Menagerie on the Mats pt 2: Steroid Guys, Substitute Teachers & Gym Characters (episode 78)

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Welcome back to Fire's Drinking Coffee. We are your hosts with a 40 years of

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combined grappling experience.

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Oh, Scott Dance. And Michael Sutherland, and we are here to help make your jujitsu

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just a little bit better. And today we're hoping to make you maybe laugh a little bit.

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So we're bringing you part two of the menagerie on the mats.

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We've got our tarot cards of the usual suspects at every single gym.

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Oh, man, that would have been a better fucking name.

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We have time to fuck around with it if we want. Well, you know,

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we can always change it. We're only on part two.

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But we've got the deck here in front of us, and we're going to start unleashing

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them. And we all know this guy.

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This one, every single gym has some form of them, and probably more than one.

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The steroid guy. Steroid guy. Oh, yeah. We all have the steroid guy.

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There's different levels of this, too. Sometimes it's the guy who's just hopped on TRT.

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That's, like, innocent. Yeah, sometimes. Compared to proper steroids.

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Well, yes, you're right. Sometimes, you know, they're doing it.

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There's a therapeutic and recreational dose of TRT. When I was in Kentucky,

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there were so many dudes, not on TRT, but on, like, hardcore juice,

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dude. Like there's so many just meat mountains.

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Are you talking about back when you trained in Kentucky? Dinosaur huge dudes. Yeah, back in Kentucky.

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I wasn't sure if this was just a recent visit. No. You're just like,

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dude, I went to Kentucky. There's dudes on TRT everywhere. No,

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I mean, I'm sure there are plenty guys on TRT too, but this was like,

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I mean, that was also like, this was in 2005 through like 2008 or so-ish.

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Oh, yeah. I mean, TRT VTour wasn't even a thing yet.

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TRT, I'm sure it was around, but it wasn't like culturally normal for like older

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bros who just want to keep their shit nice and healthy.

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Well, yeah, TRT was just steroids. like that was what it was referred to as

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back then sure but like we weren't it wasn't normal replacement therapy as administered

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by a doctor did exist it's just a lot more common now right yeah um but i knew

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i knew giant dudes who just like abused actual like probably illegal steroids

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or whatever and they were they were just fucking total units man like huge guys um.

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Usually they were fine they weren't like you know psychopaths as well they were just gigantic um,

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they almost always got really tired because as huge as they were i guess like

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the conditioning hadn't caught up but they would just be like giant like blocks of meat,

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who you would like you'd touch them and they it felt like touching like metal or like stone um,

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very strong very rigidly strong um,

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now we can get into like this doesn't have to be about them but it can be about any steroid person.

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Uh people but um in my experience like usually like generally really like really

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like static rigid strength generally um i don't know if it's like an it's like

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sort of like you know you like,

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you the good and bad of steroids um and i'm sure this can be reconciled i fully

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believe that if you pump some steroids into a person everything probably gets

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a little bit better but um in my experience like the steroid dudes maybe because they feel so like,

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strong and they perhaps rely on that because now they have so much of like just

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raw strength yeah i mean you don't need a whole lot when you know like,

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you're doing your building character right when you're doing on strength how

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much do you really need of everything for everything else

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well i think you need a little bit but like they i only have so many generally

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find that they like they get so rigid strong that they become like a box and

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you kind of just move around the box

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um i have no problem with steroid guys,

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um they don't really bother me they're just big and they're strong um which is great.

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It's funny it's funny like when you go like you see a person and like i saw

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this a lot in kentucky and you'll see it now too here but someone just goes

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from like fairly normal normal athletic and then like over the course of one

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or two or three months or four months or five months they start to like have like a,

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pretty noticeable physical transformation i'm like you know man your skin's

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looking a little purple they gain a lot of weight you really like

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yes all of a sudden they're like 20 pounds heavier composition changes maybe

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some maybe it's not always 20 pounds maybe it's like 10 to 12 but it's like

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a good 10 to 12 and like the traps are in the delts are in like the chest is full

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things like they start to like the they they're,

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i also telling you how they're working out like three times a day a lot of them

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will tell you if they're on trt most of the guys are kind of like kind of find

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up about it like the like it's almost like everyone else to do it too they're

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kind of like dude this is awesome you should do it people on trt,

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are the best marketing for trt because they tell it works everyone they're like

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bro you should really go get your numbers tested,

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they start to believe that everyone's low and yeah well like bro you really

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need to go get your testosterone checked out because you know like you probably

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need trt everyone needs trt just so you know.

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Yeah, they do get fired up about it, but I bet it's because they're really enjoying it.

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Oh, yeah, I mean, but, um, I've seen, the guys, I know quite a few dudes on it, and they're,

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They, I mean, they're a pretty good billboard for it.

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Totally. They look awesome. They seem pretty healthy, pretty happy.

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But my reason for kind of like, I guess, differentiating, like,

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because we just said steroid, guys.

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It's like, there's like the, because I consider almost like,

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TRT is definitely steroids.

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But it's definitely different than like the bodybuilding steroids and like DECA,

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TRN. Yeah. Well, and you have like. Like the shit that we like you're doing

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because you're like, it's not just the testosterone replacement.

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I want to go freak mode. Like you want to go full. Which is different.

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I want to really push this to a level that's beyond natural.

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Sure, sure. Well, it's different. Yeah, which is different than.

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And again, I don't really care one or the other. I mean, yes.

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It's different than when a guy who's like 47 is like, I think I'm going to get

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my levels tested. I'm going to get like a couple reasonable doses a month or

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a week, whatever it is, of TRT.

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I mean, you. And like feel good about it. And they look and they have the noticeable

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awesome adaptation and growth or whatever.

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But they're not like mutants dude well there's also if you go on trt there's

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i mean it is a lifelong commitment to be on trt as well so like once you're

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on it you can't yeah you can't like you shouldn't un be on it we're not doctors

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no but it's as it's been you can't like push it to the level that like because there is no cycling

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if you're doing it at that,

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yeah if you're doing it therapeutically like you don't cycle trt like you like

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dudes who do steroids they can cycle it You fucking push it,

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and then you go off for a little bit.

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Then you push it, and then you go off. You know what I'm saying? A little bit different.

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It's a lot different. Very different. Well, I think that's what it's worth saying, right? Yeah.

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Yeah. It's a...

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You know, and, like, I suppose we're ripe for that in this space because,

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like, you know, a lot of dudes are doing jiu-jitsu. It's still a dude-dominant,

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you know, environment, right? There's a lot of ladies in it.

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Cool. But there's so many, like...

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Aged guys who like grizzled vets who were like you know man i think i think

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i will take a little bit of that test well and also punch that in there and

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keep training with the 20 year olds for a while it's also suit well yeah one

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that's actually a good point too that the the output level is pretty high like

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it's a lot of it's a it's a pretty good toll on the body especially after a

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long like a long time of doing it

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especially if you're keeping up

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with strength and conditioning multiple training sessions a day and like

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to really push that especially as you get more advanced in age,

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for some guys it's hard without like a little extracurricular help um,

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and it's super normalized at the top you know top level of the sport even with

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younger dudes i mean heck they were they were popping dudes at worlds that are like 18 years old,

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so you know and,

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in some some academies is coming out that they're pushing it on to teenagers

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no way oh I can't believe it Michael I can't believe they did that,

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What academies So we know to stay away from them,

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I believe I believe that was Melky Galvao is one You don't say Pretty much anywhere

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there's a shit ton It's up to no good.

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It's almost like anywhere there's a shit ton Of world champions being pumped

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out They might be pushing the Bomba, the acai On the teenagers The Bomba You know, it's...

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It's par from the course. I guess that's just what we do here. Par from the course.

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That's just the name of the game. But, you know, it's also very normalized in

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the sport. So, you know, it's...

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It is what it is. You get used to it. Guys are like, well, fuck it. Gordon Ryan does it.

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Craig Jones does it. Why can't I do it? Yeah.

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Just to beat up on the guys in the gym. It doesn't... It's not...

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To be clear, just because you did some tests, it's not going to make you Gordon

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or Craig for that matter. It will not make up for...

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Skills but it doesn't mean you can't also feel pretty nice when you're on the

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mat for all the reasons you stated earlier it will make you feel the good recovery

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it will very likely make you feel

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amazing you want to feel like you're 23 again dude like be my guest uh,

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yeah you know you do you just you do you it really isn't gonna,

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hurt any well it doesn't hold up sure well i'm gonna i'm gonna caveat that statement

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because there have been instances where it has been a problem for the people

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that aren't doing it, but... Do you have stories?

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There's a shit ton of, like... Oh, I mean, I know what you're saying.

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You're not wrong. The roid rage stories are, like, you know,

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the guy pushed a little too far and now they're, you know, beating their wives.

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Not necessarily in the jujitsu space. I don't know, but, like...

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You're talking about Chris Benoit, dude?

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Chris Benoit was because of CTE. Plus steroids, I'm sure.

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Probably also steroids. You put it all together. I'm sure we can look at a lot

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of the old school professional wrestlers uh but no there was um,

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ah shoot what's their name it was a bodybuilding couple and they used to like

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beat the shit out of each other when they would go on because they were like both,

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in the professional bodybuilding circuit and they would like,

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They would have roid rage fucking wars at home and get the cops called and shit.

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That's just like Mr. and Mrs. Smith, though, dude. That's just like two mouths.

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The tough female and the tough guy that's going to beat the fuck out of each other.

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We're not endorsing this sort of thing. Don't do that to each other.

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That sounds like family stuff to me. I'm just saying. It's just some family business.

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What happens between a husband and wife behind closed doors,

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as long as they're both beating the shit out of each other.

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And I think they were both on steroids, so it sounds like it's a fair fight.

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Yeah, well, you know, I'm just saying that it is not necessarily...

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I was just wanting to make sure I add the caveat that, like,

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I am very aware that there have been victims... I think what you're saying is,

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steroids may or may not have... Sometimes they have side effects.

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They absolutely have negative side effects. It could 10x whoever you were already.

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Yeah, so, like... If you were already a maniac, violent psychopath...

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Yeah, if you're already a piece of shit, it's going to make you even a bigger piece of shit.

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A bigger piece of shit. Yeah, so I think that might be, you know...

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Use with caution. Maybe we should interview a steroid guy and be like, well, respond to that.

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She's like, you were already a piece of shit. Don't blame him on my steroids.

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Steroids are awesome. It wasn't the steroids that made me...

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I was already an asshole. I was already a bad guy. Sure, it made me more capable

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of doing bad guy stuff, but...

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The steroids aren't the criminal here. It was me. That's right.

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So yeah, the steroid guy. We all have one. Oh yeah. Or two.

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Or five. or whatever. Everyone has a steroid.

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We are lumping in the TRT guys even though it's just... They're technically

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steroid guys. They're the steroid guys too. They're just a therapeutic versus

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a recreational guy. Sure, 100%. Whatever. There is a difference.

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You're taking exogenous hormones to increase your performance whether or not

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that's beyond a normal level or not. Debatable. That's up to you.

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Heck the TRT guys are still pretty I have no problem with them they're fine

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I'm just saying they still are slightly above normal oh yeah they feel they

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feel like they've got an edge to them it's like oh no like,

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what did you change up bro we still got this jiu-jitsu stuff though that works

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against them fuck as long as they get tired that's what as long as they keep

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getting tired I'm good with that that's the nice thing though they do tend to also be the guy yeah,

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they do tend to also be the guy who doesn't like doing cardio sometimes.

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Well, it's just usually dudes. Like, it's like the guys I know who are doing

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it are usually guys in their 40s who are like normal, cool dudes.

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And the Jujuts are like, this is awesome, dude. Like, I get to train a little

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bit more and they behave themselves like they were before. They're like,

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oh, I can do Jiu-Jitsu five days a week now.

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And lift. And not feel like shit on Saturday. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

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dude. Still be functional with my children. Yeah, great. Might as well.

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Yeah. I'm not anti-steroids. No, me neither. Whatever, do your thing.

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They're out there. Do you.

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You do you, boo. yeah dude yeah and like.

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Full disclosure, I am like slowly entering that realm. You're getting into the

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realm of juice. I'm not going to do steroids and juice yet. Right away.

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But I am doing peptides, which some would argue is borderline.

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It's like a gateway drug. Dude, it's. It's a gateway to just pump it all in me, dog. Give it to me.

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I don't. You've got kids. I'm not going to do steroids.

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You've got kids. I don't know if you want more, but that's one of the things

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with the test. They say it can impact your fertility as a man.

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I'd be okay with it. I don't need that. You've already got children. I don't need to stay.

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I've already checked the kids box. I don't know what your family plans are,

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but that's what I'm saying.

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Like, so, you know, Mike, I'm not here to push juice on you, but I'm just saying.

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I'm just saying. It wouldn't be insane. There would be, some would argue that

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I'm already entering the no man's land.

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If you came back from your injury and went against the same guy and you came

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back, like, just choosed out, and he's like, whoa, wait a minute.

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What did you do the last, like, six months? He already said I was really strong.

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So let him have it. So I should get stronger. armboard, motherfuckers?

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Rip his leg off? It's just bicep curling. Yeah, that'd be tight.

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I do think I'm going to try to get better at leg locks. I think I'm going to

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become a leg lock mutant.

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I like that. A juiced out leg lock guy is pretty scary, dude.

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I mean, hey, that's... Pretty fucking scary.

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All right, you got it. Just let go, let go, let go, let go. Fuck. Shit. Yeah, yeah.

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I would also like to introduce our next member of the Menagerie on the Matts,

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or whatever we want to go with this for this the next usual suspect uh is the substitute teacher,

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we all know the guy who and this isn't someone who i want to be class is like

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a good friend yeah this isn't someone who's like popping into like cover class,

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this is the guy who starts coaching even though he's a student of in the class

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right so like this is the guy starts like mid drill or,

00:15:15.829 --> 00:15:19.649
mid-roll or whatever decides that he's going to give someone a little bit of

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input or a little instruction that's you know,

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extra to the class or different or different or you know whatever,

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you're drilling guard passes and then all of a sudden or or maybe you're just

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drilling like side control escapes and the next you look over and they're doing

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back they're doing back mount or like let me teach you straight ankle locks it's like bro,

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i used to have guys who would come in to my classes and like this is exactly

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what happens as you said and um I would just kind of like I like I remember

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for a while like kind of like.

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It started off like kind of like asking them, nudging them back towards what,

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you know, I'd taken my time to prepare to do my job to like ask for a purpose, for a reason.

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I had thought these things through, Michael, you know, there's a spent a lot

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of time thinking about why I want to do what I want to do with this class.

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And then like kind of ask them to be like, yeah, like, why don't you?

00:16:14.617 --> 00:16:16.871
Hey, that stuff's really great. And all like the leg lock. I like it.

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We were doing side control.

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So can you, you know, can you please? And then there's there's like one guy

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that comes in mind, but this is not it's not only him.

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I'm not going to call him out, but like this became so routine that I just like

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kind of just reconciled to the fact that I was just like, he's just wants to

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do whatever he wants to do.

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I'm like, let's just, I just tried to like cordon him off to like minimize his

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distractions from other people because like, look, man, if you're this person,

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um, it's not, it's look, is it the end of the world? No.

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Um, are you a paying customer? Yeah. Like, but like, I would say it like this,

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like if you want to come in and do just whatever version of jujitsu,

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just go to like an open mat, go to a place where like you can do whatever version

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of jiu-jitsu that you want like an open drilling sort of thing but um and it may not.

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Be that you are harming yourself, but you might be taking someone else,

00:17:05.333 --> 00:17:07.373
a different training partner, and kind of like derailing them.

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Their purpose may be coming into that class to listen to the coach.

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Yeah, I think you're right.

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It's a bit selfish, basically, is what it is. They don't like come in with like,

00:17:15.543 --> 00:17:18.633
it's not done out of like a malicious, from like a bad place.

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Like they are usually like somewhat well-meaning with it. I think it's most,

00:17:24.773 --> 00:17:28.403
nine out of 10 times it's very well-meaning. But yeah, I mean. They have like ADD.

00:17:28.883 --> 00:17:32.735
Yeah. What if he also did this? I did this thing. it's pretty fun right oh hey

00:17:33.062 --> 00:17:35.333
you know off of this move you can also do that move and then you can do that

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move i'm like yeah yeah yeah all right all right i usually just hit them with

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like hey dude that's not what we're doing right now perfect and it's just you

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know then it's like hey uh

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is that what we're drilling no cool then do what we're drilling and you can

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do that later like we will have like 20 to 30 minutes you know to roll later

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just do it then you don't want to have to punk them like that but sometimes

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you have to just be like hey man

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like you gotta stop doing like yeah because that's kind of a punk and i'm like

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i've i have done that too i like punk people and i'm like i can see that they

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they know that they got punked and they're like nice about it like haha yeah

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but i'm like that guy's probably gonna be pissed at me like he's gonna be annoyed

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with me i'm like i don't give a shit at the same time like,

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all right like do you you made me do this yeah don't make me punk you man

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but you are disrespecting the class a little bit yeah process and the plan and

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like the other people who came here because they're like paying money because

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you as a coach you have a plan and you have a program you have a curriculum

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and like there's like some structure here and you're just kind of coming here

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and saying fuck your structure I want to do.

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I want to do leg locks. It's like, yeah, but I, like, really want to work on

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leg locks today. Do that in the other class. It's like, well,

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you know, dude, we'll do that, just not right now. Yeah.

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Yeah, and, you know, it is important. They're not doing this from,

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like, they're not intentionally being disrespectful. It's like you said.

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It's just like that momentary ADD.

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ADD, distractions. They watched, they saw a cool instructional on Instagram,

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on their way there or whatever, and now that's all they can think about.

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So they got a moment to roll.

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They have a person at their disposal. They're going to try to do it.

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It's just, it does not come from them. They can't help themselves.

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Yeah. They can't help themselves.

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I'm scatterbrained as hell and if I didn't have a plan for class,

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that might happen, you know? A hundred percent. So I get it. I understand.

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But it's not the time. Yeah. Come on, man.

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Yeah, but we all know this guy. We all know the substitute teacher.

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Or they try to give the way they do the thing, right? You taught this side control

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escape and like, well, the way I do it is like this.

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And then they're showing it wrong. And you're like, hey.

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Now, Michael, what belt did that person usually wear?

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It's usually the blue belt. Oh, fuck, dude. I had a feeling you might say that.

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It usually is. It's usually some blue belt. I mean, my class is majority blue

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belts. So if you were to like...

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So if someone's doing something, you can just immediately know you can blame

00:19:55.864 --> 00:19:58.054
a blue belt. I can usually blame a blue belt because that's usually,

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that's most of the people in there. So it's, you know... Fair, it's accurate.

00:20:00.984 --> 00:20:03.134
If someone's doing something in my class, it's usually a blue belt.

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Because a blue belt did it, yeah. And it's not always a bad thing.

00:20:05.844 --> 00:20:09.114
Sometimes they get it right. Yeah, and they're a blue belt. It's just how,

00:20:09.114 --> 00:20:13.739
it's just, it's just a... It's just the demographic of the class. It's just how it is.

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So, yeah, I mean, sometimes you have substitute teachers, man.

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And sometimes that's how it is.

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And anywhere you have substitute teachers, you also tend to have the student of the game.

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And this is the guy who understands jujitsu better than everyone.

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And this is not like, I'm not saying this to be facetious. This dude just gets jujitsu.

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And sometimes they aren't like, this is the guy who owns the entire BJJ Fanatics library.

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We call him student of the game?

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The student of the game is what I'm referring to. Yeah, like this is a guy who

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studies jujitsu. He lives and breathes jujitsu.

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If this was like back in like the 90s or early 2000s, he had the library of

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every single VHS and DVD, you know, because YouTube had no good instructionals at the time.

00:21:06.993 --> 00:21:10.608
Um, this guy had like the bookshelf full of these.

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He had the BJJ magazine back then, but now it's just the guy who has a subscription

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to my even, you know, maybe BJJ mental models and BJJ fanatics.

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He has it all. He listens to every podcast.

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He probably listens to this one. He fucking better.

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Um, but you know, like this, we all have that, that guy, right?

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The guy who like studies the shit out of the game.

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Uh, they, they aren't necessarily like, they don't have to be really good at jujitsu.

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But they can they can tell you about jiu-jitsu yeah and i don't mean that in

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like a i'm not saying that to like talk down on them like they intellectually

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they really get they get it up top like they really get it it doesn't always their.

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Their like physical ability might not have caught up to their mental ability

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yet like they they can't quite maybe they've overloaded their brain a little

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bit perhaps more in there than they can like yeah get out yet but uh,

00:22:02.416 --> 00:22:07.218
they tend to get they do also tend to get good really fast because like once

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they start catching up with like their technical ability they know enough to

00:22:11.168 --> 00:22:16.558
like start executing but they're good people to have around good community members usually good and,

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do we kind of dump we like shit on the assistant coaches or whatever a second

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ago sometimes they tend to actually give really good feedback to people too

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so like and by the way on that last one too we were

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we were kind of like it's a little sensationalized we sensationalized a lot

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when it goes a little bit of muck but for the most part like telling other giving

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other people advice especially if you like you are further down the road than

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they are is a good thing too and i say that to say because i think these guys

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tend to be really good at that too

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um like you said maybe not always physically capable of executing everything

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but they get it and they understand it and that's nice like if they can communicate

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and they understand it like,

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i i like having those guys around too a lot of times they make good coaches

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too well and sometimes they're a good like translator for a coach because sometimes,

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sometimes there are things that a coach knows but doesn't know how to communicate in a way.

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That specific like a specific concept or something they don't know how to communicate

00:23:10.812 --> 00:23:13.952
that in a way because that's not something they normally communicate you know um.

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So sometimes they are able to like translate for the coach when the coach isn't

00:23:20.082 --> 00:23:24.272
able to like voice what they're what they're trying to get across sometimes,

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they have the name of the move that you forgot the name of you're like i can

00:23:27.092 --> 00:23:30.512
do this move i forgot the name of it yeah that's the whatever and you're like

00:23:30.512 --> 00:23:35.166
thanks buddy yeah they're the guy that's like one dude says hey what's uh you know,

00:23:35.677 --> 00:23:39.102
they someone shouts out like the Japanese name of a move that you do.

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I'm like, I don't fucking know what that means.

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I speak English. I do, bro. I don't know names of most moves.

00:23:44.332 --> 00:23:47.732
Yeah, I don't know names in English. I know like three moves by name.

00:23:48.352 --> 00:23:52.752
Yeah, we call this armbar. And they're like, coach, it's that one where the

00:23:52.752 --> 00:23:55.809
leg goes across and does this and then that happens. You're like,

00:23:56.407 --> 00:23:59.212
oh, that thing. Yeah, let me show you that. You know?

00:24:00.307 --> 00:24:03.285
So yeah, they could be a helpful tool for sure. For sure.

00:24:04.110 --> 00:24:08.652
I like them I like the student of the game I know quite a few of those guys

00:24:08.652 --> 00:24:09.612
too They're good members too.

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They've been bitten by the bugs They're good people to have around They're willing

00:24:14.962 --> 00:24:20.722
to listen to you nerd out about Jiu Jitsu I like that too They're willing to

00:24:20.722 --> 00:24:22.252
let me talk about Jiu Jitsu,

00:24:24.132 --> 00:24:29.992
As long as you want They're like tell me more I need more They're just downloading

00:24:29.992 --> 00:24:35.165
it I have a TRT student of the game Oh, yeah? Yep. That's right.

00:24:35.839 --> 00:24:38.062
So you have someone who checks both of those boxes. That's right.

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Hell, yeah. That's what I'm talking about. These guys. Dude, everyone in here.

00:24:41.352 --> 00:24:44.610
People have layers, bro. You don't have to be just one. None of us are just

00:24:44.918 --> 00:24:46.856
completely one-dimensional.

00:24:47.176 --> 00:24:48.969
We're bits and pieces of these things. Sometimes.

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Yeah, I mean, of course. Sometimes someone only meets one of the boxes we have

00:24:53.612 --> 00:24:58.432
on here, but I'd say that's few and far between. So...

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Let's see. We got student in the game. We got the substitute teacher.

00:25:01.863 --> 00:25:06.227
We got the steroid guy so far. Oh, I got someone for you here.

00:25:07.453 --> 00:25:10.503
I'm going to try to do one that doesn't necessarily overlap.

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Actually, this is going to be another overlap because I think it's fun.

00:25:15.453 --> 00:25:20.501
Just because these makes a connection of three. The teacher's pet.

00:25:22.745 --> 00:25:26.353
So, Scott. Someone who sucks up to you? Yeah. Is that what you're describing?

00:25:26.353 --> 00:25:28.463
The teacher's pet is, yeah, the guy who, yeah.

00:25:29.133 --> 00:25:32.433
Yeah, yeah. That's what you mean, right? Yes, that's what I mean.

00:25:32.433 --> 00:25:34.547
And maybe that's like an extreme way to describe it, but...

00:25:35.007 --> 00:25:42.343
But yeah, I mean, this is the person that like very much wants to be the coach's favorite, right?

00:25:43.273 --> 00:25:47.227
And jokes on all of them, I have a favorite. Oh, it's not you.

00:25:47.227 --> 00:25:49.686
It's not them. Who is it? Your boy? Your son?

00:25:50.581 --> 00:25:55.737
Well, he's not one of my students. All right. But I mean, I do like him more than that.

00:25:57.717 --> 00:26:02.657
I do like my son more than most of my students. Like I do. More than most.

00:26:03.537 --> 00:26:05.767
He's still not number one, though. He's competing for number one.

00:26:05.767 --> 00:26:09.157
Everyone knows Brian. He's in the ranking. My favorite student is Brian.

00:26:09.157 --> 00:26:11.877
Everyone knows this. They all know that? I tell all of them. Damn.

00:26:12.437 --> 00:26:14.717
I tell all of them that he's my favorite. Be like him. You guys all fucking

00:26:14.717 --> 00:26:18.257
suck. I'm like, bro, he's my favorite. Well, why is he the teacher's pet in

00:26:18.257 --> 00:26:20.257
this case? Well, he's not the teacher's pet.

00:26:20.765 --> 00:26:22.937
But it's because he actually listens on the mat.

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He's out there competing. He listens to everything I say. No one else does that. It's amazing.

00:26:31.117 --> 00:26:34.030
He's a good listener. He's a really good listener. He's a good listener.

00:26:34.215 --> 00:26:37.707
He apologizes for things that he doesn't need to apologize for.

00:26:37.707 --> 00:26:42.087
Okay, courteous. He's just a good dude. Good dude. Yeah, so be like Brian, guys.

00:26:42.087 --> 00:26:45.357
Works hard listen to your coach when he's trying to tell you about jiu-jitsu

00:26:45.357 --> 00:26:50.537
stuff yeah when he's giving you jiu-jitsu instruction listen yeah uh yeah and

00:26:50.537 --> 00:26:54.477
he shows up every day and he works hard that's really all yeah yeah yeah that's all it takes perfect,

00:26:55.177 --> 00:26:59.077
uh yeah teacher's pets being a teacher's pet is different than that I think

00:26:59.077 --> 00:27:00.640
we get that from do you think that comes from like,

00:27:01.528 --> 00:27:05.657
here's my hypothesis but I mean you'll see this anywhere but I feel like you

00:27:05.657 --> 00:27:10.077
know in northern Virginia DC area it's a lot of like school academic types and

00:27:10.077 --> 00:27:12.052
like teacher's pets this is a school term,

00:27:12.977 --> 00:27:16.327
where, like, people do that shit, they suck up to the teacher a little bit.

00:27:16.327 --> 00:27:18.707
Well, you also have a lot of, like, corporate high achievers,

00:27:18.707 --> 00:27:22.256
right? So you have a lot of people that are trying to, like, that...

00:27:23.429 --> 00:27:26.846
Yeah, they come up in, like, structured environments where there's,

00:27:26.846 --> 00:27:29.786
like, a person in charge of a thing. There's a person you need to,

00:27:29.786 --> 00:27:31.816
like, appease. Schools are like that.

00:27:32.416 --> 00:27:34.616
Corporations are, schools are made for corporations. Yeah, yeah,

00:27:34.936 --> 00:27:37.152
yeah. Exactly. So you can get good at following the rules.

00:27:37.279 --> 00:27:41.876
But, like. Which is fine. You gain, you know, maybe, this is a hypothesis here,

00:27:41.876 --> 00:27:45.836
but maybe it comes from that, like, to climb the corporate ladder,

00:27:45.836 --> 00:27:51.226
there's usually a person you have to be noticed by and appease to get to the next thing.

00:27:51.226 --> 00:27:56.406
Dude, I think this is it, yeah. And so maybe they think that if you like them,

00:27:56.406 --> 00:28:00.676
they can butter you up. They'll get that stripe. It probably works sometimes.

00:28:00.676 --> 00:28:02.296
It probably does, honestly.

00:28:04.016 --> 00:28:07.030
That's why we're bringing it up for the same reasons. Yeah, yeah.

00:28:08.359 --> 00:28:11.285
You know, that's kind of how. They exist. They exist.

00:28:11.616 --> 00:28:15.076
You know, they're kind of trying to be your friend, but you're like,

00:28:15.076 --> 00:28:16.206
are you trying to be your friend?

00:28:16.396 --> 00:28:19.186
You're just using me because of my position. Is this because you just want to

00:28:19.186 --> 00:28:20.336
get your blue belt? Yeah.

00:28:21.236 --> 00:28:26.506
Well, you know, as long as it's not done for some weird, creepy reason, I've met a lot. Yeah.

00:28:26.846 --> 00:28:29.291
There's a lot, because of where we are. There's a lot of people,

00:28:29.529 --> 00:28:31.926
and I think, I don't think, again, it's not a bad, I don't think any people

00:28:31.926 --> 00:28:35.758
do it with any weird intent, it's just that, like, they're just kind of used to that working.

00:28:35.914 --> 00:28:38.876
And sometimes. It's a trained behavior. It's a trained behavior,

00:28:38.876 --> 00:28:41.346
and there's probably, like, traits of, like, teacher's pet-type traits that

00:28:41.346 --> 00:28:44.076
aren't bad things, like, hey, I want to, like, show the coach,

00:28:44.076 --> 00:28:46.296
say, like, you know, I care, I'm interested, I listen to what you said,

00:28:46.296 --> 00:28:46.816
like, I have, like, I have,

00:28:47.415 --> 00:28:49.982
I have, I'll have people ask me like detailed questions and there,

00:28:49.982 --> 00:28:53.642
there may be a modicum of like the teacher's pet kind of impulse there.

00:28:53.642 --> 00:28:56.322
But for the most part, I choose to just like, I'll answer it either way.

00:28:56.722 --> 00:28:59.592
I was kind of addressing them. I try to like provide value regardless of whether

00:28:59.592 --> 00:29:01.852
or not they are looking for something in exchange.

00:29:02.270 --> 00:29:06.342
Um, but even if they are, it's sort of just like, you know, it's all right.

00:29:06.342 --> 00:29:10.132
I get what you're doing. It's not, it's not, I think it's a fairly harmless

00:29:10.132 --> 00:29:13.702
thing in its very nature. So even if you want to be a teacher's pet,

00:29:13.702 --> 00:29:16.398
it's no problem. Like it's usually like, I acknowledge it.

00:29:17.022 --> 00:29:21.262
I think the way it shows itself more so in jujitsu is it just there's not a

00:29:21.262 --> 00:29:23.881
lot of like opportunity to be like, you're so great, coach.

00:29:26.642 --> 00:29:32.112
Tell me how great I am. It usually kind of like shows up is like the guy who

00:29:32.112 --> 00:29:35.584
just asks, like you said, like just asks questions.

00:29:35.996 --> 00:29:39.312
But like not a bad thing. But when the questions become less,

00:29:39.312 --> 00:29:40.672
you're asking questions, just ask questions.

00:29:40.672 --> 00:29:44.452
Yeah. Like, see, I'm trying. I'm I'm paying attention.

00:29:44.452 --> 00:29:47.542
I'm being. you know that's usually how it presents and so like it's really not

00:29:47.542 --> 00:29:52.252
that big of a deal but it's yeah yeah like it's kind of like see i really care

00:29:52.252 --> 00:29:55.082
about jujitsu mr michael you haven't given us our homework,

00:29:55.782 --> 00:29:58.942
yeah yeah it's that guy yeah uh some people might roll their eyes and people

00:29:58.942 --> 00:30:04.052
all right come on can we just drill the move bro like geez yeah i mean it's

00:30:04.052 --> 00:30:06.791
more of like that kind of thing not necessarily like,

00:30:07.528 --> 00:30:10.830
you know, buttering up the coach by being like, you're so great coach.

00:30:10.830 --> 00:30:14.470
It's more of just like they, yeah. It's more of, in my opinion,

00:30:14.470 --> 00:30:18.010
it's more of a litmus test to see how like the coach responds to that type of

00:30:18.010 --> 00:30:20.780
attention, how they handle it. It's more almost like, I don't mind if a teacher's

00:30:20.780 --> 00:30:24.790
pet does it. I kind of pay attention to what, how a coach behaves when they're presented with that.

00:30:25.243 --> 00:30:30.891
Um, cause prior episodes, some coaches feel the need to, they really want that,

00:30:31.379 --> 00:30:34.330
when they feel that little taste of status and authority, they're like, Butter me up.

00:30:34.430 --> 00:30:37.840
Butter me up, man. I think I will give you some rewards in exchange for it.

00:30:37.840 --> 00:30:40.586
So it's more of a, to me, it's, I don't blame the teacher's pet.

00:30:40.789 --> 00:30:43.020
Teacher's pets just want to be teacher's pets. Nothing wrong with that.

00:30:43.020 --> 00:30:45.758
It's like, how does the person in the leadership position respond to it?

00:30:45.967 --> 00:30:49.310
That's who I look at in those circumstances. See, let's see what this guy's

00:30:49.310 --> 00:30:51.520
going to do. And like, he gets a little more attention than he's used to.

00:30:51.520 --> 00:30:52.422
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00:31:25.904 --> 00:31:31.686
Yeah, I mean, absolutely. I mean, it's like... See how you handled the smallest amount of status.

00:31:31.976 --> 00:31:37.270
Yeah i saw we're talking about jiu-jitsu classes here this is like semi-related

00:31:37.270 --> 00:31:43.423
but this will this kind of steps up like i saw a thing where someone was talking about like um,

00:31:44.335 --> 00:31:48.420
they were talking about like black belts who can't coach and can't teach i think

00:31:48.420 --> 00:31:51.740
it and they're like what does that say about that person i'm like well it really

00:31:51.740 --> 00:31:54.279
wasn't say about the person that gave them that you know like.

00:31:55.210 --> 00:31:58.810
That belt like a guy who can't explain the jujitsu they do what does that say

00:31:58.810 --> 00:32:03.020
about the person who promoted them similar i think it's kind of like a similar

00:32:03.020 --> 00:32:04.594
thing to what you're saying there it's like.

00:32:05.326 --> 00:32:10.794
How does that, their reaction to the buttering, what is that?

00:32:10.794 --> 00:32:13.694
No, that's what you're saying. You're saying it's a different way to evaluate

00:32:13.694 --> 00:32:17.844
the situation. Yeah, like that person is just doing what they're going to do.

00:32:17.854 --> 00:32:23.794
But how does the person who is the receiver of that, like where do they respond?

00:32:23.794 --> 00:32:27.244
How do they respond? Yeah, who really should you be paying attention to in that

00:32:27.244 --> 00:32:31.366
sense? Yeah. The teacher's past just doing their thing. They're not like a bad person or anything.

00:32:31.702 --> 00:32:35.724
The person who's in a position to be the bad person there is in fact the person

00:32:35.724 --> 00:32:39.394
being buttered up for sure right uh i think if i'm gathering what you're saying

00:32:39.394 --> 00:32:43.174
yeah yeah and that's in bad persons probably it sounds aggressive but but you're right

00:32:43.554 --> 00:32:45.944
it is sort of a test i'm like yeah i don't blame the person for trying to like

00:32:45.944 --> 00:32:47.567
butter up their instructor they're just

00:32:47.927 --> 00:32:50.964
i don't know that's just like kind of who they are they're just feeling a power

00:32:50.964 --> 00:32:54.554
dynamic and they're feeding into it it's not yeah and it's just the thing that

00:32:54.554 --> 00:32:57.274
they feel it's just like maybe that's maybe that's how they've like come up

00:32:57.274 --> 00:32:59.924
in school or in corporations like you said they're just used to that being what

00:32:59.924 --> 00:33:02.637
that's how they interact with like you said maybe it's called a power dynamic call what you want

00:33:02.945 --> 00:33:05.696
that's just kind of how they navigate these things and it

00:33:06.108 --> 00:33:08.294
again that's not all bad until you

00:33:08.714 --> 00:33:12.424
see how one i guess we're both sides respond to it but yes to your point i look

00:33:12.424 --> 00:33:16.144
at the person receiving it and say what's this guy gonna do when

00:33:16.568 --> 00:33:19.774
five people come up and do that what's he doing a lady comes up and does that

00:33:19.774 --> 00:33:24.304
to him you definitely have to watch out for that that is another episode that's

00:33:24.304 --> 00:33:28.204
what's been episodes but like yeah well maybe my position is like i have to

00:33:28.204 --> 00:33:29.254
watch those types of people.

00:33:29.734 --> 00:33:32.346
You know in these environments and i have many times and i've watched people

00:33:32.526 --> 00:33:36.094
fail miserably and i've watched people handle it pretty well too and lots of

00:33:36.094 --> 00:33:38.974
in-betweens but yeah man that could be a whole sorry i'm.

00:33:39.454 --> 00:33:43.967
No that could be like a whole like almost like a secret shopper thing for jiu-jitsu schools

00:33:44.200 --> 00:33:48.854
that's funny dude you just send in people to like hot babes that was in uh that

00:33:48.854 --> 00:33:53.134
was in uh the new season of tires oh i did yes i did you watch it that might

00:33:53.134 --> 00:33:56.654
be why i'm thinking i just saw that episode that wasn't why i was singing but that's hilarious Ah,

00:33:57.054 --> 00:33:59.294
Dave. They send me that hot blonde chick. Yeah.

00:33:59.614 --> 00:34:02.334
They call- It's not illegal to have a boner in your van!

00:34:02.827 --> 00:34:09.581
It should be. Stavros' character as the sex addict scumbag. It's hilarious.

00:34:09.581 --> 00:34:13.041
He's like a fat scumbag, which I don't think if he was in the room,

00:34:13.041 --> 00:34:17.157
he would argue with that. But he's so fucking funny at playing that role, dude.

00:34:18.271 --> 00:34:21.547
Stavros is the best. He's like, it's not illegal to have a boner in my fucking van.

00:34:22.214 --> 00:34:24.651
It's not illegal. Where does it say that in the law? It's not illegal.

00:34:25.111 --> 00:34:26.391
Matt McCusker pulls a gun on him.

00:34:27.111 --> 00:34:30.611
Get out of the car. Anyways. But yeah, Secret Shopper.

00:34:30.611 --> 00:34:34.071
In that that is that's actually that's a kind of a that's a sinister but but

00:34:34.071 --> 00:34:35.682
interesting idea you said,

00:34:36.552 --> 00:34:39.431
you'd have you would have to go to the van you'd have to be in your truck market

00:34:39.431 --> 00:34:41.631
like all right now tell him he's really cool and kind of handsome,

00:34:42.451 --> 00:34:45.521
tell me he's really i will i will not tell him to be interested in private lessons

00:34:45.521 --> 00:34:47.371
for additional stripes just,

00:34:47.831 --> 00:34:51.621
any time any evening this weekend you don't directly don't directly tell him

00:34:51.621 --> 00:34:55.701
but make sure he finds your instagram yes yes yes and then when he dms you and

00:34:55.701 --> 00:34:58.331
then it's uh well actually isn't craig jones said he's going and do,

00:34:59.051 --> 00:35:02.071
a BJJ to catch a predator, so maybe we don't even have to do this.

00:35:02.071 --> 00:35:03.771
This is already happening. Yeah, true. Fair enough.

00:35:04.391 --> 00:35:08.011
Damn it, he took the idea. Damn. I knew I got it from somewhere.

00:35:08.451 --> 00:35:11.451
There's no original ideas, guys. It's all been done before.

00:35:12.111 --> 00:35:16.211
Simpsons did it. I know a few guys who I think he'll probably catch, but anyways.

00:35:17.091 --> 00:35:21.211
He's going to catch a few guys. He's going to catch some. It won't take very long. No, it won't be.

00:35:21.571 --> 00:35:27.094
It won't be difficult. Someone that should be caught is the let you work guy.

00:35:27.744 --> 00:35:33.561
Bitch this motherfucker. That guy needs to be... Explain the let you work, guy. All right, so...

00:35:34.943 --> 00:35:37.961
So you're rolling. You're rolling, yeah, like, there's...

00:35:38.246 --> 00:35:44.086
You're rolling and then, like, you're getting the better of somebody and then, like.

00:35:46.049 --> 00:35:49.833
They tap out and they're like, well, you know, I kind of let you get that.

00:35:52.231 --> 00:35:55.211
And you're like, motherfucker, I was kicking your ass. No, you didn't.

00:35:56.451 --> 00:36:01.551
So, like, this guy always has an excuse for why you beat them.

00:36:02.557 --> 00:36:09.790
This is usually somebody who outranks you. In most cases, sometimes it's not.

00:36:11.051 --> 00:36:19.136
Uh, but some, usually this is a, an ego protection tactic of they,

00:36:19.310 --> 00:36:21.498
once someone starts getting the better of them,

00:36:22.305 --> 00:36:26.951
they kind of just like give up, give, yeah, yeah.

00:36:27.291 --> 00:36:30.537
It's a little different than like, yeah.

00:36:31.831 --> 00:36:39.267
It's slightly different than when from the get-go, because there is a fine line

00:36:39.267 --> 00:36:45.090
of when someone is being the let-you-work guy and when they're just actually letting you work.

00:36:45.421 --> 00:36:50.239
There is a reality of where this person just says, hey, you're going to start.

00:36:50.564 --> 00:36:55.507
We're going to make an agreement prior to the role that I'm going to let you

00:36:55.507 --> 00:36:56.996
work from a dominant position.

00:36:57.954 --> 00:37:03.047
And we both agree upon this. there's a difference when someone starts to feel

00:37:03.047 --> 00:37:07.484
like you're getting the better of them and then they decide unilaterally,

00:37:08.343 --> 00:37:12.347
that they're going to let you yeah you know i mean they change the rules of

00:37:12.347 --> 00:37:15.847
engagement the rules have changed part way they change the rules of engagement

00:37:15.847 --> 00:37:18.415
from like oh we're going to go really hard in the paint and then like,

00:37:18.938 --> 00:37:21.807
as soon as you start to win they're going to be like no man they're like oh

00:37:21.807 --> 00:37:25.237
actually i'm just kidding i was actually i'm actually just let so i just letting

00:37:25.237 --> 00:37:27.198
you work now now that now that,

00:37:27.750 --> 00:37:32.597
you see i was i was doing this but now i've decided to let you,

00:37:33.277 --> 00:37:36.577
do now i've decided to let you in all that work you did before when you passed

00:37:36.577 --> 00:37:39.537
my guard and you took my back i just stopped trying when you got to back mount

00:37:39.537 --> 00:37:44.177
well and they use that as an excuse to negate the actual the success you had

00:37:44.177 --> 00:37:48.677
success you had yeah that's what that's who this person is yes um it's an ego

00:37:48.677 --> 00:37:50.325
thing it's it's an ego and

00:37:50.546 --> 00:37:53.857
again none of none of these people are necessarily bad people.

00:37:53.857 --> 00:37:57.277
It's growing pains. Usually they're only bad people on the map.

00:37:58.370 --> 00:38:01.157
It's like, it's like silly stuff. Yeah. Yeah.

00:38:01.537 --> 00:38:06.327
They're, they're, they're not a bad guy off the mats necessarily.

00:38:06.327 --> 00:38:06.927
They could be, I don't know.

00:38:07.017 --> 00:38:09.427
I don't know. I don't know the people at your gym like that.

00:38:09.427 --> 00:38:12.789
Uh, listeners, but they very well could be, I don't know.

00:38:13.120 --> 00:38:16.348
But usually this is not evil. They're just evil people.

00:38:16.870 --> 00:38:21.967
This person just, uh, you know, in that moment on the mat, Or moments.

00:38:21.967 --> 00:38:23.517
They just decided. Knucklehead stuff.

00:38:24.097 --> 00:38:29.821
I just don't feel like I'm going to make my loss sting myself a little bit less today.

00:38:30.657 --> 00:38:35.249
And, you know, usually it's just, it is an ego thing. This is a person who doesn't necessarily...

00:38:38.656 --> 00:38:42.528
They don't recognize that the training room is for training.

00:38:42.691 --> 00:38:47.281
Said it perfectly. I think that's really, they see this as their,

00:38:47.581 --> 00:38:52.231
they see training room as their ADCC Worlds, and it's not the place,

00:38:52.231 --> 00:38:54.561
they don't see it as the place they're getting better, they see it as the place

00:38:54.561 --> 00:38:55.601
that they need to win that day.

00:38:55.921 --> 00:39:01.875
And they're trying to manipulate the state of play and create a game that they can't lose in.

00:39:02.363 --> 00:39:06.871
Exactly. They're like, if I beat this guy the first two and a half minutes of

00:39:06.871 --> 00:39:10.361
a five minute round when I was trying really hard, I won, but second two and

00:39:10.361 --> 00:39:13.181
a half minutes when I start to lose, if I stop trying, he didn't win.

00:39:13.501 --> 00:39:15.141
Yeah, he didn't win. I stopped trying. He didn't win.

00:39:15.981 --> 00:39:19.991
I already won. I already won, dude. Yeah. These other two and a half minutes

00:39:19.991 --> 00:39:22.993
don't count. That's right. It doesn't count at all.

00:39:23.197 --> 00:39:27.271
That's right. I wasn't trying anymore. And yeah, that's how they see it.

00:39:27.271 --> 00:39:29.541
That's how they operate. That's how they see it.

00:39:30.911 --> 00:39:34.901
Usually it's a growth phase. People generally, I hope people grow out of this

00:39:34.901 --> 00:39:37.174
stuff, but you sometimes see it.

00:39:38.115 --> 00:39:42.991
Yeah you linger with certain people yeah and you know as you said sometimes

00:39:42.991 --> 00:39:50.141
they do and sometimes this is like a it it's a this is a phase or it's just something that,

00:39:51.234 --> 00:39:54.641
or it's just a lot of teenagers it's a lot of teenager shit dude we're all just

00:39:54.641 --> 00:39:58.031
teenagers in jujitsu uh but you know it's also something that sometimes just

00:39:58.031 --> 00:40:00.155
like comes and goes right like,

00:40:01.414 --> 00:40:04.878
maybe they're having a shit day and they just need that win,

00:40:05.558 --> 00:40:10.818
and so they just create a scenario where they win that for the day and 99% of

00:40:10.818 --> 00:40:15.408
the time this person's a perfectly fine training partner just today they just

00:40:15.408 --> 00:40:20.082
they just needed that w and sometimes it's like that man big deal it's fine get it,

00:40:20.657 --> 00:40:25.318
you got beat down at work and you just don't feel like getting beat down on the mat today,

00:40:25.958 --> 00:40:30.298
it happens it's fine um it's totally fine yeah.

00:40:31.634 --> 00:40:36.725
And speaking of getting beat down on the mat we also have,

00:40:37.683 --> 00:40:41.178
it's on the other page anyway i have i want to know who you got i have to make

00:40:41.178 --> 00:40:47.592
sure that i get the words just right we have the child phenom,

00:40:48.213 --> 00:40:52.698
okay this i want to see you connect the dots here. Oh, with beatdowns on the mat?

00:40:53.218 --> 00:40:55.858
Oh, the child phenom's beating people down. Yeah, they're beating people down.

00:40:55.858 --> 00:40:58.938
I thought you were talking about beating up kids. No, well. Let's do it,

00:40:58.938 --> 00:41:00.318
let's do it. This is going to be so fun.

00:41:01.058 --> 00:41:05.948
No, no. Yeah, I go to the kids' class and just fucking run just amok on these

00:41:05.948 --> 00:41:08.908
little fuckers, dude. Those shitty little attitudes just beat that ass.

00:41:08.908 --> 00:41:11.268
I'd have to, I need to come up with a name for that. The, like,

00:41:11.268 --> 00:41:12.518
kids' coach. The child predator.

00:41:13.318 --> 00:41:16.078
Oh, we can't say that. All right, shit.

00:41:16.578 --> 00:41:21.558
No, we can't call them that. Okay. That person is on to catch a predator with Craig Jones.

00:41:21.558 --> 00:41:24.838
Fair enough. Well, different. This is, this is, this is not different.

00:41:24.838 --> 00:41:29.008
The child phenom, this is the dude has been training since the moment he could

00:41:29.008 --> 00:41:35.028
walk probably, uh, you know, they're 15 and have been training for 20 years.

00:41:35.028 --> 00:41:39.398
Yep. Somehow, you know, they've found a way to tear the space time continuum

00:41:39.398 --> 00:41:44.848
and be, uh, just trained forever. Yep. Um, yeah. I mean, like they,

00:41:44.848 --> 00:41:48.526
they've just been grinding, training their whole lives.

00:41:49.537 --> 00:41:52.995
And, you know, they're the type of person that's just going to blow through

00:41:52.995 --> 00:41:56.335
the adult ranks once they're there, just because they've already been training

00:41:56.335 --> 00:41:57.570
as long as most adults. Yep.

00:41:57.970 --> 00:42:01.445
So, you know, they're in there and, like, sometimes it's just like,

00:42:01.445 --> 00:42:06.759
dude, if this person weighed, like, 20 pounds more, they would destroy the entire training room.

00:42:07.334 --> 00:42:09.735
Yeah. You know, like, because sometimes that's just, they're just young and

00:42:09.735 --> 00:42:12.455
they haven't, they haven't, like, bulked up yet. And you're like,

00:42:12.455 --> 00:42:15.304
man, this dude's going to start working out one day and we're all fucked.

00:42:16.605 --> 00:42:19.955
Sam Kilmer was this guy. Yeah. Sam Kilmer came up, yeah, I remember when he

00:42:19.955 --> 00:42:23.855
was like a teenager and he was bodying adults, like good adults.

00:42:24.325 --> 00:42:29.201
And then he grew and he got big and he got huge and he got jacked and he just kept bodying people.

00:42:29.637 --> 00:42:33.045
But yeah, he was that like child phenom that's like fucking up,

00:42:33.045 --> 00:42:35.558
like as a teenager, like a young teenager.

00:42:36.532 --> 00:42:42.426
Jacking good dudes black belts yeah and then he still does all that yeah he's

00:42:42.426 --> 00:42:45.836
a grown man now he's still doing all that he's actually a grown man now,

00:42:46.476 --> 00:42:50.796
yeah yeah but like you know it's one of those it's they stand out they stand

00:42:50.796 --> 00:42:52.276
out and you'll know their names like my friend sim yeah.

00:42:53.156 --> 00:42:58.116
You will yeah you guys know i'm sure a lot of people know his name too now i

00:42:58.116 --> 00:43:01.916
mean he's on the show yeah well because he i mean he's faced big names or and

00:43:01.916 --> 00:43:03.454
he'd already faced big names on the

00:43:03.895 --> 00:43:08.786
in the bjj scene and everything as a teenager indeed so oh yeah um you know

00:43:08.786 --> 00:43:13.296
like those guys exist and yeah they're they're probably creating a lot of uh

00:43:13.656 --> 00:43:15.396
they create a lot of let you work guys,

00:43:16.056 --> 00:43:20.956
oh big time that's the time they're they're smashing adults on the mat point

00:43:20.956 --> 00:43:25.356
too yeah anytime like the the let you work guy appears a lot of times when he

00:43:25.356 --> 00:43:29.008
thinks there's someone he Quite frankly, this is someone he just doesn't want to lose to.

00:43:29.704 --> 00:43:34.806
Yeah. But usually most people don't want to lose to the child phenom.

00:43:34.806 --> 00:43:36.206
So like that, you're right.

00:43:36.956 --> 00:43:40.086
You'll identify both. If you have a child phenom and you drop into a room of

00:43:40.086 --> 00:43:43.300
like grown men, I bet you'll spot three or five.

00:43:43.776 --> 00:43:47.096
I was letting you work people in a split second. And probably if you don't surprise

00:43:47.096 --> 00:43:49.242
you, a few that you're like, dude, I didn't know you were that guy.

00:43:49.996 --> 00:43:51.656
But you're also kind of like, all right, I'll give you a break.

00:43:52.156 --> 00:43:53.979
You just got beat up by a 14-year-old. I get it.

00:43:54.327 --> 00:43:59.056
I get it. We have a 15-year-old that trains with us at 5.30 in the morning. Is he awesome?

00:43:59.436 --> 00:44:05.796
Dude, he's the only dude in the training room who's back I cannot take. Damn. And I'm like, bro.

00:44:06.736 --> 00:44:09.751
Get over here, little fucker. I'm like, how dare you make me work hard?

00:44:11.556 --> 00:44:14.926
I'm like, dude, why are you making me work for everything? Why are you good

00:44:14.926 --> 00:44:17.946
at this? Because you can. Because you guys are too good at coaching this 15-year-old

00:44:17.946 --> 00:44:20.496
when he was 10, 11, 12. He was just listening.

00:44:20.722 --> 00:44:22.864
When I tell people that...

00:44:24.066 --> 00:44:28.388
Like he, I legit tell people that if he puts on like another 15 to 20 pounds,

00:44:28.388 --> 00:44:33.412
every single person is screwed. Like he is exactly that. And he's going to do that. Yeah.

00:44:33.714 --> 00:44:35.775
Like he's going to do that. It's going to happen.

00:44:36.848 --> 00:44:40.748
The American school lunch system is going to get him booked up. Yeah, dude. Yeah, yeah.

00:44:41.048 --> 00:44:43.308
Before he can vote, maybe around

00:44:43.308 --> 00:44:47.076
the time, maybe around the time he has a driver's license. That's, yeah.

00:44:47.319 --> 00:44:49.708
Yeah, it's over. He'll be able to buy liquor. Oh, dude.

00:44:52.128 --> 00:44:56.568
When he gets a driver's license and he can take himself to any fast food restaurant

00:44:56.568 --> 00:45:00.998
he wants. He's going to gain that weight, dude. And he has freedom of movement

00:45:00.998 --> 00:45:02.208
to go to a lifting gym on his own.

00:45:02.408 --> 00:45:04.658
And he'll still be able to eat all that horse shit and it won't bother him for

00:45:04.658 --> 00:45:08.638
another 10, 15 years at least. Oh, yeah, that is the prime time to eat junk.

00:45:08.638 --> 00:45:12.708
Quarter pounders with cheeses and bullshit and all the banned substances in

00:45:12.708 --> 00:45:15.088
Europe and stuff that we have in American food. He needs it, it's no problem.

00:45:15.948 --> 00:45:18.428
It won't do nothing to him. Oh, no, I mean like. If anything,

00:45:18.428 --> 00:45:19.200
it'll give them more power.

00:45:19.433 --> 00:45:25.476
Really, all the guys, to all you teenagers out there. Yeah, you fucking teenagers.

00:45:26.195 --> 00:45:31.288
Lift a shit ton and just pound fucking fast food now while your body can handle it.

00:45:31.588 --> 00:45:35.748
Dirty bulk. Because then you can just bulk like crazy. Dirty bulk. You'll still have abs.

00:45:38.328 --> 00:45:43.448
You can just pump in all of those calories. Chemical food. It's a very efficient

00:45:43.448 --> 00:45:46.268
package of calories, dude. 100%. It really is. That's right.

00:45:46.328 --> 00:45:47.470
It's the best way to bulk.

00:45:48.801 --> 00:45:53.081
Adult human's body can no longer do it. We can't handle it anymore. Until we take juice.

00:45:53.501 --> 00:45:56.901
Well, maybe. Until we take our juice. Until we start getting on the juice.

00:45:56.901 --> 00:45:59.741
That could be the level set with the child phenom. It's like,

00:45:59.741 --> 00:46:05.021
child phenom meet 45-year-old on steroids. The steroid guy and the child phenom can... Fun battle.

00:46:05.541 --> 00:46:08.451
It's actually, it's like a clash of the titans, dude. I'm putting my money on

00:46:08.451 --> 00:46:12.281
the teenager still. I still do because theirs is natural. And skill.

00:46:12.901 --> 00:46:14.891
And they just understand the movement because you're like, fuck,

00:46:14.891 --> 00:46:18.521
man, this kid did learn at a younger age. Maybe it makes us look so bad.

00:46:18.521 --> 00:46:20.841
Yeah, they still have like muscle elasticity.

00:46:22.001 --> 00:46:23.811
We have to fight dirty. We have to fight dirty. We have to fight like Wagner

00:46:23.811 --> 00:46:27.409
when he like, I'm going to call it, he called it the Crescent Choke. It's a rape choke.

00:46:27.717 --> 00:46:30.961
He rape choked Andy Varela. Yeah, it was, I mean, it was Nogi Ezekiel,

00:46:30.961 --> 00:46:35.361
but with like the I prefer, we're called Darth Vader. It's the Darth Vader.

00:46:35.361 --> 00:46:37.221
That which is way better. Yeah, it's the Darth Vader show.

00:46:37.681 --> 00:46:40.521
He probably would appreciate that too. But you got to do shit like that.

00:46:40.521 --> 00:46:44.041
You got to find like old tough guy moves. Like, sorry, you might be better at

00:46:44.041 --> 00:46:47.383
me and Jiu-Jitsu, but I got this old tough guy shit. I still got you on that. I got to fight.

00:46:47.754 --> 00:46:51.841
See he fights you gotta wrist lock them yeah you gotta do whatever he takes,

00:46:52.357 --> 00:46:56.261
he spits his teeth at people because they are he has a fake he has prosthetic

00:46:56.261 --> 00:47:00.511
teeth he spits them out fuck yeah it's great it's good stuff legend if once

00:47:00.511 --> 00:47:03.841
you get old you gotta be dirty man he was punching him with his own hand he

00:47:03.841 --> 00:47:06.621
handled it's all good stuff it's good stuff uh.

00:47:07.648 --> 00:47:11.171
And anywhere you have a child phenom you also have,

00:47:11.961 --> 00:47:15.241
i'm gonna i i did have these separate well,

00:47:15.839 --> 00:47:20.761
no i'll keep these are two different things i'm gonna i'm just going to continue

00:47:20.761 --> 00:47:25.831
neutralize this one okay okay okay okay the mat mom slash dad i'm gonna put

00:47:25.831 --> 00:47:29.921
the slash dad on there it's the same thing but i'm gonna just to,

00:47:30.561 --> 00:47:34.561
gender neutralize it because i had it originally as the mat mom i also i also

00:47:34.561 --> 00:47:38.181
have the fathers but that's a different thing mat parent the mat parent we can

00:47:38.181 --> 00:47:42.162
go with that tell me what you mean by this uh so this is the person who like,

00:47:43.022 --> 00:47:46.168
is just looking out for everybody else on the mat.

00:47:46.813 --> 00:47:51.708
And I say that this is usually paired well with the child phenom,

00:47:51.708 --> 00:47:57.108
because this person usually is very much looking out for that person, and not in a creepy way.

00:47:57.108 --> 00:48:00.988
I want to specify that. Yeah, in a proper, in a healthy family way.

00:48:00.988 --> 00:48:04.468
They're reminding everyone, like, hey dude, they're still a kid.

00:48:04.488 --> 00:48:06.469
Yeah, yeah, yeah. They might be kicking your ass.

00:48:06.707 --> 00:48:08.493
But remember, he's still a kid.

00:48:09.148 --> 00:48:13.638
So you have that person. They look out for, and it's not just for the child

00:48:13.638 --> 00:48:17.258
phenom they're looking out for everybody on the mat you know hey make sure you

00:48:17.258 --> 00:48:21.068
tap on time yeah hey I think he's about to pass out you know.

00:48:23.688 --> 00:48:27.988
You know they're the ones hey are you okay they're looking out for everybody

00:48:27.988 --> 00:48:32.868
they're keeping it out in the actual the full room the full community yeah like a symphony they're

00:48:33.268 --> 00:48:36.518
keeping everyone in check pose over symphony yeah they're making sure everybody's

00:48:36.518 --> 00:48:40.298
alright they're making sure everyone gets their water breaks has their mouthpiece you know uh,

00:48:41.465 --> 00:48:46.939
they're keeping an eye out for everybody uh we we need these people they're important um,

00:48:48.042 --> 00:48:51.838
yeah that's the map parent you have any more notes on that i don't have i you

00:48:51.838 --> 00:48:57.718
know yeah i think people yeah yeah yeah i like that um and i i a few few names

00:48:57.718 --> 00:49:00.447
and ideas of people come to mind for that um.

00:49:02.601 --> 00:49:08.378
Yeah i suppose i've i've seen um maybe i don't know if this is considered like

00:49:08.378 --> 00:49:12.718
a mad dad kind of thing because i've known a few like older like patriarch type

00:49:12.718 --> 00:49:16.207
bros who've been in the game for like a very long time who always kind of like,

00:49:16.916 --> 00:49:21.049
they like really appreciate like the room and the culture and just kind of like the entire like.

00:49:22.506 --> 00:49:26.508
The value of that environment for obviously for themselves they've been usually

00:49:26.508 --> 00:49:28.748
it's like someone who's been around for like decades and they kind of seen it

00:49:28.748 --> 00:49:31.178
and they just get that it's like like that room and it's like dude i just want

00:49:31.178 --> 00:49:33.994
to come in this environment um and they and they,

00:49:34.702 --> 00:49:38.488
have an appreciation for all the like what the environment means like the hard

00:49:38.488 --> 00:49:42.078
work they kind of like the the glue that's that holds the whole thing together

00:49:42.078 --> 00:49:45.948
which is like the spirit of like everyone's kind of just sweating it out working

00:49:45.948 --> 00:49:49.295
hard working on something cool and difficult together and like everyone's.

00:49:50.543 --> 00:49:54.368
Getting along it's fun and there's like internal fun rivalries but it's done

00:49:54.368 --> 00:49:57.408
in a healthy competitive way and like these guys kind of like thrive off of

00:49:57.408 --> 00:50:00.638
that and they like sometimes they kind of pick like a handful of people to be

00:50:00.638 --> 00:50:03.221
like, all right, I'm going to keep an eye on this guy, this guy, and this guy.

00:50:04.028 --> 00:50:07.358
Sam Perdomo. Yeah. Sam Perdomo's got that like, yo, I just want to make sure

00:50:07.358 --> 00:50:09.368
everyone's doing good type of vibe. Good dude.

00:50:09.746 --> 00:50:13.768
Well, and sometimes this person will organize stuff outside too. Oh, yeah, true.

00:50:13.928 --> 00:50:16.528
Like, you know, to help with the community thing, like you're saying,

00:50:16.528 --> 00:50:19.298
right? Like, they'll be like, hey, let's all get together and do this.

00:50:19.298 --> 00:50:22.658
Or like, let's all go grab a bite to eat today. Or, you know,

00:50:22.658 --> 00:50:25.688
hey, let's all get together and watch the fights. So you might get some of that too from this person.

00:50:26.168 --> 00:50:27.988
Yeah, you get little bits and pieces of it. I've seen like little bits and pieces

00:50:27.988 --> 00:50:31.518
kind of distributed across a few folks like that. But yeah, like those types

00:50:31.518 --> 00:50:36.808
of role players that kind of like, yeah, they nurture like the flames of like

00:50:36.808 --> 00:50:38.688
a healthy community. Yeah. It's cool.

00:50:39.288 --> 00:50:42.368
They're good people to have around. They are. They are.

00:50:43.303 --> 00:50:45.508
So yeah, one more? Or do you want to go to confessions? No, I'm going to go

00:50:45.508 --> 00:50:48.458
to the confession here. Save a few. That was good. We have a good confession.

00:50:48.458 --> 00:50:51.169
This is from a listener. Okay.

00:50:54.169 --> 00:50:58.349
I'm not going to, I might not go, I might not go verbatim.

00:50:59.835 --> 00:51:03.355
He might, he might. Just read it. I'm just going to read it.

00:51:03.415 --> 00:51:05.255
Just read it. We won't mention his name.

00:51:06.755 --> 00:51:09.425
Fuck it. We're mentioning his name. Mikey, by the way, that's me.

00:51:09.435 --> 00:51:12.015
He's referring to me, not Mikey Musumashi. Oh, shit. I thought immediately you

00:51:12.015 --> 00:51:14.775
just called him out. I was like, nice. It is Mikey Musumashi.

00:51:15.695 --> 00:51:20.344
So, combat confession. Mikey, you were full aware of the story,

00:51:20.791 --> 00:51:24.315
but I thought I'd give some context for the listeners regarding the last,

00:51:24.795 --> 00:51:27.948
well, three episodes ago,

00:51:29.254 --> 00:51:34.135
regarding the episode talking about the jujitsu dating idea,

00:51:34.135 --> 00:51:35.406
so the jujitsu dating show.

00:51:36.695 --> 00:51:40.346
So. We had a jujitsu dating show episode?

00:51:41.075 --> 00:51:45.225
No, I mentioned that I had a buddy say that we should do a jujitsu dating show.

00:51:45.225 --> 00:51:48.003
Okay, okay, okay. So this is.

00:51:48.421 --> 00:51:52.545
Well, let's hear it. This is the guy, and this is the context behind the reason

00:51:52.545 --> 00:51:57.047
why he recommended the jiu-jitsu dating show. Oh, he wants it. All right.

00:51:58.168 --> 00:52:02.985
So, I was coming off a gold medal performance at the IBJJF Virginia Open.

00:52:02.985 --> 00:52:09.249
Beast. Back-to-back. Masters won ultra-heavy white belt gold medalist. Humble brag.

00:52:10.455 --> 00:52:16.181
The self-awareness is wonderful. Needless to say, I was really feeling myself.

00:52:16.877 --> 00:52:20.995
During the time that time of the tournament i met who i thought may be the future

00:52:20.995 --> 00:52:26.615
mrs nikki no idea who this girl was thought i'd never see her again little did

00:52:26.615 --> 00:52:31.349
i know mike with all his jiu-jitsu knowledge and connections uh.

00:52:34.366 --> 00:52:40.055
Uh the hold i need to correct the grammar because it's burning my brain uh,

00:52:42.922 --> 00:52:49.699
Little did I know, Mike knew who I was talking about, and it was worded in a

00:52:49.699 --> 00:52:51.409
weird way because it's worded to me.

00:52:52.169 --> 00:52:56.589
Yeah, let's communicate. I had to translate. If I understand it,

00:52:56.589 --> 00:52:58.049
let's start with getting me to understand it.

00:52:58.609 --> 00:53:01.919
But I'm tracking so far. You later knew who I was talking about in the group

00:53:01.919 --> 00:53:05.916
chat, and I already context here.

00:53:07.001 --> 00:53:10.829
She trains with one of my friends, so I knew who she was talking about.

00:53:11.809 --> 00:53:16.379
I knew who he was referring to. Now me, a back-to-back gold medalist,

00:53:16.379 --> 00:53:18.437
in case you all forgot. Beast.

00:53:18.855 --> 00:53:23.359
This is him talking. Yeah, yeah, of course. Knew this was my shoo-in to DM her

00:53:23.359 --> 00:53:27.789
on Instagram. By the way, I don't think you should DM people on Instagram that you mean.

00:53:29.269 --> 00:53:34.169
But whatever. DMing women on Instagram is listed as like Nikki,

00:53:34.169 --> 00:53:36.814
the number one red flag for jiu-jitsu athletes.

00:53:37.163 --> 00:53:39.069
Just so you know. Continue, continue.

00:53:39.749 --> 00:53:43.149
We can withhold judgment on him, DM you, until we get the full story,

00:53:43.149 --> 00:53:46.834
Michael. Just refrain. Now I know she's a really busy person.

00:53:47.569 --> 00:53:51.469
So she probably hasn't looked at her messages this last month.

00:53:51.469 --> 00:53:54.223
So I'm still waiting on her response and acceptance.

00:53:54.740 --> 00:53:59.279
It's just a matter of time. To all the fellas out there, you miss 100% of the

00:53:59.279 --> 00:54:00.940
shots you don't take. He's right.

00:54:01.126 --> 00:54:04.749
Pun intended, you all need to work on your wrestling take, on your takedowns.

00:54:04.749 --> 00:54:08.504
Yes, I'm a white belt. Yes, I'm calling all of you out. Blue belt energy again.

00:54:09.749 --> 00:54:14.030
There it is again. Jonah, I wonder if he'd be willing to tell us what the DM said.

00:54:15.076 --> 00:54:19.716
Oh, I mean, I can find out. We're going to burn this guy publicly because it

00:54:19.716 --> 00:54:23.726
sounds like she just I imagine I imagine he just said that, hey,

00:54:24.226 --> 00:54:28.826
I saw I she was doing G-checks at the I.

00:54:31.073 --> 00:54:34.661
Imagine, you know, that he was just like, hey, I saw you there. I thought you were cute.

00:54:35.148 --> 00:54:37.856
That's better than like after a training session, a girl you meet.

00:54:37.856 --> 00:54:42.326
You're like, hey, like, thanks for the rules. It is. That's a dude hitting on a girl.

00:54:42.826 --> 00:54:46.156
Let's let's hope. Yeah, let's. So I think he shot a shot. She said,

00:54:46.156 --> 00:54:48.076
nah, dude, that happens. Yes.

00:54:48.076 --> 00:54:51.786
That's just normal stuff. This is different than the thanks for the role.

00:54:52.346 --> 00:54:55.246
It has to be said. Yes. That has to be said. Because what he's doing,

00:54:55.246 --> 00:54:56.987
he's like, he met a girl at a public thing.

00:54:57.329 --> 00:54:59.986
Yeah, he's riding this high. He got his double gold. He's the man.

00:55:00.126 --> 00:55:02.426
Double gold. Back to back gold medal. White belt.

00:55:02.670 --> 00:55:06.406
Still savage. Happy for him. I like it. He's a sandbagger. And he hit on a girl.

00:55:06.846 --> 00:55:09.874
Well, who cares? That's fine. It's not his fault. Give him a belt then.

00:55:10.414 --> 00:55:13.346
I just, I like to remind him that he's sandbaggering. Fine. Give him a new belt.

00:55:14.546 --> 00:55:18.396
And then he DMs a girl, so nothing wrong with that. It wasn't like it was like

00:55:18.396 --> 00:55:21.116
some, and like, there's no, like.

00:55:21.206 --> 00:55:24.126
I was pointing out more so for the listeners. I think you're busting his balls

00:55:24.126 --> 00:55:26.416
a little bit. I'm also busting his balls a little bit because he's a buddy of

00:55:26.416 --> 00:55:28.060
mine. Yeah, you should, which is fine.

00:55:28.373 --> 00:55:31.226
But, you know, I don't think he did anything that weird. No.

00:55:32.026 --> 00:55:35.722
There's enough separation, and that's like him just kind of like being.

00:55:35.873 --> 00:55:38.246
It's definitely different than like the thanks for the role.

00:55:38.926 --> 00:55:42.516
The thanks for the role thing is like, well, that's also just kind of corny

00:55:42.516 --> 00:55:47.680
too. It's corny. It's weird. It's corny. corny, you know, I don't know. It's, the context is.

00:55:48.818 --> 00:55:52.816
It's just weird it's i don't know weird isn't the right you were already right

00:55:52.816 --> 00:55:56.179
there with the person just talk to them you know what i mean like it's just

00:55:56.405 --> 00:55:57.851
well there's like a bit of a like,

00:55:58.838 --> 00:56:02.666
you like there's i always will get pay respect to a dude who like lets a girl

00:56:02.666 --> 00:56:06.193
immediately know that he likes her and wants like hey like i i think you're attractive let's,

00:56:06.901 --> 00:56:11.446
let's let's i'm operating under that frame rather than being like we're friends

00:56:11.446 --> 00:56:13.338
who train together that's a little bit weirder,

00:56:13.906 --> 00:56:17.116
it's the false pretenses right correct yeah it's the false like he's he was

00:56:17.116 --> 00:56:20.146
being very direct with his shit, so I think we gotta tip our hat to him in that

00:56:20.146 --> 00:56:22.348
regard. Yes, that's true. You see what I'm saying?

00:56:22.458 --> 00:56:24.906
Yeah, this is an okay slide into the DMs.

00:56:25.266 --> 00:56:29.306
A thousand percent. Obviously, she wasn't... It didn't work. It's okay. As far as...

00:56:29.486 --> 00:56:33.606
Well, maybe he still does. I don't know. Maybe she didn't see his message. This was on...

00:56:34.026 --> 00:56:39.203
He met 11 days ago that he sent this. Oh, okay. He sent this email.

00:56:39.674 --> 00:56:43.276
So, you know, maybe in the last 11 days she responded. It's possible. I don't know.

00:56:43.276 --> 00:56:46.146
I could probably find out very quickly. I'm not going to at this very moment.

00:56:46.146 --> 00:56:48.216
Was there anything else in the story? he's just like hey what about the dating

00:56:48.216 --> 00:56:53.612
show uh he wanted to give us the context but the so the combat confession is he uh,

00:56:54.389 --> 00:57:00.406
fell in love with the the ghi check girl at the ibjjf open did he tell that he's like i love you,

00:57:01.126 --> 00:57:04.906
maybe she got it bro he went a little strong but if he if he was like i'm in

00:57:04.906 --> 00:57:08.596
love with you i'm thank you for letting me through with my ghi appreciate you

00:57:08.596 --> 00:57:12.336
passing me i appreciate you letting me through ghi check it was definitely out

00:57:12.336 --> 00:57:14.301
of spec Haha, name's Jeff.

00:57:15.346 --> 00:57:19.226
Thanks for, yeah, that's funny. Thanks for approving my gi.

00:57:20.566 --> 00:57:24.056
Yeah, all right, so he shot her note. Yeah, you know. Good for him.

00:57:24.056 --> 00:57:25.387
Which didn't work, no problem.

00:57:25.886 --> 00:57:29.282
And you know, he is back to back.

00:57:29.996 --> 00:57:33.353
Yeah. Virginia open. You should be building him up, dude. Tell him he's handsome

00:57:33.353 --> 00:57:35.301
and smart and rich and really cool.

00:57:35.534 --> 00:57:39.113
You know, he is a blue-collar man. I don't know if you knew this.

00:57:39.113 --> 00:57:40.743
I don't know anything about this guy, bro.

00:57:40.763 --> 00:57:45.402
I don't know anything about him. Nikki is a blue-collar man now, guys. And so, really.

00:57:45.634 --> 00:57:49.043
That's cool. Any woman would be lucky to have him. Yeah, there you go.

00:57:49.043 --> 00:57:50.545
And, you know. Get a fucking boy out, dog.

00:57:51.190 --> 00:57:54.243
If you're out there listening to this. You probably shouldn't.

00:57:54.243 --> 00:57:57.186
Respond to that. He probably doesn't want to date. I don't want to say that. No, no, no, no.

00:57:58.443 --> 00:58:02.523
I'm not going to dox her on here, but... Don't dox her at all.

00:58:02.903 --> 00:58:05.296
Definitely do not do that. If you have... Hey, ladies.

00:58:05.731 --> 00:58:10.063
If you have a DM sitting in your inbox... They know, dude. They know, they know.

00:58:10.443 --> 00:58:15.698
From old Nikki, back-to-back gold medalist at the Virginia Open...

00:58:16.736 --> 00:58:20.961
At least give him a reply. Don't leave him on red. Yeah. Respond.

00:58:21.442 --> 00:58:26.632
Just, I mean, worst case, just say no thank you. He's a very respectful Ohio

00:58:26.632 --> 00:58:29.062
boy. He's a good boy, huh? He's a good Ohioan.

00:58:29.882 --> 00:58:33.866
He understands. He understands. He's a good boy.

00:58:34.795 --> 00:58:39.252
You know, he knows no means no. So if you're not interested, he'll take that.

00:58:39.252 --> 00:58:42.482
He'll understand. It's okay. That's the name of the game. It's all good.

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I respect that. You know, we're just trying to make, as you have learned over

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the past few episodes here, we believe in love here on the Mimey Drinking Coffee

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podcast, and we like happy endings.

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Tell him to put a picture of that double gold on Tinder, dude. Oh, dude, you know what?

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Bumble's where it's at, apparently. Guys are getting wives. So,

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you know. You guys are getting wives on the dating apps. Actually,

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yeah, Nikki, that's right. Don't put, take your podium pictures, put them on Bumble.

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That's where the ladies who like jiu-jitsu and understand are they're not on

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tinder they're on bumble they understand that's where you need to go that's

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what's up that's where it is that is a fighters drinking coffee approved message

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right there you go to bumble with your

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we already have one success story off by him we should we should get sponsored

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i don't know what that looks what do you think a bumble sponsorship i bet it's

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pretty good probably they got money dude they you know what i bet they got money,

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all right bumble hit us up,

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somebody gets in touch with the The CEO of Bumble. If you know them.

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It's a lady. What's her face? She's hella rich, bro.

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I would hope so. She's paper. Stock in paper, dude. If you guys,

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if anyone has a direct connection with the CEO of Bumble, get us in touch.

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And that was Fighters Drinking Coffee. Yep. We love love. We do. And we love you. Yep.

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