(ep 20) Micro-goals, Burnout and Resourcefulness w/ The Strong AF Club

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Welcome to Fighters Drinking Coffee. We have our good friends Nate Craig and

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Asim Faez from the Strong AF Podcast with us.

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We enjoyed doing the crossover episode so much, and it seems like you guys did

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as well on the listener's side.

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So guys, welcome back on the show. Thanks for having us. Thanks for having us, man.

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Excited to be here. so uh i think we have

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some questions that came across both of

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our areas of question collection discords

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in our realms from people yeah like i

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think we collected a few different questions around the around the

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world i don't know from people some might be from

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around the world definitely yeah technically around the

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world we are technically a globally distributed podcast shout

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out to berlin in the in london um and

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like i think slovenia or something oh dude it's fucking all those guys got

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some viewers over there as well some random random it's

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like yeah we got a guy we got

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a guy in new zealand we got a guy

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we got a guy in europe all right hey shout

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out to him yeah shout out to him um yeah so

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i mean i'm happy to start with whoever's questions

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i mean if we want to just knock out one real quick from our

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discord here uh shout out to in sung for dropping some questions to us um but

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so micro goals right yes micro goals micro goals micro goals so we have um micro

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goals both in bjj and in the weight room.

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Being a bad boy sorry guys

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we're just so happy to be here continue my

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i'm sorry viewers that's my bad uh but so i grow

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both my grow goals my grow goals both

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in bjj and in the weight room and like how does that

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differ right they're very different uh atmospheres like

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and different approaches there's there's

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a lot less you have things that you can quantify

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in on in the weight room that

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you don't really have like numbers associated with bjj

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the same way you do with lifting so like how you

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approach these things a little bit different so like let's start

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on y'all's end yeah i mean i think just a base level

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differential between the two is in the weight room you're going

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for attribute acquisition whereas on the

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mats you're doing knowledge so that technical acquisition timeline

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i think is just way different and how long

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someone spends because i'm mad to you guys and you guys can speak

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to this i'm assuming is you're not really developing attributes

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on the mats right for some people you might have to i know what you mean yeah but

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i think like it's it's a technical knowledge whereas in

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the weight room it's attribute the technical knowledge is to

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a point to keep you safe and keep you within the realm of that

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lift so i think uh how you coach and how

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you develop an athlete in the weight room is a different timeline.

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For sure yeah i mean definitely um can

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you repeat the original question yeah so the question is

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it was more of a broad topic how

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do you set micro goals um i mean specifically to

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avoid bjj a burnout and bjj but then

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also just he kind of framed it

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within it's harder to quantify given the

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unpredictable training partners and sessions versus the

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more controlled and more control and structure that

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you have when lifting right so um you

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know so like those two different things how

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they play with each other we kind of framed it right there um well i think kind

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of with micro goals and that's enough for me to kind of go off of i think when

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it comes to you know i took one jiu-jitsu class because i told you boys that

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i was going to loved it had a lot of fun um but photographic proof of it too

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it's true It's true. I got a video, actually. Yeah.

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We'll release that. Maybe we'll add that as a thumbnail. Hey,

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yo. But for, yeah, the gym side of things, I think Asim and I have talked about

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it multiple times on our podcast.

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Those micro goals are really, they help keep things fresh. Little bursts of

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inspiration. And it can vary.

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Whether it's adding more weight onto the barbell.

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If it's pausing a rep with something. There's so many different variations of

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applying those micro goals.

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But I think it really varies person to person. And it's not always about putting

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more weight on the bargain. Yeah, I think that question can kind of be dissected into two sections.

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One is like the actual micro goals and what does that mean and how to actually

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leverage that. The other side is how do you avoid burnout?

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Because they do have crossover, but they are individual. And I would say like

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the micro goals, just like you said, it helps bring motivation because –.

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There's something that we were talking about i was talking with another uh gym owner as

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well recently i think we talked on one of our last podcasts which is

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laziness versus uh lack of motivation i think.

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A lot of times people mistaken laziness for lack of.

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Motivation and you can use micro goals small little.

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Goal posts along the track to keep people engaged

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and on in the game it's like a video game right you have those side quests that

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keep you going on a long campaign i think that'll help

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a lot um and that's something you can leverage on both sides on and

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off the mat um and in the weight room to keep people

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engaged and going forward because if you have if you haven't focused on

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a macro um it's gonna be tough and at least in

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the weight room there's numbers it's definitive did i add five pounds i

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had 10 pounds did i lift more did i can i do this lift now whereas on

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the mats everyone theoretically is moving at a relative similar

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pace right um so it's sometimes hard

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to really feel like you're getting better if i also

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think this is what cross-training i think is beneficial because if you're

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always training against the same people all the time you're you're going up

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at the scene exactly yeah yeah but the burnout

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part is interesting too because my initial

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reaction to that was like all right well there's two versions of burnout there's

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like physical burnout but i get that this is a little more

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on the psychological side yeah right that's i think it's would you

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say the psychological happens way more often than the physical

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because i rarely see the actual true physical i think people mentally

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actually think they're burning out but it's all in the mind for sure it

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uh yeah definitely man especially if you're if you're

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keeping like the same schedule over and over and like when

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you're really just grinding it out and you

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you can very easily get in your head and like

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just get worn down by just the constant repetition right like you get oh you

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really get bored almost 100 yeah bored and exhausted think about like i think.

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About like a bodybuilder like imagine you wanted to be an ib jjf pro or like

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mr olympia or something like that that's your macro goal,

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If that's your macro, do you know how long that's going to take?

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It takes a ton of work, years and years and years and years and years.

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And imagine never having a win that whole time.

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You need to sprinkle in little micro balls. Hey, my biceps half an inch bigger than it was.

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There's a little micro goal that keeps you kind of going sort of

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thing i'm curious for you guys what would be those micro

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goals for like a jujitsu athlete also i'm curious

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too from you guys as coaches on the mats do you guys

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notice a difference in the athlete after you give

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them that magical piece of tape and how their resolve is

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on the mats soon after because if that is the indicator like that little marker

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that little badge of achievement is what helps them get motivated they could

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probably find other ways to give themselves own theoretical versions of a tape

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does that make sense it makes a lot of sense i think if you've given them something

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to work if they if you have.

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Expressly spoken with this person and given them something to work

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towards like and they see

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themselves accomplishing it and then they receive that that thing

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gets so much weight to it too because they're like oh shit

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like i figured out the thing i

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was asked to figure it out i learned like yeah like when

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it's actually created from a goal sometimes it is from time and

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like there might not have been a established goal or

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they've been doing they've been creating it on their own um i

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mean yeah like it does help people it gives them

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a marker of their progress and people like that

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right like people when they have a when they

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have that marker of progress and they know

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those milestones it it helps

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keep them motivated right yeah it kind of

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is a unspoken micro goal like

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it it keeps you from burning out if you

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know that there's somewhere you're moving

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along the path versus just sitting and spinning in circles i

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think this is a also like a coach and athlete issue it's

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not just the athlete because like the recognition you guys give to.

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The athlete has so much weight so just being able to like

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recognize like hey yeah you are making better oh the

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way you just did this thing right like for us on the lifting side um

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or physique side it's like when we tell them we measure

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out their body fat or their weight or they do a movement

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it's like dude the way you just did that so much better you just handle

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all this workload and they're dead at the end of the workout and then

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you say hey but let's look at what you did two weeks ago you wouldn't have even survived

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this workout two weeks ago you've clearly gotten better that kind

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of feedback i think helps people be like oh perspective i guess

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it really just comes down to just reframing the perspective now that we're

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saying it out loud well to to address your question i

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definitely notice uh before then there's

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like there's the during and then the after of promotions

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and stripes the attendance goes up

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a little bit more the excitement is is

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there um it's a morale boost shout

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out to the honor of war it's a morale boost for

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the troops to say all right sweet like we got of thing and

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it's it's like a bit of a goal you know it's you make i don't know if it's i

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mean that might not even be like micro even though a stripe you know you can

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call what you want yeah um but it is a goal and so i think it gets i see people

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come in and they are like they're lifted by it's pretty it's cool to see you

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do it long enough like you can um.

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I don't want to say I overlook it or I, you know, it's, it's,

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I mean, I've been doing it for 20 years, like lots of stripes,

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but it's, it's cool to see, like people get fired up about it, man.

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Well, and not, not just the people that are, they got promoted either.

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It's pretty cool to see like the other people get fired up afterwards.

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Like not just the guys who got stripes and belts because everyone else like

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seeing, I want that. And they're like, I want to be, I want to get that belt.

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I want to, I want to be that guy. And then they try to do whatever those guys are doing.

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Right. So, I kind of touched on another topic that came through, also from InSung.

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I'm going to actually get kind of, we got micro with it. I'm going to get nano with it.

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Oh, man. Boys, we're talking about, like, you know, getting that magic.

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Is nano, like, big? Huh? Man, nano's even smaller.

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Yeah, we're talking about nanobots, viewers. So, we talked about that magic

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piece of tape, right? Uh-huh.

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So, that would be kind of, I would consider, like, a micro goal.

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You know what I mean? What about in between?

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Getting those pieces of tape, what, as a jiu-jitsu athlete, can you consider,

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or what can your students think of as micro goals?

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Because their opponents are constantly changing. This was where my mind initially

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went with the micro goal question, which was like, and if it's the end song,

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I think it is, and I'm 99.9% sure it is, he and I train together.

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And like we have micro goals within the martial art that we work on.

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Half guard, for example.

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Because, and I think this is part of the heart of the question because there's

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so many things you can do in jiu-jitsu. There's so much. It's overwhelming.

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When you're a white belt.

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Kind of at the bottom of the totem pole even i mean you are getting

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better but like you're you're probably constantly feel like

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you're behind everyone else even if

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you are rapidly gaining on people um it

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helps to have like small things to say hey look you're getting

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better at everything just being i always tell guys just be

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on the mat just stay with it which kind of

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gets to what we were talking about earlier where it does get monotonous like mike

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said like you have a pardon me like a program uh a

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routine or whatever and like everyone's busy everyone's got jobs who have families and

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stuff like that and um your window for

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training might be really small therefore like you

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you map out but yet like people want to be on the mat all the time so

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like hey i can do this 55 minutes monday through friday or whatever it may be

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so when in at the bare minimum this is like it's like the it's it's the dry

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part of it but it's the discipline again shout out to the art of war uh you

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being in the room is the most important thing but it's probably like lifting words just.

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Keep doing it you gotta keep doing it but nonetheless like people want like they want

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a little bit more than that so that's where you say all right here's what

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we're gonna do for the next month just get good at this one

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thing in half guard so what you're kind of saying is you

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can break it down into like a simpler goal this person in

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in one month isn't gonna master guard it's

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a question on this but they can like we can be like hey look dude

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like we're gonna try to get the half guard we're gonna collapse our weight we're

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gonna do this one thing that you know pierces you through to side control you're

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gonna get your guard passed from that thing that's gonna to be our project and

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there's because there's so many things it's like if you properly place those

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things in front of the person you're working with you're always giving them

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like a new challenge because like.

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White belt or not like you give them the instructions they'll do it which is

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pretty cool i think that's like a fun thing for people to realize like oh i

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rather than trying to do everything all at one time i

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got better at this one thing i kind of like i lasered in on it and

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there's like also that realization when you introduce them that you're

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like hey look if you pick a goal my real goal and you

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focus on it you can achieve it and then they're like

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oh fuck dude sweet like what's the next thing and

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so i think you can you can keep that burnout at

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bay by being engaged with students

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and you know there's one of the challenges you have so many students and

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some people are pretty good at being proactive and like talking to you be like man like what

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should i be doing a little bit more i get that question all the time like what am i what am

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i doing right what am i doing wrong people probably ask yeah yeah and it's

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and you can often give them an answer uh but

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like you want to know a little bit more about the person to

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understand like where they're at what they're doing so it's a little more consultative

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so so something that's helped me in the

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weight room that i started bringing to the mats i'm curious to know your opinion on this

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is um because it's once again monotonous after

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you're doing it for so long i've been lifting 18 years um and specialized

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in three lifts over the 18 years it's like i'm really just doing three

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things for 18 years better at it better and better so for

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me it's like obviously there's the goal of the session like the session was

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structured and this is what it is but then i go.

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Into each one with a little micro mini game in my head

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of like okay i want my bracing to be better i want this position to

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be better i started bringing that on to me because i'm notorious for

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having like lifting and mat add where like i'll

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burn out or just get bored i need things to be going

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uh otherwise my brain is just like in a different stratosphere you'll

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that's why like seminars are hard for me sometimes i'll be

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at a seminar and i won't remember half of it because i fell asleep mentally i

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just like i'm in a different room um so for

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me what i found was like i took that onto the

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mats and regardless independent of what was

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taught that day i'm still doing that thing but the

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game i'm playing in my head is legs obviously on this leg kick

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right now is hands and butt on the floor hands or

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butt get every opponent's hand on the butt on the floor that is

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my precursor before i do anything now i can play jiu-jitsu so that in my mind

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that keeps things fresh because now if i do that every time every role no matter

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what happens in the class in my mind okay box checked gotta win now we just

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build off that layer so i find like micro things like that just helps like gamifying

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it in your head because like you guys do like games and stuff like that and structure,

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that's a whole different subject in itself we just talked about it but yeah

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yeah but like almost as soon as I saw that I was like oh yeah gamifying this

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actually makes shit fun now,

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how do we then leverage that on both sides and I think it's very possible it

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breaks the pattern a little bit too because like you said you do the same thing

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over and over again for 18 plus years.

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You know, you got to like, you got to mix it up a little bit.

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You said something, Scott, that kind of stuck with me.

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I'm thinking, what are these, these tangible micro goals that athletes,

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you know, what can they latch onto to keep stuff fresh?

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And while you were talking, I was like, you know what? He's right.

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Showing up. How about that as a micro goal? You showed up.

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Get to class. Yeah. And what do your parents tell you for those of you going off to college?

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Just go to class. If you go to class, you'll probably be fine.

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Why? because if you actually take the time to go there you'll probably end up

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learning something so even just showing up can be a micro goal in itself I like

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that yeah showing up sometimes is the hardest part but yeah absolutely for real

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you gotta do it you gotta pay the troll toll yeah.

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Want the baby if cause yeah if you're if you go if you go into it and your goal

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is just to get better like that's a super broad goal right like you're how are

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you you're never gonna measure that you got better mm-hmm,

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in any reasonable amount of time because everyone else is getting better.

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Yeah, that's like an unspoken thing. Like, obviously you want to.

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Yeah, like, but if you say, like, I always go into and I pick,

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like, some problem if I've been rolling, like, I go and train with a bunch of different people.

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And if I'm running into some specific hurdle when I'm rolling with someone,

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I'll go back and say, all right, like, we were just talking about,

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we were just talking about a mutual friend of ours, Robbie.

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And so, like, he's really good at one specific, like, at a very specific like

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chain of attacks. And yeah,

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rather than try to troubleshoot it within his, you know,

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I could sit there and try to troubleshoot it while rolling with him,

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or I can go back and find someone who,

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and get someone to start in that same starting position and then try to engineer

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my way out of it and say like, all right, my goal is to beat whatever starting point or,

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you know, Hey, I'm, I'm running into a, I'm running into a catch point on,

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or, you know, into a hurdle, whatever I can, you know.

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Thing you want to use for that but i'm running into some sort of

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roadblock here when i'm trying to do when i'm

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trying to do like a body walk pass like it's like you know people keep

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kind of catching me at this one point like that's

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where i'm kind of getting stuck and so then you sit there and

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you say all right i'm gonna get myself to that point and i'm

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gonna find my way around that point so you get like super small

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is your goal the thing you're gonna get better at versus trying

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to like i'm going to master guard because that's

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a pretty i mean like you said that's a really big it's

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a really big goal you're not going to do that in a class yeah but you

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can sit there and over like two three weeks you can just

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peck away at one very specific move

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within a move and get to the

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next point and then get to the next point until you're finally like breaking

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apart a whole sequence of moves interesting actually

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that kind of speaking of micro goals

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and goals and stuff in general we were kind of talking about it earlier and the

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question came up are you able to tell if somebody

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is going to be able to be successful just by

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the way they kind of carry themselves talk or i

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forget the exact um phrasing of the question

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but are you able to tell if somebody is going to be a successful person

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or a student um kind of

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just from an initial interaction yeah i think we were saying what

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are there specific attributes or um i.

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Guess even broader than that are there specific things about a person that you

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can tell personality what personality attributes physical stuff um for me a

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big one's just general grit if somebody is you can even call it stubborn but

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you know somebody is specifically like.

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Hard-headed stubborn in a good way right

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like they are willing to they are

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willing to be bad at something and will keep

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trying and keep going until they are

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good at it that person will normally be more

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successful than someone who is naturally talented but

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doesn't put in the work so that tenacity yeah

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like there's plenty of people who are naturally talented

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athletes that just they're just

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too good for their own good right like they're too talented

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for their own good that they get away with

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stuff and then they fall behind everybody else because they don't put

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in the work or they don't try or they're not actively trying

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to learn i'm not a naturally gifted person at

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the same level as a bunch of other people but i

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put in i've always had to put in the extra work and that's what gets

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you know that's the that's what got me to be

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more successful versus like if i was because

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honestly if i was like i i skipped tons of

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classes in school because i was just i was

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just able to do it right and so because so

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if i was just naturally a ultra gifted athlete i would probably slack off because

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it'd be oh well this is you know this is easy for me i'll just show up every

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once in a while and put in the amount of work i feel like doing and then move

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on but i can't do that because one i'm smaller than everybody else.

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So like you know that that alone is

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something that gets people to be that is something

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i look for like i see that in somebody if they keep showing up

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even though they're getting beaten all the time by people who

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have been there a shorter period of time that person is going to end up

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being more successful they keep showing up every day and trying and

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getting better so i love that answer

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i think i know our end a lot for for me

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and then i want to hear you guys because i already know what i think i think

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somebody that listens if if somebody listens like i don't know as much about

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lifting as it seemed i don't know much as much about jujitsu as you guys well

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i'm not going to talk i'm going to listen to you guys so that i can save myself

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years and years and years,

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of having to go through what you guys did i can i have the luxury of listening

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and learning so for me, I think that's mine.

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I think mine kind of segues off of that, which is quality of question.

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You can tell if someone's going to be good at something based on the question

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they're asking because the question kind of tells you what direction they're

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trying to actually take this thing.

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If they're asking you what if questions at end of class, they're just trying

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to beat the person that just beat them.

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Um and if they're asking you like hey how do i set this lift up

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and then there's nothing beyond that they're not really trying to understand

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why they're doing the thing people who are asking like in-depth questions that

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lead to a discussion or kind of encompass a principle i think are the ones that

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are going to be the most successful because they are the ones that are actually

00:22:07.930 --> 00:22:10.970
trying to understand what it is they're doing so i think the people who are

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trying to ask good questions,

00:22:12.430 --> 00:22:15.090
to understand what they're doing are the ones who are probably going to go the

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furthest because they are actually thinking about

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whatever it is jiu-jitsu lifting whatever it is nutrition um

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yeah i think people who are just asking a plus like one plus

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one equals two questions are the ones who are probably going to stay

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they're going to get good and if they're talented they'll get real good but

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i think the ones who become great eventually coaches and eventually leaders

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are the ones who ask really well thought out questions like if you're just firing

00:22:38.210 --> 00:22:42.310
off a question from the hip rather than thinking about what is it what is this

00:22:42.310 --> 00:22:45.330
question gonna what kind of answer is this question going to give me and you

00:22:45.330 --> 00:22:47.130
don't ask that first and then you just fire it off.

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Those are the people who are usually and i don't think they're gonna go that far

00:22:50.370 --> 00:22:53.990
are you looking for like whys versus hows essentially like

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yeah like an understanding like it's it's it's a

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less of a i mean for me like i would say on the mats as

00:22:59.550 --> 00:23:02.310
a student side i can't stand me but ask what is like when

00:23:02.310 --> 00:23:05.150
someone raises their hand i'm like fuck here comes a what if and it's

00:23:05.150 --> 00:23:08.190
like and i'm sure you guys as coaches are like we get them yeah

00:23:08.190 --> 00:23:10.990
we get them yeah because it's like what if yes it's an

00:23:10.990 --> 00:23:13.750
it's an indefinite amount of rubik's cube combinations are going

00:23:13.750 --> 00:23:16.630
to happen there's going to be what is understand the principle why this works

00:23:16.630 --> 00:23:19.330
and it's the same thing like the way we just taught that seminar a week

00:23:19.330 --> 00:23:22.770
ago we just taught a lifting seminar a week ago and it

00:23:22.770 --> 00:23:25.870
was all principle based because i was like i wonder if we only focus

00:23:25.870 --> 00:23:29.790
on the principle of why these things work and the mechanics can

00:23:29.790 --> 00:23:32.750
we teach more people faster and that was

00:23:32.750 --> 00:23:35.590
our best seminar the feedback immediately afterwards like we learned so

00:23:35.590 --> 00:23:39.050
much i'm like fuck i've been teaching guys for years now but

00:23:39.050 --> 00:23:42.110
by doing it this way more people understood it so i.

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Think yeah interesting i like that answer and i'm

00:23:44.830 --> 00:23:48.350
writing that down yeah got scott

00:23:48.350 --> 00:23:51.410
taking notes the fun thing about the uh what if question is

00:23:51.410 --> 00:23:54.290
a lot of time the answer in jiu-jitsu

00:23:54.290 --> 00:23:57.130
is then we would do something else yeah exactly see that's

00:23:57.130 --> 00:24:00.010
the thing it's like okay now we're just playing cat and mouse yeah and it's like well if

00:24:00.010 --> 00:24:02.730
you understood okay what is what okay pin this guy down

00:24:02.730 --> 00:24:05.550
okay what is the principle of pinning like what is it to pin

00:24:05.550 --> 00:24:08.470
someone what is that then now we're getting to like an answer

00:24:08.470 --> 00:24:11.650
that someone can then apply for many different positions how what

00:24:11.650 --> 00:24:14.390
is the mechanism of controlling a leg like what what

00:24:14.390 --> 00:24:17.250
is what does it mean to actually be in mount past the

00:24:17.250 --> 00:24:19.770
knees below the elbows what does it mean to be behind the back behind the elbows

00:24:19.770 --> 00:24:23.250
so it's like things like that now i think that's when we start getting into

00:24:23.250 --> 00:24:26.830
like understanding those are people i think assign faster yeah what when the

00:24:26.830 --> 00:24:30.630
people actually want to understand what creates the position not how do we do

00:24:30.630 --> 00:24:36.330
the position yeah yeah a lot of times dude like people will just ask questions take a second.

00:24:37.095 --> 00:24:39.935
You can probably answer your own question if you really think about it.

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If you can't answer your own question, then go to your coach. Then go to your trainer.

00:24:44.235 --> 00:24:47.935
But 99% of the time, if you really think about it, you can figure it out. You can Google it.

00:24:48.675 --> 00:24:52.395
That's where the expertise comes. 100%. I think, and then the question along

00:24:52.395 --> 00:24:56.275
the same lines of the question, you can tell when someone's asking a question

00:24:56.275 --> 00:25:00.515
as a response because they checked out of the conversation and we're waiting

00:25:00.515 --> 00:25:02.115
for their turn to ask a question.

00:25:02.115 --> 00:25:04.915
And i think on from our from

00:25:04.915 --> 00:25:07.975
our specialties it's sometimes look how

00:25:07.975 --> 00:25:10.995
much i'm trying to learn kind of a thing i i always jokingly

00:25:10.995 --> 00:25:14.715
say hashtag do it for the stripe um where it's

00:25:14.715 --> 00:25:17.715
like i'm doing so much i'm asking so many questions yes but you're not listening

00:25:17.715 --> 00:25:22.455
to any of the answers you're just firing off like a shotgun different uh or

00:25:22.455 --> 00:25:25.315
machine gun a bunch of different questions but there's really nothing that you're

00:25:25.315 --> 00:25:28.895
absorbing because you're not taking what we just said and then thinking about

00:25:28.895 --> 00:25:32.255
those who think about what you just said and then ask clarifying questions.

00:25:33.055 --> 00:25:36.015
Not a rebuttal question or the ones i think are going

00:25:36.015 --> 00:25:39.095
to go far so it's a quality of question it really just comes down to how good

00:25:39.095 --> 00:25:42.755
are those questions and i think donna here said it in a podcast with that money

00:25:42.755 --> 00:25:46.595
whatever dude money bird money bird where he said um and i don't know if that's

00:25:46.595 --> 00:25:49.435
true this is something we can probably discuss and debate at another time or

00:25:49.435 --> 00:25:54.875
even on this podcast the intellect of the individual can be tied to the quality

00:25:54.875 --> 00:25:58.335
of question because john Donahue was saying in his degree program,

00:25:58.515 --> 00:26:00.575
he didn't learn a lot of things.

00:26:00.575 --> 00:26:04.375
He learned how to ask better questions because he, what, a PhD in philosophy.

00:26:04.595 --> 00:26:06.395
Yeah. So something like that.

00:26:06.895 --> 00:26:12.455
Yeah, when I get those what if questions, to your point, I think it comes from

00:26:12.455 --> 00:26:14.155
a good place, the person.

00:26:14.175 --> 00:26:17.195
Just for the viewers, just to see Scott's physical change.

00:26:17.675 --> 00:26:20.015
No, no, no, there's no physical change.

00:26:20.915 --> 00:26:24.535
Maybe my face changed. Just a smile, just a smile. He's a smirk.

00:26:24.715 --> 00:26:27.815
He's become a little less reclined. no no no i'm i'm

00:26:27.815 --> 00:26:31.075
good but uh his hat has turned forwards

00:26:31.075 --> 00:26:33.915
that is true but uh but okay with

00:26:33.915 --> 00:26:36.755
those questions i uh i have

00:26:36.755 --> 00:26:40.755
to if i'm in like a class setting which is usually the scenario

00:26:40.755 --> 00:26:44.075
for me for this type of stuff um i'll answer

00:26:44.075 --> 00:26:46.855
it i'm like i'm gonna give him an actual answer and some of the answer

00:26:46.855 --> 00:26:50.135
is yes sometimes the answer is no like

00:26:50.135 --> 00:26:52.855
it's like quick because i'm like hey look i can't like in a

00:26:52.855 --> 00:26:55.535
what if like well someone will be like well how do you defend it

00:26:55.535 --> 00:26:58.315
or like what they'll give you something that like

00:26:58.315 --> 00:27:02.035
it's it's it's gonna derail the purpose of what i'm doing not

00:27:02.035 --> 00:27:04.715
that that's their intention maybe they're just getting this right question out of their

00:27:04.715 --> 00:27:08.055
their mouth uh they wanted to say something that's okay too don't mind that

00:27:08.055 --> 00:27:13.335
i i think i did that once upon a time so i'm sympathetic anyways um like i had

00:27:13.335 --> 00:27:16.835
a dude the other day like i was i think i showed single leg x entering into

00:27:16.835 --> 00:27:20.135
it just just entering into it like an all levels class really basic a lot of

00:27:20.135 --> 00:27:22.075
white belts, a couple purple and brown belts, but it's mostly.

00:27:23.177 --> 00:27:27.577
Beginner intermediate and he was like was you know i think his question was

00:27:27.577 --> 00:27:31.537
something along the lines of like how can i use this he says can this be like

00:27:31.537 --> 00:27:35.137
what are some ways i can use this in like white belt something i just said yes

00:27:35.137 --> 00:27:38.217
you can i'm like it's all of the ways like you can do it

00:27:38.577 --> 00:27:41.337
that was the answer it was like i could tell he probably want a little bit more

00:27:41.337 --> 00:27:44.817
i was like you can this is white belt approved we have like two seconds i was

00:27:44.817 --> 00:27:49.137
like we're moving on all right that's the answer he's like and he was like yes

00:27:49.137 --> 00:27:52.337
sir this guy's a good student he's awesome um,

00:27:53.677 --> 00:27:57.797
anyways but it was a what if basically and i get them all the time and i just like i'm like

00:27:58.157 --> 00:28:01.017
well what do we you know if how do how do i defend uh

00:28:01.017 --> 00:28:04.417
whatever like you defend it all right next question like it's not

00:28:04.417 --> 00:28:08.097
to punk them to be like i can't do that but you can't do it it's not worth going

00:28:08.097 --> 00:28:11.497
over but you should defend it i get a lot of i get a lot of i get a lot of like

00:28:11.497 --> 00:28:15.217
tangential like that's like the things that leads me towards yeah things that

00:28:15.217 --> 00:28:18.097
leads me towards other subjects and i'm like not doing that right now focus

00:28:18.097 --> 00:28:22.817
on the thing good just keep going like i I have to like shepherd quite a bit

00:28:22.817 --> 00:28:23.837
when I'm in these situations.

00:28:23.977 --> 00:28:25.997
How do you have to hit them with the catch me after class?

00:28:26.917 --> 00:28:30.517
We'll go after it. We'll go over it then. Yeah, no, for real.

00:28:30.597 --> 00:28:33.077
Where I'm like, hey, look, we got, you know, there's like 30 other people in class.

00:28:33.257 --> 00:28:36.337
Like you guys are, you know, this is, if I spend another six minutes talking,

00:28:36.397 --> 00:28:38.857
it's going to eat into your sparring. It's not fair to everyone else.

00:28:38.977 --> 00:28:41.237
Right. It's fine. Like, come catch me on the side and then.

00:28:41.797 --> 00:28:47.497
If it gets like, well, if it gets really technical, sometimes that's when I'm

00:28:47.497 --> 00:28:48.797
like, guys, maybe we should do a private lesson.

00:28:50.357 --> 00:28:53.577
For real i mean because i'm like somebody because i'm like hey look like legitimately this

00:28:53.577 --> 00:28:57.037
is you know like you're asking this is i can give you a full answer full

00:28:57.037 --> 00:28:59.817
answers it's gonna be long and like you might want some time to do that or it's

00:28:59.817 --> 00:29:03.417
like quick here to the point here's what we're doing but i don't know here's

00:29:03.417 --> 00:29:06.217
why you asked i can give you an answer like i can i can spit something out and

00:29:06.217 --> 00:29:08.377
it'll be valuable i try to make it valuable you know what i mean these people

00:29:08.377 --> 00:29:11.657
like they're good customers they're good people like yeah well i call it office

00:29:11.657 --> 00:29:14.697
hours i usually get them after i teach an all levels class on thursdays and

00:29:14.697 --> 00:29:18.137
i sit around for 15 to 30 minutes sometimes

00:29:18.537 --> 00:29:21.837
this small talk chat people will have questions there's

00:29:21.837 --> 00:29:24.737
usually a queue so i talk to him for a minute i'm like you you you

00:29:24.737 --> 00:29:27.717
answer your question all right go home like all right next person

00:29:27.717 --> 00:29:32.557
like you know for real so uh but i try to be like i try to make it valuable

00:29:32.557 --> 00:29:35.337
but some of them like legitimately are like this is these are conversations

00:29:35.337 --> 00:29:38.877
or subjects and so then i'm like look dude it depends on what you want to do

00:29:38.877 --> 00:29:42.117
like for the next next couple weeks when we come in class like we have a we

00:29:42.117 --> 00:29:46.037
have a curriculum you may not do this exact thing second time for maybe another week or so,

00:29:46.157 --> 00:29:48.557
but like, think about this, blah, blah, blah. I'll give them like a thoughtful answer.

00:29:49.176 --> 00:29:53.056
But if it gets too in the weeds, hey, private lessons. That's what we have them

00:29:53.056 --> 00:29:54.876
for. And there's nothing to be with me. It could be with someone else.

00:29:55.656 --> 00:29:59.656
But we were talking about, by the way, all of these things that I find interesting

00:29:59.656 --> 00:30:03.776
back to the original question, which I believe was what are we looking for from

00:30:03.776 --> 00:30:05.596
someone? Those are tough things.

00:30:06.296 --> 00:30:08.656
My interpretation of what you were going to say, Mike, which actually basically

00:30:08.656 --> 00:30:12.356
was the same thing. It's like how willing are they to quit or unwilling to quit?

00:30:13.056 --> 00:30:18.256
How relentless are they? So like indefatigable. Yeah. Private school word.

00:30:19.176 --> 00:30:22.036
I mean, have you seen my books? He does have books all over.

00:30:22.616 --> 00:30:26.376
He's a learned man. I got books and stuff. I have notepads. I write things out,

00:30:26.496 --> 00:30:29.276
whatever. This man has multiple diplomas from the University of Kentucky.

00:30:29.296 --> 00:30:30.276
Yeah, do you guys see these diplomas?

00:30:30.616 --> 00:30:33.676
There are diplomas everywhere. He's not lying. That's Phi Beta Kappa.

00:30:34.036 --> 00:30:37.696
That meant something. I forgot what it meant. It means something.

00:30:38.816 --> 00:30:41.076
It means he graduated with honor. Societies are just honoring me.

00:30:41.336 --> 00:30:45.376
It's not enough. It escapes from my head, Scott. You got me thinking again.

00:30:46.276 --> 00:30:51.356
It's interesting because not one of us in this room said, oh,

00:30:51.396 --> 00:30:54.636
I can tell this person is going to be successful because of anything having

00:30:54.636 --> 00:30:56.776
to do with their physical appearance at all.

00:30:57.016 --> 00:31:03.056
It had to do with tenacity, listening, and being able to articulate questions clearly.

00:31:03.376 --> 00:31:06.216
Nothing with physical. Yeah, and you can't really read these things.

00:31:06.396 --> 00:31:11.456
You can look at a person and like, you know, okay, I'll see like some jacked

00:31:11.456 --> 00:31:13.996
wrestler comes in. I'm like, all right, this. You can...

00:31:16.261 --> 00:31:21.261
I mean you might be able to discern things from that like hey this guy is in

00:31:21.261 --> 00:31:27.641
good shape he wrestled for 18 years which probably tells you that a lot of these um characteristics

00:31:28.041 --> 00:31:30.741
might already exist in that dude because he was

00:31:30.741 --> 00:31:34.301
able to do something that's difficult for that long of a time how and

00:31:34.301 --> 00:31:36.941
why we don't actually know until we get our hands on them until we figure out

00:31:36.941 --> 00:31:40.161
what kind of person they are like to what we're talking about you're right um so

00:31:40.161 --> 00:31:42.961
like you can you can vet a little bit like you can have like

00:31:42.961 --> 00:31:45.921
i guess you would call them expectations but you

00:31:45.921 --> 00:31:49.161
really don't know until like the experiment starts running i

00:31:49.161 --> 00:31:52.101
think a lot of things that we didn't mention are things that we can develop

00:31:52.101 --> 00:31:55.061
the things that we did mention are things that are like part

00:31:55.061 --> 00:31:58.161
of the cloth the person is made of kind of like in business wise if you were

00:31:58.161 --> 00:32:02.441
to hire an employee it's how autonomous are they right right so someone who

00:32:02.441 --> 00:32:06.941
is autonomous will usually ascend to more leadership managerial positions right

00:32:06.941 --> 00:32:09.961
because they can work without you having to give direction which then means

00:32:09.961 --> 00:32:13.421
they can probably problem solve so things like that are like the,

00:32:13.901 --> 00:32:17.001
intangibles that you can't train or can't teach are the probably traits that

00:32:17.001 --> 00:32:20.681
we are looking for because everything else it's our job to instill in that individual

00:32:20.681 --> 00:32:25.001
whereas the stuff that we can't train those are those are the attributes you

00:32:25.001 --> 00:32:25.961
need to come to us with some material.

00:32:26.621 --> 00:32:29.401
Right and depending what materials you come with come to us with

00:32:29.401 --> 00:32:33.081
will tell us how far we can build off of because it's really just like what's

00:32:33.081 --> 00:32:37.361
the platform we're building off of is it like a wooden plank or is it a giant

00:32:37.361 --> 00:32:41.141
concrete slab that's immovable now that really determines what kind of building

00:32:41.141 --> 00:32:46.121
we're building here you know the physical attributes can be can be created if

00:32:46.121 --> 00:32:49.121
they have those personality traits right like.

00:32:49.771 --> 00:32:55.511
If they have all those personality traits, you can turn that person to whatever

00:32:55.511 --> 00:32:56.911
you want them to be, right?

00:32:57.031 --> 00:33:01.071
Like whatever they need to be to be successful, if they're willing to listen,

00:33:01.551 --> 00:33:06.831
they're willing to, and they're asking good questions and they don't quit on you or on themselves,

00:33:07.211 --> 00:33:13.751
mainly on themselves, that person will become, they will become whatever with

00:33:13.751 --> 00:33:18.091
the right, with the right programming will become what they need to be to be

00:33:18.091 --> 00:33:19.651
the most successful version of themselves.

00:33:20.291 --> 00:33:24.331
That is facts. And to circle back, Scott says something.

00:33:24.511 --> 00:33:29.331
Well, yeah, if this jack guy walks in the gym, looks like he's done his homework

00:33:29.331 --> 00:33:30.731
and stuff. And it's true.

00:33:31.131 --> 00:33:33.791
Your body is a reflection of your habits.

00:33:34.291 --> 00:33:38.091
It is. Now, there are certain instances, there might be health conditions and

00:33:38.091 --> 00:33:42.131
stuff that prohibit you from being able to do certain activities and stuff like that.

00:33:42.231 --> 00:33:44.811
But for the most part, cut out the excuses.

00:33:45.171 --> 00:33:48.611
Your body is a reflection of your habits. And so to your point,

00:33:48.771 --> 00:33:52.011
when a jack guy walks in, he's probably developed those good habits.

00:33:52.311 --> 00:33:53.631
Yeah, episode 16 right there.

00:33:54.031 --> 00:33:57.051
Episode 16 of the Strong AF podcast. They actually talked about this.

00:33:57.051 --> 00:34:00.171
I said one more trait too, which is a huge, actually something I think all three

00:34:00.171 --> 00:34:01.171
of you guys have in common.

00:34:01.251 --> 00:34:06.271
I've noticed is, and almost everyone that is like in that group chat with all

00:34:06.271 --> 00:34:10.611
the other owners, and also in like the management positions is resourcefulness.

00:34:11.391 --> 00:34:15.471
The more resourceful someone is, right? Like if you're only digesting what is

00:34:15.471 --> 00:34:18.511
told to you in class or what is told to you when we are talking to you,

00:34:18.591 --> 00:34:22.211
and that is the only source you ingest from, but you don't do anything else outside of that.

00:34:23.131 --> 00:34:26.311
But the other person is, that person generally could be more successful because

00:34:26.311 --> 00:34:30.311
they're constantly trying to download information and having the ability to

00:34:30.311 --> 00:34:33.491
filter, you know, being able to have the filter, you know.

00:34:33.811 --> 00:34:37.991
So I think the resourcefulness is another one, I would say.

00:34:38.911 --> 00:34:43.491
Yeah, I like that. there's accessing more information from different different

00:34:43.491 --> 00:34:47.231
places yeah and how like open-mindedness there too you have to be open-minded

00:34:47.231 --> 00:34:50.331
to be resourceful right because you're you're sifting through different avenues

00:34:50.331 --> 00:34:54.291
and i see you do that all the time i mean shit look at this room it's it's it's

00:34:54.291 --> 00:34:57.131
it's a uh that's an interesting one because i also think that,

00:34:57.991 --> 00:35:01.851
some of these things like some of these characters or traits that they're you

00:35:01.851 --> 00:35:05.271
can encourage people you can tell them like hey you need to have you got to

00:35:05.271 --> 00:35:08.711
develop the grit you got to show up you You can tell them, but then they have

00:35:08.711 --> 00:35:09.891
to make the choice to do it.

00:35:10.602 --> 00:35:14.922
Yeah. It's a big one because that's why like earlier when I was saying like

00:35:14.922 --> 00:35:17.282
not being willing to quit and like just go to class.

00:35:17.462 --> 00:35:19.942
Those are like really my answers. Cause even like you said, like developing

00:35:19.942 --> 00:35:23.442
characteristics and or developing traits, like you said, you will build those

00:35:23.442 --> 00:35:25.122
things. It doesn't happen overnight.

00:35:25.482 --> 00:35:28.162
It takes a while. So you just got to show up and do it.

00:35:28.182 --> 00:35:30.842
Now that's like a painful answer to give to people because basically that's

00:35:30.842 --> 00:35:34.622
like, Hey, you just got to have to suffer for the rest of your life.

00:35:34.622 --> 00:35:37.362
Like yeah yeah and and get used to it but it's like

00:35:37.362 --> 00:35:40.542
there's there's virtue in this suffering so embrace

00:35:40.542 --> 00:35:44.262
it it's a tough pill to swallow but if if you that i

00:35:44.262 --> 00:35:48.642
i don't know i'm not maybe that's why i tell them that but stay on the mat i'm

00:35:48.642 --> 00:35:52.782
like stay on the mat because like dude it's if you can overcome that by the

00:35:52.782 --> 00:35:57.262
way got a great quote for you guys from one of my books julius caesar said this

00:35:57.262 --> 00:36:00.862
and i love this quote which is that it's easier to find men willing to volunteer

00:36:00.862 --> 00:36:03.582
to die than to endure pain with patience.

00:36:05.322 --> 00:36:08.842
It's a good one, right? That's a very good one. I look for reasons to say it every day.

00:36:10.062 --> 00:36:13.562
I can check today off. But it's true, man. It's like how many of you guys are

00:36:13.562 --> 00:36:16.862
like ready to like just deal with like the, it's like uncertainty.

00:36:16.862 --> 00:36:19.542
Like, am I getting good at this? Am I bad? That's kind of the spirit of the question.

00:36:19.682 --> 00:36:23.082
It's like the micro goals because of what Mike said, where if you're in the

00:36:23.082 --> 00:36:26.142
same room and you shout out to what you said in terms of like cross train,

00:36:26.302 --> 00:36:29.382
see different looks, because then that's a really good way to judge if like

00:36:29.382 --> 00:36:30.282
you're doing something better.

00:36:30.282 --> 00:36:33.182
Because when you like you train with the same people who are

00:36:33.182 --> 00:36:36.662
also getting better it is difficult like that comparisons it's

00:36:36.662 --> 00:36:43.422
it's it's tough um especially you have like everyone goes through their growth

00:36:43.422 --> 00:36:46.182
spurts that's true separately that's true so someone might start like kicking

00:36:46.182 --> 00:36:50.102
some ass like and you're like fuck man this guy's getting better than i am you

00:36:50.102 --> 00:36:54.282
know maybe they are maybe they aren't whatever but um yeah like it it it uh.

00:36:55.119 --> 00:36:57.979
You have to because the thing is like you are getting better

00:36:57.979 --> 00:37:00.839
it's sort of like it's a tough thing to tell someone like i don't feel

00:37:00.839 --> 00:37:03.759
like i'm getting better like you are getting better because you're here you're doing it that's the

00:37:03.759 --> 00:37:06.899
actual answer it's like just keep showing up it's a tougher answer

00:37:06.899 --> 00:37:10.039
but it's the answer i think yeah i think that answer actually now i'm thinking

00:37:10.039 --> 00:37:13.119
about it might be the root of all of them because i think so so because i don't

00:37:13.119 --> 00:37:16.079
think any of the traits that we named are necessarily things that people just

00:37:16.079 --> 00:37:20.219
born with you develop them so like if someone asks how do i ask better questions

00:37:20.219 --> 00:37:25.119
first start asking yourself questions and start practicing the act of asking more questions, right?

00:37:25.359 --> 00:37:29.959
And over time, you learn what type of questioning, a structure of questions

00:37:29.959 --> 00:37:33.519
lead to the answers you actually want and then which ones give you the answers you don't want.

00:37:33.659 --> 00:37:36.779
And then you just get better at it. So I think just showing up can be applied

00:37:36.779 --> 00:37:40.279
beyond the mats to literally all the attributes because you can develop any

00:37:40.279 --> 00:37:41.619
of these things that we just said, all these traits.

00:37:41.799 --> 00:37:46.219
But something like you said earlier, you have to make the decision within yourself

00:37:46.219 --> 00:37:49.079
first to do this because we can't, no one can really teach you this.

00:37:49.319 --> 00:37:53.099
It's things that you need to practice within yourself to find your own way of doing it.

00:37:53.559 --> 00:37:57.199
Your own way of resourcefulness. If you want to get really good at asking questions,

00:37:57.759 --> 00:37:59.759
come up with a goal for what you want.

00:38:00.099 --> 00:38:03.459
Like an image generation on AI.

00:38:04.139 --> 00:38:08.839
Go in with an idea of what you want that picture to look like and ask the AI

00:38:08.839 --> 00:38:11.739
the question until it gives you the exact picture you want.

00:38:12.239 --> 00:38:16.179
Because then you will get really good at asking questions. Damn, what? Yeah.

00:38:16.619 --> 00:38:20.519
I have a personal bone to pick with AI. I hate AI.

00:38:21.599 --> 00:38:24.799
Like, conceptually, I think it's, like, crazy. I jokingly tell friends.

00:38:24.799 --> 00:38:26.399
I love making crazy pictures of AI.

00:38:26.779 --> 00:38:29.719
I jokingly tell friends, I'm like, look, if the Terminators we end up fighting

00:38:29.719 --> 00:38:32.939
in a few years are based on this AI, we don't need to worry about fighting them.

00:38:32.999 --> 00:38:35.959
Just ask them, like, five questions in a row. Don't fucking panic. Be really polite.

00:38:36.699 --> 00:38:38.319
Yeah, that's funny.

00:38:39.319 --> 00:38:42.739
I, too, agree with you in terms of, like, chat GPT or whatever. You're like, all right.

00:38:44.046 --> 00:38:46.946
Question like i think to work on that note you

00:38:46.946 --> 00:38:50.866
just talked about this on your podcast i i actually use chat

00:38:50.866 --> 00:38:53.886
and stuff a lot for work for for

00:38:53.886 --> 00:38:56.686
a ton of stuff and it's gotten to the point where kind

00:38:56.686 --> 00:39:00.166
of like you guys are saying i i feel like i might be using it as there's

00:39:00.166 --> 00:39:03.466
no doubt about it there is no argument against the fact that that

00:39:03.466 --> 00:39:07.126
information being readily available so

00:39:07.126 --> 00:39:10.366
quickly it that's game-changing for

00:39:10.366 --> 00:39:13.386
for a lot of different fields that being said

00:39:13.386 --> 00:39:16.186
kind of going back to what asim said if you're not able to and

00:39:16.186 --> 00:39:19.206
kind of combining what you said mike if you're not able to properly articulate

00:39:19.206 --> 00:39:22.126
your questions to generate that image that you had pictured.

00:39:22.126 --> 00:39:25.126
In your head you're not going to get yield the results

00:39:25.126 --> 00:39:27.946
you want you have to be able to ask the right kind

00:39:27.946 --> 00:39:30.546
of question and that's where i think uh i think we talked about this in the

00:39:30.546 --> 00:39:33.486
ai episode where the people who know how to leverage

00:39:33.486 --> 00:39:36.406
the ai as an enhancer rather than a crutch

00:39:36.406 --> 00:39:39.066
will be the ones who separate themselves there's gonna

00:39:39.066 --> 00:39:42.346
be an intellect gap for sure that has developed through ai because

00:39:42.346 --> 00:39:45.446
those are people there's gonna be people who rely on ai and don't

00:39:45.446 --> 00:39:49.486
do the critical thinking anymore yep and they just let their pocket

00:39:49.486 --> 00:39:52.186
uh pocket ai do all the answering for them so they don't

00:39:52.186 --> 00:39:55.826
they don't practice the art or the skill of thinking and

00:39:55.826 --> 00:39:58.926
asking questions and being resourceful they just go

00:39:58.926 --> 00:40:01.766
straight to chat so now they're not thinking anymore there's no critical

00:40:01.766 --> 00:40:05.486
thinking practice at all in their day whereas others will think what

00:40:05.486 --> 00:40:08.206
they do the critical thing outside of ai and then use ai to

00:40:08.206 --> 00:40:11.726
enhance it because they'll come to it with a concise question to

00:40:11.726 --> 00:40:14.386
then get exactly what they're looking for versus someone who

00:40:14.386 --> 00:40:17.326
doesn't have that filter or just ask the ai a blanket

00:40:17.326 --> 00:40:19.966
question because they don't ask it a good question and it'll give you

00:40:19.966 --> 00:40:23.446
an answer but maybe it's not the correct answer it's not the answer you're looking

00:40:23.446 --> 00:40:26.826
for it's not the answer you need it's the answer you asked it just went and

00:40:26.826 --> 00:40:32.086
scanned every single website that popped up in the top 15 of google searches

00:40:32.086 --> 00:40:37.646
and just created something based on what those things said right like that's what it does right,

00:40:38.286 --> 00:40:40.026
and like I like the.

00:40:40.976 --> 00:40:43.856
Using it for generating images in fact we used

00:40:43.856 --> 00:40:47.696
it to generate our logo for the podcast because

00:40:47.696 --> 00:40:50.656
i have zero graphic design

00:40:50.656 --> 00:40:54.056
skills i do not my graphic design

00:40:54.056 --> 00:40:57.216
skills are anchored in microsoft paint

00:40:57.216 --> 00:41:03.676
from 2000 you know like that's

00:41:03.676 --> 00:41:07.616
that is that and like just randomly putting shit

00:41:07.616 --> 00:41:10.616
together in clip art and calling it photoshop right

00:41:10.616 --> 00:41:13.456
like so i'm not able to do

00:41:13.456 --> 00:41:16.196
that stuff so i can go in but i can go in and i can tell what

00:41:16.196 --> 00:41:19.076
i want it to look like and if i and then it can create

00:41:19.076 --> 00:41:23.796
it but i'm not going to go and tell it to make me a recipe for brewing beer

00:41:23.796 --> 00:41:28.296
right like i i know i i know to do that that'd be lazy for me to go in and be

00:41:28.296 --> 00:41:31.996
like hey uh i know that this is my job but can you go and like make this for

00:41:31.996 --> 00:41:36.216
me or you know like well is that lazy though or are you just using it,

00:41:37.036 --> 00:41:39.036
as to enhance your craft.

00:41:39.216 --> 00:41:44.016
If I just went in and said, make this thing for me, and then just went off whatever

00:41:44.016 --> 00:41:48.556
it said, I would call that lazy, right? True. You wouldn't know how to make beer. Yeah.

00:41:49.936 --> 00:41:53.116
That question would have no value for you. No, but if you tweaked it,

00:41:53.156 --> 00:41:55.456
I feel like that's kind of what we're getting at. I know what you mean.

00:41:55.536 --> 00:42:00.216
And to your point as well, the CEO of the company I work for,

00:42:00.296 --> 00:42:03.916
one of them, engineers were getting scared.

00:42:04.156 --> 00:42:07.056
They're like, what is AI going to take our jobs or because it

00:42:07.056 --> 00:42:10.036
already kind of started a little bit and he just started laughing

00:42:10.036 --> 00:42:13.296
no you know what we have

00:42:13.296 --> 00:42:18.136
pilots right but planes fly themselves these days why do we have pilots I can

00:42:18.136 --> 00:42:21.276
tell you why we have pilots you know I have pilots I can tell you because you

00:42:21.276 --> 00:42:27.136
need somebody to know how shit should work so if shit hits the fan they're there

00:42:27.136 --> 00:42:30.896
to pretty much essentially as backup because they know how it works so in your

00:42:30.896 --> 00:42:32.136
example are the ones that take.

00:42:34.803 --> 00:42:38.503
Scott, do you want to chime in on this actually? Sometimes you're on a flight

00:42:38.503 --> 00:42:43.563
and you're coming back and you're midair and the pilot comes on the intercom and says,

00:42:43.743 --> 00:42:48.643
well, folks, we don't have any onboard computer and the autopilot's not working.

00:42:48.843 --> 00:42:50.183
So we're going back to Miami.

00:42:51.523 --> 00:42:56.503
It's not the worst message to get, but it's also like, what? We don't have what, bro?

00:42:57.303 --> 00:43:00.303
So, yeah. A computer sounds important. we need him

00:43:00.303 --> 00:43:02.983
for a couple more years at least from what i can

00:43:02.983 --> 00:43:06.563
tell yeah yeah from first-hand experience this was

00:43:06.563 --> 00:43:09.363
like two hundred percent but yeah point point being the full circle

00:43:09.363 --> 00:43:15.463
back to your thing like yeah like you know how to brew beer but so you can query

00:43:15.463 --> 00:43:18.203
ai to help enhance your craft and stuff but you at the end of the day are the

00:43:18.203 --> 00:43:22.243
one that knows yeah no what this is giving me this won't really work and i'd

00:43:22.243 --> 00:43:24.883
know that because of experience that was like to a seems point where it's like

00:43:24.883 --> 00:43:27.483
the type of questions you're asking like that question doesn't have any value

00:43:27.483 --> 00:43:28.403
the The guy knows how to make beer.

00:43:28.583 --> 00:43:31.963
True. But the guy who's making beer asks some more sophisticated questions that

00:43:31.963 --> 00:43:34.363
helps it to enhance or do something different or whatever.

00:43:34.483 --> 00:43:36.743
It just changes the way he does it. And your guys' background knowledge allows

00:43:36.743 --> 00:43:40.403
you to have the correct filter to then sift through the wrong answer because

00:43:40.403 --> 00:43:42.243
that's the issue with the internet. It's too vast.

00:43:42.703 --> 00:43:45.003
So you don't, you can ask, you can say, how do I lose weight?

00:43:45.103 --> 00:43:48.643
And you're going to get 15 different ways to lose weight in your first like three searches.

00:43:49.123 --> 00:43:52.243
So it's like, if you don't filter, if you don't have the correct filter going

00:43:52.243 --> 00:43:54.143
into it, it's going to be difficult because you're just going to take everything

00:43:54.143 --> 00:43:56.603
at face value. And there's so many wrong answers on the internet.

00:43:56.863 --> 00:43:59.743
Absolutely. Anyone can put something on the internet. That's the problem. True.

00:44:00.203 --> 00:44:03.203
So, yeah, I think, like, a good example of, like, a bad question versus a good

00:44:03.203 --> 00:44:05.343
question would be, like, how do I make a lot of money?

00:44:06.123 --> 00:44:08.403
Versus what are the traits of someone who makes a lot of money?

00:44:10.103 --> 00:44:14.183
I think that would come back to the same things that we've been saying.

00:44:15.603 --> 00:44:18.303
Tenacity, articulating questions, willing to listen and learn,

00:44:18.463 --> 00:44:20.463
shutting up. Yeah. Showing up. Oh, showing up.

00:44:21.223 --> 00:44:24.963
Shutting up. Shutting up, mate. Fuck up, rich guy. Hey, rich guy,

00:44:25.063 --> 00:44:28.463
shut the fuck up. Shut up and listen. I'm not going to say that might work.

00:44:29.143 --> 00:44:32.743
Another interesting thing. I consider every guy in this room right now,

00:44:32.943 --> 00:44:34.183
like a successful individual.

00:44:34.463 --> 00:44:38.563
And to see him and I have talked about it in the past, people have their diet,

00:44:39.123 --> 00:44:43.303
but also their mental diet. And I'm not surprised at all walking into this place.

00:44:43.483 --> 00:44:46.803
I'm like, Scott, you're a successful dude walking in here. And I see Sun Tzu

00:44:46.803 --> 00:44:50.063
art of war on your coffee table and books all around me and stuff like that.

00:44:50.203 --> 00:44:54.363
Obviously you're a cultured dude that feeds his mind with a bunch of different

00:44:54.363 --> 00:44:58.823
sources and stuff like that. And I definitely think that has some kind of play

00:44:58.823 --> 00:45:02.143
into where you're at now sort of thing. Mental diet's important.

00:45:02.323 --> 00:45:04.383
Even the music you listen to.

00:45:04.763 --> 00:45:08.103
The social diet. The social diet. Yeah, the people you surround yourself with,

00:45:08.143 --> 00:45:09.203
too, right? Because that's huge.

00:45:09.543 --> 00:45:13.063
Your circle is not people that inspire you and or people that move in the same direction as you.

00:45:14.078 --> 00:45:16.638
What are you doing? It's going to be tough. Because you either ascend or you

00:45:16.638 --> 00:45:19.378
descend, you don't really stay stagnant. So you're either going up or down.

00:45:19.478 --> 00:45:20.758
That light switches on or off, in my opinion.

00:45:21.258 --> 00:45:25.198
Yeah. So, yeah. I think that's, I mean, that was the first thing I noticed that

00:45:25.198 --> 00:45:27.478
first podcast when you guys brought me on. It was the books in here.

00:45:27.638 --> 00:45:31.738
And it's like, oh, this guy is constantly trying to download info. Too much. Too much.

00:45:33.138 --> 00:45:36.178
It's good, though. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, I mean. Okay.

00:45:36.498 --> 00:45:40.678
Yeah, if you want to follow that thread, I don't know, like a thirst for,

00:45:40.878 --> 00:45:42.398
I was going to say knowledge.

00:45:42.398 --> 00:45:45.618
I guess that's it, which is kind of like to your point on the questions,

00:45:45.618 --> 00:45:49.938
asking the right questions, like how hungry is this person really want knowledge

00:45:49.938 --> 00:45:54.818
or they want to ask a question I can like get like a quick, like fix of attention for, you know,

00:45:55.438 --> 00:45:58.238
which again, like I'll hit them with the fix of attention. I'll give them it.

00:45:58.578 --> 00:46:02.358
Yeah. But are we going to have a real conversation? But the pursuit of the further

00:46:02.358 --> 00:46:04.458
understanding is what I think. That's what you're talking about.

00:46:04.498 --> 00:46:07.278
Yeah, is what I think is going to allow someone to truly ascend beyond.

00:46:07.498 --> 00:46:11.738
I mean, on a timeline, you put everyone together. I think that person is going to go way further.

00:46:11.738 --> 00:46:14.918
Because it also allows them to have a longer shelf life right it's

00:46:14.918 --> 00:46:18.438
like uh we talked about intrinsic versus extrinsic uh

00:46:18.438 --> 00:46:21.398
motivators on the last one the episode that hasn't been released yet

00:46:21.398 --> 00:46:24.178
but it's like and you said something that blew my mind i never thought

00:46:24.178 --> 00:46:27.658
of it this way which is the ones who last the longest are the ones who are intrinsically

00:46:27.658 --> 00:46:32.038
or become intrinsically motivated because extrinsic has a shelf life it dies

00:46:32.038 --> 00:46:37.218
it comes and goes so i think same thing with uh this stuff it's the same kind

00:46:37.218 --> 00:46:43.018
of a concept for sure yeah absolutely yeah i mean on the mental diet thing like on that.

00:46:44.258 --> 00:46:47.058
There's definitely like it's very

00:46:47.058 --> 00:46:51.958
easy to get caught up in the just seeing there's so much shit available to you

00:46:51.958 --> 00:46:56.958
you can sit there and just fucking digest it all but getting it there's a way

00:46:56.958 --> 00:47:02.578
because like I look at social media a lot but not all the time but I look at

00:47:02.578 --> 00:47:04.498
it a lot because I'm trying to see,

00:47:05.098 --> 00:47:10.578
and cut through and see like alright I'm trying to accomplish x y and z thing,

00:47:11.078 --> 00:47:14.598
Let's find those, let's find people who are doing that at whatever level.

00:47:14.738 --> 00:47:18.638
And let's see, look through the actual, I mean, you guys talked about like the face value, right?

00:47:18.758 --> 00:47:21.318
Cause you can look at something and be like, Oh, this person has this thing

00:47:21.318 --> 00:47:25.238
and the same, but like, what did they do? Not what, what are they doing?

00:47:26.058 --> 00:47:29.778
What are the things that they are doing? What traits are they?

00:47:29.998 --> 00:47:32.758
What things are they trying to do? What are they trying to be?

00:47:32.978 --> 00:47:34.558
What traits do they have?

00:47:34.778 --> 00:47:38.518
Not what things do they have or what are they showing me?

00:47:38.518 --> 00:47:41.538
It's all right how did this person grind

00:47:41.538 --> 00:47:46.798
to get here right you can sit there and or what kind of things is this person

00:47:46.798 --> 00:47:54.698
um doing outside of what they're showing us and actually studying like human

00:47:54.698 --> 00:47:59.158
behavior right to see all right if i yeah you can sit there and post pictures

00:47:59.158 --> 00:48:00.758
of whatever bullshit but.

00:48:01.457 --> 00:48:06.757
What, what are you actually doing? Are you, what, what is the things happening

00:48:06.757 --> 00:48:08.897
behind this? You go into the gym every day.

00:48:09.057 --> 00:48:12.717
Are you, um, how are you structuring your training?

00:48:13.297 --> 00:48:16.477
How are you actually structuring your day that you're not showing us?

00:48:16.597 --> 00:48:19.997
And you can sit there and start to like study these things and like pick up

00:48:19.997 --> 00:48:21.297
patterns and what people do.

00:48:21.457 --> 00:48:27.297
And, um, you know, you can, you can use social media the right way and not just

00:48:27.297 --> 00:48:29.077
as like some doom scroll, right.

00:48:29.077 --> 00:48:31.777
Which is very easy to get caught into like you sit there

00:48:31.777 --> 00:48:34.537
and scroll through because there's shit fucking flashing at you just

00:48:34.537 --> 00:48:37.357
spend all day window shopping yeah just window shopping people's

00:48:37.357 --> 00:48:40.557
lives yeah but like you know if you actually look at look try

00:48:40.557 --> 00:48:43.537
to you know open kind of with your analogy there

00:48:43.537 --> 00:48:46.477
try to like open the door you know knock on the door and look inside

00:48:46.477 --> 00:48:49.557
and actually go in and start to really explore

00:48:49.557 --> 00:48:52.377
it because like you can you can scroll back all the way in history

00:48:52.377 --> 00:48:55.497
on their shit right you can see where they started you see like changes

00:48:55.497 --> 00:48:58.977
occur you can start to like see all this shit it's fucking

00:48:58.977 --> 00:49:01.677
intense you can go down some wild rabbit holes when you

00:49:01.677 --> 00:49:04.817
start dude you you just got my brain going crazy

00:49:04.817 --> 00:49:08.697
because you just said something that asim and i talked about the other day and

00:49:08.697 --> 00:49:12.537
that's even with this podcast like you got to start in this thing up people

00:49:12.537 --> 00:49:17.357
get in analysis paralysis so hard and wait for everything to be perfect before

00:49:17.357 --> 00:49:22.177
they jump into something and when you said kind of like scrolling back to the

00:49:22.177 --> 00:49:23.497
very beginning think Think of your favorite,

00:49:23.717 --> 00:49:27.137
and I said this on a different episode, but think about your favorite YouTube

00:49:27.137 --> 00:49:31.657
channel or page you subscribe to or fighter or whoever.

00:49:32.177 --> 00:49:35.777
Scroll back to the very first post that they have or very first video.

00:49:35.977 --> 00:49:39.477
Guarantee you it's not as high quality as what they're currently posting right now.

00:49:39.637 --> 00:49:43.597
And it's because sometimes you just need to kind of go for it.

00:49:43.757 --> 00:49:49.937
Well, and you see a lot of these guys, the ones that are the most genuinely successful,

00:49:49.937 --> 00:49:56.057
like guys who actually are successful because of what they're doing not they're

00:49:56.057 --> 00:49:59.817
not just showing you some success that isn't like what they're doing isn't why

00:49:59.817 --> 00:50:02.977
they're successful right they're just showing you these things to make it seem like.

00:50:03.690 --> 00:50:08.070
You know, the fitness influencer that's really got billions of dollars because

00:50:08.070 --> 00:50:09.490
they sold a tech company, right?

00:50:09.590 --> 00:50:16.310
Like that guy didn't become, he's, he's just, this is a symptom of why they became rich.

00:50:16.450 --> 00:50:19.370
And now they're showing the world, but really like, you know,

00:50:19.430 --> 00:50:23.730
take for example, there's Ilya Tepuria is, was rich before he started fighting.

00:50:24.090 --> 00:50:27.070
Same thing with Armin Sarukian. Like these are just rich guys that are fighting.

00:50:27.490 --> 00:50:30.570
And I think that's the, the, the, the

00:50:30.570 --> 00:50:33.290
hard part with social media is people window shop too

00:50:33.290 --> 00:50:36.550
much and they'll look at someone's like current state

00:50:36.550 --> 00:50:40.170
or their end picture and then try to emulate or they'll

00:50:40.170 --> 00:50:44.010
not only try to emulate but they'll also try to compare against what

00:50:44.010 --> 00:50:47.870
they're seeing now rather than looking back at like oh scott's

00:50:47.870 --> 00:50:50.470
a black belt i'm not gonna be doing scott shit on the

00:50:50.470 --> 00:50:53.250
mats right now what was scott doing when he was at my part of the journey

00:50:53.250 --> 00:50:55.970
and then how do i then what was i what

00:50:55.970 --> 00:50:59.530
do i need to do now at this part and what was he doing now at this part to then

00:50:59.530 --> 00:51:02.790
eventually get to where he is you know so stuff like that it's like if you look

00:51:02.790 --> 00:51:07.050
at a ceo of a company that you admire don't do what he's doing today look at

00:51:07.050 --> 00:51:10.510
what he was doing when he was at your point yep and then do those things but

00:51:10.510 --> 00:51:14.930
the issue is people window shop too much and then pass judgment or comparison on that window shopping.

00:51:15.570 --> 00:51:22.710
Yeah i mean in a lot of those guys you can see they fail over and over and over

00:51:22.710 --> 00:51:25.830
and over again and keep going and keep going.

00:51:26.150 --> 00:51:29.890
And then eventually they find the thing that sticks and then they go,

00:51:30.130 --> 00:51:32.430
all right, this is what I need to be doing.

00:51:32.750 --> 00:51:35.130
And they're doing that thing. Then that thing stops working.

00:51:35.310 --> 00:51:39.550
Then they adapt again. So like you can watch these progressions occur.

00:51:40.130 --> 00:51:45.270
And same thing on the mats, actually, because that's what jujitsu is, right?

00:51:45.830 --> 00:51:49.010
Keep going, keep trying new things. Keep showing up. Find the thing that works,

00:51:49.090 --> 00:51:52.210
keep showing up. Showing up. That should be the name of this episode.

00:51:52.370 --> 00:51:56.110
Keep showing up. Just show up. And the adaptability, you touched on that.

00:51:56.270 --> 00:51:58.830
Because honestly, whether you're a grappler, a lifter, whatever...

00:52:00.666 --> 00:52:04.326
Anybody having a good day or a good rolling day, whatever.

00:52:04.606 --> 00:52:07.546
When stuff is good, yeah, it's easy to be good.

00:52:07.786 --> 00:52:11.506
How about when you're faced with actual adversity? You're facing a tough opponent

00:52:11.506 --> 00:52:15.506
that you're not used to. Or you're having a bad day. Your body battery is low or whatever.

00:52:15.726 --> 00:52:19.026
The people that have the tenacity to be able to push through that and adapt

00:52:19.026 --> 00:52:22.606
to it, those are the real people that will be successful in my mind.

00:52:24.746 --> 00:52:28.046
This, I think, is connected to what Asim was saying earlier with like people

00:52:28.046 --> 00:52:30.906
who ask actual thoughtful questions.

00:52:31.146 --> 00:52:33.326
And I think the root of it is like, are you really trying to learn?

00:52:33.586 --> 00:52:34.466
Are you really trying to learn here?

00:52:35.006 --> 00:52:37.986
And the adaptability comes with that, which is also the thing you said with

00:52:37.986 --> 00:52:40.526
resourcefulness, where someone's like, if they really want something,

00:52:40.626 --> 00:52:43.066
they really want to learn when they ask that question, like you'll know if it's

00:52:43.066 --> 00:52:44.106
a thoughtful question or not.

00:52:44.666 --> 00:52:50.546
And then the ability to, like if that's in you, like if you really mean it,

00:52:50.666 --> 00:52:53.166
when you ask whatever the question is, you have to adapt.

00:52:53.566 --> 00:52:55.306
You're asking it because you feel like you don't have the answer.

00:52:55.546 --> 00:52:56.846
If you had the answer, you wouldn't ask it.

00:52:58.166 --> 00:53:01.306
So yeah and so like are you ready for adaptation are you

00:53:01.306 --> 00:53:03.906
ready to take on new resources like it's you have to have like

00:53:03.906 --> 00:53:06.706
a mental agility to be able to say like fuck i have to gear shift i

00:53:06.706 --> 00:53:09.606
can't continue to do the same thing over and over again otherwise i

00:53:09.606 --> 00:53:12.466
actually don't mean this question i'm asking absolutely and i think on that

00:53:12.466 --> 00:53:15.486
too like i think where people get messed up is when the picture looks different

00:53:15.486 --> 00:53:18.966
if they don't understand the principle of what it is they're doing when the

00:53:18.966 --> 00:53:22.546
picture looks different they go deer in headlights and they don't know how to

00:53:22.546 --> 00:53:27.586
apply because they practiced that specific scenario and that specific position,

00:53:27.586 --> 00:53:30.606
but they didn't think about the principle of how it works that's not adaptable.

00:53:30.806 --> 00:53:34.226
A good example, completely not related to lifting or jiu-jitsu,

00:53:34.406 --> 00:53:37.726
is snowboarding. I took one of our employees. I was not expecting him to say snowboarding.

00:53:38.986 --> 00:53:41.826
I was like looking at him and I'm like, snowboarding. Yeah, yeah.

00:53:42.386 --> 00:53:45.826
So I took him snowboarding back in a... We talked about snowboarding.

00:53:46.006 --> 00:53:49.206
Right. Yeah, weird. Oh, wow. Yeah. Who's the snowboarder here?

00:53:49.818 --> 00:53:52.858
Uh we were alex when we're yeah when we're in

00:53:52.858 --> 00:53:56.138
the last episode yeah she's doing a uh nga commentary oh

00:53:56.138 --> 00:53:59.478
you were on the groups everyone's on the group chat yeah yeah group deep

00:53:59.478 --> 00:54:02.178
state you group yeah dude it's probably the deep state

00:54:02.178 --> 00:54:04.878
conspiracy of course it's the deep state they're trying to jam my

00:54:04.878 --> 00:54:08.978
communications um but

00:54:08.978 --> 00:54:11.678
no so i was talking with him and i i brought one of our employees out to uh

00:54:11.678 --> 00:54:14.958
colorado and it's first time he's ever seen a mountain of his magnitude and

00:54:14.958 --> 00:54:17.618
we're riding i'm showing himself and i told him i was like hey are you

00:54:17.618 --> 00:54:20.418
now ready to go to the top and he freaked out he's

00:54:20.418 --> 00:54:22.618
like i don't want to do it i was like listen what you don't understand is as

00:54:22.618 --> 00:54:23.298
long as you understand the

00:54:23.298 --> 00:54:25.998
principles you're still making the same turns the terrain is what's

00:54:25.998 --> 00:54:29.438
different if you focus on learning how this principle of riding a snowboard

00:54:29.438 --> 00:54:32.658
works you can ride any mountain but if you focus on riding the mountain you'll

00:54:32.658 --> 00:54:36.038
only be able to ride that mountain so instead of just trying to ride that terrain

00:54:36.038 --> 00:54:39.038
and stay in your greens and blues forget the colors understand the principle

00:54:39.038 --> 00:54:42.198
of how this thing works and we can go anywhere and you know what else dude it's

00:54:42.198 --> 00:54:44.118
just It's a bunch of micro goals. Exactly.

00:54:44.718 --> 00:54:47.498
Left and right. Look at the circle. I know, man. They're circling it back.

00:54:48.118 --> 00:54:50.958
It's just a bunch of micro goals. Hey, look, you're getting down the bunny hills.

00:54:51.078 --> 00:54:52.738
You're getting down to one or two greens. You're going to top them out,

00:54:52.738 --> 00:54:54.218
and you just got to do that four or five times in a row.

00:54:54.438 --> 00:54:58.838
Yeah. Just a couple bunny slopes and some greens. All it is is like six bunny slopes connected.

00:54:59.178 --> 00:55:00.978
In Colorado, that's like 12. Yeah.

00:55:02.318 --> 00:55:04.498
That's awesome. It's the best place to ski in the United States.

00:55:04.838 --> 00:55:08.118
Absolutely. But it's the same thing. Utah. You like Utah, man?

00:55:08.838 --> 00:55:12.378
I like caffeine. I like caffeine, man. I stay in Colorado. Trudette. Trudette.

00:55:12.918 --> 00:55:18.298
Some craft beers. Hey, some craft beers, buddy. Caffeine and alcohol above 3.2%. Yeah. Yeah, dude.

00:55:18.778 --> 00:55:22.738
Yeah. They're like 6,000 feet above sea level. Yeah. Oh, dude.

00:55:22.858 --> 00:55:26.498
It hits different. Colorado. Fuck yeah, dude. Shout out to the Mile High City. Yes.

00:55:27.178 --> 00:55:31.618
Oh. Ooh. Ooh. You stay there, Cal, dude. Don't say anything.

00:55:31.698 --> 00:55:32.398
Oh, Habibi. Drink coffee.

00:55:32.838 --> 00:55:37.898
You can think. We have a surprise guest. We have a, yes. We have a, we have a watchful eye.

00:55:37.998 --> 00:55:41.138
Some hairy monster just walked into my house. My long-lost lover. Yeah.

00:55:41.538 --> 00:55:45.958
Not so long, not so lost, but he is your lover. Well, what other,

00:55:45.958 --> 00:55:47.838
what other questions you got on there for us, Nate?

00:55:48.518 --> 00:55:51.118
I actually think we covered everything that I had brought to the table.

00:55:51.338 --> 00:55:54.318
I think the, you asked one in a group chat a couple of weeks ago,

00:55:54.438 --> 00:55:59.978
which was, um, about, um, your employee, like, uh, coaches, bringing up coaches and stuff like that.

00:56:01.138 --> 00:56:05.358
Um, we could do that for probably another 45 minutes. I mean,

00:56:05.438 --> 00:56:07.658
I mean, for real. Yeah. We all have a long commute.

00:56:08.318 --> 00:56:11.838
Well, yeah. Yeah. Should we make that a separate episode? Let's save that for

00:56:11.838 --> 00:56:13.458
another episode. That's a good one. Yeah.

00:56:14.178 --> 00:56:16.198
Developing and building your assistant coaches and teammates.

00:56:16.438 --> 00:56:19.338
We can talk about White Monsters. We don't want to White Monsters.

00:56:19.778 --> 00:56:21.938
Hey, let me have a quick one, fun one.

00:56:22.638 --> 00:56:24.778
How good of a pre-workout is that White Monsters?

00:56:25.395 --> 00:56:27.075
Because a total amount of liquid,

00:56:27.235 --> 00:56:30.935
it's not great. He comes into like the straight, like legit answer.

00:56:31.055 --> 00:56:34.075
Do you want me to debate this? I do. I want to know. Let's do it. Let's do it.

00:56:34.655 --> 00:56:37.215
The white monster debate. Good question. What are we comparing?

00:56:37.215 --> 00:56:38.135
I love this. How about this?

00:56:38.255 --> 00:56:41.275
I'll give you three. Fun fact, for those who missed out on this great opportunity,

00:56:41.275 --> 00:56:45.655
we went on for an hour debating Wawa versus Sheets. You too?

00:56:46.915 --> 00:56:51.555
Hey, no, we got to do it. Who won? Sheets won. Nate, Nate, it's ongoing.

00:56:51.915 --> 00:56:54.715
Here, here's the quick version of that, and I think we should do it on a show.

00:56:55.095 --> 00:56:58.175
Okay. And Khaldun can, he'll be like our, he'll serve us with sandwiches.

00:56:59.895 --> 00:57:03.075
Are we going to do a blind, a blind wallabber? Yes, we are. Yes,

00:57:03.135 --> 00:57:05.855
we are. And I'll tell you why. A blind taste. Look where I'm from.

00:57:06.595 --> 00:57:08.995
Khaldun, were you there from this conversation when I was ranting about this?

00:57:08.995 --> 00:57:10.235
You're from the Sheets, right? No, no.

00:57:10.915 --> 00:57:15.495
Dude, we don't have either. Oh. Like, Central Kentucky.

00:57:16.375 --> 00:57:20.215
Sheets stops around, like, West Virginia. What do you all got out there? Ah.

00:57:20.555 --> 00:57:23.875
Do you have Buc-ee's? It's bi-coastal elite over here. No, we don't have Buc-ee's.

00:57:23.875 --> 00:57:26.355
We might eventually get Bucky's. Everyone's getting a Bucky's.

00:57:26.475 --> 00:57:28.555
For real. Have you seen what they pay their employees, by the way?

00:57:28.655 --> 00:57:29.755
I'm about to work for Bucky's.

00:57:29.875 --> 00:57:32.275
I hear it's very good. Yeah. Five guys, bro. No secret.

00:57:32.695 --> 00:57:35.455
It's because the burgers are $45. I love those burgers.

00:57:36.635 --> 00:57:40.795
Well, where I'm from, we don't have, like, good quality gas station sandwiches.

00:57:41.135 --> 00:57:44.835
We don't. We have trash quality gas station sandwiches. Shout out to obesity.

00:57:48.035 --> 00:57:51.815
Like, we don't have, like, we don't have, like, the concept of,

00:57:51.895 --> 00:57:54.595
like, I'm stopping to get gas. This place also has a sweet sandwich.

00:57:54.735 --> 00:57:55.755
It doesn't exist where I'm from.

00:57:56.215 --> 00:57:59.895
So when I moved here, all you East Coasters were...

00:58:00.515 --> 00:58:03.515
East of the Appalachians, y'all are East Coasters, right? I don't know.

00:58:03.595 --> 00:58:07.535
Fair enough. I mean, by definition, we are, in fact, a coastal state.

00:58:07.675 --> 00:58:08.955
You are. You are. Yes, we are.

00:58:09.195 --> 00:58:13.595
Well, anyways, so everyone around here has an opinion. Everyone's like, oh, I love Wawa.

00:58:13.935 --> 00:58:16.775
I like sheets. I like this. I like that. I'm like, dog, I don't eat any of these

00:58:16.775 --> 00:58:19.975
goddamn sandwiches because I didn't think it was acceptable food to eat.

00:58:20.235 --> 00:58:22.455
I'm like, people don't eat... I feel that. I mean, by the way,

00:58:22.535 --> 00:58:25.555
by the way, by the way, I know I have a lot of books. I don't want to sound like an elitist.

00:58:26.115 --> 00:58:28.635
I've eaten a lot of trash food in my life. You guys want to talk about the best

00:58:28.635 --> 00:58:32.835
chicken fingers and the blind chicken finger test one day? I can do that. And the dipping sauces.

00:58:33.115 --> 00:58:35.195
I got you. I can get grime. All right?

00:58:35.995 --> 00:58:39.135
But the point is, like, I don't think. Burger King chicken fingers from,

00:58:39.175 --> 00:58:40.555
like, 10 years ago? I can do, I don't know the chicken fingers,

00:58:40.635 --> 00:58:42.135
the chicken, uh, chicken fries.

00:58:42.375 --> 00:58:44.495
Yeah, the chicken fries. Yeah, the chicken fries from, like,

00:58:44.575 --> 00:58:45.775
what, eight years ago? Oh, my God.

00:58:45.995 --> 00:58:48.015
They're like, these aren't fingers. Not that chickens have fingers.

00:58:48.015 --> 00:58:51.215
But like to me chicken fingers is like much classier than a chicken fry.

00:58:52.155 --> 00:58:57.115
Distinguished Jackson I only eat chicken fingers I draw the line at fingers

00:58:57.115 --> 00:59:01.395
I don't do fries the less shaping that took place the better the mush but yes

00:59:01.395 --> 00:59:05.755
I've had them and I can compare the barbecue sauces amongst Wendy's McDonald's

00:59:05.755 --> 00:59:06.795
and Burger King who's better?

00:59:07.055 --> 00:59:09.275
I think McDonald's has the best why? cause of the goo,

00:59:09.822 --> 00:59:12.562
Interesting. Because of the goo? Chemical goo. Something about that chemical

00:59:12.562 --> 00:59:15.542
goo that got into me when I was like a kid, I still think about it.

00:59:15.662 --> 00:59:17.022
I think I still have some of me as well.

00:59:17.322 --> 00:59:19.482
Is there corn starch to sauce ratio?

00:59:20.842 --> 00:59:24.762
They all pretty much have the same plastic form for like scoopability.

00:59:25.322 --> 00:59:28.142
So like, you know, that's kind of good. You know, they all have like the same

00:59:28.142 --> 00:59:30.542
access and functionality.

00:59:31.442 --> 00:59:34.542
It's to me, I really think it's the chemical goo. Like something in it,

00:59:34.622 --> 00:59:36.042
like it's like in my cerebral cortex.

00:59:36.142 --> 00:59:39.222
And I'm like, man, I like that weird like scientific tang that they add to the

00:59:39.222 --> 00:59:41.622
barbecue. And then we scoop it, there's just more product on it.

00:59:41.822 --> 00:59:45.022
Maybe. It is stickier. It is gooey. I mean, it's like jasmine rice is definitely

00:59:45.022 --> 00:59:46.642
better than basmati, but for that reason.

00:59:47.382 --> 00:59:51.182
Wait, wait, wait. You get more per scoop. It's less work to eat jasmine.

00:59:51.822 --> 00:59:54.502
Basmati is such a fucking pain in the ass to eat. Dude, you're picking up one

00:59:54.502 --> 00:59:55.962
grain at a fucking time with basmati.

00:59:56.002 --> 00:59:57.582
We're on that basmati kick right

00:59:57.582 --> 00:59:59.902
now. Jasmine is the way. That's what they had at the store at the time.

01:00:00.042 --> 01:00:02.502
Dude, it's so, so frustrating to eat.

01:00:02.742 --> 01:00:05.702
Yeah, yeah. Dude, I got some rice to eat. As a white boy, I don't really feel

01:00:05.702 --> 01:00:09.322
like I'm qualified to talk about rice that much. I have my preferences. Kaltun.

01:00:11.182 --> 01:00:14.202
To your chicken tenders I've been talking about chicken tenders

01:00:14.202 --> 01:00:16.982
and ranch dressing but like for real like when it comes to rice I'm

01:00:16.982 --> 01:00:19.882
like I think I buy basmati and I like it or I get

01:00:19.882 --> 01:00:24.222
jasmine sometimes yeah I'm on team I guess white boy with Scott here I'm not

01:00:24.222 --> 01:00:28.762
a rice expert but I have it's all about efficiency and by changing everyone's

01:00:28.762 --> 01:00:32.382
diet now alright last thing on the Wawa thing because I actually don't know

01:00:32.382 --> 01:00:35.242
that I've ever had any one of them we're gonna get like a side by side it was

01:00:35.242 --> 01:00:38.862
Wawa sheets and there was one other right probably Royal Fimes I mean added.

01:00:40.242 --> 01:00:41.262
There's another good one, though.

01:00:41.382 --> 01:00:43.422
There's another good one. We're going to do a blind tasting.

01:00:43.522 --> 01:00:44.822
Hey, what's like the Jersey folks?

01:00:45.202 --> 01:00:48.322
Do they have something? I don't think it's a Wawa or a Sheets.

01:00:48.542 --> 01:00:51.702
Jersey folks. That's too far north for me, bro. Look at you guys.

01:00:52.482 --> 01:00:55.122
Here I am driving to Missouri. I stick to good old Virginia.

01:00:55.462 --> 01:00:58.122
Yesterday I saw one I never heard of before. I can't even remember what it was. What?

01:00:58.222 --> 01:01:01.482
It was like a green and white logo. I went to a gas station. Is it like a BP?

01:01:02.042 --> 01:01:04.562
I don't know. It was something. It was British. It was calling out BP.

01:01:04.902 --> 01:01:07.542
They're the ones that messed up all the ducts and stuff, man.

01:01:07.622 --> 01:01:08.642
Stay away from that. They were sorry.

01:01:08.862 --> 01:01:11.902
Right by the way by the way we have bps

01:01:11.902 --> 01:01:14.642
we have bps in kentucky like where i'm from you go there you

01:01:14.642 --> 01:01:17.262
get your gas yeah it's a gas station but bp ain't got

01:01:17.262 --> 01:01:20.942
no sandwiches not here in virginia you gotta eat a sandwich too my actual takeaway

01:01:20.942 --> 01:01:24.962
was like when i i'm pretty sure it's like a maryland in pennsylvania thing dude

01:01:24.962 --> 01:01:28.142
well those are regional i think it's those are regional things no no it goes

01:01:28.142 --> 01:01:31.582
all the way even north carolina has these it goes up to like the northeast dude

01:01:31.582 --> 01:01:34.922
when i drove to new york at the beginning of the year like i saw all these fucking

01:01:34.922 --> 01:01:36.402
concepts hit stop flying j,

01:01:37.082 --> 01:01:40.242
there was a couple there was like one other if you heard it you would say you

01:01:40.242 --> 01:01:43.522
would say yeah dude like this is Flying J is a truck stop,

01:01:44.256 --> 01:01:47.076
But, fuck what was I going to say? Anyway, sandwich-related talk.

01:01:47.216 --> 01:01:49.276
It was just sandwich-related talk. Sandwich talk. Sandwich talk.

01:01:49.436 --> 01:01:50.876
Yeah, we go into like- Gas station sandwich.

01:01:51.076 --> 01:01:53.996
Gas station sandwiches. But, oh yeah, here's what it was, which was like,

01:01:54.056 --> 01:02:00.456
I'm impressed by the ingenuity, the entrepreneurship for the people who created

01:02:00.456 --> 01:02:02.656
these gas station sandwiches. Gas isn't enough.

01:02:03.496 --> 01:02:07.896
Aside from like assorted like weird snacks, like I want to add in actual made sandwiches.

01:02:08.196 --> 01:02:12.056
When I'm filling up gas, I have a hankering. By the way, by the way,

01:02:12.216 --> 01:02:16.076
dude, because it makes a lot of sense. It actually makes perfect sense when you think about it.

01:02:16.416 --> 01:02:20.216
Like, dude, I do road trips all the time. I usually starve to death.

01:02:20.516 --> 01:02:24.696
So, like, but, like, why don't I just stop and get a decent sandwich while I'm at it?

01:02:24.996 --> 01:02:28.476
It makes perfect. At the same time. It's like a kiosk. You just click the screen.

01:02:28.656 --> 01:02:29.536
Dude, it makes perfect sense.

01:02:29.856 --> 01:02:33.716
Yeah, dude. And then while you're there, you might as well go ahead and top the tank off.

01:02:33.956 --> 01:02:36.656
That's what I'm saying. Or vice versa, dude. You've got to top the tank off.

01:02:36.716 --> 01:02:40.116
And if you've been driving for, like, 18 hours, like, I'm one motherfucker to do.

01:02:40.476 --> 01:02:44.016
You got to eat. You got to eat. So it's, I'm impressed by the,

01:02:44.016 --> 01:02:45.276
uh, the capitalism of it all.

01:02:45.376 --> 01:02:47.256
That's smart. We should think about how to apply that to like,

01:02:47.456 --> 01:02:50.076
you can get food and you can get a white monster all in one go.

01:02:51.416 --> 01:02:54.676
We'll finish on that. So back to the white monster. Here's your quick side by

01:02:54.676 --> 01:02:56.056
side. We'll wrap and whatever.

01:02:57.056 --> 01:03:00.216
White monster, cup of coffee and like pre-workout powder.

01:03:00.496 --> 01:03:04.716
Go. Oof. All right. Pre-workout powder, then coffee and then white monster.

01:03:04.836 --> 01:03:06.676
In that order. In that order. And that's like one to three.

01:03:06.976 --> 01:03:10.036
One to three. And this is why, um, when I say, when I'm saying cup of coffee,

01:03:10.116 --> 01:03:10.696
I'm going with espresso.

01:03:10.876 --> 01:03:14.916
I'm an espresso guy. Nothing else. whatever you want um traditional caffeine

01:03:14.916 --> 01:03:17.616
all three all three are gonna send you give you an

01:03:17.616 --> 01:03:20.476
exit signal to the bathroom so that's just that's blanket statement we can't

01:03:20.476 --> 01:03:23.116
have that as a comparison true that uh pre-workout at least is gonna give you

01:03:23.116 --> 01:03:26.296
extra ingredients that are gonna help you with the workout arginine beta

01:03:26.296 --> 01:03:29.636
alanine like the face itchy stuff yeah that's nice the things that make your

01:03:29.636 --> 01:03:33.696
face feel like a meth head yeah for sure but it's also less liquid you don't

01:03:33.696 --> 01:03:35.856
want to be feeling like a water balloon while you're warming up and squatting

01:03:35.856 --> 01:03:39.076
and doing shit like that then you go to coffee which is a little bit more it's

01:03:39.076 --> 01:03:43.416
direct it's it's the espresso shots are small, right? Two, four, six ounces.

01:03:44.256 --> 01:03:48.616
But as long as you don't put milk in there, it's going to be effective caffeine dose.

01:03:48.936 --> 01:03:51.836
You don't get all the benefits you get from a pre-workout that has all the other

01:03:51.836 --> 01:03:53.296
stuff, which is also just chemical shit.

01:03:53.776 --> 01:03:59.036
But you don't have this big ass can of liquid shaking around your stomach like the white monster.

01:03:59.156 --> 01:04:02.276
A white monster is great as like on your way to the gym. But I'd say like right

01:04:02.276 --> 01:04:05.656
before the gym, I probably wouldn't. Otherwise, just sip on it during the workout.

01:04:06.496 --> 01:04:09.556
It's just way too much liquid. You don't like to slosh around during your sets?

01:04:09.896 --> 01:04:11.816
No, dude. I mean, it might make you brace better against that belt.

01:04:11.816 --> 01:04:14.816
Is the white monster, does that contain carbonation?

01:04:15.336 --> 01:04:17.636
It's got bubbles, right? Does it have bubbles in it? By the way,

01:04:17.696 --> 01:04:19.916
the people that drink the energy drinks without carbonation,

01:04:20.016 --> 01:04:22.136
y'all are weird. I'm just saying. I'm sorry.

01:04:22.416 --> 01:04:24.416
I don't understand. I need the bubbles.

01:04:25.076 --> 01:04:28.096
But wait, we didn't finish. Who wins? She eats her wallah.

01:04:28.416 --> 01:04:31.496
I don't know. We don't know. I literally don't know. That's another wine taste.

01:04:31.616 --> 01:04:34.096
That's the point of the... No, we went on for an hour, then we went on to another

01:04:34.096 --> 01:04:36.176
thing. We started... I asked the question about burgers after that.

01:04:36.336 --> 01:04:38.536
Oh, I can do that. Who makes the best burgers? I can do burgers.

01:04:38.756 --> 01:04:41.416
Then I asked... do you like the outside of the bun toast or the inside of

01:04:41.416 --> 01:04:44.196
the bun toast i love the inside that inside if you're gonna toast it

01:04:44.196 --> 01:04:47.136
yeah dude that inside is i i then tried to my my

01:04:47.136 --> 01:04:49.716
so by the way we should do that we'll do

01:04:49.716 --> 01:04:52.416
it at your spot you got a little more space we'll do a side by side we'll set up a table we'll do

01:04:52.416 --> 01:04:55.376
some sandwiches i'll blindfold you yes and burgers

01:04:55.376 --> 01:04:59.476
burger spots but here's the thing no blindfold him because he knows he knows

01:04:59.476 --> 01:05:02.896
them i don't need to blindfold i've never had any of them i'll just rank them

01:05:02.896 --> 01:05:06.836
but we could do two concurrent tests because he has had them so the blindfold

01:05:06.836 --> 01:05:08.916
makes sense for the guys though like you can buy from me like i don't know it

01:05:08.916 --> 01:05:13.236
tastes like a sandwich and i like it you're like oh it was whoa i'm like i've never had,

01:05:13.876 --> 01:05:20.156
dude i'm like yes so anyways food for thought hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey food for thought.

01:05:21.996 --> 01:05:25.476
Burgers i could definitely do but i want to break them into classes of food

01:05:25.476 --> 01:05:30.456
oh i like like a tea or last one or two patties oh two smash burger cheese in

01:05:30.456 --> 01:05:35.756
between cheese on top both facts if i have to pick is it really a double cheese

01:05:35.756 --> 01:05:37.516
if you don't put cheese on both patties dude

01:05:37.956 --> 01:05:40.256
Yeah, you gotta cheese that bitch up, bro. Yeah.

01:05:40.696 --> 01:05:43.436
Cheese that motherfucker up. Smash Patties or no? I like them.

01:05:43.876 --> 01:05:47.376
I do like them, but depends on what we're doing, right? Like...

01:05:48.343 --> 01:05:51.823
Eating experience, love a smash burger. How much protein do I need?

01:05:52.083 --> 01:05:54.483
Comments on top or bottom? Everywhere.

01:05:55.743 --> 01:05:59.483
All three spots? I would say so. Interesting. I just need to taste it.

01:05:59.703 --> 01:06:03.203
Smothered. Are you... Just let me taste. I don't use crazy ingredients,

01:06:03.343 --> 01:06:05.743
by the way. There's two types of people. There's those who dip their burgers?

01:06:06.003 --> 01:06:08.503
I do both, dude, because I'm a freak. Or do you put it inside?

01:06:08.583 --> 01:06:10.503
I do both. You do both? I do both, because I'm a freak.

01:06:10.863 --> 01:06:14.583
Yeah, dude, they don't sauce it enough, man. There's no place...

01:06:14.583 --> 01:06:15.163
You know what I'm saying.

01:06:15.903 --> 01:06:18.143
I know exactly. I'm the man after mine.

01:06:18.923 --> 01:06:21.903
The dip ability see this is the thing the dip you're guaranteed the amount of

01:06:21.903 --> 01:06:24.463
flavor that you want you're like I know how much ketchup I know how much whatever

01:06:24.463 --> 01:06:26.123
goo is gonna be on the next bite,

01:06:26.703 --> 01:06:31.543
yeah it makes perfect sense so look if I needed to choose dip thousand percent

01:06:31.543 --> 01:06:34.163
there we go if I had to choose I was like oh man where am I gonna put I'm like

01:06:34.163 --> 01:06:37.783
it's guaranteed I can measure it the little flag they put in keep it in keep

01:06:37.783 --> 01:06:40.523
it out get rid of it my man cut it in half or keep it in whole

01:06:40.923 --> 01:06:42.903
depends on how big the burger is bro doesn't matter,

01:06:43.503 --> 01:06:48.863
oh fuck well hear me out two hand if you have to choose if it's a the structural

01:06:48.863 --> 01:06:52.463
integrity of the burger because I don't like what am I doing while eating the

01:06:52.463 --> 01:06:56.003
burger well what if it falls apart that's true I don't I love,

01:06:56.763 --> 01:07:02.163
eggs or no eggs depends man honestly I don't need the egg crispy onions or no.

01:07:03.843 --> 01:07:09.063
Raw or fried not crispy caramelized onions are the haystack onions I do like

01:07:09.283 --> 01:07:10.163
smash burger you should do,

01:07:10.743 --> 01:07:13.103
caramelized onions here's the only issue with the caramelized onions right if

01:07:13.103 --> 01:07:15.823
they're stripped down you take a bite you might pull every onion out in one

01:07:15.823 --> 01:07:19.283
bite that's how I like those haystack I like them when they're sliced up.

01:07:19.663 --> 01:07:22.903
I know. I'm like, you ever have that with bacon, which I do want bacon on my

01:07:22.903 --> 01:07:26.683
burger. And it's like all, you get the whole thing. I'm like, I ate all the bacon.

01:07:27.143 --> 01:07:30.183
One bite, dude. I'm fucking upset now. I'm going to eat a regular burger now

01:07:30.183 --> 01:07:33.183
for the next 13 bites or whatever it is. Plus or minus two or three.

01:07:33.283 --> 01:07:35.083
Do you eat your fries first or a burger? A burger.

01:07:35.903 --> 01:07:37.843
There we go. I like the fries.

01:07:39.283 --> 01:07:43.043
I'm also convinced. There's people who eat their entrees first and those who eat their sides first.

01:07:43.203 --> 01:07:46.763
Don't you? I see the burger as the reward. You eat all the BS around it and

01:07:46.763 --> 01:07:49.683
then you treat yourself. I see what you mean. I see what you mean. That's interesting.

01:07:49.903 --> 01:07:52.403
I see it. I don't agree with it. Tells us a lot about you.

01:07:52.943 --> 01:07:55.923
I'm a man that's feeling. I like myself a treat.

01:07:56.083 --> 01:07:58.783
This means you're going into it knowing you will eat all of it.

01:07:58.923 --> 01:08:02.123
That's true. Look at me. You just don't order a big enough burger.

01:08:03.603 --> 01:08:06.963
Or enough burgers. Enough burgers. So back to the core of the question.

01:08:07.703 --> 01:08:12.903
One simply doesn't order one. The French fries travel better than the burger does. Surprisingly.

01:08:13.303 --> 01:08:16.243
They're a lot easier to reconstitute at home. You know what I didn't realize?

01:08:16.423 --> 01:08:17.983
You didn't have a cold French fries. You can fucking air fry,

01:08:18.123 --> 01:08:20.603
re-warm up your food in an air fryer. I never knew that until this week.

01:08:20.783 --> 01:08:23.143
I've been microwaving everything. You can do anything. I never.

01:08:23.383 --> 01:08:24.743
Air fry is a rock. That's what I know.

01:08:25.143 --> 01:08:29.623
You can do anything. Some sort of microwaving. By the way, just speaking of

01:08:29.623 --> 01:08:34.663
like fitness stuff and sauce and whatever, food in general, you know what cracks me up all the time?

01:08:34.683 --> 01:08:37.963
I see people that are like, oh, I'm eating healthy. I'll just take a salad.

01:08:38.684 --> 01:08:42.484
Okay. And then they proceed to put a quart of ranch on it or something.

01:08:42.744 --> 01:08:48.464
And then drink down it with a soda? Yeah, sauces. People sleep on how not great sauces can be.

01:08:48.764 --> 01:08:52.604
Dude, one packet of Chick-fil-A sauce is 145 fucking calories.

01:08:52.864 --> 01:08:55.604
I learned that actually two days ago. You really just get rid of two.

01:08:55.904 --> 01:08:59.144
You just get rid of, it's good. You get rid of just two packets and you're already

01:08:59.144 --> 01:09:00.404
in a caloric deficit to lose weight.

01:09:00.724 --> 01:09:03.664
Imagine that. All you gotta do is get rid of two packets a day and you're fucking

01:09:03.664 --> 01:09:05.864
losing weight. Yeah, but what's the point of having Chick-fil-A without that

01:09:05.864 --> 01:09:06.364
sauce? Yeah, you sauce demon.

01:09:06.944 --> 01:09:10.644
I am a sauce demon. I'm a sauce demon. Because I don't eat that stuff that often,

01:09:10.684 --> 01:09:12.984
but when I do, I do. Chick-fil-A?

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Did you see what they just did with their grilled nuggets? No.

01:09:15.624 --> 01:09:19.124
Grilled? Grilled nuggets, 30-piece grilled nuggets, 98 grams of protein.

01:09:19.464 --> 01:09:21.844
I'm not sponsored, but I'm open to it.

01:09:23.104 --> 01:09:27.324
98 grams of protein, 5 grams of fat, zero carbs, 30-piece nuggets.

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And not available on Sundays.

01:09:29.184 --> 01:09:32.624
Was it? And not available on Sundays. Not available on Sundays. That's kind of tough.

01:09:32.744 --> 01:09:35.044
All right. So this is something we're going to discuss off air,

01:09:35.424 --> 01:09:38.344
but bring that up because that is, I have a bone to pick with that.

01:09:38.344 --> 01:09:42.804
Like a christianity thing no no on next

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episode yeah i mean

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if it were me i'd open that shit up on sundays that's what i'm saying dude well

01:09:50.844 --> 01:09:53.944
sundays are volunteer work days work is

01:09:53.944 --> 01:09:57.364
being done before but now that i'm that's like we're now toppling the i actually

01:09:57.364 --> 01:10:01.544
i saw this guy hide behind and actually he got me i went to a chick-fil-a on

01:10:01.544 --> 01:10:05.604
sunday i completely forgot about it there was a dude fucking hiding behind the

01:10:05.604 --> 01:10:09.044
intercom thing like can i take your order and i I gave him my whole order and

01:10:09.044 --> 01:10:11.724
he just pops out and starts cracking up behind me. And I wasn't even mad at him.

01:10:11.824 --> 01:10:14.224
I started laughing too. I'm like, you are clever, dude. You're like,

01:10:14.384 --> 01:10:16.144
that's all me, bro. I should have known.

01:10:16.364 --> 01:10:19.804
You are good. That voice is so clear. It's a weird prank. But you could tell

01:10:19.804 --> 01:10:21.724
that dude thought that too. He's like, enough people are going to come through.

01:10:21.844 --> 01:10:23.744
This will keep me entertained. I'm probably on YouTube somewhere.

01:10:25.284 --> 01:10:27.644
You're like, oh, fuck yeah, dude. All right, perfect. You guys are open,

01:10:27.664 --> 01:10:31.144
huh? All right. Yeah, all right. Dude's like, world star. World star.

01:10:32.284 --> 01:10:35.324
But okay, so a burger, a quick side-by-side on burger.

01:10:35.324 --> 01:10:40.664
Definitely five guys stacked up against in our area all about burger have you

01:10:40.664 --> 01:10:44.804
had it it's basically the same concept what did i what did i have last time what was that,

01:10:45.944 --> 01:10:48.544
oh yeah five guys it might have been

01:10:48.544 --> 01:10:51.504
all i think it was all about burger five guys is a

01:10:51.504 --> 01:10:54.644
arlington staple dude right right yeah yeah

01:10:54.644 --> 01:10:58.804
it started in arlington shout out the five guys did it start in arlington it

01:10:58.804 --> 01:11:03.444
did south arlington right off right off uh route seven is that why the burgers

01:11:03.444 --> 01:11:08.564
are like 25 a pop rich rich rich it's all starting to make sense that used to

01:11:08.564 --> 01:11:12.044
be a very cheap part of our life i mean look this is this is that's called fast

01:11:12.044 --> 01:11:14.524
casual same with the elevator jack or five guys,

01:11:15.297 --> 01:11:18.137
Oh, oh, Five Guys. Five Guys. A thousand percent. In-N-Out or Shake Shack?

01:11:18.497 --> 01:11:22.097
Five. Oh, In-N-Out or Shake Shack. Five Guys. Five Guys.

01:11:22.837 --> 01:11:26.277
It's Monster or Ghost Energy Drink. Five Guys. Five Guys.

01:11:27.457 --> 01:11:31.677
You said Shake Shack or In-N-Out? Yeah. I'll go In-N-Out. Over Shake Shack.

01:11:32.077 --> 01:11:34.137
Novelty or actual? It's actually better.

01:11:34.617 --> 01:11:37.577
Bless you, Caldoon. Wow. Bless you. Hey, keep it down. Wowza.

01:11:39.257 --> 01:11:42.857
You're not. It's a little bit of both. It's a little bit of both,

01:11:42.977 --> 01:11:44.777
but I do think it's better.

01:11:44.777 --> 01:11:48.857
And because I don't get it enough because we don't really have I guess we'll call that novelty,

01:11:49.937 --> 01:11:52.717
I like Shake Shack don't get me wrong I don't think it's that good I think

01:11:52.717 --> 01:11:55.437
it's a little too greasy it's so overhyped bro yeah when

01:11:55.437 --> 01:11:58.897
they first brought it to Tysons I loved it now I

01:11:58.897 --> 01:12:04.157
just Five Guys is definitely it's better than fast food but it's not Five Guys

01:12:04.157 --> 01:12:07.497
it's not Five Guys but it still has a we should get Five Guys after this you

01:12:07.497 --> 01:12:11.057
should actually have to go get my car so I don't get towed alright alright we'll

01:12:11.057 --> 01:12:15.097
wrap they won't tow you they'll just they'll just oh just a ticket It'll just

01:12:15.097 --> 01:12:16.177
be like, thank you. Oh, whatever.

01:12:16.457 --> 01:12:20.057
We'll keep it rolling, bro. Just a ticket, bro. Welcome to Arlington. Do you have the app?

01:12:20.377 --> 01:12:24.217
Huh? No. You're using our fine township. Mike has the app. We'll take care of

01:12:24.217 --> 01:12:26.557
the app. All right, all right. We'll worry about that. They'll charge you 60

01:12:26.557 --> 01:12:27.897
bucks. Don't get me wrong. Yeah, whatever.

01:12:28.137 --> 01:12:30.017
All right, all right, all right. It's worth it. It's for the boys.

01:12:30.157 --> 01:12:32.357
We're having fun. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Money well spent.

01:12:33.177 --> 01:12:36.277
But yeah, I don't think, I think it just kind of, it sits in between the two

01:12:36.277 --> 01:12:37.277
because it costs less, too.

01:12:37.357 --> 01:12:40.277
The price point is less than a five guys. and therefore in my

01:12:40.277 --> 01:12:44.017
opinion quality isn't quite there but it's better than like a wendy's it's better

01:12:44.017 --> 01:12:46.737
than a mcdonald's it's better than a burking so it's like sits between the two

01:12:46.737 --> 01:12:50.537
the fast casual it's just like and those five guys patties are made to order

01:12:50.537 --> 01:12:53.977
guys it's almost not even fast in my opinion i don't consider it fast food i

01:12:53.977 --> 01:12:57.877
don't think it's faster it's not fast food oh no burger shack is burger shack

01:12:57.877 --> 01:13:00.017
still around burger shack is still around they're still there.

01:13:01.697 --> 01:13:08.157
Is that still chantilly yeah right off route 50 they took over the old quiznos and that old Chimney.

01:13:08.997 --> 01:13:11.877
Yeah, dude, it was. Burger Shack's still there. Still solid.

01:13:11.997 --> 01:13:14.617
They had Texas Toast. That was like 4 billion calories. You know what?

01:13:14.637 --> 01:13:15.837
I bet you they're open on Sundays.

01:13:16.177 --> 01:13:18.917
Oh, they're absolutely open on Sundays. Seems like in patties.

01:13:18.997 --> 01:13:19.977
He's like, what patties am I getting?

01:13:20.377 --> 01:13:22.817
Right there off Route 50. Route 29? 29.

01:13:23.377 --> 01:13:26.697
50? 50. 50. Is it still the same thing at that point? Probably.

01:13:26.817 --> 01:13:28.877
I mean, dude, it changes so many times. Dude, I don't remember.

01:13:29.837 --> 01:13:33.417
Does the route numbers change as they drive? They combine and separate.

01:13:33.417 --> 01:13:35.077
It becomes Orange Boulevard, which becomes what?

01:13:35.997 --> 01:13:38.857
Yeah, they combine. they combine and separate

01:13:38.857 --> 01:13:41.477
multiple times come on road makers yeah i'll leave that to

01:13:41.477 --> 01:13:44.137
you virginian nerds to figure out they combined so many roads you

01:13:44.137 --> 01:13:47.017
got to work that out amongst yourself does kentucky

01:13:47.017 --> 01:13:54.297
have one road we have a consistent name for for for road road keeps name i mean

01:13:54.297 --> 01:13:57.617
it might like when you get into like a town like this is nicholas vale road

01:13:57.617 --> 01:14:00.777
but it's like route 60 or something it's the same route but it just like takes

01:14:00.777 --> 01:14:04.137
on a little localized thing howdy doesn't merge and get weird i don't know,

01:14:04.935 --> 01:14:07.175
I can't speak for all the reasons. It starts to, around here,

01:14:07.295 --> 01:14:12.895
it breaks up into like, this will be 2950, and then over here is 29 business,

01:14:13.215 --> 01:14:16.635
and then you have 29 business. Yeah, our streets have like nicknames and shit out here.

01:14:16.715 --> 01:14:20.115
Oh yeah, and then 29 has a different name in every county.

01:14:21.115 --> 01:14:24.395
Old, I don't even know. Old here. Old back, new Braddock.

01:14:24.555 --> 01:14:31.695
The real, the real battle of the, the North, of the DC Metro burger chains though,

01:14:32.115 --> 01:14:34.275
is Five Guys versus Elevation Burger.

01:14:34.275 --> 01:14:37.495
Five guys never had a smash burger

01:14:37.495 --> 01:14:40.415
i guess more smashed in my opinion but they they're both

01:14:40.415 --> 01:14:44.315
kind of like they came out around the same time dude five

01:14:44.315 --> 01:14:47.695
guys is fucking fire yeah it gives you so much more elevation for sure and as

01:14:47.695 --> 01:14:50.855
a virginia boy side by side it's like it's like chipotle versus kava like kava

01:14:50.855 --> 01:14:54.935
gives you more food chipotle just steals food from you yeah how do you guys

01:14:54.935 --> 01:14:57.595
feel when someone definitely got small when someone asks you how do you want

01:14:57.595 --> 01:15:00.615
your burger cooked i was looking at them weird like first off i know it's about

01:15:00.615 --> 01:15:01.955
to be expensive i want it second,

01:15:02.555 --> 01:15:05.895
i'm like what do you mean dude it's hamburger meat well

01:15:05.895 --> 01:15:09.275
done it's not gonna come out how you request oh so now hold on no

01:15:09.275 --> 01:15:12.455
i get it well done because bro i'm not trying to get a worm it's ground beef

01:15:12.455 --> 01:15:16.295
i go medium not a big worm guy i just tell them however you guys normally do

01:15:16.295 --> 01:15:19.955
it do it that way make it good yeah really whatever the right way that yeah

01:15:19.955 --> 01:15:25.895
like it definitely depends on the place but yeah like medium medium rare i want

01:15:25.895 --> 01:15:28.995
mine looking like a hockey puck Bake all the worms out of that.

01:15:30.495 --> 01:15:35.395
That's how I do it. And then I sauce it up. Sauce it. It's not the worms you have to worry about.

01:15:36.195 --> 01:15:40.335
It's sitting out as they're grinding all that. He doesn't want to worry about

01:15:40.335 --> 01:15:42.675
any of it. They're grinding all that shit. You just burn it all off.

01:15:43.195 --> 01:15:46.655
Burn it all. If those worms are in there, they're in that steak too.

01:15:46.835 --> 01:15:48.555
If they're in there, they ain't happy.

01:15:49.195 --> 01:15:53.875
That steak sitting next to it has those worms too. Nothing like a cooked worm in your burger. Yeah.

01:15:54.935 --> 01:15:59.655
Earth? Extra gains. Earthworms? Earthworms. alright any other,

01:16:00.635 --> 01:16:04.955
battle fast food battle fast cash battles who makes the best french fries oh

01:16:04.955 --> 01:16:10.755
the best french fries alright steak fries I like this curly fries wedge,

01:16:11.495 --> 01:16:14.215
Arby's have some good curly fries regular traditional fries I think regular

01:16:14.215 --> 01:16:14.715
traditional fries shoestrings,

01:16:15.395 --> 01:16:18.815
do we have shoestrings in there shoestrings are okay but it's like you want

01:16:18.815 --> 01:16:22.195
like with the fries you want to have that crunchy exterior or like some sort

01:16:22.195 --> 01:16:24.855
of flavored exterior like Five Guys isn't always crunchy but it's fast like

01:16:24.855 --> 01:16:28.375
Red Robin has like those like steak fries They're just soggy in the middle but crispy on the outside.

01:16:28.815 --> 01:16:32.055
I don't like those. You can bite too much into potato because potato gets dry

01:16:32.055 --> 01:16:34.435
and boring fast. But, you know, we do have sauce.

01:16:34.815 --> 01:16:38.855
So, but, I mean, I think a regular fried, because shoestring is a little bit

01:16:38.855 --> 01:16:41.375
too light where it just starts to taste like you're just biting into crunchy fried.

01:16:42.175 --> 01:16:46.055
But you're biting into crunch. You really are. And, like, there's no potato.

01:16:46.195 --> 01:16:47.135
I don't eat a ton of potato.

01:16:47.295 --> 01:16:49.575
Potatoes don't have that much flavor. They're a vehicle for flavor.

01:16:49.735 --> 01:16:51.835
Yeah. In my opinion. Kind of like mushrooms.

01:16:52.495 --> 01:16:54.695
Kind of like mushrooms. Mushrooms. Tell us more.

01:16:55.895 --> 01:17:00.355
I'm talking portobello not whatever you are He's talking shiitake He's talking

01:17:00.355 --> 01:17:04.175
shiitake guys Nice baby Bella Mushrooms are like a sponge.

01:17:05.972 --> 01:17:10.012
I like mushrooms, dude. I think they salted mushrooms. I like them.

01:17:11.172 --> 01:17:15.732
I did go camping, and I was gutsy enough to think I knew what chicken in the

01:17:15.732 --> 01:17:16.972
woods looked like, and I ate it.

01:17:17.692 --> 01:17:22.612
You ate some shit off the ground? I ate, well, it was off of like a dead log. I'm still here.

01:17:23.512 --> 01:17:26.452
But it messed me up. Don't eat mushrooms in the woods, guys.

01:17:27.592 --> 01:17:31.552
Really silly mushrooms. Alright, that's a good way to end it. I like that.

01:17:32.792 --> 01:17:36.672
So that one really saddles me. That should be the title. That actually could be the title.

01:17:36.992 --> 01:17:39.692
Don't eat mushrooms in the woods. It'll just confuse them. They'll be like,

01:17:39.812 --> 01:17:41.072
what the fuck are they talking about?

01:17:41.232 --> 01:17:45.132
Just remember, guys, don't eat mushrooms in the woods. That is a good one. Nate Craig.

01:17:46.292 --> 01:17:50.092
Hortabella, I'm not. We should seriously consider making it don't eat mushrooms

01:17:50.092 --> 01:17:51.952
in the woods. Yeah. Just leave it at that.

01:17:52.732 --> 01:17:55.392
That'll be so funny. I like that title.

01:17:56.192 --> 01:18:01.132
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01:18:01.152 --> 01:18:05.052
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