going to run at them?

00:30:15.256 --> 00:30:17.696
I'd be, for better or worse, if I were them, I'd probably be like,

00:30:17.696 --> 00:30:19.104
yeah, well, you might as well get them now, too.

00:30:19.342 --> 00:30:23.366
Well, there's also from like, Like, hey, we can't just rush these guys without

00:30:23.366 --> 00:30:29.252
acknowledging the fact that he has a teammate right here who we want to just go there.

00:30:29.803 --> 00:30:33.226
Don't try to split. It's not a bad little group fighting tactic to be like,

00:30:33.226 --> 00:30:37.136
all right, well, that dude could— Like, imagine that big unit if Gordon picked

00:30:37.136 --> 00:30:40.856
up some speed and ran in on that. Like, it's actually a sick move on their part

00:30:40.856 --> 00:30:43.766
to be like, intercept the reinforcements.

00:30:44.266 --> 00:30:48.376
Let's get in between him. Oh, dude, that's a bummer for Pixley.

00:30:48.376 --> 00:30:51.002
He like dropped right back on that heel hook and missed it.

00:30:51.269 --> 00:30:55.228
Whiffed on the leg and fell into a fucking ankle lock. That sucks.

00:30:55.768 --> 00:30:59.918
Sorry, that was a derail. I just saw that. We did about 40 minutes on the fight.

00:31:00.586 --> 00:31:06.649
30 um we started at 150 didn't we yeah but it's 30 minutes what the fuck happened,

00:31:07.289 --> 00:31:12.910
well we paused um yeah but i wasn't 10 minutes no i don't know whatever uh but

00:31:13.153 --> 00:31:15.009
either way yes don't do it.

00:31:15.783 --> 00:31:19.569
Yeah don't do it don't stuff's wild fight each other if you're gonna do it do

00:31:19.569 --> 00:31:24.129
it in a foreign country yeah yeah they do it uh do it at a match.

00:31:24.949 --> 00:31:27.859
That's true if you're gonna do it at one of these probably like if you're not

00:31:27.859 --> 00:31:31.849
gonna get prosecuted yeah exactly exactly there's like a certain understanding

00:31:31.849 --> 00:31:33.449
they're kind of all like all right yeah,

00:31:34.669 --> 00:31:37.869
yeah your boys were fighting each other like hey now that it's over,

00:31:38.723 --> 00:31:43.719
just know you're they treat this like international waters laws don't apply

00:31:43.719 --> 00:31:49.179
here uh but if you do this outside of the building then you're in police jurisdiction

00:31:49.179 --> 00:31:51.419
so yeah yeah that That seems reasonable.

00:31:51.419 --> 00:31:57.359
Yeah. Like, I guess if you're going to have rivalry scraps, do it in between

00:31:57.359 --> 00:31:58.079
matches in an ADCC tournament.

00:31:58.189 --> 00:32:00.489
They're rivals now, right? Like, I didn't know they were rivals.

00:32:00.489 --> 00:32:03.551
That's kind of, yeah. I'll tell you one thing. The whole thing was kind of fun.

00:32:04.033 --> 00:32:07.329
Yeah. It's very entertaining to be in the United States and watching it.

00:32:07.709 --> 00:32:12.746
Sometimes it makes you wonder, like, if they're, like, really pressing this on. You know what I mean?

00:32:13.649 --> 00:32:16.429
You know, that's interesting, right? Because it seems like they,

00:32:16.809 --> 00:32:20.149
it's sort of like they, I know they love the controversy because it like,

00:32:20.149 --> 00:32:22.028
so like, dude, it's engaging.

00:32:22.284 --> 00:32:25.479
Like they, I watched so many clips of it. They TQ them. And then like you have

00:32:25.479 --> 00:32:28.109
Mo calling into the, he's like, no, no, no.

00:32:28.869 --> 00:32:30.929
Boost it. Boost it. No, bring Dorian back.

00:32:32.349 --> 00:32:35.699
No, no, no. No, I know that they're probably going to fight afterwards,

00:32:35.699 --> 00:32:39.909
but like. Let it rip. We want them to fight afterwards. I heard he wasn't doing this one. Views, bro.

00:32:40.369 --> 00:32:44.589
Mo's not doing this one. I mean, he said the last one was his final one,

00:32:44.589 --> 00:32:48.029
right? initially but see I didn't know that it was news to me I found out last

00:32:48.029 --> 00:32:50.385
night but yeah I didn't know that,

00:32:51.081 --> 00:32:54.303
But then he keeps getting brought up surrounding this, so I don't know.

00:32:54.303 --> 00:32:56.923
Maybe he's coming back. Maybe he's in a different capacity or something.

00:32:57.263 --> 00:33:02.616
Yeah, maybe he's just not the main dude. He's a board member. Could be.

00:33:03.051 --> 00:33:06.323
A consultant, maybe. Yeah.

00:33:07.596 --> 00:33:14.847
Okay. They're really holding these. The refs are waiting a little deep on those taps, too.

00:33:15.247 --> 00:33:17.763
A few of these that we've seen. This is slow-mo, by the way.

00:33:17.763 --> 00:33:20.523
It is slow-mo. Yes. But yeah.

00:33:21.969 --> 00:33:26.254
But yeah, I mean, don't bite people. Don't do it. Don't slap people.

00:33:26.753 --> 00:33:30.943
I mean, I get it, but also just don't. Yeah. A lot of that probably would have

00:33:30.943 --> 00:33:33.462
been better if he didn't slap them.

00:33:33.850 --> 00:33:37.874
Yeah. I mean, easy to say at this point, but... For sure.

00:33:39.145 --> 00:33:41.763
Don't headbutt people, and then don't fight after the match.

00:33:41.763 --> 00:33:45.623
But if you are going to fight after the match, make sure it's still at the tournament.

00:33:46.863 --> 00:33:50.863
Yeah. And make it worth it, because you're all getting DQ'd.

00:33:50.863 --> 00:33:53.826
So, you know, make sure that fight's really worth it.

00:33:55.417 --> 00:33:58.963
Yeah, and I mean, as a result of that, like other competitors get brought back,

00:33:58.963 --> 00:34:00.373
Owen Jones gets brought back into the mix.

00:34:00.523 --> 00:34:03.773
Yeah, that is what kind of sucks. Is it just he fucked up the results of the

00:34:03.773 --> 00:34:06.403
tournament? Like I had Dorian as kind of like, I thought he was the favorite

00:34:06.403 --> 00:34:11.078
for that bracket. He was. He looks so fucking like dangerous. He's doing so good.

00:34:11.467 --> 00:34:14.428
It's kind of a bummer that he got dragged into that fucking situation.

00:34:15.243 --> 00:34:18.973
But, you know, man, I guess at the same time, like I was texting with Christian,

00:34:18.973 --> 00:34:20.645
I was kind of having like, I was joking about it. I was like,

00:34:21.011 --> 00:34:24.113
you either decide to go, if you're ADCC, I'm like, I feel like you either just

00:34:24.113 --> 00:34:26.769
go lean in to be like, we're wild as fuck. Yeah, this is how we roll.

00:34:27.954 --> 00:34:31.677
Let people be, it's like, you either be fully wild as fuck or you be professional

00:34:31.677 --> 00:34:33.438
as fuck. But the in-between.

00:34:33.850 --> 00:34:37.627
Well, yeah, that's the issue. That's the issue. There's a lot of inconsistencies,

00:34:37.627 --> 00:34:41.948
right? Like, sometimes they DQ people for throwing people on the concrete. Sometimes they don't.

00:34:42.244 --> 00:34:44.557
Sometimes they stop it before it goes out of bounds. Sometimes they don't.

00:34:44.557 --> 00:34:47.357
And it's just like, you just have to decide, right? Yeah.

00:34:47.457 --> 00:34:51.407
Like, if you're not going to have, if you're not going to acknowledge out of

00:34:51.407 --> 00:34:54.177
bounds, then never acknowledge out of bounds, right?

00:34:54.837 --> 00:34:59.387
But if you start acknowledging out of bounds sometimes, then you have this weird

00:34:59.387 --> 00:35:03.797
thing where people don't know whether they're safe or they're not safe when they go off the mat.

00:35:04.537 --> 00:35:09.701
And to your point, even the decision to resume the action after that stop,

00:35:09.940 --> 00:35:15.837
which I think it's just tough because it looked like the referee went like that and DQ'd.

00:35:16.577 --> 00:35:19.000
And they walked away. They left.

00:35:19.877 --> 00:35:22.415
And then because they're like, yeah, it's not really fair. that other guy did

00:35:22.640 --> 00:35:25.917
it's it's almost like they maybe should just call the double dq right at that

00:35:25.917 --> 00:35:28.687
moment instead of being like bring it back and like you said they're like stoked

00:35:28.687 --> 00:35:30.897
the flames a little bit that situation,

00:35:31.510 --> 00:35:36.049
boiled up even more um well and what's really weird is,

00:35:36.850 --> 00:35:42.577
but neither competitor was really involved in the in the actual brawling they

00:35:42.577 --> 00:35:45.907
both dorian was dorian very much was you couldn't see in this you need to watch

00:35:45.907 --> 00:35:47.777
the angles later well and to his credit,

00:35:48.277 --> 00:35:50.757
They knock over his dad, so I don't blame him for being like,

00:35:50.757 --> 00:35:52.512
I'm going in on someone until someone stops me.

00:35:53.477 --> 00:35:57.037
You'll see the video. Everyone's talking about the Gordon side of things,

00:35:57.037 --> 00:36:01.587
because that was kind of crazy. But the Dorian side's the biggest part of the

00:36:01.587 --> 00:36:04.186
brawl. Dorian's in the heat of it.

00:36:04.505 --> 00:36:08.906
He bulldozes in on whoever it was that instigated near him and his dad.

00:36:09.225 --> 00:36:10.984
Respect Dorian for protecting his dad.

00:36:12.714 --> 00:36:17.166
Vass, and to their credit, they did kind of stop that one pretty quick.

00:36:18.097 --> 00:36:23.470
But he was involved, to be clear. So actually, do you think that if...

00:36:24.759 --> 00:36:28.311
It wasn't quote-unquote members of the audience?

00:36:28.630 --> 00:36:33.581
Do you think if it was just corner versus corner in the competitors involved?

00:36:33.581 --> 00:36:37.302
I don't think it would have happened. But do you think that they would have DQ'd them for that?

00:36:37.558 --> 00:36:39.961
Or do you think they DQ'd them because it was audience members?

00:36:40.501 --> 00:36:43.001
Theoretically, right? Like it's theoretically members of the audience.

00:36:43.141 --> 00:36:44.001
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Good question, man.

00:36:44.481 --> 00:36:51.021
I mean, we might never know, but. Well, I think they DQ'd them because it was,

00:36:52.024 --> 00:36:55.048
athlete versus athlete behavior. Ultimately, I think that DQ came down to that.

00:36:56.070 --> 00:36:57.103
Well, actually, to your point.

00:37:00.209 --> 00:37:04.772
Yeah, I mean, look, Dorian, here's the thing. They initially DQ'd Dorian because of the slap.

00:37:05.277 --> 00:37:11.889
Yes. And they initially didn't do anything to Kapushov because they didn't see the finger bite.

00:37:12.492 --> 00:37:17.702
Now, interestingly, after they watched the tape, they chose to penalize neither

00:37:17.702 --> 00:37:19.962
of them, if you think about that. Yeah, which is weird. I mean,

00:37:19.962 --> 00:37:21.812
I agree they shouldn't. That's exactly what I'm saying. Yeah.

00:37:22.172 --> 00:37:24.886
If you're going to double DQ, you might as well double DQ it right off the rip.

00:37:25.228 --> 00:37:29.232
Because, like, did they release, like, an actual statement on the double DQ?

00:37:29.532 --> 00:37:32.216
Don't know yet but they but they i'm sure they will at some point um,

00:37:33.012 --> 00:37:38.622
well i'll pull it up all right all right um i i it's it is bizarre decision

00:37:38.622 --> 00:37:41.432
making granted maybe it's easy for us to say because we've never run an adcc

00:37:41.432 --> 00:37:44.198
to like have all these thoughts and shit but yeah bro like,

00:37:44.935 --> 00:37:49.532
it by the time i guess to answer your question oh they also received a one-year

00:37:49.532 --> 00:37:53.212
suspension well it's not gonna be an adcc for two years well i mean it just

00:37:53.212 --> 00:37:55.172
means they can't do any I understand.

00:37:55.172 --> 00:37:59.552
So that means that next, the next cycle, they can't do the first,

00:38:00.166 --> 00:38:01.872
they can't do the first trial. Yeah.

00:38:02.232 --> 00:38:04.992
So they can't do any trials next year. They need to restore a little bit of

00:38:04.992 --> 00:38:07.762
credibility after that because that was a little bit messy, but at the same

00:38:07.762 --> 00:38:10.384
time, very exciting. Like, give them some credit.

00:38:11.650 --> 00:38:14.802
I do think, you know, it's interesting, bro. It's actually, if they erased...

00:38:14.952 --> 00:38:21.612
Oh, and Olivares' dad receives a two-year suspension for shoving officials.

00:38:22.072 --> 00:38:25.412
That I actually support. Yes. That I support. That makes sense to me.

00:38:25.412 --> 00:38:28.639
That I support, because he definitely shoved the referee, and he should not have done that.

00:38:28.900 --> 00:38:33.282
Like, to your point, I get them being mad at each other, but that really wasn't

00:38:33.282 --> 00:38:36.266
it. You're right. It was the crowd that kind of spazzed in.

00:38:36.522 --> 00:38:41.502
There may have been some yapping between Shepikov's coaches.

00:38:41.502 --> 00:38:43.494
I actually couldn't tell.

00:38:43.784 --> 00:38:46.448
I just did see the referees rush—or the—sorry—,

00:38:47.226 --> 00:38:50.082
the dudes in the crowd, the fans rush in.

00:38:52.010 --> 00:38:54.681
Yeah, dude. I mean, when it gets so chaotic like that, dude,

00:38:54.681 --> 00:38:59.045
I think, yeah, the double DQ, it just makes sense.

00:39:01.131 --> 00:39:05.131
Oh, his dad threw a water bottle at somebody. He did. Well, he used it like

00:39:05.131 --> 00:39:06.865
a fucking, he did, he did.

00:39:07.033 --> 00:39:10.131
Now, I will say, that was after the fucking brawl had begun.

00:39:10.131 --> 00:39:12.901
It wasn't like he started the fight bashing people with a fucking water bottle.

00:39:12.901 --> 00:39:16.701
Yeah. And again, maybe don't do that. Maybe we keep the hand fighting to just hand fighting.

00:39:16.701 --> 00:39:20.931
But like i guess he doesn't let's let's not forget his son is still over there

00:39:20.931 --> 00:39:25.541
too that's his kid yeah it is right like like true imagine 20 year old henry

00:39:25.541 --> 00:39:30.221
and you're like uh sorry i'm gonna and it's like a it's still like a 12 on two then,

00:39:31.012 --> 00:39:34.061
from what he sees he can't even see gordon so he sees it's like him and his

00:39:34.061 --> 00:39:37.711
kid so you're right that doesn't that doesn't mean you shouldn't get punished

00:39:37.711 --> 00:39:41.341
yeah in my opinion but i also don't know that we should like necessarily judge

00:39:41.341 --> 00:39:43.069
that guy for being like yo you all have been,

00:39:44.166 --> 00:39:47.441
escalating this shit against my kid for the last 20 minutes he probably did

00:39:47.441 --> 00:39:50.281
act inappropriate when he shoved the even for sure he did don't shove the referee

00:39:50.281 --> 00:39:53.059
especially when the referee's just trying to do their job to keep the peace,

00:39:54.040 --> 00:39:56.671
i actually don't blame him for trying to blast him with the water bottle yeah

00:39:57.111 --> 00:40:00.815
that's after the fact at that point if we're gonna get into group melee like

00:40:01.250 --> 00:40:02.771
like i said might as well win it like.

00:40:04.082 --> 00:40:07.142
At that point, this was an ADCC. It's sort of like, I don't know.

00:40:07.142 --> 00:40:08.612
I'm just kind of talking to my ass a little bit.

00:40:08.972 --> 00:40:12.592
I mean, it's getting a little bit. Yeah. No, I think the pun people,

00:40:12.592 --> 00:40:14.206
everyone made fucking mistakes.

00:40:14.339 --> 00:40:17.172
Everyone just gets punished. Yeah. I mean, it's also just easier that way.

00:40:17.912 --> 00:40:20.512
It really is cleaner. They really should have just done it from the get go,

00:40:20.512 --> 00:40:22.832
though. It should have never. Now that we're hindsighting it.

00:40:23.232 --> 00:40:26.105
I agree. They shouldn't have. They shouldn't have brought him back up.

00:40:26.372 --> 00:40:29.762
Like brought the bike back out to start it over at that point.

00:40:29.762 --> 00:40:33.712
Like, yeah, they really like you had the push. You had the bite. You had the slap.

00:40:34.692 --> 00:40:39.126
And you had the headbutt you had two escalations from both sides just,

00:40:39.706 --> 00:40:42.162
just get them both out of there I think it comes from a good place I think they're

00:40:42.162 --> 00:40:45.822
like alright well maybe we can still have like a sport here maybe we can actually

00:40:45.822 --> 00:40:49.842
finish the match maybe we've cooled it off I get why they would it's just like it's a,

00:40:50.557 --> 00:40:56.202
Tough call in the moment. I think once you feel like, when you restart the match

00:40:56.202 --> 00:40:59.282
and you feel like you need to have a mediator in the middle to prevent them

00:40:59.282 --> 00:41:02.562
from fighting before the match starts up, I think at that point,

00:41:02.562 --> 00:41:03.484
you should be like, you know what?

00:41:03.885 --> 00:41:05.702
I don't think this is going to end well. Let's just get them.

00:41:06.042 --> 00:41:07.699
They're both done. A hundred percent.

00:41:07.838 --> 00:41:10.502
I mean, I think that's just what you have to do. I think those are the good

00:41:10.502 --> 00:41:12.042
takeaways. You're right about that.

00:41:12.862 --> 00:41:14.792
I'm just trying to give them the benefit of the doubt that I'm like,

00:41:14.792 --> 00:41:16.402
all right, well, it is also ADCC.

00:41:16.402 --> 00:41:19.082
Maybe they're like, do we want to, we don't want to do a double DQ.

00:41:19.082 --> 00:41:20.732
Let's see if we can get a match out of this.

00:41:20.732 --> 00:41:26.992
I also understand that aspect of it, but then just end up, like you ended up having to do it anyways.

00:41:26.992 --> 00:41:31.372
You're right. And I know you create, I mean, I understand that buzz gets created.

00:41:31.372 --> 00:41:36.872
You just, you just created a nice little like reason for people to watch ADCC

00:41:36.872 --> 00:41:38.702
because they're already watching because they like this shit.

00:41:39.362 --> 00:41:41.502
They already kind of like, no, no, no, they like a little bit of a lie.

00:41:41.762 --> 00:41:44.622
Make no mistake about it. I bet views go up tomorrow. Oh, hell yeah.

00:41:45.482 --> 00:41:48.663
Or replays of today. That's going to be good for them.

00:41:48.814 --> 00:41:52.382
Well, it's just going to get more people to tune in for the sake that they know

00:41:52.682 --> 00:41:55.482
that it might potentially. Well, maybe we should say Flow Grappling is going

00:41:55.482 --> 00:41:57.602
to be the real winner out of all this. This is true. Flow Grappling.

00:41:57.602 --> 00:42:02.062
Yo, that's actually called in. It was Flow like, yo, you need to run this still.

00:42:03.142 --> 00:42:06.882
Yeah. No, no, no, I don't got, we need the views, bro. Big Flow money.

00:42:07.302 --> 00:42:12.072
People are spending about $100 a year to watch this. Let's give them the show.

00:42:12.072 --> 00:42:14.919
Let's just give them the show. And yeah, I mean.

00:42:16.033 --> 00:42:19.834
And that's another thing, prioritizing views over athlete safety as well.

00:42:20.664 --> 00:42:24.538
That's another aspect of it. You're right. It's not, like I said.

00:42:24.538 --> 00:42:26.918
It's all bad. Pick between chaos or professionalism.

00:42:27.478 --> 00:42:30.608
You just have to decide, yeah, like you're saying there. Some of these guys

00:42:30.608 --> 00:42:33.128
might not. I think at the end of the day, they kind of know what they're signing

00:42:33.128 --> 00:42:36.041
up for too. They know it's going to be a little bit like rough around the edges.

00:42:36.638 --> 00:42:39.338
And there's something, I will say there is a cachet to it.

00:42:39.338 --> 00:42:44.968
And ADCC gold medal is still, even with the new players in the game like UFC,

00:42:44.968 --> 00:42:50.308
BJJ, The ADCC still carries more weight. And the UFC has time to kind of change

00:42:50.308 --> 00:42:53.538
that. But, like, the ADCC champion is still the fucking champion for Nogi.

00:42:53.858 --> 00:42:58.391
So that's, to give him credit, it's still working. Now, how much longer will that last?

00:42:58.930 --> 00:43:04.638
Who knows? But it's still working. It's the process of getting there.

00:43:04.638 --> 00:43:07.115
Like, the fact that, like.

00:43:07.371 --> 00:43:12.137
Who did Tazza lose? I mean, some of these dudes do get, I mean, Lil' Jacob's a beast.

00:43:12.433 --> 00:43:16.478
He's not that little either. but I like his fuck you tattoo on his leg.

00:43:16.478 --> 00:43:20.748
I tell you what I don't like is that crazy chinstrap beard though.

00:43:20.748 --> 00:43:23.920
Yeah, it's a, well, you know, trying to channel his Dagestani.

00:43:24.435 --> 00:43:28.168
Oh, is he a Dagestani guy? No, he's from Daisy Fresh. That's what I thought.

00:43:28.168 --> 00:43:31.298
I thought it was so good. Yeah, no, I just. To be fair to like the hillbillies,

00:43:31.298 --> 00:43:33.178
they've been on that chinstrap shit for a while too.

00:43:33.298 --> 00:43:36.748
Yeah, it's, you know. And his, and to give him credit, that is a distinctly

00:43:36.748 --> 00:43:39.778
American white trash version of it versus, because that's different.

00:43:39.778 --> 00:43:41.113
Well, with the soul patch too.

00:43:41.287 --> 00:43:43.758
Oh, did he have a soul patch? I believe so. Oh, well, that changes everything.

00:43:44.058 --> 00:43:47.258
He's got the soul patch and the... My bad, bro. It's separated, though.

00:43:47.898 --> 00:43:51.078
Oh, yes. No, no, it looked actually manicured. It looked like he...

00:43:51.558 --> 00:43:52.671
Oh, does Johnny win here?

00:43:53.558 --> 00:43:56.668
Well, you can think of it like the... I'm pulling for him today a little bit,

00:43:56.668 --> 00:44:00.201
I think. You can think of it like the jorts in It's Always Sunny.

00:44:00.508 --> 00:44:03.988
What's white trash about this? Right, yeah, yeah. What's so white trash about

00:44:03.988 --> 00:44:06.658
this? Can you see? Have you seen how... I can go farther.

00:44:07.098 --> 00:44:10.738
It's definitely so white trash, but it's not the trashiest of white trash,

00:44:10.738 --> 00:44:13.811
to be fair to the bro. It gets worse, for sure.

00:44:14.340 --> 00:44:15.570
Yeah, man, I mean, it's a...

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It's a whole thing. I'm sure there'll be more conversations about this throughout

00:44:19.879 --> 00:44:24.001
the, I mean, heck, probably even the rest of the year regarding sportsmanship

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and, you know, just decide. I mean, it's just what it is.

00:44:31.442 --> 00:44:35.024
There were shit like that going on just at Masters Worlds. Andre looking yoked

00:44:35.297 --> 00:44:37.479
out, as always, beef unit.

00:44:39.052 --> 00:44:43.453
But I think there were even brawls at Masters Worlds.

00:44:44.061 --> 00:44:48.131
Were there? I think so. I didn't see anybody. but I'm not saying there was a

00:44:48.131 --> 00:44:51.251
lot of people there. Yeah, it might have been on the Jiu-Jitsu con side.

00:44:51.251 --> 00:44:54.451
Who knows? And there was a couple days of it, so it's entirely possible that

00:44:54.451 --> 00:44:58.342
I just missed it. But that's actually worth calling out too, to be fair.

00:44:58.557 --> 00:45:04.581
It's not just ADCC. It isn't just ADCC, but those dudes do.

00:45:05.381 --> 00:45:07.261
They don't bring them back out afterwards. Yeah.

00:45:08.101 --> 00:45:11.571
But there is definitely... Tensions get really high in the...

00:45:11.661 --> 00:45:16.281
In martial arts tournaments. and again like when you break it down back into

00:45:16.281 --> 00:45:19.901
what it is we're doing it kind of does make sense like people you care about

00:45:20.226 --> 00:45:23.421
teammates are out there like fighting it's even though it's control.

00:45:25.851 --> 00:45:30.791
It's combat sport so like you're in that like even though it can be quite organized

00:45:30.791 --> 00:45:36.283
and professional which you know 9 out of 10 times it is that is inherently a higher octane,

00:45:37.165 --> 00:45:40.831
thing people get in fights in baseball and football dude oh yeah so it's like

00:45:40.831 --> 00:45:43.731
this just in basketball like this type of shit just kind of like oh look at

00:45:43.731 --> 00:45:46.557
this throwback to joel tudor sick um,

00:45:47.393 --> 00:45:50.331
this stuff just these are these are like high intensity environments where like

00:45:50.696 --> 00:45:53.401
a dude you care about just got his finger bit or a dude you care about just

00:45:53.401 --> 00:45:54.388
got his face smacked like,

00:45:55.439 --> 00:46:00.831
Yeah, it's not that weird to consider someone just taking that next little bit

00:46:00.831 --> 00:46:08.071
of gas and just pouring it on the fire. Yeah, and I mean, that's a Hodrigan

00:46:08.071 --> 00:46:09.348
Madero's black belt right there.

00:46:10.652 --> 00:46:15.531
And in a lot of the cases, Jaffe Mendez, in a lot of the cases too with some

00:46:15.531 --> 00:46:20.694
of those ones at IBJJF, it ends up uh,

00:46:21.495 --> 00:46:27.061
it ends up harming the athlete even though they weren't involved in it at all it'll be like,

00:46:27.701 --> 00:46:33.451
a a coach fight in the black belt coaching section and then their athletes get

00:46:33.451 --> 00:46:36.850
dequeued and so like even from a,

00:46:37.518 --> 00:46:40.371
yeah there's shit you shouldn't do as an athlete from a sportsmanship standpoint

00:46:40.371 --> 00:46:42.910
but like dude just let your,

00:46:43.514 --> 00:46:47.841
don't don't get in shit on the sidelines and ruin it for your athlete who's

00:46:47.841 --> 00:46:51.661
put in a lot of work to be there like don't let don't let your own ego as a

00:46:51.661 --> 00:46:55.981
coach get in the way of things either that is definitely a call out yeah,

00:46:56.661 --> 00:47:01.721
yeah you're right it fucked over two dudes um granted it kind of started with Dorian and,

00:47:02.401 --> 00:47:06.261
Shabakov off the rip they did start in this case it was initiated by the athletes,

00:47:06.921 --> 00:47:11.441
but it got escalated in a way where they both got fucked out it got escalated by the teams,

00:47:12.521 --> 00:47:16.281
the people on the sidelines and all that so you know you gotta But, uh...

00:47:17.686 --> 00:47:22.035
I don't know. Keep a cool head. Don't be jackasses. Just go out there,

00:47:22.035 --> 00:47:24.955
compete, then move on with your lives. Right.

00:47:25.795 --> 00:47:28.255
I don't know. No, no, no. That is, that's the answer. I mean,

00:47:28.255 --> 00:47:32.345
I know that like, it's a, it's a big old trophy on the line.

00:47:32.345 --> 00:47:36.295
You put a lot into it. Right. Like, no, yeah, yeah.

00:47:36.295 --> 00:47:40.055
It's about, I think. Yeah, it's about like the prestige is, the prestige is

00:47:40.055 --> 00:47:44.335
legit. And I understand that. And like, it's very easy to get like tied up in

00:47:44.335 --> 00:47:47.977
that. Yeah. You both, you both had a chance to like win an advance.

00:47:48.191 --> 00:47:50.515
One of them technically did until he didn't, but you're right.

00:47:50.955 --> 00:47:54.685
The decorum off the mat ended up fucking two good athletes out of a chance to

00:47:54.685 --> 00:48:02.335
win and get your title. Yeah. Now you're both unable to go further and yeah. It just, yeah.

00:48:02.895 --> 00:48:05.473
Don't be that way. I don't know what else to say about that.

00:48:05.745 --> 00:48:06.998
That's it. That's all we gotta say.

00:48:07.131 --> 00:48:10.975
This has been Fire is Drinking Coffee. You can just call that a combat confession

00:48:10.975 --> 00:48:14.395
in and of itself. Call that one last long-ass combat confession. Yeah.

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Yeah, guys. Thanks for listening. We love you. We'll talk to you soon. Bye.

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