Bringing the Blue Belt Energy: Jonah Hill, Ego, and Jiu-Jitsu Culture (episode 77)

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Welcome back to Fighters Drinking Coffee and with a combined 40 years of grappling

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experience, we are your hosts.

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I am Scott Dance. And I'm Michael Sutherland and we are here to help streamline

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your jiu-jitsu, make your training a little bit easier and a little bit better.

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It's nice to be back on the mic. So, Scott, have you seen the Jonah Hill interview?

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It's been, I think it's been like a week or two since he did it,

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but did you see it, the one with the Booth brothers?

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I saw a bunch of, I haven't seen the interview. I've seen like the clip of him

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saying he'll annihilate people, and that's like, and then like a myriad reactions

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to it online, but I have not actually seen the interview. How did it come up?

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How was, why did that become a topic of conversation?

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So they asked him about his jiu-jitsu. Like, you know, they mentioned,

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they briefly discussed, it was a very short part of the interview.

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But they briefly, like, talked about how he's doing jiu-jitsu because he's been

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pretty open about the fact that he's training.

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And it started with, do you think that you could,

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take everyone in this room which the which i think is important context all

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right because the people in the room are jason bateman and will arnett okay

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and he says oh absolutely okay and then he gets into the thing about you know,

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everyone sees me as the anyone who sees me as the fat kid from super bad i would

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annihilate you you know like it leads into that,

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yeah i think that's reasonable escalation.

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I also think it's reasonable that for people to believe they could beat up Jason

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Bateman and Will Arnett.

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Yeah. Probably, but he had a bit of a nerd spaz where he was like,

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I'm so tough. Don't take me.

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Don't treat me like a fat guy. It started out with the like you know,

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can you beat up everyone in this room? They just did that. Yeah,

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he didn't like unprompted be like, I could beat up fucking everyone. Right.

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They asked him if. It didn't take a lot of time. You think you can take me, bro? Yeah.

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They gave him like a typical kind of like a weird dude response to that type

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of thing. And then he, he, he marred me and I'm just kind of like,

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he definitely puffed his chest and then took it a little extreme,

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huh? Yeah. Well, and like.

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He said he could annihilate. Who did they say he would annihilate though? The people.

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In the room. The people. Oh, the people who think he's fat. The people who think

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he's, who still think of him as the fat kid from Superbad. Okay.

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That's who he would annihilate. Got it. but also like.

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Especially those of you who listen to the show, you heard our story about our friend AJ.

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That's literally exactly how that situation started was the guy said he could

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take him. This is like common.

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This is how these things happen. This is how the white belts and blue belts

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of the world escalate things. You know, they're challenged and they feel like

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they must defend their jujitsu honor. Yeah.

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They haven't yet learned that their power is. Yeah, like how to,

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they haven't learned that like, oh no, like I could beat you up,

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but I'm not, I don't need to, I don't need to prove myself.

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They don't yet have that level of confidence because they're,

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you know, there's still a little.

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Like angsties, like teenager stuff. Yeah, they've got, they're a little arrogant.

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You know, they think they're, they think they're more capable than they are.

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They're probably going to get more, get themselves into more trouble than they should, you know.

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Yeah, they haven't quite, they haven't quite figured out how to.

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They haven't matured beyond that. But they're still in a level of immaturity

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with their confidence. So, you know, so...

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All that said, I kind of wanted to talk about, like, arrogance versus confidence,

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or I think we'll refer to it as blue belt energy in this episode, right?

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Like, and I say that because, right, like, at white belt, you kind of expect,

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to be beaten down and, you know, you know you're the bottom of the totem pole.

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But as guys get to, like, blue belt, they start to think that they are,

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they know things and they're getting better. but then ultimately the kid gloves

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come off and you realize that you're still just at the bottom of the totem pole.

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Yeah, question for you. Do you know anything about, I mean, I wouldn't expect

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you to know this, but I'm just curious.

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Like, do you know if Jonah, I mean, he's a movie star. Like,

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I bet he's probably doing private lessons.

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He's doing private lessons. I saw he's training.

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He was, so, I actually know someone who used to train with him in New York.

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So he was doing classes at a gym in New York. I think he's also training.

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If I saw correctly I think he's training with Kenny Florian and he's doing private

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lessons yeah so he's training with Kenny Florian in LA and I assume doing private

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lessons with people I mean they have weird schedules sometimes yeah but he has

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a really weird schedule but yeah no,

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I just I imagine some of that like type of stuff could get worked out you need

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to be like around a group of dudes to like work out some of that shit too I think that helps I mean,

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if you're not he's got like movie star angst I did hear like the guy that I

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know who did go to the same gym as him in New York said he did do actual classes.

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So he was going to classes. It's not like he was just doing private.

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He's not Derek Moneyberg in it. Right. Or he's not doing like the.

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I forget who it is, but he's not doing like the celebrity only classes that

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I think, is that Machado or someone else? I'm not sure, but that sounds like

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something, that sounds, that checks out. Yeah.

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Which like. Celebrity only classes. Yeah. There's like celebrities.

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There's like, there's one guy who. Kind of a good idea.

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Yeah. And he teaches almost all of this. He's the coach for almost all the celebrities.

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Machado. Yeah. It's Machado. And I assume. Jean-Jacques Machado.

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Maybe there's a class that they all go to. I don't like, you know, like they do.

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Or they just all do privates. It's also possible, but I know that there's- Maybe

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you got tired of doing privates for like 15 different celebrities.

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Just you guys could all come to a class. I know why you all want some exclusivity.

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You all pay me the same amount that you were paying for privates, so.

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Sure. Whatever. But yeah, I mean, you know, then you can say you're trained with other people.

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There's a set rule of like, they make money with their faces.

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Don't beat our faces up. Right. Like, I understand why they do that.

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Like, it's a very reasonable thing. A celebrity class?

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Well, no. like why celebrities don't necessarily train with,

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the normal people. Yeah, yeah. You know, like, your face makes you money.

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Like, you need to, I understand why you don't want to live roll with random

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dudes who just fired up the tattoo. Yeah, like, you know what I mean? Like, I get it.

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Well, did you see Tom Hardy? I think Tom Hardy's teaching classes.

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Yeah, so he, I mean, he's like a... A brown belt or something, isn't he?

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Yeah, but he also, I think his stock goes up the more beat up his face is.

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He's a tough guy. He plays a tough guy role. so for him it's this increases

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he just seems like he's really actually like into it him and mario lopez yeah

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mario lopez competes at world i mean he won a world title i think yeah he just won,

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whatever was it at brown or did he get promoted on the podium i don't know i

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think i thought it was like purple blood or something but i don't know he got

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promoted on the podium okay i think he's a brown belt now,

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well he's clearly in the in the mix with the with everybody yeah i mean they're

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so there's different types of you know different folks celebrities want to do

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like different things and shit um,

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i was just asking just i feel like some of that like,

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you know i don't know i'm not in jonah hill's head but uh i guess he's upset

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with people considering him which i think is fair he he has so like to kind of,

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also give a little bit on that like,

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he's been pretty open worked pretty hard to not be the fat guy like he lost

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a shit ton of weight So, like, I actually completely, I'm on his side with that

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energy of, like, dude, don't call me the fucking fat guy.

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Like, he's worked hard for it. He dealt with a lot of shit for it. So, like, I understand.

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I mean, he was really fat. Yeah. But, like, I also understand, like.

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If I may, um.

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I mean, he was like, I don't, this is like from, it's always sunny.

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It's like, he was the funny fat guy in a lot of movies and TV shows and stuff

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for a long time. And you know, nothing wrong with, I mean, I love the funny fat guy.

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Yeah. For me personally, you don't have to be fat to be funny.

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I don't think it makes, I could kind of see that in the, it's always sunny lens.

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If I throw those lenses on, put my sunny hat on.

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Um i get the funny fat guy like persona but like you don't have to be fat to

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be funny those guys aren't fat and they're all very funny um so i don't know if like,

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maybe jonah has like i mean it sounds like he has like a bit of an identity

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crisis thing that he's kind of like working out publicly um had that spaz moment

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on the interview with the the the bluth guys um,

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and so yeah i don't know if he's changed i don't know if uh.

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Becoming less fat is going to impact his job opportunities i doubt it he's still

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a funny guy since he lost a lot of weight he still had a pretty decent number

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of roles and stuff i haven't seen him anything in a while i think like the but

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maybe i just haven't been paying attention to what he's working on yeah i mean

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it's just different stuff i mean you know,

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he's even being he's allowed to evolve and do different shit but of course he's

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still doing funny movies i think it's just like he's still doing comedy what's

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he doing what's he doing that's funny um i just don't know yeah,

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i i just know he's been in movies i'd have to do it i just know he's been acting

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he's working that's good he's he doesn't have to be fat he can still be funny

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yeah he can still be not funny if he wants if he wants to try to like pull up,

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i don't know robin williams or whatever and do like some drama shit too whatever

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do what you got to do man but same way he had he had a he had a,

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kid moment and kind of lost it on tv yeah which you know big deal he's still

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a fucking human i i was i mean i i,

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posted about that on uh instagram and like one person was like yeah but he didn't

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have to like act that way i'm like well,

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and this is going back to the like being challenged at a party thing right like.

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His platform was pretty proportionate given his high profile.

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Okay. Relatively proportionate to the house party, right? Oh, sure.

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With his general reach. I think that kind of works. It's a little different,

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actually. The group of people, the number of people he's used to.

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To be fair to Jonah for what it's worth, he had his moment and he let it out

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and no problem. Who cares?

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Different than the house party. Yeah. Different than the house party where he beat a guy up.

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He didn't fight a dude. dude he just said his shit and moved on right yeah yeah

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um which is funny but i get what you're saying yes it's it's a similar like

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instigation it's a similar instigation and like i'd say proportionate to the

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number of people who know who he is,

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he probably said that to the same number of people or in front of the same number

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of people as oh a guy scale of a yeah like you're to scale like your your circle

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right yeah true true true so you know it's a proportionate reach I see what you're saying.

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Like, it's like a dude saying at a house party, I could beat all of you up.

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True. It's the same thing, right?

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Fair enough. Like, proportional scale. Although he said, like,

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anyone who thinks I'm a fat guy, I'd annihilate you. Like, what if,

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like, Jon Jones thinks you're the fat guy from Superbad?

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Yeah, just give him some cocaine. Can't beat him up. Give him some cocaine.

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He'll destroy himself. I think Jones is better on cocaine. Well, you know. Debatably.

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No one has to annihilate Jon Jones. Jon Jones will annihilate himself.

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He hasn't annihilated himself yet. so but nonetheless I get what you're saying in recent times,

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he's embarrassed himself a few times but like you know and he seems to take it like a champ,

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like the champ um but I get what you're saying yeah,

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I don't think he's gonna take out all the guys who no no I think he's a fat

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guy from but I but to your point for sure yeah you know he he handled in the

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room he maybe got a little frustrated

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big deal he's like I'm not the fat guy I can kick all your asses,

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fine yeah well and like.

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All I'm saying, to defend, because, I don't know.

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You leapt to protect his honor? To defend him. I like Jonah Hill.

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I like him. I like him. He's entertained me many times. I'm glad he's doing

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jujitsu. I'm glad he's lost weight. Like, good for him. He can't beat me up. That's okay.

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Can't beat you up, but, like, he can't beat us. But we don't really give a shit

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about that. I didn't feel personally attacked. Yeah, me neither.

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You know, like, you know, shit. But to your root point here,

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like, and I suspect some of the reactions you got from people who are like,

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yeah, but why do you do that? Like, you're still getting that blue blood energy.

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A little bit yeah he still has that blue belt energy the crabs in the bucket

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other people who are like he's not tougher than me like i don't like this like

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they all respond they're doing the exact same thing that he did right like all

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those dudes who immediately jump on jonah hill like fuck you bro you can't beat

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me up i can beat you up you can't beat me up you can't beat up everybody jonah

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hill yeah yeah you're doing,

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it's the exact same thing he did it's the exact same reaction you're just coming

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at it from another side like you literally had the exact same visceral reaction

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that he had on the podcast in the comments in the comments yeah,

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and yeah that's right you didn't even say it to a person's face that's actually

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a really good point in the comments you're saying this from a keyboard behind

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his screen he at least said it to a human being yeah on a public podcast yeah like well and,

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two two dudes yeah and i guess the room yeah and whoever else producers he's

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like all you guys i'll get all you yeah he said i could beat up everyone in

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this room uh so you know in a way that was a little more ballsy than the dudes

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who were commenting on it. So, you know,

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So there's that. There's a little bit of that. So fuck all y'all.

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Let them talk. They can talk. Let them talk. Let them all talk.

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Let Jonah talk. Let the commenters talk.

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Yeah. I mean, I guess, right? Yeah.

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But, you know, so in that little bit of blue belt energy, there's a little bit

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of that, like, toxicity that is kind of getting worse because of how we've talked about, like.

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Popularity. popularity of jiu-jitsu so like how like ingrained in social media

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it's becoming too like how much public high school not even high school like

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middle school silliness yeah and you know you have a lot of that going on and um,

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and so yeah like it's just a fucking,

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do you think let me ask you a question about that,

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um do you think as,

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The whole thing, like, we've talked about this before. It's,

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like, kind of, like, a hierarchical status designed to an extent.

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It's not, like, the purpose isn't to have people, like, get into,

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like, weird little middle school status battles.

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But it's a byproduct, I think, of, like, it's hierarchical in nature.

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And, like, people get status from, like, doing it. And so some of the commenters,

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maybe they're, like, whatever.

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There's, like, an exclusivity, I

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suppose, to even just doing jiu-jitsu consistently, which is pretty cool.

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And like, you know, you can like, we've talked about this too.

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It's like, you know, like, conduct yourself with a little bit of like,

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you know, decorum as a result, but do you think they're threatened by like the broadening of the pool?

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And they're like, oh no, more people are going to be white belts and blue belts

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and therefore my status is being watered down. You think there's anything like that involved?

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Yeah, actually. I'm just curious. Now we're like ranting about the what you're

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calling the blue belt, what do we call it? The blue belt? Oh, blue belt energy?

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Blue belt energy.

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Yeah, I actually, My blue belt means less if more people do this.

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So I've been thinking, oh, I've thought a decent amount about that because like.

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Well, because you're involved in the internet. I'm involved in the internet.

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You see the comments and you're like, I'll comment too. Oh, dude,

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I love it. You're having fun with it, dude.

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I'm having a lot of fun trolling on the internet. You can see the tides of war

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of the internet, like, you know, commentary. Gary, I almost exclusively comment

00:15:51.269 --> 00:15:54.099
on Blue Belt posts now. That's awesome. It's really fun.

00:15:54.779 --> 00:15:58.659
I comment on more than that, but like I very much enjoy commenting on posts

00:15:58.659 --> 00:16:02.144
about Blue Belts. Nice. But yeah, I mean like,

00:16:03.195 --> 00:16:10.886
there's one kind of just, I have a lot of, I've now that I'm training, you know, re injury.

00:16:11.397 --> 00:16:14.909
Now that I'm training like a little bit less, I've way too much free time.

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So, uh, all this energy, I, I am trying to direct it to productive means.

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Uh, but you know, one of the things I was thinking about was how like,

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dude, like back when in the old days, the Nova MMA days, like, you know, like,

00:16:32.847 --> 00:16:35.923
way fewer people were doing jiu-jitsu yeah and,

00:16:36.550 --> 00:16:40.618
like getting a blue belt like really was kind of like it's a big deal like back

00:16:40.618 --> 00:16:45.368
then you know that was when like having a blue belt you probably could beat

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up most people on the street but now like,

00:16:49.198 --> 00:16:51.568
most people have most people train there's like a shit a lot more people train

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yeah like you're more like there's i mean heck there was one gym before you

00:16:55.898 --> 00:16:59.818
came over here man i ran into like five people at a coffee shop and just talked

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about jiu-jitsu yeah like there used to be like,

00:17:03.138 --> 00:17:08.288
one gym in each like at like every few towns in this area you know i mean like

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there weren't like now there's a bunch you could,

00:17:10.879 --> 00:17:14.708
you can be a lot you can live right where you are and pick a few different places

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and you can get there you know like not but back back then there was only one you know so you know it's,

00:17:21.780 --> 00:17:25.448
it stood out more it was a little bit of a different thing and now like there's

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so many gyms so many people training it's all over back then it was not over

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the internet that's true we've talked about that as well now there's like a

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big like this is like the the.

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The coming out party for, because of, you know, Instagram and other social media

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platforms, like, yeah, there's just, like, a place to present yourself as, like, I do jujitsu.

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Yeah. I think I'm cool. And, like, now a lot of gyms are being opened by black belts.

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Back then, you didn't, a lot of gyms were being opened by purple belts.

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It's true, like purple belts. Yeah. So, you know, it's just like the sport is

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growing, and so, like, because of that, you're seeing a larger portion.

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Like, now the, it used to be, like, a belt pyramid, and now it's like the base

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is getting wider right like that's that's what we're talking it's no longer like,

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a total shrinkage as it goes up like it's slowly becoming more of like a skyscraper

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and it's just like a tall building oh okay versus like a pyramid you know i

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mean i do um so we're like squaring out

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it's so those belts are a little the exclusivity which you know to the core

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of your question the gen pop the exclusivity of like,

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getting to the next belt level is it's becoming less and less because,

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more people are doing it more people are sticking with it which is a new thing

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you know like not as many people stuck with it past blue belt back then right

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it's like now you have like more of like a,

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the progression's a little different you also have a shit ton more kids doing

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it and you know so you have all these kids that are i mean i i saw the the pans,

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the pans kids like breakdown of like how many people were at each belt in the next like.

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Probably like six years, we're going to have a shit ton of blue belts,

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like automatic blue belts from kids. Yeah.

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Just from aging into it. So like, there's a very, that, the tides are kind of

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changing with that. So yeah, like the exclusivity of that blue belt is going

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down. And so like. It's being threatened. So like these, you know. Not our blue belts.

00:19:26.965 --> 00:19:29.225
Maybe they are getting a little threatened by it. Like, oh no,

00:19:29.225 --> 00:19:32.555
like my blue belt isn't as, doesn't mean as much as it used to.

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I can't beat up everyone on the street anymore.

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Or, oh, no, Jonah Hill's threatening my, my, my ego.

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He's saying he could beat me up. What am I going to do? Yeah.

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It's just, you know, whatever.

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So, yeah, I mean, that's, I think there's definitely something to that that,

00:19:52.915 --> 00:19:57.245
yeah, maybe they are, like, feeling a little bit of that, that status being

00:19:57.245 --> 00:19:58.465
threatened, like you're saying.

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Their confidence has been threatened, perhaps.

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They're like, maybe I'm not as good as I think I am.

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Which actually, that shows emotional maturity if you start to question how good you are.

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Because what kind of is the key root of that blue belt energy is kind of the

00:20:18.415 --> 00:20:21.290
arrogance point, which I know is kind of what you're leading towards.

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I think we touched on this briefly, very briefly at the end of an episode.

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I think it was the competition one. It was a couple of, it was not that long ago. Yeah.

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Maybe like two or three episodes ago, we started to talk about it,

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but we were like, no, we don't have time to, this would extend this episode by too much.

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So yeah, that like arrogance versus confidence and.

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The guys that one thing that you'll

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see, and this is stepping away from defending Jonah Hill a little bit.

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Okay. But the guys who actually know what they can do tend to not be the ones

00:21:04.510 --> 00:21:08.337
that immediately jump out and say that they can beat people up.

00:21:08.820 --> 00:21:12.420
Right. Yeah, a thousand percent. They don't immediately hop out and be like,

00:21:12.420 --> 00:21:14.180
yeah, dude, I could totally take you.

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I'm fucking calling people out in the comment section. Some Uncle Rico stuff.

00:21:18.130 --> 00:21:22.980
Yeah. I threw this football over that mountain, dude. Yeah, I threw this football over that mountain.

00:21:22.980 --> 00:21:28.390
So, you know, like, it's, like, that, immediately when you see people,

00:21:28.390 --> 00:21:32.740
like, calling people out and talking shit and all of that, like,

00:21:32.740 --> 00:21:37.953
immediately, like, my mind jumps to, like, ah, this dude doesn't really know how to do stuff. Yeah.

00:21:38.284 --> 00:21:43.010
Unless, of course, like, I've seen, you know, there's a difference when they can prove it, right?

00:21:43.010 --> 00:21:46.780
Like, you see them, some guys have the receipts and they can show it,

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especially, like, on the internet.

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Like you might see they might maybe it's a video like a highlight video of their

00:21:52.170 --> 00:21:55.000
shit alright cool like maybe this guy doesn't know what he's doing,

00:21:55.763 --> 00:22:00.020
that's a little bit different like you have the you have the results to show

00:22:00.020 --> 00:22:05.126
for to prove it but you know if you're just hopping in the comment section to,

00:22:05.608 --> 00:22:07.756
shit on people and say that you can beat them up.

00:22:09.056 --> 00:22:12.239
That's funny stuff. I immediately think, like, ah, this guy probably can't.

00:22:12.259 --> 00:22:16.999
Right. You know, like, that's, like, the kind of thing that comes with arrogance

00:22:16.999 --> 00:22:20.529
of, like, oh, well, I've been doing jiu-jitsu for two years,

00:22:20.529 --> 00:22:22.639
so I could beat up anybody.

00:22:22.639 --> 00:22:28.379
You know, like, or I beat up a random dude once in a bar fight.

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And now I think I'm, yeah, and, like, now I think I'm the shit and can beat up everyone.

00:22:34.299 --> 00:22:38.899
So you know it's just kind of like it's just like two different sides of I mean

00:22:38.899 --> 00:22:40.319
it really is two sides of the same coin,

00:22:41.668 --> 00:22:46.279
you know so blame the status hierarchy yeah blame the status hierarchy I don't

00:22:46.279 --> 00:22:50.669
know what to say how people cope with it it's how they cope with it but yeah

00:22:50.669 --> 00:22:52.227
I think to your point where like just like.

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Less is more guys like you don't need to talk as much just,

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that that's why i mean that's why i was asking about the class thing i'm like

00:23:02.174 --> 00:23:05.314
just get this guy in some classes like he'll just sort himself out naturally

00:23:05.314 --> 00:23:08.044
just needs to get in maybe he needs to lean into the hierarchy a little more

00:23:08.044 --> 00:23:10.751
like go and go be in like a little more like a,

00:23:11.470 --> 00:23:15.834
room of people and let your like let your like position just sort of like settle

00:23:15.834 --> 00:23:19.724
where it is and then just improve it get better i mean just get guys you don't

00:23:19.724 --> 00:23:22.581
need to be commenting on posts and stuff unless you're doing it and it gets you money,

00:23:23.045 --> 00:23:25.594
like if you're a fighter and like you said you have the receipts and like talking

00:23:25.594 --> 00:23:27.964
all that shit gets people to go to like buy tickets and stuff like that's,

00:23:28.504 --> 00:23:31.114
that's just the name of the game that's business watch UFC for that sometimes

00:23:31.114 --> 00:23:33.024
you need to go and sometimes you need to go and like,

00:23:33.684 --> 00:23:35.084
you need to harvest some of that

00:23:35.084 --> 00:23:37.484
stuff we're not we're talking about like regular people like just kind of,

00:23:38.068 --> 00:23:44.714
you know jibber jabber online um the guy who was insulted by whatever he saw

00:23:44.714 --> 00:23:47.134
on the internet feels like he needs to the new thing on the internet that he

00:23:47.134 --> 00:23:51.234
has to reply to just go train and get better yeah just work on that it's hard

00:23:51.234 --> 00:23:52.975
enough already you know you're,

00:23:53.637 --> 00:23:55.280
yeah it I did it.

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Yeah I see I see it with I see with black belts too I see with like you know

00:24:00.655 --> 00:24:03.544
I see with all kinds of people who like you know they're they they want to be

00:24:03.544 --> 00:24:07.998
seen they want to they want they want to feel like they're respected and,

00:24:08.526 --> 00:24:11.944
for I guess when you don't respect yourself or like there's some sort of,

00:24:12.950 --> 00:24:18.610
some need that hasn't been a respect hole my god hole my respect hole,

00:24:19.080 --> 00:24:24.564
it hasn't been filled um that does because again we're in this like it's a status

00:24:24.564 --> 00:24:28.104
hierarchy thing you know you got every level of it apparently the white and

00:24:28.104 --> 00:24:31.104
blue belt comment commenting on the internet level and then you got it in the

00:24:31.104 --> 00:24:33.904
competitor level and you got it in just like regular people level,

00:24:34.664 --> 00:24:38.714
black belt level every level like people are just yeah well you're gonna be

00:24:38.714 --> 00:24:42.252
fine your status is fine you see it with the stuff is cool but it's also like

00:24:42.531 --> 00:24:46.764
just relaxed part of life it's not the whole story I think it manifests a little

00:24:46.764 --> 00:24:48.429
bit different with black belts too um.

00:24:49.915 --> 00:24:52.034
I think you start to see like some of the,

00:24:53.259 --> 00:24:57.931
That's when you start to see like the desire to be experts in realms outside

00:24:57.931 --> 00:24:59.851
of their expertise and stuff like that.

00:24:59.851 --> 00:25:02.921
You know what I mean? Like, well, you start to see the, well,

00:25:02.921 --> 00:25:06.797
because I'm a black belt in jujitsu, let me also give you my,

00:25:07.058 --> 00:25:11.111
my take and advice on these other things that I have no, you're not qualified.

00:25:11.111 --> 00:25:13.881
I have no qualification for, you know, like whatever.

00:25:14.641 --> 00:25:17.112
Um, you know, like I, because obviously.

00:25:18.023 --> 00:25:20.121
Yeah. There's susceptible to it too. There's, there's just different.

00:25:20.361 --> 00:25:23.315
Everyone's susceptible to it. Everyone's yeah, for sure. Yeah. Yeah.

00:25:23.653 --> 00:25:26.676
Everyone's susceptible to wanting to feel like they're a big deal.

00:25:28.407 --> 00:25:32.571
We all just want to be seen. That's what it is. Everyone, yeah,

00:25:32.571 --> 00:25:35.461
we see you. We just want to be seen and feel. We love you.

00:25:36.201 --> 00:25:39.601
We want to feel loved. It's okay. Just keep training and keep paying your dues.

00:25:39.601 --> 00:25:41.318
We all want to. Keep paying your fees.

00:25:41.607 --> 00:25:44.571
I mean, heck, we're talking to all you guys on the internet because we want

00:25:44.571 --> 00:25:46.601
validation from all of you. Yeah.

00:25:47.241 --> 00:25:50.661
Not really. Yeah. But, you know, like that's. Like and subscribe.

00:25:50.661 --> 00:25:54.151
Like, subscribe, review. We need it. Well, but no, by the way,

00:25:54.151 --> 00:25:57.705
there's a difference between like wanting some like empirical data and results

00:25:57.971 --> 00:26:00.903
and like, you know, you want to build some receipts.

00:26:01.200 --> 00:26:05.401
Like if we've, hey, took us 26 minutes, we're going to talk about competition now. Yeah.

00:26:06.101 --> 00:26:08.831
That's a pretty long time for us. That actually is a long time.

00:26:08.831 --> 00:26:12.011
Maybe the longest. And I think fire streaking coffee history.

00:26:12.011 --> 00:26:14.313
I think prior to this, it took us 13.

00:26:14.429 --> 00:26:19.096
No shit. That was the closest. We've doubled our rate. We've doubled our patience to bring up.

00:26:19.321 --> 00:26:22.041
I could probably go back further and find one that took longer.

00:26:22.041 --> 00:26:24.631
I bet we've done episodes we didn't talk about at all. Since we started tracking

00:26:24.631 --> 00:26:26.414
the data, this is definitely longer. Yeah, since we started tracking the data.

00:26:27.381 --> 00:26:31.778
But, you know, if you really want to feel status in the martial art, go, go, go.

00:26:32.393 --> 00:26:37.061
Find a quest that, like, you know, requires you to, like, prove it and, like, work hard.

00:26:37.299 --> 00:26:41.103
That'll help if you, you know. I think we've talked about that before.

00:26:41.103 --> 00:26:45.883
Like, if you're the top dog in your training room, you probably need to go,

00:26:45.883 --> 00:26:48.643
like. You find a more challenging quest. You should go to it.

00:26:49.003 --> 00:26:51.123
You don't have to, like, leave your gym. No, I didn't about that either.

00:26:51.203 --> 00:26:52.613
That's not what we're selling here.

00:26:52.613 --> 00:26:57.303
But, you know, like, maybe you need to go to a different, put yourself in another

00:26:57.303 --> 00:26:59.983
environment and, like, really see if you're the top dog. Well,

00:26:59.983 --> 00:27:05.134
just challenge yourself. Sure. pop out to do an open mat somewhere else or go compete.

00:27:05.377 --> 00:27:08.379
If you don't like competing, just go to an open mat, like whatever. It doesn't matter.

00:27:08.669 --> 00:27:11.467
But obviously we're going to sell competing. That's what we like.

00:27:11.937 --> 00:27:16.819
But, you know, put yourself out there and see like, oh, am I the top dog?

00:27:17.092 --> 00:27:19.813
Maybe, maybe not. How do I hang with the guy who is the top dog?

00:27:20.683 --> 00:27:25.044
I mean, I had my arm ripped off by number one in the world, you know, and like.

00:27:25.293 --> 00:27:27.573
Yeah, you competed. Tested yourself. I tried it out. I was like,

00:27:27.573 --> 00:27:31.483
well, I wasn't number one in the world that day. No, and you're not jibber-jabbering

00:27:31.483 --> 00:27:33.043
about your status online either. No.

00:27:34.819 --> 00:27:39.803
But that's how you test it out. You go find the guy who is the top.

00:27:40.123 --> 00:27:44.043
If you want to be the top dog, you got to hop on the quest. Find that top dog.

00:27:44.743 --> 00:27:48.403
Yeah, and then, you know, interestingly. Prove it. That's funny enough.

00:27:48.403 --> 00:27:50.591
I mean, I think that's, you know, you do the hard stuff.

00:27:50.713 --> 00:27:54.863
You win some, you lose some, and that's where your real status,

00:27:55.403 --> 00:27:57.073
your real medal is tested.

00:27:57.073 --> 00:27:59.983
If you if you take this stuff seriously enough to like really want to be like

00:27:59.983 --> 00:28:03.211
seen and like take me seriously in jiu-jitsu please,

00:28:03.751 --> 00:28:07.432
um and then it kind of lashes out in like the comment section and like you know,

00:28:07.879 --> 00:28:12.523
funny other ways funny like little personal silly stuff um you should just like

00:28:12.848 --> 00:28:14.694
yeah it sounds like you have a little bit of like,

00:28:15.675 --> 00:28:20.077
you know some ambition to be looked at and seen so like go go earn it and by

00:28:20.077 --> 00:28:24.587
the earn it don't comment and complain online and by the way if you are lashing

00:28:24.587 --> 00:28:26.819
back out these people that's kind of what they want,

00:28:27.997 --> 00:28:31.897
oh yeah you know like that's the whole part like they they are intentionally

00:28:31.897 --> 00:28:33.197
you're just giving into whether

00:28:33.597 --> 00:28:40.403
they want you to comment and be well they need rageful like it helps right like

00:28:40.710 --> 00:28:43.767
yeah you're turning into like you're turning into like the mob like do you want

00:28:43.767 --> 00:28:46.717
to be like in the mob or do you want to be the guy that the mob yells at i mean if,

00:28:47.357 --> 00:28:51.508
you can pick one i guess i don't know i'd rather be the one getting yelled at,

00:28:52.198 --> 00:28:56.597
for trying something yeah you know i suppose but you know whatever to each their

00:28:56.597 --> 00:28:59.762
own but but yeah i get what you're saying that that is.

00:29:01.202 --> 00:29:07.097
Yes this is like it's like a litmus test it's like oh like you reacted to it perfect,

00:29:07.777 --> 00:29:11.437
they didn't do it to not get reaction heck yeah yeah yeah i didn't want everyone

00:29:11.437 --> 00:29:15.657
to say no one's reacting it's that then move on yeah yeah yeah the comments

00:29:15.657 --> 00:29:17.037
actually drive up the views,

00:29:17.497 --> 00:29:22.847
for sure more more interaction with the post causes more views of the post yeah

00:29:22.847 --> 00:29:26.807
yeah you fed the machine no big deal it's good glad you're there someone's got

00:29:26.807 --> 00:29:28.757
to do that too someone has to do that too yeah.

00:29:30.423 --> 00:29:35.392
Um yeah i mean blue belt energy arrogance in confidence uh,

00:29:36.826 --> 00:29:39.812
It's tough. This is the age-old dilemma of human beings.

00:29:40.312 --> 00:29:43.432
You know, like, go get some receipts, like you said.

00:29:43.600 --> 00:29:47.142
Well, and so I think another reason. Or just be chill. Or be chill.

00:29:47.142 --> 00:29:48.691
You can also just. You can also try being chill.

00:29:49.202 --> 00:29:51.442
That's a pretty nice thing, too. You can just not care about any of that stuff.

00:29:51.442 --> 00:29:53.852
That's kind of cool, too. Be like, yeah, it's all kind of just this.

00:29:54.270 --> 00:29:56.642
I'm just a work in progress on the mat. I'm just glad I'm here,

00:29:56.642 --> 00:29:59.492
man. I know plenty of dudes like that. I have a guy who messaged me every day.

00:29:59.492 --> 00:30:01.712
He's like, bro, I suck. And I'm like, well, you don't suck.

00:30:02.912 --> 00:30:05.772
You know? Yeah, just chill, dude. He's like, no, like, I just kind of like suck

00:30:05.772 --> 00:30:07.232
at this. I'm like, you don't suck at this.

00:30:08.572 --> 00:30:11.472
I know what you mean. It's a bit of, he's probably being a little self-deprecating,

00:30:11.472 --> 00:30:13.772
but there's like a healthy humility to him being like, yeah,

00:30:13.772 --> 00:30:16.472
I got so much more work to do, dude. This is cool. Let's keep doing it.

00:30:16.532 --> 00:30:18.512
Yeah, more people should be like that. That's what I'm getting at.

00:30:18.532 --> 00:30:21.122
It's like, that's like the opposite of blue ballot energy where it's like,

00:30:21.122 --> 00:30:23.852
no, like, dude, like, I need to get way better at this.

00:30:23.852 --> 00:30:26.662
And it's like, you know, I kind of appreciate that. Of course,

00:30:26.662 --> 00:30:29.922
as do I. Because I understand that that's what he's trying to say when he's

00:30:29.922 --> 00:30:32.372
telling me like that he's bad at it, right? Right. It's like,

00:30:32.372 --> 00:30:35.882
no, like you're just telling me that you feel like you need to do more work

00:30:35.882 --> 00:30:37.219
and you can be better at this.

00:30:37.532 --> 00:30:39.922
At least that's what I hear. And he's right. And he's right.

00:30:39.922 --> 00:30:42.202
And he's right. Just like any one of us has more work to do.

00:30:42.202 --> 00:30:44.243
We need to get better at this stuff for sure.

00:30:44.504 --> 00:30:47.762
It's true for all of us. Like I could get better. You can get better.

00:30:47.762 --> 00:30:49.922
We all can get better. We are saying that. I am saying that.

00:30:50.052 --> 00:30:54.552
This is the route to like, that is the whole purpose of this whole jujitsu thing.

00:30:54.994 --> 00:30:57.572
It's why we do the podcast because this makes us better too.

00:30:57.572 --> 00:30:59.632
Like talking about jujitsu makes us better.

00:31:00.294 --> 00:31:06.760
So you know it's it's part of it i think the reason that you see that so much at blue belt that like

00:31:07.120 --> 00:31:11.352
arrogance is because they have actually accomplished something accomplished

00:31:11.352 --> 00:31:15.641
something they've received a certain amount of knowledge they you,

00:31:16.146 --> 00:31:20.502
you start getting in you know we've talked about that transition right the blue

00:31:20.502 --> 00:31:22.647
belt blues we did an episode on that and like.

00:31:23.877 --> 00:31:29.682
You you've gone through that phase of learning a bunch at white belt and then

00:31:29.926 --> 00:31:33.147
kind of around the time you move up to blue belt you start being able to actually

00:31:33.147 --> 00:31:34.494
like execute some things,

00:31:35.005 --> 00:31:38.927
you start hitting stuff on people and so like now like you're better than some

00:31:38.927 --> 00:31:43.161
of the people in the training room you're able to beat people in the training room especially if.

00:31:44.438 --> 00:31:50.467
You know you have a pretty decent influx of brand new people now you're really

00:31:50.467 --> 00:31:53.927
starting to hit stuff on these brand new guys like that's like you're you know like that's

00:31:54.227 --> 00:31:57.667
you start to have the ability to do like the the proving grounds they've got

00:31:57.667 --> 00:32:04.396
a taste of power yeah like you're like oh shit i have magic jujitsu at my at my fingertips i can

00:32:04.727 --> 00:32:08.407
i can beat people with jujitsu but then they run into the four-stripe blue belt

00:32:08.407 --> 00:32:12.157
yeah the purple belt they realize oh yeah i actually have so much more shit

00:32:12.157 --> 00:32:16.267
i'm not as good as i thought but they've gotten that taste of being able to beat the dude off

00:32:16.687 --> 00:32:22.547
that walks in off the street you are right and so they're getting that like little bit of a taste of,

00:32:23.168 --> 00:32:29.637
the power yeah that like superpower that jujitsu can be i know what you mean

00:32:29.637 --> 00:32:33.807
but you know like they they get a taste for like oh like jujitsu works i can

00:32:33.807 --> 00:32:37.930
beat people with this random joe schmo walked in off the street,

00:32:38.394 --> 00:32:40.815
which by the way i probably hasn't done anything,

00:32:41.430 --> 00:32:44.083
but you know before coming in but.

00:32:45.112 --> 00:32:49.865
You know, that little taste kind of like it lights that little bit of a fire.

00:32:49.865 --> 00:32:54.678
And we always, jujitsu is sold as a way to build confidence.

00:32:54.916 --> 00:32:59.520
And that's a big part of what a jujitsu gym is selling.

00:32:59.740 --> 00:33:04.045
And so that's when it starts. Right around that time when you first get your

00:33:04.045 --> 00:33:07.015
blue belt, right? Like right after when you start being able to use jujitsu.

00:33:07.015 --> 00:33:09.965
It's the first hit of the drug of confidence. Yeah. And then they're like,

00:33:09.965 --> 00:33:13.619
there's just always chasing that first hit for a while. And they're like, man.

00:33:14.072 --> 00:33:19.335
But that that first spark isn't there it's not about the hit it's not really

00:33:19.335 --> 00:33:23.865
founded yet right like i know you haven't it's the taste of it but at this point

00:33:23.865 --> 00:33:25.902
you've tasted it in in reality

00:33:26.332 --> 00:33:30.035
you're not as good as you think yet you're just starting to get the the inkling

00:33:30.035 --> 00:33:34.395
or the feeling that you are good and that's where the arrogance comes into play is like,

00:33:35.004 --> 00:33:40.115
you really haven't proven to yourself that you're good enough to do all these

00:33:40.115 --> 00:33:46.144
things that now you think you can do so you you get that you have just enough knowledge and,

00:33:46.876 --> 00:33:53.737
ability that you think you're better than a lot of people you think and i mean heck dude,

00:33:54.255 --> 00:33:58.745
i i thought this when i was a blue belt i thought i was the shit yeah and i

00:33:58.745 --> 00:34:05.375
went got the shit kicked out of me by a like 15 year old brazilian at a fight

00:34:05.375 --> 00:34:09.015
camp and i was like oh no like i i'm i'm just okay.

00:34:10.095 --> 00:34:13.315
Um but you know like you have,

00:34:14.348 --> 00:34:18.145
that that's where it starts and a lot of time because you're in the same room

00:34:18.145 --> 00:34:21.675
you don't get that humbling moment we're like oh no like there's people who've

00:34:21.675 --> 00:34:24.215
been doing this longer and are better at this than me

00:34:24.575 --> 00:34:27.275
yeah because you know you've just been trained with the same people and that's

00:34:27.275 --> 00:34:30.425
we've talked about it too we're like you kind of figure out you almost like

00:34:30.425 --> 00:34:32.652
create like a dance and all that so.

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00:35:06.696 --> 00:35:11.549
They should do like a sociological slash psychological study on like the group,

00:35:12.681 --> 00:35:15.229
dynamics of like training rooms.

00:35:15.995 --> 00:35:18.522
Some smart person out there who like, maybe we should talk to John about that.

00:35:18.522 --> 00:35:23.062
How like people like, you know, can engineer like a proper study,

00:35:23.402 --> 00:35:27.382
psychological study, and see if they can just do one on like how people handle themselves.

00:35:27.382 --> 00:35:31.812
And like, it's a very status hierarchical organization. But I bet you like a

00:35:31.812 --> 00:35:32.975
nerd out there could figure that out.

00:35:33.544 --> 00:35:37.122
Um well they've like because it sounds to me like dude like it's i always said

00:35:37.122 --> 00:35:39.602
crabs in a bucket earlier and like you know we're pricking on blue belts you

00:35:39.602 --> 00:35:43.877
know not all the butts do this you deserve it mike likes it um.

00:35:46.902 --> 00:35:52.442
It is it's yeah it's funny um they deserve it yeah wow you're hilarious um,

00:35:54.102 --> 00:35:59.190
you know not everyone does this michael but um it it obviously happens but i

00:35:59.417 --> 00:36:04.942
what you're describing and we're not describing all blue belts who are listening to this um,

00:36:05.678 --> 00:36:09.359
but it definitely what i'm what i'm hearing is that like,

00:36:10.172 --> 00:36:14.072
you maybe some of them are just like they're in that brief moment of like you've

00:36:14.072 --> 00:36:17.942
you've acquired like the first belt and which is a big deal it's cool like you

00:36:17.942 --> 00:36:21.322
should be excited about that but then you know if you found the right healthy

00:36:21.322 --> 00:36:24.789
amount of like humility that comes with like the fact that like you are better than,

00:36:25.647 --> 00:36:30.922
mostly white belts or newer blue belts but you're probably not as good as the

00:36:30.922 --> 00:36:33.742
purple the brown and the black belts and so on and so forth.

00:36:34.929 --> 00:36:38.212
Excuse me and all the variation in those ranks too because there's all kinds

00:36:38.212 --> 00:36:41.112
of ranges of like purple belt has had a belt for like his purple belt for like

00:36:41.112 --> 00:36:44.432
12 years he's really like a freak probably like a black belt like there's all

00:36:44.432 --> 00:36:46.987
this variability in belts anyways,

00:36:47.667 --> 00:36:50.940
but like you're like you're like the you've attained the first level of status,

00:36:51.747 --> 00:36:55.772
of which there are literally more belts above you than there are belts below you.

00:36:55.772 --> 00:36:58.283
But like, they're fired up about that. So...

00:36:59.427 --> 00:37:02.099
Crabs in a bucket so they don't want to get like as long as they can like continue

00:37:02.099 --> 00:37:06.049
to beat some ass with the new people um and then not feel like that's threatened,

00:37:06.509 --> 00:37:09.684
that's that's meaningful i suppose it's sort of like maybe like a,

00:37:10.717 --> 00:37:13.959
the meaning is kind of run perhaps amok for a little bit but i would say to

00:37:13.959 --> 00:37:16.279
be honest with you man the blue belts i'm around kind of feel like handle this

00:37:16.279 --> 00:37:19.989
pretty well yeah i've met some goofball blue belts as well but i um the blue

00:37:19.989 --> 00:37:23.669
belts i'm around like the blue belts i'm friends with are all really cool michael,

00:37:24.309 --> 00:37:25.479
they all handle it pretty good,

00:37:26.549 --> 00:37:29.759
But yeah, I mean, I do also see this stuff and I get to hear it from other gyms

00:37:29.759 --> 00:37:32.259
and like, I love hearing your stories and I like hearing the comments and the

00:37:32.259 --> 00:37:35.051
stories and what the internet's, what's chirping off on the internet too. To be.

00:37:37.389 --> 00:37:38.006
To be,

00:37:39.208 --> 00:37:43.300
fair and clear though a lot of the blue belts i train with are actually pretty

00:37:43.300 --> 00:37:44.885
cool they understand they know their place,

00:37:46.310 --> 00:37:50.210
okay they know they understand the realities they also have big john to deal

00:37:50.210 --> 00:37:54.590
with so you know there's been enough humbling in that room so it's.

00:37:56.135 --> 00:38:01.782
Get them john enough of them have been smashed by yeah by white belts that are

00:38:02.200 --> 00:38:06.650
you know athletes and stuff to understand it's a good thing man it's a good

00:38:06.650 --> 00:38:10.118
thing dude it's like we've talked about this before like the belt is for you

00:38:10.304 --> 00:38:13.206
yeah the belt's for you it means something to you and

00:38:13.607 --> 00:38:17.410
you know like to the extent that you can try your best to not compare yourself

00:38:17.410 --> 00:38:19.232
to other people in that regard

00:38:19.656 --> 00:38:24.080
the better because that's where this stuff comes from i guess i think um it's

00:38:24.080 --> 00:38:26.410
like people wanting to compare themselves and be like i think i'm above that

00:38:26.410 --> 00:38:28.793
motherfucker i should be above him treat me like i'm above him,

00:38:29.420 --> 00:38:34.490
status stuff um and like i guess being obsessed over that um and like if you

00:38:34.490 --> 00:38:37.080
care about that like and if you know like i said if you care about like rankings

00:38:37.080 --> 00:38:38.430
and shit, which I kind of like rankings too.

00:38:38.430 --> 00:38:40.620
Like I showed you those like yellow things, the jujitsu stuff.

00:38:40.620 --> 00:38:42.736
I like that stuff. I think it's like go fight for it.

00:38:42.852 --> 00:38:45.860
I like data too. I like numbers. I like scoreboards. I like ranking systems.

00:38:45.860 --> 00:38:48.610
I actually really enjoy that shit. Data is important. It's like,

00:38:48.610 --> 00:38:50.740
you know, I'm not going to let it like hurt my feelings. I, you know,

00:38:50.740 --> 00:38:53.340
I haven't competed in a couple of months and some dude, you know,

00:38:53.340 --> 00:38:56.732
went above me in the rankings. I'm now 13th instead of 12th in my division.

00:38:57.370 --> 00:39:01.710
Well, I am pissed. I'm a little pissed. I'm not pissed at him. I'm pissed at myself.

00:39:02.070 --> 00:39:04.230
I'm like, I haven't competed in a couple of months. That's what I fucking get.

00:39:04.230 --> 00:39:06.660
I guess I just sat and some other dude probably went and just like,

00:39:06.660 --> 00:39:08.109
I don't know what he did. Fuck him.

00:39:09.250 --> 00:39:11.480
I don't know. He probably, I don't even know if he won. He may have just showed

00:39:11.480 --> 00:39:12.890
up at a tournament and got a belt, but I could have done that.

00:39:12.890 --> 00:39:13.850
He went and got his free gold.

00:39:14.330 --> 00:39:17.340
Yeah, or he beat someone's ass. Good for him. I mean, dude, it could be our

00:39:17.340 --> 00:39:20.510
buddy Josh in Chicago. He's been on the fucking... I have to look.

00:39:21.110 --> 00:39:24.740
Maybe he got ranked up for that Frontier fight. He should get something.

00:39:24.740 --> 00:39:25.970
I think they hooked him up on Frontier.

00:39:26.390 --> 00:39:29.330
He definitely got some status points in that. He got some miles.

00:39:29.330 --> 00:39:31.172
They should upgrade him to free...

00:39:31.920 --> 00:39:35.047
Free first class. He definitely deserves it.

00:39:35.387 --> 00:39:39.057
We're jumping, we're jumping a little bit, but we just, we just jumped,

00:39:39.057 --> 00:39:42.737
we just jumped pop culture references. But the flights have statuses.

00:39:42.737 --> 00:39:47.094
They literally have first class. They have business class, you know, preferred whatever.

00:39:48.227 --> 00:39:50.707
Yeah. But anyways, I'm saying like, there's nothing wrong with like,

00:39:50.707 --> 00:39:53.507
liking some of that, like the metrics and the data and the rankings and shit

00:39:53.507 --> 00:39:56.177
like that. Just like, you know, like, if you really care about it,

00:39:56.177 --> 00:39:57.307
like go fucking fight for it.

00:39:57.327 --> 00:40:00.237
You don't have to like, cry about it online. But that's the important part though,

00:40:00.237 --> 00:40:04.153
right? Like, you know, Having the data is important. And like,

00:40:05.607 --> 00:40:09.319
if you're just throwing shit out there to throw shit out there.

00:40:11.202 --> 00:40:15.814
Yeah, well, some people want to be big fish in small ponds and then,

00:40:15.814 --> 00:40:19.282
like, really flaunt that. And I actually see it weekly.

00:40:20.264 --> 00:40:22.794
Some people that I know, and it's like, it just, you know, people do that.

00:40:22.794 --> 00:40:25.244
Like, it's like, whatever. It's not the game we're playing.

00:40:26.782 --> 00:40:29.604
But, and it's silly stuff, but that's, this is what, this is,

00:40:30.124 --> 00:40:32.044
we're just complaining about people now. Yeah.

00:40:32.724 --> 00:40:36.954
Which is fine. People suck. No, people don't suck. People are just people.

00:40:36.954 --> 00:40:39.884
People can be goofballs. We've been goofballs. Oh, yeah, no.

00:40:39.884 --> 00:40:42.094
We've been dumbass. It's definitely been a dumbass goofball.

00:40:42.184 --> 00:40:44.054
And in five years, we're going to look back and we're going to listen to these

00:40:44.054 --> 00:40:47.484
episodes and we're like, fuck, we suck, dude. But we're so much cooler now.

00:40:48.557 --> 00:40:51.644
But that's the idea, isn't it? Every couple of years, you should look back and

00:40:51.644 --> 00:40:55.574
because you're trying to do something data-driven and worthy of a challenge,

00:40:55.574 --> 00:40:58.764
you should hopefully look back and be like, man, I was a knucklehead back then.

00:40:59.384 --> 00:41:02.314
Look at me now, I'm awesome. And then five years after that,

00:41:02.314 --> 00:41:05.448
you'll be like, I was also a dumbass. Well, when we went to relaunch this,

00:41:06.344 --> 00:41:10.034
we had that exact thought of like, dude, we were- We can't do what we did last

00:41:10.034 --> 00:41:12.844
time. I was like, bro, we were a mess last time we did this.

00:41:13.144 --> 00:41:15.364
It's actually surprising that anybody listened. I know.

00:41:15.844 --> 00:41:19.391
You know? A lot of people listened to it. That was the funny thing. But yes, you're right.

00:41:19.745 --> 00:41:24.304
Yeah. Yeah, we tried to improve on our- Yeah, we tried to be better versions of ourselves.

00:41:24.804 --> 00:41:27.174
We've listened to old episodes and we've laughed at them, but there are times

00:41:27.174 --> 00:41:28.766
I'm like, fuck, I can't believe I said that.

00:41:29.644 --> 00:41:33.932
We have a- A lot of times. We have a nice running joke now that our old-

00:41:34.606 --> 00:41:38.070
Our old podcast was not data-driven. Be like, yeah, some dude said something

00:41:38.070 --> 00:41:40.210
one time. Whatever. Moving on.

00:41:41.330 --> 00:41:44.890
Well, that wasn't the before times. That was the wild west of the podcast scene.

00:41:44.890 --> 00:41:48.600
Like, weren't a lot of podcasts back then. The internet wasn't as powerful.

00:41:48.600 --> 00:41:52.130
You couldn't find anything you wanted in two seconds. That's right.

00:41:52.130 --> 00:41:53.900
That's right. That's right. We'd have to, like, type.

00:41:54.050 --> 00:41:57.380
We'd have to actually scroll. We got away with saying some insane,

00:41:57.380 --> 00:42:00.770
unhinged shit, which was probably really fun at the time. It was really fun.

00:42:00.890 --> 00:42:02.319
It was fun at the time. It was fun.

00:42:02.830 --> 00:42:05.810
But the point being yeah we look back and we gotta do better than that bro we,

00:42:06.470 --> 00:42:10.590
gotta be better I think we can and it shouldn't be hard we can we can do better

00:42:10.590 --> 00:42:15.060
than that and so you know as we said like it's a quest we're gonna keep everyone

00:42:15.060 --> 00:42:16.220
should be trying to improve everyone

00:42:16.220 --> 00:42:20.069
should just be trying to improve give yourself a break don't you know,

00:42:20.661 --> 00:42:24.130
balance taking it seriously and wanting to win and be really good at it and like

00:42:24.490 --> 00:42:27.950
I try to be the best at it that's really cool but if you want to be the best

00:42:27.950 --> 00:42:30.450
at something it's like you just have to you have to like look at yourself and

00:42:30.450 --> 00:42:33.850
be like what do I need to improve on to be the best you aren't already the best

00:42:33.850 --> 00:42:35.795
i promise if you're listening to this you're not the,

00:42:36.364 --> 00:42:39.370
best especially if you just got your blue belt thousand percent you're not the

00:42:39.370 --> 00:42:42.540
best you are not the best and you're probably not the best blue belt and by

00:42:42.540 --> 00:42:44.665
the way not a problem that's okay,

00:42:45.124 --> 00:42:47.520
because you should just worry about trying to get better yourself so that you

00:42:47.520 --> 00:42:52.367
can it's like it's what thomas jefferson said it's with the pursuit of happiness michael

00:42:52.715 --> 00:42:57.550
we are entitled to the labor not the fruit but we are allowed to at least pursue

00:42:57.550 --> 00:43:01.301
the fruit and maybe you'll get the fruit and you bite it and because you got so good at like.

00:43:01.992 --> 00:43:03.830
You know trying to improve yourself you take a bite of that fruit and you're

00:43:03.830 --> 00:43:05.213
like wow this tastes really good but i need more

00:43:05.631 --> 00:43:08.570
i'm not satisfied with it anymore i gotta do that because i'm a guy who climbs

00:43:08.570 --> 00:43:12.820
now i'm a guy who climbs and improves and like you know well whatever you get

00:43:12.820 --> 00:43:16.410
the idea i get the idea i like it thank you i like i like throwing in a quote

00:43:16.410 --> 00:43:19.662
that's nice yeah dude um yeah man i mean.

00:43:20.392 --> 00:43:24.495
Ultimately, we've all been there, right? Blue belt energy, it's a normal,

00:43:24.955 --> 00:43:27.135
it happens. You'll grow out of it. It's a normal thing, yeah.

00:43:27.135 --> 00:43:28.995
I actually told a bunch of blue belts this morning who I was training with.

00:43:28.995 --> 00:43:32.085
I was like, you guys are like the, you're getting out of adolescence and the

00:43:32.085 --> 00:43:34.005
age. Like, you're like, not middle-aged.

00:43:34.504 --> 00:43:37.035
It's not, it'd probably be like purple belt to brown belt, maybe black belt.

00:43:37.035 --> 00:43:40.295
But like, you guys are like teenagers in jujitsu. Yeah.

00:43:40.595 --> 00:43:43.215
It's pretty cool. I'm glad that you're here. We've got time to go.

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The arrogance and the angst is like a normal part of the process.

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And they weren't, to be fair, they weren't behaving like that. They're great.

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They're like great I got great teenagers Michael I've got great teenage kids.

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They're awesome they don't party they don't they don't and they trained at 7am

00:43:57.915 --> 00:44:01.635
this morning they're awesome but like I was gotta tell them you guys are like you know,

00:44:02.215 --> 00:44:06.367
you got so many years ahead of you this is great this is a time to improve shit like,

00:44:06.878 --> 00:44:10.065
make the fucking mistakes hope I don't sound like a cool dad who's like yeah

00:44:10.065 --> 00:44:13.905
man I remember like giving him alcohol and shit yeah if you if you drink just

00:44:13.905 --> 00:44:17.555
make sure you let me know yeah yeah I'm not that guy just make sure you let

00:44:17.555 --> 00:44:20.145
me know so I can just give me a call if you need a ride home.

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You're allowed to like fucking get beat up. Like I made him do a King of the

00:44:22.715 --> 00:44:25.425
Hill thing where I choked every one of them for like eight minutes straight,

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dude. I'm like, it's okay. Like I'm supposed, it'd be weird if I didn't choke

00:44:28.185 --> 00:44:30.915
you. You're supposed to lose to me. It's okay. This is normal.

00:44:30.915 --> 00:44:33.528
But like one day you'll choke my fucking ass, but not today.

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But like, but like so fucking who cares? No problem. Make a mistake.

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Figure it out. Like do the thing.

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Do the thing wrong. Keep doing it wrong until you figure it out.

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Yeah. Like dude, that's what's up. You're supposed, you're at Blue Belt.

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But you're supposed to suck. Yeah, it's okay. It's okay. It's okay to not be

00:44:51.855 --> 00:44:53.176
the best at something. That's right.

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We will openly admit that we're, well, we even have proof that we're not the

00:44:57.555 --> 00:44:59.509
best at things. We've been before. Yeah.

00:44:59.799 --> 00:45:04.115
You know, so like, it's perfectly fine. And you can still be not the best at

00:45:04.115 --> 00:45:08.333
something and know the things you know, and that's cool too. It is. Yeah.

00:45:08.927 --> 00:45:11.686
Yeah, we've all been there. We've all been blue belts. Everyone's been a blue

00:45:11.686 --> 00:45:14.035
belt that, well, except for white belts, but.

00:45:14.407 --> 00:45:18.016
Yeah, and everyone else. They don't count anyways. Oh, no, dude.

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You're just like, you know what you are, dude? You like, you climb to the top

00:45:21.616 --> 00:45:23.336
of the ladder and then you fucking kick it down.

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That's what you do. You just get up there and you're like, fuck this ladder.

00:45:26.156 --> 00:45:29.206
Like, sucks, pussies. Kicked it down. You said, kiss my ass.

00:45:29.206 --> 00:45:32.556
I think I've been torn down by wrestling coaches too much and that's just how

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my life is now. That's awesome.

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But yeah, I mean, so, you know, it's normal.

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Just. And be self, have like the self-awareness to realize when you do and don't know things.

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Obviously, I'm trolling and joking when I'm shitting on white belts and blue belts.

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It's part of the journey. Everyone's is different.

00:45:56.966 --> 00:46:02.428
Free Jonah Hill. He's fine, dude. He's going to be all right. It's not that big a deal.

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He probably stopped. If it wasn't for the internet, he probably hadn't even

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thought about it since then.

00:46:06.772 --> 00:46:09.462
Oh, dude, I guarantee you. Maybe his coach brought it up. Maybe Kenny Florian

00:46:09.462 --> 00:46:11.212
was like, what the fuck was that?

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Honestly, if I was that successful and had that much money and fame,

00:46:19.172 --> 00:46:21.974
I wouldn't give a shit. Yeah, I hope he doesn't.

00:46:22.188 --> 00:46:25.132
Honestly, dude, I'd be dropping comments like that left and right.

00:46:25.752 --> 00:46:29.683
I don't give a shit at all. I'm sure he doesn't. He really shouldn't. I mean, whatever.

00:46:32.032 --> 00:46:37.172
I'm on the record as being pro his stuff for all the world to see,

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should they desire to see it.

00:46:39.081 --> 00:46:41.763
But he's got some good movies. Dude's funny.

00:46:42.712 --> 00:46:47.412
Go watch Superbad. I like Superbad. Honestly, he wasn't even that fat in Superbad. No.

00:46:47.752 --> 00:46:50.622
He's kind of fat. He was fatter and way fatter in other movies.

00:46:50.622 --> 00:46:51.592
Yeah, there you go. Whatever.

00:46:52.012 --> 00:46:54.932
He lost the weight. If you're going to think of him as Fat Jonah Hill,

00:46:54.932 --> 00:47:01.082
go watch like War Dogs or Wolf of Wall Street. Way fatter in that than he is

00:47:01.082 --> 00:47:04.395
in Superbad. Two awesome movies too. He still made great art.

00:47:04.529 --> 00:47:06.578
Yeah. Even if he was fat. Great movies.

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He's a good dude. Those are good ones too, man. I like that you dropped those.

00:47:11.082 --> 00:47:13.672
Yeah. And he's hilarious in both of them.

00:47:14.229 --> 00:47:17.672
War Dogs isn't really a comedy, but it still has funny. It's kind of a comedy. It's kind of a comedy.

00:47:17.672 --> 00:47:21.472
It's it's based it's it's actually very similarly like one of those based on

00:47:21.472 --> 00:47:25.252
true story movies like Wolf of Wall Street where it's like a somewhat serious

00:47:25.252 --> 00:47:28.552
premise but they kind of throw a little bit of humor I would argue that Wolf

00:47:28.552 --> 00:47:30.227
of Wall Street might be more of a comedy

00:47:30.413 --> 00:47:35.580
it's definitely a little more it's so goddamn funny yeah yeah his character is awesome,

00:47:36.659 --> 00:47:40.363
Weirdo, drug addict, psycho, capitalist. Very funny.

00:47:42.196 --> 00:47:46.573
Yeah. It's awesome. But speaking of funny.

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I have a wonderful, because this concludes, this is back to combat confessions,

00:47:55.023 --> 00:47:58.493
but this is to wrap up a prior combat confession.

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We talked about the Tinder profile with the dude grappling on what we can only

00:48:05.973 --> 00:48:08.214
assume was a dorm room bathroom floor.

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Do we actually know which guy he was? I assume he was the guy ripping the arm

00:48:12.633 --> 00:48:14.797
butt. He's the guy ripping the arm butt. Cool.

00:48:15.726 --> 00:48:21.083
But, so like, I messaged him. It would have been insane if he was getting arm

00:48:21.083 --> 00:48:23.083
butt. Oh, dude. He was like, post it. That would be fucking wild.

00:48:23.795 --> 00:48:27.363
Maybe, you know, he actually didn't clarify which one he was.

00:48:27.863 --> 00:48:31.893
So believe whatever you want. I'm going to assume that if you're posting it

00:48:31.893 --> 00:48:34.583
on Tinder, that's probably your... The guy beating the other guy.

00:48:34.583 --> 00:48:38.763
Or at least that's what you want people to believe. Sure. But I reached... Too funny.

00:48:39.343 --> 00:48:42.259
The post was too old to comment on.

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So I messaged the guy who was the original poster.

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And I hit him up. I was like, dude, I know that this was at least three years

00:48:54.503 --> 00:48:59.633
ago that you posted about your Tinder profile on Reddit BJJ.

00:48:59.633 --> 00:49:02.089
I was like, but dude, I have to know.

00:49:03.140 --> 00:49:09.763
Did you get did you like get any women out of this whatever and so he responds and,

00:49:10.971 --> 00:49:17.612
It didn't bring me any luck on Tinder, but it did get the attention of a girl on Bumble.

00:49:18.001 --> 00:49:23.249
Her brother fought amateur MMA for ATT, American Top Team, in Atlanta,

00:49:23.580 --> 00:49:27.075
so she knew enough to know I was doing jujitsu in the picture.

00:49:27.678 --> 00:49:32.140
But luckily, she didn't know too much to the point that she could roast me like

00:49:32.140 --> 00:49:35.138
Reddit did. Which, dude, the comments are fucking brutal.

00:49:37.540 --> 00:49:40.180
I, yeah. Yeah, all right. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:49:41.833 --> 00:49:45.468
But luckily, she didn't know enough to the point that she could roast me like Reddit did.

00:49:45.792 --> 00:49:50.587
After breaking the ice, talking about jujitsu, we dated for a while before getting

00:49:50.587 --> 00:49:53.197
married. Nice. Boom. They got married.

00:49:53.657 --> 00:49:57.562
Congrats, buddy. He found love. He found love. We have been married for almost-

00:49:57.562 --> 00:49:58.717
You fucking Reddit weirdos.

00:49:59.397 --> 00:50:03.097
Yeah, yeah. There are people who are married on Reddit. It's real.

00:50:04.497 --> 00:50:07.301
It can be done. There's people that have girlfriends and wives on Reddit.

00:50:08.117 --> 00:50:10.417
We have been married for almost two years now.

00:50:10.417 --> 00:50:15.537
So congratulations to the newlyweds somewhat newlyweds and you know hopefully happy,

00:50:16.717 --> 00:50:22.347
second anniversary it all started with and it all started because and with that

00:50:22.347 --> 00:50:28.977
goofy ass picture that's a good that guy won dude he won he won he won he's the winner.

00:50:30.636 --> 00:50:35.267
He won reddit and you know he probably knew because I'm assuming he was at least

00:50:35.267 --> 00:50:40.647
a white or blue belt in that picture he probably knew that his now wife's brother

00:50:40.647 --> 00:50:42.732
could kick his ass. Probably.

00:50:43.162 --> 00:50:45.497
And maybe that's why he still got the girl. There you go.

00:50:46.057 --> 00:50:48.410
So, yeah. I mean, there you go, guys.

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That is today's combat confession. That was straight from now.

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Case closed. Case closed. Successful case closed. Love wins.

00:50:56.577 --> 00:51:00.917
Love wins. Love wins. Love always. Love finds a way. Love finds a way. What a love story.

00:51:01.617 --> 00:51:04.567
How about that? That made me happy. There is goodness in the world.

00:51:04.567 --> 00:51:07.374
Amongst all those awful posts you're saying, all the awful comments.

00:51:07.630 --> 00:51:11.437
All those dude all those terrible comments do you have any can we look at like

00:51:11.437 --> 00:51:16.037
one or two awesome comments I absolutely can give us like one or two just like

00:51:16.037 --> 00:51:22.392
the most yeah let me go especially now that we know he won back to it you got a lady uh yeah so.

00:51:24.853 --> 00:51:31.500
There's some dude there's some ruthless ones it's so bad uh ba ba ba ba,

00:51:32.626 --> 00:51:37.164
I'm going to find it. Here we go. Help with Tinder. No, don't take me to his,

00:51:37.623 --> 00:51:39.196
profile. I've already seen it.

00:51:43.213 --> 00:51:47.570
Everyone is really tied up on the fact that they were in the bathrooms,

00:51:47.570 --> 00:51:50.630
but the walls are tiled. They probably think he's in a bathhouse,

00:51:50.630 --> 00:51:53.070
and the guy on the bottom almost looks like he's smiling.

00:51:54.150 --> 00:51:58.968
Okay. Let's call him gay, basically. Yep, OP. Delete that photo. It's gross.

00:52:01.238 --> 00:52:05.280
Okay. You hit on all that without even mentioning the creepy-ass Christmas sock

00:52:05.280 --> 00:52:07.228
on the oddly angled foot in the background.

00:52:07.751 --> 00:52:10.949
I forgot that there's a dude, like, watching in the background. Oh, yeah.

00:52:11.611 --> 00:52:14.660
Seriously, nothing wrong with a professional-looking turning photo,

00:52:14.660 --> 00:52:17.521
preferably in a gi, but this just looks weird. Yeah.

00:52:18.200 --> 00:52:21.890
I'd do BJJ, and I'd swipe left, which I think is the bad, right?

00:52:22.330 --> 00:52:24.225
That means you're passing. Yeah, he says no.

00:52:24.950 --> 00:52:26.994
Everything about this photo makes me think, why?

00:52:28.370 --> 00:52:33.160
You can barely see either one's face, though. true oh because somebody said

00:52:33.160 --> 00:52:35.770
the other dude was clearly more attractive to him,

00:52:37.070 --> 00:52:41.680
uh and then tell the truth but make it ambiguous enough to still sound weird

00:52:41.680 --> 00:52:46.350
like i was getting him to submit to me then when she and because he asked what

00:52:46.350 --> 00:52:49.150
advice he asked to respond to it okay,

00:52:50.050 --> 00:52:54.670
we talked about in the original story um i was getting him to submit to me then

00:52:54.690 --> 00:52:57.750
And when she inevitably says, what, just hit her with an ohs. Yeah.

00:52:59.230 --> 00:53:02.190
Yeah. Okay. People were, those were some of the more tame ones.

00:53:04.168 --> 00:53:07.570
They were mean. They were out. We talked on some of the meaner ones in the original,

00:53:07.990 --> 00:53:11.990
the original Combat Confession. See the old episode, guys. Go back to,

00:53:11.990 --> 00:53:13.683
I think it's two, only two episodes ago.

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Two episodes back. That ain't that long. It's not that long ago,

00:53:16.100 --> 00:53:19.871
guys. Two weeks ago, we talked about this. Two things down on Spotify. And we delivered.

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So, yeah, that's the Combat Confession. And that was Fighters Drinking Coffee.

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Thank you guys for listening.

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