(Ep 17) Crafting Your Jiu-Jitsu Style ft RJ Nealon

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Welcome back to Fighters Drinking Coffee.

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Today we're lucky enough to have the one-handed bandit himself, RJ Nealon, in with us.

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And we're actually going to talk about, because it kind of came up when we were

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doing his interview, we're going to talk about developing your style in jiu-jitsu.

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And that's going to be, you know, competing doesn't necessarily have to be,

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because you can have a style and just do jiu-jitsu in

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the gym but we're all competitors so we're going to have

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a lot more focus on competition when we're talking about this

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um but yeah so

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we're gonna go into it start talking about it um so

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yeah i mean so developing a style uh a lot of it's gonna be based around what

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rule set you're in uh so you know different uh different organizations are going

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to have slightly different rule sets so that's going to play into more into

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a certain style versus another.

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Yeah, I mean, Scott, what do you got? Yeah, well, dude, we were just kind of,

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casually talking about it but yeah,

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You know, we always make this, it doesn't have to be, like you said, about competition,

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but what I think the value of putting yourself out, like, in public,

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in front of other competitors in a situation where it's win or lose,

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and, you know, inherently anyone on the mat in that situation wants to win.

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You're sort of faced with this um this question

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of of figure figuring out and then showing it displaying it publicly again to

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use that word uh because i think it's important i think it's sort of like one

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of those things like you're out there you're putting yourself out there like

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you you want to win this game there's a medal or whatever there's there's an incentive to go.

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Uh win that match you have to know

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you touched about some things that i think influence the style

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too like the rules the points the the time limits you

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name it sometimes the boundaries right like

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yeah we've been to some pit i don't know if you've done any pit stuff i haven't

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done any pit stuff but i've been the adcc where they go

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off the mat and they're like fighting on concrete yep

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yeah what are we doing here for real what i

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mean it's awesome i've done adcc matches and

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and yeah but like all these things i think influence that

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decision and then development

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that an athlete or a student needs to

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uh to navigate which is like

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sorting out what am i uniquely good at

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or uh or not good at

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for that matter to prepare and train and have a program and develop yourself

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around that quote-unquote style that i mean basically to put it simple it's

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like how do i win versus how do i lose when i'm going out and i'm competing

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in front of a bunch of folks I'm trying to like, you know,

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I'm trying to like develop and, and, you know, build something,

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you know, like a competitive career. Um.

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What's like, what's, what makes me good when I'm out there? Like, how do I do that?

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And then I will say to an extent, um, I feel like Marcelo Garcia has talked

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about this where it's like, he actually just like his, I think part of his competitive

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journey was like learning how to like make it fun too.

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So there's always that element of being like, you know, I'm also,

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I'm, I'm, there's some like intensity that comes with everything we've talked about.

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I'm sure we're all familiar with that, but you know, at the same time,

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maybe having that little bit of room to like have some fun to learn And then

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kind of maybe try some things that are different too, because that style, quote unquote,

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you don't want to be so confined as the long-term big picture of like your training

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and your, your athletic career develops.

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Like, you know, the intensity can, we we've talked about this,

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Mike, where it's like the intensity can sometimes become like a negative thing

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at a certain point for some folks.

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If you don't have the right psychological preparedness to, to handle that long-term,

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I'm like, are you going to be so, uh, beaten down if you're not constantly winning?

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Well, anyways, just kind of a sidebar comment to like, Hey, like keep it fun.

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But also like, what am I, how am I, how am I fighting and how do I win?

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Well, in finding ways to take what you learn in those losses too.

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I mean, that's another thing that we talk about. It's like, you have to find

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a way to compartmentalize the loss so that it's not a devastating thing.

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And so that you can actually use it in the future.

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Because a big difference between guys that compete very frequently and guys

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that stop competing is how they take losses.

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You have to be able to lose in a way that you know you have something else coming up.

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You know that you're going to take that loss and you're going to get better.

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It doesn't have to be the cliche of you lose or you learn, but it kind of is, right?

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Like, and using those losses to dictate your game for the next one,

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how to improve your game, your style, so that you are winning.

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Because there's something in that loss that there was either a chink in the

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armor of your style going into it, or you weren't actually executing the game

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that you're supposed to be executing.

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And figuring out how to adjust for that. Like, you know, if you know that your

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style requires you to initiate the takedown or initiate the ground game,

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right? Like initiating the ground game is a big part of it.

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And you're not doing the things leading up to it that allow you to initiate.

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Like if you're just kind of...

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I'm, I've been, you know, guilty of this where like you are,

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you want to initiate, but then at least the person just pulling guard and now

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they've initiated, now you're behind the curve.

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And so what steps do you need to take to adjust for that?

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And like, you have to keep, you're, you're always in the lab.

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You're always working. You're always trying to adjust.

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Wait, you know, it's funny. Like in my, with my students too,

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especially if it's like their first time competing or just whatever,

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I always tell them like the other person gets a vote.

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You know what I mean? Like to like to your point, like, yeah,

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you want to initiate, but the other dude gets a vote on everything.

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And I think like what you call it out too, is another thing I think about too.

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It's like you have strategy and you have execution and both need to be assessed

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before or during after matches.

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It's usually best after match. Cause then you have some data,

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especially if it's with someone new where you've, you don't know what you don't know.

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And having the plan, just having a plan is better than just raw dogging a tournament

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and just figuring out as you go to just have a plan.

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Here's what we're going to do. And then we can always go back and look at,

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like, did you do it right?

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Was it not the right game plan for you? But, like, RJ, we were talking about

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it with you just a few, you know, in the last episode.

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Like, for you, like, I'd like to hear your thoughts on this,

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but, like, you were talking about how you want that pull right away.

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You know where you want to start your matches. Yeah, I have a strategy,

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and I need to execute that strategy.

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And I think it also goes back to what we were talking about in the previous

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episode where, like, there's some competitors that just compete to compete because

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they think it sounds cool. I am a jujitsu.

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I am a jujitsu competitor.

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Like it sounds cool. And then you have those guys that are really bought into the process.

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They're all in. They're all in. And it, you know, strategy, execution, mindset.

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A good example is Andy Murasaki out of Atos.

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Dude always makes it to the finals and then loses to Tainan Dolper.

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Like every single time. And then he just dropped down a weight class at Worlds

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last week to make it to the finals and lost.

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Yet he's still in the lab working towards that goal. Like he's bought in.

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And it's like, I think that's a special gift to have.

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He's relentless. And like you said, he knows what he wants to do and he's going

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to figure it out. Yeah. He's going to keep working. Yeah. And I think that.

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That goes for every competitor, right? Not everyone has a dream of becoming

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world champion, but they want to be successful competitors. They want to win.

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So being like receptive to the feedback that your coaches give you,

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being open to, hey, why don't we work on your guard for the next couple months

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to be able to execute that strategy that you have?

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Because a lot of people have strategies and, you know,

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they always say like once the vet says fight you know you black out sometimes

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or you always have a plan until you get punched in the face yeah so being able

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to like execute that strategy,

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regardless of the situation whether you're in

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a bad spot or a good spot is like a skill to

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be had well and i think there's um you

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know especially on that like people freezing up when

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they start there is an issue with over visualizing

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or over planning your match too where it that can lead to if it doesn't work

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if the sequences don't occur in the order that you're expecting that it can

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completely throw off the rest of the match yeah um and so if you don't have

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that if you're over planned and like.

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Outside of strategy and into like i mean

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game plan but like play by play then you

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can start to have those negative effects because you will

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freeze up when you don't do something the

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way that you have it planned out in your head oh absolutely

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and i have a teammate that was like

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this and he's a lot better now but like

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he would like fixate on like how he

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wanted the match to go every single time and then

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when he would get his guard passed he like froze up

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because it didn't go in the

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order that he wanted it to um so

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having like being able to all right

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well if i pull guard and then they pass

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my guard like how do i get that back how do i get that

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guard back like being able to

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go off script a little bit to get

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back to i think there's a little bit of with competitors

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like i think the psychology behind some

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of what you guys are describing is um there's this

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preparedness that everyone wants to have and

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if you're overly let's say

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neurotic you're overly you're over planning and perhaps

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that mental framework helps people deal with

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some of the the nerves of competition like hey i'm gonna

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go and really prepare which is it's obviously not a bad thing but what

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i would say is when you watch guys who compete enough.

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That they get really comfortable facing situations like.

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That because the more you could be like that's going to happen you're going.

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To find yourself in situations that aren't exactly by the

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script that you had in your head well if you've

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competed enough times and you start to get comfortable trying.

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To think like this like if you can try

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to bring some of the comfort you have in the training room or

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like you're a bit more free-flowing and

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you want to have a little bit of both you want to have that game plan but also the ability

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to say like you know what like i've had my guard passed i don't.

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Know thousands of times it's not a big deal and if

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you can but staying focused to then like stay you

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know stay composed think don't panic and then

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continue to fight and if you can try to bring

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some of the comfort you have when you're on the mat with like your teammates and

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something happens that's you know they score

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or whatever like you're like all right no big deal i still got three

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and a half minutes i can still get something done i can reverse

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this you can train for a lot of that like some of that is

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like you can make situational training like we we did stuff

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like that today we were on the bottom side control top side

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control like we literally took turns getting being the nail and then being the

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hammer so anyways no that's that's i feel like a fairly sophisticated skill

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like dudes have to put in the work to feel like in bad situations in a game

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in front of people like you're going to stay calm,

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you're going to stay poised. I think it takes a while to get to that point.

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Um, it, it can be done. And I think it's sort of like the stress inoculation

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of being in the game enough that you can stay cool and say, you know what? I got time to work.

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Give you guys an example. We shouted out Cameron Hurd lots of times and he's

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fighting again today. He's a savage.

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But, um, in his last match that he won at B team, I forgot the name.

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We looked at it, whatever the name of that tournament. We already talked about it.

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Yeah. Doesn't, doesn't really matter what the BGJ world championship. There you go.

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Um, but you know, it's, so he ends up winning with an arm bar.

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He ends up submitting his opponent, but the scramble that led to the armbar

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was the other dude starting to, like, take positional advantage over Cameron.

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He was taking his back. He was taking his back. He was taking Cam down over,

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like, he was trying to secure Cam to the ground.

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And in all of that scrambling, like, he was able to just flip over for the,

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like, transition out into a choy bar and finished it. Finishes it.

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Now, by the way, this is his style. this is his style cameron was a wrestler

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yeah what a wrestler is uniquely nasty at.

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Scrambles scrambles and so he's calm in that situation i

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mean i we i trained with we did situations similar to

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that with cameron like not that long ago like honestly two three weeks ago

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we're just we you know me him a couple other guys

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were dma came through for some training we're just we're put

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we're running through scrambles we're basically the takeaway there

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is you just you just don't stop moving until either the

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other dude either has to completely earn what they're

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doing like if that guy had sealed the back take that would have been one thing

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what does cameron not do doesn't slow down doesn't freak

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out just because the guy's taking his back he keeps moving he keeps moving he keeps moving

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that's a wrestling style that he's good at he's developed that for years

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he keeps moving keeps moving he moves he knows not to capitulate and then he

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finds an opening and he executes it i think that's another thing i think a lot

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of competitors especially like in the training room if you start taking the

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back they're like let you take the back instead of,

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initiating those scrambles or keep moving.

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They're like, all right, they let them sink the hooks and then they start like working out of it.

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And it's like important to like, hey, in a competition, that's four points.

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Like you, that's, and it's a dominant position.

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That could be a death set. So there is no stalling on the back and mount. So like.

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Initiating those scrambles and continuing to move

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is so so important and to your point like you can you

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can train some of that you can train a lot of that which

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is like you can you can you can create a drill a game

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if you want to call it that yeah uh you know whatever

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you can create training room environments

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where like you're because i think some of that is like habits right some

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of that is a dude any any

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one of us being in situations where like there's like

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this decision you make when you're in that moment

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to either say uh this dude's got

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it he's got his back take or just keep or or you saying

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not yet keep going keep pushing keep fighting these

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are like the fights within the fight like it's always these little like tiny little

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things we're like that's really the fight it's like

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hey i just can't let this dude finish this back take we had

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these four points do i

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need to not have these four points score to me or in another instance

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like does this how good am i at not

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getting choked you know like where where

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are you gonna fight better from this too like not

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just not just the points but hey if i let him get this back take am i gonna

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be in a better position to escape than if we're just scrambling like depending

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on what your style is right right well and yeah and it's the decision either

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way whether it's the sub it's the back take you're choosing not to allow it but at a certain point.

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This is maybe a callback to like the this the psychology

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of being a consistent competitor and a focus competitive

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competitor which is you have to just decide as the

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guy like i have to have that mental framework i can't like

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just give up on the thing just because it's not going exactly how

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i thought it was the temptation is to let i fucked

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up all right it's over now or it's it's that or

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keep pushing this dude's really got to earn it

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but i'm not going to give it away you know and that's kind of

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like the accountability you have to have and that's you know what i was saying was like what we

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were all saying which is that like the more you compete the

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more maybe it's the sting of taking a loss where you're like fuck i

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hate that feeling so much that i just have to decide to not

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allow it until maybe the dude earns it that's a whole other thing

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you we all know the difference between when we've given something up

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and when someone's like just nailed a good move you know

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so and it's it's that you just got to be like you know make the other dude do

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his job don't do it for him exactly and

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i think it it just sucks losing in front of

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people yeah like especially like

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in any sport it sucks losing in front of people but

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especially in a combat sport like you just got beat up uh-huh like that's embarrassing

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uh-huh um so obviously at the end of the day nobody really cares if you win

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or lose it's a self-fade there's but it's a self-fade i get it well i don't

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want to get beat up in front of people and it's just you out there Like there's,

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you have to own that entire loss.

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There's no one, you know, it's not, this isn't like a team sport where you can

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be like, oh, well, we all lost, you know, like you went out and you lost the other guy beat you.

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Right. It's a different mentality. And I think it's, I think that's why it's

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so important that kids compete.

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So they get to know that feeling of like what winning feels like,

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but also like what it feels like to lose and like be by yourself out there.

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Like that's a, it's brutal. It's brutal. But it's good for you.

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But it's really good for you. And I think that's why it's so important when

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kids compete, you know, you ever go to a kid's tournament, how,

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how often do you see kids cry?

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Every time. After losing. Every time. Every time. But I think that's so important to the growth.

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It's, it's a good reaction to have too. Like, you know, it sucks for a kid to be crying, but like it,

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that means that they have the right intent going into

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this and they cared about that win um you

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know and they every kid says they got hurt in

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their match but they're not really hurt so there's a little bit different

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thing there um but like it's because

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they a lot of the time they haven't felt

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that feeling of losing and caring

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about the loss and they don't know how else to express

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it other than like to cry and say they're hurt

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um but yeah it means they care like it's good

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like i see you should cry and say they're hurt all

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the time yeah crying and you know

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it's usually complaining but i'm a grown man

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and i've cried after some losses i

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cried after i lost the finals of the world championships you

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cared man like i was devastated like i

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remember right after that tournament like

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my my mom came with me over to the middle east

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my brother came and they had

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like they wanted to go sightseeing stuff and like

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all i wanted to do was sit in the airbnb and

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just like be by myself like i was like i just lost the world championship like

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i'm the second best in the world like that's a crappy feeling no and i got so

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close spoken like a true competitor yeah yet i was so far like it sucks.

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But I think that's like why we all do sport. We do sports because we want to be in those situations.

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And, you know, you see it. I mean, Tom Brady's a great example.

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Like every time he competed in the Super Bowl, he got nervous.

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He still got nervous and had to manage those butterflies and stuff. It's the mindset.

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Which that's also a good thing. And we've talked about this,

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but it'd be good to get another person's kind of input on it.

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Um, so we talk about like the nerves leading up to competition and we've,

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we've gone over kind of, you know, managing it and, um, harnessing it too.

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But like, do you have, when you're doing, when you're going into competition,

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like I imagine you're still nervous going in every time, despite tons of frequency,

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like being a frequent competitor.

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Is that like, and it's weird for me.

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Cause like when I first started competing, especially at like IBJJF,

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like I had so many supporters, but then I also had those people that like really

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didn't want me to compete at the IBJJF level.

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Cause they didn't want me to quote unquote, get hurt or get taken advantage

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of like, dudes are going to only attack my week on.

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And I'm like, well, I'm signing up for it. Like I'm putting myself out there,

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but I, in terms of like nervousness, I didn't really get nervous Cause I had

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no expectation. Like nobody expected me to win.

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The expectation is a big one. So like nobody expected me to win.

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So I was like, I'm just going to go out there and show people that like,

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despite physical limitations, I still love, I still love to compete.

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And then I started to win.

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And people were like, okay, like now we expect you to be competitive and win.

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And then when I started getting into adaptive matches, that's when a lot of

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the pressure came on because everyone expected me to win gold.

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They were like, dude, nobody else's CP is going to be able to hang with you.

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Like you're beating able-bodied dudes at IBJF. Like there's no way.

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So having that pressure, like it felt like I had the weight of the world on my shoulders.

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Um but i loved it i loved it i like it

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this is actually a good way for us to talk about the actual topic now

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now how did you develop you know this is good this is good but like

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well to that point man you know it's interesting um

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you know we came to this concept of a conversation

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around our last conversation a

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few minutes ago but dude you've had to think

00:22:06.481 --> 00:22:09.361
through that's i think that's a really cool teaching this is why people

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are reaching out to you for seminars i think in a lot of ways too which is like you

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are understanding you have

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basically two different comp tracks like you said like one you

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compete against everyone yep when you compete against

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adaptive athletes so how have you approached like

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figuring out maybe this is actually could be a really good specific

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talking point too on like what you do differently for either

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or you understand what i'm saying i go in

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that every tournament with the same type of mindset like i'm

00:22:37.701 --> 00:22:41.681
there to win i'm there to hurt your feelings and

00:22:41.681 --> 00:22:44.761
make you go cry in the corner by yourself yes do

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you like do you have a different game plan for adaptive

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versus not adaptive though or is it the same game it's the same game you know

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pull guard get to my guard tight and baron bola or leg entanglement but obviously

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when the adapted division like i'm more i'm not as cautious like i'll take more risks.

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Because I know they can't attack my week on. So. You can't attack their,

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whatever their disability is too. No, no.

00:23:14.054 --> 00:23:16.714
Because you mentioned that in the last conversation, I found that as another

00:23:16.714 --> 00:23:19.014
really interesting. And this is also me. I'm a coach as well.

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Dude, I feel like this, this has taught you, obviously you're a psycho competitor

00:23:23.634 --> 00:23:24.754
too, which I like by the way.

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But dude, like that requires, you said you go into one match with the same mentality.

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That mentality is good for everything.

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Yeah. Like I'm going to go win. then you have relatively simplified but like

00:23:37.854 --> 00:23:41.334
same game plan but there will be a tactical difference,

00:23:41.834 --> 00:23:44.694
because you also have to go in and say well what's this

00:23:44.694 --> 00:23:49.034
dude's like what's off limits with this guy yep and they don't tell you so you

00:23:49.034 --> 00:23:53.134
have to tactically adapt like quick man that's that's a sophisticated skill

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man yeah it's when do you find out when like yeah good question when do you

00:23:57.634 --> 00:24:00.594
find out what you're not allowed do you get to look at your like i mean any

00:24:00.594 --> 00:24:02.794
one of us will go into a tournament and we'll see the bracket, right?

00:24:02.934 --> 00:24:05.294
It's kind of like IBJJF. You can do some intel.

00:24:05.554 --> 00:24:12.154
Yeah. I always stalk my guys in the bracket just to see like, hey, is this guy an APT?

00:24:12.314 --> 00:24:15.114
Is this guy CP? Hey, look, I have a copy of the Art of War right there.

00:24:15.194 --> 00:24:18.014
And we're talking about preparedness for battle here.

00:24:18.194 --> 00:24:22.974
This is... I know a lot of people don't like looking at their opponents. I do.

00:24:23.674 --> 00:24:26.554
Because... You want to win, man. You're not fucking around. I want to strategize...

00:24:27.687 --> 00:24:30.807
As soon as possible. You want an answer. Yeah. Because some guys were a double

00:24:30.807 --> 00:24:34.987
guard pool with me. So knowing what to do in that situation.

00:24:36.847 --> 00:24:42.127
But I always look up my opponents, see what they can and can't do.

00:24:42.207 --> 00:24:46.747
But we don't find out until the day of the tournament when we have to go through

00:24:46.747 --> 00:24:48.287
the medical evaluation.

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Got it. With the organizers.

00:24:51.047 --> 00:24:54.047
Can I ask you though, to Mike's question,

00:24:54.207 --> 00:24:57.447
let's say IBJF usually, if you have a weekend tournament, you'll

00:24:57.447 --> 00:25:00.507
find out by like that friday generally what your bracket's

00:25:00.507 --> 00:25:03.247
going to be so you at least see your first round now you said you

00:25:03.247 --> 00:25:05.967
have the medical evaluation but i'm imagining before that like

00:25:05.967 --> 00:25:08.567
you have a public profile man people probably look you up and

00:25:08.567 --> 00:25:11.487
say man i've got rj yeah let me study like so you can get answers

00:25:11.487 --> 00:25:13.987
probably a little bit early on you could probably go to facebook or instagram

00:25:13.987 --> 00:25:17.207
and stalk a dude like all right or if there's guys like you've competed a lot

00:25:17.207 --> 00:25:20.527
too in your divisions and at worlds there will be right like yeah absolutely

00:25:20.527 --> 00:25:23.607
you probably know some of the guys you've competed against them you'll be able

00:25:23.607 --> 00:25:28.707
to say hey i know what i can't do because I can see on Instagram or Flow or whatever.

00:25:29.447 --> 00:25:32.067
So-and-so's, it's a leg, it's a whatever.

00:25:32.227 --> 00:25:37.067
Yeah. Bang, now you have an idea of what you need to adapt. Is that right?

00:25:37.767 --> 00:25:43.567
100%. The guy that beat me in Abu Dhabi has won the world championships four years in a row.

00:25:44.227 --> 00:25:47.887
You're going to have a lot of analysis on this one, yeah. I know he's going

00:25:47.887 --> 00:25:51.047
to be there unless something will happen. And he'll probably be at the top of

00:25:51.047 --> 00:25:52.147
the podium. You'll run into him.

00:25:52.247 --> 00:25:56.027
And he'll go in as a number one seed, obviously

00:25:56.027 --> 00:25:58.827
like he is i mean

00:25:58.827 --> 00:26:02.487
i've only fought him once but he is

00:26:02.487 --> 00:26:07.487
like my tiny and opera yeah he's

00:26:07.487 --> 00:26:11.947
the dude that like needs to be beat like i need to beat him to beat the dude

00:26:11.947 --> 00:26:18.887
i love to be the dude i get it um whereas like london was interesting because

00:26:18.887 --> 00:26:26.687
they had an elite category and they had a category with multiple guys with cerebral palsy.

00:26:27.453 --> 00:26:32.433
But they put me in the elite category. Can you tell us the difference real fast? What does elite mean?

00:26:33.873 --> 00:26:37.933
Just like purple belt and higher. But like. Was it also adaptive?

00:26:38.193 --> 00:26:43.773
Yeah. Okay, got it. Yeah, but like the other CP athletes were in wheelchairs.

00:26:44.753 --> 00:26:48.873
All forelimbs were affected. Varying degrees of the disability.

00:26:48.933 --> 00:26:53.293
And so they thought they were like, man, like your jujitsu.

00:26:53.813 --> 00:26:56.513
You're too high level. technically we can't tell you no if

00:26:56.513 --> 00:26:59.313
you want to compete against them like we can't tell you no

00:26:59.313 --> 00:27:02.973
but we think you'd get way more out of competing against

00:27:02.973 --> 00:27:06.393
the athletes with different disabilities so

00:27:06.393 --> 00:27:10.753
i faced a proper belt that was an amputee that was a 200 pounder and then i

00:27:10.753 --> 00:27:16.473
faced a black belt with i'm pretty sure he had cp okay um but they were higher

00:27:16.473 --> 00:27:20.653
level guys like we were doing some high level inverting would you agree that

00:27:20.653 --> 00:27:23.413
was probably the right division for you oh 100 sounds like it, man. Yeah.

00:27:24.073 --> 00:27:27.353
I told my mom because she came over to London with me. I was like,

00:27:27.473 --> 00:27:29.753
I'm so glad they put me in that division.

00:27:29.953 --> 00:27:32.773
You want to challenge yourself. Getting gold would have been cool, but I was like,

00:27:33.926 --> 00:27:36.766
probably would have had like a minute matt thought well

00:27:36.766 --> 00:27:39.946
and like you said you said in the last one you flew your ass over to fucking london

00:27:39.946 --> 00:27:42.926
man let's get you some fights and i know one of the guys with cp

00:27:42.926 --> 00:27:45.806
that was in that lower category and he

00:27:45.806 --> 00:27:48.626
messaged me we're good good friends he's like man i'm so glad

00:27:48.626 --> 00:27:51.746
they didn't fight you he was like that would have been so bad

00:27:51.746 --> 00:27:55.366
for me it worked out yeah but.

00:27:55.366 --> 00:27:59.686
I mean that's a good point too is like the level of competition um because

00:27:59.686 --> 00:28:02.586
if you're not getting you know

00:28:02.586 --> 00:28:05.666
it's a reason i don't do certain comp

00:28:05.666 --> 00:28:08.666
tournaments anymore because you're not necessarily getting the

00:28:08.666 --> 00:28:12.686
level of competition that you want to want to get um or

00:28:12.686 --> 00:28:15.526
you know you're forced into divisions that don't

00:28:15.526 --> 00:28:18.246
make sense for you or whatever but you know

00:28:18.246 --> 00:28:22.306
not getting that level

00:28:22.306 --> 00:28:25.926
of competition that's going to help you grow isn't productive

00:28:25.926 --> 00:28:29.826
and yeah you might get a medal but are

00:28:29.826 --> 00:28:32.866
you getting better right like um are

00:28:32.866 --> 00:28:35.866
you actually developing your game and your style that's

00:28:35.866 --> 00:28:39.626
going to translate into those next that next

00:28:39.626 --> 00:28:42.446
level stuff right like into the tournaments you actually want

00:28:42.446 --> 00:28:45.566
to be winning how challenging was it yeah right

00:28:45.566 --> 00:28:48.906
exactly i've had people call me

00:28:48.906 --> 00:28:51.626
out and legit tell me like what are

00:28:51.626 --> 00:28:54.986
you too good for grappling industries well why

00:28:54.986 --> 00:28:57.906
don't you do more local stuff and i was like no i'll

00:28:57.906 --> 00:29:00.726
do a local tournament every now and then i enjoy doing tap

00:29:00.726 --> 00:29:03.846
cancer out because it's for a good cause but my

00:29:03.846 --> 00:29:10.626
competition goals do not align with some of these local tournaments like i need

00:29:10.626 --> 00:29:16.766
to be competing against ibjf competitors ajp to get to that level that i want

00:29:16.766 --> 00:29:20.326
to get to well and if you want to be winning under those rule sets you need

00:29:20.326 --> 00:29:22.106
to be under those sets too.

00:29:22.506 --> 00:29:26.586
And, you know, you don't want to be competing in places where you're able to

00:29:26.586 --> 00:29:29.486
get away with things that you're not allowed to do in other ones or.

00:29:30.266 --> 00:29:35.106
Yeah. And the combining the divisions, like I'm a light featherweight.

00:29:35.306 --> 00:29:36.946
I want to compete against light featherweight.

00:29:37.770 --> 00:29:43.190
Like, I don't want to weigh in at 141 and then have to fight a guy that's 170

00:29:43.190 --> 00:29:47.830
because they combine three different weight classes to make a bigger bracket.

00:29:47.970 --> 00:29:49.090
Like, I'm not doing that.

00:29:49.530 --> 00:29:53.610
Yeah. Which is fair too. Like there's, you know, sometimes you got to go out

00:29:53.610 --> 00:29:58.850
and, you know, bang with whoever, but it is a vastly different thing.

00:29:59.030 --> 00:30:03.210
Like you want to be getting that person who's your size in your division.

00:30:03.210 --> 00:30:07.570
Like if you're competing masters, you want to be competing against the guy who's

00:30:07.570 --> 00:30:12.350
in your master's division in your weight class. I mean, for multiple reasons

00:30:12.350 --> 00:30:15.970
to outside of just getting the right competitor, like right.

00:30:17.430 --> 00:30:22.810
The right competitors to go against in the right exposure, but you know,

00:30:23.230 --> 00:30:27.170
cause yeah, points, all that stuff applies to, but you know,

00:30:27.310 --> 00:30:30.490
if you're always having to go against bigger people

00:30:30.490 --> 00:30:33.450
that's not necessarily productive if

00:30:33.450 --> 00:30:36.670
your goal is to be you know a majors champion

00:30:36.670 --> 00:30:40.450
for your weight division exactly exactly and

00:30:40.450 --> 00:30:43.450
i mean like i want to be obviously

00:30:43.450 --> 00:30:47.370
the adaptive division doesn't have a weight class so that is basically absolute

00:30:47.370 --> 00:30:53.730
division is that the same thing for the ajp worlds yeah yeah look i got lucky

00:30:53.730 --> 00:30:58.710
and the guys that i competed against in abu dhabi we all had the same type of

00:30:58.710 --> 00:31:01.130
CP and we were all purple belts.

00:31:02.170 --> 00:31:06.970
So my right side was affected. The only difference was the left side was affected.

00:31:07.955 --> 00:31:13.995
But it was like identical. Well, the one guy, the Mongolian guy, he don't have CP.

00:31:14.795 --> 00:31:18.855
I'm, I'm convinced that dude's CP was so mild.

00:31:19.795 --> 00:31:23.995
Interesting. Like it was so mild. You couldn't even tell he had CP.

00:31:24.135 --> 00:31:27.455
So there's a joke I have. They require like any like medical validation.

00:31:27.455 --> 00:31:29.355
Yeah, we have to submit a document. I see.

00:31:30.075 --> 00:31:32.915
So he's just documented as having CP. Yeah.

00:31:33.195 --> 00:31:36.575
Yeah. There's, there's also a Paralympian. um

00:31:36.575 --> 00:31:39.395
she's from australia and she has cerebral

00:31:39.395 --> 00:31:43.175
palsy and you can't even tell she ran for

00:31:43.175 --> 00:31:46.335
um high point university or

00:31:46.335 --> 00:31:49.295
that's an american um there's two

00:31:49.295 --> 00:31:51.955
of them and both of them like you

00:31:51.955 --> 00:31:54.735
can't tell they have cp the one girl ran for high

00:31:54.735 --> 00:31:57.995
point now she's a paralympian and then an australian.

00:31:57.995 --> 00:32:00.895
Too it's like what part of you has

00:32:00.895 --> 00:32:04.215
cp like but it all

00:32:04.215 --> 00:32:07.055
affects people differently like their cp might

00:32:07.055 --> 00:32:09.975
be more intellectual yeah it might just might be

00:32:09.975 --> 00:32:13.435
more in the brain less physical whereas like mine is physical theirs

00:32:13.435 --> 00:32:16.655
might be more intellectual it's very interesting

00:32:16.655 --> 00:32:19.715
yeah and it's hard especially in

00:32:19.715 --> 00:32:23.935
jujitsu it's hard to find opponents.

00:32:23.935 --> 00:32:28.175
Like to make the matches fair um i

00:32:28.175 --> 00:32:31.655
have one friend that has cp lower category um

00:32:31.655 --> 00:32:34.495
in abu dhabi they had him going up against a

00:32:34.495 --> 00:32:37.675
guy um that had maybe 50 pounds

00:32:37.675 --> 00:32:40.535
on him and i could walk and stuff

00:32:40.535 --> 00:32:43.315
and he can't walk it was just not a fair

00:32:43.315 --> 00:32:46.635
match but he's like it like it's

00:32:46.635 --> 00:32:49.855
so hard to make some even matches yeah

00:32:49.855 --> 00:32:52.615
it's not going to be yeah i bet

00:32:52.615 --> 00:32:55.775
you see even more um discrepancies in

00:32:55.775 --> 00:32:59.935
game too because of that because of the variations of

00:32:59.935 --> 00:33:03.275
um of what is affected

00:33:03.275 --> 00:33:06.595
and all of that as well yeah it

00:33:06.595 --> 00:33:09.595
was it was why it was an experience even for

00:33:09.595 --> 00:33:12.535
me as somebody who like i mean i've had cp my

00:33:12.535 --> 00:33:16.115
whole life but being in abu dhabi experiencing

00:33:16.115 --> 00:33:19.015
that tournament like it was so wild to

00:33:19.015 --> 00:33:22.155
see the level of disabilities and what

00:33:22.155 --> 00:33:24.835
everyone could do and i was

00:33:24.835 --> 00:33:30.275
like i went i remember going back to the airbnb and like telling my buddy and

00:33:30.275 --> 00:33:36.295
my mom i was like man i feel really lucky to be able to like compete against

00:33:36.295 --> 00:33:42.475
the able-bodied competitors and to be able to basically do every position.

00:33:44.469 --> 00:33:49.989
They're like everyone's different man i'm like yeah i know but sometimes i'm like damn i'm lucky,

00:33:51.189 --> 00:33:56.149
yeah we get to experience you you get to experience a more complete version

00:33:56.149 --> 00:34:01.849
of the martial art than a lot of a lot of other folks just can't do it because

00:34:01.849 --> 00:34:02.929
of physical limitations.

00:34:03.749 --> 00:34:06.869
Um but it also goes back to like my

00:34:06.869 --> 00:34:09.709
coaches and training partners like they don't let me

00:34:09.709 --> 00:34:13.449
make excuses that um i

00:34:13.449 --> 00:34:16.349
remember i was we were getting ready for a tournament

00:34:16.349 --> 00:34:19.829
and i asked vicente like hey what

00:34:19.829 --> 00:34:23.389
if my opponent does this and he

00:34:23.389 --> 00:34:26.009
was like dude you got to stop asking me he's like

00:34:26.009 --> 00:34:28.869
i don't know what it's like to have cp only you do

00:34:28.869 --> 00:34:31.649
so he was like i can give you a suggestion of what.

00:34:31.649 --> 00:34:34.309
I would do in that situation but you got to figure it out

00:34:34.309 --> 00:34:37.669
yourself because you're the only one that can that

00:34:37.669 --> 00:34:40.649
can understand yeah what it feels like

00:34:40.649 --> 00:34:44.109
and ever since then my competition iq like

00:34:44.109 --> 00:34:47.609
has grown because now i'm watching guys that

00:34:47.609 --> 00:34:51.189
i try to make my game after and

00:34:51.189 --> 00:34:54.009
i'm like okay well they do it with the two arms how am i

00:34:54.009 --> 00:34:57.069
gonna do it with one arm and actually that's that's

00:34:57.069 --> 00:35:00.229
pretty interesting so do you so you're studying

00:35:00.229 --> 00:35:03.269
you're studying other people's games and adapting

00:35:03.269 --> 00:35:06.089
yourself into that game essentially yeah

00:35:06.089 --> 00:35:10.569
yeah very very um specific athletes

00:35:10.569 --> 00:35:14.029
like i i study colabate um levi

00:35:14.029 --> 00:35:17.789
jones leary um elizabeth clay

00:35:17.789 --> 00:35:21.489
with her foot locks um like

00:35:21.489 --> 00:35:29.729
very specific athletes maize batos from aoj very barambolo heavy um i just like

00:35:29.729 --> 00:35:33.409
barambolo it's the only reason i add them to my game because they look cool

00:35:33.409 --> 00:35:38.149
they do look pretty cool um but yeah i mean so how.

00:35:38.929 --> 00:35:41.909
Like it's a little different if someone who has

00:35:41.909 --> 00:35:44.809
full mobility of both sides

00:35:44.809 --> 00:35:47.649
is watching because you know i can go and just try to

00:35:47.649 --> 00:35:50.369
replicate i mean it's not gonna be exact but you know i can go and try

00:35:50.369 --> 00:35:53.329
to replicate the exact movements and all that

00:35:53.329 --> 00:35:56.349
how do you approach that though

00:35:56.349 --> 00:35:59.249
so like i mean obviously you're doing it but and it's

00:35:59.249 --> 00:36:02.529
working but like what is do you have like a specific method of

00:36:02.529 --> 00:36:05.469
approaching to adapt those games to yourself like that

00:36:05.469 --> 00:36:08.949
that's kind of what i was trying to get at i'll watch like

00:36:08.949 --> 00:36:12.149
let's say i'm watching colabate compete and i see a

00:36:12.149 --> 00:36:14.869
variation he does well i'm in class and

00:36:14.869 --> 00:36:18.249
my coach shows a technique i'll try the

00:36:18.249 --> 00:36:21.209
technique the way they teach it and then go from

00:36:21.209 --> 00:36:24.489
there so you're kind of you're attempting

00:36:24.489 --> 00:36:30.329
it i'm attempting it the way they teach it as if I was able-bodied and then

00:36:30.329 --> 00:36:36.189
I'd walk through the steps like okay well this grip's not gonna this ain't happening

00:36:36.189 --> 00:36:41.789
how can I adjust to make it work.

00:36:42.470 --> 00:36:48.390
And sometimes, like, as long as I start in a position and end where they want

00:36:48.390 --> 00:36:54.610
me to, sometimes, you know, in between there isn't exactly what they're teaching.

00:36:54.890 --> 00:36:56.690
It's like math class, right? Yeah.

00:36:56.990 --> 00:36:59.490
It don't matter what happens.

00:36:59.850 --> 00:37:03.890
If you get the right answer, that's all that matters. You get to the destination.

00:37:04.210 --> 00:37:08.670
But, like, for example, like, sleeve and collar.

00:37:09.170 --> 00:37:14.470
Not going to happen for me. i'm either gonna grab the collar grab the sleeve

00:37:14.470 --> 00:37:21.610
i can't grab both so like if we're doing a sweep i have to like really like

00:37:21.610 --> 00:37:26.670
all right how am i gonna do this and as long as i end in the position.

00:37:27.170 --> 00:37:30.190
It's fine but sometimes in between there

00:37:30.190 --> 00:37:33.750
yeah because you you can't exactly yeah

00:37:33.750 --> 00:37:36.450
do you can't do the exact thing and i think that helps me in

00:37:36.450 --> 00:37:39.630
competition because it allows me it

00:37:39.630 --> 00:37:42.890
may it forces me to be technical it

00:37:42.890 --> 00:37:45.810
forces me to be intelligent and thinking

00:37:45.810 --> 00:37:49.230
on your feet like thinking through like what

00:37:49.230 --> 00:37:51.970
you just said where you're like well I can't do that

00:37:51.970 --> 00:37:57.010
I can't do this and having to like quickly make the decision for how you're

00:37:57.010 --> 00:38:01.770
going to shift gears for whatever the circumstances and in the training room

00:38:01.770 --> 00:38:06.870
like if you're my training partner we're gonna allow each other to do the technique

00:38:06.870 --> 00:38:10.270
and a tournament they're not gonna let me get that grit.

00:38:10.510 --> 00:38:13.370
You know like they're gonna fight you so

00:38:13.370 --> 00:38:16.650
even able-bodied dudes are sometimes

00:38:16.650 --> 00:38:20.010
gonna have to modify what they're doing because their

00:38:20.010 --> 00:38:23.030
opponents just not gonna let them get what they

00:38:23.030 --> 00:38:25.990
want yeah a lot of things work when the person's playing

00:38:25.990 --> 00:38:28.870
the same game as you and if they're not playing the same game as

00:38:28.870 --> 00:38:31.890
you you're not necessarily gonna be able to do yeah thing

00:38:31.890 --> 00:38:35.410
like and i think that intelligence that

00:38:35.410 --> 00:38:38.990
iq is really what sets the elite competitors

00:38:38.990 --> 00:38:41.990
apart from the good competitors when

00:38:41.990 --> 00:38:45.090
i bet i bet a lot of those adjustments that

00:38:45.090 --> 00:38:47.950
you make to probably open up a lot

00:38:47.950 --> 00:38:50.590
of those techniques because it's being done in a

00:38:50.590 --> 00:38:53.350
way that people don't normally see it done i mean

00:38:53.350 --> 00:38:57.650
obviously they're not letting you do anything but like you know if you're hitting

00:38:57.650 --> 00:39:03.070
a sweep from a adjusted position that they don't expect that sweep from like

00:39:03.070 --> 00:39:07.910
that definitely can play a factor in yeah i forget it was a couple weeks ago

00:39:07.910 --> 00:39:12.830
we were training and we were doing a de la java sweep.

00:39:13.744 --> 00:39:17.424
And like, it was weird and it was hard for me because you really needed two

00:39:17.424 --> 00:39:19.604
arms for this specific sweep.

00:39:19.984 --> 00:39:27.324
But somehow I made it work and got it. And Mikey was like, I don't, how'd you do that?

00:39:27.744 --> 00:39:30.044
He was like, I don't understand how you did that.

00:39:30.664 --> 00:39:35.724
And like, he tried to recreate it. He was like, yeah, I can't do that. Only I can do it.

00:39:36.904 --> 00:39:40.524
But secret moves. Well, yeah, I mean, I think I've said it like five times now,

00:39:40.624 --> 00:39:43.404
but I just think there's a lot of value to that.

00:39:43.864 --> 00:39:46.604
Dude i was gonna say the word adaptive i don't

00:39:46.604 --> 00:39:49.524
know what else to call it but just the exercise of being like bang

00:39:49.524 --> 00:39:53.124
all right fast fast decision making on pivoting doing

00:39:53.124 --> 00:39:56.064
something and just just committing to it yeah there's like a simplicity

00:39:56.064 --> 00:39:59.224
to that where you're like i'm not doing all that shit i can't do all this shit here are

00:39:59.224 --> 00:40:02.364
the two things i can do and i'm just i'm gonna do it because i

00:40:02.364 --> 00:40:05.784
have to because the game's coming and a lot of you

00:40:05.784 --> 00:40:08.804
know like non-adaptive athletes i think they struggle with

00:40:08.804 --> 00:40:11.804
that because that's just not an exercise they're they're they're

00:40:11.804 --> 00:40:14.764
accustomed to do things come easier so they're

00:40:14.764 --> 00:40:17.584
not forced to really sit there

00:40:17.584 --> 00:40:25.024
and like deep analyze the position they're in and look i mean you can look at

00:40:25.024 --> 00:40:30.324
all the world champions from this past week ibjjf how many of them actually

00:40:30.324 --> 00:40:35.044
did like really fancy stuff like adam did a butterfly sweep.

00:40:36.124 --> 00:40:39.464
Maesa i mean she does barambolos but like so

00:40:39.464 --> 00:40:42.484
do the basic barambola from a double guard pull

00:40:42.484 --> 00:40:45.344
to take the back like it's not all this

00:40:45.344 --> 00:40:52.184
fancy stuff that they their masters at like one or two things and they execute

00:40:52.184 --> 00:40:57.684
it perfectly well yeah i think you see i think you see that a lot too as as

00:40:57.684 --> 00:41:03.024
the level goes up there's like a point where it gets kind of fancy but then as it yeah Yeah.

00:41:03.444 --> 00:41:08.884
Then as it like continues, like that fancy stuff stops working and then it starts

00:41:08.884 --> 00:41:11.944
to simplify again and just becomes really good, simple stuff.

00:41:12.144 --> 00:41:17.084
And I think part of that is just because purple belts, I mean, we think we're the best.

00:41:18.204 --> 00:41:24.484
We're at that point where like, we're pretty good at jujitsu and we want to

00:41:24.484 --> 00:41:27.204
hit all this fancy stuff because it looks cool on camera.

00:41:27.204 --> 00:41:30.464
I think the i think the skill gap at purple purple

00:41:30.464 --> 00:41:33.404
belt is pretty broad too compared to like

00:41:33.404 --> 00:41:36.844
post purple like you have a lot more so

00:41:36.844 --> 00:41:40.344
there's more room to have those like crazy things like

00:41:40.344 --> 00:41:44.244
crazy stuff happens because there's a pretty big difference in

00:41:44.244 --> 00:41:47.324
i mean i've trained with some pretty high level

00:41:47.324 --> 00:41:50.104
purple balls and then i've also trained with some purple balls so i'm

00:41:50.104 --> 00:41:53.904
like i don't know if you're a purple ball man but

00:41:53.904 --> 00:41:57.364
also like maybe i'm just getting better like maybe

00:41:57.364 --> 00:42:00.204
i'm starting to reach that higher end of the

00:42:00.204 --> 00:42:03.244
purple belt but like the you don't

00:42:03.244 --> 00:42:06.524
see that for brown black belt like i feel like the

00:42:06.524 --> 00:42:09.564
the gap is closer in skill yeah it's

00:42:09.564 --> 00:42:12.524
usually a little bit easier to tell when something like when someone

00:42:12.524 --> 00:42:15.344
hits brown belt you usually can tell like oh yeah you're a

00:42:15.344 --> 00:42:18.464
brown belt yeah yeah you don't have as much like and then

00:42:18.464 --> 00:42:21.804
you got the blue belts that you know they're pretty

00:42:21.804 --> 00:42:25.104
they're okay but they're really just spazzy still

00:42:25.104 --> 00:42:27.824
and yep hurt the vole they got

00:42:27.824 --> 00:42:30.564
to be cooked a little bit longer yeah we have this one we have this

00:42:30.564 --> 00:42:33.604
one blue ball i love training with the kid but it physically

00:42:33.604 --> 00:42:38.724
hurts the vole like even when we're flow voling it just physically hurts he's

00:42:38.724 --> 00:42:41.804
like dude i don't know what i'm doing he's like you get me in a bad position

00:42:41.804 --> 00:42:46.204
i'm just trying to get out or they are they like bite on stuff a little hard.

00:42:46.204 --> 00:42:49.904
When you're you know we're just playing around here and they really go to rip.

00:42:49.904 --> 00:42:51.904
On stuff. Yeah. They're like feral children.

00:42:52.164 --> 00:42:54.664
Yeah. You got to break them. You got to break those stallions still.

00:42:55.064 --> 00:42:59.324
Yeah. They're, they're a little too, a little too, a little too hard. Little savages.

00:42:59.584 --> 00:43:05.224
Yeah. But I think that also is important to like who you train with and how

00:43:05.224 --> 00:43:10.304
you train matters. I know I've heard people say like, it doesn't matter who

00:43:10.304 --> 00:43:13.104
you train with as long as you have bodies to train.

00:43:13.224 --> 00:43:17.224
Like, yeah, Yeah, training with white belts are going to give you that cardio

00:43:17.224 --> 00:43:19.464
purse that you need, right?

00:43:19.644 --> 00:43:27.084
But if you're doing situationals for a specific tournament, a white belt's not

00:43:27.084 --> 00:43:31.744
going to give you the right reaction you need for a De La Hiva Barambola.

00:43:32.668 --> 00:43:37.008
Even if they're tough athletic people, too. Like, you can have tough athletic

00:43:37.008 --> 00:43:38.948
people who can play. It's a great cardio person.

00:43:39.028 --> 00:43:41.628
It's a great, like, sweat.

00:43:41.968 --> 00:43:49.368
But, like, you need those higher-level guys or athletes around your skill level

00:43:49.368 --> 00:43:52.008
to give you the right kind of reactions that you need.

00:43:52.128 --> 00:43:56.208
I think the white belt rounds, it's like a good, like, self-defense reminder.

00:43:56.548 --> 00:43:59.508
Yeah. Where you're like, okay, this is just, like, training with someone who's

00:43:59.508 --> 00:44:00.648
done a little bit of work.

00:44:00.748 --> 00:44:04.148
They're new still. this is like the civilian population and

00:44:04.148 --> 00:44:07.888
just remembering that I maybe just originally

00:44:07.888 --> 00:44:10.688
started doing this before all the competition to like be able

00:44:10.688 --> 00:44:13.848
to defend myself so you want to be good with like a variety.

00:44:13.848 --> 00:44:16.788
Of regular folks so you're a Walmart parking lot

00:44:16.788 --> 00:44:19.868
guy but as you go to compete like

00:44:19.868 --> 00:44:22.948
you said like you want bodies that resemble your tournament

00:44:22.948 --> 00:44:26.108
it's a topic that just makes my blood boil

00:44:26.108 --> 00:44:28.868
when I hear people say oh it doesn't matter who

00:44:28.868 --> 00:44:31.868
you train with as long as you're training as long as you have bodies

00:44:31.868 --> 00:44:35.668
to train i'm like no it 1000 matters

00:44:35.668 --> 00:44:38.788
like this past year well from

00:44:38.788 --> 00:44:42.888
november up until now has been my most successful competition

00:44:42.888 --> 00:44:45.928
run in my career and it's

00:44:45.928 --> 00:44:49.568
because i stopped going to any open mat i stopped

00:44:49.568 --> 00:44:52.868
training with just anyone and i'm strategic on

00:44:52.868 --> 00:44:56.348
who i train with how i train what classes

00:44:56.348 --> 00:44:59.048
I choose to go to knowing the type

00:44:59.048 --> 00:45:01.888
of bodies and skills sets that are

00:45:01.888 --> 00:45:04.708
in that training room and it's helped me

00:45:04.708 --> 00:45:07.408
tremendously are you um are you

00:45:07.408 --> 00:45:10.988
doing going for more quality over quantity

00:45:10.988 --> 00:45:14.348
in terms of your training too yeah yeah yeah I've

00:45:14.348 --> 00:45:20.728
gotten to the point and I think it was maybe five months in the purple belt

00:45:20.728 --> 00:45:26.508
where I've gotten comfortable saying no when some people ask me to roll i'm

00:45:26.508 --> 00:45:32.088
like no like i'm done my body like i've my body hurts.

00:45:32.648 --> 00:45:36.148
I have training tomorrow like i'm done or

00:45:36.148 --> 00:45:38.868
it's just like some people are really

00:45:38.868 --> 00:45:41.568
spazzy and you know i don't

00:45:41.568 --> 00:45:44.188
want to get hurt yeah it's like i just don't want to

00:45:44.188 --> 00:45:49.988
roll with you man yeah i've gotten comfortable saying no and i watched a clip

00:45:49.988 --> 00:45:55.068
with fion davis that she was talking about it she was like it's okay to say

00:45:55.068 --> 00:46:00.188
no like that doesn't mean you don't like the person anymore it just means you

00:46:00.188 --> 00:46:02.328
don't want to train with them um.

00:46:04.113 --> 00:46:07.993
It's helped me competition-wise. You're selective about who you work with.

00:46:08.153 --> 00:46:11.073
Yeah. You know what you're trying to do. Yeah, at Bluebell, dude,

00:46:11.073 --> 00:46:14.233
I was going to every open mat I could. I just wanted to train.

00:46:14.833 --> 00:46:21.613
And now it's not like that. Now it's like I have my specific group of people that I train with.

00:46:22.813 --> 00:46:29.693
And, you know, I have the small group of people that I trust with advice and

00:46:29.693 --> 00:46:33.213
guidance and what I need to work on, what I'm doing well.

00:46:34.093 --> 00:46:38.033
And that's helped me. You're on a journey, right? You know what you're trying

00:46:38.033 --> 00:46:40.033
to do and they know what you're trying to do too.

00:46:40.373 --> 00:46:45.213
So there's like the awareness that comes with that that provides a superior

00:46:45.213 --> 00:46:46.253
training environment for you.

00:46:46.393 --> 00:46:50.573
The pressure, I mean, just like any sport, right?

00:46:51.013 --> 00:46:56.833
If you start losing a lot, less the opportunities are going to come.

00:46:57.273 --> 00:47:01.513
It's just like if you fight in the UFC. If you go on a four-fight losing streak,

00:47:01.673 --> 00:47:02.973
you're probably going to get cut.

00:47:03.213 --> 00:47:08.573
And I mean, I know jujitsu is not like that necessarily, but like the more you

00:47:08.573 --> 00:47:11.313
lose, the less opportunities come.

00:47:11.513 --> 00:47:17.113
So you have that pressure of always evolving, always making sure you perform

00:47:17.113 --> 00:47:20.913
well and win and just continuing to get better.

00:47:20.913 --> 00:47:23.833
Yeah i mean especially like performing well right

00:47:23.833 --> 00:47:26.573
like we've talked about that like you have to

00:47:26.573 --> 00:47:29.413
you have to like losing in a

00:47:29.413 --> 00:47:32.453
certain way that oh like you were competitive

00:47:32.453 --> 00:47:35.853
or yeah you can't be you were smoke you were performing right

00:47:35.853 --> 00:47:39.253
like you were you were trying to keep this thing going like you were trying

00:47:39.253 --> 00:47:43.233
to put on a show for the people like there's you gotta you gotta lose the right

00:47:43.233 --> 00:47:48.053
way if you're gonna lose yeah like i lost the finals uh the nogi division in

00:47:48.053 --> 00:47:54.073
spain And the organizer came up to me and was like, man, your jiu-jitsu is beautiful.

00:47:54.373 --> 00:47:57.213
He was like, next time we have an event that we have super fights at.

00:47:58.550 --> 00:48:03.090
Let's talk about get you on the super fight card.

00:48:04.190 --> 00:48:10.590
But I lost that match. But it was how I lost and how I performed that opened

00:48:10.590 --> 00:48:14.310
that possibility of competing in the future with them.

00:48:14.530 --> 00:48:18.610
Well, and this has come up with a lot of competitors that we've talked to is

00:48:18.610 --> 00:48:20.710
the professionalism, right?

00:48:20.890 --> 00:48:27.130
How you approach these and all of that to where people want you back.

00:48:27.230 --> 00:48:34.730
Yeah. um even how you interact with the promoters like win or lose um and like

00:48:34.730 --> 00:48:36.730
everyone has a very similar.

00:48:37.390 --> 00:48:40.310
Take on it and everyone's like yeah like

00:48:40.310 --> 00:48:43.990
you have to be the guy whether

00:48:43.990 --> 00:48:46.730
or not you win or lose like yeah you can't be going out

00:48:46.730 --> 00:48:49.750
there even if you're winning if you go out there you win and

00:48:49.750 --> 00:48:52.570
you're quiet you just like shuffle back to

00:48:52.570 --> 00:48:56.050
the locker room and don't talk to anybody you don't like do anything

00:48:56.050 --> 00:48:58.990
you might even though you won you

00:48:58.990 --> 00:49:01.710
might not be asked back because you weren't exciting no

00:49:01.710 --> 00:49:04.750
one wants to see you right like so there's and that's

00:49:04.750 --> 00:49:07.950
why social media is so important like being active on

00:49:07.950 --> 00:49:11.350
social media having that presence um even

00:49:11.350 --> 00:49:14.490
if you don't have like a lot of followers like just being

00:49:14.490 --> 00:49:18.070
active and like showcasing that helps

00:49:18.070 --> 00:49:20.990
oh yeah that's definitely been a thing i've

00:49:20.990 --> 00:49:27.110
learned yeah yeah i was so many i mean i got to teach an adaptive seminar at

00:49:27.110 --> 00:49:32.970
the de la java academy in abu dhabi last year like because of social media i

00:49:32.970 --> 00:49:34.530
just shot up a message and they

00:49:34.530 --> 00:49:39.570
were like yeah man i was doing so well and then some big names walk in.

00:49:41.010 --> 00:49:44.430
And the the owner of the gym was like man you did fantastic but

00:49:44.430 --> 00:49:47.650
he was like i could tell you got starstruck when some of the when some

00:49:47.650 --> 00:49:50.530
of the big name black belts started walking in who showed

00:49:50.530 --> 00:49:53.750
up uh the autos girls

00:49:53.750 --> 00:50:02.490
the dream team like sarah gavao alexa hearse uh sarah uh lillian um the meow

00:50:02.490 --> 00:50:10.590
brothers were there uh felipe andrew was there his girlfriend i think her name's leticia,

00:50:11.510 --> 00:50:15.470
um some like big name guys and

00:50:15.470 --> 00:50:19.110
girls and it's like i like i

00:50:19.110 --> 00:50:23.430
watched them all the time to help my jiu-jitsu like this is so cool he's like

00:50:23.430 --> 00:50:26.990
i could tell you got starstruck they were at the seminar they were at the seminar

00:50:26.990 --> 00:50:30.690
watching your seminar yeah well that's pretty awesome that is awesome they were

00:50:30.690 --> 00:50:34.910
like and a lot of them came late so they were like waiting at the edge of the

00:50:34.910 --> 00:50:38.690
mat for waiting for me to give them. That's respectful.

00:50:38.990 --> 00:50:46.730
I like that. Like, it was so cool, like how open and honest and how, um,

00:50:47.290 --> 00:50:53.110
supportive they were of like adaptive jujitsu and like, I got the role,

00:50:53.310 --> 00:50:54.510
some of them and they were like, man,

00:50:55.190 --> 00:50:57.890
like for having CP, like keep going.

00:50:59.054 --> 00:51:02.214
Keep doing it like it was just really cool yeah that

00:51:02.214 --> 00:51:05.474
makes a big difference too it's it's nice to have like someone who you

00:51:05.474 --> 00:51:08.274
look up to kind of give you like a positive nudge because sometimes you meet

00:51:08.274 --> 00:51:13.474
sometimes you meet people and it's like they're not who you thought they were

00:51:13.474 --> 00:51:17.254
most of the time social media and stuff and then you meet them in person you're

00:51:17.254 --> 00:51:21.954
like you're not how i yeah you're not cool yeah yeah that happens you're a bad

00:51:21.954 --> 00:51:24.274
person but like everyone.

00:51:25.054 --> 00:51:28.314
I've met in a jujitsu community has been so

00:51:28.314 --> 00:51:31.754
supportive like and open that's great

00:51:31.754 --> 00:51:34.454
and just cool people i feel like

00:51:34.454 --> 00:51:37.574
if you're not a cool person in jujitsu you're gonna

00:51:37.574 --> 00:51:43.314
get eventually pursed out because the community is so like tight-knit together

00:51:43.314 --> 00:51:47.234
that like eventually you're gonna get pursed out yeah and i think those types

00:51:47.234 --> 00:51:52.394
of people kind of end up together anyways like Like they end up in the room

00:51:52.394 --> 00:51:56.614
full of the guys who just aren't cool to other dudes or girls, whatever.

00:51:56.914 --> 00:52:00.574
But, you know, like those, um, those people definitely flock,

00:52:00.734 --> 00:52:04.334
right? Like it's, it's a clicky sport as well.

00:52:04.574 --> 00:52:08.314
Like it's pretty, it's welcoming, but it's also, it's very clicky.

00:52:08.614 --> 00:52:16.174
So, uh, yeah, I mean, barring any additional remarks, um, I think,

00:52:16.434 --> 00:52:19.274
you know, I think we kind of hit the, hit the topic pretty well.

00:52:19.274 --> 00:52:22.074
Um thank you again rj for coming on being

00:52:22.074 --> 00:52:24.934
on a second episode with us um you find

00:52:24.934 --> 00:52:29.054
him the one handed bandit on instagram um

00:52:29.054 --> 00:52:33.754
again reach out to him uh for any adaptive seminars he's setting up a seminar

00:52:33.754 --> 00:52:40.954
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