May 19, 2026

Discipline or Obsession: The Fine Line We Walk in Jiu Jitsu Training and Competition (Episode 63)

Discipline or Obsession: The Fine Line We Walk in Jiu Jitsu Training and Competition (Episode 63)
Discipline or Obsession: The Fine Line We Walk in Jiu Jitsu Training and Competition (Episode 63)
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Discipline or Obsession: The Fine Line We Walk in Jiu Jitsu Training and Competition (Episode 63)
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In this episode of Fighters Drinking Coffee the hosts return from a long road trip and dive into the thin line between productive control and unhealthy obsession around training, competition, and habits. They discuss weight cutting strategies, meal timing, and building systems that reduce last-minute panic.

Scott and Mike (with mentions of Kate, Andrea, and Leo) as they break down tape study: what to watch, how much is useful, and how to avoid overthinking match sequences, plus tips for managing nerves and using them as fuel rather than fear.

Key takeaways: create disciplined routines, control what you can, be prepared for curveballs at tournaments (IBJJF and otherwise), learn from experience and coaching, and keep training goals aligned to avoid counterproductive obsession.

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00:04 - Obsession vs. Control in Training

00:48 - Road Life Reflections

05:20 - Ideas from the Road

07:08 - Defining Obsession and Control

16:58 - Food as a Control Issue

29:04 - Managing Nerves and Expectations

33:20 - The Nature of Competition

45:42 - Training Room Dynamics

54:19 - Balancing Control and Discipline

59:04 - Productivity in Jiu-Jitsu

01:03:10 - Supporting the Podcast

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Welcome back to another episode of Fire Shrinking Coffee.

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On today's episode, we talk about the difference between obsession and control

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when it comes to your training, competition, and habits surrounding it.

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If you guys

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Want to support the show, check out our website, www.fdcpodcast.com.

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You can check out everything there. Hope you guys enjoy the show.

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Well, we're back in the studio, back here in Virginia.

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It was a lot of road tripping and travel for us, so it's good to be back.

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Scott, are you happy to be back, too?

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We're back. I'm happy, but I'm loving it. Yeah. I love Virginia.

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Good old Virginia. It's better than just sitting in the car for 10 hours, right?

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You know, you're right. However, dude, I like the road life a little bit.

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You get the right balance.

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It breaks up the routine, which is cool to do from time to time,

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especially because that's a double-edged sword.

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It's somewhat routine to break the routine and just get in the car, jump in a plane.

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And go do some jiu-jitsu.

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That is routine, but it's a cool routine. I like personally,

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and I have this saying that I've been telling friends for many years.

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This is just my personal take on living near Washington, D.C.

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For long periods of time. but I've recommended to many people that the way to

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optimize your relationship with living in or around DC is to take frequent trips

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out of DC and you enjoy it more because it kind of has this weird like,

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force and energy that weighs on people i think i've heard that it's like a dark

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energy vortex i don't know what that means but like that's an internet thing

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let me google that real quick um it's hilarious dark.

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Energy vortex in washington dc have you heard about that uh no but i

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Believe it washington let's do this real fast washington dc dark energy.

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Fuck i spelled that i i do agree with the uh it is nice to like break it up

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and be in a different place for a little bit.

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But I mean, I stacked my trips, right? I was home for like three days and it

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was back out to Louisiana.

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So it was not at all.

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What I expected,

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Dude. This is what Google's AI response was. Dark energy, in quotes.

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And Washington, D.C. is generally discussed in metaphysical terms. Well, all right, yeah.

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With some online theories pointing to the city's Masonic street layout,

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the Washington Monument obelisk, and the pentagon's pentagram design.

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Symbolic anchors that create high power, albeit chaotic or draining,

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energy center, often described as a vortex of power-hungry or manipulative energies.

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So they're talking about, like, demonic cults on your AI. Yeah,

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so it's like chicken or the egg.

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It's like, what came first? Was it the dark energy that attracted the cults?

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Or is it the cults that brought the dark energy? Either way.

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It's just good to get a break sometimes So you come back and you're like,

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nice, dude. I like it here.

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It's cool, dude. But like you got to go to Dallas or Chicago or Italy or whatever.

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You name it. Sometimes an actual vacation.

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Drive through the emptiness that is Ohio.

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Yeah. Although real quick, dude, I know you were, which I support,

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you were trashing your Ohio friends. Very much. I support that.

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I don't do that enough. Just sidebar comment. Because I have a lot of Ohio people

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I'd like to trash, but with love, but still we trash them. There is a cool city

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that we drove through. I don't know if you noticed it, called Strongsville.

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Oh, yeah?

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Yeah, dude, we drove through Strongsville. And I was...

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See, if John and the Ohio boys were on top of the chat clapping back at you.

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I would flex that.

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If I were them, I'd say, we're all from Strongville.

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Pussy. Were you from Fairfax? They were from Eastern. They were from Youngstown and Akron.

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Right, right, right, right.

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Boring names. Eastern Ohio.

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So boring names compared to Strongsville. Whatever.

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I don't think I dropped the one from Youngstown. I don't think I dropped it

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on him that I was... Because I think we were joking about it in the car.

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I was like, he's basically from Pennsylvania. I don't think he would have liked that.

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Can't win. Yeah, did you call them Ohio trash?

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No, I did not call them Ohio trash, but I did tell

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Them that their state... It depends on what level of how fun you...

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How aggressive you want to get with your buddies on the shit talk.

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I told them that their state, they've really built it up, and it's not all they've told us. Like...

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I wasn't shitting on them. I was shitting on their state.

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Yeah. Well, yeah, that's the point. You've got to invent something fun to talk

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shit to your boys about. It's pretty awesome.

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Anyways, you don't have to inject more controversy into that group chat.

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I'm sure it's fun already.

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There's plenty of... Ohio comes up every day, so I have plenty of opportunities to rag on Ohio.

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Good, and there will be more. But yeah, dude, I'm glad to be back. It's nice.

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Yeah, it's nice. Um, we did get, uh, get some good topic ideas on the road, which is nice.

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It's one of the nice, you know, there's a lot of cool things that come out of competition, right?

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Like one, the competing itself, the adventure in a sit in a different place,

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um, meet new people, but also you come up with new ideas, right?

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Like either for your training or your, um, or the podcast, right?

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Like new topics to talk about, new things to work on.

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Sometimes just shit you want to try out. Like it might not be something that

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happened to you or was part of your, you know, your matches.

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But you see someone do a movie and you're like, oh, that's kind of cool. Let's check that out.

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So, you know, you pick up a lot of cool new ideas and concepts at these events,

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which is nice. But so we kind of got talking about like,

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the events around uh competing and

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um i got thinking about where's

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that line between controlling and

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obsessing right like controlling stuff and

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obsessing over stuff um so obsessing

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over your pre-match your the

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competition all of the all of the

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things around the competition right versus just controlling what you

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can control and like where is that where where do you kind of get into that

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right um i guess defining those things right like what is what is obsession

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because i we're kind of i'm i'm kind of putting that as like the the negative side of yeah

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The word obsession.

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Control right like yeah yeah because obviously there's

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you have to like care about something

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but we're we're saying obsession in like

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the negative sense of like you've gone beyond the level of i'm just trying to

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utilize this to like i'm or i'm trying to control the these outcomes or these

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uh inputs for my match um to like

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a level that's unhealthy for you i guess like that's kind of how i'm thinking

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Of it that's what i was hearing too when i when i heard like the the framing

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yeah that's that's that registers.

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Yeah um because yeah i

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mean there's a lot of there's a lot of uh

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ways that that kind of

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lends itself and like it does kind of bleed right

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this isn't a cut and dry like it has

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you know this isn't like a cut and dry like this is this is

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obsessive behavior versus this is beneficial versus

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bad versus you know like i i don't i

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don't know where the line is because i i'm sure you know it

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all kind of bleeds together and like you know your peanut butter and chocolate

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get mixed so um you know like i guess one one easy spot to take this right is

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like food right it's a weight cutting sport

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there's definitely that's an easy one to be like

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disciplined line and yeah like it's easy

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to be like all right i can control what i eat but

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like there's definitely that one probably is

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a finer line of where like it becomes unhealthy right because like that's a

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direct there's there's a direct health circumstance involved there um so there's

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definitely an easy way you can easily draw that line of like um you know

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example here controlling your controlling in that sense would be all right here's the i

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I need to

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Make x weight i weigh this weight now here is a defined outline that keeps me

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fueled but also i think it's me there i think it's a

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Good i think it's a good like um uh i

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guess i'll it's it's a good that's a good like subject to target this like concept

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of the the paradigm or the continuum of like controlling in a prepared disciplined

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way if we want to put that as if we want to create a continuum for this conversation

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and put that side there it's like it will control and prepare.

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Adequately versus becoming obsessive and i guess stressed and anxious because

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of the that's you know what i think of when i think of obsession it's like an

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uncontrolled um overthinking process us, but to use that on food,

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I think this is a good one for us to stop on.

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Cause I had some other, if you want to use competition and like the obsession

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versus controls like that, um, within that world, I think you could use it for

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lots of different things. So it's a good subject.

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Um, like the thing about the food in, in my opinion, um, is yes,

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I think if to the root of what, within this world of like competition, we're discussing this.

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Framework around um in my

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opinion like the the more you do this and i think this this

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question like you alluded to this a second ago because this is kind of broad and abstract

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but eventually i think this whatever however folks manage this this this continuum

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of control to obsession it's it's an individual thing so like you said it's

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not always like you're never going to perfect it but like you're gonna get better

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at it i say that to say that the more reps you get in the more experience you

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have with competition on the subject you brought up of food,

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I think that gets a little bit simpler.

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And therefore like that, and I think that just takes a little bit of work.

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It does help. Like if you got a car full of people, like we did with like three

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pretty seasoned competitors, one a little bit newer, like it helps for that

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newer person to be around more seasoned folks to make that easier.

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She can learn by example and like kind of avoid some of the difficulties that

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we've had to deal with on that spectrum as it relates to food.

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But to my point, if you're controlling and behaving and preparing in a disciplined manner,

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a couple of weeks out of none of us really had to cut a ton of weight,

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but like you could, let's say someone had like an MMA fight like that,

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a heavier weight cut or ADCC where you have a heavier weight cut,

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you're like I mentioned, like, let's say like 10 to 14 days.

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I think around like really seven to 10 days for myself talking about Chicago

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was when I had to like truly dial things in because I was a bit heavier.

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Now, again, that was planned and controlled along with the seam,

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uh, to kind of increase my weight.

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So I could be towards the top of my weight class, but we had a plan and I've

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done this lots of times, but I had to really start to think and dial things

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in about seven to 10 days out.

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But I did that work, which made that less of an issue for me.

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Granted, I was thinking about it when we got to Chicago, as it relates to like,

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what can I, what can I, and what can I not eat indoor hydrate myself with so close to the match?

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Um, and I, If I'm hopefully making a logical statement here,

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Mike, what I'd add to that is that then makes...

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That removes me having to obsess over it as like an internal dilemma for myself because.

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I mean

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I just have mechanisms and like systems and like plans and the tactics to deal

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with something like that now someone else might not.

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Which could push

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Them into that obsession or stressful maybe obsession I gotta you know if you

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like if you're like a couple pounds over uh two days out and you're panicking

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because you don't know what you can and can't eat like most people we talked

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about this with andrea like sometimes you just default into starvation mode which which will work.

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Yeah and i think that'll get you

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Like into this obsessive loop like fuck what do i do do i eat do i not eat uh

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what can i eat what can i have some grapes should i eat like how much of this

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should be protein what should the protein be like dude like yeah i can fuck you.

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Up and that that's kind of why

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i think this is like a good starting point because like that's very common

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in combat sports right like that that

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person is just like well just i mean it's

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happened to all of us at one point or another right where you're just like

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oh like well i weigh this much

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and like oh like you start to think that if you eat this one little thing

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you're gonna gain like five pounds magically right you know what i

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mean like you get into that like weird you start being

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so concerned about what it is you're eating versus like you know looking at

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it from like a productive and realistic standpoint right like you're like oh

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well like potatoes are bad or this is bad or like you get into you start making

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like labeling these foods as like you start thinking

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About every little potential thing you could put in your body and like you have

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to like study it yeah it becomes like mentally taxing.

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And like and the reason i say it kind of bleeds over is like from the outside

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looking in some of these preparations right some of like the planning and stuff

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can seem obsessive right like oh I'm

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we're gonna go to this place for dinner we're gonna go to this place for breakfast

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like it can seem a little like but it's just rigid it's just structure you gotta

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create a level of rigidity that like frames it all out and you know like right well I have

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But it's like, this is how we talked about it, right? We have X amount of time

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from we're going to go to dinner at five, which means that we have for most

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of us, you know, we'll have somewhere between 15 and 24 hours before we go,

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wherefore we have to weigh in, depending on who it was.

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So you can be like, all right, well, I have this much time. I weighed this much before dinner.

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I can pretty much know I can eat this much dinner, you know,

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this much food. and then you just plan accordingly.

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Like first night, we just, we split food because we were like, all right, well,

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This gives us kind of a... Let's kind of, I personally needed to,

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I probably could have had more food by the way.

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I probably could have too the first night. We both could have. You're smart though.

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We were trying to get like some of the, I'm going to say the word heavy lifting.

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We were trying to like get some of the work of the weight cut in a little on

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the early side. So like Saturday, we had a little more leeway, which we did.

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And I would say that worked, but yeah, you're right. we had to calculate all that stuff

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and think about like timing of the meals where we're

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going to have them we're on the road so it's at

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a restaurant do they have the right types of food they do

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great okay we're gonna eat relatively early move around a little bit then everyone's

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gonna kind of send it back to the hotel room early rest relax a little bit throw

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on some bullshit you watch john wake which rules i watch john wake too because

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you you you inspired me and i watched some other stuff but like we're just watching

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movies like killing time and then like Like you pass out,

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you wake up and like, yeah, it does become, things become very regimented.

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And it's just a part of the job. And my, it's just part of like the,

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the, you have to make weight and you want to eat because we're going to go do

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a physical combat sport that requires energy, a lot of it. So you need to eat.

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Well, and I think that's kind of, and you, you touched on it with like the,

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earlier about, you know, not that like default starvation. Right. And I think,

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there's plenty of times where it would be very easy,

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like when you go to that, you know, we go to breakfast or something to be so

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worried about making weight that instead of figuring out something that works

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to eat, you just don't eat, right?

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Like that's, and I think that's, that's kind of where you start getting into that.

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Like that's, I think productiveness is

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the determining factor here right like is is

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this a productive decision or a non-productive decision

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to achieve the goal right like it's

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not productive to not eat because

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now you're not fueling your body which you need fuel to go and compete and like

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there's a difference between eating for health and eating for performance right

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like you gotta decide like all right well i just need to get i need carbs i

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need a little bit of protein if it's long enough ahead like

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mainly there's like the big like big things like but really it's competition

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time you just got to get that energy in it's yeah you get the carbs and get

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the fast burning stuff fuel those cells

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Right it becomes relatively simple as time goes on but i

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think like the original you know purpose of this was just

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like it's it's a thing it's a thing that people could like potentially have

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that struggle of obsession to control on um but

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like you know you do it enough times it's like i

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said i think the good thing about chicago for us was um

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everyone had done a lot of their work in

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advance no one fucked off the last like eight to nine days so

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no one was in that desperate position so then like i said thankfully

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like the collective wisdom and knowledge of the people

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in the in the group who had done this enough times it was like it was just evident

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we were gonna be able to eat so and i say that to say that like control i mean

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not obsession like i think we had that handled pretty good like oh yeah very

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well actually we ate steaks and potatoes it's pretty fucking nice man because

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like you said earlier like i've definitely had fucked up times where.

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And I had to just like dig deep. I was just like, I'm just going to be starved if I have to make weight.

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And like sometimes I've done that and it's not always been bad. It's definitely not.

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Always been good.

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And I don't want to do that. Like I'm just saying like I'm always personally

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like this is a thing that it still kind of lingers in your mind.

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You're always still questioning how good you are on weight.

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So like I'm always in the back of my head thinking like if I have to go in starved, I'm going in starved.

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Because I've done it before. I don't want to do it again.

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And I don't think I'll ever have to if I do my job correctly because like I

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said just simply put there's a way to do that and like there are people out

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there who know how to do it and like thankfully we did it,

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what I'd be curious to get your opinion on if we want to keep this in the realm of like,

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uh obsession versus control but like as it relates to

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like going to a tournament i had a before we even started recording i

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was thinking we could even talk about this in the training room too but we can we'll

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take it whatever direction we'll go wherever okay but but while

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we're talking about it like let's let's maybe pivot that still keep

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it in like the comp world and think about like the the match itself

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like and all the obsession like i think

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people can um get a little

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to we in one way

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or the other we we talked about this um for the

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show a couple times but like doing like pre-match preparation

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watching tape studying other

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people and and i bring that up because like we've had that conversation

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of like where some people don't like doing it and some people really want to

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do it maybe almost too much yeah yeah there's like a lot of us are going to

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be in between but that's a thing and then like all the maybe all the thoughts

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going through your head like what if the guy pulls and does this to my leg or

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does that like your mind can run wild.

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Yeah you start obsessing

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Over all the variables like.

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My new show within the match and you almost start like you can almost

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start like being like well it's gonna go i'm gonna do this and they're

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gonna do this then i'm gonna do this and then and you like obsess over

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the sequences of a match that never happened and never

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will happen right like that match isn't happening and like

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i think um i think we were talking about

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this before kate's match and with

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leo before his match where it was like just pick

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the first thing you're gonna do right you don't get to you you you can control

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one thing like if there's one thing you can control in the entire match it's

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the first thing you do right like that first action um so actually that's probably

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the the best like cut and dry example

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I think that's the medicine for that too in my opinion where it's just.

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Like you there's things that you can control within a match and there's things

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that you can obsess over prior to the match right like

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you can control how much you know about your opponent you can control the first thing you do

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But you can't control what your opponent does.

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Right.

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But you can absolutely obsess over what's going to happen and what your opponent's

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going to do based on all the things you've seen.

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And, like, so on watching tape,

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I've heard, I

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Don't remember who was talking about it, but, like, someone had a pretty good,

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like, they were talking about this very similar, a very similar thing about watching tape.

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And it was um when you're watching

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tape if you watch everything about

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your opponent it's very easy to like get

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tied up in those matches

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and like the how those matches went and start to

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obsess over match sequencing versus figuring

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out like just pick like i need to see

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how this guy loses and just

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find matches that they lost in and then you go and

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watch them lose right like where they

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beat so you can almost focus in

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and control that like data versus like

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just watching everything they do and like you might see them just demolish somebody

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and like for some people that might start breaking up your psyche and like um

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you might see something that's just like a complete like weird match that really

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doesn't have any good data for you if you're just watching the match you know does that like it

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Does what yeah i think that um yeah it makes a lot of sense i think um that

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kind of like mirrors what i was trying to say earlier about someone just needing

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to figure out individually for themselves like what,

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what value this provides for them insofar as what you touched upon earlier.

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Like what's the right amount of thinking and assessing.

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Uh, study, pardon me,

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Studying tape to the degree that it benefits you. And then just stop.

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And once you've hit that, once you've hit that, once you're like,

00:23:00.124 --> 00:23:01.684
all right, I got what I need. Like, cool.

00:23:01.824 --> 00:23:04.004
I don't need to like keep going deep. And then like you said,

00:23:04.104 --> 00:23:07.864
kind of like getting steered into,

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I would argue one of two extremes, like watching a bunch of matches where the guy lost me,

00:23:12.284 --> 00:23:15.304
like this guy sucks fuck him like i'm gonna fuck him

00:23:15.304 --> 00:23:17.944
up maybe that's good in some capacity but also it could make you a

00:23:17.944 --> 00:23:20.884
little bit like too like arrogant um or the

00:23:20.884 --> 00:23:23.804
reverse watching all the matches where he wins you're like this guy's

00:23:23.804 --> 00:23:26.604
so fucking good like i don't know how he's beat all these

00:23:26.604 --> 00:23:29.304
people like how am i gonna deal with that right you know you're from the

00:23:29.304 --> 00:23:31.884
sweet spot the goldilocks uh like you know

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this is just right um to your point earlier um what you mentioned about like

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i i think i think the remedy in in that realm of obsessing about how a match

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is going to happen and like doing the things preparation wise like watching

00:23:47.444 --> 00:23:51.404
tape uh that help you feel informed what.

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Are you talking about

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The horn jesus christ these people are sad they won't.

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They won't hear it on the table

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Like fuck god we're just laying on it whatever um but to that i think it's just

00:24:00.864 --> 00:24:06.924
like putting yourself in a position to where you're informed as to what this individual does,

00:24:07.444 --> 00:24:10.104
when they're on the mat and like you said like I mean I think you just kind of figure out

00:24:10.104 --> 00:24:12.744
for yourself like just if you want to watch like how he loses you like oh that's how

00:24:12.744 --> 00:24:15.344
I should beat like he's lost here so that's where he's exposed that's where

00:24:15.344 --> 00:24:19.724
he's vulnerable that's that's a data point um I would argue like you should

00:24:19.724 --> 00:24:23.124
also watch like maybe like this is a personal thing like how do they start the

00:24:23.124 --> 00:24:27.764
match yeah where do where do things tie up and begin um how do they win some

00:24:27.764 --> 00:24:31.144
matches too like where are they dangerous not that you should get pulled out

00:24:31.144 --> 00:24:34.744
of what you are already planning to do because you touched upon someone earlier which is like you just,

00:24:35.404 --> 00:24:38.164
you get the information then you start thinking in my opinion that's what I

00:24:38.164 --> 00:24:39.244
think people should do is like just start.

00:24:40.011 --> 00:24:44.571
Focusing on the actions that you want to take and just your job once you get

00:24:44.571 --> 00:24:46.951
out there. This is like ultimately, in my opinion, this is the medicine.

00:24:47.091 --> 00:24:49.731
It's just your job. Then you should think about it. You don't have to overthink

00:24:49.731 --> 00:24:52.591
this either because by the time we're here, you should have already done this

00:24:52.591 --> 00:24:53.831
work. Just believe in it.

00:24:54.011 --> 00:24:57.111
We'll prepare you for it. You can still think about it, but find that healthy amount for yourself,

00:24:57.471 --> 00:25:02.731
but just go out and make that first initiation of action efficient and well-delivered,

00:25:02.951 --> 00:25:05.391
technically, because you've done the work for years and you also just,

00:25:05.611 --> 00:25:10.231
at a certain point, have to have a release of like, I don't control all this shit. yeah.

00:25:10.231 --> 00:25:15.171
And like if you just go out there and try not to let them play their game ultimately

00:25:15.171 --> 00:25:18.831
you're just playing their game at that point right what is that like

00:25:18.831 --> 00:25:20.771
Well i guess it depends on how you want to so.

00:25:20.771 --> 00:25:22.351
Much on that yeah well you

00:25:22.351 --> 00:25:26.391
Gotta you gotta fight your game yeah you have to fight your game and and no

00:25:26.391 --> 00:25:29.711
i i get what you're saying um if i wanted to be nitpicky i would just say like

00:25:29.711 --> 00:25:33.511
to an to an extent that is part of our jobs and we go out there's like we don't let them play we.

00:25:33.511 --> 00:25:35.771
Want to take well like if you just go out there and

00:25:35.771 --> 00:25:40.051
You're right avoid right like 100% You can't avoid everything because,

00:25:40.151 --> 00:25:42.491
like, oh, this guy's so good here. I just won't go in and do anything.

00:25:43.411 --> 00:25:47.911
Yeah. That's not a winning strategy as well. You're right. We're saying the

00:25:47.911 --> 00:25:50.411
same thing. Yeah. We're saying the same thing. We're just said different ways.

00:25:50.491 --> 00:25:52.631
Yeah, just reframing it, I guess. Totally.

00:25:52.871 --> 00:25:57.451
Totally. But so, anyways, on that. But here's the thing. In my opinion,

00:25:57.631 --> 00:25:59.591
like, this is another thing that, like, I think –.

00:26:00.672 --> 00:26:02.852
Um, it's probably easy to say,

00:26:03.052 --> 00:26:07.132
Um, though it still needs to be said, like as coaches and, and,

00:26:07.172 --> 00:26:09.412
you know, people who are trying to mentor like younger athletes,

00:26:09.492 --> 00:26:10.992
like it helps, like you got to advise these guys.

00:26:11.072 --> 00:26:14.332
Cause like, if they can learn this stuff faster than like you or I did great, that's our job.

00:26:14.892 --> 00:26:19.232
Um, but they will learn it themselves too by doing, I think doing it yourself

00:26:19.232 --> 00:26:24.552
while also being like, uh, exposed to my coach, like, Hey, these are the ways

00:26:24.552 --> 00:26:27.032
you should try to discipline your mind. Think about these things now.

00:26:27.452 --> 00:26:30.152
Um, and it kind of, then it goes into the person's brain and we don't control how

00:26:30.152 --> 00:26:33.532
people learn things but like if you blend like the instruction and

00:26:33.532 --> 00:26:37.492
the explanation with them experience themselves i think those are the two major

00:26:37.492 --> 00:26:40.232
inputs like that person's going to figure it out on their own that's what i'm

00:26:40.232 --> 00:26:42.632
saying like you can do it on your own without someone telling you and you will

00:26:42.632 --> 00:26:45.552
figure this stuff out if you keep at it but if you have like someone telling

00:26:45.552 --> 00:26:50.352
you now like kate like a new competitor like hey think about this now um.

00:26:51.580 --> 00:26:56.160
Download that combined with the experience you will have of actually doing yourself

00:26:56.160 --> 00:26:58.760
and then you get to this conclusion faster than, than we did.

00:26:59.180 --> 00:27:03.460
That's like, that's our, that's our role as coaches is to like put her other

00:27:03.460 --> 00:27:06.940
folks in a position to like develop their minds more quickly.

00:27:07.220 --> 00:27:11.300
And I, and I think there is a solution, but ultimately her solution will be

00:27:11.300 --> 00:27:14.200
what works for her and works for her brain. Cause she might take the message.

00:27:14.340 --> 00:27:17.160
I mean, you were talking about here because that's, that's how,

00:27:17.240 --> 00:27:18.940
maybe that's how we think and we understand it that way.

00:27:18.940 --> 00:27:21.720
Um but she might have it comprehended her

00:27:21.720 --> 00:27:24.560
own way it might explain it her it's and it may even end

00:27:24.560 --> 00:27:28.000
up still being the exact same thing but downloaded via her

00:27:28.000 --> 00:27:31.680
mind and how she thinks about shit so um i

00:27:31.680 --> 00:27:34.400
my way of saying this this stuff i

00:27:34.400 --> 00:27:37.240
think there's like formulas and like systems for these things and

00:27:37.240 --> 00:27:41.080
like patterns that folks can um because

00:27:41.080 --> 00:27:44.040
we're all human beings and like on the food thing we have both our physical

00:27:44.040 --> 00:27:46.740
physiological and our psychological patterns for that and on

00:27:46.740 --> 00:27:49.860
this similarly although although different there's physiological

00:27:49.860 --> 00:27:52.760
like if you think about like the nerves the anxiety that

00:27:52.760 --> 00:27:56.720
someone might have that's physiological it's mostly mental too it's a little

00:27:56.720 --> 00:28:00.940
bit of both um but like if you get the mind kind of downloaded and strong um

00:28:00.940 --> 00:28:04.220
the physiological stuff starts to go away and then they just kind of get it

00:28:04.220 --> 00:28:08.420
and they still there's it's never zero like the obsession to control thing in

00:28:08.420 --> 00:28:10.400
my opinion like we're all we're all still trying to like.

00:28:10.900 --> 00:28:15.920
Navigate this um maybe some like enlightened ones out there totally have it

00:28:15.920 --> 00:28:18.380
down but i bet if you ask like some of the best competitors in the world out

00:28:18.380 --> 00:28:20.740
there they'd tell you the same thing it's like they're just they're still grappling

00:28:20.740 --> 00:28:23.380
with it because it always it gets filtered through them individually and like

00:28:23.380 --> 00:28:27.220
they're still feeling things yeah like you i would like to get people to where

00:28:27.220 --> 00:28:29.920
like feeling the things like it helps you you're just like oh like.

00:28:30.856 --> 00:28:33.836
You do all that. Like we talked about this when we were driving back.

00:28:33.956 --> 00:28:41.856
Like, I mean, I, it, my excitement slash nerves came day of a couple hours before I competed.

00:28:42.696 --> 00:28:47.076
Um, and I was like, expect, I was like, when's it coming? When's it going to come?

00:28:47.176 --> 00:28:48.956
And we talked about this in the road, which is like, I always,

00:28:49.116 --> 00:28:53.216
what I like about some of the, we'll call it control for using the same paradigm

00:28:53.216 --> 00:28:54.516
here, the same continuum here.

00:28:54.656 --> 00:28:58.176
Like, and I would say in a positive way insofar as like this, this works for me.

00:28:58.516 --> 00:29:02.456
There's always a next thing you have to do. do right? Like getting to dinner

00:29:02.456 --> 00:29:05.896
on time and saying, I'm only going to have eight ounces of steak and some potatoes.

00:29:06.056 --> 00:29:08.216
And like, I just focus on that. I just got to get to that thing.

00:29:08.376 --> 00:29:11.356
It's the same thing as saying, what's the next action we're going to take? Yeah.

00:29:11.676 --> 00:29:14.136
It's just a series of actions. Just like when I think about once I high five

00:29:14.136 --> 00:29:16.696
a knuckles, this guy, and I'm out there, I got to hit this arm drag or whatever.

00:29:16.856 --> 00:29:20.216
Maybe the very first thing will be my hand fight or like points of contact, right?

00:29:20.676 --> 00:29:23.776
Same idea, but I just translate that over to like, what's the next thing I got

00:29:23.776 --> 00:29:25.116
to do right today? Well, I got to eat.

00:29:25.616 --> 00:29:28.516
I got to exist. So I just always have a thing that gets me to it but that was

00:29:28.516 --> 00:29:32.316
what helped me kind of delay my any nerves i felt but they they came and i was

00:29:32.316 --> 00:29:35.756
just like all right cool like i was just i think i'm tricking myself a little

00:29:35.756 --> 00:29:36.816
bit here but it's almost like.

00:29:36.816 --> 00:29:38.956
All right check that box the nerves are here

00:29:38.956 --> 00:29:42.376
That's what it is it is checking the box but i've also like we've talked about

00:29:42.376 --> 00:29:45.856
this too where it's like i'm choosing to frame it as like a cool thing now to

00:29:45.856 --> 00:29:49.036
where i'm like dude we just get to do this shit this is awesome like when else

00:29:49.036 --> 00:29:54.956
do i feel things you know like uh this is a strong this is a feeling a human

00:29:54.956 --> 00:29:56.876
feeling that you really experience.

00:29:57.076 --> 00:29:59.596
So I'm like, give it to me, man. Well, and like, and then it passes.

00:30:00.516 --> 00:30:02.096
I mean, I, you go and you do it.

00:30:02.176 --> 00:30:04.436
I also, you know, like I also get the nerves and like, yeah,

00:30:04.496 --> 00:30:08.376
it's the same thing. It's like, I almost want them.

00:30:08.756 --> 00:30:12.136
Like I, it's concerning if I don't have them. Right. Cause then it's not like,

00:30:12.236 --> 00:30:15.676
there's an, that would be weird. There's a level of excitement. Right. Like, but yeah,

00:30:16.282 --> 00:30:21.042
it's just being used to it. Like it's part of your body is accustomed to this

00:30:21.042 --> 00:30:22.702
happening or your mind or whatever.

00:30:23.042 --> 00:30:28.922
Um, you've done so many times. Um, but also like that's the nerves.

00:30:28.922 --> 00:30:34.182
That's definitely a spot of like obsession that people get into is they get

00:30:34.182 --> 00:30:38.942
so like worried about like not being nervous, right.

00:30:39.722 --> 00:30:44.002
Then they almost, it almost gets worse. Um, there's like that,

00:30:44.162 --> 00:30:48.482
I don't know that like expectation or, they feel like well if i'm going to be

00:30:48.482 --> 00:30:53.602
good at this i can't be nervous but like you said the best even the best guys

00:30:53.602 --> 00:30:58.402
get nervous it's just like they manage it you manage and harness it like you

00:30:58.402 --> 00:31:02.262
that's what you control the nerves you don't like that's

00:31:02.262 --> 00:31:06.322
A losing battle you're gonna have a bad time yeah if you think you're just gonna

00:31:06.322 --> 00:31:12.382
control all of those things they're involuntary yeah it does it gets to a point

00:31:12.382 --> 00:31:15.302
where you feel like you can kind of like you can manage it that's the best it's

00:31:15.302 --> 00:31:17.562
ever going to be is like can i manage this well you direct.

00:31:17.562 --> 00:31:23.362
It right you direct it you direct that you really don't energy to the right thing um

00:31:23.362 --> 00:31:28.382
I would also add that you know in in my opinion i think that those sensations

00:31:28.382 --> 00:31:31.682
those feelings come from like doing something that like you care about and oh

00:31:31.682 --> 00:31:35.182
yeah is if if you get to a point where this starts to become like not that you

00:31:35.182 --> 00:31:39.562
don't care but it becomes so like routine maybe it's time to find the next thing

00:31:39.562 --> 00:31:42.722
in your life that kind of inspires that personally.

00:31:43.022 --> 00:31:47.082
And this is maybe it's like exposing my psychology a little bit here, but that's fine.

00:31:47.602 --> 00:31:53.122
I think it's almost like, because I almost think of it as like an excitement,

00:31:53.482 --> 00:31:55.362
right? Like, because it's your system getting excited.

00:31:56.324 --> 00:31:59.784
Arouse arousal yeah states of arousal shout

00:31:59.784 --> 00:32:02.964
Out but yeah but yeah it is it is you're right yeah it is that.

00:32:02.964 --> 00:32:05.604
Yeah and so like you know it's you're

00:32:05.604 --> 00:32:08.284
Doing this thing you care about you what you wanted to go well like you're put

00:32:08.284 --> 00:32:10.084
a lot into you've invested into you're excited to go.

00:32:10.084 --> 00:32:13.784
Do it you're nervous because you're excited and you care you know like if you're

00:32:13.784 --> 00:32:17.544
not nervous it's because you either aren't excited to do it or you don't care

00:32:17.544 --> 00:32:21.404
Something's off right yeah if you don't have that sensation something's something's not right and.

00:32:21.404 --> 00:32:25.544
You might not even know that going into true right like you might not know that you don't

00:32:25.544 --> 00:32:26.804
Care oh i don't about it.

00:32:26.804 --> 00:32:30.384
Anymore like but then like it's the day of you're like oh shit like i don't

00:32:30.384 --> 00:32:34.004
care about this match i really don't want to be here you know what i mean yeah that's

00:32:34.004 --> 00:32:35.144
Another conversation that's.

00:32:35.144 --> 00:32:36.204
A different level of

00:32:37.164 --> 00:32:40.564
Of still something you should address yeah you don't you're not enjoying this

00:32:40.564 --> 00:32:44.504
you don't give a shit like maybe maybe you don't do it you hope you're getting paid to do something.

00:32:44.504 --> 00:32:49.444
Yeah if you don't like it i hope you're getting paid yeah yeah exactly um but

00:32:49.444 --> 00:32:54.364
yeah i mean like i i think I think that is another area where that kind of falls

00:32:54.364 --> 00:33:03.704
in and like the obsession over perfection also like within that same scenario,

00:33:03.724 --> 00:33:06.884
like competition day and like all the things surrounding it.

00:33:07.847 --> 00:33:15.027
The obsession over everything being perfect to where you know like oh well like i have to

00:33:15.547 --> 00:33:18.667
because it's not right we watch the

00:33:18.667 --> 00:33:24.807
times float all around like that's all that's why we control what we can control

00:33:24.807 --> 00:33:28.787
and it's like all right well we'll just be warmed up and ready we normally do

00:33:28.787 --> 00:33:32.747
i think it's only like two hours um like we start warming up like an hour and

00:33:32.747 --> 00:33:37.147
a half two hours before right like for you uh for me yeah but you know like we

00:33:37.147 --> 00:33:38.467
Give ourselves we have a window.

00:33:38.467 --> 00:33:41.347
You have a lot a certain amount of time so

00:33:41.347 --> 00:33:44.047
that because we know it's gonna shift up yeah we know

00:33:44.047 --> 00:33:47.187
like oh well we'll be done we'll have like this much rough somewhere

00:33:47.187 --> 00:33:50.587
between 15 to 30 minutes yep

00:33:50.587 --> 00:33:53.767
to before that we go in there so at

00:33:53.767 --> 00:33:56.507
least we aren't like oh shit like i need to finish this warm-up and

00:33:56.507 --> 00:34:01.087
then i need to get in the bullpen and then you know so like that's controlling

00:34:01.087 --> 00:34:08.127
the scenario whereas like if the level of you know i need this to happen at

00:34:08.127 --> 00:34:12.847
this time so that because and it if it changes at all then everything's just

00:34:12.847 --> 00:34:16.787
going to be ruined for the whole day and like you know like they're very simple

00:34:16.787 --> 00:34:18.827
those are very similar things right like

00:34:19.838 --> 00:34:23.578
but one is within your control. The other one's not.

00:34:23.678 --> 00:34:28.958
I think that's, maybe that's like one of the like defining factors for this.

00:34:29.098 --> 00:34:33.598
Right. Like, cause again, I, all of this is like kind of bled together.

00:34:33.658 --> 00:34:37.038
Like you're controlling things, but like you kind of edge on.

00:34:37.038 --> 00:34:40.498
You can't control a lot. That's the cool thing. I will say that's probably a good thing too.

00:34:40.618 --> 00:34:42.438
Cause it's like the sooner you can learn that lesson too, of like,

00:34:42.518 --> 00:34:44.798
I'm not going to control, like getting that through your head.

00:34:44.918 --> 00:34:47.538
Like I'm not going to control everything, but like we control the things we

00:34:47.538 --> 00:34:49.058
can control. Like you said.

00:34:49.238 --> 00:34:53.118
Yeah. don't let perfect like the saying don't let perfect be the enemy of good yeah

00:34:53.118 --> 00:34:55.818
100 you just you're you're you're.

00:34:55.818 --> 00:34:57.378
Yeah yeah well said

00:34:57.378 --> 00:35:00.598
Um i mean the ibgf will show

00:35:00.598 --> 00:35:03.818
you that things are not controllable oh yeah which is which

00:35:03.818 --> 00:35:06.818
i said like you know even like that's why you do

00:35:06.818 --> 00:35:09.918
your early warm-up because you're expecting some fuckery with the times and

00:35:09.918 --> 00:35:13.458
shit like that so like it's kind of like anticipated so you can manage that

00:35:13.458 --> 00:35:17.558
too but that's a good thing to think about how about when Andrea's uniform got

00:35:17.558 --> 00:35:20.798
like goofed on man like it's like sometimes you just like you don't like how's

00:35:20.798 --> 00:35:23.558
that for a thing you don't control that you're like yeah fuck I gotta do what

00:35:23.558 --> 00:35:25.318
I gotta change my clothes well.

00:35:25.318 --> 00:35:29.158
Like you know it's different it's different every time too right

00:35:29.158 --> 00:35:32.478
Yeah they're funny it's just it's funny but that's there's something there's

00:35:32.478 --> 00:35:36.238
like maybe some wisdom in that and like accepting that like something you're

00:35:36.238 --> 00:35:38.938
gonna control the parts you can control if you accept that there's gonna be

00:35:38.938 --> 00:35:41.718
many things you're not gonna control but you still do it anyways that's good

00:35:41.718 --> 00:35:45.138
because if you think you're gonna perfect controlling everything yeah sorry

00:35:45.138 --> 00:35:48.998
that's not that doesn't work in life it doesn't work here oh.

00:35:48.998 --> 00:35:50.118
No it definitely doesn't work

00:35:50.118 --> 00:35:52.458
Um yeah.

00:35:52.458 --> 00:36:00.218
And like i yeah ibj jeff is definitely the can it can definitely drive you crazy

00:36:00.218 --> 00:36:05.838
with like that trying to perfect it right like if you ever tried to i gave up on it yeah i mean

00:36:05.838 --> 00:36:09.858
They're not the only ones it just we just happen to be there and like you know

00:36:09.858 --> 00:36:12.898
we've been pretty active there so that's just we know a lot about him,

00:36:13.498 --> 00:36:16.698
dude when you walked in I got a phone call from a guy who was like they fucked

00:36:16.698 --> 00:36:20.778
up my division not IBJJF he's like I'm pissed he's like they put some other

00:36:20.778 --> 00:36:21.738
it doesn't make any sense,

00:36:22.692 --> 00:36:25.172
different league that's jujitsu for you yeah.

00:36:25.172 --> 00:36:26.732
It happens it just happens

00:36:26.732 --> 00:36:29.932
You know like there's yeah weird shit's going to

00:36:29.932 --> 00:36:32.632
happen so i think that adds to what we're talking

00:36:32.632 --> 00:36:35.652
about insofar as like you got some like when you do

00:36:35.652 --> 00:36:38.472
this that's a good experience to kind of go out there and be like oh

00:36:38.472 --> 00:36:42.432
like weird curveballs are going to get thrown at me um that

00:36:42.432 --> 00:36:45.452
to me lends towards if done

00:36:45.452 --> 00:36:48.372
correctly that healthy habit of saying let's prepare really well

00:36:48.372 --> 00:36:51.112
um because i i'm a big fan of i mean

00:36:51.112 --> 00:36:54.072
preparation preparation is it's in the art of war like you

00:36:54.072 --> 00:36:57.172
know choosing like uh failing to

00:36:57.172 --> 00:36:59.812
plan is a plan to fail right but you you know you got to

00:36:59.812 --> 00:37:02.672
go through the you got to get your lumps a couple times you got to go do a tournament like

00:37:02.672 --> 00:37:05.192
get like you got to have the curveball like the random punch you didn't see

00:37:05.192 --> 00:37:09.712
coming just you got to get hit you got to like oh learn from that then you you

00:37:09.712 --> 00:37:14.052
come up with mechanisms around that to develop your plans but like timing of

00:37:14.052 --> 00:37:18.812
the warm-up what to eat where to eat when to eat like when to check weight all

00:37:18.812 --> 00:37:20.632
that stuff so that like these are like little,

00:37:20.632 --> 00:37:23.412
little habits that have been kind of like little stepping stones that were kind

00:37:23.412 --> 00:37:26.892
of put in place and make people a little less comfortable.

00:37:28.904 --> 00:37:32.644
Less likely to be impacted by things that they might not think they can control.

00:37:32.844 --> 00:37:37.484
They can, but then still giving them room to deal with the things they can't. Yeah.

00:37:37.824 --> 00:37:42.284
You know, that helps build someone's character within reason.

00:37:42.524 --> 00:37:46.144
You know, I don't want, I'm not saying go out there if you're the IBJF or New

00:37:46.144 --> 00:37:48.804
Breed or whoever and start throwing wild ass curveballs.

00:37:49.004 --> 00:37:52.824
But like, that's life, dude. Like, it's gonna happen. People are gonna have curveballs.

00:37:53.284 --> 00:37:56.824
My opponent had cramps in his leg or something. Like, you know,

00:37:56.924 --> 00:37:59.684
he couldn't, he wasn't expecting that.

00:37:59.864 --> 00:38:01.784
Yeah, he couldn't, he could not continue, right?

00:38:01.824 --> 00:38:04.264
He could not continue. Like, I, you know, that was a curveball for that dude.

00:38:04.424 --> 00:38:05.604
Like, shit's gonna happen.

00:38:05.704 --> 00:38:08.984
I had an IBJF match, like, you know, kind of similar to his where I had to withdraw

00:38:08.984 --> 00:38:10.484
from the finals years ago.

00:38:10.644 --> 00:38:15.284
I mentioned this to you guys at the event. I busted my head in two different spots. Curveball.

00:38:15.884 --> 00:38:17.044
You're like, I can't do this,

00:38:17.044 --> 00:38:19.444
Man. At the end of my match, which I did win, I was wrapped up.

00:38:19.544 --> 00:38:20.924
Dude, it looked like a fucking mummy,

00:38:21.064 --> 00:38:24.344
dude. I had, like, gauze all over my head. And I was like, I'm good.

00:38:25.204 --> 00:38:27.884
Wasn't expecting to have like a i have a scar on my chin a scar

00:38:27.884 --> 00:38:30.764
on my forehead from that match and i kind of i think i still have like a permanently

00:38:30.764 --> 00:38:33.784
fucked up nose from it no big deal nose looks fine but like

00:38:33.784 --> 00:38:39.184
i broke my nose i adjusted after the match which was hilarious i was like why

00:38:39.184 --> 00:38:42.164
can't i breathe right and then i was like oh oh and then i didn't really hurt

00:38:42.164 --> 00:38:46.104
but i like literally moved my cartilage over and i was like yeah all right that

00:38:46.104 --> 00:38:49.404
makes sense i did headbutt that guy really fucking hard and he that was also

00:38:49.404 --> 00:38:51.304
where i cut my butt anyways curveball i.

00:38:51.977 --> 00:38:52.697
Cut my face open.

00:38:52.797 --> 00:38:55.077
I was like, I'm not competing in the finals. I think I'm good.

00:38:55.137 --> 00:38:58.777
I don't think I can handle one more face cut. I think I've done enough for that. Made it out alive.

00:38:58.897 --> 00:39:00.177
Like, this is just going to get worse.

00:39:00.797 --> 00:39:03.957
Yeah, yeah. Well, curveballs. Shit's going to happen, man. It's like,

00:39:04.077 --> 00:39:08.777
there's enough, like, it's a combat sport. Like, crazy shit will happen.

00:39:09.017 --> 00:39:12.897
So, like, yeah, we manage what we can manage, and we put in these little,

00:39:12.917 --> 00:39:14.957
like, bits of wisdom that we've learned, and we kind of, like,

00:39:15.577 --> 00:39:17.977
you know, share it with Kate, share it with Andrea, share it with you,

00:39:18.057 --> 00:39:19.697
whatever, share it with other people, share it with your team,

00:39:19.797 --> 00:39:21.377
and be like, you know, make it a little bit easier for these guys.

00:39:21.977 --> 00:39:26.397
Yeah. They have it so good. Yeah, they have it easy. They get to learn all this

00:39:26.397 --> 00:39:28.997
stuff after we've all had to struggle through it.

00:39:29.077 --> 00:39:32.697
The dumbass way. I've done everything probably the dumbest way possible.

00:39:32.877 --> 00:39:36.117
After we've had to, you know, keep running into brick walls.

00:39:36.477 --> 00:39:38.817
Yeah. Until the brick wall breaks down.

00:39:38.857 --> 00:39:44.317
I've smashed into so many brick walls. Dude, it's crazy. It's comical, actually. Whatever.

00:39:45.197 --> 00:39:47.477
Most people, yeah, whatever. Yeah.

00:39:47.777 --> 00:39:53.177
Yeah, I mean, heck, most of this stuff, I've been on the, obsessive end on at

00:39:53.177 --> 00:39:56.757
one point or another like i'm not saying we're yours this isn't

00:39:56.757 --> 00:39:58.657
Like yeah yeah of course me too.

00:39:58.657 --> 00:40:03.697
I i rec it's more recognizing the obsession right like i've been the obsessive

00:40:03.697 --> 00:40:08.517
weight cut guy before because i'm making doing stupid weight cuts that probably

00:40:08.517 --> 00:40:12.217
shouldn't have done uh you know like been on the uh

00:40:13.556 --> 00:40:17.056
definitely been a little you know we're like something didn't

00:40:17.056 --> 00:40:20.156
go something wasn't things weren't lining up on competition day

00:40:20.156 --> 00:40:23.416
and like you start to get like all weird about

00:40:23.416 --> 00:40:26.396
like well like well i didn't get to do this thing so like

00:40:26.396 --> 00:40:29.036
oh well well shit now i

00:40:29.036 --> 00:40:32.196
can't do that other that other thing that i like to do before oh i

00:40:32.196 --> 00:40:35.616
didn't bring this thing i forgot i forgot my mouth

00:40:35.616 --> 00:40:38.576
this mouth guard i have to wear this mouth guard or you know whatever

00:40:38.576 --> 00:40:42.956
weird shit right like in it can

00:40:42.956 --> 00:40:46.276
cause those those little like failings of

00:40:46.276 --> 00:40:49.876
not really having realistic systems

00:40:49.876 --> 00:40:53.136
right like realistic expectation causes

00:40:53.136 --> 00:40:58.016
like that doom spiral of like where you just start like nothing else is right

00:40:58.016 --> 00:41:02.076
and nothing's gonna work anymore and like it just takes your head out of it

00:41:02.076 --> 00:41:08.836
and so like to not create those scenarios for yourself and to or to just be

00:41:08.836 --> 00:41:10.576
willing to accept right like there's

00:41:11.436 --> 00:41:16.976
you have to just be willing to go with whatever be prepare yourself to go with

00:41:16.976 --> 00:41:19.396
whatever is going to happen right like be ready for be ready

00:41:19.396 --> 00:41:22.376
For the curveballs man because like you yeah like shit's gonna happen like you

00:41:22.376 --> 00:41:27.016
can't lose it just okay something fucked up like all right that's not great like i mean i would say.

00:41:27.016 --> 00:41:28.876
Like if you fucking

00:41:28.876 --> 00:41:32.616
Like got hit by a car the day before and you're like my legs are broken it's

00:41:32.616 --> 00:41:36.576
different but if like yeah you're like oh my my favorite rash guard fuck my

00:41:36.576 --> 00:41:41.356
this my that like i don't have my scale like manageable like yeah you got to

00:41:41.356 --> 00:41:46.296
be like willing to you gotta be you have to handle a little adversity um because it will come and.

00:41:46.296 --> 00:41:52.256
And it goes for you know that goes with every aspect of this too right like

00:41:52.256 --> 00:41:58.276
it's not just for competition it's not just for day of it's not just for the food like um this

00:41:58.276 --> 00:41:58.956
Is for life.

00:41:58.956 --> 00:42:02.636
For life yeah i mean it even goes in the training room right like

00:42:03.914 --> 00:42:06.294
You can't, like, if your best,

00:42:06.414 --> 00:42:09.294
If your favorite training partner doesn't show up, you're not going to just

00:42:09.294 --> 00:42:12.594
not train, right? Like, it's just one example.

00:42:13.234 --> 00:42:21.254
Yeah. But, I mean, a lot of this stuff also falls into place with that, like, just in training.

00:42:21.974 --> 00:42:27.994
Because it's super easy to get, like, super obsessed over shit that doesn't

00:42:27.994 --> 00:42:29.154
matter in the training room.

00:42:30.114 --> 00:42:35.254
Yeah. you know like deciding you're going to work on I don't know just picking

00:42:35.254 --> 00:42:40.214
something that's you just really want to do this move but or like I just need to add

00:42:40.954 --> 00:42:45.234
I don't know I want to be a Dayla Spider guy but you suck at Dayla Spider you

00:42:45.234 --> 00:42:48.074
know what I mean or not just suck at it it's just like it doesn't work with

00:42:48.074 --> 00:42:51.654
anything else you want to do right and but you're like no like I'm

00:42:52.394 --> 00:42:56.254
shoving Dayla Spider into my game I don't know it's just the one you picked

00:42:56.254 --> 00:43:00.154
a thing yeah you picked something but you know like there's

00:43:00.694 --> 00:43:04.494
it's easy to fall into those traps right and like sometimes it's fun to do that

00:43:04.494 --> 00:43:07.714
shit right like just to play around with different stuff and whatever like I'm

00:43:07.714 --> 00:43:11.054
not saying don't try new things on the map but like

00:43:11.774 --> 00:43:16.474
you can very easily like get super obsessed over a specific uh

00:43:17.310 --> 00:43:24.990
Whether it's a move or a position or a concept and almost try to like shoehorn

00:43:24.990 --> 00:43:29.310
it into around all of your training or all of your training around this one thing.

00:43:29.630 --> 00:43:35.010
And then, you know, it ends up being some weird thing that, you know,

00:43:35.110 --> 00:43:38.470
you get to competition and realize it just, that never happens,

00:43:38.590 --> 00:43:42.110
you know, or like, that's not a scenario that you're ever really in.

00:43:42.310 --> 00:43:45.770
Or, um you know maybe you're a

00:43:45.770 --> 00:43:48.730
masters for a competitor and you know you just really don't

00:43:48.730 --> 00:43:52.690
have the opportunity to do cartwheel passes shots

00:43:52.690 --> 00:43:56.050
fired or whatever i don't know i'm just like well masters

00:43:56.050 --> 00:43:59.030
you're the guy who does that don't you uh he's he's masters

00:43:59.030 --> 00:44:03.210
he's masters uh he does any cartwheel pass too but yeah he's like 330 and his

00:44:03.210 --> 00:44:08.930
cartwheel passes it's fucking insane uh he's he's a specimen dude he's crazy

00:44:08.930 --> 00:44:14.250
yeah but you know like there's there's stuff like that too and i'm sure you

00:44:14.250 --> 00:44:16.870
probably had more stuff like for the training room i think the

00:44:16.870 --> 00:44:19.290
Training room granted like i mean pretty i don't know how much longer we want

00:44:19.290 --> 00:44:22.450
to go on this subject but we can keep going as long as we want but um because

00:44:22.450 --> 00:44:25.870
that might be like a whole rabbit hole to go down but my thing with yeah yeah

00:44:25.870 --> 00:44:31.750
you know it's a good question my um i guess my my angle or whatever and you're

00:44:31.750 --> 00:44:36.690
you're kind of speaking to it a little bit too i think we're we're gonna get to the a similar vein.

00:44:36.690 --> 00:44:38.210
Here. I'm just circling the dream.

00:44:38.450 --> 00:44:41.950
I think you're touching upon like a theme of what I was going to say,

00:44:42.070 --> 00:44:43.950
basically, which is that, um.

00:44:45.910 --> 00:44:47.450
Like, yeah, obsessing over,

00:44:47.630 --> 00:44:52.290
Like, I don't think it makes sense to obsess over, like, the outcomes of training.

00:44:52.870 --> 00:44:54.290
Oh, yeah. Simply because the outcomes of training.

00:44:54.530 --> 00:44:55.150
Winning training.

00:44:55.730 --> 00:45:00.010
Yeah, that. I mean, there's just so many ways you can talk about this in the training environment.

00:45:00.090 --> 00:45:03.610
I mean, I would say, like, if someone's obsessing and it's having,

00:45:03.790 --> 00:45:06.790
back to the beginning of the episode, it's having, like, some sort of negative

00:45:06.790 --> 00:45:09.810
impact on their experience, like, what they're feeling or, like,

00:45:10.410 --> 00:45:12.270
the value they're getting out of it. They're not happy.

00:45:12.370 --> 00:45:14.290
They're not excited. and then I don't feel like they spend a good amount of

00:45:14.290 --> 00:45:18.350
time if they walk out there mad because training didn't go exactly how they had in mind.

00:45:20.810 --> 00:45:24.810
That concept of someone no longer having a positive experience from training,

00:45:25.070 --> 00:45:28.610
I would say that their values and their goals perhaps are all out of line.

00:45:28.830 --> 00:45:30.090
They're all misaligned.

00:45:30.590 --> 00:45:32.950
If you're leaving the training room and you're thinking that,

00:45:33.030 --> 00:45:36.030
I'll tell you, I went into training today at one o'clock.

00:45:36.090 --> 00:45:39.950
I did have a plan, an idea, and I would say I don't think I did any of it.

00:45:41.070 --> 00:45:44.970
Um maybe part of that was like maybe i fucked up in training but also like i

00:45:44.970 --> 00:45:47.690
didn't leave training thinking like oh i'm pissed yeah.

00:45:47.690 --> 00:45:50.410
Oh this was a training didn't play out exactly how

00:45:50.410 --> 00:45:57.130
I had it had had it had um envisioned it um because number one it's just practice

00:45:57.130 --> 00:45:59.390
it's got to be on the mat um,

00:46:04.770 --> 00:46:07.950
I don't know. I was going to say the word dilemma again, part of that dilemma

00:46:07.950 --> 00:46:15.370
with the folks kind of thinking that way or like not having the right experience in the training room.

00:46:15.730 --> 00:46:19.350
My opinion, like I said, a second ago, I think it's like a misaligned values

00:46:19.350 --> 00:46:24.370
and like, I guess goals around what they want out of their jiu-jitsu just because,

00:46:24.390 --> 00:46:27.110
and like simply put, like, I mean, if you're coming in like with a competitive

00:46:27.110 --> 00:46:28.650
attitude, this is another subject.

00:46:28.770 --> 00:46:30.350
Maybe I don't even know what we're going to talk about the next episode,

00:46:30.470 --> 00:46:32.570
but whatever. Let's, I'm going to go on it real quickly here.

00:46:33.110 --> 00:46:35.990
Like if you're, you know, a good training environment like

00:46:35.990 --> 00:46:39.550
the training environment today very competitive really good dudes um

00:46:39.550 --> 00:46:44.190
it can be competitive while you're not like trying too much to compete if that

00:46:44.190 --> 00:46:48.150
makes sense because there's no such thing as like a training room metal there

00:46:48.150 --> 00:46:54.310
are no like it's it doesn't matter yeah it matters and like having it be fun

00:46:54.310 --> 00:46:59.110
and competitive and like difficult is good um but you're not like you're not,

00:47:01.510 --> 00:47:02.630
nobody cares.

00:47:03.550 --> 00:47:06.510
No one cares that you beat so-and-so.

00:47:07.490 --> 00:47:10.310
You individually might be glad that you performed the move well,

00:47:10.330 --> 00:47:11.650
and that's cool. You should be.

00:47:12.370 --> 00:47:15.810
Or you might be like, yo, I'm not as tired. I went against really good black

00:47:15.810 --> 00:47:17.490
belts. These guys usually wear me out. That shit is good.

00:47:17.590 --> 00:47:20.890
You should extract the good things about what you do. But it's not like a...

00:47:22.514 --> 00:47:28.014
I don't know, if you're getting an ego about it, your values and your goals

00:47:28.014 --> 00:47:29.534
are completely misaligned.

00:47:29.534 --> 00:47:30.294
Yeah, if the...

00:47:30.294 --> 00:47:31.414
It's misused ambition.

00:47:31.554 --> 00:47:36.254
If the goal is to beat everyone in the training room, you know,

00:47:36.254 --> 00:47:37.574
that's definitely a little...

00:47:37.574 --> 00:47:40.834
Well, it's just like, I mean, you can beat everything.

00:47:41.074 --> 00:47:43.894
Your goal, here's the thing, like I think there's another wrong with like,

00:47:44.054 --> 00:47:45.314
especially let's say you're a competitor, you're like, dude,

00:47:45.434 --> 00:47:48.214
like I want to try to like submit everyone in training tonight because like

00:47:48.214 --> 00:47:50.134
I need to be submitting people. Like I have no problem with that.

00:47:50.154 --> 00:47:55.294
I guess if it's every day, right? Like if that is your only reason for showing up.

00:47:55.314 --> 00:48:00.054
We could talk about guys like that for sure. And my issue is really just like

00:48:00.054 --> 00:48:05.734
if they're allowing that to cultivate some bizarre ego that comes out of it.

00:48:05.794 --> 00:48:06.714
Like you're not a champion, dude.

00:48:06.894 --> 00:48:10.614
Like you're, to that point, what you just said a second ago.

00:48:10.734 --> 00:48:16.294
Like if you're constantly submitting everyone in your training environment.

00:48:16.474 --> 00:48:19.534
Like you probably should cross train. Or like you need to go do some of the

00:48:19.534 --> 00:48:20.334
challenges a little bit more.

00:48:20.334 --> 00:48:23.054
But you can still do that in a room where like you might

00:48:23.054 --> 00:48:26.494
be better than people but you can modify your train like you shouldn't yeah in

00:48:26.494 --> 00:48:29.394
my opinion if you want to get the most out of this sport if you as the individual want

00:48:29.394 --> 00:48:32.394
to get as best as you possibly can that's what you should be caring about

00:48:32.394 --> 00:48:35.094
not about like did i submit everyone again hell yeah i've been doing that

00:48:35.094 --> 00:48:38.034
for eight years straight and i'm the guy that's silly

00:48:38.034 --> 00:48:41.574
yeah that's that's that's uh whatever um that's

00:48:41.574 --> 00:48:44.854
cowardly we've talked about this before coward coward you yellow

00:48:44.854 --> 00:48:48.014
belly um but i mean if that's your thing like you should

00:48:48.014 --> 00:48:50.754
like try to like strive for something a little bit more but like

00:48:50.754 --> 00:48:53.554
you but what i will say because like you can be

00:48:53.554 --> 00:48:56.374
in you can be the best dude in the room in my opinion and still

00:48:56.374 --> 00:48:59.434
like take like you should be building up your teammates if it's

00:48:59.434 --> 00:49:01.334
the people you've been submitting for eight years they should be getting better

00:49:01.334 --> 00:49:04.394
too like you should actually care about that make sure that you're doing your

00:49:04.394 --> 00:49:07.414
part even if you can't dog them all the time like you know do something to make

00:49:07.414 --> 00:49:10.294
them better because they'll push you a little bit harder that should be it should

00:49:10.294 --> 00:49:14.434
be becoming more difficult for you to do that in my opinion but take a step

00:49:14.434 --> 00:49:17.254
back you can still be like it's there's There's nothing wrong with being like,

00:49:17.314 --> 00:49:19.434
just like nasty in your gym. There's nothing wrong with that.

00:49:19.554 --> 00:49:20.674
It's going to happen. It happens all the time.

00:49:21.982 --> 00:49:24.902
But train differently. Yeah. Get these dudes in good positions,

00:49:24.902 --> 00:49:28.942
put yourself in fucked up positions that you might like, you need a little bit of like a challenge.

00:49:29.362 --> 00:49:31.022
Um, when that's something you get

00:49:31.022 --> 00:49:33.702
A little bit, get a little, yeah, exactly. Yeah.

00:49:33.782 --> 00:49:36.742
That's situational smart. Like there's just so many ways to like increase the

00:49:36.742 --> 00:49:40.622
value of what you're doing. And like, if the person just wants to stay in that

00:49:40.622 --> 00:49:44.722
really small frame of like, I just want to always beat the same people the same way all the time.

00:49:44.802 --> 00:49:45.722
Like that's the, that's the,

00:49:45.922 --> 00:49:48.762
We shouldn't even indulge that as a conversation. Yeah. Um,

00:49:49.462 --> 00:49:52.362
but we are talking about that, but, but nonetheless, we're

00:49:52.362 --> 00:49:56.522
indulging we're indulging a little bit but like it but okay but like you you

00:49:56.522 --> 00:49:59.702
can you can get more out of those training environments that's what i'm saying

00:49:59.702 --> 00:50:03.462
and um and you know what like at the end of the day like some people some people

00:50:03.462 --> 00:50:07.642
are going to do that it's not that big of a deal um because like i said it doesn't

00:50:07.642 --> 00:50:10.882
really mean much yeah that's their problem that's and that's there's no.

00:50:10.882 --> 00:50:14.282
Reason to get like crazy worked up at if they're getting what

00:50:14.282 --> 00:50:15.882
They're person yeah exactly they're.

00:50:15.882 --> 00:50:19.522
Still paying they're paying to be here yeah yeah you can you have there's plenty

00:50:19.522 --> 00:50:21.002
that you can control about that

00:50:21.002 --> 00:50:25.662
too right like you can just not roll with them if you don't like it this

00:50:25.662 --> 00:50:28.982
Doesn't mean they're bad guys either or bad girls it doesn't make them bad people

00:50:28.982 --> 00:50:31.662
it just means like that's what they want out of their training which is fine

00:50:31.662 --> 00:50:34.362
that's just probably different than what like maybe a more serious competitor

00:50:34.362 --> 00:50:37.942
wants um and if that and the more serious competitor from.

00:50:37.942 --> 00:50:40.022
Your jiu-jitsu experience too you can

00:50:40.022 --> 00:50:42.862
Just no here's the thing like i mean it's like i said it's just i just think

00:50:42.862 --> 00:50:46.742
it's misalignment of values and and goals um which is fine because like who's

00:50:46.742 --> 00:50:49.662
to say that person wanting to do that there's anything like dude that dude comes

00:50:49.662 --> 00:50:52.062
in he's a good person to be around that's how he rolls,

00:50:52.642 --> 00:50:55.642
that's great that can be a valuable asset too,

00:50:56.422 --> 00:51:01.742
and if that dude's happy with he's like I love doing this I'm gonna do it 10 more years good for him.

00:51:01.742 --> 00:51:03.522
I love choking out the white belts it's so fun

00:51:03.522 --> 00:51:11.682
Sure yeah again he's not hurting people he's not a bad dude it's just like that person's limit,

00:51:12.162 --> 00:51:15.462
is self imposed on what they're gonna get out of it and just other people might

00:51:15.462 --> 00:51:18.882
not be interested like a black belt world champion could come into that same

00:51:18.882 --> 00:51:23.242
room and go against that guy and decide that, you know what?

00:51:24.305 --> 00:51:28.545
If I want to fuck this guy up, I'll fuck this guy up. But also like, what do I get out of that?

00:51:28.805 --> 00:51:30.865
And like, I have a tournament in a month. And like you said,

00:51:30.945 --> 00:51:33.325
like maybe I want to do the reverse De La Jiva spider thing.

00:51:33.365 --> 00:51:36.185
Maybe that guy has a plan and he comes in and like, we're just not playing the

00:51:36.185 --> 00:51:38.405
same game today, dude. You're playing like, win at all costs.

00:51:38.505 --> 00:51:42.585
I'm like, good for you. I'm playing like, how do I, my last match six months

00:51:42.585 --> 00:51:45.705
ago, I had the opportunity to get like a really tight choke.

00:51:46.325 --> 00:51:49.105
I missed it. So like, I have a plan. I'm coming in.

00:51:49.565 --> 00:51:52.965
Yeah, like this guy might get his jollies by saying he passed my guard,

00:51:52.965 --> 00:51:55.625
you know four days later when i move and i or if i'm traveling or

00:51:55.625 --> 00:51:58.545
whatever yeah when i change cities he he we don't

00:51:58.545 --> 00:52:01.225
we're probably never gonna have a conversation about what he was trying to

00:52:01.225 --> 00:52:03.965
do in that five minute round that we had when i was doing my five minute round

00:52:03.965 --> 00:52:07.005
but if i told him i just was trying to actually get my guard passed so i can recompose

00:52:07.005 --> 00:52:09.845
and you fought with everything you had you got

00:52:09.845 --> 00:52:15.305
it but it's because i let you um because i wanted the challenge and um i don't

00:52:15.305 --> 00:52:18.425
care if you go and tell everyone you pass my guard that's fine like it's just

00:52:18.425 --> 00:52:22.225
like you see what i'm saying is just people playing different games and nothing

00:52:22.225 --> 00:52:24.865
wrong with it just don't I just don't think you should get like weirdly obsessed

00:52:24.865 --> 00:52:28.625
over like a that type of culture in a negative way yeah.

00:52:28.625 --> 00:52:32.425
No I think that's that's fair for sure um yeah

00:52:33.452 --> 00:52:36.032
I think we've done it.

00:52:36.492 --> 00:52:39.492
We squeezed the juice out of this. Although there's probably more to talk about.

00:52:39.692 --> 00:52:42.992
Yeah, I mean, just to kind of like summarize it, right?

00:52:43.252 --> 00:52:48.952
You've got, there's things that you, I mean, it's just in life in general,

00:52:49.172 --> 00:52:51.892
but like specifically within jujitsu, there's things that you do,

00:52:51.892 --> 00:52:53.772
you should control, right?

00:52:53.892 --> 00:53:00.792
Like there's things that you have control over that like it's okay to want to

00:53:00.792 --> 00:53:02.692
have your hand on that and control that.

00:53:02.692 --> 00:53:09.332
And regiment it and structure it, like especially around like if you have certain

00:53:09.332 --> 00:53:10.852
goals in your training or,

00:53:11.092 --> 00:53:16.052
you know, you're going to a competition or you're trying to change weight classes,

00:53:16.192 --> 00:53:20.412
like there's things that you do need to control and structure and create,

00:53:20.572 --> 00:53:24.232
like be disciplined around to achieve those things.

00:53:24.252 --> 00:53:26.712
And that's totally fine. That's not like

00:53:26.712 --> 00:53:27.812
Some people that

00:53:27.812 --> 00:53:32.232
Have different goals might see it as obsessive behavior. I understand that as well, right?

00:53:32.232 --> 00:53:36.892
Like, that's just part of, that's part of it too, is like, you might have people

00:53:36.892 --> 00:53:41.592
that are outside of those goals that are like, oh, like, why don't you just,

00:53:41.792 --> 00:53:44.032
you know, why don't you just.

00:53:44.885 --> 00:53:47.665
Take today off, you know? And like, it's like, well, like, no,

00:53:47.765 --> 00:53:51.925
cause my goal, my goal is this, and this is how I achieve that goal.

00:53:52.125 --> 00:53:55.585
And to them, it might be like, oh, well, you're like super obsessed with the jujitsu thing.

00:53:55.665 --> 00:53:57.945
I was like, well, no, like I just have a thing that I care about.

00:53:58.025 --> 00:54:00.905
And I have a goal on a meet, meet, right. If you want to talk about normies,

00:54:01.745 --> 00:54:05.565
But this, this conversation is not for normies. No. Yeah, dude, I, do we just.

00:54:05.745 --> 00:54:07.445
You know, we, just to summarize the control side,

00:54:07.585 --> 00:54:11.085
We treat them very kindly, but we just don't even, and I personally wouldn't

00:54:11.085 --> 00:54:12.145
even indulge a conversation.

00:54:12.305 --> 00:54:13.585
Yeah. People would talk that way. There's nothing wrong with it.

00:54:13.625 --> 00:54:15.885
They can be friends with me, but I'm like, we're not the same.

00:54:16.185 --> 00:54:19.785
There's a difference between obsession from the outside and like obsession that

00:54:19.785 --> 00:54:21.425
is truly nonproductive.

00:54:21.605 --> 00:54:26.045
I think that's the way that we're utilizing this term in this bubble we've made.

00:54:26.285 --> 00:54:30.485
If you want to be successful in this game, you have to have a disciplined mind. Yeah. You just have to.

00:54:31.025 --> 00:54:35.125
Maybe discipline versus obsession is the better terminology for it. I liked it.

00:54:35.225 --> 00:54:38.725
I liked control versus obsession. But I think discipline is kind of like the

00:54:38.725 --> 00:54:42.425
key you've kind of bridged the two because this stuff probably is obsessive

00:54:42.425 --> 00:54:45.645
yeah i mean like we were joking before we recorded we're like we're probably

00:54:45.645 --> 00:54:47.185
like we are obsessed there's.

00:54:47.185 --> 00:54:48.305
A that's what i'm saying it

00:54:48.305 --> 00:54:51.045
Bleeds but it's a disciplined version of it yeah

00:54:51.045 --> 00:54:53.905
yeah and like i like to to what you're saying dude like

00:54:53.905 --> 00:54:57.285
i mean yeah like you you do have to think the stuff the first two-thirds

00:54:57.285 --> 00:54:59.925
or 75 of the conversation like you have to discipline your mind you

00:54:59.925 --> 00:55:03.205
got to figure this stuff out man yeah you got to figure out your weight cuts and

00:55:03.205 --> 00:55:05.485
it's going to require some discipline and a little bit of awareness but the

00:55:05.485 --> 00:55:08.705
discipline gets easier when you have the systems right much like the mindset

00:55:08.705 --> 00:55:13.305
that we talked about too like same thing it's hard at first it might force like

00:55:13.305 --> 00:55:17.345
obsessive compulsive crazy thoughts in your mind but like you can you can learn

00:55:17.345 --> 00:55:21.785
how to manage that too and you gotta have to if you want to keep doing this well and.

00:55:21.785 --> 00:55:25.045
It kind of like goes back to the beginning of the year when we were talking

00:55:25.045 --> 00:55:32.065
about star wars um the obsession right is the is the the dark side right it's

00:55:32.065 --> 00:55:38.225
very tempting it's very tempting to go like 100 over the top all

00:55:38.305 --> 00:55:40.725
the way in on, you know, uh,

00:55:41.375 --> 00:55:44.355
every aspect of it and like get like super deep

00:55:44.355 --> 00:55:47.655
into the like to like the nano

00:55:47.655 --> 00:55:50.455
level of everything and be

00:55:50.455 --> 00:55:53.775
like oh well like i'm just gonna i i

00:55:53.775 --> 00:55:56.895
can't eat this at this time because then

00:55:56.895 --> 00:56:01.935
at this time it's gonna get in the way of this other thing and oh well i well

00:56:01.935 --> 00:56:06.255
i need to train today and so i can move these things around or what you know

00:56:06.255 --> 00:56:11.955
like and it's very easy for it to like turn into this like chaos because you're

00:56:11.955 --> 00:56:14.575
trying to like control it so much like you know i mean

00:56:14.575 --> 00:56:17.795
Bro we should we might need to have john back on to talk about that because

00:56:17.795 --> 00:56:21.795
i that just sounds to me like obsessive compulsive which is like a fear anxiety

00:56:21.795 --> 00:56:25.515
thing and like you said what is it fear leads to what was the star wars like

00:56:25.515 --> 00:56:29.375
what does uh yoda say he's like fear leads to hate or hate leads to fear and

00:56:29.375 --> 00:56:32.195
then it leads to the dark side all the shit these are just these are just emotions.

00:56:32.195 --> 00:56:35.695
Fear leads to the dark side fear leads to hate which leads yeah which leads

00:56:35.695 --> 00:56:37.175
To something something it's.

00:56:37.175 --> 00:56:42.615
Fear and hate or yeah emotions are bad that's the whole uncontrolled emotions

00:56:42.615 --> 00:56:48.375
uncontrolled emotions and like you know but again it's it's very like to just

00:56:48.375 --> 00:56:54.275
let it control you is very enticing right like it's easy it's

00:56:54.275 --> 00:56:55.235
Easy it's yeah you're.

00:56:55.235 --> 00:56:58.095
Right so like maybe that's maybe that is

00:56:58.095 --> 00:57:01.375
like kind of the the the barrier like where

00:57:01.375 --> 00:57:04.135
you want so much control over it that

00:57:04.135 --> 00:57:06.875
it kind of breaks and starts to control your life rather than

00:57:06.875 --> 00:57:10.475
you you're you controlling it within your life right so

00:57:10.475 --> 00:57:13.315
yeah i mean it's just star wars again jokes on you guys

00:57:13.315 --> 00:57:17.175
everything comes back it's all star wars again it is dude um so yeah i mean

00:57:17.175 --> 00:57:22.715
like that's kind of how i'm how i'm seeing it like after as we talked about

00:57:22.715 --> 00:57:27.695
it but like as we're going through it like i just it's a very fine line and

00:57:27.695 --> 00:57:30.335
like maybe you do need to live somewhere in the middle like we've talked about

00:57:30.335 --> 00:57:32.295
on the star wars episodes right like

00:57:33.146 --> 00:57:38.406
You might have to like every so often dip into that like little bit of obsession to then create,

00:57:38.686 --> 00:57:43.906
Use that to create your regiment and your discipline around certain things.

00:57:44.286 --> 00:57:46.726
But you got to find the, you got to find the things you care about.

00:57:46.846 --> 00:57:49.326
And there's definitely obsession involved with that and whatever,

00:57:49.506 --> 00:57:52.126
but got to make it productive.

00:57:52.466 --> 00:57:52.766
That's right.

00:57:53.106 --> 00:57:57.386
Productivity is the whole, is really the name of the game. I guess that's the

00:57:57.386 --> 00:57:58.966
key plot point here, right?

00:57:59.306 --> 00:58:02.626
Yeah, man. And this stuff isn't for everybody, man. Like at least the way we

00:58:02.626 --> 00:58:06.246
do it. It's not for everybody. I mean, I think everybody can get some...

00:58:07.634 --> 00:58:10.334
Value out of trying it um and some people will

00:58:10.334 --> 00:58:13.654
go further than we went with it um or going

00:58:13.654 --> 00:58:16.494
with it but uh because it does require a lot

00:58:16.494 --> 00:58:19.594
of this stuff like i said i just my attempt to

00:58:19.594 --> 00:58:22.814
kind of summarize it just requires like you discipline your mind because like

00:58:22.814 --> 00:58:25.934
you're gonna have to do these things yeah and someone says they're obsessive

00:58:25.934 --> 00:58:30.694
i'm like yeah okay cool they are call me obsessive but i don't you know what

00:58:30.694 --> 00:58:34.054
i mean like you said you come up with like the the managed version of it it's

00:58:34.054 --> 00:58:36.894
like you can call it obsessive if you want like yeah this is what i'm,

00:58:37.374 --> 00:58:40.714
doing exactly what are you doing trying to get me not to train yeah are you

00:58:40.714 --> 00:58:43.054
trying are you trying to tempt me attempting.

00:58:43.054 --> 00:58:44.694
To fail they're tempting you to fail cool

00:58:44.694 --> 00:58:50.194
I welcome this um anyways yeah that was my attempt that was my shots at the

00:58:50.194 --> 00:58:52.574
normies who try to steer us off track nah.

00:58:52.574 --> 00:58:55.734
I like the normies maybe we should do a normies episode on

00:58:55.734 --> 00:58:58.354
Patreon that would be kind of fun dude just bringing like a friend like what

00:58:58.354 --> 00:59:00.494
is all this bullshit kind of make a joke.

00:59:01.354 --> 00:59:02.494
That'll be kind of fun

00:59:02.494 --> 00:59:06.454
That'll be fun to make that'll definitely be because they're right by the way yeah.

00:59:06.454 --> 00:59:07.514
It's this stuff is

00:59:07.514 --> 00:59:08.974
Obsessive they are right.

00:59:08.974 --> 00:59:10.094
And it's weird you're

00:59:10.094 --> 00:59:12.294
Just like yeah it's yeah but i live with it.

00:59:12.294 --> 00:59:16.634
It's productive and gets us to the goals that we have and so it's

00:59:16.634 --> 00:59:20.014
Yeah the people who do this is what they do this is that we are those people

00:59:20.014 --> 00:59:22.654
so that's just what it is it's different than what you do it.

00:59:22.654 --> 00:59:27.094
When you look at it from the outside it's fucking weird we're jujitsu people

00:59:27.094 --> 00:59:29.234
We're weird resigned to that yeah that's.

00:59:29.234 --> 00:59:36.474
Just part of life uh but we'll we'll rag on ourselves um but yeah guys that

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