(Ep 29) Pedagogy on the Mat: Building Classes, Coaches, and Jiu-Jitsu Games

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Welcome back to Fighters Drinking Coffee.

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Today, we're going to talk about training methodologies, coaching, curriculum building,

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and kind of a couple things that we look for or that we would say to focus on,

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or at least this is from our own experience, but things to focus on at each belt.

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So it's kind of curriculum building, training methodologies, and coaching concepts.

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So these come from a listener question. Scott, how about you go ahead and give

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us the word for word on that? Yes.

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That way people know what we're looking at. I have it right here.

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All right. So this question is regarding BJJ pedagogy, which is the word.

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Yeah, that is the word. I was going to screw it up, so I wasn't going to say

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it. that's the English word from a Greek root pedagogy. Okay.

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As a former teacher and in chatting with coach Carter, I'm curious about what

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goes into designing BJJ, a BJJ curriculum.

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How do you determine what students should learn and craft this into a long-term

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program? How often do you update this?

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How do you then break this into your, break this

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program into your monthly focus areas and ensure

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alignment between coaches then a lot

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of stuff in this question so how do you

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break this into actual one-hour classes especially when you've got wide-ranging

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skill levels in the room good stuff okay okay okay okay okay okay okay so former

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teacher i'm curious about what goes into designing a bj curriculum not sure

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if you call it that how do you determine students should learn long-term and

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craft this into a program okay I got it,

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got it, got it, got it, got it, got it. Yeah. Take it step by step.

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So I think we both approach this slightly from different levels in it because

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you're, I mean, you're the head of a program and I'm executing within it.

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I still have flexibility in how I do it.

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But there's obviously those are, we are structuring at two different levels

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of it, you know, because you're definitely like, you're looking at it more from

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the umbrella, of the big, big plan, big picture.

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And I'm looking, I look at it more so from the majority of what I'm looking

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at is either the week or, you know, like within the framework, right?

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So we definitely have different...

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We can talk about different points of it, each of us. Do you receive a framework

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and then you work within that?

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Yeah, so there's, I receive like, so usually we'll have segments, right?

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We'll be going over, so like last month we did, like we'll do different positions

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that we're working within and we'll break those into offensive and defensive.

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Uh not all of them work that way

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but you know like uh we recently did north

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south then we did neon belly and now

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we're back and now we're into half guard um and then

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i i have the leeway and the freedom

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within that to show things that i do

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um sometimes there's is

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like if i'm covering a class sometimes i'm given like

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hey i was going to show this today could you show that um but

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for the most part it's showing the things

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that i do from those positions or like hey here's

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my escape that works or this is what works

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for me or here's an attack that i like to do from here um but

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i it's there's a little more uh knowing because

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i'll know what roughly what's going to be taught next

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so i can also work into that as well um but

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let me start big let's start how you plan out your like how you decide on what

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the curriculum will be um and like you know how you roadmap that for yeah because

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there's definitely road mapping that occurs i know that yep yep yep okay so i think uh to start.

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Okay, whoa, whoa, kick the mic. Settle down. I know, man.

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I'm so animated. But all right, so I think to approach this question,

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like the main curriculum that is used would be built around,

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and this question is layered really well because I think it sort of attaches to, excuse me,

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the psychology of mapping out like a team curriculum if you want to think of it that way.

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But I kind of approach it from like, I guess this perspective,

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which is like thinking about the audiences or the customers,

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if you want to put it that way, who we are serving and,

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the foundation of that curriculum in quotes is built around,

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like think like all levels slash maybe even slightly on the beginner side.

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Um this is i i'm approaching my

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answer overall to uh i think the first phase

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of this multi-part question which is it's geared

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towards getting new people ready for a blue belt test so white belt to blue

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belt and within that what the curriculum month by month will uh and then you

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like mapped out over the course of the year at least split in half like every

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six months so to speak you will.

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Build monthly themes oriented towards preparing regular new guys and gals for

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understanding fundamentals meant to get them to like that baseline understanding

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that after a couple of, you know,

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18 to 24 months, they're able to get a blue belt.

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And so while there's a ton of things in the world of jiu-jitsu,

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technically, conceptually, that people will eventually start to ascertain.

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There's really like your core set of positions and attacks.

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And the good news is, right, there's been, you know, generations and years of

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other coaches and black belts ahead of me that have put a lot of thought into this.

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So, like, I'm not building a, I'm not approaching these, like,

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quote-unquote fundamentals from scratch. Like there's like a set, um, pretty core. Um.

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List of things that many many

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many many coaches have agreed upon

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are like the the main thing so think like your your positions

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your guard your your guard passing um top

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positions escaping all those positions from bad you know flipping it around

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sort of like the offense slash defense of all of this um takedowns as well and

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cycling people through these things in a way that and This does also get into

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trying to keep this fairly streamlined, by the way,

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but it gets into other aspects of the question, too, which is taking these things

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and segmenting them, orienting them on like monthly,

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weekly, daily cycles so that it remains fun and entertaining for people as well

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because it needs to be fun and entertaining for people to want to come back.

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Like the listener question also kind of touched upon like, you know,

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I think was it this question?

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We had another question that was tied to this, but it was sort of like what

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do white belts, blue belts, and purple belts need to be receiving?

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And again, speaking maybe a lot more to the white belts, but also like it's

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irrelevant at all levels, which is I think a theme of what I just mentioned,

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which is that you want people to continue to want to come back to training.

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Because at the end of the day, we've talked about this a lot,

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it's that consistency of training that gets all of these folks,

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whether they're on a curriculum or not, ready for that blue belt test.

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The more structured and aimed in one direction the curriculum is,

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the better those folks will be at progressing towards that goal of getting that

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first promotion, or maybe even like the first couple stripes or whatever.

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But it's meant to, like the whole thought process This is meant to be oriented

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towards understanding the martial art.

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I'm going to say quickly, but while you can't skip steps, you can't rush that,

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but it's meant to give people a clear,

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thoughtful pathway to progression

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that gives a whole group of different coaches room to express themselves because

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that's a value add for most academies where you have multiple different coaches

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with multiple different perspectives and understandings of these different areas,

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these different themes that I mentioned that you might go like guard.

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Mounts to give like some specifics. Like if you have five, 10 different coaches

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or more or less or whatever,

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but a variety of coaches, they may each approach something similar,

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but in different ways, which gives your students different audiences to learn from.

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And then therefore, like if they like a certain style, they can attach to a

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coach and say, Hey, this guy's got something that I really like.

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And, um, I enjoy going to this person's class that kind of touches upon the

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class structuring aspect, which we can get to in a minute, but it gives that

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variety, but everyone is marching,

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all the coaches on the same pathway because it is a delicate balance of telling

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everyone in quotes like what to do and what to teach, but also allowing there

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to be the variety where people can express themselves. So it's like a balancing act.

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Well, and that allows, I mean, like you're touching on there,

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it allows your students to see enough different things and they might find,

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they'll find things that work

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better for like their body type or kind of the rest of their skill set.

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So, I mean, that makes a whole lot of sense there. Yeah, yeah.

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And so, let's, you know, how tactical do I want to be with this?

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I mean, I touched upon, I mean, I could even pull up, like since I write out

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these things for the team and distribute them,

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which I'll be doing in the next 24 hours for the month of September for the

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guys, but for the coaches to then get after it and you know, the next month.

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But you do kind of like, I mean, like I said earlier, there's the core set of

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foundational scenarios, principles,

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positions, whatever, like call it what you want, that people need to see and

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re-see and re-approach and re-approach from a different lens because as they

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develop, they'll, excuse me, they'll have a more trained eye.

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So you can kind of revisit something that you've taught before but taught now

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differently because the person you initially taught to like six months ago can

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only really comprehend certain elements of it because they're new.

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Do you remember like when, this is maybe, this is more about me but I want to

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hear if this resonates with you.

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I remember like learning or starting out as a white belt and like hearing words

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like leverage and pressure and being like, all right, like I get,

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I know what these words mean but I don't really know what they mean in this context.

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Yeah. Like early on you're like, what are you saying? Like, yeah,

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you want to like leverage that? I'm like, huh?

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Like I kind of get it. But like you, my point of saying that is like,

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you'll hear this shit and flies over your head when you're, when you're brand

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new, you just kind of like figuring out what the hell's going on.

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And then, you know, over the course of four or five, six months or maybe a year

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or two, like you might finally get what that means.

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And so when the person's teaching you as like a brand new person,

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like you might take in 10% of what they're saying, you come back to it six months

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later. and then you're more aware of what.

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They're actually trying to explain. And then like, if you, I could say the same

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thing six months later and the person might then get like 50 to 80% of it.

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And they're like, okay, now they're, they're learning a little bit faster because

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they're just more trained.

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They're more aware, uh, the more educated rather, um, on what I'm saying.

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And therefore, like I, you know, that's just, I'm just using an example.

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I try not to do the same thing the exact same way every single time,

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unless there are aspects of what I'm saying that I know works,

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which point I'm like, stick to what works.

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If things are kind of going over people's head or if they're not getting it, i'll approach

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it differently too um to try

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to get them to like that level of uh understanding and

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execution that shows that they're progressing you

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see what i'm saying yeah so you have to be in this kind of you know

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this part of this question too was like how often are you assessing it

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which is i mean i'm constantly assessing it but certainly like on a weekly and

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monthly basis and then like taking a step back like in a

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biannual slash annual basis to say all right like

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are people getting this well and you have to like

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you have to be open to like you have to be able to like take in the data

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to like understand if people are actually progressing well and it's

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good because you actually can get pretty real-time feedback

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on their understanding right like the extent

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at which you have to re-explain during

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the practice of it right like you'll have guys you'll show a move and explain

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explain or you know you're explaining the concept and then the quicker that

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you see that like skill acquisition you're like okay i did a good job the way

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that i explained it this time.

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Worked for this crowd very well and then there's

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other times where you have to like all right everybody bring it back in let

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me point out a couple other things and i you know it's like okay i didn't do

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a good job explaining it's not that they didn't get it i mean yes but it goes

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both ways i know what you mean partially that i didn't explain this well enough

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or i wasn't able to articulate what I wanted them to do.

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Your example with like pressure, right?

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People don't really know how to apply pressure.

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Well, they don't, they think they do. Right. But like initially,

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if you haven't done it, you don't really know how to like hold a person down.

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You don't, so you see a lot of guys like driving forward instead of settling down.

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Right. And so, um you have to be like you find yourself having to be more descriptive

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of that being like all right we're going to apply pressure here versus all right

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we're going to try to take our shoulder put it on our hand we're going to cut

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our cut off to a 45 instead of trying to stay parallel here,

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and you know you get these you you learn a lot more you get we've talked about

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this in other episodes too where you actually get better at the moves because

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you start to pick out the details a little better.

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But so like, yeah, you get that instant feedback on, all right,

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I'm able to now evaluate how to teach this thing or how to explain this concept because it's.

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I was able to see how quickly they were able to understand it.

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So, yeah, I mean, absolutely.

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And, you know, these things don't happen overnight too, which is you could be

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a really good communicator and deliver what you think is like,

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man, I nailed that. Like I explained that really well.

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But each person, this is part of the challenge of the job, people learn differently.

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And like you said, like you can, you might be talking about like an idea,

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a concept like applying pressure and someone

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might need you to tell them put your hand here put your your

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hip here drop your weight concentrate your weight on a leg or something on their

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core and like that person might say all right got it check like you told me

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specifically where to do this some people might just need to say hey drop your

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weight and you're like all right got it pressure um and some people might not

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get any of it because that's just not how they learn um,

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so it is in in this kind of uh another part

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of the question which was like different skill levels different like people it's like

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it's it's um it is a bit of a challenge which is why

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i kind of go back to like you reduce it down to like the core

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principle basic things because and to

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what you just oh my god i keep blasting my microphone but yeah i know man to

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what you were uh you know articulating a second ago which was that like i i

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like reteaching certain moves over and over again to to do what you talked about

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to see if people are either hearing it differently in a better way They're learning it better.

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Or maybe it's, am I explaining it in a more efficient way?

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I think that part of the challenge of a coach, this is something for sure that

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I've gone through and I'll drop in and see how other coaches are doing too on

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this thing, which is that,

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definitely talked about this in the podcast before too, which is like, I think.

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Mastery of something is being as a coach for in

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this scenario is being able to deliver it as

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quickly as possible in a way the other person receives the message and

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understands it in as few words as possible not like

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long drawn out uh monologues

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where you talk and rant and you say things that make you

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sound smart um yeah if you can if you can efficiently deliver the information

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and then they can go and just execute it like in a short amount of time that's

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you want to be efficient with that because like also part of the question is

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like this is a one-hour class for the most part and a lot of rooms it's around

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an hour right sometimes a little more but um,

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well and then how much of that's actual like instruction that's

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right right like not a ton quote unquote instruction yeah maybe 25

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percent of the class more or less depends on the class but um

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30 percent max and um

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people need time to practice it so you'll you'll get

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like you might not get more than two to five minutes to explain something and

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then it then becomes a matter of like having people deploy and start practicing

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that and then you you you run around and keep an eye on as many people as possible

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to say all right like let's see how they're doing because that's that's the

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feedback part that's where you get to see like all right do these guys,

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these guys see what i'm saying can they execute it and that's that's an immediate

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feedback loop for what you mentioned earlier um.

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There'll be a lot of instances where I'll have like two or three things queued up to teach.

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And sometimes we're going into the very first one and it's just not landing.

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And then I'll be like, all right, rather than jumping to two and three,

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let's stay on one. Let's just keep practicing it and see if I can't get these

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guys a little bit more aware and like approaching it better.

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Sometimes it's going off without a hitch and you can go to two to three,

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sometimes four or whatever or more time permitting because structuring a class

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too, this goes back to what I

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was saying where it's like people are paying money and they want to like,

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they want to exercise as well. They want to go off and play the game because that's fun.

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The class needs to be structured with like a warm-up because it's a physical

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activity. You don't want people to get injured, so they got to be warm.

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They want to walk off the mat with at least a little bit of a heartbeat,

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you know, like a pump and an elevated heart rate. They feel like they like,

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you know, they got some exercise in.

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Yeah, because I mean, a lot of people, this is their, this might be their main

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form of like physical activity too. That's right.

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Yeah. That's right. So you have to be conscientious of that as well.

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And that goes back to that theme of saying what I mentioned earlier where it's

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like hey let's get these guys having a good time get them to learn as much as

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possible in a short period of time, practice it,

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be conscientious to the fact that and I tell people all the time if this is

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your first time seeing this it's okay if you don't master it in this class it's

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actually, that's normal so don't be hard on yourself, try to pull away as much

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as you can out of it, no big deal if you don't the whole thing,

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because we want them to come back they need to keep practicing they'll

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see these things again and that's also

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part of why like when you structure these classes you want to give them time to spar

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and do things because you may talk about one thing during class that they might

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not actually get into in sparring or drilling or whatever unless you're like

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very intentional with your drilling which is good to do as well but um like

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you know we this this is kind of how the struct like okay let's i can talk about

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like what a the curriculum actually entails as well, because it touches upon that as well.

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Which is that, like, we'll have themes either for weeks, but definitely for months.

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Within that theme, so to speak, there will be a variety within the month.

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There'll be a variety within the week and sometimes variety day by day.

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But then I've also experimented with like consistency across days or weeks to

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say, all right, let's give these guys a couple of days in a row to work on a thing.

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On like one specific thing? Yeah, maybe like amount attack.

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Like you want it to be broad enough. Again, going back to what I was saying,

00:20:06.131 --> 00:20:08.791
we're like coaches. We're not all doing the exact same thing.

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Sometimes you might align on that too.

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There could be value in that. Like

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I know there are some places where the curriculums are extremely laid out.

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Yeah. You have like, on this day, we're doing this move. That's right.

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We're doing this. That's right. Yeah.

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Which can be a little bit formulaic and maybe too structured. It's a fine line.

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Yeah. When we came up, when we first started, the curriculums were like.

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I don't think anyone I ever trained with had a curriculum until like five to

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eight years ago, which is weird to say.

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I mean, I mean, that's a little bit, that might be a little bit extreme, but a

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lot of it was like I when I first started it was like show up

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you're gonna get what the coach had on the top of their head for that day and it was

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still cool like you would do it just like I don't know what I'm

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getting today move of the day random move of the day yeah and

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like you'd go out and you practice and you would learn like you I learned

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you learned we learned we did that but I know when we

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and like when we first started really taking over

00:21:02.891 --> 00:21:05.931
coaching too I mean we kind of looked at systems right

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like we did a lot of like systems work a lot about like

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we're gonna work kimura's systems like

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off of this or like uh you know so it was

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vastly we'd like pick a system every week just like not super random but relatively

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random right and that they didn't necessarily week after week didn't necessarily

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mesh together when we first so yeah but that's also like you know we still worked

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yeah of course people still learn and people still

00:21:32.551 --> 00:21:37.591
trained with us but all those guys are black belts now so yeah well yeah no no 100 man man.

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And, and, and that goes back to the consistency. Yeah. What I mentioned was

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like, those guys just like, we kept training.

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They wanted to keep training. And like, at the end of the day,

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you can have like a, I mean, you, you should have a plan and it should be thought

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through because that's kind of the point of what we did is sort of like,

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you know, in the early days, a lot of folks were pioneers for pioneers, man.

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Um, you know, like there was, there wasn't a lot of structure to these things.

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So it's sort of like, we get to look back at that and say, all right,

00:22:03.231 --> 00:22:08.011
well, like, what were the pros and cons of that, and where can we implement

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more and better for our people to, and this is, like, I think, again,

00:22:12.251 --> 00:22:17.291
like, a theme and a responsibility of a coach, which is, like,

00:22:17.311 --> 00:22:18.511
how do I make these guys better.

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Better, faster than I got better and faster. Because that's why they pay us

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money. Yeah. That's why they pay us money.

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Because, you know, like, they're paying us for our wisdom to deliver as much

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value and get them to where they can gain and gain and gain.

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Because they want to see that discovery. And that's what gets people excited about it.

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You know, one cool thing about, like, the feedback loop we talked about,

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like, that I like when I either do private lessons or I teach classes.

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And a lot of times I'll get this from people who will come up and ask me questions.

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We've talked about that on the show, too, which is, like, people ask good questions.

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I'll get like get varying degrees of quality questions

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no big deal but I'll respond to them and then like someone will come back later

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and say hey like when you mentioned the x y and z and I started thinking about

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it and I did it like you get with like what what people when someone asks a

00:23:02.163 --> 00:23:04.323
good question you can tell they've really thought about it like they're thinking

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about it like what a lot of I've noticed this with people it's like sort of

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like what you give attention to,

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actually Nakapan has has this uh saying that I really like that he relates it

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to business which is, but it relates to everything, which is like,

00:23:16.163 --> 00:23:18.963
he goes, he goes, what's get, what gets measured gets managed,

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which I like, which is really a code for like, if you're paying attention to

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something, you're thinking about it and you intend to do it,

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like you're going to do it.

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So I think that applies to teaching, which is like, Hey, like someone will come

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to me and say, I have a question about this half guard thing.

00:23:30.783 --> 00:23:33.803
This knee shield is driving me crazy. What do I do? I'm like, well, try this thing.

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You know, I, and I, I try to get to that answer via some sort of like relevant

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counter question to the person.

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Like I'll ask them to like reproduce the situation. It's like,

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what's jamming you up here?

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I can't get around this. Okay, what do you usually do? Why does it break down? What are you noticing?

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Sometimes I ask them, like, what do you think is going on? A lot of times people know the answer.

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They just need some help, like, problem solving around it. But,

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you know, I'll do my best to get to the root of something. I'll give them,

00:23:55.723 --> 00:23:58.423
like, again, as short and as to the point as possible.

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Hey, try this one thing. A week or two later, they'll be like, yeah, I tried that.

00:24:02.743 --> 00:24:05.663
Hey, man, it's starting to work a little bit. Now I have four or five more new

00:24:05.663 --> 00:24:07.963
questions and new challenges. That's jiu-jitsu for you.

00:24:08.763 --> 00:24:11.523
But it's, like, a cool way to say, hey, if you do this thing and you think about

00:24:11.523 --> 00:24:13.043
it, like, it'll start to work. Thank you.

00:24:13.752 --> 00:24:15.172
And then they'll see that and they'll be like, damn, all right,

00:24:15.272 --> 00:24:18.592
cool. Like this, good to know. It's good to know that like there is a solution

00:24:18.592 --> 00:24:19.852
to this problem that I'm looking at.

00:24:20.932 --> 00:24:23.372
And if I put some thought into it, I can kind of solve this problem.

00:24:23.472 --> 00:24:26.152
And then you'll move on to the next problem because, again, that's just jiu-jitsu.

00:24:26.272 --> 00:24:30.072
There's always another thing that's going to face you and make you like think and problem solve.

00:24:30.912 --> 00:24:36.152
And literally sweat through it. So it's a cool constant working and evolving

00:24:36.152 --> 00:24:38.872
martial art. Like, hey, shout out to jiu-jitsu. You rule.

00:24:40.112 --> 00:24:49.612
But yeah, there's that thought process and the discovery that I think you want

00:24:49.612 --> 00:24:52.372
people to see that. You want people to go out there and see it for themselves.

00:24:52.512 --> 00:24:58.832
Well, yeah, I mean, that's the general ideology behind the whole CLA eco thing,

00:24:58.912 --> 00:25:00.512
right? It totally makes sense.

00:25:00.772 --> 00:25:04.012
Shout out to Greg and the boys who, I know we're not going to talk about CJI.

00:25:04.012 --> 00:25:05.432
Well, you can talk a little bit about it.

00:25:05.452 --> 00:25:09.012
They did a great job. The American, I forgot the name of the team.

00:25:09.172 --> 00:25:11.812
It wasn't the Misfits, but whatever. Greg seemed great yesterday, man.

00:25:12.132 --> 00:25:16.612
And yeah, and he's got a, he deserves some credit for what he does.

00:25:16.772 --> 00:25:20.392
They were the Gorillas, I believe. Yeah, yeah, they looked good. Were they the Gorillas?

00:25:21.012 --> 00:25:24.132
I think you're right. Yeah. Whatever. I mean, we know, whatever.

00:25:24.132 --> 00:25:26.932
His team, Greg's team. Greg's team. Team Americas. Team Americas.

00:25:27.392 --> 00:25:31.852
But yeah, no, just like shout out to him. And like, I know people have been

00:25:31.852 --> 00:25:36.152
critical, including ourselves, but also he deserves credit for talking about this.

00:25:36.372 --> 00:25:39.932
Which even though a lot of people have done that style of training for a long

00:25:39.932 --> 00:25:43.532
time, he gets credit for putting a label on it. He spent a lot of time.

00:25:43.872 --> 00:25:47.832
He's been the most vocal about trying to expand that training methodology.

00:25:48.212 --> 00:25:53.052
And it does, I think what I like about that, that I have certainly seen in my

00:25:53.052 --> 00:25:56.992
years of coaching as well, is that it helps people get to that discovery themselves.

00:25:57.892 --> 00:26:00.572
And like, I remember when I was a white belt dude, and I remember the first

00:26:00.572 --> 00:26:03.392
time I landed an armbar from guard, and there was like this light bulb over

00:26:03.392 --> 00:26:05.072
like, oh man, this shit works. Yeah.

00:26:05.506 --> 00:26:08.946
Oh, and like that, there's like that. I'll never forget that because it was

00:26:08.946 --> 00:26:10.646
just like the moment where I'm like, damn, dude, like, okay,

00:26:10.746 --> 00:26:12.466
like you can actually do this shit. Sweet.

00:26:12.746 --> 00:26:17.546
Well, yeah, you definitely get like a lot more of those like light bulb moments.

00:26:18.266 --> 00:26:22.846
And sometimes people, when you, some people learn better that way too,

00:26:23.046 --> 00:26:25.266
right? Like there's guys that just learn better through, like,

00:26:25.386 --> 00:26:29.106
I mean, I learn better through problem solving versus like seeing a move.

00:26:29.226 --> 00:26:31.926
Like I like to problem solve.

00:26:32.146 --> 00:26:37.026
So that puzzle stuff works. Like I like that. So for me, it actually works pretty well.

00:26:37.566 --> 00:26:44.066
But I mean, there is a level of base understanding that's required for it, in my opinion.

00:26:44.286 --> 00:26:47.286
I don't know. But I think there is like, but it works.

00:26:47.406 --> 00:26:52.846
I try to work it into, I do like a hybrid method, right? Like I try to work

00:26:52.846 --> 00:26:54.126
it into my class structure.

00:26:54.286 --> 00:26:59.686
I think the challenge in like what Greg is attempting to explain with his methodology,

00:26:59.846 --> 00:27:03.066
with his pedagogy, is that- Word of the day.

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Word of the day. um and now this is where like i mean to to respond to what

00:27:07.166 --> 00:27:08.586
you said i think i would imagine.

00:27:09.526 --> 00:27:13.726
Most i just i mean there's just the two of us but i think if we asked if we pulled,

00:27:14.266 --> 00:27:20.026
10 people from random gyms i think most people would say that like they'll when

00:27:20.026 --> 00:27:28.986
they see and can track and like pinpoint um walk through through their own mentality

00:27:28.986 --> 00:27:32.226
like a moment where they like saw something click in other words like they discovered

00:27:32.226 --> 00:27:34.226
it for themselves that's the best the way they've learned.

00:27:34.386 --> 00:27:36.966
I think most people do respond to that.

00:27:37.546 --> 00:27:42.346
It's like you said, providing that, like the challenge is providing them with

00:27:42.346 --> 00:27:45.246
the right, like, it's like, what's the right way to get someone as quickly as

00:27:45.246 --> 00:27:48.766
possible to that point, which I think it was in Craig's thought process is like,

00:27:48.846 --> 00:27:50.686
this is how I found success people doing that.

00:27:51.166 --> 00:27:55.406
Um, and, um, in the, you know, the, the hundreds of not thousands of other coaches

00:27:55.406 --> 00:27:59.206
who are, who are doing that in other ways as well, all of whom have experienced

00:27:59.206 --> 00:28:02.026
success doing it in other ways, um,

00:28:02.346 --> 00:28:05.386
or similar ways, but like also slightly different ways too that

00:28:05.386 --> 00:28:08.326
is the challenge like you said it's sort of like i i do think that the

00:28:08.326 --> 00:28:11.266
the method of combining both like hey explain a

00:28:11.266 --> 00:28:14.046
thing try not to spend a ton of time on it be as be as

00:28:14.046 --> 00:28:18.326
concise as possible like we've talked about um put your students in a scenario

00:28:18.326 --> 00:28:20.686
where they can practice it and then like see it for themselves so that they

00:28:20.686 --> 00:28:23.526
can be like wow like that light bulb moment happens they're like dude i did

00:28:23.526 --> 00:28:27.846
it um and now their job is going to be continuing to do that against better

00:28:27.846 --> 00:28:30.566
and better people because this is the root of like usually when i get these

00:28:30.566 --> 00:28:32.286
questions that i allude to like after class It's like,

00:28:32.406 --> 00:28:34.926
the first question I usually ask someone is a counter question.

00:28:35.026 --> 00:28:36.206
It's like, all right, well, who did you try to do this against?

00:28:36.286 --> 00:28:39.106
It was just purple blood. I'm like, yeah, no kidding. Like, the purple blood made you, like...

00:28:39.805 --> 00:28:44.565
This is going to be a wider blue belt and usually a wider blue belt could be anyone.

00:28:44.745 --> 00:28:49.465
But like, it's, I always ask some, it's the, the, the questions only come when

00:28:49.465 --> 00:28:52.965
they're getting jammed up in a scenario, which usually like if they can pull

00:28:52.965 --> 00:28:55.465
it off against a wider blue belt, like they think they probably know it.

00:28:55.605 --> 00:28:59.085
When you go to a purple belt, who's, who's better and is forcing you,

00:28:59.165 --> 00:29:01.845
like you, you know, elements of it, which is like what I said earlier,

00:29:01.865 --> 00:29:03.265
where it's like, we'll explain something.

00:29:03.505 --> 00:29:05.885
You'll get 10 to 20% of it. Cause you're new.

00:29:06.245 --> 00:29:09.605
And that's just for most folks, what you can absorb at the time.

00:29:10.045 --> 00:29:12.765
You go and you do it for a while. It works on people of a certain skill level,

00:29:12.825 --> 00:29:15.985
but then you're going to run to the guy who can receive the data,

00:29:16.145 --> 00:29:19.625
the same data that I'm giving to that white belt at 50 to 60%.

00:29:19.625 --> 00:29:20.865
So they just know it better than you.

00:29:21.185 --> 00:29:24.705
And so you're going with your 20 to 30% awareness of it, which is getting you

00:29:24.705 --> 00:29:27.365
some success against people of lesser skill levels, no problem.

00:29:28.065 --> 00:29:30.985
And this is all, by the way, positive because now that what I usually,

00:29:31.185 --> 00:29:33.985
when I ask this question for a reason, because when I, and I always flame it,

00:29:34.065 --> 00:29:35.545
I throw it back at them as like, this is a good thing.

00:29:35.645 --> 00:29:38.545
Like you're just trying to do a better job against a better player at a thing

00:29:38.545 --> 00:29:41.165
that like, you've had some success with, some setbacks with,

00:29:41.385 --> 00:29:42.885
you just want to get better at it. No problem.

00:29:43.005 --> 00:29:45.945
This is a good thing. This is normal. You're not really, you may not be doing anything wrong.

00:29:46.105 --> 00:29:48.585
Well, you may not be doing it. You're definitely not doing everything right.

00:29:48.585 --> 00:29:51.925
Otherwise, you wouldn't be asking me the question. But you're not like, you're not bad.

00:29:52.565 --> 00:29:55.065
You're not bad at what you're doing. You probably know the answer.

00:29:55.665 --> 00:29:57.645
The other person you're going against is really good.

00:29:58.045 --> 00:30:01.405
And so they're forcing you, like when they see a mistake that you're making,

00:30:01.545 --> 00:30:03.885
they're just going to exploit it. Therefore, like, yeah, you've got to tighten

00:30:03.885 --> 00:30:05.105
up some things. Let's go back into it.

00:30:05.465 --> 00:30:07.685
Remember when I said this one thing about getting the right grip or the right

00:30:07.685 --> 00:30:09.945
position on blah, blah, blah, and they're like, yeah, I'm like,

00:30:10.105 --> 00:30:11.925
you know that, right? They're like, yeah, I get it.

00:30:12.025 --> 00:30:14.105
I'm like, that's what you need to get better at because they're just beating

00:30:14.105 --> 00:30:16.465
you here. So you got to be a little bit tighter on something like that.

00:30:16.845 --> 00:30:21.485
It may not always be that they lack the overall understanding.

00:30:21.505 --> 00:30:24.525
It could be that their overall understanding is insufficient and there might

00:30:24.525 --> 00:30:27.325
be one or two pieces within it where it's like, hey, just dial back into this

00:30:27.325 --> 00:30:30.005
one thing, practice that a little bit more, rep it out.

00:30:32.365 --> 00:30:35.585
And this does go to the curriculum challenge part two, which is like,

00:30:36.537 --> 00:30:39.537
You have an hour or two hours. I don't know how many classes some of these folks

00:30:39.537 --> 00:30:42.077
are attending today, but let's say they're doing one a day for a while.

00:30:42.357 --> 00:30:46.057
You might get into that class and you may have a question about something that

00:30:46.057 --> 00:30:48.657
me and you, let's say it's me and you, me and you talked about it a day ago

00:30:48.657 --> 00:30:49.637
and it's on the top of your mind.

00:30:50.017 --> 00:30:52.517
The theme for that day might not be what you have on your mind.

00:30:52.657 --> 00:30:53.477
It might be something different.

00:30:54.817 --> 00:30:58.337
And so they might not get to practice that thing that we talked about until

00:30:58.337 --> 00:31:01.157
sparring or the next day or the next time it comes up in the curriculum.

00:31:02.577 --> 00:31:06.317
So it is providing them time and access to go in and problem solving.

00:31:06.317 --> 00:31:09.757
Into some of these things, which is also why private lessons exist,

00:31:09.857 --> 00:31:12.477
so people can kind of get access to a coach, get that extra time to train,

00:31:12.897 --> 00:31:14.057
really get in there, work on

00:31:14.057 --> 00:31:19.637
a thing, because it just gives them that hour or so to be very targeted.

00:31:21.057 --> 00:31:24.597
It's more difficult to do that when you're going to classes.

00:31:26.197 --> 00:31:29.117
And that, I think, is just a matter of, I think all of these things,

00:31:29.217 --> 00:31:30.817
when I get these questions, when you get people who come to you,

00:31:30.957 --> 00:31:34.637
they're very good things, because it tells you that someone's really, they want to learn.

00:31:34.777 --> 00:31:37.117
Well, it shows they're paying attention. and they're interested,

00:31:37.477 --> 00:31:38.737
like, yeah, I mean, for sure.

00:31:38.857 --> 00:31:40.857
They're thirsty for knowledge, which is a good thing. And so,

00:31:40.957 --> 00:31:43.057
like, usually I'm like, hey, like, this is, look, you're passionate about this.

00:31:43.597 --> 00:31:46.297
You're thinking about it a lot. Like, do you want to get some extra time to practice this?

00:31:46.657 --> 00:31:51.357
Come into an open mat and do it. Come into a marathon rolling class.

00:31:51.417 --> 00:31:54.117
And, like, when you go into those settings, like, it's up to the person.

00:31:54.257 --> 00:31:55.657
Like, you don't have to get a private lesson.

00:31:55.917 --> 00:32:00.757
Something we implemented to help facilitate that for students,

00:32:00.817 --> 00:32:05.277
too, is we have three workshop classes.

00:32:05.997 --> 00:32:10.657
And so those are, um, they're more like open curriculum. So they're,

00:32:10.757 --> 00:32:17.277
they're, there's not a curriculum that might be like, Hey, so-and-so's got this competition set up.

00:32:17.437 --> 00:32:23.217
Like, so most recently I had two guys that had been consistently coming to my

00:32:23.217 --> 00:32:27.597
workshop classes that were preparing for an EBI rules tournament. Okay.

00:32:27.997 --> 00:32:33.497
And so we focused on EBI rules. So what we did was we did, I mean,

00:32:33.577 --> 00:32:36.857
this got, this is a little more beyond just the learning curve,

00:32:36.937 --> 00:32:39.537
but there's a learning, there is a learning portion to, Hey,

00:32:39.717 --> 00:32:41.237
you have, we're going to do 10 minute rounds.

00:32:41.797 --> 00:32:46.037
Your goal is to either submit them or get through the 10 minutes.

00:32:46.517 --> 00:32:51.557
Because after we did, we would do like three, three ish, four ish rounds.

00:32:51.977 --> 00:32:56.597
And then after doing those four rounds, like back to back, more or less,

00:32:56.757 --> 00:33:00.257
depending on the number of people we had there, you might get like a round off.

00:33:00.257 --> 00:33:03.217
Every two in one out whatever but then

00:33:03.217 --> 00:33:07.517
at the end of that all right now we're going to go over overtime you're tired

00:33:07.517 --> 00:33:10.837
that's how it's going to be when you do it we're going to go over overtime rules

00:33:10.837 --> 00:33:14.217
and we're going to drill those these are the positions that you can work from

00:33:14.217 --> 00:33:20.217
here is some solutions but for the most part here's the general concept of we

00:33:20.217 --> 00:33:22.797
need to break we need to break their arm or we need to in,

00:33:23.673 --> 00:33:27.453
we need to escape, right? Like, so those are the two things we do or back control.

00:33:29.053 --> 00:33:32.653
So, you know, all right, these are the things these guys are working on.

00:33:32.813 --> 00:33:33.913
We're all going to work on this today.

00:33:34.353 --> 00:33:38.213
Or someone might come and be like, hey, like another one we had was,

00:33:38.313 --> 00:33:39.913
hey, I'm having trouble.

00:33:40.353 --> 00:33:43.413
I want to get good at this toy bar thing.

00:33:43.593 --> 00:33:50.593
I went to this arm saddle seminar and I was having trouble executing this. I want to work on that.

00:33:50.753 --> 00:33:53.533
So, you know, like it gives more of a format for

00:33:53.533 --> 00:33:56.413
people that are either more

00:33:56.413 --> 00:34:00.093
advanced or they're like you're saying are

00:34:00.093 --> 00:34:02.973
trying to work on something that they had practiced before but now

00:34:02.973 --> 00:34:06.253
it's not the focus of the curriculum and

00:34:06.253 --> 00:34:12.073
they might not see that again for a year eight months whatever the curriculum

00:34:12.073 --> 00:34:18.053
allows so um and it's it's a separate format outside of open open mat where

00:34:18.053 --> 00:34:23.313
like hey we're gonna force you to do to actually work on things in,

00:34:23.513 --> 00:34:29.173
in a more drilling situation versus, you know, this guy's over here in the corner

00:34:29.173 --> 00:34:31.093
drilling and all these other guys are rolling.

00:34:31.233 --> 00:34:34.893
And then all of a sudden you're having to move around because people are going

00:34:34.893 --> 00:34:36.953
live and you're trying to work, you know?

00:34:37.073 --> 00:34:40.933
I think it's a cool, it's a cool idea, man. I like that you guys are doing that, that workshop thing.

00:34:41.153 --> 00:34:44.413
Um, and like you said, um, good example.

00:34:44.613 --> 00:34:47.293
Like, let's say there's like a dude who like, because again like you want

00:34:47.293 --> 00:34:50.333
this to be fun you want people like we we

00:34:50.333 --> 00:34:53.453
don't want them like if someone has like something on their mind that's like that's challenging

00:34:53.453 --> 00:34:56.273
them or it's exciting them like the choy bar thing hey i went to the seminar

00:34:56.273 --> 00:34:58.673
i thought it was really cool i know it may not be in the curriculum for a while

00:34:58.673 --> 00:35:01.873
but can me and you like maybe it's in the workshop thing maybe it's a one-on-one

00:35:01.873 --> 00:35:06.273
can we can we can we go over it can we please um you want that person to remain

00:35:06.273 --> 00:35:10.393
like excited and engaged it doesn't always this is part of like this is related

00:35:10.393 --> 00:35:11.553
this is a very good question.

00:35:12.213 --> 00:35:17.453
Um, because like you want that fluidity, you want to be like agile and adaptable

00:35:17.453 --> 00:35:19.833
enough to like allow people to have room to do stuff like that.

00:35:19.913 --> 00:35:20.933
Cause that's what keeps people excited.

00:35:21.273 --> 00:35:25.153
And as you said, after people get to like some folks, like I do a lot of private,

00:35:25.233 --> 00:35:28.673
I have one private lesson with a, with a guy who, uh, we, we,

00:35:28.793 --> 00:35:32.553
we go through like, uh, YouTube videos and Instagram steps. And he's like,

00:35:32.633 --> 00:35:33.933
dude, this stuff is awesome. Can we do this?

00:35:35.373 --> 00:35:37.393
I'm And he's a purple belt. He knows what he's doing.

00:35:39.733 --> 00:35:42.413
But he's, one, investing his time and his money in doing this.

00:35:42.493 --> 00:35:44.413
And, like, he's been training long enough that it's like, hey,

00:35:44.513 --> 00:35:47.173
man, like, let's make good use of your time and money. Want to do some fun stuff?

00:35:47.293 --> 00:35:48.893
Let's do some fun stuff. Sometimes we just roll.

00:35:50.253 --> 00:35:53.553
If I were going to be like, all right, man, like, what, to get your brown and

00:35:53.553 --> 00:35:55.353
black belt, by the way, do you get his brown and black belt?

00:35:55.413 --> 00:35:57.073
He just needs to keep showing up. Nothing crazy about that.

00:35:57.173 --> 00:36:00.293
So he'll get his brown and black belt if he keeps showing up. But, yeah.

00:36:00.763 --> 00:36:02.963
I could also very easily just say, no, you just need to do these fundamental

00:36:02.963 --> 00:36:04.303
things, like screw all this internet shit.

00:36:04.623 --> 00:36:07.483
But at the same time, like, want him to have fun, dude. So it's sort of like

00:36:07.483 --> 00:36:10.643
this balancing act of saying, like, I can give you my curriculum and I can get

00:36:10.643 --> 00:36:12.203
you to your black belt, do these things.

00:36:13.103 --> 00:36:15.683
But also, like at the end of the day, like I said, it's just consistency,

00:36:15.683 --> 00:36:16.623
he'll get that either way.

00:36:16.703 --> 00:36:19.283
Whether we're doing like guard passing, guard passing, guard passing,

00:36:19.523 --> 00:36:22.183
fundamental stuff, fundamental stuff, fundamental stuff, but if that gives him

00:36:22.183 --> 00:36:23.823
burnout, and he's like, this is just getting boring, dude.

00:36:23.903 --> 00:36:26.103
Maybe he doesn't show up consistently anymore, and then like all of a sudden

00:36:26.103 --> 00:36:30.043
he falls off, and that brown belt, that black belt kind of eludes because he doesn't show up.

00:36:30.043 --> 00:36:32.803
The value of him being like dude this one like he's

00:36:32.803 --> 00:36:35.703
a paying customer and knows what he wants to do

00:36:35.703 --> 00:36:38.543
and it keeps like it keeps this whole thing fun

00:36:38.543 --> 00:36:41.223
for him so he wants to continue to show up and like just have an

00:36:41.223 --> 00:36:43.943
avenue to do like exciting fun shit that keeps him

00:36:43.943 --> 00:36:46.923
on the mat dude look that there's value in that yeah that that

00:36:46.923 --> 00:36:50.103
hour is his that's his hour of release

00:36:50.103 --> 00:36:52.823
right like yeah we can work our we can

00:36:52.823 --> 00:36:55.783
work our guard passing in live rounds but this

00:36:55.783 --> 00:36:58.403
is my time to this is the time to like hey i want to

00:36:58.403 --> 00:37:01.843
get good at this cool fun thing and then i'll get

00:37:01.843 --> 00:37:04.703
my i'll eat my vegetables later right i love that phrase and

00:37:04.703 --> 00:37:07.723
yes that's exactly what it is and like also like he's he's a lot

00:37:07.723 --> 00:37:10.443
of that hour two sometimes we'll do stuff basically like we'll go and we'll

00:37:10.443 --> 00:37:12.763
be like all right this one's bullshit this one's bullshit this one's bullshit

00:37:12.763 --> 00:37:16.103
that one's good that one's good okay let's do that one for a little while all

00:37:16.103 --> 00:37:19.163
right this one actually could fit for you so he's also more educated because

00:37:19.163 --> 00:37:22.683
he is a purple belt spends a lot of time studying and like he loves like he's

00:37:22.683 --> 00:37:25.383
an analytical type dude so he like likes looking and learning he's like pretty

00:37:25.383 --> 00:37:27.903
smart and kind of understands many of these things already.

00:37:28.063 --> 00:37:32.503
So it's like, all right, dude, like we can make this, we can use this in a lot of different ways.

00:37:34.003 --> 00:37:38.923
And yeah, so it kind of gets to that theme of keeping him, having a good time,

00:37:39.943 --> 00:37:43.603
enjoying training, not being too formulaic. Because the other thing too,

00:37:44.829 --> 00:37:48.849
Um, people have like day jobs, people have structure, people have families,

00:37:48.989 --> 00:37:50.809
they have like, people have like rigidity in a lot of ways.

00:37:51.289 --> 00:37:56.669
Um, not the devil's advocate against curriculums, but there's probably also

00:37:56.669 --> 00:37:58.989
a case to be made for letting people kind of just free flow sometimes,

00:37:59.149 --> 00:38:01.249
giving them a little room to like just have some fun.

00:38:01.629 --> 00:38:04.429
Um, you know what I mean? Like without like too many struck,

00:38:04.709 --> 00:38:06.489
too much structure and too many limitations.

00:38:07.109 --> 00:38:13.009
Um, but at the bedrock of everything we do, there's, there's gotta be a curriculum to keep people on track.

00:38:13.009 --> 00:38:16.049
Um my i when i first

00:38:16.049 --> 00:38:19.489
started off like at the beginning of the episode thinking about this like this for all

00:38:19.489 --> 00:38:22.249
intents and purposes everything we're talking about here is really oriented towards like your

00:38:22.249 --> 00:38:25.589
beginner and like all levels style students not

00:38:25.589 --> 00:38:28.449
even quite getting an intermediate and advanced which like i also have experienced

00:38:28.449 --> 00:38:31.369
those audiences as well where you more or less do similar

00:38:31.369 --> 00:38:34.029
things but you push it at a little bit of

00:38:34.029 --> 00:38:38.489
i guess you'd call it a higher level like you can kind of um keep

00:38:38.489 --> 00:38:42.109
a similar thought process on what worked

00:38:42.109 --> 00:38:44.829
for the new guys it will definitely continue to work for the

00:38:44.829 --> 00:38:47.649
more advanced intermediate guys you just do it at a different in a different

00:38:47.649 --> 00:38:54.609
tempo with a different degree of rigor and higher expectations um but it also

00:38:54.609 --> 00:38:58.849
allows you to kind of throw in the more advanced moves and and experiment and

00:38:58.849 --> 00:39:02.269
kind of take that same structure and um.

00:39:03.429 --> 00:39:08.709
Pedagogy, but apply it with the ability to inflate, to add in new ingredients into the stew.

00:39:09.289 --> 00:39:13.189
So, um, your, your orientation towards these different audiences,

00:39:13.189 --> 00:39:16.869
it remains similar, but like it can start to evolve a bit too.

00:39:17.509 --> 00:39:21.749
Um, but I've, I've always been a big fan of saying like what works for like

00:39:21.749 --> 00:39:23.109
a lot of what I tell these guys to,

00:39:23.209 --> 00:39:26.149
and I teach like even the white belts is like, this is the stuff that like I've

00:39:26.149 --> 00:39:31.249
continued to do over 20 years and even more like some of it I do even more as

00:39:31.249 --> 00:39:33.389
I've competed, as I've gone with better and better players.

00:39:33.509 --> 00:39:37.749
I'm like, this is like, there's so many, there's all, all kinds of stuff I can show you. But what I'm.

00:39:38.645 --> 00:39:41.245
Gonna put in front of you all stuff that i know works so once you

00:39:41.245 --> 00:39:44.365
want to get good at this well yeah your your fundamentals is what wins

00:39:44.365 --> 00:39:47.725
at the end of the day right like fundamentals wins

00:39:47.725 --> 00:39:50.645
medals that's what i that's something

00:39:50.645 --> 00:39:53.645
i shared yesterday um but yeah like that's

00:39:53.645 --> 00:39:58.165
those basics are the things that uh those

00:39:58.165 --> 00:40:01.865
are the things that win your matches those are the things that make you better

00:40:01.865 --> 00:40:06.345
right then the uh the advanced

00:40:06.345 --> 00:40:12.925
stuff is good and all but it's a separate like that's a whole different um there's

00:40:12.925 --> 00:40:18.985
a whole different avenue uh you don't need those things to be good but you need

00:40:18.985 --> 00:40:25.225
to be good at the fundamentals to be good um no 100 percent more than anything else Yeah.

00:40:25.465 --> 00:40:30.725
And I just, it goes back to the core, which is that you, you,

00:40:30.985 --> 00:40:34.245
you have that like attachment to things that, you know, folks need to,

00:40:34.405 --> 00:40:37.825
to work on because Jiu Jitsu inherently has its limits to like,

00:40:37.905 --> 00:40:41.785
it's a grappling art built around like holding a person down and submitting them.

00:40:42.165 --> 00:40:47.605
And then within that, there's like a set amount of very specific scenarios.

00:40:47.765 --> 00:40:52.225
Scenarios, when I say very specific, I mean, like I said, it's like side control,

00:40:52.485 --> 00:40:56.225
guard, top and bottom, the takedown game, offense and defense,

00:40:56.845 --> 00:41:00.325
the pins that come after you've passed someone's guard, and then once you're

00:41:00.325 --> 00:41:03.145
pinning and controlling someone, it's like how do you get to a submission from there?

00:41:03.285 --> 00:41:06.045
So it's like there's just these overarching challenges.

00:41:06.669 --> 00:41:09.669
Consistent positions that like gives that inherently has

00:41:09.669 --> 00:41:12.709
parameters it gets on a striking art so it's like we're not going into

00:41:12.709 --> 00:41:14.729
it saying like we're gonna get here and then like you're allowed to punch them

00:41:14.729 --> 00:41:15.389
or you're allowed to do all

00:41:15.389 --> 00:41:18.549
this stuff like as the parameters broaden

00:41:18.549 --> 00:41:22.029
like you can go in many many many different directions so um

00:41:22.029 --> 00:41:24.929
like the the art of jiu-jitsu kind of like it

00:41:24.929 --> 00:41:27.969
in a good way um keeps us

00:41:27.969 --> 00:41:31.589
like limited enough to say all right this is what this this game entails and

00:41:31.589 --> 00:41:34.269
so within that while those labels i said

00:41:34.269 --> 00:41:37.089
have so many so many things you can do

00:41:37.089 --> 00:41:40.089
um it gives you that like broad

00:41:40.089 --> 00:41:42.849
range of like like telling someone like this

00:41:42.849 --> 00:41:45.249
is more or less what we do like our curriculum will be like all right it's going

00:41:45.249 --> 00:41:50.449
to be this month the month of august um to give you like a specific example

00:41:50.449 --> 00:41:55.489
last month when you guys are hearing that right yeah true true like well whatever

00:41:55.489 --> 00:42:02.769
the month of august um was oriented towards like attacking from top position,

00:42:03.069 --> 00:42:04.769
which is a broad statement,

00:42:05.289 --> 00:42:08.929
but nonetheless still parameters, which is a contrast from like a month before

00:42:08.929 --> 00:42:10.889
we did like attacking from bottom position.

00:42:12.289 --> 00:42:15.149
Sequenced through the month, there were scenarios where it's like,

00:42:15.269 --> 00:42:18.649
hey, right off of the takedown, you're going to see someone's guard.

00:42:19.629 --> 00:42:23.589
How do you approach the guard? How do you then tango with, like approaching

00:42:23.589 --> 00:42:25.929
the guard is different than actually getting in and passing the guard.

00:42:26.009 --> 00:42:27.549
Like, you know, we do the guard and regard drill. Yeah, yeah.

00:42:27.549 --> 00:42:28.269
Like I'm getting in there.

00:42:28.369 --> 00:42:31.589
I'm approaching and I want to approach this guard because the way I approach

00:42:31.589 --> 00:42:35.509
it will lead to how I pass this guard.

00:42:35.609 --> 00:42:38.749
So it's sort of like entering into, think like if anyone's wrestled,

00:42:38.809 --> 00:42:40.069
listen to this, it's like when you hand fight.

00:42:40.409 --> 00:42:45.249
Like you hand fight really well and that sets you up for a shot or an attack.

00:42:45.849 --> 00:42:48.429
Sends you up for your entry point. So it's like set yourself up for an entry

00:42:48.429 --> 00:42:50.789
point to guard. Once you've got that good entry point, you're already off in

00:42:50.789 --> 00:42:52.289
a good position because you have that good entry point.

00:42:52.449 --> 00:42:55.309
Now we're executing the guard pass. This could be the next couple of days.

00:42:55.429 --> 00:43:00.389
This is your point of engagement too, right? A lot of the passing game can be

00:43:00.389 --> 00:43:03.529
lost in how you engage the guard.

00:43:03.829 --> 00:43:09.809
So it's super crucial that you do it the way that's going to be good for your game.

00:43:11.169 --> 00:43:16.729
Because there's a lot of ways that you can approach the guard and end up in

00:43:16.729 --> 00:43:18.869
a really shitty guard position.

00:43:19.049 --> 00:43:23.389
100%, man. And you made a comment earlier too, which I also think lends the

00:43:23.389 --> 00:43:24.449
different coaches different styles.

00:43:24.589 --> 00:43:27.109
This guy referenced Coach Carter. Coach Carter's like six foot three.

00:43:28.004 --> 00:43:30.704
Tall, longer guy. He's bigger than me by about like 65 pounds.

00:43:31.144 --> 00:43:32.804
Um, he does things a lot differently than I do.

00:43:32.924 --> 00:43:35.824
And he like, but we nonetheless have to do the same thing. I have to approach

00:43:35.824 --> 00:43:36.884
the guard. He has to approach the guard.

00:43:37.064 --> 00:43:40.204
Here's how I approach the guard. And that might make sense for people who,

00:43:40.684 --> 00:43:44.564
um, maybe have a similar build to me the way I teach it or people who maybe

00:43:44.564 --> 00:43:45.984
they think similarly to me.

00:43:46.304 --> 00:43:52.044
Um, but there was going to be a whole room of people who might say or think or maybe either look or,

00:43:52.144 --> 00:43:55.384
or are built this way, the way Carter's built and respond

00:43:55.384 --> 00:43:58.644
to that or possibly just think the way carter thinks and when carter explains

00:43:58.644 --> 00:44:01.344
that and shows the way he does it which he and

00:44:01.344 --> 00:44:03.964
i've been training together for for forever so we definitely have a

00:44:03.964 --> 00:44:06.984
lot of similarities but carter's a black belt he's he's he's earned

00:44:06.984 --> 00:44:09.784
his ability to like explain the way he does things

00:44:09.784 --> 00:44:12.804
so like he's going to show his thought process on this and

00:44:12.804 --> 00:44:15.464
again we're aligned in a lot of ways but like we're also different a lot of ways

00:44:15.464 --> 00:44:18.484
and we have to be because like we're just like we're pretty pretty different

00:44:18.484 --> 00:44:21.424
style guys we're built similarly that's right we've also done

00:44:21.424 --> 00:44:24.264
we've trained we do a lot of stuff similarly that's right but

00:44:24.264 --> 00:44:27.124
even you do stuff differently than me too and vice versa right but

00:44:27.124 --> 00:44:29.864
he yeah absolutely but he also you know when you

00:44:29.864 --> 00:44:33.144
get into these vast differences in build you

00:44:33.144 --> 00:44:38.044
have way different problems you have to address like the problems that we that

00:44:38.044 --> 00:44:41.264
we get when we approach guard are gonna be a lot more similar than the problems

00:44:41.264 --> 00:44:46.284
that he has to deal with because limb length he's got long ass legs that's right

00:44:46.284 --> 00:44:51.044
and he can and he can also approach in different ways because he has long longer

00:44:51.044 --> 00:44:52.184
arms longer torso he can.

00:44:52.724 --> 00:44:56.024
With depending on the size of the person, he can actually keep everything else

00:44:56.024 --> 00:44:57.944
away and still engage the guard. That's right.

00:44:58.084 --> 00:45:00.464
So, yeah, absolutely. It makes a huge difference.

00:45:00.724 --> 00:45:03.624
And my only point there is that like some of the students might respond differently

00:45:03.624 --> 00:45:05.564
and they may, they may get more value out of that.

00:45:05.924 --> 00:45:08.624
Oh yeah. Then like, listen to me or you or whoever, right? Like,

00:45:08.764 --> 00:45:12.664
so I think that, that kind of lends what, this was all attached to a point I

00:45:12.664 --> 00:45:14.984
was making about like the way that the curriculum is structured with something

00:45:14.984 --> 00:45:17.044
like half guard passing,

00:45:17.044 --> 00:45:22.004
close guard breaking like just it's that's a parameter that's a specific thing

00:45:22.004 --> 00:45:27.004
but like it gives Carter me Trey Khaldun whoever's teaching the

00:45:27.401 --> 00:45:29.341
all of us enough variety to show it a little bit differently.

00:45:29.541 --> 00:45:32.541
We're all, we're all going to end up like, we all know what needs to be done

00:45:32.541 --> 00:45:34.901
and then where you need to go, but we'll teach you differently.

00:45:35.181 --> 00:45:39.041
And so like people can like pick and choose where they want to do it or kind

00:45:39.041 --> 00:45:40.741
of mix and sample different things.

00:45:40.881 --> 00:45:43.261
And you know, also like folks have this availability. Some people are like,

00:45:43.341 --> 00:45:45.101
I can only get to like 7 PM class or whatever.

00:45:45.221 --> 00:45:48.981
So they might out of necessity attached to that coach. But I think you get what

00:45:48.981 --> 00:45:50.341
I'm saying when it comes to these curriculums.

00:45:50.461 --> 00:45:54.301
So it's like, you'll to put a bow on it. Like you'll, you'll give.

00:45:56.421 --> 00:45:59.601
For all intents and purposes at least this year like every six months,

00:46:01.521 --> 00:46:06.001
across six months I'll try to check the box on the major themes,

00:46:06.981 --> 00:46:12.101
of the martial art at a baseline beginner level that even again like the blue,

00:46:12.221 --> 00:46:15.201
the purple, the brown and the black belts are going to need to work on these

00:46:15.201 --> 00:46:17.901
things as well so there is that alignment this was part of the question like

00:46:17.901 --> 00:46:19.621
how do you deal with different skill levels,

00:46:20.361 --> 00:46:23.101
all sometimes in the same room like everyone needs to do

00:46:23.101 --> 00:46:26.721
this like everyone needs to do the same homework albeit differently for

00:46:26.721 --> 00:46:30.221
sure but um we'll all

00:46:30.221 --> 00:46:34.021
be facing the same problem and approaching

00:46:34.021 --> 00:46:38.021
the same problem with there being enough variety across like we have we're lucky

00:46:38.021 --> 00:46:41.301
at dm2 we have a huge schedule it's packed with like lots of different coaches

00:46:41.301 --> 00:46:45.621
a ton of really like we have a lot of black belts now um more than most academies

00:46:45.621 --> 00:46:50.861
have and pardon me as a student again like you have to factor in like hey,

00:46:51.001 --> 00:46:52.861
what availability do I have to get to all these different classes?

00:46:53.061 --> 00:46:55.601
But we have morning classes, we have lunch classes, we have a shit ton of evening

00:46:55.601 --> 00:46:58.861
classes, all of it from like starts at like 5, goes until 10 p.m.

00:47:00.881 --> 00:47:03.921
And on any given day, you might have three to four different black belts coaching.

00:47:04.061 --> 00:47:06.961
So it's like, all right, like in a perfect world, if someone can just get to

00:47:06.961 --> 00:47:09.381
whatever class they want, they can mix and match or sample or just say like,

00:47:09.481 --> 00:47:10.341
oh, I love this one coach.

00:47:10.461 --> 00:47:13.781
This dude's classes, I go to his classes or her classes or whatever.

00:47:15.627 --> 00:47:18.147
Again, juxtapose that with the fact that most people have constraints on their

00:47:18.147 --> 00:47:21.567
schedule and they're like, I can only get to like, I'm available between like six and nine.

00:47:21.787 --> 00:47:24.667
So like maybe the variety is somewhat limited, but they still like,

00:47:24.767 --> 00:47:28.787
we can only do so much to provide them that access. But I think we're doing a decent job at it.

00:47:29.927 --> 00:47:35.287
People get that. People get to be able to like go in on any given day and know

00:47:35.287 --> 00:47:39.467
that like it's what's going to be taught has been thought through for a reason.

00:47:40.207 --> 00:47:44.287
And it's, it's pushing them towards, Like I said, generally speaking,

00:47:44.527 --> 00:47:46.747
like, approach this from, like, hey, like, the baseline.

00:47:47.467 --> 00:47:51.987
And this is, like, the purple belts and brown belts, if they think that they're

00:47:51.987 --> 00:47:54.387
not getting any value out of, like, this curriculum, which they are.

00:47:54.507 --> 00:47:56.447
But if they think they're not, like, I would put it to them.

00:47:56.567 --> 00:48:00.747
Like, put it like this, which is, like, the more new people who can come in

00:48:00.747 --> 00:48:03.987
and quickly grow and develop, that's more training partners for you.

00:48:04.207 --> 00:48:10.447
So we want to, like, nurture that. Like, that baseline community that it kind

00:48:10.447 --> 00:48:11.467
of pushes all of us upwards.

00:48:11.467 --> 00:48:14.227
Because as the white belts become good blue belts and the blue belts become good purple belts

00:48:14.227 --> 00:48:16.867
it pushes the brown and black belts to be better because those guys

00:48:16.867 --> 00:48:19.547
are coming after us well yeah and um and we have to

00:48:19.547 --> 00:48:22.267
adapt so and to kind

00:48:22.267 --> 00:48:26.487
of touch on that the um that

00:48:26.487 --> 00:48:29.347
purple brown phase like those we we

00:48:29.347 --> 00:48:32.147
talked about our the second portion of this

00:48:32.147 --> 00:48:34.987
question is uh is about

00:48:34.987 --> 00:48:38.567
like what things for different belt levels those are

00:48:38.567 --> 00:48:41.247
more of like game building right like that's where

00:48:41.247 --> 00:48:44.707
you're building your jiu-jitsu more so than so

00:48:44.707 --> 00:48:47.707
like there isn't specific purple belt

00:48:47.707 --> 00:48:50.687
moves there isn't specific brown belt level moves like

00:48:50.687 --> 00:48:55.067
white belt for the most part is seen as like this is where you're building your

00:48:55.067 --> 00:48:59.567
defense blue belt you start to build your offense purple and brown you start

00:48:59.567 --> 00:49:05.887
to actually build your jiu-jitsu like your like game your pathway that you do

00:49:05.887 --> 00:49:08.087
your a's your A game, your B game, right?

00:49:08.287 --> 00:49:12.507
Like, at least that's the way that I look at it. Like there's a lot of more,

00:49:12.607 --> 00:49:17.147
there's still more stuff I could learn, but for the most part now I'm just refining.

00:49:17.347 --> 00:49:21.647
I mean, especially from a competition view, from a competition standpoint,

00:49:21.767 --> 00:49:24.767
like I, I'm more competition focused just the way that my brain works.

00:49:24.947 --> 00:49:31.807
But, um, from that standpoint, like you're building how you play jujitsu.

00:49:32.007 --> 00:49:36.267
Now you're no, you're not necessarily in the massive skill acquisition.

00:49:36.427 --> 00:49:38.347
Well, That's the wrong... I know what you mean.

00:49:39.087 --> 00:49:42.047
You're gamifying it. Yeah. You're gamifying it. You're no longer trying to...

00:49:42.047 --> 00:49:44.267
There's no avoiding skill actors. Yeah, there's all of the information.

00:49:44.607 --> 00:49:48.767
You're trying to align all the stuff you know and know, like, in a tactical...

00:49:50.173 --> 00:49:53.333
Efficient way that you can execute it when you need to against a guy who's like

00:49:53.333 --> 00:49:56.073
also in a competition who wants to do everything he can. He's trying to do the

00:49:56.073 --> 00:49:57.113
exact same thing against you.

00:49:57.293 --> 00:50:02.893
So you're trying to like marshal all the data you have to make it as clean and as sharp as possible.

00:50:03.133 --> 00:50:07.593
Well, I guess, yeah. So what I'm saying is like, you don't need to necessarily learn.

00:50:07.933 --> 00:50:10.733
You want to need more data, you want to refine stuff. Yeah. I know what you mean.

00:50:10.853 --> 00:50:14.793
You might, you don't need to worry about, oh, well, I'm not learning any new moves.

00:50:14.913 --> 00:50:18.293
You don't necessarily need to learn new moves. You don't need to learn new stuff.

00:50:18.293 --> 00:50:20.953
You need to learn how to be better at the stuff you do at that point,

00:50:21.093 --> 00:50:23.193
right? I know what you mean. Like that's the general concept.

00:50:23.413 --> 00:50:25.253
Obviously, there's always more to learn.

00:50:25.493 --> 00:50:29.973
But at that point, you're starting to reach refinement instead of acquisition.

00:50:30.213 --> 00:50:33.653
Yeah. Yeah. And this is, you know, this is, oh, we've talked about this so many times.

00:50:33.753 --> 00:50:38.413
But it is a good call out for the orientation towards competing because it's

00:50:38.413 --> 00:50:41.733
one of the best teachers for you to figure out what you need to do.

00:50:41.973 --> 00:50:45.753
Because sometimes, maybe sometimes the answer is, oh, man, I need a new skill

00:50:45.753 --> 00:50:51.913
set. For example, years ago, I got leg locked by a lot of guys.

00:50:54.253 --> 00:50:58.613
And dude, that's like, hey, I need to embark upon this road and learn some skills

00:50:58.613 --> 00:51:00.513
here. Because it's being exploited.

00:51:00.853 --> 00:51:04.473
Or it's being poked out of my game. That this is a gap or whatever.

00:51:04.673 --> 00:51:07.413
So I go and I go and I do that. And I get a lot more comfortable with it.

00:51:07.513 --> 00:51:11.593
But in many situations where leg locks have been thrown against me.

00:51:11.753 --> 00:51:15.713
And I've dealt with them. No problem. go back to what I want to do,

00:51:15.833 --> 00:51:18.633
which is kind of think more to what you were talking about, which is refining the skill set.

00:51:18.873 --> 00:51:21.433
That's an imposing your game plan. It's sort of like if I get pulled out of

00:51:21.433 --> 00:51:24.693
my game plan, how do I respond to it?

00:51:24.713 --> 00:51:27.573
Or how do I even make something like that a weapon for me rather than just a

00:51:27.573 --> 00:51:28.753
target that's used against me?

00:51:29.773 --> 00:51:33.413
But like the point of what I was bringing this up is that the competition learning

00:51:33.413 --> 00:51:35.073
process can tell you these things.

00:51:35.253 --> 00:51:37.733
And in a lot of cases, what you're describing I think is the answer.

00:51:37.833 --> 00:51:41.013
Like I'd say nine times out of 10, this is like true for like any sport where

00:51:41.013 --> 00:51:45.313
it's like you want to, the overall nature of competition is impose your game

00:51:45.313 --> 00:51:48.373
on someone, force them into what you want to do and then execute it.

00:51:48.673 --> 00:51:52.093
Do it, beat them, right? And if you find yourself ranging the stuff that they're

00:51:52.093 --> 00:51:55.653
good at, that's usually a bad sign because that means you're migrating into

00:51:55.653 --> 00:51:58.753
where they want things to be. This is basic competition stuff, one-on-one.

00:51:59.233 --> 00:52:02.913
So therefore, in most cases, like you said, it's refine, impose your game,

00:52:03.073 --> 00:52:06.333
be really good at it. Be really good at it more, better, sharpen it.

00:52:06.493 --> 00:52:09.813
Make that spear as sharp as fuck. So when you thrust it out at someone,

00:52:09.913 --> 00:52:13.033
it pierces them. Like you, you make them do what you want to do.

00:52:13.053 --> 00:52:15.953
I tell all my guys, I'm like, I do three things.

00:52:16.133 --> 00:52:21.993
I don't do a whole, you know, like I don't do a whole, like everything else is just whatever.

00:52:22.213 --> 00:52:25.013
But like, I really only do like three moves.

00:52:25.913 --> 00:52:33.233
I just know how to get to those three moves. Um, and kind of on that.

00:52:34.190 --> 00:52:37.570
You were taught, I was going to get talk about this where you're talking about

00:52:37.570 --> 00:52:40.450
like the mixed classes, right? Like you have mixed skill sets.

00:52:40.850 --> 00:52:46.890
Um, the majority of my classes, I have like a very relatively very split.

00:52:47.010 --> 00:52:49.950
Like there's not a lot of middle like guys in between these two groups.

00:52:49.950 --> 00:52:54.390
I have like these, this group of blue belts that competes or likes competition.

00:52:54.390 --> 00:53:02.250
Like they're these kind of more upper level blue belts and then very new guys.

00:53:02.250 --> 00:53:05.410
I mean, there's a little bit in the middle but like we'll have like a couple

00:53:05.410 --> 00:53:08.590
it's very split between more or less brand new.

00:53:09.610 --> 00:53:13.550
And hey these guys are like legit

00:53:13.550 --> 00:53:16.510
blue belts and uh and then you know purple belts

00:53:16.510 --> 00:53:20.610
up there too but so the i've

00:53:20.610 --> 00:53:24.970
started working with this specific class structure because he was you know the

00:53:24.970 --> 00:53:30.890
question asked about how do you structure that down to one hour and um the way

00:53:30.890 --> 00:53:36.610
that i've started approaching that is by kind of forcing them to do competition practices.

00:53:37.130 --> 00:53:42.650
Um, and some guys like that, some guys don't, some guys just do it begrudgingly,

00:53:42.730 --> 00:53:43.950
but they love it at the end of it.

00:53:44.050 --> 00:53:46.990
You know, they, they suffer through it and then they're happy.

00:53:47.370 --> 00:53:50.610
Um, cause they do get better. Like all these guys get better.

00:53:50.910 --> 00:53:55.350
Um, and one thing that I've started doing,

00:53:55.670 --> 00:54:00.270
you know, we do our warmup And then I'm like, all right, I'll take whatever

00:54:00.270 --> 00:54:02.790
position we're working on and

00:54:02.790 --> 00:54:06.790
we're going to do, we're going to play just like we do it on Saturdays.

00:54:07.150 --> 00:54:11.170
Here's the game. I explained the game real quick. I don't show them solutions

00:54:11.170 --> 00:54:12.370
yet. I'm saying person on top.

00:54:12.570 --> 00:54:16.010
This is the position you're going to be in. We're going to build this position person on top.

00:54:16.270 --> 00:54:20.470
You're looking to, so we did half guard recently person on top.

00:54:20.710 --> 00:54:25.410
You're looking to pass person on bottom. I just want you to prevent the pass

00:54:25.410 --> 00:54:31.270
and if they give you their weight sweep them so like if you feel like they're off balance sweep them.

00:54:32.120 --> 00:54:35.600
All right, one, two, three, go. Everybody goes. They're going, I'm watching.

00:54:35.860 --> 00:54:39.880
And this kind of helps dictate what I'm going to show too. Sometimes they go

00:54:39.880 --> 00:54:42.980
through it and then, all right, everybody break.

00:54:43.320 --> 00:54:48.680
You know, we'll, now we're going to, I'm going to explain the game again.

00:54:48.840 --> 00:54:51.100
This time I'm going to provide some solutions.

00:54:51.600 --> 00:54:54.860
Here's what I do here. All right, let's go, go again.

00:54:55.100 --> 00:54:58.480
So I show it from top and bottom. Then they go again. All right, cool.

00:54:58.660 --> 00:55:01.520
Now I'm going to show the move. And I show them the moves from that position

00:55:01.520 --> 00:55:03.200
that I wanted to work on that day.

00:55:03.740 --> 00:55:11.360
And it gives me a little bit of background on what details I need to focus on.

00:55:11.480 --> 00:55:16.260
Because I can now see what everybody's doing and where they're not,

00:55:16.360 --> 00:55:18.520
where they aren't able to execute.

00:55:18.680 --> 00:55:21.700
Sometimes guys are hitting the move already that I'm going to show. That's fine.

00:55:21.880 --> 00:55:26.340
But there's always more details, right? Like, okay, this person doesn't understand

00:55:26.340 --> 00:55:29.320
how to apply their shoulder pressure when doing,

00:55:29.600 --> 00:55:34.940
when they're hiking up and doing a pass that way, or this person doesn't understand

00:55:34.940 --> 00:55:40.720
the concept of, uh, or they, they're, they need to refine how they're getting their underhook.

00:55:40.720 --> 00:55:45.760
And, you know, so it gives me a little bit of direction with how to,

00:55:46.000 --> 00:55:47.920
it's almost like, hey, force them to do a review.

00:55:49.560 --> 00:55:54.120
And so it gives me a little bit of direction on what to focus on when giving the move.

00:55:54.520 --> 00:55:59.760
We do, we work the moves. I always do an A and a B. So I always have the moves play off each other.

00:56:00.880 --> 00:56:04.840
So it's always like, all right, this is the first move. all right cool move

00:56:04.840 --> 00:56:12.080
two when they if they go to react this way that gives us this other move right so uh,

00:56:12.891 --> 00:56:18.711
Example, we did a far side arm bar from Neon Belly.

00:56:19.111 --> 00:56:24.191
If they post, if they change the way they post or react to that post when you

00:56:24.191 --> 00:56:26.031
underhook, now you have a Darce.

00:56:26.731 --> 00:56:34.251
So just it gave us, it started creating kind of, it helps to improve the game.

00:56:34.691 --> 00:56:37.851
Because now when they're playing the game, they have,

00:56:38.091 --> 00:56:41.071
they're not, they're actually going between moves and

00:56:41.071 --> 00:56:45.331
they're becoming more fluid versus oh

00:56:45.331 --> 00:56:48.511
this move didn't work reset right try something

00:56:48.511 --> 00:56:51.531
different now they're now they're actually looking to set things up

00:56:51.531 --> 00:56:56.071
using other things and it's um it's been pretty cool to see like that that's

00:56:56.071 --> 00:57:01.071
been working so it's kind of like hybrid eco stuff it is um i'd say it's very

00:57:01.071 --> 00:57:05.711
eco yeah i i've kind of experimented with um some of that formatting too which

00:57:05.711 --> 00:57:08.771
i think is great man i've done that too sometimes where I'll be like, all right,

00:57:08.991 --> 00:57:13.451
I'll sequence a class on like one thing and I'll have them do it first with

00:57:13.451 --> 00:57:14.611
like pretty much no data.

00:57:15.271 --> 00:57:18.111
Like you said, kind of see where they're at. Then introduce one thing.

00:57:18.791 --> 00:57:22.031
Hey, do this. And then pay attention to see if they were able to make that improvement.

00:57:23.231 --> 00:57:26.411
And I also like a lot of times will ask them for feedback. Like anyone care

00:57:26.411 --> 00:57:31.171
to like talk about how that went or what was good slash what was not good.

00:57:31.571 --> 00:57:33.911
And then maybe even go and have them do it a third time. Like you said,

00:57:34.031 --> 00:57:36.911
and kind of in the gaps, like you can point them in the direction.

00:57:37.611 --> 00:57:42.131
Get him to execute whatever that objective is a little bit better and then let him keep doing it.

00:57:42.211 --> 00:57:48.471
Cause like you, you know this, like we've, we've done so many structured,

00:57:48.471 --> 00:57:54.411
um, like situational training sessions where like, we'll do the same positions

00:57:54.411 --> 00:57:56.131
over and over and over and over and over again.

00:57:56.191 --> 00:57:58.671
Cause like, again, you don't get good at doing something. You don't get good

00:57:58.671 --> 00:58:00.051
at something just doing it one time.

00:58:01.008 --> 00:58:06.048
It's not enough. You got to do it a lot of times. And with different people.

00:58:07.708 --> 00:58:13.608
So giving them that a chance to hit it a second or a third time with more intel,

00:58:14.048 --> 00:58:21.748
with more education, sometimes simplifying things, it gives them that opportunity to run it again.

00:58:22.088 --> 00:58:25.448
Maybe they do it a little bit better. When I think the live feedback too,

00:58:25.768 --> 00:58:30.708
like the feedback of having a live resisting opponent,

00:58:31.588 --> 00:58:34.688
that it helps a lot because it makes

00:58:34.688 --> 00:58:38.408
it also helps them ask better questions because like

00:58:38.408 --> 00:58:42.628
well i tried to do this thing and it didn't work i'm like okay show me what

00:58:42.628 --> 00:58:47.848
was happening oh well you know you weren't you weren't getting this right or

00:58:47.848 --> 00:58:52.948
you know you weren't actually applying this grip or you know there's it gives

00:58:52.948 --> 00:58:58.008
you like you were talking about earlier hey like you did know the answers.

00:58:59.048 --> 00:59:01.788
But you just were they were providing a

00:59:01.788 --> 00:59:04.788
new question right like they were asking you went

00:59:04.788 --> 00:59:08.128
to answer the question that they were providing you and now

00:59:08.128 --> 00:59:11.188
they're giving you a new problem to solve that's right yeah they

00:59:11.188 --> 00:59:13.848
sort of changed it up on you didn't they like you started doing the

00:59:13.848 --> 00:59:16.688
right thing maybe at the wrong time they were like that's and

00:59:16.688 --> 00:59:19.388
that goes back to what I said it's like the white belt or blue belt will ask

00:59:19.388 --> 00:59:22.608
me a question about playing it's a purple belt and I'll be like hey man this

00:59:22.608 --> 00:59:25.868
purple it's just they're making you work dude they're making you think more

00:59:25.868 --> 00:59:28.768
so they're paying attention like when you do something right they'll find the

00:59:28.768 --> 00:59:31.568
next thing you do wrong and they'll be like alright cool you did that well and

00:59:31.568 --> 00:59:35.788
you don't always get this feedback immediately in the moment and if you ask like ask them questions,

00:59:36.288 --> 00:59:40.148
is what I might tell these guys too just ask that person who beat you at a thing

00:59:40.148 --> 00:59:42.948
what did you do when I did that would you mind telling me and like sometimes

00:59:42.948 --> 00:59:45.528
you don't have time to do it because this stuff happens in the moment like in

00:59:45.528 --> 00:59:48.728
like the sparring where like you know your five minute round ends and you got

00:59:48.728 --> 00:59:51.428
30 seconds to like catch your breath get a drink of water and go find the next

00:59:51.428 --> 00:59:54.848
person so you don't have always that opportunity to do that.

00:59:55.580 --> 00:59:57.660
Um, or maybe the purple doesn't always know. Maybe they're like,

00:59:57.760 --> 01:00:01.320
I don't know. I just, I just was doing it. I just did juju. I was just doing jujitsu.

01:00:01.560 --> 01:00:04.840
You know what I mean? But like, um, so that's why the question will come around,

01:00:04.880 --> 01:00:10.400
like when they have a minute to think, but you, you, um, you said it well,

01:00:10.760 --> 01:00:14.020
which is like the, it's back to what we were saying earlier.

01:00:14.160 --> 01:00:17.000
It's like people will pick up, they'll pick it up quick. And then like you said,

01:00:17.060 --> 01:00:18.840
the next challenge will present itself.

01:00:19.340 --> 01:00:21.620
Yeah. And that's kind of, I think how our minds are wired. Everyone's sort of

01:00:21.620 --> 01:00:24.860
like always, it's definitely how my mind's wired for sure, which is like,

01:00:24.860 --> 01:00:25.980
or what's the next thing?

01:00:26.280 --> 01:00:28.280
All right. Figured that out. All right. What's the next thing?

01:00:28.360 --> 01:00:29.560
Oh, there's another thing I need to do better.

01:00:29.760 --> 01:00:34.640
You know, like it's, it's, it's constantly forcing you to that next like objective,

01:00:34.640 --> 01:00:37.000
which is cool. I think you just got to embrace that.

01:00:38.420 --> 01:00:43.640
When, when, when I'll hop in with guys for like the, at the end,

01:00:43.780 --> 01:00:47.220
I do more of like the king of the hill, like all everybody's in.

01:00:47.300 --> 01:00:51.860
So I'll hop in there and, and they're like, oh, you know, people get a little

01:00:51.860 --> 01:00:54.500
bummed out cause you know, the white belt might,

01:00:54.860 --> 01:00:57.940
get bummed out that it got me i'm like no dude like you made

01:00:57.940 --> 01:01:00.820
me do not the move like you forced

01:01:00.820 --> 01:01:04.020
me to do something different yeah like

01:01:04.020 --> 01:01:06.840
you were doing the move correctly so i

01:01:06.840 --> 01:01:09.440
had to pull out something different i had

01:01:09.440 --> 01:01:12.340
to like reach into my grab bag and pull out a new trick right like

01:01:12.340 --> 01:01:15.280
that's you forced me to play a different game

01:01:15.280 --> 01:01:18.080
you did something good i just have a

01:01:18.080 --> 01:01:21.160
grander knowledge because i've been doing this for so long the parameters for

01:01:21.160 --> 01:01:24.140
success are not always like perfectly aligned yeah you know

01:01:24.140 --> 01:01:27.060
like no they're they're really not and i think that's important to call it too

01:01:27.060 --> 01:01:31.760
like white belts and uh and blue belts if they're thinking about um these scenarios

01:01:31.760 --> 01:01:36.040
against people who have like maybe eight nine ten plus years of experience in

01:01:36.040 --> 01:01:42.020
them or less but like more someone who's like just maybe knows more um and get

01:01:42.020 --> 01:01:43.500
everyone's driven everyone wants to.

01:01:43.980 --> 01:01:48.800
Achieve that objective like you know hitting getting the point passing the position

01:01:48.800 --> 01:01:52.620
advancing to this or to that or hitting the sub, which is a good goal to have for sure.

01:01:53.040 --> 01:01:55.660
But sometimes you got to temper that expectation, which it could be like,

01:01:55.780 --> 01:01:58.940
Hey, I'm going to go against this badass dude for six minutes.

01:01:59.100 --> 01:02:02.320
And, um, I tell you what, it'd be really great if I didn't get submitted this

01:02:02.320 --> 01:02:05.300
time. Cause the last like six months in a row, dude submits me at least twice

01:02:05.300 --> 01:02:07.060
around. Like, so maybe that's the victory.

01:02:07.540 --> 01:02:10.500
Maybe it isn't like, Oh, I took his back and submitted. I'm like, not yet, man.

01:02:10.840 --> 01:02:13.760
That's a good goal, high level to have. But like at this moment.

01:02:14.400 --> 01:02:17.940
Um, if this person's going against if they're

01:02:17.940 --> 01:02:20.820
trying to beat you because maybe they're not maybe they're fucking around you know

01:02:20.820 --> 01:02:23.440
like sometimes people fuck around i fuck around sometimes i'm like

01:02:23.440 --> 01:02:26.980
i'm not trying to submit this guy i'm just moving around him um i

01:02:26.980 --> 01:02:30.120
always tell them that they forced me to do wrestling shit it means that they

01:02:30.120 --> 01:02:33.520
were doing it right yeah that's a good indicator right you go to them and say

01:02:33.520 --> 01:02:37.860
dude like i wanted to submit you five times only submitted you once fuck dude

01:02:37.860 --> 01:02:43.680
good job yeah you know you eluded me um or here's one where like if you're going

01:02:43.680 --> 01:02:45.140
against like someone is pretty physically strong,

01:02:45.240 --> 01:02:47.780
like just a physically capable and skilled practitioner,

01:02:47.980 --> 01:02:51.080
like, did you make them work hard? Did they have to muscle something?

01:02:52.115 --> 01:02:54.495
Yeah, do they have to binge press you off? Yeah, yeah, like,

01:02:54.575 --> 01:02:58.435
I mean, I've, maybe as I've gotten older, this is perhaps something,

01:02:58.655 --> 01:03:02.375
although shout out to Asim for keeping me youthful and spry and strong.

01:03:03.695 --> 01:03:11.975
I think for my benefit, I've changed the way I train jujitsu.

01:03:12.235 --> 01:03:15.015
And this is like, this isn't a Asim thing where it's like, he like wants.

01:03:16.615 --> 01:03:20.355
If I'm butchering this, Asim, you can come on and yell about how I got this

01:03:20.355 --> 01:03:23.555
wrong. Yeah, drop us zero, drop just Scott though.

01:03:23.795 --> 01:03:27.535
Drop Scott zero stars. Drop the whole podcast five stars. Let's Scott zero stars

01:03:27.535 --> 01:03:29.795
in the comments. I accept, I accept this.

01:03:30.415 --> 01:03:31.295
Which is like, he's like, you

01:03:31.295 --> 01:03:34.795
want like your skill and physical attribute acquisition to be off the mat.

01:03:35.135 --> 01:03:37.995
And then on the mat, it should be about like, it should be like skills on the

01:03:37.995 --> 01:03:40.535
mat and like strength and other attributes off the mat.

01:03:40.795 --> 01:03:43.975
Not that you don't merge the two together, but my point being here is like-

01:03:43.975 --> 01:03:46.035
Yeah, you're not working cardio and strength on the mat. Yeah,

01:03:46.155 --> 01:03:47.115
like I'm trying to be skills.

01:03:47.315 --> 01:03:50.275
You're trying to do things the right way at the right time with like fluidity and

01:03:50.275 --> 01:03:53.975
execution and like in precision and accuracy um

01:03:53.975 --> 01:03:56.675
which is i've tried to like in other words like i try to

01:03:56.675 --> 01:03:59.555
use like less athleticism unless i'm in this in the game of

01:03:59.555 --> 01:04:03.555
it like if i'm competing that you put it all together or like sometimes you'll

01:04:03.555 --> 01:04:06.415
have those competition training sessions where like you do you do you have to

01:04:06.415 --> 01:04:09.415
practice putting it all together too don't get me wrong um but the majority

01:04:09.415 --> 01:04:12.395
of your training should be like let's do this stuff the right way and really

01:04:12.395 --> 01:04:16.375
understand it um so like me and khaledun train all the time right and khaledun's

01:04:16.375 --> 01:04:18.555
getting really strong and really good because he's constantly working.

01:04:19.255 --> 01:04:20.955
And I'll tell him, like, there's a lot of times where I'm like,

01:04:21.035 --> 01:04:23.755
man, like, I'm only going to get some of these moves on you if I,

01:04:23.835 --> 01:04:24.995
like, fucking go beast mode.

01:04:25.255 --> 01:04:29.755
And, like, I don't always want to go beast mode. Like, I, sometimes I do.

01:04:30.135 --> 01:04:33.755
Sometimes, and it works, but, like, a lot of it is like, yo,

01:04:33.815 --> 01:04:35.335
man, I'm trying to do this the right way and, like, you're just,

01:04:35.395 --> 01:04:37.135
you're getting good. I can't, I can't.

01:04:37.990 --> 01:04:41.510
You're making me not do this the right way, which then forces me to rely on

01:04:41.510 --> 01:04:44.370
certain physical attributes, which, like, that's credit to you, dude.

01:04:44.470 --> 01:04:47.610
It may not feel like an immediate win to you, but, like, you're making me do things differently.

01:04:47.770 --> 01:04:49.810
So that's a credit to him. It's like going with Noah and, like,

01:04:49.890 --> 01:04:51.310
having to scramble like crazy.

01:04:51.450 --> 01:04:56.090
Yeah, for real. And go into, like, straight-up battle mode because he's— Because

01:04:56.090 --> 01:04:58.370
he's a beast, and he knows how to move.

01:04:58.450 --> 01:05:00.870
And, like, by the way, like, if he can draw you into that, that's,

01:05:00.930 --> 01:05:03.870
like, that's one of those— that kind of goes back to what you were saying,

01:05:03.910 --> 01:05:04.750
like, competitive style.

01:05:04.870 --> 01:05:07.530
I think it was, like, maybe that's— he's pulling you into a world that, like, he thrives in.

01:05:07.990 --> 01:05:11.270
And, like, yeah, we want to be good in that world, too. And we are good in that world, too.

01:05:11.570 --> 01:05:16.470
But, like, dude, like, if he's doing that, that's, like, an initiative of the

01:05:16.470 --> 01:05:20.350
match, the match management that, like, he should consider, like,

01:05:20.390 --> 01:05:22.330
a world where he thrives.

01:05:22.390 --> 01:05:24.770
And so if he's pulling people into that, like, scramble orientation,

01:05:25.050 --> 01:05:26.890
like, yo, man, like, that's where you need to be, like, winning.

01:05:27.110 --> 01:05:28.270
Because this is your wheelhouse.

01:05:28.510 --> 01:05:30.410
The rest of us want to slow you down. Yeah.

01:05:30.750 --> 01:05:33.450
And force you into, like, sticky, complicated jiu-jitsu scenarios,

01:05:33.630 --> 01:05:34.790
which he's getting better at those, too.

01:05:35.330 --> 01:05:37.190
That's a skill. That's a jiu-jitsu skill. Yeah.

01:05:37.770 --> 01:05:41.650
Attribution thing too but it's a good example dude um because

01:05:41.650 --> 01:05:44.310
yeah like i mean like i mean i don't get me wrong i love a

01:05:44.310 --> 01:05:46.970
good scramble it's fun um but scrambles a lot

01:05:46.970 --> 01:05:50.210
of times like scrambles require like grit and determination

01:05:50.210 --> 01:05:53.850
to like to keep moving until you can get the

01:05:53.850 --> 01:05:57.470
point of the scramble actually but this was one of the themes of our curriculum it's

01:05:57.470 --> 01:06:00.550
a good callback it was this was on our curriculum like

01:06:00.550 --> 01:06:03.470
managing the scramble managing transitions which is i think

01:06:03.470 --> 01:06:06.690
the objective of a transition is to move as much or

01:06:06.690 --> 01:06:09.610
ideally as little as possible to get to

01:06:09.610 --> 01:06:12.250
the point where you can control like the point of being at a scramble is to

01:06:12.250 --> 01:06:14.930
be able to stop the scramble and i think a lot of people

01:06:14.930 --> 01:06:17.790
too miss the yeah you have to be able to yeah you

01:06:17.790 --> 01:06:20.650
have to it's otherwise it's gonna be like to the tasmanian devil spinning around

01:06:20.650 --> 01:06:23.750
for like you know creating chaos that you can manage

01:06:23.750 --> 01:06:26.650
managing control it's whoever has the best

01:06:26.650 --> 01:06:29.650
control of the chaos will win the scramble every single time because

01:06:29.650 --> 01:06:32.530
you it's and there's a reason that wrestlers do so

01:06:32.530 --> 01:06:37.030
well in it because they're really good at finding those

01:06:37.030 --> 01:06:43.490
footholds within that chaos because they're so used to speed doing it right

01:06:43.490 --> 01:06:50.190
yeah 100 so and i really need to find a way to teach it because i love doing

01:06:50.190 --> 01:06:53.830
it but it's so hard to the closest exist.

01:06:54.861 --> 01:06:58.241
One of the closest things is just putting people in like dog fight or something

01:06:58.241 --> 01:07:02.101
because it, it forces, there's a little bit of a forced scramble that occurs

01:07:02.101 --> 01:07:03.181
when you put people there.

01:07:03.421 --> 01:07:07.721
Like people will just inherently create one, but, but yeah, I mean,

01:07:07.801 --> 01:07:10.921
it's, it's hard to teach and finding a way to teach.

01:07:11.061 --> 01:07:13.881
That's pretty cool. I, I, well, I have, we want to hear, we can,

01:07:13.881 --> 01:07:16.641
we can talk about that offline because I've, I, we've, we've done that.

01:07:16.801 --> 01:07:18.521
We do, and we, by the way, we do that in our Saturday trainings,

01:07:18.601 --> 01:07:22.921
man. We do that, we do that in our, but dude, I'll, I'll tell you, man, Like, um,

01:07:23.841 --> 01:07:29.341
I think people in jujitsu will go above and beyond to avoid wrestling practices,

01:07:29.341 --> 01:07:34.021
like really jujitsu style dudes. Like, cause it's just, cause it's tough.

01:07:34.201 --> 01:07:36.341
It's hard because, and this is, I guess, my way of saying, like,

01:07:36.361 --> 01:07:40.361
I think the best way to do that is actually, you just have to go wrestle because

01:07:40.361 --> 01:07:44.741
basically in, in my experience, like, and this is perhaps just my, um.

01:07:45.901 --> 01:07:47.821
Background, I guess, showing, which is that like, dude, like for me,

01:07:47.861 --> 01:07:49.901
like a wrestling practice is just constant scrambles.

01:07:50.341 --> 01:07:52.721
So it's sort of just like a stress inoculation like oh you want to get good

01:07:52.721 --> 01:07:55.401
at scrambling just go do a class where all you do is scramble and when you're

01:07:55.401 --> 01:07:56.821
not that good at wrestling when you start out,

01:07:57.561 --> 01:08:01.241
you're going to get beat a ton so like sometimes like the scramble to survive

01:08:01.641 --> 01:08:04.861
you're already you're already practicing the skill but it doesn't feel like

01:08:04.861 --> 01:08:07.481
it sort of goes back to being a white belt which is another reason why I think

01:08:07.481 --> 01:08:09.881
most jutsu guys especially black belts avoid it because they don't want to be

01:08:09.881 --> 01:08:11.561
white belts anymore they like winning,

01:08:12.621 --> 01:08:17.981
and wrestling is hard fucking work it's hard work so it's like brutal on the

01:08:17.981 --> 01:08:21.181
body it's brutal on your cardio It's brutal on everything.

01:08:21.901 --> 01:08:25.241
And if you're not willing to embrace that, you're just kind of avoiding the scramble skill.

01:08:25.741 --> 01:08:29.121
But it's the best simple answer.

01:08:29.481 --> 01:08:33.181
Simple does not mean easy. It's the best simple answer for honing that skill, in my opinion.

01:08:33.361 --> 01:08:36.041
Go put yourself in a wrestling practice against dudes who are going to fucking

01:08:36.041 --> 01:08:38.421
outscramble you. And just keep moving.

01:08:38.941 --> 01:08:41.681
Because at the end, that's pretty much like, if you don't know what to do in

01:08:41.681 --> 01:08:42.701
a scramble, just keep moving.

01:08:43.561 --> 01:08:45.961
You just can't acquiesce to a bad position.

01:08:46.941 --> 01:08:49.621
I usually put it this way. It's sort of like, you just have to know when someone,

01:08:49.741 --> 01:08:53.681
you got to get beat. You can't give up because someone like someone beating

01:08:53.681 --> 01:08:54.701
you is, that's one thing.

01:08:55.321 --> 01:08:58.061
Giving up is another thing. You know what I mean? Like be like,

01:08:58.121 --> 01:09:00.961
I've scrambled enough now. I'm just going to go to my back. Bang. You lost a scramble.

01:09:02.261 --> 01:09:04.041
Well, if you go to your back, like you better have something.

01:09:04.161 --> 01:09:07.121
You can say like losing to a wrestler and a scramble, but like rolling through

01:09:07.121 --> 01:09:08.521
grabbing his leg. That's part of the scramble.

01:09:08.681 --> 01:09:11.761
That's changing it into like, I call that like taking the game and like turning

01:09:11.761 --> 01:09:14.481
the jujitsu again, which is fine. That's a skill.

01:09:15.041 --> 01:09:16.821
Scramble, scramble, scramble. The rest of the scrambles, scramble,

01:09:16.961 --> 01:09:18.281
scramble. Well, bang, now we're back in jujitsu.

01:09:18.481 --> 01:09:21.521
I would count that as a scramble. But if you did that and you didn't,

01:09:21.521 --> 01:09:25.461
if you didn't hit your back and then turn it into something offensive for you,

01:09:25.721 --> 01:09:27.101
you lost the scramble. Oh, yeah.

01:09:27.281 --> 01:09:30.921
If you let that happen, you definitely lost it. If they beat you, that's one thing.

01:09:31.041 --> 01:09:35.081
Like if like that dude just launched onto your back, caught your neck, cool, credit to them.

01:09:35.201 --> 01:09:38.421
They just beat you in the scramble. No big deal. That's much better than,

01:09:38.421 --> 01:09:42.361
um, don't get yourself. Yeah. Don't beat yourself. Let them earn it.

01:09:43.320 --> 01:09:46.000
You know, make them earn it, make them earn it. Yeah. Good call.

01:09:47.100 --> 01:09:50.120
Make them earn it. Yeah. I mean, for sure.

01:09:51.940 --> 01:09:54.840
There's. Want me to take a look at this question? See if there's anything we left.

01:09:55.180 --> 01:10:01.120
Yeah. There's a lot of question, man, which by the way, forcing jujitsu guys,

01:10:01.340 --> 01:10:06.460
tricking, tricking jujitsu guys, tricking jujitsu guys into doing wrestling practices is great.

01:10:06.700 --> 01:10:09.160
It's funny. Watch their face. We're doing what? You're like,

01:10:09.220 --> 01:10:12.120
wait, is this just a whole wrestling practice? I have a lot of guys that are

01:10:12.120 --> 01:10:14.180
not wrestling averse, so it kind of helps.

01:10:14.500 --> 01:10:18.420
But kind of a thing on that.

01:10:19.100 --> 01:10:24.120
On like wrestling aversion in jiu-jitsu, there's a lot of guys that are like,

01:10:24.240 --> 01:10:30.460
oh, I want to get better on my feet, but then like won't do it, just won't practice it.

01:10:30.540 --> 01:10:33.460
They're like, well, I'd rather just do this. I'm like, okay, that's fine.

01:10:33.700 --> 01:10:37.040
Then just work on that. But don't tell me you want to be good at wrestling. Yeah.

01:10:37.260 --> 01:10:40.340
And then not want to actually do the stuff. Got to do the work.

01:10:40.340 --> 01:10:43.640
And that's like the thing that I admire about wrestling is it's just straight

01:10:43.640 --> 01:10:48.300
up like the wrestler attitude towards like hard work and suffering is so impressive.

01:10:48.680 --> 01:10:51.840
Yeah, it's just good. Like jiu-jitsu has that, but like as you get good at jiu-jitsu,

01:10:51.980 --> 01:10:55.000
like I mean wrestling has this too. It's like as you get better at this stuff,

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like you get more efficient.

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It doesn't feel like it's as hard of work, but as the guys you go against get

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better and then kind of like the listener questions here where it's like,

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all right, like if in a wrestling room where like maybe I'm a blue-pur-butt

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at best at wrestling, there are going to be brown and black belts who I'm like

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now trying to compare myself to.

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Then I'm like, dude, I want to, I can hang with the white, blue,

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maybe other purple belt, like analogous wrestlers, but if I wanna push my skill

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up to the next level, I gotta go against these better dudes who are just gonna make me fucking work.

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And that's just the point. Wrestling's just like embracing just suffering,

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because you're gonna suffer.

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Someone better than you is going to make just the, or you just give up and you're

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like, well, this dude's just better than me. Like, but that's,

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that's not the point of what we do.

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It's, it's constantly have to like try to evolve that next level.

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And that's what it's wrestling is. There's no shortcut around just getting,

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getting blasted. Your heart rate's gonna be through the roof.

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I love that there's, and it's almost sometimes the opposite.

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Cause the better guy can be lazy in jujitsu a lot of the time in wrestling.

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And the other guy can still be working hard and not do better than the other guy.

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In wrestling, there's always the way to outwork the guy better than you.

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In like regard, like if you just go in, you just keep working,

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you can eventually win that.

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Like not me, you're not gonna win every time, but hard work will,

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can always find a way to win in wrestling because sometimes you just keep on

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people, dude, and you get it.

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It doesn't always work with jujitsu because there is a slight difference,

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but in some of the engagements.

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No, I know what you mean, man. I mean, you're right.

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You're definitely on to something there. And dude, like if you watch some of

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the best wrestlers out there, like they have a high work output.

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The head movement, the hand fighting, like they're just like.

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Just grit, dude. It's definitely, that's why it's such a cool sport, man. And like I.

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I mean, you see this in all sports and in all combat sports for sure,

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but I see it like all the time.

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I love watching wrestling matches now. I almost enjoy watching it more than

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watching jiu-jitsu matches personally.

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It's kind of like whatever, just entertaining. Maybe I've watched so many jiu-jitsu

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matches. I still do, of course.

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Well, there's a rule set thing that makes it more entertaining too.

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But what I was going to say was like the number of times I've watched like dudes

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in like high-level international freestyle wrestling matches.

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World Olympic trials style stuff or Olympics and stuff, like matches

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of that caliber where like one dude will be up

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on the scorecard for the first round or

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and you know most the second round but then like the dude who just and that's

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that guy fades and then last 40

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seconds dude who just didn't quit kept hammer

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until the end starts racking up points wins last minute happens all

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the time and it's fucking awesome to watch there's like

01:13:42.300 --> 01:13:45.160
life lessons in that oh yeah that's why wrestling rules man

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yeah it's it's an amazing sport look

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at how we we ended up we started on jiu-jitsu curriculum just go

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wrestle just gushing on go wrestle you guys uh

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yeah dude it's i mean heck that's well

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yeah uh that's that's it

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wins a lot of jiu-jitsu too it does i mean

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it's super applicable uh so yeah uh everything

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else cool go wrestle um it would

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was there anything else we need to touch on for this question i think we hit

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it we we did a we did a lot oh yeah

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um hell yeah well i mean yeah guys that's most

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of our take let us know actually this is um let us know what you guys find you

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learn best like how you are learning best in your classes like when you guys

01:14:30.780 --> 01:14:34.520
are doing jiu-jitsu drop us some comments if you're in the discord let us know

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in there too like just when you're going to when you're when you're learning, when you're training,

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how are you, what do you find helps you.

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Retain what you're learning or helps you

01:14:49.670 --> 01:14:52.350
get to the move quicker like are you

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learning better when you're doing your when you're doing kind of

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the cla eco-based classes are you do you learn better from seeing the move do

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you learn better from feeling the move like because some people learn better

01:15:04.410 --> 01:15:08.390
just by having the move done to them like they can feel the pressure points

01:15:08.390 --> 01:15:13.490
some people are more tactile like that um some people like to just have it explained

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to them and they're able to pick it up.

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Some people can just watch, I guess that's the same thing, but some people can just watch and learn.

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So, um, you know, let us, let us know in the comments below or hit us up on

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01:15:30.970 --> 01:15:33.830
you do like from the curriculums you've been experiencing.

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Uh, I mean, this is all about knowledge share. This is just our experience in

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jujitsu that we're sharing with you guys here. Um, and so with that,

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