(Ep 33) Size Isn't Everything — Mindset and Tactics for Overcoming Size Differences

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Welcome back to Fighters Drinking Coffee.

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Today we are going to talk about a few things, a few hot topics,

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big ones, and this one plays well for us because we're both lightweights,

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featherweights, we're on the smaller side comparatively to the general public, I guess.

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But so size discrepancies in the training room or in competition,

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I mean, absolute sort of thing.

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Uh but so a little bit of that size

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discrepancies training through those how to

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maximize training when there is that

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size discrepancy um you know at what point does

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skill versus size and or how do you approach that

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differently and then also some

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mindset stuff uh which which kind of

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plays into this so you know mindset the

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idea of confidence all of

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that kind of stuff feedback everything like that so um

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but so we're gonna start off with size discrepancies

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uh i mean i know personally i'm

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always the small guy in the room um i

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think the closest in size to me is like one has like 20 pounds on me for the

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most part uh with the exception of like the young bucks that come through which

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some of them are you know freshman in high school will is smaller than me But other than that.

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Uh, everyone else is, you know, much larger.

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Um, you know, we have a good portion of guys in like the two 15 and up range.

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So like there's, there's definitely a size difference for me.

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Um, and it does, you do have to play a different game so you don't, it, it can create a,

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practicing on things that you might not be

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using against smaller people but it can also make you better at things to do

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against smaller people um but let's pass that to you at this point then i'll

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i'll go back on some more stuff there afterwards all right yeah well um cool question cool com or,

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conversation thread when um i'll start off with i guess when i very first started

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training jujitsu in 2005, I weighed more than 40 pounds less than I do now.

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And I'm still not a huge guy. I just have gained a lot of weight.

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Gained a lot of weight. I really let myself go.

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Psych, I've seen if you're less than it's all muscle, baby. But he's just finally

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realized his potential of being not victim weight. Yes.

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Full victim weight. Anyways, I bring it up because it's kind of a fun topic to talk about, dude.

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Like this, in a lot of ways, I think is why people start training jujitsu.

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Well, it was one of the major selling points, right? Like the smaller guy,

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the smaller, weaker person can overcome the larger guy.

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That's always been a selling point for jujitsu. Definitely, definitely.

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And I think it's when it comes to like the training room and like the technology,

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technology the techniques or the approach that you use to overcome size disparities

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it's that like that that training with someone bigger than you stronger than

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you um it is different than,

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when you you know like years ago for both of us when we started competing because

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like when you compete you compete in weight classes although as you said they're

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open classes and you've done some recently so we should,

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talk about that and that experience as it relates to this subject.

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But my reason for saying that is because it's two different ways to train,

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two different, like you do have to think differently.

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About your opponent, in quotes, your training partner, if it's like on the mat

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in your training room, your academy.

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But when you're going against a big dude, you're going to have to do it differently

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than a dude your size or smaller.

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It's just, you're going to use different skills. you're going

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to use different strategies techniques tactics all that

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um but it was i liken it back to like this

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is probably the reason why most people and people listening and

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you and i who started doing this forever ago

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this was like this is one of the selling points like you said it's like hey

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like i want to get in here and like the point of learning a martial art is to

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be able to defend yourself against anybody but for sure people bigger than you

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and um i i uh i've referenced just a few times on the show,

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but I remember like, I'll never forget like the first submission I ever landed

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on someone back when I was like 120 pounds.

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So like definitely someone bigger than me. It was an arm bar from my garden.

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I was like, yo man, this is, whoa, cool.

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Dude tapped out. I'm like, this is, uh, okay. This stuff works.

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That was awesome. And that was one of like the light bowl moments.

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Like, yo, I got, I'm definitely going to keep doing this, uh, many,

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many years ago but uh but yeah so okay

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um how do you do that or what

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does that look like um you know when you're brand new

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and you don't know anything about jiu-jitsu you're

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gonna get like submitted by tiny dudes huge dudes tiny

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ladies bigger ladies like you're gonna be by everybody um and there's definitely

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like a humbling aspect to it and size matters like it does yeah now like i think

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the like a I don't know like the root of this question is probably oriented around.

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Technique and skill overcoming those size discrepancies and it certainly can and it will,

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it can and it will if you if you know how to do that correctly like when do

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you use certain assets when do you use certain techniques like you have to rely

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on timing and you have to rely on like you really have to understand the principles

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of the martial art to overcome size and strength,

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it's um it's it's going to be a challenge mentally but again like taking a step

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back that's why everyone who steps onto the mat to train like they're looking to learn those things.

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Um i mean i can get pretty nitty-gritty with this dude um i

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don't know if i'm getting ahead of myself here on that but i think

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like just like the since we're talking about it since i'm kind of

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rattling off my thoughts on it what like when for me when i talk to when i either

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like if i'm doing this myself like i'll have when i'm on the mat throughout

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the week or throughout the month and um a lot of my training is oriented around

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preparing for tournaments like that style of training, like I mentioned a minute ago,

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where you have weight class specific objectives.

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So there is a fair amount of my training that's oriented around dudes in my size range,

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plus or minus 10 to 15 pounds, we'll say somewhere in that range to keep it,

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relevant to people with mobility, athleticism, strength, size,

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like that replicates who I'm going to be competing against.

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Cause like if I have a goal coming up like that, it still makes sense to do that most of the time.

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But every once in a while, you got to ride the bull dude. You got to go against

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the new dude in the room who's a big maniac or you just, you got to go with

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someone else of a different size.

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And that's, that's super valuable because again, that's why we all came here.

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So I like from time to time doing that and saying like, all right,

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like, let's get back in this. Let's fight the big dudes.

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Let's, you know, remind ourselves that we can do that.

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But I think, like, simply put, when you're going against someone bigger than you,

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we, in jiu-jitsu specifically, this is true for a lot of, like,

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grappling arts, but you, and we talked about these concepts that,

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like, once upon a time, I didn't really know what they meant,

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even if I was implementing them, but, like, things like leverage and,

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The word leverage. Yeah. Like finding and positioning yourself in a way that

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you can move a bigger dude around. Like it can be done.

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It just has to be done with crisp timing, with precision, and like with a very tactical approach.

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Like you can move someone around, but really what I would argue is the game

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when you're a little dude versus a big dude is not moving them as much.

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I like my attitude towards a lot of things in jiu-jitsu, and I tell this to

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my students all the time.

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It's like, get the other person to move for you so you can move around them.

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Yeah. I mean, when, when I'm rolling with big dudes, my, well.

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I'm going to preface this with the guys that are significantly larger.

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So I'm talking beyond the 20 to 30 pound mark.

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200 pound plus guys. Yeah. Right. We're talking, you know, once you get over

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the, once you get over like 180, once you're getting into 200, you're clearing 200.

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Like that's really where the game changes for me. um

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for because that's where

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the physical like size

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really changes where you start to get really tall dudes that

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are also really big versus like either guys

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who are just tall or guys that are just big right like so i think

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that's usually where that size changes um as

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we call them thick boy club at our gym um

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but so that's where i start to see like the major difference and how or that's

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where i start to change how i roll uh where instead of looking for all right

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i need to pin it over power it becomes more of a space game and looking for like those.

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Little bits those little gaps of daylight right rather than oh i'm going to

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create this space and take it away.

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It's I'm going to look for the space that they're leaving me versus trying to

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make space. Like, right.

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Does that make sense? So like, it's like what you're talking about, having them move for me.

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But then when they leave that little bit of air, I'm going to take it.

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I'm going to like get out of that spot because once I'm on top,

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like I can play the float game. I can start to surf and like you can get if

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you're really, if you have really good hip mobility and you're good at floating,

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it works really well on big dudes because like.

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They, you start to get into that, like, well, I can just move my hips quicker

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in space and I don't need as much room to move. So I can, I can take the little

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bits of room that that person needs more.

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Their circle's bigger, right? Like you start to lose that.

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Um, I always talk about that with guard passing, like the person on the outside

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has to move further than the person on the inside.

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But once you get a big enough size discrepancy, well,

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I actually don't have to move as far as they do because i have less to move

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so um so like

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that's kind of where i find the difference starts

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to occur because their movement opens

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up more room for me and i can do those little inch movements to take away the

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space like you're talking about well and like i like the serving uh concept

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too because what what i like about that this is another thing where it's like

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if you're gonna like try to like analyze and game plan out how do i like how

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do i compete against a bigger person,

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I think number one like can you make them tired try to

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get them moving around make them tired so it's like if you're if you're looking at

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their their assets like a video game like I always with my guys I always tell

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them it's like everyone has like a health meter like you're playing street fighter

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mortal combat or whatever and uh that health meter is comprised of all the various

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skills they have and assets they have size strength power technique all that

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um and if you can start to bring that health meter down.

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You can level the playing field a little bit. And so what you're describing,

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so another tactic for going against big dudes,

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the surfing thing works really well, I think, because if you're surfing around

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on a big guy, they're on their back, you're passing their guard or whatever,

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you're navigating from a top position,

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they want to move you around.

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That's sort of the temptation for the big dude. I mean, they can.

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They can literally kind of spin you around like a piece of pizza.

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But if you're surfing with it, you're just creating work for them.

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That doesn't necessarily produce value for, from their position.

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Cause like you're kind of allowing yourself to move and you're just getting

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to do like little leg presses or hip extensions and many little bench presses.

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And every time they do that, it takes that health meter down a little bit.

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And down a little bit. And down a little bit. Then you start to see them getting frustrated.

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That's how you know it's working. Right, right, right, right.

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And then that's where like for, okay, it's smaller people.

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Like if this is, these are generalities, but if you're smaller,

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um, are you faster? Is your timing better?

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Because like I said, generalities, these are usual skill assets that if you

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want to just put on paper, like I said, very much assumptions,

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but it's sort of like your safe

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assumptions of the bigger guy is probably stronger, but maybe not as fast.

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Smaller guy, not as strong, but a little bit faster. And hopefully a little

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bit better skills-wise, like accurate, good timing, all of that.

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But you're going to have to create situations where these guys are moving around,

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they're being big, they're being strong, they're kind of flopping around, and

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you have to outmaneuver them and then to your

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point earlier it's like you use the space concept which

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is when space expands and contracts and

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you've seen opening this is like there's a sense of urgency for the little guy it's

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like you see the opportunity you got to take it like you

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got to execute on that because you know like you are the smaller dude uh anyone

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listen to this remembers maybe the the the tv show game of thrones seen game

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of thrones oh yeah remember when um the mountain fights that uh fights Pedro

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Pascal and busts his head wide open.

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Yeah, at the end, after dying. Guy had an opportunity. He should have attacked

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the opportunity to cut his fucking head off, man. Like, yeah.

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Well, not after dying. Well, wasn't it zombie? No, it was right before he died.

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Before zombie. Yeah, right before he dies. Zombie Mountain. Yeah.

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He also dies. Hey, man, look. Guy had an opportunity and started fucking off

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and then got his head bust open like a pumpkin or whatever, like a melon.

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Should have just fucking taken the kill.

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Like, if you have the opportunity when you see it, you gotta execute on it.

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Which is true for like all styles of training against all competitors,

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but it's going to be very noticeable when, like, I mean, ask yourself this,

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like we do all this maneuvering and all this movement like you described,

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surfing, whatever it is, to create opportunities.

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This, again, this is another true thing for whatever your opponent's body type

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is, but I just find that it's most noticeable against big dudes because like

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ask yourself this, like don't, you want to get to a position,

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a dominant position to submit them.

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However many opportunities, like you're kind of gambling on,

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well, if you fuck off, if you stall out like the dude who got beat by the mountain,

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like you're just, you're being a little arrogant with your opportunities and

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you're assuming that your opportunities are bigger than they are.

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So don't do that. Like assume that you don't have that many opportunities.

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And so when you create one, you got to execute it. You got to get to that top

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position because you don't want the mountain to squeeze your eyeballs.

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You want to be around your opponent.

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And then once you get there, you need to maintain that. um

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so it's it's there is this like burden for

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is this true for everybody big small whatever

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like everyone's trying to improve their skills but like if you're looking at

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um if you're maybe a blue belt going against a white belt big dude like you're

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there's like that that size like i said earlier size matters like that size

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is gonna probably level the playing field in terms of

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like the raw abilities when that match takes place.

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So blue belt's going to have to leverage and execute superior technique and

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awareness and intelligence for what's taking place because the playing field will be level.

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Like it's like you may be like 130 pound black belt, but like you get a 200

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pound good blue belt. It could be an even matchup.

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Especially like all it takes is that one little hiccup and then they're on top

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of you and you can't get them off, right?

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Like that's that's what we're describing yeah well it's like I mean how many

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this has happened to me lots of times against guys who like on paper quote unquote

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aren't as good as me the rank isn't as high as me I like using wrestlers as

00:15:39.949 --> 00:15:42.589
a good example because they're just so like tough positionally to beat,

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and I do want to talk in a minute about like stylistic ways to attack big people

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because there are ways stylistically that like.

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That really exploit these, these size discrepancies. But my favorite example

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is like with, with the wrestlers we have at DMA or, or wherever,

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but just my anecdotes are going to be like DMA related since that's the vast

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majority of my training.

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Um, but I'll ask you this question too. Have you ever like tried to take a really

00:16:08.163 --> 00:16:11.803
good wrestlers back and like you almost have it, but the hooks aren't in like

00:16:11.803 --> 00:16:14.683
their backs exposed, but they just kind of like, you go into X and they just

00:16:14.683 --> 00:16:16.923
kind of roll you off of them happens all the time.

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Um, and this is just an example of like you were

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so close to having that good position then bang you're not you're

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not there you flop over you fall over you're on your back like fuck man

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like you got to be resilient a little bit too in those situations and not get

00:16:28.903 --> 00:16:32.403
demoralized you're like i almost had this really good thing and just kind of

00:16:32.403 --> 00:16:36.423
give up mindset stuff we can get to in a second too you got to run that back

00:16:36.423 --> 00:16:39.843
you got to be like tenacious to say i'll do it again until i get it right but

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um that's just an example of like a poorly executed opportunity where you're

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like dude, I'm about to get this good position.

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You have to execute. You have got to hit those positions.

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That's another mindset. Like I said, a lot of that stuff actually kind of translates

00:16:53.703 --> 00:16:58.463
over to the next subject we'll get to whenever we want. Still a lot of meat and the bones here.

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But you have to close these loops off. You have to respect and appreciate the

00:17:05.263 --> 00:17:06.983
openings you have for offense.

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And because of the size discrepancy, it's going to be tougher to pull stuff off on big positions.

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And, you know, and when they're big and athletic, that's going to be a handful.

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And pretty, and skilled as well. Because these guys are not like,

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you know, unless they're like brand new trial class guys with zero experience.

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Like these dudes, like someone on the mat, one of your 200 plus guys.

00:17:24.282 --> 00:17:25.902
Like you have a guy who won, was it Pans?

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He won Worlds. Yeah, he just won Masters Worlds. He's ultra heavy. Yeah, he.

00:17:30.242 --> 00:17:33.562
And won, he's double gold for Masters Worlds. Hey, shout out to,

00:17:33.622 --> 00:17:37.582
it's John, right? Big John. Shout out to big ass John, dude. Big ass John's good.

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And he's big. He's ultra big, literally ultra heavy.

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Um like he's he knows shit too is what i'm saying so

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it's like you have to consider all of these things and say hey i've got this opportunity to

00:17:47.562 --> 00:17:50.302
take this guy's back i gotta get the job done yeah you better

00:17:50.302 --> 00:17:52.982
you better take it and take it right and get it and get

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there yeah lock that in that's right secure the position

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that's right correctly that's right yeah that's right me and me

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and counting talked about this morning in training where we were doing a

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positional and i almost had his back and i already

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had like a rear naked choke in but i didn't have his back and i didn't have

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just the right position and like how doon's a little bit bigger than me he's

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not like crazy bigger than me but he's a little bit bigger than me and he's

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just he's also good so it's uh maybe an example of and then we talked afterwards

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about how uh he was like man i felt a lot of pressure on that choke i just didn't

00:18:21.062 --> 00:18:23.242
want to tap like you shouldn't he one he didn't tap,

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and two i was like dude don't tap like that was good like i wasn't where i needed

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to be to seal the deal on this yeah the choke wasn't real yet that's right yeah

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it was like it felt like it was almost really in my head i knew i was like dude

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i guess i need to maneuver a little bit more i'm not there.

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But I have a really good grip. And the issue for me in this situation,

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maybe there's something people can listen to here, was that I had such a good,

00:18:44.522 --> 00:18:48.342
clean entry for the choke, but that's only part of the equation.

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That choke isn't complete if I can't positionally set myself up to execute it.

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Probably there were maybe some small things in that very specific configuration

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where I wasn't quite chest to back on him to really seal the deal on just an

00:19:01.622 --> 00:19:04.062
old school, by the book, rear naked choke.

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So I was a little bit off. Had I maybe altered the way I approached my grip,

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maybe there was an opportunity for me to do it even with that slight imbalance on position.

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But point being here, I was off, didn't have the position.

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Next thing you know, I'm not getting the choke. He's getting out of the,

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he's, he's escaping that into another, like we're still, game's still going,

00:19:24.422 --> 00:19:26.842
you know, timer goes off, high five knuckles. We debrief a little bit,

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we go into the next drill.

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But it's an example of that where it's like, yo man, like I almost had what

00:19:31.222 --> 00:19:32.822
I needed, but she wasn't quite there.

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I still had some work to do. And credit to him for just not letting me do it.

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So that's why afterwards, like, he's hard on himself, and he's always,

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but he's always asking good questions because he just wants to get better.

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So he's over here, like, thinking he lost. I'm like, dude, I kind of think you won that.

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In my opinion, man, like, I mean, I'm over here, like, looking at the,

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I'm looking at the finish line. I just can't quite reach it.

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Stop me. Yeah, he- That was your job. He stopped you from scoring the points you needed to score.

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And I think I was, and I think I started for the, for the, in,

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like, this use case, I think I was the one, if I recall, starting in the top tacking position, too.

00:20:06.120 --> 00:20:08.720
So my job was to finish it. His job really just was to stop me.

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He had superlative jobs in that game as well. But as far as I'm concerned,

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his baseline objective was accomplished.

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Mine was not yeah and in the in the

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context of that game you needed eight points to

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win that's right i we did assign like they had

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he had a job too but at the same time like theoretically speak

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like in a real world like if you took that put that real world

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if the other person needs eight points to beat you you're winning he won that's

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what i'm saying yeah that's what i'm saying so exactly that's why so he was

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like again just wanted to build the context of people who weren't good context

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yeah that's that's the point um so even if i'm air like in air quotes like i'm

00:20:46.440 --> 00:20:50.300
in the winning position which i was i didn't finish it so yeah it's just a good example of like hey.

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You're almost there you have got to execute these

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little fine details you just got to hold yourself accountable to it um

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and credit to the other people who like acknowledge their skills their size

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their whatever like gotta overcome that yeah and

00:21:02.340 --> 00:21:05.120
before because that that could be a good segue into the next

00:21:05.120 --> 00:21:07.920
thing but before we do that i have just a little bit more

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i want to say yeah for people listening before we before

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we cross over into like that mindset portion of

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it and like the mentality of bjj um but so uh i i've recently did a lot of well

00:21:23.380 --> 00:21:28.120
not a lot but well i guess i've done a decent portion of absolutes i competed

00:21:28.120 --> 00:21:31.800
in them last year i competed in two just a couple months ago um.

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Probably gonna do some more pans because I, I, I guess I just can't get enough.

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I got to be got Napoleon syndrome, I guess. I like it.

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Um, but so there's a goat. There's definitely a, there's definitely a turning point, right?

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Like, and you can feel it too when you're as good or you can feel that your

00:21:55.733 --> 00:22:00.253
skill level was higher, but that, or, or the same, whatever.

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But that like you just could not overcome that

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like that size disparity was enough right

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like yeah so like i was going against a guy at um in the absolutes for virginia

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open this was in the semi-vinals um and the like there was definitely that like

00:22:21.273 --> 00:22:25.833
all right i don't think this guy's jujitsu is better.

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But I mean there's only when you got

00:22:29.593 --> 00:22:32.593
a guy's leg up and you know

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sometimes they grab something they can generate so much more momentum into it

00:22:36.893 --> 00:22:40.713
to you know because he basically ended up doing he ended up just like rolling

00:22:40.713 --> 00:22:44.693
me through they can put so much more momentum but you're like you know like

00:22:44.693 --> 00:22:48.953
I think I was really winning those wrestling exchanges but you know obviously

00:22:48.953 --> 00:22:52.293
he just bigger dude you know so like.

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There's definitely, and my coach, Professor Jason, afterwards was like,

00:22:58.038 --> 00:22:59.518
he's like, that guy was not better than you.

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Like, you just, it was one of those things where just size was the factor.

00:23:06.118 --> 00:23:07.698
So, like, it definitely makes a difference.

00:23:08.378 --> 00:23:15.598
You know, like, obviously, jiu-jitsu can be an equalizer if that other person

00:23:15.598 --> 00:23:18.158
does not know jiu-jitsu, right?

00:23:18.338 --> 00:23:22.258
Like, and obviously, there's space in between that.

00:23:22.258 --> 00:23:29.638
Like, yeah, I can, the, the big 220 white belt who doesn't have any other grappling

00:23:29.638 --> 00:23:35.338
experience, even at my big 155, you know,

00:23:35.778 --> 00:23:37.878
uh, you know, I can still take it to them.

00:23:37.978 --> 00:23:40.878
I can apply, I haven't, I know how to apply top pressure and stuff like that,

00:23:40.898 --> 00:23:42.598
but there is a difference.

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Like when I roll with John, like, I think it was Thursday I was rolling with

00:23:46.458 --> 00:23:50.578
him. I mean, dude threw me three feet, like literally threw me three feet across

00:23:50.578 --> 00:23:53.998
the mat when we were doing like positional sparring.

00:23:55.378 --> 00:23:59.558
So, you know, there's a point. He has a lot of experience. He's really good.

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Obviously, One World's wrestled at a collegiate level with national qualifier.

00:24:04.498 --> 00:24:05.798
Like, dude's legit. Yeah.

00:24:06.898 --> 00:24:11.698
But dude has 100 pounds on me. Like, I have no room for error there.

00:24:11.838 --> 00:24:17.038
That's right. So, you know, in as, but so I guess where this is taking me is

00:24:17.038 --> 00:24:23.238
what do you think that like grading curve is right?

00:24:23.238 --> 00:24:31.518
Like there's, I think there is kind of a, a curve for the size discrepancy and

00:24:31.518 --> 00:24:35.558
like, you know, if baseline is actual rank.

00:24:36.374 --> 00:24:40.234
What is the difference in weight to where, like, well, you know,

00:24:40.514 --> 00:24:44.554
not, not rank as in color, but like skill level, you know, you have your baseline

00:24:44.554 --> 00:24:45.874
skill level, ability or something.

00:24:45.894 --> 00:24:50.994
And then you have like a, a grading curve and maybe it's probably not a bell curve.

00:24:51.154 --> 00:24:53.954
It's just a fucking slope, I guess. It's some sort of other curve,

00:24:54.014 --> 00:24:54.914
but it goes one direction.

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There's not, there's not a point where it, maybe there's a point where it tips

00:24:57.674 --> 00:25:00.034
down. Maybe. They get really sloppy, I guess. Well, they get really,

00:25:00.134 --> 00:25:02.334
they get so big that they get tired quickly. Yeah. Sure.

00:25:02.834 --> 00:25:05.494
Immobily large. um but you know like

00:25:05.494 --> 00:25:08.174
i guess what's would you what would you

00:25:08.174 --> 00:25:11.294
assign in this super arbitrary curve that

00:25:11.294 --> 00:25:14.174
we're building i know what you're asking that's an interesting question because

00:25:14.174 --> 00:25:16.954
i i've been kind of thinking about this while

00:25:16.954 --> 00:25:20.214
you're talking and like there's definitely there's somewhere

00:25:20.214 --> 00:25:23.434
right like there's there is like staging

00:25:23.434 --> 00:25:26.874
points for what those weights are like well you

00:25:26.874 --> 00:25:30.454
know you lose this much skill uh

00:25:30.454 --> 00:25:33.394
you know like so say for your you know in your instance let's just

00:25:33.394 --> 00:25:36.814
say you're you know you're the black belt there are white belt where are those

00:25:36.814 --> 00:25:41.494
like oh well this weight difference is more like rolling with a blue belt this

00:25:41.494 --> 00:25:46.974
difference is more like rolling with a pro belt so good question i just maybe

00:25:46.974 --> 00:25:51.414
there's like a math nerd out there who can come up with like an algorithm for us to figure that out but.

00:25:52.574 --> 00:25:55.814
Um yeah dude good good fair question

00:25:55.814 --> 00:25:58.474
dude i'll take a stab at i

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mean i don't know the exact answer i'm not the math nerd to do it this is

00:26:01.134 --> 00:26:04.414
partially i would say how about like every 50 pounds that's another belt rank

00:26:04.414 --> 00:26:07.834
yeah like a full belt rank every 50 that's a full belt rank of every 50 pounds

00:26:07.834 --> 00:26:12.034
and then if you add it's like you then stack that plus every six months of experience

00:26:12.034 --> 00:26:15.234
i have it's at least another stripe or two you have like a couple you have like

00:26:15.234 --> 00:26:20.434
two lines and then you're there lines somewhere in there right like that's got to factor into it too,

00:26:21.354 --> 00:26:24.334
um yeah so like a every six months

00:26:24.334 --> 00:26:28.114
is a new stripe on the on the on the metaphorical ability

00:26:28.114 --> 00:26:31.434
meter skill meter plus the 50 pound discrepancy as

00:26:31.434 --> 00:26:34.294
a whole belt um and then

00:26:34.294 --> 00:26:40.334
yeah let's that's just what my gut tells me bro uh so basically rolling with

00:26:40.334 --> 00:26:47.234
so just for the scenario bin using big john he's been doing jujitsu for two

00:26:47.234 --> 00:26:53.254
three years okay so that's six six month intervals six so yeah That's six stripes. Six stripes.

00:26:53.454 --> 00:26:59.154
So that makes him a one-stripe purple belt plus 100 pounds would make him...

00:26:59.154 --> 00:27:01.554
Brown belt. Like rolling with a brown belt, right?

00:27:01.774 --> 00:27:05.054
Yeah. Decent analogy. I mean, you tell me if that... No, I think that's a pretty

00:27:05.054 --> 00:27:08.614
fair, like... You roll them, so you know. I think that's a pretty fair, like...

00:27:09.701 --> 00:27:14.041
Cause like, you know, I'm not necessarily like, I've been a pro belt for a long

00:27:14.041 --> 00:27:17.521
time. So, uh, but you know, so like competitive rounds, that's what you're saying.

00:27:18.181 --> 00:27:21.221
But you notice these things. I think it's a pretty, like, I think that's a pretty

00:27:21.221 --> 00:27:27.641
fair, and obviously there is, depending on their success rate,

00:27:27.801 --> 00:27:31.041
like there's probably a little bit of, there's always a margin to bear,

00:27:31.221 --> 00:27:33.141
right? I think that's pretty fair.

00:27:33.341 --> 00:27:36.821
Like, cause there's another guy who's also a blue belt. he's about

00:27:36.821 --> 00:27:39.841
220 and it's probably like rolling with another

00:27:39.841 --> 00:27:42.721
you know it's more similar to rolling with another

00:27:42.721 --> 00:27:45.941
purple belt i mean obviously there's skill there is still skill difference

00:27:45.941 --> 00:27:50.041
but like i have to push harder with those bigger guys so i mean it's probably

00:27:50.041 --> 00:27:55.121
more yeah i think that's a super fair super fair uh difference cool yeah no

00:27:55.121 --> 00:27:59.041
i think that's a good curve maybe we should draw a chart we could try we should

00:27:59.041 --> 00:28:02.961
try to do that uh yeah last thing on uh on the big dudes um Um,

00:28:03.781 --> 00:28:10.281
like with big people or like really skilled wrestlers, you can just move their body so well.

00:28:10.421 --> 00:28:16.441
The body, when the body is difficult to control, I like going after appendages,

00:28:17.081 --> 00:28:19.641
not arms usually because arms, you know, there's a lot of strength in arms.

00:28:19.781 --> 00:28:22.101
There's a lot of strength in legs too, but I like going down and grabbing their

00:28:22.101 --> 00:28:24.341
ankles and grabbing their necks. Ankles and necks for sure.

00:28:24.581 --> 00:28:28.341
Ankles and necks is go to the book ends because it is certain point,

00:28:28.481 --> 00:28:31.421
like the, the, the end extremities where they're like those are like your your

00:28:31.421 --> 00:28:34.281
your targets with the fewest like attached.

00:28:35.901 --> 00:28:39.241
Um what would you say uh they're the

00:28:39.241 --> 00:28:42.081
most vulnerable targets the further you get away from the bigger

00:28:42.081 --> 00:28:44.941
muscles from the core that's right that's basically it it is that

00:28:44.941 --> 00:28:47.821
um i mean the legs the feet are attached to

00:28:47.821 --> 00:28:50.761
big muscles but like the feet are at the bottom hinging above the

00:28:50.761 --> 00:28:53.921
the calf hinging up to the you know the quad and hamstring they're

00:28:53.921 --> 00:28:56.901
the most disconnected from the large leg muscles that kind

00:28:56.901 --> 00:29:00.361
of goes into like the game planning thing where it's like you know mountain versus

00:29:00.361 --> 00:29:03.081
uh other guy dude like he had like some sort

00:29:03.081 --> 00:29:05.841
of venom on his sword or whatever like should have just stuck to that and kept

00:29:05.841 --> 00:29:11.141
his distance i'm not trying to get it in i like the uh the the hand grip hand

00:29:11.141 --> 00:29:15.001
grip can be good where you actually grab the hand or like do like the hand like

00:29:15.001 --> 00:29:19.121
anything where you don't have to commit both hands i'm with the grip i'm seems

00:29:19.121 --> 00:29:20.541
to work pretty well i'm with it.

00:29:21.021 --> 00:29:26.941
I like those types of moves for buying opportunities to get to the next thing with big dudes.

00:29:27.081 --> 00:29:29.941
I avoid getting in arm wrestling matches with big guys.

00:29:30.681 --> 00:29:33.501
Even though all of us it's not like we have no strength.

00:29:34.381 --> 00:29:37.321
We have to know when to apply the strength against the bigger dude.

00:29:38.281 --> 00:29:40.941
The idea is basically it's like you fight them where they're weak not where

00:29:40.941 --> 00:29:44.501
they're strong and they're fucking strong with their arms. Hand? Yes, I can use that.

00:29:44.821 --> 00:29:47.341
I'll use it, try to immobilize that big ass strong arm and then move around

00:29:47.341 --> 00:29:49.801
it as soon as I can and then get to the neck.

00:29:50.599 --> 00:29:54.459
Get to the ankle and twist that shit or squeeze that shit if it's their head.

00:29:55.039 --> 00:29:58.859
And then that's where I'll be strong, strong as fuck. I'll devote all my shit.

00:29:59.719 --> 00:30:02.599
If you're dividing and conquering up their body into little subunits,

00:30:02.679 --> 00:30:05.719
you have to concentrate all your force on whatever your target is.

00:30:05.799 --> 00:30:09.599
And that's another, I guess, carbon copy of that idea where I was saying,

00:30:09.699 --> 00:30:12.999
it's like if you have an opportunity, you've got to go all in on it. You can't half-ass it.

00:30:13.859 --> 00:30:17.319
And then pray that it works. Or you're getting smushed. yeah

00:30:17.319 --> 00:30:20.039
hopefully they uh you you have you

00:30:20.039 --> 00:30:23.479
do have to commit full ass to whatever you're gonna do to them for sure yeah

00:30:23.479 --> 00:30:26.759
it's just like again you respect those 50 pound

00:30:26.759 --> 00:30:32.899
and every six months skill to skill ability whatever rankings metaphorical rankings

00:30:32.899 --> 00:30:36.819
yeah remember that the the color around your waist does not matter when there's

00:30:36.819 --> 00:30:41.599
that many pounds but yeah i mean it doesn't matter what yeah yeah it doesn't

00:30:41.599 --> 00:30:45.499
yeah that's just an extent it's it's it's it's like a um,

00:30:46.039 --> 00:30:49.079
it's like a it's a it's an accreditation to you individually

00:30:49.079 --> 00:30:52.019
for the work you've done but it's like when people like

00:30:52.019 --> 00:30:55.239
other people are trying to do that work too so yeah it's it is not the purple

00:30:55.239 --> 00:30:58.499
belts the brown belts and other black belts they're coming after you yeah it's

00:30:58.499 --> 00:31:03.479
also just a target yeah exactly like nice like i'll i'll i'll go submit a black

00:31:03.479 --> 00:31:07.159
belt i'm gonna fucking go beast mode on this guy like gives people like an ego

00:31:07.159 --> 00:31:09.619
boost they want that yeah yeah for for sure.

00:31:09.979 --> 00:31:15.899
Um, speaking of ego boosts and all that, uh, so, um.

00:31:16.819 --> 00:31:22.399
Another part, like in, in this actually, it, it does, it does tie into the con

00:31:22.399 --> 00:31:28.139
like these, you know, training with bigger people and, you know,

00:31:28.959 --> 00:31:34.019
there is an aspect of that self-belief, that inner monologue,

00:31:34.359 --> 00:31:37.919
the confidence that you have in yourself and your abilities.

00:31:39.379 --> 00:31:46.539
And you kind of have to have that when you go in. And a little bit of self-awareness, right?

00:31:47.579 --> 00:31:52.319
Knowing that that round with that person isn't the be-all, end-all.

00:31:52.459 --> 00:31:55.259
You have to know that, hey, I'm still good at this.

00:31:56.499 --> 00:31:59.279
Even when you go against these bigger guys and you lose, you also have to have

00:31:59.279 --> 00:32:03.399
the confidence to roll with those bigger guys and kind of have to believe that

00:32:03.399 --> 00:32:06.199
you have a chance, right? Because you do, everyone does.

00:32:06.559 --> 00:32:09.579
But if you don't believe you have a chance against those bigger guys,

00:32:09.739 --> 00:32:12.939
you're definitely not going to have a chance against those bigger guys.

00:32:13.959 --> 00:32:17.119
But it also goes beyond the training room. It goes into competition.

00:32:17.519 --> 00:32:24.979
It goes into all of that. And the concept of confidence, the concept of the

00:32:24.979 --> 00:32:29.339
self-awareness and belief in oneself,

00:32:30.299 --> 00:32:33.459
is probably one of the more important things,

00:32:34.089 --> 00:32:39.609
like traits of your, of like yourself, your mentality when it comes to jujitsu,

00:32:39.729 --> 00:32:46.209
especially competition. Um, and we were just sitting here looking at my pants bracket, right.

00:32:47.289 --> 00:32:51.249
And it will, it'll still be relevant when this comes out.

00:32:51.609 --> 00:32:53.909
Um, but so, you know, we're looking at it and we have to be like,

00:32:53.969 --> 00:32:58.769
all right, well, like, all right, this guy's done this, this guy I've competed against him before.

00:32:59.329 --> 00:33:02.569
Um, I was injured. I could definitely beat him this time around.

00:33:02.609 --> 00:33:07.969
Like, I feel like even when I was injured, I felt like I was still the better person on the mat.

00:33:08.129 --> 00:33:13.089
And like, regardless of the truth of that outside of my own mentality,

00:33:13.729 --> 00:33:20.909
which I still think is true, but outside of that, like you have to have that belief, right?

00:33:21.029 --> 00:33:25.409
You have to think that I've talked about this as a guest on podcast.

00:33:25.649 --> 00:33:28.229
You have to think you're better than everyone else. Like you have to think you're

00:33:28.229 --> 00:33:29.669
better than the people you're going to go against.

00:33:29.669 --> 00:33:32.509
Not like in a level outside of jiu-jitsu

00:33:32.509 --> 00:33:35.289
you don't have to think you're the better person you just have to think

00:33:35.289 --> 00:33:39.889
you have you can be the better you are the better competitor you are better

00:33:39.889 --> 00:33:44.029
at jiu-jitsu that's the belief you have to have outside like you don't have

00:33:44.029 --> 00:33:48.029
to think they might whatever outside jiu-jitsu it doesn't matter doesn't matter

00:33:48.029 --> 00:33:52.869
who's better outside jiu-jitsu what you have to focus on is i am going to be

00:33:52.869 --> 00:33:54.309
the better person on the mat today.

00:33:55.226 --> 00:34:00.186
That is the belief you have to have. And when you lose, you have to still have that belief, right?

00:34:00.406 --> 00:34:03.946
Because otherwise, you'll quit. You're going to quit. Or like,

00:34:04.546 --> 00:34:08.166
I have another, I have, you have another tournament coming up.

00:34:08.426 --> 00:34:13.186
You don't have time to think, oh man, I suck at this, right?

00:34:13.306 --> 00:34:16.606
Like, you have to be like, you know what? That person showed up today, I didn't.

00:34:16.846 --> 00:34:19.626
I'm still better at this. I'm going to show up next week and I'm going to win.

00:34:20.026 --> 00:34:21.946
Like, I mean, I lost last weekend.

00:34:22.506 --> 00:34:25.026
Can't let that get in the way. You won and you lost. I won and I lost.

00:34:25.026 --> 00:34:30.166
But I lost a match last weekend. It's like, all right, I get five minutes to be bummed about this.

00:34:30.666 --> 00:34:35.206
And then I need to, and then you have to kind of rationalize it to yourself and move on, right?

00:34:35.286 --> 00:34:38.206
Like, all right, well, why did that person win?

00:34:38.286 --> 00:34:41.726
All right, well, they, you know, they trained in this scenario,

00:34:41.926 --> 00:34:43.866
which we're going to get to in a different episode, but like,

00:34:43.946 --> 00:34:47.166
you know, they know how to use, they were better at these three things. But you know what?

00:34:47.646 --> 00:34:51.526
I felt like I was actually, I had the traits to win.

00:34:51.706 --> 00:34:54.806
I could, I should have one. i was i had

00:34:54.806 --> 00:34:57.706
the ability to win they caught me in this in

00:34:57.706 --> 00:35:00.466
x y and z we need to move on we

00:35:00.466 --> 00:35:03.486
have other things to focus on right and like you still

00:35:03.486 --> 00:35:06.406
have you can't lose that self-belief because otherwise

00:35:06.406 --> 00:35:11.346
you're you're gonna lose again like that's just how the the more down on yourself

00:35:11.346 --> 00:35:16.146
you get the more you're gonna stay down in yourself you're gonna go out there

00:35:16.146 --> 00:35:19.986
you're gonna be scared you're gonna compete scared and that's how you lose so

00:35:19.986 --> 00:35:24.346
um but yeah i mean so you know So let's get some of your thoughts on that.

00:35:24.526 --> 00:35:25.566
No, I thought you said it pretty well.

00:35:25.806 --> 00:35:30.146
I think a dedicated competitor who's serious about doing that for not just one

00:35:30.146 --> 00:35:33.166
or two times, but for maybe months, years, or for, you know,

00:35:33.206 --> 00:35:36.966
whatever, like who's going to be on that road for quite a bit has to have what you described.

00:35:38.326 --> 00:35:42.626
And I think that also speaks to an individual's ambition and,

00:35:42.726 --> 00:35:46.766
like you said, belief that whatever tournament you're in.

00:35:50.426 --> 00:35:53.966
Whatever micro goal, whatever mini goal you have on the road towards a bigger

00:35:53.966 --> 00:35:58.166
goal, um, keeping that vision of like the big picture of where you're going

00:35:58.166 --> 00:36:01.026
and knowing that like, you're like, I'm capable of doing whatever my main objective

00:36:01.026 --> 00:36:03.366
is. And this is a stepping stone towards that.

00:36:03.786 --> 00:36:09.226
Um, I think that hierarchy of goals and vision and ambition was the word that

00:36:09.226 --> 00:36:13.546
came to mind when I was, you know, starting to talk about this after listening to you speak, um, um,

00:36:14.104 --> 00:36:18.904
I think it helps you separate from the outcomes.

00:36:20.624 --> 00:36:23.964
And like you said, you gave yourself, and by the way, that's a skill.

00:36:24.104 --> 00:36:29.824
That's like a learned, that's a mental fortitude skill that comes from being

00:36:29.824 --> 00:36:32.484
in the trenches for a long time, which is the ability to take a loss.

00:36:33.024 --> 00:36:34.904
Give yourself that time to be like, all right, I'm just gonna,

00:36:35.124 --> 00:36:37.504
all right. You don't have to like it. You shouldn't like it.

00:36:38.424 --> 00:36:41.804
But give yourself that fixed period of time to be like, all right, fuck, goddamn.

00:36:41.804 --> 00:36:44.864
And then all right get over it and figure

00:36:44.864 --> 00:36:47.664
out what was what was it about that

00:36:47.664 --> 00:36:50.784
scenario what was it about that what was the poor execution what

00:36:50.784 --> 00:36:53.444
was the mistake what was the what were the things that you did

00:36:53.444 --> 00:36:55.944
well as as well that kind of boost your confidence and knowing that you're like

00:36:55.944 --> 00:37:00.044
i will find a solution to this i will work on it it's kind of like you i think

00:37:00.044 --> 00:37:02.924
overall in the subject of confidence i think you have to earn the right to be

00:37:02.924 --> 00:37:09.424
confident via hard work and authentic like asking really true questions i think

00:37:09.424 --> 00:37:12.104
we've talked about this before too it's when we talk when students come and ask those questions,

00:37:12.824 --> 00:37:17.904
you're asking a thoughtful question about how I'm going to take this circumstance, win or loss.

00:37:19.144 --> 00:37:22.904
And knowing that I'm going to go back to work where I work harder than everyone else,

00:37:23.044 --> 00:37:29.424
and I'm going to work with my teammates, my coaches, I might even seek out other

00:37:29.424 --> 00:37:32.284
opinions to find a solution to something that I didn't have the answer in that

00:37:32.284 --> 00:37:34.284
moment. And that's a good thing.

00:37:35.064 --> 00:37:37.904
That's like the scenario telling

00:37:37.904 --> 00:37:41.424
you that there's more that you need to learn, but you're open to that.

00:37:41.524 --> 00:37:45.384
You have to be open to these things and be the type of person that can believe

00:37:45.384 --> 00:37:50.384
that I'm the kind of guy, I'm the kind of gal that when I get these setbacks

00:37:50.384 --> 00:37:54.224
or when I even have my triumphs, like I'm always finding the next thing to get better at.

00:37:54.424 --> 00:37:56.804
This is where confidence comes from. You have to believe that like you're,

00:37:57.424 --> 00:38:00.324
you have to believe slash also earn the right to be confident,

00:38:01.024 --> 00:38:04.124
truly confident because confidence and competence are two different things.

00:38:04.324 --> 00:38:07.004
And a lot of times, someone else said this once on like a show,

00:38:07.084 --> 00:38:08.224
so I didn't invent this concept.

00:38:08.324 --> 00:38:10.264
I just thought it was really relevant because I know a lot of people who are

00:38:10.264 --> 00:38:14.504
overly confident who don't do the work. That's okay. They're not competent.

00:38:15.644 --> 00:38:20.784
Confidence masquerades, or sorry, confidence can be a veil for a lack of competence.

00:38:21.364 --> 00:38:23.544
Yes. I mean, anytime you meet a guy in his early 20s, you see that.

00:38:24.664 --> 00:38:27.784
Right? Like, it's overly, it's normal. But, I mean, I was that guy once,

00:38:27.924 --> 00:38:31.144
probably. Well, you have to. Maybe still am. I'd like to think I've grown out of that.

00:38:31.324 --> 00:38:34.184
It's the fake it until you make it concept, right? That's right. You have to.

00:38:34.364 --> 00:38:36.404
False confidence is really what we're talking about. Yeah. With,

00:38:36.484 --> 00:38:40.864
like, guys who have minimal substance or, you know, I'm not picking on guys.

00:38:41.024 --> 00:38:43.244
No, guys seem to exhibit this trait the most. The people who think they can

00:38:43.244 --> 00:38:45.124
fight, but they've never fought or never trained.

00:38:45.404 --> 00:38:48.744
Yeah, well, you know, it's just like, it's people who know, know.

00:38:48.944 --> 00:38:54.404
People, you can, like, a trained eye can snuff out the difference between confidence and competence.

00:38:54.864 --> 00:38:59.084
But, like, a true confidence comes from, like, it's earned from having some

00:38:59.084 --> 00:39:03.524
of these, like, metaphorical, maybe emotional battle scars of dealing with these things.

00:39:04.064 --> 00:39:05.864
Because, you know, like, some of the best, like, the.

00:39:07.056 --> 00:39:11.176
Many of the best competitors have competed and lost many, many,

00:39:11.216 --> 00:39:13.236
many, many, many, many, many, many, many, many times.

00:39:13.536 --> 00:39:20.256
I want to say I've talked about this on the show too. The best dudes in competition keep showing up, man.

00:39:20.396 --> 00:39:23.676
They keep showing up and they just don't quit after a loss. They take it and

00:39:23.676 --> 00:39:25.076
they go on to the next one, like you said.

00:39:25.516 --> 00:39:28.956
And they keep working on it. And then what oftentimes people just.

00:39:29.816 --> 00:39:35.496
People, social media, whatever, it depends on the individual.

00:39:35.496 --> 00:39:37.876
Like if they're advertising their losses or if they're kind of keeping to themselves

00:39:37.876 --> 00:39:41.136
like not everyone's like I took an L and then posts on Instagram not that you

00:39:41.136 --> 00:39:44.816
have to but like it's easy it's easy for people to attach to the wins and so

00:39:44.816 --> 00:39:47.116
they might just see like oh this guy's on winning streak but they might not

00:39:47.116 --> 00:39:50.496
have seen the 30 losses the dude had that got him to where he can become that

00:39:50.496 --> 00:39:52.256
dude who wins 10-15 times in a row.

00:39:52.276 --> 00:39:54.816
Yeah like you'll see the guy on you know there's the guy at Smooth Cop has got

00:39:54.816 --> 00:40:02.616
200 wins but like that guy might also have a near similar number of losses right?

00:40:02.876 --> 00:40:05.956
Smooth Cop at least show that yeah but 200 wins is a lot of wins but

00:40:05.956 --> 00:40:09.416
you you might have 200 losses too but like you only see you really

00:40:09.416 --> 00:40:12.496
only see the win column like unless you dig like

00:40:12.496 --> 00:40:15.096
if you dig through you can find the losses but like you just you know

00:40:15.096 --> 00:40:18.316
it pops up straight up on in the middle of it i

00:40:18.316 --> 00:40:22.116
i have i've done one comp that was on smooth comp so i don't have much on there

00:40:22.116 --> 00:40:27.236
but but you know uh most of my competitions predate smooth comp uh they'll put

00:40:27.236 --> 00:40:31.636
them on bj heroes like they'll be they'll be on websites um but yeah i'm with

00:40:31.636 --> 00:40:35.556
you man like i get it um it's yeah it's just that like you know.

00:40:36.196 --> 00:40:39.676
People think that people are accidentally successful yeah

00:40:39.676 --> 00:40:45.656
they're not um and in that confidence that comes with success um was probably

00:40:45.656 --> 00:40:49.636
in many cases built when someone wasn't successful and they just stayed gritty

00:40:49.636 --> 00:40:53.076
and i think that's where it's like that there's a mental resilience to to what

00:40:53.076 --> 00:40:58.416
you're talking about that is honed through perseverance and um.

00:40:59.870 --> 00:41:02.430
I think part of it is like suppressing your ego and saying like,

00:41:02.530 --> 00:41:06.150
I've just got to figure this out. I'm going to keep fucking suffering until I figure it out.

00:41:06.830 --> 00:41:09.210
Well, you're never going to challenge yourself if you don't,

00:41:09.410 --> 00:41:14.010
like, if you're so afraid of that loss, you're never going to,

00:41:14.190 --> 00:41:15.830
you're not going to grow, right?

00:41:15.950 --> 00:41:20.070
Like, if you're so, unless you're just that much better than everyone else that

00:41:20.070 --> 00:41:21.830
like, you just can't, you just don't lose.

00:41:22.170 --> 00:41:24.750
That happens sometimes for you. Pretty rare, that's rare. That's like,

00:41:25.410 --> 00:41:27.670
Gordon, if you talk to like Gordon, I'm sure he'd tell you about the times he

00:41:27.670 --> 00:41:29.250
took his losses when he was probably blue and purple belt.

00:41:29.350 --> 00:41:35.210
Yeah, and he's a superior talent, of course, and he worked super hard,

00:41:35.270 --> 00:41:39.830
but he's, I would say, an extreme example of someone who, by the time he was

00:41:39.830 --> 00:41:43.030
a black belt or even brown belt, it almost seemed like he never lost.

00:41:43.510 --> 00:41:46.290
But if he told you his story, I don't know his story perfectly,

00:41:46.430 --> 00:41:49.550
but I'm sure there were phases where he was getting murked by people early on.

00:41:49.650 --> 00:41:52.990
Yeah, we just don't know about him because it wasn't in the spotlight, right?

00:41:53.230 --> 00:41:55.530
He's written books and shit. If you followed him really closely,

00:41:55.570 --> 00:41:58.710
people probably know the story better than I do, but I think of him as kind

00:41:58.710 --> 00:41:59.910
of one of those rare examples of a guy.

00:42:00.850 --> 00:42:03.210
He's been in the spotlight for a while, but at this stage in the spotlight,

00:42:03.330 --> 00:42:07.010
he's been unbeatable for a long time. But there was a road where at one point

00:42:07.010 --> 00:42:08.290
he was not doing even that.

00:42:08.610 --> 00:42:13.110
Even though it seems like he's just invincible. Maybe he's currently invincible

00:42:13.110 --> 00:42:15.890
or recently invincible. I think you get what I'm saying. Yeah.

00:42:16.550 --> 00:42:19.050
Nobody's going to remember those losses that you had.

00:42:20.170 --> 00:42:23.270
Eventually, you hit the accolades you want to hit, and that's what people will remember.

00:42:23.270 --> 00:42:26.270
You can you can lose you could lose every single

00:42:26.270 --> 00:42:29.310
one up to whatever thing whatever title you go for and

00:42:29.310 --> 00:42:32.370
then win that title and that's what people are remembering they won't care they

00:42:32.370 --> 00:42:35.430
don't know necessarily unless they're really like digging deep

00:42:35.430 --> 00:42:38.050
into you but like there was an old actually this is like

00:42:38.050 --> 00:42:41.430
a perfect uh kind of combination of the two things we talked about dude there

00:42:41.430 --> 00:42:44.370
was like an old youtube clip somewhere you probably find that on youtube if

00:42:44.370 --> 00:42:47.030
people are listening to this and they're like what the hell is he talking about

00:42:47.030 --> 00:42:50.730
there was an old like montage clip of like one of the meows was like paulo or

00:42:50.730 --> 00:42:56.370
joao meow versus keenan keenan's a big dude like 215 220,

00:42:57.250 --> 00:43:01.050
and um the meows are like our size maybe even lighter than us like 148 i think

00:43:01.050 --> 00:43:03.490
i think was where they competed at least at the time and like there was like

00:43:03.490 --> 00:43:06.790
this montage of one of the meows i forgot which one competing against keenan

00:43:06.790 --> 00:43:09.190
as like purple brown and then also black belts like

00:43:09.590 --> 00:43:13.010
years and years and years in a row and just getting beat like edged out barely

00:43:13.010 --> 00:43:15.690
or like sometimes getting beat dominantly just like they took like nine ten

00:43:15.690 --> 00:43:19.610
losses in a row then like like finally one of them gets like meets him in an open class, beats him.

00:43:19.710 --> 00:43:22.850
And then it's like, that's, that's the story lost 10 times. And then finally,

00:43:22.990 --> 00:43:26.530
you know, the 11th time or something got the win over the big dude.

00:43:26.650 --> 00:43:28.770
Who's a beast. Kenan Cornelius, um,

00:43:29.733 --> 00:43:33.913
Kenor Cornelius is extremely successful competitor too. So like for them,

00:43:33.993 --> 00:43:34.793
it was sort of like a triumph.

00:43:35.853 --> 00:43:39.693
It's an example of what we talked about. These guys being like, all right, I got beat.

00:43:39.913 --> 00:43:42.413
Fuck, I got beat again. Damn it. Like I got beat. I got beat.

00:43:42.493 --> 00:43:43.713
I got beat. But kept going back.

00:43:43.893 --> 00:43:46.333
Kept on seeing this dude. They kept trying. And then like eventually they got

00:43:46.333 --> 00:43:48.473
it. And it's like, wow, cool story. Clap, clap, clap.

00:43:49.333 --> 00:43:52.373
And it also happens to be a little dude versus a big dude. Which everyone also

00:43:52.373 --> 00:43:55.953
loves when the little dude wins. Yeah, yeah. No, I think people like that.

00:43:56.233 --> 00:43:59.613
People like the David versus Goliath story. it's

00:43:59.613 --> 00:44:02.613
a good story uh it's a cool story because it's it's an

00:44:02.613 --> 00:44:05.873
it's a cool story because that's not always what happens 99

00:44:05.873 --> 00:44:08.753
of the time or 90 of the time goliath beats david it's

00:44:08.753 --> 00:44:12.413
just people like the people like the triumph storyline like

00:44:12.413 --> 00:44:15.313
they like people overcoming odds versus like oh well

00:44:15.313 --> 00:44:18.353
like obviously that big dude's gonna win he's bigger right like

00:44:18.353 --> 00:44:21.493
that's that is the that is the narrative that

00:44:21.493 --> 00:44:24.573
people already expect so when that smaller guy wins

00:44:24.573 --> 00:44:27.593
it's impressive overcomes they're like oh man that guy's

00:44:27.593 --> 00:44:30.653
good like that's so cool right i think it was adcc two years

00:44:30.653 --> 00:44:33.513
ago uh or something and um

00:44:33.513 --> 00:44:36.553
one of the rutolos fought a the open class

00:44:36.553 --> 00:44:45.933
against um felipe peña and i think felipe won like a split judge's decision

00:44:45.933 --> 00:44:50.713
i think it was ty and like the crowd was going crazy for ty because ty was probably

00:44:50.713 --> 00:44:54.853
outweighed by like 80 pounds but was just bulldozing a man but like back Back

00:44:54.853 --> 00:44:56.333
to what we talked about earlier.

00:44:57.633 --> 00:45:01.273
He was bulldozing him around. I say that. Technically, he was the one who showed

00:45:01.273 --> 00:45:03.693
superior jiu-jitsu. But he wasn't able to score.

00:45:03.953 --> 00:45:07.793
He wasn't able to win technically within the bounds of the game.

00:45:07.833 --> 00:45:09.673
He didn't win that. But he was the crowd favorite.

00:45:09.853 --> 00:45:13.153
Everyone was just like, wow, that was an impressive use of his skills against

00:45:13.153 --> 00:45:14.973
a guy who's also really fucking good.

00:45:16.233 --> 00:45:20.153
And it just showed that. But again, still a game. Got to figure out how to win it.

00:45:21.316 --> 00:45:25.696
Size matters. Yeah. Size matters. you know, in scenarios like that.

00:45:26.136 --> 00:45:28.976
Size and skill is a problem. Yeah. When you have both, when you have that combination.

00:45:28.976 --> 00:45:35.856
But like even that, that also plays into the, that like concept, right?

00:45:35.956 --> 00:45:42.256
Of like that tenacity, that mindset, like you, he had enough confidence to go

00:45:42.256 --> 00:45:46.116
out there and still take it to Felipe rather than just like,

00:45:46.636 --> 00:45:49.336
ah, I'm going to, this guy's so big.

00:45:49.596 --> 00:45:52.136
He's probably going to beat me. I hope I just survive. yeah yeah so like you

00:45:52.136 --> 00:45:54.876
he brought the fight dude you have to enter in there like um,

00:45:55.356 --> 00:46:01.416
it just happened a lot at cji you had the you had a lot of you had a couple of those 66 99,

00:46:01.876 --> 00:46:07.796
and those 66 dorian dudes dorian dorian specifically um who was he against philippe

00:46:07.796 --> 00:46:11.696
no no yeah he went against the libe he went against philippe yeah yeah uh and

00:46:11.696 --> 00:46:15.476
that was like and he like was all over him you know he was just like i'm just

00:46:15.476 --> 00:46:18.096
gonna go i'm gonna attack this dude I'm going to get on top of him.

00:46:18.196 --> 00:46:20.936
I'm going to be undeniable, right?

00:46:21.356 --> 00:46:23.956
In a different rule set, he wins. But unfortunately for him,

00:46:23.996 --> 00:46:24.856
that wasn't the rule set. Everyone loses.

00:46:25.136 --> 00:46:30.536
But nonetheless, we talked about that ad nauseum. So we had to reopen up that whole concept.

00:46:30.696 --> 00:46:33.676
But perhaps strategically, because since we're talking about CGI,

00:46:34.176 --> 00:46:40.156
in those instances, Dorian also, he didn't beat him, but he also took him out. Yeah.

00:46:40.456 --> 00:46:42.416
Because that one ended up going to a draw. And so it's like,

00:46:42.456 --> 00:46:45.976
oh, our littlest dude took out their biggest, and maybe Atos' biggest,

00:46:45.976 --> 00:46:48.936
and perhaps most decorated guy on their team.

00:46:49.871 --> 00:46:53.311
So, like, you could strategically argue that was a win for them.

00:46:53.471 --> 00:46:58.271
It's a matter of perspective and, like, a really new and complicated rule set of CJI.

00:46:58.371 --> 00:47:00.791
But, like, yeah, it depends on how you look at it. He didn't win the match,

00:47:00.831 --> 00:47:04.291
but he may have won the game for that team. They won that match.

00:47:04.411 --> 00:47:05.431
They went to the finals. Yeah.

00:47:05.631 --> 00:47:12.631
Well, everybody, you know, that, like, example of, like, the big guy versus

00:47:12.631 --> 00:47:18.771
the small guy, like, again, that was a really good competitor he was going against very easily.

00:47:18.771 --> 00:47:22.771
Could have just been like, you know, I'm just going to survive and I'm just

00:47:22.771 --> 00:47:26.531
going to not get submitted to eliminate him. Instead, he was like, no, I'm taking it to him.

00:47:26.851 --> 00:47:30.671
I'm going to be on top. I'm going to be, I'm going to take him out winning.

00:47:31.071 --> 00:47:34.131
Like, I'm going to take him out in like a more winning.

00:47:34.931 --> 00:47:40.271
No, he, yeah, yeah. He went there to win the fight. And if it was an IBJF match,

00:47:40.471 --> 00:47:42.571
he would have smoked him on points.

00:47:42.891 --> 00:47:46.051
Then again, if it was an IBJF match, I also wouldn't be willing to bet that

00:47:46.051 --> 00:47:48.051
Felipe probably would have played it a little differently too.

00:47:48.051 --> 00:47:53.551
You nonetheless like you said he was attacking the entire time and like in the

00:47:53.551 --> 00:47:56.711
world in the martial arts from like put on a martial arts frame and he was a

00:47:56.711 --> 00:47:59.751
superior martial artist in that instance but then again it's still a game game

00:47:59.751 --> 00:48:03.431
you gotta win the game so felipe is also doing what felipe does he was like

00:48:03.431 --> 00:48:06.671
i'm not gonna actually beat me yeah within the rule side here,

00:48:07.131 --> 00:48:10.251
but you know i guess there was the judge's decision part two where like that

00:48:10.251 --> 00:48:14.771
apparently you know not to reopen old wounds and shit there's a lot of controversy

00:48:14.771 --> 00:48:19.351
on all that but that could have also easily been, it probably was like a 10-8 round. For Dorian.

00:48:19.571 --> 00:48:23.991
More than likely. Or at least a 10-9. I don't remember. He definitely won the round.

00:48:25.271 --> 00:48:29.311
I think anyone who watches that and they're putting on their judge's hat,

00:48:29.391 --> 00:48:31.031
they would say, give that to Dorian. Yeah.

00:48:32.391 --> 00:48:35.931
1000%. Absolutely. Cool. But yeah, I mean, that's definitely,

00:48:36.331 --> 00:48:40.331
you know, and so you have to come out there, you have to be confident in yourself,

00:48:40.331 --> 00:48:43.431
you have to believe in yourself. You can't just, like,

00:48:44.290 --> 00:48:47.970
No, be like, ah, you know what? I'm going to lose or I'm okay losing this one.

00:48:48.190 --> 00:48:51.670
Like, no, that's not, that's not how this works. It's not the job.

00:48:51.830 --> 00:48:54.790
That's not, that's yeah, exactly. It's not your job. Like win or lose,

00:48:54.970 --> 00:48:56.790
you will gain something from this.

00:48:57.130 --> 00:49:01.230
You will, you know, if you lose, cool, this is data to work with.

00:49:01.410 --> 00:49:06.990
If I win, I win. I'm going out there to win and I'm going to do my A game.

00:49:07.050 --> 00:49:09.990
And if I lose, I'm going to learn something from this. I'm going to,

00:49:10.050 --> 00:49:11.070
I've learned. All right, cool.

00:49:11.590 --> 00:49:14.530
Here's the things I'm going to work on. back to the lab work on

00:49:14.530 --> 00:49:17.590
that we're going to do that better next time moving on

00:49:17.590 --> 00:49:20.330
right like that's that's it i always tell my students i'm

00:49:20.330 --> 00:49:22.990
like it's the other dude's job to beat you not you to

00:49:22.990 --> 00:49:26.070
allow him to beat you yeah sort of like you shouldn't acquiesce

00:49:26.070 --> 00:49:28.930
to defeat on their behalf like let them earn it

00:49:28.930 --> 00:49:32.030
and if they earn it credit to them but like don't don't let

00:49:32.030 --> 00:49:35.030
someone else don't give them the win like

00:49:35.030 --> 00:49:37.730
make them earn the win and as you said it's like you go out there

00:49:37.730 --> 00:49:40.950
and you do your job that's the job that the other person by the way doesn't

00:49:40.950 --> 00:49:44.890
want that either yeah they don't want you to just fucking give up they also

00:49:44.890 --> 00:49:48.210
like they they want to win a real win yeah so it's like it's not really doing

00:49:48.210 --> 00:49:51.450
anyone favors you're kind of like you're you're fucking two people over when

00:49:51.450 --> 00:49:57.150
you do that yeah yourself and the other guy um and just kind of like one thing that uh that.

00:49:58.390 --> 00:50:01.290
Recently uh somewhat recently that i that

00:50:01.290 --> 00:50:04.710
i heard um so this was this

00:50:04.710 --> 00:50:08.710
is something so i heard this on the chiu-jitsu podcast uh

00:50:08.710 --> 00:50:12.150
it was nick alvin chui talking

00:50:12.150 --> 00:50:17.770
about brandon reed and something that brandon reed always says prior that like

00:50:17.770 --> 00:50:21.330
his mantra prior to matches that he kind of repeats to himself is that he's

00:50:21.330 --> 00:50:28.290
he is more than that match and like i after hearing that like that that made

00:50:28.290 --> 00:50:31.490
that kind of like resonated with me because it's the idea that like.

00:50:32.830 --> 00:50:35.910
That match doesn't matter in the

00:50:35.910 --> 00:50:38.670
grand scheme you're the only person that cares whether you win or

00:50:38.670 --> 00:50:41.870
lose right like nobody cares except for

00:50:41.870 --> 00:50:48.790
you no one cares as much as you do right like so it it takes a little bit of

00:50:48.790 --> 00:50:55.110
it's very easy to put that pressure on yourself that like oh man like so everyone's

00:50:55.110 --> 00:50:59.250
gonna be so so bummed they're gonna you know if i lose like whatever No,

00:50:59.390 --> 00:51:01.110
nobody, nobody cares, guys.

00:51:01.330 --> 00:51:04.810
Like you care the most about the outcome of that fight.

00:51:05.310 --> 00:51:07.430
No one's going to think less of you if you lose.

00:51:08.010 --> 00:51:13.410
They might think more of you if you win. But like if you lose, nobody, nobody cares.

00:51:13.630 --> 00:51:17.030
Everybody has lost. They've also seen everything you've done.

00:51:17.310 --> 00:51:20.790
Your training partners, they've seen how hard you work to get there.

00:51:20.970 --> 00:51:24.370
They know what you put into it. They know what you are capable of.

00:51:25.170 --> 00:51:29.190
So if you, even if you lose, they're still like, you know what,

00:51:29.350 --> 00:51:32.570
dude, like you lost, but you're still, you're still great at this.

00:51:32.630 --> 00:51:34.110
Like you're still really good at this.

00:51:34.490 --> 00:51:41.370
You will be whoop up on us every day. Like, so don't let those losses define you.

00:51:41.890 --> 00:51:46.670
You can, you can totally define yourself by your wins, but like, eh, maybe not too much.

00:51:46.950 --> 00:51:51.630
Um, but like, don't definitely do not let those losses define you.

00:51:51.630 --> 00:51:55.950
You should be defining yourself based on what you do leading up to that competition.

00:51:56.230 --> 00:52:00.910
And I think that helps with the confidence building to knowing,

00:52:01.250 --> 00:52:07.830
knowing what you've done on the way there versus the outcomes here, here.

00:52:07.930 --> 00:52:12.330
So I don't know if you have any other last ads to that, but I think you said it well, bro.

00:52:12.530 --> 00:52:16.510
Sweet man. Uh, but so yeah, there's, um, you know, a little bit of David the

00:52:16.510 --> 00:52:25.610
Goliath stuff, some ideas, our take on mentality behind jujitsu, um, kind of confidence.

00:52:27.290 --> 00:52:31.410
The, how to approach the bigger guy in the gym, how to,

00:52:31.610 --> 00:52:36.290
how to get the most out of that training, how to adapt to that as well as,

00:52:36.470 --> 00:52:40.990
um, you know, a little bit of grading on the curve so that when you go into,

00:52:41.110 --> 00:52:43.490
when you go into role and you're like, look at the guy, this,

00:52:43.590 --> 00:52:45.230
it'll also help you with your confidence, right?

00:52:45.310 --> 00:52:49.430
You can be like, all right, well, rolling with this guy, he weighs this much, I weigh this much.

00:52:49.510 --> 00:52:53.270
You can kind of give yourself an expectation of what you need to do because

00:52:53.270 --> 00:52:59.270
if you are the theoretically more skilled guy, it will also give you a better

00:52:59.270 --> 00:53:01.830
idea of how to approach that person,

00:53:02.350 --> 00:53:04.670
rather than like, oh, well, this guy's just a white belt.

00:53:04.930 --> 00:53:08.230
Well, that white belt outweighs you by 100 pounds.

00:53:08.670 --> 00:53:11.250
Let's approach him as a purple belt in this case.

00:53:11.690 --> 00:53:14.930
Give him a little bit more because that person is bigger than you.

00:53:15.270 --> 00:53:20.150
They have an advantage over you in one way or another.

00:53:20.410 --> 00:53:24.710
So, you know, just some stuff for thought. Hopefully it helps you guys out.

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