The Coach’s Playbook: Takedowns, Scenarios, and Reviewing Tournament Lessons (Episode 73)

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Welcome back to Fires Drinking Coffee. We are your hosts, Scott Dance and Michael

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Sutherland. And with a combined 40 years of grappling experience,

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we are here to help you streamline your jiu-jitsu training.

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And on that note, we just finished up with the Virginia Open.

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I had 15 dudes competing throughout the weekend, including me.

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So like I also competed I had 14 guys that I was coaching,

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back to back to back like match next match starts next match starts all day like up until,

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I mean up until about like the nogi time and then it I got a little bit of a

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break like the last blue belt went,

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and then I got to go I had plenty of time to get ready after that but you know

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that was an experience I'm used to,

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I mean, I know we've talked about on the podcast before, like,

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you know, having this, you kind of have like other people to distract you and

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the difference between that and, um,

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and you, the solo mission, right?

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But this is, this was vastly different.

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You know, it's like two or three dudes. Yeah. Overwhelming, perhaps. Um, and yeah.

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Luckily, we had a decent team of coaches there to kind of like spread the love,

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spread it out a little bit, and some other guys there to help like get guys

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warmed up. And so I wasn't having to worry too much about bouncing all around.

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But I mean, dude, it was quite crazy.

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But somehow, I still found time to have the selfish moments to get ready and

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stuff like that. And it was a good weekend, good showing overall for the team.

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So, you know, that was good.

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You had a few people competing too, right? Uh-huh. Not as many as you.

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Yeah. Not nearly as many as you.

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Andrea got her first. She did. Was that her first roundabout one too? Yeah. Gold. So we both.

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Got out there and did it. Got out there and did it. That's good.

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First win. Wins, plural for you. Mm-hmm.

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At least on my wins, I had 100% sub rate, so I was happy with that.

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That might be a first for me for a tournament, I think. Could.

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Yeah, that's a first for me for a tournament. So that was pretty cool.

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Figured some things out.

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Got some damage, but that's okay.

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Figured things out, like you said. There's a lot of ways to figure things out.

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We found the, uh, we, I've discovered some answers to a hopefully continuous problem.

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So, uh, well, hopefully soon to be solved, but I think, I think I've got my,

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new rival figured out. Yeah.

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I've established a rivalry and I like this. I like that.

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Um, more on that in the future. I'm sure not on this episode.

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Um, but yeah, I mean, so yeah. Back to my 14 whatever competitors.

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Athletes. Yeah, my athletes, not me.

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Moving on from me, I mean, of them, how many of them were, well,

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let's go with first time IBJJF competitors because that's a, you know.

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It's a whole thing. It's its own thing, right? So I had one, two, three.

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Believe oh about half of them were first time ibjgf competitors and of those probably another,

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most actually most of that half was first time ever competing,

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two of them have trained for less than six months wow um so it was a broad spectrum

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and you know then like you know we had people up to john who's competed his entire life and you know,

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i was joking with the seam today that like seam posted up like the,

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the tally of everyone who won i was like oh look there's john on four of your

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slides yeah he's like yeah dude quad gold is is nuts and i'm like well i've

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kind of expect this of him yeah yeah really anything less would be disappointing um,

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john but uh god but you know we have yeah you know we have from like that level

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of like competition experience down to like a guy who it's his first sport,

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and first time competing in in like a.

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I mean he's competed in stuff before but like his prior competition experience

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was in chess like that's the other,

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at least to my knowledge um yeah from what he's told me in sports so you know

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broad spectrum it's a very broad spectrum of like competitive,

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experience and like different types of athletes um,

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you know we had young kids we had a kid who bumped up so 15 years old bumped

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up to blue belt competed there oh adult yeah so he competed well juvenile excuse

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me but you know like barely,

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allowed to compete at blue belt right about right um.

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Yeah. Did you get to catch any of Rock's matches?

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Dude, I didn't see this guy. He's the Giant, right? I didn't see any of his.

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He's the former football player. Did you Gi and no Gi?

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No, he was the White Bell. He only did Gi. Oh, that's why. I didn't go Saturday.

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No, he was there Sunday. So he did get, oh, but his division.

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I think you just missed it. I missed it. So he won three matches.

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And this was actually, and I bring this one up, One, because he's a maniac.

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He's only been training for six months.

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But it was a cool thing where you got to see, like, the progression from match to match to match.

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Like, match one, the immediate, like,

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stunning stun effect of oh my god i'm fighting somebody you know like the over

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gripping the like we're just gonna brawl and,

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yank a guy around for a while fry your grips yeah both guys gripping each other's

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collars trying to like toss each other around and um you know just like kind

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of falling into positions to,

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the third match he i mean second match he like,

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pancakes the dude gets on his back back mount chokes him cool pretty sick third

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match though like super calm collected and like at one point like he lets the

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dude back up and like he just has his grips,

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and he just kind of like looks,

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sets up the throw and just like tosses the dude yeah like he'd been doing judo

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never done judo it was just like one of those things like just the composure

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change from like match one to match three.

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Damn. It's an athlete. So, yeah.

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And so, you know, like that was. He's the guy who was a pro.

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He was a college football player. Pro caliber football. Right.

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Like he's. Right, right. He's a competitive.

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Yeah. He's a seriously experienced. He's a professional level athlete. Got it.

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Like we're all, you know, like he's legit. Yep, yep.

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Picking up what you're putting down. You know, it was cool to see that like.

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The incremental. shift and you know I was,

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you do what you someone's only been competing for six months there's only so

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much like in instruction you can give them in a coaching set right like you

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have to be very simple and um,

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you kind of just have to sometimes just kind of have to like tell them,

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hey just hold them there or you know yeah you know that you,

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you kind of have to coach to a level of like all right i know you don't know

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like a bunch of moots yeah so i'm just gonna be like hey put your hand here

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put your leg there which i try to keep most of my coaching like that anyways but,

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you know you have to kind of recognize how would yeah did you have to like shift

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the way you talk to him versus the other guys you cornered no i mean for me no okay um.

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I i keep my like you know i keep my coaching very simplified um with the exception of like,

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for some things knee cut you know like there's some stuff i will just do like a straight move call for,

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um but for a lot of other things like progressing through position all of that it's a lot of,

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you know it's like calling out twister right hand right hand yeah to right armpit

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yeah right elbow right knee like right i try to just keep it to simple instruction

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for a lot of these got for a lot of people just because,

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no from for me like that's easier to pick up in the moment like if you just

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say put this thing here versus like,

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do this move and if you're not someone who constantly does that move it's hard

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to like now you have to flip to the rolodex and like yeah you don't expect someone

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who doesn't understand that that instruction to execute it yeah and like one loud,

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yelled statement in the middle of like a tournament i get it yeah i'm just curious um so i i try to and,

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i'll even oh simplify it even more for guys that are if it's someone who's brand

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new or i mean like a lot of these guys are guys i train monday through friday

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like every day every week so,

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i know their level of comprehension of like jujitsu lexicon right like.

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Someone who's You've been doing it for six, six months.

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Two of those months have just been like intensive camp where it's we're just,

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doing situational, situational, situational.

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Not learning new moves like not necessarily talking about moves in the sense

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of like this move is has a name i also don't know the names of a lot of different

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moves at least like the shared naming schemes,

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yeah so there's stuff it's like this is what i do from this position right like,

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whatever um so i know that some of these guys like if i just call out a move,

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that isn't necessarily going to click right so it might just be hey let's get

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this hook and then we're going to take them to the left,

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that they know what that means right so in different guys that i coach know

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those things in different ways so i try to use it in terminology that i know

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that we have used to each other before um,

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and also just knowing that like,

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where people like to be when they're competing like some guys are more comfortable

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in different positions so I try to lead them to those positions as well.

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You know like there's guys that,

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like to you know the guy is more

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comfortable finishing from out i'm gonna guide him to mount if the guy's,

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not really comfortable finishing there hey let's get there hold it for a few

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seconds and let's just maybe we just hold it or maybe we get our points and pop off right so like,

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it was for me as like as like a coaching,

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experience having to like adjust each match was interesting and like changing

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the tactics that i was trying to give them each match was different and that

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was you know just a new experience for me,

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um yeah i mean that's a heavy dosage of coaching 14 people's a lot man while

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you're also eventually thinking about when you're going to gear shift over to,

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preparing yourself to compete which the nice thing was,

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i've competed against both of these guys before right so there wasn't like,

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even prior to anyone else getting there like the level of the fact that there

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wasn't an unknown factor in in the bracket made it a lot easier um a lot less.

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The nerves you know like the nervousness is different i guess like i'm not like

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oh i wonder what this guy's gonna do what am i gonna do,

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it was pretty easy to like i mean heck i texted you i told you exactly how i

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was going to start a match right i was like i'm just gonna shoot low on this ankle,

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you know it was a lot easier to just make those decisions that like first action

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decision there's no unknown i don't have to be like well i hope i can you know

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maybe i'll go for this or that and like it's just knowing like a lot of the,

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taking the unknown out of it made it easier for me to,

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not have to be as like.

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I almost didn't feel distracted from what I needed to do because I already knew

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what I needed to do. There wasn't, like, an unknown factor.

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You didn't have to, like, visualize the entire fight in your head.

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You were like, well, I'm going to do the following things. I know how certain

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situations are going to play out.

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So then you do that, then the remaining unknowns are kind of just presented later.

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Yeah, I knew the scenarios I would have to deal with.

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And so I was able to just kind of, like, check the boxes on my like checklist

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mentally yeah so i didn't have

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yeah like you said i have to like think through entire matches and like,

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scat like spider plots of you know well if they do this and i'll do that like

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that didn't exist yeah like it did like it does when you haven't faced somebody

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right so that was it made it easier for me to like clear my mind and like,

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not have to worry as much about compartmentalizing because it was very easy

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it was already in like a clean cut box in my thought process yep um,

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to where i was able to focus on everyone else i guess right like yeah yeah yeah

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i was able to focus on them without having to like take away from what i needed

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at the same time so like i was still.

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I wasn't taking away from my own focus on my match because it was already,

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you were you were already done a lot of homework yeah and it was framed off

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it was much cleaner cut scenario than it than others right other situations um,

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it's also kind of cool like when you have those guys that you because i've invested

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a lot you know i'm there training with them every day that a lot of these guys,

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their success feels like i feel connected to it,

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i mean they did it and i'm not like i'm not taking credit right i'm just saying

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like i feel like personally invested in how they do and like,

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how to help them if so like if they don't win like oh i i can give you real,

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feedback and like on what happened without having it feel you know.

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Try to like keep you up yeah right yep um but also like,

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i want them to succeed i train with these guys every day i kind of know where

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that success would come from and like may i tell a lot of guys like just turn

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your brain off let me let me be your brain for a little bit i know what you

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need to do you know what you you can trust me to just,

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and that connection was easy that like,

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hey i'll i'll just tell you what

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to do you turn your brain off just let it happen right um i mean probably,

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i had one guy that i think.

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The best listener for the day in the moment was probably my master's five competitor,

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um and this this i mean this is the guy the first also first time compete uh

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first time competing he was going against a guy who competes who's competed,

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a lot before right he's competed a few times i mean it's white belts so like,

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how many times did they compete i don't know but he's i saw him at this same

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tournament last year okay and another one of my white belts like he competed

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in the division of another guy that I was coaching.

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And it was actually, so the two days before, I think it was,

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he hits me up and he goes, hey, my guy has a video of him competing,

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uh he was actually asking about bjj metrics he's like is this like bjj metric

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site like okay to sign up i'm like yeah it's it's safe you can sign up there but then,

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i was like i have a account give me a second i like went and checked and i was

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like well it's like don't sign up for it i'm just gonna go find i recognize

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the name i found out like he competed against the other competitor i was like

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i'm gonna go find the youtube and i'll just

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screen capture and send it to him he like legit went and did homework on this guy it was pretty cool,

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he was like yeah i found out he was gonna just he told me afterwards like yeah

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like i watched the video and i found he was just gonna like bum rush me at the

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beginning and figured he would just get tired eventually.

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Um is that what happened kind of okay the dude like came at him the guy took

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him down and actually this this is the part i was the most proud of dude takes him down,

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and my guy stays composed in half guard so a guy gets on top of him kind of

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breaks it into half guard dude stays composed weathers the storm in half guard,

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rolls him over gets his two and then you know I'm calling out to him and then

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he listens he hears what I say he does the knee cut he does a knee through pass

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on another time and he gets him out just like.

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Given these are featherweights it was a very skinny mother's milk but was just like holding this dude.

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And with like mother's milk, like mother's milk position for the rest of the round.

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Um, but I know it was just cool. Like you don't see a lot of guys that are,

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um, you could see like the, the training that.

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Kind of like clicking in his head, right? That like, you can see,

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he's like, oh, I've been here before in training.

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And that was kind of cool to see too. We're like, you know, you don't always

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see that with guys like where they might be on bottom and they kind of like,

00:18:33.333 --> 00:18:36.683
ah, shit, I'm stuck on bottom. But we've done a lot of those.

00:18:36.683 --> 00:18:38.591
You're on bottom, you're down.

00:18:38.736 --> 00:18:46.343
You need to get up and score drills. And seeing that like payoff for in his match was good, right?

00:18:46.343 --> 00:18:52.113
Like, um, it's good because now we have like, it gives feedback to the training

00:18:52.113 --> 00:18:53.903
program and to, so that helps.

00:18:53.903 --> 00:18:59.253
But, um, yeah, I mean, it was just cool. We had some young guys that competed

00:18:59.253 --> 00:19:03.353
that needed different type of feedback though. Right. Like they're gonna do

00:19:03.353 --> 00:19:03.913
what they're going to do.

00:19:04.293 --> 00:19:09.853
And afterwards, like they tend to take losses a little harder than the older guys.

00:19:10.673 --> 00:19:14.833
Um, less life perspective. It's a much bigger deal to them. Well,

00:19:14.833 --> 00:19:18.113
especially like, you know, college age kids, right?

00:19:19.823 --> 00:19:23.066
They don't take losing as well.

00:19:25.315 --> 00:19:29.916
And, you know, being like, hey, dude, like, you faced, like,

00:19:29.916 --> 00:19:31.666
this guy's, like, top 10 in the world.

00:19:32.994 --> 00:19:36.001
I think it's pretty good that he only scored two points on you.

00:19:36.500 --> 00:19:42.956
Like, you know, it's like, dude, you did good.

00:19:42.956 --> 00:19:48.356
Like, you've... It's not a bad loss. You're, like, a single exchange away from flipping that.

00:19:48.356 --> 00:19:52.026
Like it's not that big of a deal um you know and you'll see him again in a few

00:19:52.026 --> 00:19:57.044
months so uh you know like that those kind of things um,

00:19:58.350 --> 00:20:01.786
and obviously there's always like sweeping takeaways for the entire team where

00:20:01.786 --> 00:20:02.916
it's like all right well we need

00:20:02.916 --> 00:20:06.500
to work on there's some stuff that we all need to work on right but um,

00:20:07.452 --> 00:20:14.346
but i mean just overall it was beneficial it was good did you um how are your

00:20:14.746 --> 00:20:20.246
like tenured or experienced athletes how did they like fare comparatively to like the brand new guys,

00:20:21.372 --> 00:20:24.078
um my guys that have,

00:20:25.215 --> 00:20:32.639
I mean they did really well so the guys who normally who compete a lot so that would be like John um,

00:20:33.474 --> 00:20:37.976
I mean Luke competes frequently this is his first IBJJF so he kind of like fell

00:20:37.976 --> 00:20:40.504
into that category sure um.

00:20:42.099 --> 00:20:48.044
One guy, I think you've met him. One guy, Adam, got injured the first day.

00:20:49.134 --> 00:20:54.307
So, but he, I mean, he got bronze. He was probably, you know,

00:20:54.790 --> 00:20:56.446
he injured himself, by the way.

00:20:57.246 --> 00:21:00.026
If he didn't do that, he might have, he probably would have gone a lot further.

00:21:00.026 --> 00:21:04.286
Okay. But he got bronze, injured himself in the semifinals.

00:21:06.666 --> 00:21:13.696
I think for the most part like my at least IBJJF like guys a lot of them I mean

00:21:13.696 --> 00:21:18.519
they did well they all they competed well they stayed they had good composure,

00:21:19.706 --> 00:21:21.487
the guys were a little less.

00:21:24.122 --> 00:21:32.096
See actually my newer guys probably did had a better meddling results really

00:21:32.096 --> 00:21:36.006
yeah like their results actually the Like my brand new white belts,

00:21:36.006 --> 00:21:39.086
I had a silver, one guy got silver,

00:21:41.425 --> 00:21:44.867
two guys who had never competed before got silver, two guys got gold,

00:21:47.166 --> 00:21:48.406
running through the rest of them.

00:21:51.097 --> 00:21:57.210
One guy lost in quarters. So, I mean, but overall, good showing.

00:21:57.210 --> 00:22:02.968
I mean, everyone, almost everyone won a match, which is nice.

00:22:05.383 --> 00:22:13.200
One dude, Tiny, who you've met. Yep. Less than a minute for his first match. Okay. Like. All right.

00:22:14.276 --> 00:22:17.869
Big Nick did the exact same thing to both of his guys. Big Nick.

00:22:19.390 --> 00:22:23.384
He took them both down, progressed to Mount, and then Americana'd them both,

00:22:24.928 --> 00:22:28.491
in both matches, which was kind of cool to see him do the same thing twice.

00:22:33.780 --> 00:22:39.161
Do you find that when you're out there, when you have this many guys as you have or had,

00:22:40.531 --> 00:22:44.190
do you end up spending a little more time with the brand new guys and then kind

00:22:44.190 --> 00:22:46.880
of assume that some of the more experienced guys, like hey like I'm obviously

00:22:46.880 --> 00:22:49.749
going to be there to help you as are the other coaches but

00:22:50.132 --> 00:22:54.930
you know the program a little bit more so like run this run that be ready we'll

00:22:54.930 --> 00:22:57.200
be on the mat yeah there were um,

00:22:58.400 --> 00:23:04.560
I tried to spend more of like the the pre and in between time with the newer

00:23:04.560 --> 00:23:11.413
guys so like guys that were guys who've competed before I tried to let them have,

00:23:12.301 --> 00:23:16.510
you know I'm like hey you know You know what your warmup is.

00:23:16.510 --> 00:23:21.003
You know what your, you know what you like to do. You have your rituals already.

00:23:21.961 --> 00:23:26.586
So I'm going to try to keep, get these newer guys, you know,

00:23:27.022 --> 00:23:28.618
remind them of things. Hey.

00:23:30.203 --> 00:23:35.166
Not only thing you need to worry about right now is that first thing you're

00:23:35.166 --> 00:23:36.556
going to do first action.

00:23:36.556 --> 00:23:39.116
That's all you want it. All you need to think about like those little things,

00:23:39.116 --> 00:23:42.946
right? Like tried to take them through the entire, like spend time with them

00:23:42.946 --> 00:23:47.798
while they're waiting in the bullpen. And you know, the guys are more experienced.

00:23:48.460 --> 00:23:52.186
A little less head holding. Yeah. It's like, Hey, like, do you want me here

00:23:52.186 --> 00:23:55.356
or no, if you don't want me here, like if someone, or be like,

00:23:55.356 --> 00:23:59.205
Hey, like I'm going to go grab, I'm going to go grab this other guy.

00:24:00.046 --> 00:24:03.206
And get he needs to get in here too i'm gonna go hang out with him while he's

00:24:03.206 --> 00:24:05.836
in here are you good do you need anything do you need someone else to come hang

00:24:05.836 --> 00:24:09.206
out with you because it's like i'm gonna go grab this i'm gonna go hang out

00:24:09.206 --> 00:24:14.750
with the first timer if because he's probably gonna need that more than you do and um,

00:24:15.964 --> 00:24:20.276
or hey like i'm gonna send a different guy to coach you it might be a guy who's

00:24:20.276 --> 00:24:23.986
already finished competing maybe like i mean or for nick nick can't hear you

00:24:23.986 --> 00:24:29.320
anyways so maybe i just have someone i'll send someone to come videotape your batch for you um.

00:24:30.788 --> 00:24:34.556
You know things like that where it's just like all right i know that you know

00:24:34.556 --> 00:24:37.818
what you want to do and you know how you're going to do it so,

00:24:38.788 --> 00:24:42.396
i don't necessarily you don't need as much like you said direct involvement

00:24:42.396 --> 00:24:46.700
the hand-holding or the direct involvement that someone else might or um,

00:24:47.925 --> 00:24:52.286
yeah i get it yeah i'm just curious it makes sense i tried to be there for like

00:24:52.286 --> 00:24:58.101
the newer guys or the guys who hadn't competed in IBJJF like to make those,

00:24:59.395 --> 00:25:02.129
to help them like help guide them at least through like.

00:25:03.957 --> 00:25:09.304
Give them like little rule tips and you know or talk to them in between matches to help give,

00:25:09.784 --> 00:25:15.284
them for success when they're new and and they don't know all the details as

00:25:15.284 --> 00:25:18.414
much as some of these other guys who are who know the details they just got

00:25:18.414 --> 00:25:21.637
to worry about the match a little bit more yeah um like,

00:25:22.403 --> 00:25:25.619
i'll use rockin as an example like in between his,

00:25:26.548 --> 00:25:30.751
he finishes his first match he comes over and i'm just like all right hey real quick,

00:25:31.743 --> 00:25:33.038
let's settle it down on the feet

00:25:33.282 --> 00:25:37.473
look pick what you want and do that thing because he was you know a little,

00:25:37.966 --> 00:25:41.724
like a lot of white belts and first-time competitors like maybe thinking coming

00:25:41.724 --> 00:25:47.324
out a little hard and just like looking for whatever and i was just like just pick one thing,

00:25:47.858 --> 00:25:52.364
and do it that's like pick a grip just pick a grip that you want and like let's

00:25:52.364 --> 00:25:55.927
look for that grip um you know just try to like,

00:25:56.542 --> 00:25:59.793
hone them in a little bit get them a little focus um,

00:26:00.913 --> 00:26:04.570
did that with a few guys where it's just like hey dude like all right you won

00:26:04.895 --> 00:26:09.944
good now we need we need to do the let's tighten it up for the next one,

00:26:10.564 --> 00:26:14.384
um like one guy pulled out an arm bar in his first match and i was like all

00:26:14.384 --> 00:26:17.161
right you got the arm bar you won however,

00:26:18.363 --> 00:26:20.424
it was a little messy like let's,

00:26:21.671 --> 00:26:25.714
let's tighten it up tighten up let's let's clean up our approach here right

00:26:25.714 --> 00:26:28.503
like i'm glad you won that's good.

00:26:29.787 --> 00:26:33.362
Where we just moved a little further into the bracket, we don't get the luxury

00:26:33.362 --> 00:26:38.462
of, like, mistaking into a victory this time around, right?

00:26:38.462 --> 00:26:43.852
So, you know, tried to, like, tighten those things up in between matches,

00:26:43.852 --> 00:26:48.472
especially with the newer guys. And, I mean, I had to yell at one dude because

00:26:48.472 --> 00:26:52.392
he was coaching from Matt's side, and the ref kept telling him to stop.

00:26:53.762 --> 00:26:58.023
So I had to yell at him mid-match and be like, stop talking!

00:27:00.272 --> 00:27:06.242
One of your guys from Matt's side from the competitor's side and they're not

00:27:06.242 --> 00:27:10.468
allowed to do that he was like talking to the other Matt,

00:27:11.512 --> 00:27:16.752
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00:27:52.182 --> 00:27:56.785
Um don't cost us this match i was like don't you get both of you dq'd uh,

00:27:58.730 --> 00:28:03.359
you know like whatever it's fast time and stuff but you know like like you said

00:28:03.359 --> 00:28:09.295
i tried to i tried to be a little more attentive with the newer guys um the

00:28:09.492 --> 00:28:12.714
more seasoned competitors i tried to give them like,

00:28:13.707 --> 00:28:17.084
you know a little bit of leeway it's like we talked about with the,

00:28:18.024 --> 00:28:22.129
you know first time competitor you don't have the right to you haven't earned

00:28:22.129 --> 00:28:26.064
the right to like have an expectation right similarly like,

00:28:26.825 --> 00:28:31.059
on the on the kind of like the flip side like those season guys have the right

00:28:31.059 --> 00:28:35.422
to experience to like have the version of experience that they

00:28:35.846 --> 00:28:42.905
are used to right they know what they want how they compete the best like this setup that they need,

00:28:43.392 --> 00:28:48.369
um they just have a general idea of how things go like i don't know you i can

00:28:48.369 --> 00:28:53.098
be left alone in a bullpen you know i kind of assume that a lot of the other,

00:28:53.615 --> 00:28:57.289
seasoned guys can be left alone in the bullpen right like,

00:28:57.998 --> 00:29:00.519
check in with them every once in a while make sure you don't need something,

00:29:01.059 --> 00:29:05.352
from outside from the outside world um but yeah you know uh,

00:29:06.699 --> 00:29:11.909
that's kind of how i tried to manage it because I did try to make sure everyone

00:29:11.909 --> 00:29:15.284
had someone nearby just in case like.

00:29:17.180 --> 00:29:20.919
Someone got pulled out early and so you could see you had you had people to

00:29:20.919 --> 00:29:28.512
look for in between matches if you need to run over to a different side or whatever so um yeah okay,

00:29:29.493 --> 00:29:34.415
and it makes sense yeah all right what were the takeaways for the whole team,

00:29:35.146 --> 00:29:42.844
um for the community the flock takedowns was a big one not necessarily like the technique itself,

00:29:43.906 --> 00:29:47.134
like I think guys,

00:29:48.312 --> 00:29:53.989
weren't exactly sure how they wanted to set up their takedown game,

00:29:55.189 --> 00:30:00.829
I talked with Jason I talked yesterday about this but I was like we need to

00:30:00.829 --> 00:30:04.499
work on our feet a little more guys kind of know what they're going to do but

00:30:04.499 --> 00:30:05.646
they didn't really know how to,

00:30:06.715 --> 00:30:10.749
like what they didn't know what their first action should be they didn't really

00:30:10.749 --> 00:30:12.689
like know like what grip they wanted um,

00:30:13.562 --> 00:30:17.189
to where you know it's just like oh i'm on my feet and if something ends up

00:30:17.189 --> 00:30:20.273
in my arms i'll grab all the better yeah like um,

00:30:21.039 --> 00:30:25.809
some guys that wasn't the case like there's guys who are seasoned john wrestlers

00:30:25.809 --> 00:30:29.749
john like guys who of course they knew what they were gonna to do yeah but there

00:30:29.749 --> 00:30:33.061
were guys that didn't necessarily know what.

00:30:34.489 --> 00:30:38.669
What takedowns you know what how they wanted to put it on the ground,

00:30:39.669 --> 00:30:44.959
and it was pretty you know as obvious as guys who i know have good takedowns

00:30:44.959 --> 00:30:49.269
but again didn't know how they wanted to get there so they end up either pulling

00:30:49.269 --> 00:30:53.222
guard or they just kind of end up in a weird you know,

00:30:54.494 --> 00:30:58.564
feet exchange on their feet where like they're just trying to kind of outpower

00:30:58.564 --> 00:31:00.386
the other guy to end up on the ground yeah um.

00:31:01.809 --> 00:31:07.480
So for me that was a big one that i noticed uh for some guys i mean actually,

00:31:08.049 --> 00:31:13.774
then another one was just passing from standing okay i saw a lot of opportunities

00:31:13.774 --> 00:31:18.344
there i mean it wasn't like guys were doing a bad job there but it's just there

00:31:18.344 --> 00:31:22.084
were a lot of missed opportunities there um and,

00:31:22.955 --> 00:31:28.214
luckily i mean i had i had success passing from standing and so i was like hey like,

00:31:29.091 --> 00:31:32.904
here's how we'll do it let's just do the what what was working for me and that's

00:31:32.904 --> 00:31:35.524
how we're going to start and we're just maybe we'll all get good at that i don't

00:31:35.524 --> 00:31:39.464
know like um we're just going to blast knee cuts and,

00:31:40.404 --> 00:31:44.033
high step passing and i don't know you know something like that and just like,

00:31:44.521 --> 00:31:47.609
let's just pick a system that we want to use from the feet or,

00:31:48.323 --> 00:31:53.544
that ties into our other passing systems that guys use like the other stuff

00:31:53.544 --> 00:31:55.666
i've been teaching because like i've been showing,

00:31:56.438 --> 00:32:00.972
a couple months ago like the block we did for passing was combat base and headquarters,

00:32:01.535 --> 00:32:03.062
all right well now we're still on our feet.

00:32:04.310 --> 00:32:09.074
We need something else that either directs us into that or we don't need to

00:32:09.074 --> 00:32:15.164
go or we just stay on our feet and pass from there so um that's kind of where also it's given,

00:32:15.864 --> 00:32:19.544
the state of things it's kind of what i can show at the moment anyway so okay

00:32:19.544 --> 00:32:26.977
um i can i can standing pass without having to use my arm from an instructor standpoint so um,

00:32:27.691 --> 00:32:32.634
so yeah like those are two and then some stuff was like just pressure you know

00:32:32.634 --> 00:32:35.301
just body positioning just kind of correcting some,

00:32:36.091 --> 00:32:39.231
mistakes yeah yeah it's that's always one of the,

00:32:40.038 --> 00:32:44.064
enlightening things of going to a tournament and when you have as many guys

00:32:44.064 --> 00:32:46.290
as you have you'll notice patterns of.

00:32:48.572 --> 00:32:55.346
From the matches and how they play out that tell you a story and in my experience usually like there's,

00:32:56.622 --> 00:33:00.378
um, you don't, I mean, you don't always know it until you see it,

00:33:00.378 --> 00:33:04.218
but when you see it, you're kind of like, oh yeah, duh, it's like a duh moment,

00:33:04.218 --> 00:33:07.743
which is that, um, you might see some sort of,

00:33:08.411 --> 00:33:12.892
miss, you'll see the things that go really well that everyone does well consistently.

00:33:13.281 --> 00:33:21.826
And, um, you'll see the things that aren't going well that people aren't executing.

00:33:22.325 --> 00:33:26.688
And at least in my experience, a lot of times there's almost always a big like,

00:33:26.688 --> 00:33:30.608
duh, moment where I say, well, yeah, I mean, okay, no wonder people are having

00:33:30.608 --> 00:33:33.248
a hard time. We haven't actually practiced this in a minute.

00:33:33.248 --> 00:33:37.168
And so it's generally like, there's a simplicity to it, right?

00:33:37.912 --> 00:33:42.198
That's the blessing and curse of jiu-jitsu. It's like you focus on X,

00:33:42.198 --> 00:33:44.111
Y, and Z for six months and you'll get good at it.

00:33:44.582 --> 00:33:48.758
But the ABC that you left out because you can't focus on everything at the exact

00:33:48.758 --> 00:33:52.581
same time gets a little dull. So you're always sort of chasing.

00:33:54.996 --> 00:33:57.868
You're not always chasing it but you know what i'm saying like you there's always

00:33:57.868 --> 00:34:01.434
that like feedback loop of like ah crap okay the thing that um,

00:34:03.013 --> 00:34:08.364
we have not been practicing unsurprising surprisingly unsurprising didn't,

00:34:09.088 --> 00:34:13.918
get executed this well and so you can remedy that by saying all right well we'll

00:34:13.918 --> 00:34:17.778
just go whether like it's like what you just said with like high step passing

00:34:17.778 --> 00:34:20.536
passing from standing whatever it is but,

00:34:21.425 --> 00:34:25.718
there's the takeaway of like well you know crap well we you haven't done closed guard in a long time.

00:34:25.718 --> 00:34:29.400
So no wonder people weren't handling the situation that well. It's not very crisp.

00:34:29.842 --> 00:34:34.408
We're just kind of hoping that people's general awareness and skill sets in

00:34:34.408 --> 00:34:35.582
those circumstances will.

00:34:37.191 --> 00:34:42.243
Shines even though we haven't made a purposeful effort to prepare for it so

00:34:42.243 --> 00:34:45.973
there's like something to that just sometimes taking a step back and saying

00:34:45.973 --> 00:34:49.453
oh okay well you know what like yeah haven't done it all right we didn't do

00:34:49.453 --> 00:34:51.338
that great at it but we can work on it,

00:34:51.953 --> 00:34:57.233
yeah i mean it was definitely like i i'm sure if i pulled my like sheet out

00:34:57.233 --> 00:35:01.991
like my eight-week program out and kind of held it up against like the,

00:35:03.135 --> 00:35:07.663
what do we need to you know what are our broad takeaways i'm sure if i pulled

00:35:07.663 --> 00:35:11.944
that up i could look at it and be like all right well eight week program broad takeaways,

00:35:12.635 --> 00:35:16.913
yeah maybe we should have increased the frequency of hand fight takedowns hand

00:35:16.913 --> 00:35:20.036
fight takedowns you know i was doing i think i had like one or two days a week,

00:35:20.588 --> 00:35:23.623
thought maybe that'd be enough maybe we needed more days you know maybe we needed

00:35:23.623 --> 00:35:25.923
more higher frequency um,

00:35:26.660 --> 00:35:31.133
not in probably i would probably find that i didn't have a lot of standing passing

00:35:31.133 --> 00:35:33.388
stuff i I think I had a lot of, like,

00:35:34.183 --> 00:35:37.533
guard break and tight passing, not a lot of passing from standing.

00:35:39.033 --> 00:35:43.338
I mean, actually, I definitely know that that was the case. And then.

00:35:45.578 --> 00:35:48.793
This one's probably less about the, but, like, you know, little things were,

00:35:48.793 --> 00:35:50.426
all right, let's tweak the programming around that.

00:35:50.820 --> 00:35:54.773
Maybe we need to increase frequency of certain things, maybe there's other stuff

00:35:54.773 --> 00:35:56.509
that just was less important. Okay.

00:35:57.273 --> 00:36:00.173
You know, like. Yeah, too much of one thing that didn't even come up. Yeah.

00:36:00.513 --> 00:36:02.253
Yeah, yeah, yeah. So, you know, scenarios like, all right, well,

00:36:02.253 --> 00:36:05.558
these scenarios weren't really that big of a deal.

00:36:07.822 --> 00:36:14.834
There's one thing that I think would be that you could tell who made it to more

00:36:15.020 --> 00:36:20.326
practices based on the readiness for.

00:36:22.124 --> 00:36:28.858
Bad situations okay that's an interesting call out um so we did we did a lot of,

00:36:30.350 --> 00:36:36.712
a lot of scenario training where it'd be you're winning or you're losing and

00:36:37.132 --> 00:36:40.272
you know no matter what someone is winning and losing in this scenario right

00:36:40.272 --> 00:36:44.632
um but it'd be you're on bottom or you're on top and you're losing.

00:36:46.639 --> 00:36:52.632
To where, hey, you need to know that you have this much time,

00:36:52.632 --> 00:36:54.470
you need to score this many points.

00:36:55.149 --> 00:36:58.469
Sometimes it was you're losing by an advantage. You just have to score once.

00:36:58.998 --> 00:37:02.027
You know, like little, just giving them a scenario to kind of.

00:37:02.160 --> 00:37:06.432
It's like gamifying these scenarios. Yeah, giving them the game of like forcing

00:37:06.432 --> 00:37:15.204
them in a specific time frame to complete the goal that wins them a match.

00:37:15.575 --> 00:37:18.682
Whether that's you're on bottom, you're losing, or you're on top,

00:37:18.682 --> 00:37:20.812
you're losing, you're on top, you're winning.

00:37:21.973 --> 00:37:26.222
Don't do dumb shit because you're winning right now. You have two minutes to continue to win.

00:37:26.831 --> 00:37:31.980
Or know that you can cede, you're up by eight points and you're on top.

00:37:32.201 --> 00:37:37.292
You can give up two points if you can then also hold those other six.

00:37:37.292 --> 00:37:40.882
You know, like, you could tell who had been to more practices because the guys

00:37:40.882 --> 00:37:48.414
that came five days a week were ready for those scenarios, and the guys who maybe showed up, like,

00:37:48.983 --> 00:37:52.812
here and there, while they still had successful weekends,

00:37:53.598 --> 00:37:55.302
weren't as ready for those scenarios.

00:37:55.302 --> 00:38:00.017
Like, you had guys that maybe didn't do, or guys that weren't in, like,

00:38:00.743 --> 00:38:05.332
they might have had they might have been jumping between mornings and evenings

00:38:05.332 --> 00:38:08.402
or just doing a different training schedule right and so they had they were

00:38:08.402 --> 00:38:13.102
doing different training not that they weren't like training hard they just

00:38:13.102 --> 00:38:15.720
were doing a different program right and so.

00:38:17.072 --> 00:38:20.593
They maybe weren't seeing these scenarios. So like they were a little less prepared

00:38:20.593 --> 00:38:24.434
for them or they just weren't doing them frequently enough or that was just

00:38:24.596 --> 00:38:29.183
ingrained in their brain that like, hey, maybe I shouldn't give up a sweep.

00:38:29.518 --> 00:38:35.573
You know, like I should fight to stay on my feet or I need to like fight harder to not go to my back.

00:38:35.573 --> 00:38:40.383
Don't seed your don't seed this sweep or, you know, don't just be willing to

00:38:40.383 --> 00:38:44.734
go to your back or because of what situation we're in right now in the match.

00:38:45.808 --> 00:38:49.923
Um i'll use my masters five competitor again just because he comes five days

00:38:49.923 --> 00:38:52.477
a week he comes every day so um,

00:38:53.173 --> 00:38:57.776
i could also use rock as an example here we're like he got he,

00:38:58.449 --> 00:39:03.363
fell into a takedown but then just like was caught instead of trying to play

00:39:03.363 --> 00:39:07.113
from his guard was constantly trying to push the guy off to get back to his

00:39:07.113 --> 00:39:08.660
feet to then i think he got swept,

00:39:09.124 --> 00:39:13.073
because he gets swept guy is 2-2 and then he's just constantly fighting to get

00:39:13.073 --> 00:39:16.473
back to his feet because he knows he wants to be on top and that's where he's

00:39:16.473 --> 00:39:18.883
more likely to win so you know it's just like,

00:39:19.411 --> 00:39:21.094
and then masters 5 competitor,

00:39:21.652 --> 00:39:25.613
knew hey i just need to keep trying to sweep this guy yeah i can't just sit

00:39:25.613 --> 00:39:30.113
here and play prevent i need to get on top and so you know these you can see

00:39:30.113 --> 00:39:31.735
in these two guys that had,

00:39:32.786 --> 00:39:39.053
come five days a week for almost the entire eight weeks you know minus like a few days here and there,

00:39:39.813 --> 00:39:44.433
that they were prepared to be in those scenarios receive the coaching advice

00:39:44.433 --> 00:39:52.893
in that in the moment and execute execute right like not not like get not crumble under the situation,

00:39:53.473 --> 00:39:58.953
or get like bogged down by oh no i'm losing like they just knew like no i know

00:39:58.953 --> 00:40:03.663
i can do this i've scored nine points in a minute before i can do this you know

00:40:03.663 --> 00:40:07.933
so like i think that mind like creating that mindset through the training helped a lot of these guys.

00:40:08.513 --> 00:40:12.519
And you can see who had been practicing those things. Mm-hmm.

00:40:14.139 --> 00:40:17.963
Yeah, I mean, basically what I'm hearing, and this is kind of a cool little

00:40:17.963 --> 00:40:21.337
thread on, like, programming and getting guys to.

00:40:23.525 --> 00:40:26.642
Set up mentally, physically as well, but mostly mentally,

00:40:27.648 --> 00:40:33.828
in that like game mindset of those scenarios you talked about where you said

00:40:33.828 --> 00:40:37.788
for the two month camp program you to run, you've had these guys going through

00:40:37.788 --> 00:40:39.343
lots of different scenarios.

00:40:41.143 --> 00:40:45.090
Scoreboard on your side versus scoreboard not on your side and then how to handle that,

00:40:46.809 --> 00:40:50.628
circumstance in the moment during the purpose of the drill but you do that enough

00:40:50.628 --> 00:40:54.768
times it gets guys understanding like how the game is played and,

00:40:55.648 --> 00:41:02.487
simply put the sounds like the dudes who did the bulk of the work that you would prescribed ended up,

00:41:03.259 --> 00:41:06.938
handling those situations better as which by the way when you say it out loud

00:41:06.938 --> 00:41:09.878
it's sort of like a duh you're kind of like oh yeah oh yeah okay they they did

00:41:09.878 --> 00:41:15.130
more of that they they understood that the job and under certain circumstances is x,

00:41:15.629 --> 00:41:18.410
you're up whatever the amount of points are,

00:41:19.164 --> 00:41:22.048
all right doesn't mean you stop scoring but it's like you can you can behave

00:41:22.048 --> 00:41:26.878
differently than the other dude who's behind six points or whatever and um like

00:41:26.878 --> 00:41:31.988
you said it's like understanding that full game perspective of.

00:41:34.159 --> 00:41:40.440
If you're circumstances or situations wise in a match like if the dude who's,

00:41:41.985 --> 00:41:47.422
done your your training regimen for the last couple months he fully gets that

00:41:47.422 --> 00:41:49.804
if you know he's up six points if the other guy sweeps him,

00:41:50.744 --> 00:41:54.872
like how about this like there's like a scenario where like guys on top he's

00:41:54.872 --> 00:41:58.818
up six points he's one of your guys and he's in a scenario against someone else's garden,

00:41:59.306 --> 00:42:02.252
though say the other guy's guard like he's desperate he's starting to throw

00:42:02.252 --> 00:42:05.362
stuff at you and like he's throwing legit weapons at you and maybe it's a sweep

00:42:05.362 --> 00:42:07.473
or it's a submission well let's get swept,

00:42:07.938 --> 00:42:11.602
like because i've i've with mike i've been preparing for situations where it's

00:42:11.612 --> 00:42:15.101
like all right well big fucking deal he scored two points i'm up six,

00:42:15.815 --> 00:42:20.002
i can still win this i'm aware i know how to play this rather than like uh panic

00:42:20.002 --> 00:42:22.473
like what do i do like i don't want to get swept because,

00:42:23.083 --> 00:42:26.802
getting swept is bad but like it's that or i get triangled but you freeze and

00:42:26.802 --> 00:42:29.625
then you get triangled and you tap and you lose yeah it's like all right well

00:42:29.822 --> 00:42:33.362
you're you're programming these guys to understand like right well no it's just

00:42:33.362 --> 00:42:34.867
there's just an awareness that you're like,

00:42:35.326 --> 00:42:38.449
getting these guys dialed into like the sport the game of it,

00:42:39.076 --> 00:42:45.392
um via the right formatted programming to prepare them to understand and win

00:42:45.392 --> 00:42:47.472
the game in the game because they've done,

00:42:48.232 --> 00:42:53.352
quite a bit of game style training yeah i mean i would say in you know i guess

00:42:53.352 --> 00:42:59.092
kind of reviewing my my own program like that was probably the strongest portion

00:42:59.092 --> 00:43:02.705
just from the results that was probably the strongest portion of like.

00:43:03.784 --> 00:43:08.086
The most result driving part of it outside of just you know well,

00:43:08.556 --> 00:43:12.616
we would spend roughly 30 minutes playing that like each each practice so half

00:43:12.616 --> 00:43:16.166
the practice is playing games like this where it's scenario based games or we're

00:43:16.166 --> 00:43:19.324
trying to win especially with new guys it's important to teach them that stuff because,

00:43:19.829 --> 00:43:23.936
you can you can be really good at all types of different little moves in an

00:43:23.936 --> 00:43:27.706
informal training scenario but like if those guys don't know how to translate

00:43:27.706 --> 00:43:32.223
that to hey guess what games on you're down six you're up six whatever maybe

00:43:32.636 --> 00:43:33.744
and you got a minute and a half,

00:43:34.609 --> 00:43:38.156
and now in either scenario there's teaching them how like a game because it's

00:43:38.156 --> 00:43:42.266
a game now you know when you go to the abjf it's it's a game you're playing

00:43:42.266 --> 00:43:45.772
you want to playing a game you're an athlete in the game you want to win the game so um,

00:43:46.686 --> 00:43:49.526
because like big deal like you know like you can we'll fuck around in training

00:43:49.526 --> 00:43:53.386
all the time where like in in like a training environment that's not gamified

00:43:53.386 --> 00:43:54.658
to use i guess that phrase,

00:43:55.796 --> 00:43:59.916
like maybe i'll let a purple belt ragdoll me around because i know in the last

00:43:59.916 --> 00:44:01.995
45 seconds i'll sweep them and submit them,

00:44:03.371 --> 00:44:07.017
Which is not a good way to train, even if I know I can do that, if I want to be.

00:44:09.386 --> 00:44:13.595
Preparing myself now i've you know maybe i'm not the best example of this because i've,

00:44:14.435 --> 00:44:17.475
i can differentiate but you get what i'm saying where it's like the habits of

00:44:17.475 --> 00:44:20.985
like allowing someone to rack up the score but that that can be a problem yeah

00:44:20.985 --> 00:44:24.395
someone has never want that to be like i don't want a brand new person to have

00:44:24.395 --> 00:44:27.455
that i mean eventually they'll get to where they they're doing that type of

00:44:27.455 --> 00:44:29.048
stuff too and they're they're able to

00:44:29.402 --> 00:44:32.113
play train in both threads well,

00:44:32.641 --> 00:44:36.725
but i was just using an example of like the informality of training where we're

00:44:36.725 --> 00:44:39.335
like ah no big deal he passed to my guard, ah, no big deal, he's a mountain.

00:44:39.335 --> 00:44:41.155
I'll just get out. You don't get points for getting out.

00:44:42.035 --> 00:44:44.975
It might be helpful for me to deal with one of my students to have them gain

00:44:44.975 --> 00:44:49.225
those skills, but that doesn't make me more prepared for winning a match.

00:44:49.225 --> 00:44:52.435
There's probably merit to me getting swept around and escaping.

00:44:52.435 --> 00:44:55.175
There definitely is defensively, but to the point I'm willing,

00:44:55.175 --> 00:44:56.504
I don't want to digress on that too much.

00:44:57.675 --> 00:45:02.665
For a new guy, that is a different way to prepare him than, well,

00:45:02.665 --> 00:45:05.565
what you're describing is a more intentional no way to prepare them for the

00:45:05.565 --> 00:45:08.915
game versus like we're just kind of sparring around in jiu-jitsu class.

00:45:08.915 --> 00:45:12.346
Yeah, you have to strip down like the generally like,

00:45:13.390 --> 00:45:19.832
jujitsu gentlemen's agreements right like we have like these gentlemen's agreements

00:45:19.832 --> 00:45:24.942
that like someone's gonna play guard someone's gonna be on top someone's gonna you know like,

00:45:25.714 --> 00:45:29.292
oh well if you pass and i'll if you're gonna pass i'll just kind of let you

00:45:29.292 --> 00:45:33.232
pass and then it becomes a little loose i'll just try to get back to my guard

00:45:33.232 --> 00:45:36.853
from there you know like these like weird little like,

00:45:37.794 --> 00:45:40.963
we play loose we play loose you get the habits and like little,

00:45:41.555 --> 00:45:46.072
patterns of like you said and that's just like that playing loose is great um

00:45:46.392 --> 00:45:50.952
for regular training activity but if you're going to go compete you really can't

00:45:50.952 --> 00:45:55.300
you can't be loose yeah you have to create not for new guys you got to like give them the the,

00:45:56.032 --> 00:45:59.538
the win loss conditions and then teach them to like

00:45:59.863 --> 00:46:04.272
attack the win yeah you have to teach them how to do the competition side of

00:46:04.272 --> 00:46:07.832
things so that they can eventually eventually they'll become different yeah

00:46:07.832 --> 00:46:13.354
right like eventually they will learn to differentiate between those two sides of themselves and.

00:46:14.412 --> 00:46:19.852
Yes that's well actually it's very well said and another thing that we did I

00:46:19.852 --> 00:46:24.041
think was a pretty that was a good preparatory,

00:46:24.900 --> 00:46:29.792
for some of these guys was we did I would do performance days oh what's that so,

00:46:30.652 --> 00:46:36.792
we would basically do a simulated tournament within you know within the time

00:46:36.792 --> 00:46:39.424
frame of the class of the class but,

00:46:40.051 --> 00:46:44.612
it would be you wouldn't be it's not like it was open mat where you're going

00:46:44.612 --> 00:46:46.122
like back-to-back rounds,

00:46:46.760 --> 00:46:52.222
you would do a round and then maybe you'd sit out one or sit down two and like

00:46:52.222 --> 00:46:56.282
kind of filtering in guys and you would get a different guy each time well obviously

00:46:56.282 --> 00:46:58.597
as different as you could get um,

00:46:59.550 --> 00:47:03.046
you know within just the makeup of who was there that day but you would you

00:47:03.046 --> 00:47:07.149
would compete and then you would sit on the sideline and watch someone else compete,

00:47:07.949 --> 00:47:12.426
maybe two rounds you'd compete again maybe three rounds compete again so kind

00:47:12.426 --> 00:47:15.873
of like simulating that like all right you're gonna have a five minute match,

00:47:16.413 --> 00:47:19.666
then you're gonna take a break then you're gonna have a five minute match then

00:47:19.666 --> 00:47:22.542
you're gonna take a break then you have a five minute match and like.

00:47:23.698 --> 00:47:27.436
You you know you still get decent number of rounds there you know maybe you

00:47:27.436 --> 00:47:31.676
get five five or six matches in in that time frame but like you also kind of

00:47:31.676 --> 00:47:37.496
get that experience of like being somewhat fresh each time like having the ability to recover,

00:47:38.216 --> 00:47:42.396
be fresh or like figure out oh no like i kind of over,

00:47:43.399 --> 00:47:47.676
recovered or i what i didn't quite like let myself get to,

00:47:48.316 --> 00:47:51.836
that point where i you know like kind of getting the brain right you're giving

00:47:51.836 --> 00:47:56.626
them the like the internal clock training of like in between tournament rounds

00:47:56.626 --> 00:47:58.938
or in between matches and tournament, you're going to have time off.

00:47:59.142 --> 00:48:02.474
Yeah. How you handle it, that's what we're going to practice, right? Like it's.

00:48:04.576 --> 00:48:07.636
Sometimes it's five minutes, sometimes it's 10 minutes, sometimes it's 20 minutes.

00:48:07.636 --> 00:48:09.186
You're probably not going to make your guys sit around for 20 minutes,

00:48:09.186 --> 00:48:11.666
but I get what you're saying and you're kind of like, you're like giving them

00:48:11.666 --> 00:48:13.927
these like physical cues of like what to expect.

00:48:15.076 --> 00:48:19.176
Like no, like hey, you can go all out in this match. You'll get five minutes.

00:48:19.256 --> 00:48:21.266
Because you're going to have time off Yeah, you'll have time to recover.

00:48:21.266 --> 00:48:23.685
Yeah, yeah. So the idea is, you go hard.

00:48:23.946 --> 00:48:27.929
I want you to go competition pace for your for your round,

00:48:28.840 --> 00:48:31.836
you're gonna have a break you don't have to hold back for the next one,

00:48:32.376 --> 00:48:36.896
you know or find out what pace you can maintain for all of these matches or

00:48:36.896 --> 00:48:41.866
hey maybe you might not have another match if you lose let's win you know like

00:48:41.866 --> 00:48:45.616
those kind of things like you're trying to win that's a good that's an interesting,

00:48:46.648 --> 00:48:48.611
yeah I like that I like that,

00:48:49.731 --> 00:48:54.932
I'd be curious to know like what dudes like Kale Sanderson do?

00:48:55.280 --> 00:48:58.583
Like, how do these, like, wrestling camps and, like, a very, like...

00:48:59.832 --> 00:49:00.551
Um.

00:49:02.566 --> 00:49:08.945
How do, I mean, wrestling being like the most established and like long running

00:49:08.945 --> 00:49:13.365
sport that's virtually the exact same insofar as like how we format,

00:49:13.365 --> 00:49:16.324
like this, the nature of the sport in the, in the, in the art.

00:49:16.939 --> 00:49:20.422
Um, and then how these guys train and prepare athletes for things like that.

00:49:20.625 --> 00:49:24.515
Now, by the time Cale Sanderson gets his hands on a guy, um, well, I don't know.

00:49:24.515 --> 00:49:27.759
I don't know if Cale does like anyone below like college age,

00:49:28.206 --> 00:49:32.935
but I'm assuming by the time i mean they have guys they have like high school age kids yeah but,

00:49:33.415 --> 00:49:37.135
yeah true so the team the program has something for that right but yeah yeah

00:49:37.135 --> 00:49:39.705
fair enough well so i but i still have to say like by the time these guys get

00:49:39.705 --> 00:49:40.854
to like these elite training

00:49:41.295 --> 00:49:45.295
environments like a penn state or his nittany lion wrestling club for like olympians

00:49:45.295 --> 00:49:48.975
and shit like these guys also probably have learned a fair amount about like the competition

00:49:49.341 --> 00:49:52.385
i mean the rhythms of competition they've been competing you don't just you

00:49:52.385 --> 00:49:56.475
don't walk on to kale's camp like right with with no background exactly so,

00:49:57.035 --> 00:49:59.390
So I'm just curious like how they would like keep,

00:50:00.307 --> 00:50:03.255
athletes or develop athletes.

00:50:03.575 --> 00:50:06.635
So maybe it's not a kale thing. Maybe it's sort of like, like what's like a

00:50:06.635 --> 00:50:12.025
youth to like high school, middle school ish age range where like they're probably

00:50:12.025 --> 00:50:15.085
still developing that skill set too.

00:50:15.085 --> 00:50:19.365
I'm curious what those guys do to teach these guys to be good competitors,

00:50:19.365 --> 00:50:20.775
not just good practitioners.

00:50:22.795 --> 00:50:27.785
Lots of live. Of course. Lots of live. I mean, lots of live is a big thing.

00:50:27.785 --> 00:50:32.960
Well, there's like, I guess one of my questions is, because I was like.

00:50:34.150 --> 00:50:36.877
Who was it the other day? I was watching like another coach.

00:50:37.736 --> 00:50:40.371
And I've heard Eddie Bravo talk about this. It was Wagner Hucham.

00:50:40.488 --> 00:50:49.422
I saw Wagner made a post a couple weeks ago on a recommendation for his competitors,

00:50:49.422 --> 00:50:53.346
like higher level guys, for how they get into a practice and how they.

00:50:54.396 --> 00:50:58.842
Train day in, day out, week in, week out with teammates to put themselves in

00:50:58.842 --> 00:51:00.851
a position to be like successful in competition.

00:51:01.293 --> 00:51:05.992
And basically the call to action, as I understood, it was that like if you're

00:51:05.992 --> 00:51:08.572
a black belt if you're a brown belt or whatever let's just say black and brown

00:51:08.572 --> 00:51:14.017
belts um the more advanced guys for for staying like sharp,

00:51:14.859 --> 00:51:20.496
for competitive abilities like the ability to execute in a competitive environment,

00:51:21.006 --> 00:51:25.042
would be to not just constantly go with all the black belts in the room because

00:51:25.042 --> 00:51:26.649
like some of those rounds like,

00:51:27.508 --> 00:51:30.412
you'll you'll battle out with these dudes and you might not score at all like

00:51:30.412 --> 00:51:34.281
it gets you out of the habit of like winning and executing because people are kind of just too good.

00:51:35.172 --> 00:51:38.942
Not that he's, obviously his call to action wasn't like ignore the black and brown belts.

00:51:38.942 --> 00:51:42.142
It was like, you don't need to make an entire practice out of just going with

00:51:42.142 --> 00:51:45.982
like the six or seven dudes who are like as good as you, better than you,

00:51:45.982 --> 00:51:48.342
and you just kind of like. Sometimes you have to practice winning,

00:51:48.342 --> 00:51:50.518
right? He was practicing, he was saying like, go with the blue belts.

00:51:51.149 --> 00:51:53.442
Go with the good blue belts. Go with the good purple belts. Like mix these guys

00:51:53.442 --> 00:51:55.252
in there. Yeah, you got to practice winning. You got to be able to go through

00:51:55.252 --> 00:51:58.392
the motions and like you can do things differently. These guys can play it differently

00:51:58.392 --> 00:52:01.128
with them, but it's important to do that. They benefit from it too.

00:52:01.623 --> 00:52:04.952
Um, but anyways, like I'm trying to connect that to like, um,

00:52:05.312 --> 00:52:09.712
how we format some of these practices where, um, if we're in a room together

00:52:09.712 --> 00:52:12.803
and we're running comp practices and, um.

00:52:14.068 --> 00:52:19.087
Treating a blue belt who's a newer but not a brand new athlete in general in

00:52:19.087 --> 00:52:25.741
jiu-jitsu um you know if they're in a good comp practice with like 10 black belts,

00:52:26.984 --> 00:52:31.267
or what just use an extreme example man like in those 10 black belts are also

00:52:31.267 --> 00:52:32.480
trying to train for competition,

00:52:33.478 --> 00:52:37.477
is that people just gonna get fucking hammered constantly i mean yeah that or

00:52:37.477 --> 00:52:40.328
you need to build you need to build,

00:52:41.286 --> 00:52:48.137
drills that allow yeah you build you build drills in games that give that person

00:52:48.137 --> 00:52:49.233
a fighting chance only you,

00:52:51.105 --> 00:52:56.175
that's where you have those games where the one side can never win.

00:52:56.453 --> 00:52:59.125
I get what you're saying. You know what I mean? I do know what you're saying.

00:52:59.785 --> 00:53:05.927
I started playing with that this week where the first half of our gamified drills,

00:53:06.740 --> 00:53:10.775
only the top player can win. Bottom player has no ability to win.

00:53:10.775 --> 00:53:12.696
There's no win condition for the bottom player.

00:53:13.160 --> 00:53:17.505
So the bottom player is still giving them a hard time, but no matter what, the top player will win.

00:53:19.563 --> 00:53:23.205
Um you still have to do it right yeah yeah but you have somebody who's not trying

00:53:23.205 --> 00:53:25.693
to sweep you on the bottom and so,

00:53:26.721 --> 00:53:29.645
you and you have to pass right like or something you know like i get what you're

00:53:29.645 --> 00:53:32.285
saying like the skill for that person could very much be just like be,

00:53:32.905 --> 00:53:36.065
a nuisance but the top person's eventually going to win yeah and like you're

00:53:36.065 --> 00:53:38.865
still developing skills there so that's one way to do it i like what you're

00:53:38.865 --> 00:53:41.389
what i'm hearing there bro is that let's say we modify like the,

00:53:41.882 --> 00:53:44.855
in an environment where like the bodies in the room are skewed in one direction

00:53:44.855 --> 00:53:49.375
versus the other you can tweak the the the objectives of drilling so the two

00:53:49.375 --> 00:53:51.785
parties involved even if there is a skill disparity,

00:53:52.261 --> 00:53:56.894
um can benefit from it i think you would also i think it also takes the,

00:53:57.846 --> 00:54:02.825
for like those newer those people who are the one who's the lower rank or the

00:54:02.825 --> 00:54:07.325
lower skill level it takes the sting of the loss off it does because they know

00:54:07.325 --> 00:54:08.925
they're supposed to lose eventually

00:54:09.285 --> 00:54:12.735
i see yeah i'm picking up what you're putting down some psychological no no

00:54:12.735 --> 00:54:15.775
no But it's also like, I mean, it's kind of just making good use of the time

00:54:15.775 --> 00:54:18.221
with the right bodies in the room and finding a way for everyone to gain,

00:54:19.385 --> 00:54:22.775
to gain something, which I think is the attitude we should always have when

00:54:22.775 --> 00:54:24.415
we're like engineering or practice anyways.

00:54:25.994 --> 00:54:30.135
It's not so easy to do, is it? It requires some thought, but it's a good exercise

00:54:30.135 --> 00:54:32.106
to try to get better at. Like, I like that you said that.

00:54:32.628 --> 00:54:36.075
I'd say that plus, it's like an and or perfect world scenario.

00:54:36.075 --> 00:54:39.455
Be like, can we get enough bodies of like solid blue belts?

00:54:40.524 --> 00:54:46.886
Ish and um give these guys enough bodies to kind of have um maybe the same you

00:54:46.886 --> 00:54:50.916
can even do the same thing but put the blue belts with the blue belts put the

00:54:50.916 --> 00:54:53.846
black belts with the black belts and then do some like mix and match in between

00:54:53.846 --> 00:54:55.170
or whatever but like give folks,

00:54:56.122 --> 00:54:59.116
kind of um yeah i mean it's gonna you know it's interesting i don't have the

00:54:59.116 --> 00:55:03.206
answer perfectly off the top of my head um i think it's just you gotta constantly

00:55:03.206 --> 00:55:08.005
experiment with like what provides the best i guess.

00:55:10.042 --> 00:55:14.472
It the the the job is to figure out like what what's your objective of this

00:55:14.472 --> 00:55:18.762
practice is to make like the the five black belts just even better at the cost

00:55:18.762 --> 00:55:21.372
of everyone else and everyone else still gains from it but,

00:55:21.883 --> 00:55:25.312
um are we skewing more towards those dudes or do we find a way to serve everybody

00:55:25.312 --> 00:55:30.372
i think finding a way to serve everybody is in my opinion the job and all i

00:55:30.372 --> 00:55:33.582
would argue it's probably a more complicated thing nut to crack

00:55:34.022 --> 00:55:37.082
but it's a worthwhile i think that i think you're right i think that's like

00:55:37.082 --> 00:55:41.042
the ideal scenario right like we would like to make the

00:55:41.442 --> 00:55:44.852
the practice about everybody we would like to raise kill everyone yeah we want

00:55:44.852 --> 00:55:48.542
to raise the the average caliber yeah yeah yeah we don't we don't want to just

00:55:48.542 --> 00:55:53.711
we don't want to just broaden the gap that's right we want to like bring the bottom up yep,

00:55:54.245 --> 00:55:59.226
like and you know heck if that means that like your black belts have to progress slower,

00:55:59.812 --> 00:56:03.417
but you can all of a sudden create this like massive slingshot for your blue belts,

00:56:04.229 --> 00:56:08.712
that might be that might be the ideal scenario right like as far as creating

00:56:08.712 --> 00:56:10.022
as far as elevating the team,

00:56:11.362 --> 00:56:14.342
um your black belts might be a little less

00:56:14.722 --> 00:56:18.192
enthused about it but whatever right well they probably won't be i mean they

00:56:18.192 --> 00:56:21.732
shouldn't be but like i think no matter yeah we're probably having a semantic

00:56:21.732 --> 00:56:25.032
conversation a little bit here but it's kind of a fun challenge to think through

00:56:25.032 --> 00:56:26.462
right it's like it's like a worthwhile,

00:56:27.142 --> 00:56:30.768
um challenge to try to, a problem to solve.

00:56:33.090 --> 00:56:37.130
Which is like, how can you make everyone better in some capacity,

00:56:37.432 --> 00:56:41.472
rather than just favoring one segment versus the other.

00:56:41.762 --> 00:56:45.032
But what I was going to say was like, no matter what we do, we're still training.

00:56:45.032 --> 00:56:47.962
So like everyone is going to get better, to your point.

00:56:48.282 --> 00:56:52.502
It's just all a matter of, and this is a very jujitsu thing these days.

00:56:52.902 --> 00:56:57.022
It's any competition team these days. I'm sure, like I'm sure Cale and his coaching

00:56:57.022 --> 00:56:59.659
staff we're constantly having conversations about how do we make every,

00:56:59.827 --> 00:57:01.000
how do we make this team even better?

00:57:01.313 --> 00:57:04.611
Yeah, basically that's the job. How do we make the whole team do better?

00:57:04.814 --> 00:57:09.262
I mean, I know one thing that's slightly different, and I think it's just because

00:57:09.262 --> 00:57:13.249
of the format of jiu-jitsu you know, where it's,

00:57:15.008 --> 00:57:19.144
a pay to play sport right like people are paying for a service to learn jiu-jitsu

00:57:19.144 --> 00:57:22.195
that's right but as far as like.

00:57:24.440 --> 00:57:28.237
Something that i know we did when i wrestled was,

00:57:29.200 --> 00:57:33.534
you aren't like learning moves which obviously you can't not just teach people

00:57:33.534 --> 00:57:40.114
stuff but like you weren't learning moves you were practicing your game and sometimes i mean,

00:57:40.886 --> 00:57:46.964
this is very competition based like in this thought process this thought but something that,

00:57:47.892 --> 00:57:55.124
you know we have to create scenarios for the competitor in in competition practices

00:57:55.124 --> 00:58:00.324
right this isn't necessarily for like class like a jujitsu class this is for

00:58:00.324 --> 00:58:02.161
like a training session a practice.

00:58:03.374 --> 00:58:11.034
Create scenarios for people to work their game into this into the situations,

00:58:11.654 --> 00:58:15.576
rather than forcing them to do things that they don't do um,

00:58:16.697 --> 00:58:21.774
like give in because there's time and place to teach them new things but sometimes

00:58:21.774 --> 00:58:30.114
you have to let them like figure out how to place put their game into the broad game like their their,

00:58:30.744 --> 00:58:35.344
their moves their whatever the things they like to do give them the ability

00:58:35.344 --> 00:58:38.749
to figure out how to execute those things and find like the,

00:58:39.109 --> 00:58:42.014
I mean, it's kind of like the CLA stuff. Yeah. Yeah.

00:58:42.923 --> 00:58:48.031
Same concept, but like put them in scenarios where the answer isn't obvious.

00:58:48.600 --> 00:58:54.782
Yeah. I'm just describing CLA, but you know, like give them the opportunity to.

00:58:56.081 --> 00:59:00.981
Create those funnel systems for hey you're in this scenario get to where you

00:59:00.981 --> 00:59:03.936
want to be get to where you need to be to win right like,

00:59:04.801 --> 00:59:10.191
and that's the game you don't need they don't need a bunch of moves to win a

00:59:10.191 --> 00:59:13.861
match yeah it's true they need to figure out how to get to their moves yeah

00:59:13.861 --> 00:59:15.557
yeah yeah i see what you're saying um,

00:59:16.051 --> 00:59:19.391
and what you said earlier still stands to where it's like you have to kind of

00:59:19.391 --> 00:59:21.315
look at the broader picture too of what,

00:59:21.767 --> 00:59:26.541
because it is it look dude like any martial art any jiu-jitsu gym scenario for

00:59:26.541 --> 00:59:30.171
the most part with perhaps there being some exceptions it's going to be different

00:59:30.171 --> 00:59:33.551
than someone showing up to like the nittany lion wrestling yeah well those guys

00:59:33.551 --> 00:59:35.502
are there like they're they're they don't,

00:59:36.448 --> 00:59:39.901
to my knowledge i don't think they work with people who aren't serious competitors

00:59:39.901 --> 00:59:42.561
i mean maybe maybe they do maybe there are people in the room who are supporting

00:59:42.561 --> 00:59:44.801
serious competitors but the culture of that training environment is like no

00:59:44.801 --> 00:59:47.367
we're getting guys ready for like ncaa championships

00:59:47.547 --> 00:59:50.701
well a lot of those guys international wrestling some of them are like they

00:59:50.701 --> 00:59:54.815
have professional competitive careers And so to your point, they have games.

00:59:55.511 --> 00:59:59.111
Now, I'm certain in that environment, there's still a great amount of learning

00:59:59.111 --> 01:00:01.701
going on too because these guys have to continue to evolve.

01:00:01.701 --> 01:00:09.601
But to your point, they are imposing their game on one another because that's

01:00:09.601 --> 01:00:12.039
the nature of the sport as it is in ours as well.

01:00:12.422 --> 01:00:15.151
But to differentiate that from jiu-jitsu where it's like, yeah,

01:00:15.151 --> 01:00:18.001
I mean, some people will want to do that and they may entirely just want to

01:00:18.001 --> 01:00:20.141
focus the way they train their jiu-jitsu on that.

01:00:21.198 --> 01:00:26.251
But the bulk of the student population and i say that intentionally student

01:00:26.251 --> 01:00:29.121
population they're going to want to come in there some of them just they may

01:00:29.121 --> 01:00:31.681
want to do a little bit of that but they still want to learn they still want

01:00:31.681 --> 01:00:34.288
to do other stuff because like the learning aspect,

01:00:34.961 --> 01:00:38.601
the being a student aspect is still like it's cool like i mean i still enjoy

01:00:38.601 --> 01:00:42.107
myself like there's still that um that element that.

01:00:43.204 --> 01:00:47.279
I don't think she'd be completely ignored. Also, in our environments,

01:00:47.279 --> 01:00:51.779
like, taking a step back, like, we're still talking, like, you know,

01:00:51.779 --> 01:00:54.089
you were talking about, like, your Masters fighting, but are we still a white belt?

01:00:54.089 --> 01:00:56.919
Like, we still have white belts. Like, these guys must continue to learn.

01:00:56.919 --> 01:01:00.569
Yeah. It's not necessarily, like, the time to just say, what's your game?

01:01:00.569 --> 01:01:02.320
That's what we're going to do from here on out.

01:01:02.715 --> 01:01:06.419
So we have to have a little bit more of a nuanced approach, but at the same

01:01:06.419 --> 01:01:09.609
time, I'm just curious about, like, some of the, and again, these are,

01:01:09.609 --> 01:01:13.889
like, extreme ends of the spectrum. I picked Cale Sanderson because he's the guy that I know.

01:01:14.469 --> 01:01:20.778
That is a good call out, though, that we are dealing with a spectrum of different,

01:01:21.428 --> 01:01:28.089
levels of competition, whereas Penn State's one level of competition, essentially. Sparta.

01:01:28.549 --> 01:01:30.789
Yeah, you're dealing with top-level

01:01:30.789 --> 01:01:33.249
only. Guys who want to win World Championship. Yeah, pretty much.

01:01:33.289 --> 01:01:36.339
You don't have to—well, I'm sure there's other types of stuff.

01:01:36.909 --> 01:01:38.109
I don't know how the business is set up, but I'm with you.

01:01:39.129 --> 01:01:44.939
At least the college room, the D1, Penn State D1 college wrestling team is just

01:01:44.939 --> 01:01:48.177
the D1 wrestling team. They're there to win. They don't have...

01:01:49.095 --> 01:01:52.237
They don't have white belts, blue belts. How do they have intro classes?

01:01:52.237 --> 01:01:53.757
I don't know, but I don't think they have intro classes.

01:01:53.757 --> 01:01:57.257
The kids' program. Maybe they do have a kids' program. Or at least an affiliation

01:01:57.257 --> 01:01:59.807
so they can legitimately sparta his eyes.

01:01:59.807 --> 01:02:04.857
I'm sure there's some sort of affiliated kids' program in college stations.

01:02:04.857 --> 01:02:07.927
But that's not what Cale's working on with his guys, right? Cale's not there

01:02:07.927 --> 01:02:14.337
saying that I don't think he is. You're right. They're not training alongside the kids' program.

01:02:14.517 --> 01:02:19.197
It's not training during the university practice, right?

01:02:19.197 --> 01:02:21.857
Yeah, yeah, a thousand. It's a different, you're right. It's a different constituency.

01:02:21.857 --> 01:02:25.917
Whereas you have a little bit, you actually do have some of that in jujitsu

01:02:25.917 --> 01:02:27.924
where like, especially like, you know,

01:02:28.522 --> 01:02:33.417
maybe there's some gyms that do have pro practices that are just the pro guys,

01:02:33.417 --> 01:02:37.857
but like during the 7 p.m.

01:02:37.857 --> 01:02:41.297
All levels class, you might still have your competitors training alongside the

01:02:41.297 --> 01:02:43.467
other guys and you have to provide value to both sides of that.

01:02:43.577 --> 01:02:46.677
That's right, that's right. Yeah, it's just a fun little exercise to think about,

01:02:46.677 --> 01:02:48.697
like, the theme of the practice, the theme of the group, like,

01:02:48.697 --> 01:02:53.025
the objective, what the broader goal is, how do we cultivate.

01:02:54.388 --> 01:02:57.690
The best use of everyone's time to get them ready for the objective on whatever

01:02:57.690 --> 01:03:01.820
date, whatever time, and whatever city for the tournament that we're talking

01:03:01.820 --> 01:03:05.380
about. Yeah. It's cool. Like, it's hard. It's not easy, but it's kind of a fun

01:03:05.380 --> 01:03:07.908
thing. I like it. Like, it's fun to think about all these different things.

01:03:08.076 --> 01:03:12.794
There's definitely something where, like, you could get into,

01:03:14.147 --> 01:03:16.231
like, the systems building.

01:03:16.980 --> 01:03:19.410
This is what we're talking about, a systems building. Yeah, because there's,

01:03:19.410 --> 01:03:21.980
like... The system that applies to the right group of people versus...

01:03:22.030 --> 01:03:26.720
And then, like, to your point earlier, it's like, well for that demo of guys

01:03:26.720 --> 01:03:30.450
who train with you at 5 30 or whatever time but like the guys who are like you know,

01:03:31.310 --> 01:03:35.376
we we alongside mike want to get ready for the virginia open and really be ready for it,

01:03:35.910 --> 01:03:40.430
versus someone who's like that's great i go to 5 30 class because that's when

01:03:40.430 --> 01:03:43.280
i'm available to go and i'm going to help you guys but it's not it's not really

01:03:43.280 --> 01:03:47.370
my objective necessarily and that person could do just as well in,

01:03:47.890 --> 01:03:51.830
the 5 30 class running that program or if they're busy that morning or whatever,

01:03:51.950 --> 01:03:53.770
and they're like, I can't, I'm gonna have to train at 6 p.m.

01:03:53.770 --> 01:03:55.940
The night, and they'll still benefit because the 6 p.m. class,

01:03:55.940 --> 01:03:59.037
even if it's structured differently for that guy.

01:03:59.908 --> 01:04:04.109
Makes sense but to flip that around to one of the other guys like what you talked

01:04:04.109 --> 01:04:04.941
about earlier where it's like,

01:04:05.522 --> 01:04:09.469
those dudes who are very specifically focused on winning the virginia open like

01:04:09.469 --> 01:04:12.579
it's in their best interest to want to really stick to your program until they

01:04:12.579 --> 01:04:16.039
get until they you know yeah we've done it and then they can take a breather

01:04:16.039 --> 01:04:18.570
for a minute and hit the 6 p.m class with a different coach say hi

01:04:18.808 --> 01:04:22.809
but for that fixed period of time and if they choose to do it they really it's not that like,

01:04:23.329 --> 01:04:26.109
it's never a bad thing if like something happens they text you and they're like,

01:04:26.109 --> 01:04:29.756
dude, can't make this morning, but I'm going to make up for it tonight at whatever class.

01:04:29.999 --> 01:04:32.459
I'm sure you're like, all right, hey. You're still going to get good training.

01:04:32.459 --> 01:04:35.429
You're still going to train. Yeah. But you know the best thing for them is like,

01:04:35.429 --> 01:04:38.089
hey, I totally get it, but like, hey, let's try to get to as many of these morning

01:04:38.089 --> 01:04:40.699
practices as possible. Well, it's purely because in the morning class,

01:04:40.699 --> 01:04:42.969
we had over 50% of the guys.

01:04:43.349 --> 01:04:45.809
Like all of them wanted to do it. 50% of the guys competing.

01:04:45.809 --> 01:04:50.639
So like, hey, it just makes sense to transition the training to that.

01:04:50.639 --> 01:04:54.369
Whereas in the evening class, I think they had like three of the guys were competing.

01:04:54.389 --> 01:04:59.069
Yeah, so it's totally fine. there's no you're not gonna restructure me it makes

01:04:59.069 --> 01:05:01.799
a lot less sense to restructure the entire and maybe even tell some of those

01:05:01.799 --> 01:05:04.519
guys hey wake up bright and early mike's got you covered some of them actually

01:05:04.519 --> 01:05:07.489
did i like that yeah they some of them actually were two of them that's a good,

01:05:07.949 --> 01:05:11.119
that's that speaks to like like what jason's down with the programming too and

01:05:11.119 --> 01:05:14.644
like the ability to like leverage you as the athlete who's competing who's like

01:05:14.871 --> 01:05:19.019
in it non-stop but jason can tell his guys like hey that's great like you should

01:05:19.019 --> 01:05:20.112
come to my class in the evening,

01:05:20.554 --> 01:05:24.339
keep doing that but do you really should go to Mike's too because he's providing

01:05:24.339 --> 01:05:26.521
the infrastructure to do this really well. I recommend that.

01:05:27.131 --> 01:05:31.862
So that's like good for like a good academy that has like a great kids program, bunch of like.

01:05:34.044 --> 01:05:37.329
I call them civilians, but like regular folks who want to train and,

01:05:38.166 --> 01:05:40.919
but still having the ability to say, yeah, we got all of this.

01:05:40.919 --> 01:05:44.041
Plus we got some serious guys in the morning. Like they're competing.

01:05:44.342 --> 01:05:47.947
That's a comp practice. Go to it. We offer that. We offer a good comp practice.

01:05:48.435 --> 01:05:52.269
Yeah, exactly. Most places don't do that. I'll tell you, I know of...

01:05:54.460 --> 01:06:00.271
Less than five gyms who really have comp practices in this area.

01:06:01.141 --> 01:06:04.742
Yeah. And I mean, we don't do them year round. They're hard to run.

01:06:05.082 --> 01:06:06.762
It's really tough to have that year round.

01:06:07.342 --> 01:06:09.862
It's hard to have a full time one year round. Yeah.

01:06:10.927 --> 01:06:13.922
You can do them one off or you can have like maybe one or two days a week or

01:06:13.922 --> 01:06:16.542
whatever. But like, yeah, I can tell you their names. Yeah.

01:06:17.682 --> 01:06:20.562
And I have to actually really think about it. I can think of like two off the

01:06:20.562 --> 01:06:22.369
top of my head that really do it.

01:06:24.221 --> 01:06:27.605
Two to four that really consistently do it um,

01:06:28.650 --> 01:06:33.992
yeah yeah it's it's it's fairly complicated well a lot of times you'll see complicated

01:06:33.992 --> 01:06:36.504
i suppose yes it's not that complicated you just have to like,

01:06:37.212 --> 01:06:40.322
keep doing it commit you just got to commit to doing it and then you have like

01:06:40.322 --> 01:06:43.762
the problem where like a guy gets hurt and then like now your group's down to

01:06:44.082 --> 01:06:48.182
keep it shrinks because if you guys get injured or like it just depends on the

01:06:48.182 --> 01:06:52.061
how many bodies you have in there to where you can maintain it,

01:06:52.711 --> 01:06:57.432
even around like people's lives and injuries and stuff like that if you don't

01:06:57.432 --> 01:07:00.972
have enough people then it's hard to if you only have like,

01:07:01.610 --> 01:07:06.882
a smaller set of guys yeah and you're trying to like line all these schedules

01:07:06.882 --> 01:07:09.289
up it's kind of tough yeah but if you have,

01:07:09.800 --> 01:07:15.262
you know 30 guys yeah you can almost always feel the practice you can have one

01:07:15.262 --> 01:07:18.142
or two people yeah yeah You know, where if half of them show up,

01:07:18.142 --> 01:07:19.402
you still have a good room. Yeah.

01:07:19.702 --> 01:07:22.420
But if you only have 10 guys and half of them show up, now, like,

01:07:22.873 --> 01:07:26.842
your room's getting— It's 10% less. Yeah. I see what you're saying, for sure.

01:07:27.262 --> 01:07:32.254
Now, my counter to that, for what it's worth, would be, like,

01:07:32.811 --> 01:07:34.129
the good coach can manage that.

01:07:34.338 --> 01:07:36.662
We'll still find a way, much like what we said earlier, to, like,

01:07:36.662 --> 01:07:40.236
bring the best out of the room for that unit of time. Yeah.

01:07:41.287 --> 01:07:44.003
But what I would also say is, like, I mean, this is, like, kind of shout out

01:07:44.003 --> 01:07:45.303
to our friend Tim of High Noon.

01:07:45.303 --> 01:07:51.993
Like, he's been running a proper pro comp practice at High Noon for Sundays.

01:07:51.993 --> 01:07:56.063
I think he may have moved the timing around a little bit, but it still runs it every Sunday, man.

01:07:56.063 --> 01:08:01.133
Unless he's out at a tournament for a couple of years.

01:08:01.133 --> 01:08:03.833
And it's well attended. Like, people come from all over to go to it.

01:08:03.833 --> 01:08:06.983
It being open, I think, helps a lot, too. Well, yeah. Yeah, I mean,

01:08:06.983 --> 01:08:11.313
he invites competitors. He's like, hey, like, it'll make my guys better. and it's good for him.

01:08:14.618 --> 01:08:19.713
It shows the quality of his program to the world and certainly to our community

01:08:19.713 --> 01:08:22.769
when people want to go there from other academies.

01:08:23.413 --> 01:08:27.773
Excuse me. So I think it's a credit to what they do and it gives him a chance

01:08:27.773 --> 01:08:29.493
to kind of see other people, absorb some data.

01:08:31.013 --> 01:08:35.923
It puts him in the game to do this stuff and no surprise, he and Maya and the

01:08:35.923 --> 01:08:38.223
rest of his squad, they do very well when they compete.

01:08:38.223 --> 01:08:44.328
Yeah so it's like you see the results um and you see the commitment but um,

01:08:46.058 --> 01:08:51.091
yeah like i think it does require it's it's extra work um for most of these most,

01:08:52.032 --> 01:08:58.523
academies aren't paying the bills on competitions usually competitors don't

01:08:58.523 --> 01:09:02.683
usually pay the bills yeah they they they usually don't but it's it's kind of

01:09:02.683 --> 01:09:06.611
like it's i i look at it more as like a branding thing good for the brand it's good to,

01:09:07.238 --> 01:09:11.833
do it it's like a it puts your your your academy on the map there's like a pin

01:09:11.833 --> 01:09:14.933
that like people like oh cool like i want to go check that out it makes the

01:09:14.933 --> 01:09:19.726
entire environment better so it still helps the business but it's it's like a bit of extra like,

01:09:20.944 --> 01:09:25.513
passion it's a bit of it's like a passion play which does benefit the people

01:09:25.513 --> 01:09:30.743
doing that but um it's it's more work man you definitely have to enjoy i've

01:09:30.743 --> 01:09:31.974
talked to i've talked to a.

01:09:34.352 --> 01:09:39.641
Veteran big name jiu-jitsu like og brazilian brazilian jiu-jitsu black belts

01:09:39.641 --> 01:09:43.774
who um i'll tell you who've told me in confidence like man i stopped doing competition

01:09:44.047 --> 01:09:46.729
practices i stopped being a competition gym because it was,

01:09:48.268 --> 01:09:51.442
The highs and lows, and like the competitors always blame you.

01:09:51.658 --> 01:09:53.939
They never blame themselves. He's like, if something goes and go with it,

01:09:53.939 --> 01:09:55.829
they'll do really well. They'll win a bunch of medals under me.

01:09:55.829 --> 01:09:59.039
And then like one thing goes wrong and they blame me for it and they run.

01:09:59.039 --> 01:10:01.009
Obviously, it just became too much of a pain in my ass. I've heard this story

01:10:01.009 --> 01:10:02.680
multiple times. I'm not going to name any names.

01:10:03.173 --> 01:10:07.393
But I've had people talk me out of it, try to talk me out of it.

01:10:08.984 --> 01:10:13.721
I'm sympathetic to it because I've had, you know, I've talked about this on the show.

01:10:14.115 --> 01:10:16.999
I wrote about it in my book that I am working on.

01:10:16.999 --> 01:10:20.909
Oh breaking news one day there will be a book for you people to read but i talked

01:10:20.909 --> 01:10:24.779
about this uh i have a couple chapters on this um on like people coming and

01:10:24.779 --> 01:10:27.270
going it's normal yeah you get used to it but,

01:10:28.069 --> 01:10:33.395
um yeah so i'm sympathetic to to what the dudes um who have told me this,

01:10:33.945 --> 01:10:36.829
put out there but again like you said you have to like it and i like it you

01:10:36.829 --> 01:10:40.789
know like i i i want to continue doing it i can tell tim likes it he really

01:10:40.789 --> 01:10:44.297
likes it he's a competitive guy right like so he's i I think he loves the game.

01:10:46.026 --> 01:10:48.591
And the others in our community who do a good job at it, similar.

01:10:50.270 --> 01:10:52.889
But yeah, bro, it's like this.

01:10:55.146 --> 01:10:58.529
We spent hours talking about it on this podcast. We spent this entire podcast

01:10:58.529 --> 01:11:03.323
today talking about the subtleties of all the thought and detail that we put into these things.

01:11:03.949 --> 01:11:06.109
You gotta like it. You gotta be a little crazy about it. Yeah,

01:11:06.109 --> 01:11:09.399
I mean, we've just spent like an hour, right?

01:11:09.399 --> 01:11:12.889
Not to mention, this is basically, the it's not the entirety of the fighter

01:11:12.889 --> 01:11:19.079
drinking coffee um meta but it's uh i bet 80 of what we talked about yeah on

01:11:19.079 --> 01:11:22.102
the show is like little details of of this variety,

01:11:22.915 --> 01:11:26.879
um right i don't know anything pretty much i mean we didn't we didn't have to

01:11:26.879 --> 01:11:30.089
put the if we put up the button for when we brought up competition it would

01:11:30.089 --> 01:11:34.449
have been like right off the rip well i mean it was competition it was a whole episode,

01:11:35.089 --> 01:11:38.689
but that's my point but you know this is just all we talk about This is like

01:11:38.689 --> 01:11:40.376
definitely way. Almost all that we talk about.

01:11:40.591 --> 01:11:45.239
It's definitely a little bit deeper behind, like, almost a little more of like

01:11:45.239 --> 01:11:47.522
a behind the curtain type thing, right? Like,

01:11:49.171 --> 01:11:53.829
We talk a lot about ourselves and competing, which is normal.

01:11:53.829 --> 01:11:58.185
Like that's a, it is a selfish endeavor to compete. We've talked about that before.

01:11:59.920 --> 01:12:05.719
We haven't talked as much about this, which is like the things that go into

01:12:05.719 --> 01:12:09.589
it for other, like as, yeah, trying to coach, as a coach, trying to coach.

01:12:09.589 --> 01:12:14.319
Yeah. Success kind of reviewing like, oh, well, like we did these things.

01:12:14.319 --> 01:12:15.774
These are the results we got.

01:12:16.128 --> 01:12:21.312
But, I mean, basically, the people who trained the most were the most prepared.

01:12:21.846 --> 01:12:26.281
Spoiler, you know, shocker. I know, right? There's a bit of a duh to it.

01:12:26.890 --> 01:12:34.419
But you very easily find, like, the chinks in your programming,

01:12:34.419 --> 01:12:36.459
your practices, and stuff like that.

01:12:36.459 --> 01:12:41.729
Like, when you have that many people training and competing from the same gym,

01:12:41.729 --> 01:12:47.119
doing the same programming, I mean, you can almost pinpoint when you look back

01:12:47.119 --> 01:12:49.439
at what you guys did to prepare, you can pinpoint,

01:12:50.215 --> 01:12:52.339
what you did wrong, where,

01:12:53.175 --> 01:12:55.179
the holes in the programs,

01:12:55.972 --> 01:12:59.582
the things that, hey, we need to keep these.

01:12:59.827 --> 01:13:03.679
We need to keep our scenario training. We need to keep putting ourselves in,

01:13:04.419 --> 01:13:11.539
those stressful positions, and then we need to reinforce these things that we didn't execute well.

01:13:12.079 --> 01:13:16.799
And you very quickly find out like oh like here's the things we did wrong here's

01:13:16.799 --> 01:13:21.619
the things we did right in a stress tested situation where.

01:13:23.168 --> 01:13:26.839
There's nothing you can't hide it that's right there's no hiding what you did

01:13:26.839 --> 01:13:28.428
wrong and right in these scenarios.

01:13:30.053 --> 01:13:33.939
Um so i mean it just let it just keeps making you better and it's yeah it's

01:13:33.939 --> 01:13:36.639
the same thing that you would do for yours that we do for ourselves.

01:13:36.639 --> 01:13:42.209
And we've talked about it on the podcast of like the review of your own successes

01:13:42.209 --> 01:13:48.740
and failures in competition and amplifies it to a point where it's like, oh no, like,

01:13:50.214 --> 01:13:55.183
Things that I thought would be good because it would have helped me don't help

01:13:55.183 --> 01:14:02.083
everyone, right? And so you almost, like, really see the big picture of your training regimen.

01:14:04.000 --> 01:14:07.723
And it's kind of cool. It is cool. It's a fun job. But, yeah,

01:14:08.083 --> 01:14:10.813
if people listening, I guess you're right, a little snapshot.

01:14:10.813 --> 01:14:15.803
And, like, the coach analysis, all the different, like, little pieces on the

01:14:15.803 --> 01:14:17.263
map you're trying to, like, put together.

01:14:17.426 --> 01:14:20.453
And then actually, like, what I'm actually going to do when we're done recording

01:14:20.453 --> 01:14:26.713
this is then you also look back at each individual and you do things like review

01:14:26.713 --> 01:14:30.035
their film, discuss with them, like, what you saw,

01:14:31.411 --> 01:14:34.423
outside of, like, what you would tell them right there in the moment, right? Yeah.

01:14:34.483 --> 01:14:37.073
Like, you're not going to give them the full, you're not going to give everyone

01:14:37.073 --> 01:14:40.977
the full, like, download right after the match. Right.

01:14:41.220 --> 01:14:45.003
Sometimes you got to give them, you know, in this case, like, five days.

01:14:45.063 --> 01:14:49.163
Mm-hmm. actually just had a guy calling me it's like you know a little breather

01:14:49.163 --> 01:14:52.273
five you know a couple days you're just like hey like all right i'm gonna review

01:14:52.273 --> 01:14:56.422
your film then we'll hop on the phone and we'll talk about it yep so um,

01:14:57.165 --> 01:15:01.972
you know and so sometimes you also have that aspect of it from a coaching standpoint um,

01:15:03.243 --> 01:15:06.843
but i think i think we did it i think we did i think i'm gonna give this will

01:15:06.843 --> 01:15:10.683
be a quick combat confession oh fuck yeah i can't forget about that uh this

01:15:10.683 --> 01:15:15.341
one's not gonna to be as funny but we'll make it funny we can laugh about it.

01:15:17.309 --> 01:15:27.061
So combat confessions this one was at a competition person's winning they get their arm trapped.

01:15:28.507 --> 01:15:32.150
Go to escape. Escape they do thousands of times. And then pop,

01:15:32.150 --> 01:15:33.150
pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop.

01:15:33.890 --> 01:15:38.570
Yeah, so I tore up something. This is your combat confession.

01:15:38.630 --> 01:15:40.199
And it's my combat confession.

01:15:41.190 --> 01:15:42.330
It's still very funny to me.

01:15:43.530 --> 01:15:46.770
I think it's funny. It's been long enough that I think it's funny.

01:15:47.310 --> 01:15:50.110
A couple days is enough time. About 40 hours. Well, you know,

01:15:50.110 --> 01:15:55.052
it's feeling better. I look like Popeye right now. It's not that inflamed.

01:15:55.550 --> 01:15:58.090
My hand looks insane. It's inflamed. No, no, it's definitely inflamed.

01:15:58.470 --> 01:16:02.924
It's not that inflamed. No, my arm looks a lot better, but my hand.

01:16:03.255 --> 01:16:05.980
You got a fat hand. You got a Chef Boyardee hand. Yeah, it's wild.

01:16:05.980 --> 01:16:10.407
Or the hamburger helper, my big fat ass hand. Oh, that's a good one.

01:16:11.130 --> 01:16:14.990
I'm like, got like a, it was a lot worse before.

01:16:15.410 --> 01:16:19.910
I legit looked like Popeye, but like my hand is insane right now.

01:16:20.490 --> 01:16:25.308
It looks like the hand of someone who's at least 100 pounds heavier than me.

01:16:25.476 --> 01:16:29.550
Yeah, you're, yes. I got some nice meaty mitts right now. You're obese left hand.

01:16:29.930 --> 01:16:36.256
But yeah, so in my match, I got doing an escape that I've done hundreds of times.

01:16:37.390 --> 01:16:41.420
The guy's grip was just, I basically pulled my arm out and my muscles stayed,

01:16:41.420 --> 01:16:45.004
I guess. And it sounded like a rolling pin over bubble wrap.

01:16:45.492 --> 01:16:47.997
And it kind of felt like that too.

01:16:48.492 --> 01:16:52.250
Nice. So yeah, that's my combat confession. I ripped my own arm. You did.

01:16:53.130 --> 01:16:55.250
And now have puffy hands.

01:16:57.110 --> 01:17:00.790
So you know I would have done another one but we went a little longer on this

01:17:00.790 --> 01:17:04.970
one so I don't want to stretch you guys too long we know how long you listen

01:17:04.970 --> 01:17:11.250
to the show you're going to listen to every second of this because it kind of crescendos it does it,

01:17:12.290 --> 01:17:18.480
is what do you want to do with the confession real quick before we let you go um I mean,

01:17:19.687 --> 01:17:25.048
getting tips for the listeners uh my tip is don't do things you don't normally do um,

01:17:26.119 --> 01:17:33.048
that was i i the reason i had to do this escape i do a lot was because i tried

01:17:33.048 --> 01:17:38.681
to get my arms out in a way i normally wouldn't get my arms out and so uh okay

01:17:38.809 --> 01:17:40.980
stick to stick to your game playing yeah um.

01:17:42.868 --> 01:17:48.611
Yeah i don't know i don't know stick stick to don't try new shit Don't try new shit.

01:17:50.690 --> 01:17:55.678
Yeah. Well, I guess to add the actual funny part of the combat confession is...

01:17:55.808 --> 01:17:59.322
Tell me, what's the funniest part? Well, so, get injured.

01:18:00.286 --> 01:18:04.222
The ref asked me, he was obviously going to, he asked me if I needed a medic. I say no.

01:18:04.680 --> 01:18:09.888
I look it over towards you and Jason, and I'm like, we need to go to them.

01:18:09.888 --> 01:18:13.368
You're like, med table. Yeah, you're like us, big eyes. We're sitting at the

01:18:13.368 --> 01:18:20.156
med table. Well, the dude's, like, wrapping me up, and I look at Jason, and I go, so open class.

01:18:23.233 --> 01:18:25.858
Hey, the medic said he would tape me up. He said I could do it,

01:18:25.858 --> 01:18:28.708
so, you know. Yeah, he was having fun. He was like, you can do it.

01:18:29.148 --> 01:18:30.128
Dude had a good sense of humor.

01:18:30.648 --> 01:18:35.348
I mean, I would hope so. I don't think you could deal with all the knuckleheads

01:18:35.348 --> 01:18:37.426
that come and visit him at those things.

01:18:37.873 --> 01:18:42.368
I go back to get my, I had to get it cut off because, like, the stretch wrap,

01:18:42.368 --> 01:18:43.931
like, rolled up, and I couldn't unwind it.

01:18:44.130 --> 01:18:47.584
I go back and there's a dude like getting put on crutches and like.

01:18:48.929 --> 01:18:52.256
I was probably, I was one of the better for wear dudes.

01:18:53.556 --> 01:18:57.736
For sure. And I guess to add on to this, the day before I did open class,

01:18:58.576 --> 01:19:02.136
I thought I finally got lucky and didn't get the biggest dude in the division.

01:19:02.556 --> 01:19:06.826
I got a super heavy instead of an ultra heavy. And I was like,

01:19:06.826 --> 01:19:08.876
sweet. Because it was like 7 p.m.

01:19:09.556 --> 01:19:11.551
If I got the ultra heavy, I was probably going to go home.

01:19:12.619 --> 01:19:15.956
I was like, I'm not doing this again. Ah, brother. I did this last year.

01:19:15.956 --> 01:19:19.646
I don't want to get laid on by a 300-pound man again. Yeah. and uh i was like

01:19:19.646 --> 01:19:23.446
all right well you know super heavy it's a little bit lighter it's like 222

01:19:23.446 --> 01:19:27.394
that's not that bad it's not as bad as unlimited um,

01:19:27.991 --> 01:19:33.656
fight power fighting for the opportunity to go against the ultra heavy uh this

01:19:33.656 --> 01:19:37.356
dude was definitely he was he was jacked as shit,

01:19:37.956 --> 01:19:40.397
he was a big he was a big boy um,

01:19:41.139 --> 01:19:46.043
and so i get out there i'm like i guess this is a guess we're doing this again,

01:19:46.916 --> 01:19:51.616
uh however i mean it wasn't that bad it really wasn't that bad he just was on

01:19:51.616 --> 01:19:53.050
top of me the whole time but.

01:19:54.496 --> 01:19:58.206
I almost reversed him a few times all right the the seam workouts are working

01:19:58.206 --> 01:20:01.856
the bridges are working but he did did rough up my face a little bit i got some

01:20:01.856 --> 01:20:05.096
nice little gee burn on my face yeah that's something that's nothing compared to yeah,

01:20:05.716 --> 01:20:08.786
e-burn no big deal a big deal no one ever prescribed you six to eight weeks

01:20:08.786 --> 01:20:12.723
for a gee burn no no one prescribed me six to eight weeks for my arm. Even better.

01:20:13.199 --> 01:20:15.835
I still think the bro science says two weeks. You know what?

01:20:16.340 --> 01:20:20.176
When this, well, actually, a week after this episode drops, you're going to

01:20:20.176 --> 01:20:22.976
see me training again. I like that. You know.

01:20:24.296 --> 01:20:28.456
We got shit to do, man. We can't spend all your time being injured. I've got pans.

01:20:29.516 --> 01:20:32.686
I already signed up. I have to go. You're going to pans. You know what?

01:20:32.696 --> 01:20:38.196
Especially, hey, if there's, if it's a four-man bracket and I'm still injured, I'll go.

01:20:39.136 --> 01:20:43.570
Yeah. I'll go tap out. I've already paid the money. It's true.

01:20:43.831 --> 01:20:49.436
They, by the way, IBJJF, unless you have an ink signature on your doctor's note,

01:20:49.436 --> 01:20:52.277
it has to be an ink signature. It can't be a scan.

01:20:54.425 --> 01:20:57.443
They won't refund you. Damn, bro. Yeah, maybe.

01:20:58.803 --> 01:21:02.463
Okay. It's good to know, right? Yeah, they don't like refunds. They'll do vouchers.

01:21:02.463 --> 01:21:05.463
They'll do vouchers for other events. I've noticed that. I just know that they

01:21:05.463 --> 01:21:10.244
did not refund Big John when he literally sliced his face up,

01:21:11.788 --> 01:21:13.873
which that could be a combat confession.

01:21:13.873 --> 01:21:15.763
John, I'm going to get your blessing before I do it, though.

01:21:15.763 --> 01:21:20.173
Yeah. But they did not give him, because he had the scanned doctor's note.

01:21:20.173 --> 01:21:25.812
Oh, that's crazy. They did not give him his refund, but yeah,

01:21:26.289 --> 01:21:27.753
that was our comeback confession.

01:21:27.753 --> 01:21:37.034
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