(Ep 13) The Journey from Student to Teacher

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Welcome to Fighters Drinking Coffee. Today, we actually have a listener question

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from the Discord that we're going to use to kick off our conversation.

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And so, Scott, the process of going from student to teacher,

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that was the question that came up. I thought it was a pretty good one. It got me thinking.

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So, yeah, I mean, how about you kick us off that

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change of how did going from being

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like the student in the room because we were actually both around the

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same time at Nova when this like it kind

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of hit both of us around the same time we were both kind of

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just in the room learning for a bit and then

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just kind of in transition some people

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left some new people came in and there was a kind of a

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gap um and so like what was what

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was it like going from like oh I'm just a guy in the

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room I'm training I'm here to train and then now like oh like

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I'm one the senior the senior

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ranking member uh of like the grappling program

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but also like now you are the coach of

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a lot of these people yeah dude so interestingly

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when we were training together at

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nova i was a purple belt

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and i had actually started teaching

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as a blue belt in lexington Kentucky where I

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was where I'm from before I moved to to the DC area

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um and I started teaching as a blue belt dude and

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this was like back in the day when like so I started training

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in 2005 and uh I got my blue belt

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after about like like 20-ish months like almost two years like between 18 to

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24 months like the kind of the typical ish range for a blue belt um I think

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I may have had like maybe one or two straps I was like it wasn't a brand new

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blue belt I might have gotten up to like three to four stripes blue belt.

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So like on my way to purple belt.

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And, um, this is interesting. Uh, I love this question, by the way,

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there's a lot I can say about this. So I'll try to like keep myself from ranting too much, but,

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At the same time, I will rant. Anyways. Rant a little bit. I am.

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So I remember, I'm going to get to the question, but I think it's relevant to

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share the background because I was like, this was in 2005 when,

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and in Kentucky, it's not like a densely populated.

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High concentration of jiu-jitsu academies. That wasn't really in a lot of places

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in 2005 anyways, except for like maybe California, South Florida, New York.

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There were parts of the United States where there were quite a lot of people training.

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But in 2005, man, this sport was just like emerging in the United States as like a thing.

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So there were a couple of good gyms in Kentucky. Actually, we were batting above our, batting above?

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Punching above our weight class perhaps is the phrase. We had really,

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I mean, shout out to Mike O'Donnell and the Carlson Gracie squad at Four Seasons MMA.

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Still love that gym. That's a conversation. That gym is legendary for a whole

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other set of reasons. We'll talk about it another time, but awesome gym.

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And um mike was nasty and he was the first black belt in kentucky uh he's a business owner and um.

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When i got my when he asked me to coach which

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was really cool i remember being like wow that's i felt

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pretty cool when he did that i think um looking at

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that perspective too i mean he's a business owner too so

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i think he wanted like someone who would like show up on time do a

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job i mean i can as a business owner i i relate

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a lot to that and then obviously there's like the awareness and knowledge base

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and like you know a little bit of personality like how's this dude gonna be

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in front of my my customers you think you put all that together plus like enough

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awareness like he had watched me um get promoted and watch my my um my growth

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or whatever at that point so

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there's a little bit of trust that was that was kind of neat to do but dude

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when I first started coaching um it was basically like fuck dude I was a brand

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new coach I didn't know I mean I'm being a little hard on myself. I didn't know a lot.

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I mean, I'm all, you know, I've been coaching now for 18 years.

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So I'd like to think I'm a much better coach now than I was then.

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But when you first start out, dude, it's like, you just kind of show what you know.

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You just want to be like, all right, like, what can I, what can I give?

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What value do I have to provide to these, to these students?

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And my perspective has changed a lot to get to the, the real root of the question.

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But like my, I'm working my way back to, to Nova when I really began coaching

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and also taking a bit more seriously because I wanted to get paid and like turn it into a career.

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So therefore I was like, oh, I got to think about providing an like actual,

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like I got to increase the value of what I'm doing for not just the members,

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but for the business owner.

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And then like, can I grow my skills as a coach? And then, you know,

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by the way, like spoiler alert, five, you know, a bunch of years later,

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I now own an academy and I teach a lot more people.

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So it's like, I, this is something I wanted to get better at doing is what I'm saying.

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Um, but so like I, I, I taught in Kentucky for a while, got my purple blood

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there, kept on teaching, had a couple of classes a week that were my classes and.

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Moved up here and I stopped coaching because, you know, I'm moving to a new area.

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I'm going to other gyms as a student, which I actually appreciated because I

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knew I needed to learn a lot more.

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And, uh, by the time we got to Nova and we were working with a few different

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folks, uh, who are coaching us and the opportunities arose with,

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with the, the business owner of Nova at the time, um,

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she needed some help with staffing.

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And, uh, I was interested in picking up

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like side gigs this is around the time in my career too where

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I was like fuck these office jobs like this is gonna be like a slow

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miserable death for me so I have to find a way out

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and I was like all right what am I what are my interests do

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I have any marketable skills what can I do to get paid and I'm like all right

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jiu-jitsu I do this shit all the time I love this maybe I can start doing like

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get some gigs yeah and then just scale that up like it paid a little bit and

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so that was around the time when everything I just mentioned a moment ago where

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I'm like all right like let me like become a bit more professional about how

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I do this and try to escalate.

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My ability to provide that value for people and and we're also competing about

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the most that's commensurate with me wanting to be a better the better i am

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at the martial art the the more i will

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be able to provide perspective and value to people which is ultimately what

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i'm going to get to on like the student to teacher thread but anyways man like

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i mean this is like you know me and you were linking up and we're training the

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shit ton together back then uh we were doing like remember like 5 30 a.m lifting

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sessions oh and we would get up at like so probably i mean i would get up for like five, dude.

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We would lift at like 5.30 and then... Do a little bit of training.

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We would do a little bit of training or like some days you would go to...

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I would shower there. We would do some wrestling.

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We would even do some podcasting, by the way.

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Yeah, we would do podcasting afterwards in our little studio.

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Be at work by like 8.39 or something, dude. Yeah.

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And some days after you would leave, I would roll with Sam Perdomo. Yep.

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Shout out to Perdomo. Yeah. He's still going, dude. he's a

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beast dude he is he's the man um but yeah

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we were fucking little mat demons because we

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just like that a lot i mean i worked at the gym yep that

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was like my job so working there was you know being there wasn't as big a deal

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but well and kind of like what i would my my reaction to that dude is a lot

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like what i was just saying where it's like what you like me like we're both

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like the more time you're on the mat the more you're soaking up expertise and

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knowledge and you were also working a lot with customers like you were like

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doing privates and stuff if i recall Well,

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yeah, I had privates like a lot of time I'd finish with you. We'd finish training.

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Then a lot of time I'd have like, I'd either have a private right afterwards

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or I'd have one around lunchtime.

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Yeah, it was because, yeah, around the same time you started,

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like we both started coaching there around the same time. I started a little bit.

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No. Did you start at the old location too, coaching? No, I started at the Quincy.

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Because I started filling in at the old single level, the old smaller location.

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But I wasn't a full-time coach until we both started that around the same time.

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And that was another interesting thing too, again, business perspective.

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I think the business owner, she was like, yo, I need people who are going to show up on time.

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Because jiu-jitsu people are kind of wild, man. They're not always reliable.

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I hate to say it. you know it's just a fact but i think that

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was one thing he was like we're both gonna show up on time we're gonna do our job and i

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think like ultimately she's like you guys have like you're ranked you know

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more than i do you're gonna show up on time can you please come

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in and like teach these guys i'm like hey you look like you know enough yeah

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being a little the cauliflower your help for

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me totally well but like to that point

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man and like this is like the ultimate thing i want to say about going from

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like student to teacher is that i

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think your perspective changes quite a bit when you're

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a student and then i'll even add in like competitor too

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because i think it that path exposes

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you to like more of the depth of what's required to

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be good at the martial art because the nature

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of competition requires you like under pressure to like actually understand

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what you're trying to do and then you must do it or you lose i think that that

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will say like that plus being a student and those that the the the understanding

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of of what the objective of the martial art is um.

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Just transitioning the lens over to like now if

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you have some level of understanding of

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that goal then saying all right well

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now i need to convey this to a room

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of people who have differing degrees of

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uh of goals themselves they may not all want to be competitors they

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just want to learn it they want to just pick up a skill for

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fun or whatever either way everyone in

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the room just wants to understanding it better at the martial art so whatever

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their perspective is like those other roles that I'm alluding to student and

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competitor I think it just helps you get that like root

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of what we're trying to achieve in Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu or anything

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MMA you name it um and then when you

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have when you have to teach it you have to really think about like I

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think a teacher's job at its core is

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how can i make everybody in the

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room better at this martial art faster than

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i was like i think our job is to think about

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all the mistakes and things we've learned like how long did it take me to i

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like talking about arm triangles because i've been teaching it that move since

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lexington gonzaga for like 18 years we're teaching the same move and i i like

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that because like a dma a lot of people know how to do it pretty well in my

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opinion which is cool because.

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I've tried to track this one like one technique that I've been teaching for

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this many years for almost two decades,

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and I asked myself like how quickly can I show someone who doesn't know anything

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about this martial art to figure this out in as short amount of time as possible

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or at least get to some degree of competency they're not going to figure it

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out right away but get them to where they can do it in a shorter duration it took me to do it,

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so it's like you're a dad I don't know if it's maybe there's a parallel to this

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but it's like hey I want to teach these people who are paying me,

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To learn a thing faster than I learned it. Yeah, you want them to learn.

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Avoid our mistakes. Yeah, you want them to learn without having to.

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Stumble through all the shit that we stumbled through. Yeah,

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you've already done the trialing and the failing and all that.

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So you want to try to teach them in a way that they don't have to go through as much of that.

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Like, you're taking out all the stopgaps, all the troubleshooting.

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Because, like, I mean, heck, when

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we were, a lot of the stuff when we were learning it, at least for me.

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Like, it was like, oh this is the move do it

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right like you didn't necessarily because i

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mean a lot of times we're just like all right what are we doing today like because it

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was such like a in and out of instructors at the start that

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it was like all right well we need to do something it's like well today we're

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going to do kimuras right let's all try to figure out a kimura today right and like

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because i mean a lot of it there were times where it was

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just like all right we're just gonna all just like show up and just fucking bang yeah

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just just go and so you're just trying to like you have

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to trouble you know what the move is you know what it looks like

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and you have to troubleshoot it all the way through and so

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yeah you're trying to take that whole process out for

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these guys because like you don't have we didn't have the person showing

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us the details all the time right like for stuff that we were trying

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to learn because we had to be the ones to teach it so

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we had to we had to do all the troubleshooting we

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had to build the technique around how we

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do it find out all of our little details of our

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little like black magic jujitsu tricks and um

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and so like the goal yeah

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is to try to get them to not have to go through that

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process and sometimes you do want them to

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go through like there are especially for

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like eco nerds like there's a discovery process that person has to have themselves

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like you can give them the tool but like you do need to also like hey you do

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need to figure out how to apply this but like let me go ahead and show you the

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tricks but there is the difference when it's live versus now,

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right? Dude, a thousand percent.

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I mean, on that point, this isn't like jiu-jitsu isn't like some a priori. Yeah. Like learning...

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Process where like you just inherently know it you don't inherently know it

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you have to show them some technique and then be like all right now you got

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to give them enough framework and enough,

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raw materials to then allow them to discover it if you're just like

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go do the position and they have no idea what

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they're supposed to do i'm not saying that's what eco does necessarily but

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like the point i think we're both saying is like you got to give them some direction and

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then yes i agree you deploy them to then go

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and discover some of this themselves because i i do think that

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that's the best way to learn which is just showing

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a technique and then leaving it at that

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it can it'll get them on the path but um

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orienting like maybe drills or exercises

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to get them to connect the dots on how to implement this thing against uh some

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degree of resistance is it's it's a really good way to learn so i especially

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with a little side sidebar comment on like some eco i guess since we're calling

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it that i don't like calling it that cla i whatever there's like.

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Yeah yeah all that shit right but like not to

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shit on eco but like i think it does depend on your

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audience content just to bow up

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this sidebar real quick i heard this tangent um i

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think i think the efficacy of the eco

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model probably depends a little bit on who your audience is like

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i would say i do kind of like a cla hybrid

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with the old like you know

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show the move drill the move thing just because the

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the guys that i'm coaching and like

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something you know let's fast track this learning product like

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i'm going to show you the thing and i'm going to make you do it in a live scenario you're

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doing both you're doing both when you when you but you know

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it's like hey like we're not gonna we're not

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gonna sit here and try to figure this out in the live scenario the whole time

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because they all go to work immediately afterwards they're gonna forget all

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that shit like i'm gonna give you i'm gonna give you one answer and then you

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can figure out some more answers that's fine but i want you to have something

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so you're not just both you know hugging on them just wandering around figuring

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it out yeah i get it i get it yeah yeah um,

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anyways but yeah but well you know but it's interesting so like to to your point

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yeah it definitely started off as like hey i gotta teach in about you know i

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gotta teach tonight i got a six o'clock class or whatever and i just gotta show

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something it goes from that to

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then having like this is the journey of the instructor as the instructor.

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Um, improves or perhaps like the, the job of the instructor changes.

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Like my job now is kind of building curriculums in a program.

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And this is like a bit of a shout out to NACAPAN, who's talked about this from

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like a business perspective, a bunch on his, and he posts about this on Instagram.

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He does this with his business networking group, which is, it's got to have

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a program, not just a class.

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Um, but that, like that, that comes with time.

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Like, and when you, when you start programming and like, is your,

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your scope goes from I'm training 15 to 25 people in a class to like now I'm

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still doing some I'm doing that alongside of guiding like hundreds of members,

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towards a a system to teach them the big picture and that that comes with time and so like for me.

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Learning how to do that and continuing to

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learn how to do that you have to like you have

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to have a vision for what the big picture like what do you want these dudes

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to understand about jiu-jitsu and a lot of times it gets down to like basic

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things doesn't mean it's easy but basic things like you need to understand how

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to be defensive everywhere to then be capable of executing offense,

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everywhere this is like a very that's just an example very simple doesn't mean

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easy because that'll take a long time but like as you if you have a question

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like that or an objective like this is i want everyone who signs up and does

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jiu-jitsu to start off being able to defend themselves and then eventually get

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good enough at doing that.

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And if they're not just trying to survive all the time and when they're brand

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new, they will be trying to survive all the time, but that's a good way to like

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develop that defensive mindset.

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Baseline once they got enough of that down like

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when you're not on defense all the time you actually have some gaps to

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then think about attacking people and that's ultimately

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where we want to get people because like as someone improves their

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skills this like they want to become like a weapon not just a target so

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you get good enough defensively to then allow yourself

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to be offensive again just using that

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example um but then you think about like all right throughout the

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year how do we map out monthly weekly

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and then ultimately daily classes and then you match that

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with a team of instructors which like for example i have

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this is way different than what we were doing back in nova because it was like

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me and you and like and like one or two other guys and we were kind of disparate

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and we weren't a couple we weren't super coordinated but again we weren't i

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mean i wasn't in a position to think about these things at the time where now

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i am a bit more perspective and more experience but you got to think about how

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do you convey to your your

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your staff of coaches a unified

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objective throughout the year the quarter the month down to the week down to

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the day like what are we all doing across our different classes with room for

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each coach to be uh unique and different because that's a really valuable thing

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about having a team of coaches is like we're not all going to do the exact same

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thing the exact same way nor should we,

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can all be working on the same thing like i'll give you an example like in the month of may.

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My students will be working on mount and back mount primarily with most of the

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focus being on offense from those positions balanced with a little bit of defense.

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The defense is never completely gone, but I'd say it's going to be like 75,

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25, maybe 80, 20, thereabouts.

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The focus mostly being on offense because we've been doing a lot of defense already.

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So now it's time to kind of shift that focus, but that's what we're doing for the month.

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And every coach should, if they're listening, they should be sticking to that,

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because you know we're a team and if we're all working on the same thing it's

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going to be better for our students but,

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Each of the coaches will get to do that in their own little way.

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I'm not going to micromanage how they do it. If someone, you know,

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I will be overseeing. I will be popping in and checking stuff out.

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I will be watching you. But someone's making some like egregious error.

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Like I also don't want to get in the way of my teachers, my teammates,

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figuring out how to do their jobs better because that discovery process applies to coaching too.

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You got to like learn back to what I was saying earlier where it's like you

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got to like figure out, all right, what? And this is something I think about too.

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Back to what you were saying about the classes when you're talking about the

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eco thing versus when me and you show up at 8am on a Saturday with a room full

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of people who are experienced,

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they benefit a lot from the ecosystem CLA call it whatever you want because

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they all have a baseline of pretty well developed knowledge.

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Therefore we can get into specific some positionals and

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work out stuff and that discovery process is actually really valuable

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for people who have knowledge white belts on the other hand

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if you're teaching that class it's a lot different like you got to feed them

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something and then do what i usually do with my white belts too because

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i teach all levels classes as well as advanced classes and all levels

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classes i really like that class because i can keep it but i

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was i'm trying to connect this like i want the teachers to understand the audience

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they're talking to and what that audience like what did you need when you were

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a white belt do you need like to be telling a white belt this really complicated

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like de la jiva system probably not because they're white belts and like you

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said they're going to, we're going to, after classes, they're going to run off and like,

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go to happy hour, eat dinner, watch TV or whatever. Like they're not going to

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remember all this complicated shit.

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So it's like, give them, like give them white belt level stuff.

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That's like, you know, it's going to be valuable.

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You know, it's fairly easy to understand people learn in different ways,

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but like give them something simple, give them a takeaway that I like. I think less is more.

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A lot of times I give them one to two things that, um, I mean, we think are simple.

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Maybe they're still kind of overwhelmed by, but as long as they keep showing up like you want

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to make them feel like they're getting parts of it if you're giving them

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something too complicated you might be over their head that might demoralize and

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they might think to themselves like this is too complex i don't know this shit am i

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not smart enough to do it that or you end up with you know they have

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they have this lexicon of advanced moves but

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they don't have a way to like they they don't not even put it in they don't

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know how to fit it into the game so they have all these like advanced moves

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but i think there's a big problem with like people because like you see like

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like big big name coaches out there trying to like sound like intellectuals

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a lot of times like i don't think trying to sound complicated and smart shows

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that you're smart it's just in anything.

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I've been teaching and coaching sports for, I mean, truly for over 20 years. I coached swimming.

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I've done a bunch of stuff. I've been in a lot of coaching roles. Like, keep it simple.

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The way to, mastery is being able to explain something complicated in a really

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simple way that someone can learn quickly. If you can do that,

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now you're getting onto it.

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It's not like going on a podcast and like trying to sound like really cool, like really smart.

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It's not. Like you just sound like arrogant and like egotistical and like an

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intellectual nerd, which, um, an arrogant intellectual nerd.

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Intellectual nerds rule but like arrogant intellectual nerds

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that's another thing it just comes off as like all right self-aggrandizing like

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i get it you think you're awesome no it's it's it's transparent

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people see it and they don't like it but anyways it

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works on some people if like you like running a cult like some people really like getting

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into that cult of personality thing it's a whole other conversation uh but i

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don't think that you need to do that i think you just need to be like hey like

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i have a job to do the job isn't to promote myself my job is like sound awesome

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in a public setting you can maybe get a little bit of that like it's to get

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the white belts in the room give them something simple like they should be like they should,

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objectively be growing and so anyways the

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last point on that topic with the all levels classes what i like to do is like

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i show them one or two things i do it relatively quickly i go around and make

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sure that they're at least getting progress on that and if you have a room of

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like 30 people like some people will get it quickly some people will get it

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slowly some people will be in the middle um and then you go and deploy them

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in drills you can connect it that there is that value of the drilling,

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game, CLA or whatever.

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Learning method that I think you can combine both.

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And you let them play a little bit, man. Like, these people are paying customers.

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Have them go out and do some rounds. They want to sweat. They want to work out.

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Yeah, at the end of the day, a lot of these guys, this is probably...

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Good portion of the non-competitive people like a

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lot of your people are doing it as a hobby or recreationally like

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this might be their their workout you know

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and it's like i always try to take that into account like hey like yeah learning's

00:23:24.576 --> 00:23:29.576
cool but like at the end of the day that person might this might be the only

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exercise they get maybe twice a week they gotta sweat and so like they they

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are paying to do this for more than just knowledge a lot of the time well and

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And to that point though,

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too, like that, that the going out and rolling around,

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however you want to, I mean, I've done classes where I've, I've had them like,

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uh, positionally roll, which is a little bit of both.

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And that's, it's both an exercise and it's both educational at the same time. So you can do that.

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Last thing on this too, it's like, like you made a comment about like some of

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those guys aren't going to be competitors, which is another thing to think about too.

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Like when you're, when you're in that teaching perspective, you got to ask yourself,

00:24:03.256 --> 00:24:05.336
this just goes back to like, know your customer, know your audience,

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like what are they looking for?

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And so again back to the curriculum and like

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system thing when you think about building something for a big group of people like

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what what's something everyone whether they're a competitor or

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like a non-competitor what would they all benefit from and

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usually if everyone benefits from the same thing because you have to start

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thinking about the stuff in scale it's not like what does

00:24:24.696 --> 00:24:27.336
mike the guy who's fighting in a month need or am i going to go into a white

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belt class and teach a class based around what the purple

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belts need or can i teach something this is i think this is

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the challenge and it can be another master thing if you can figure out a

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way to structure a class that everyone

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from white belt up to like purple brown black can come

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in and get some value out of like i think that's more sophisticated than

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like trying to go in and like splitting at

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them in a class yeah i mean we because i just don't

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i don't i think that's necessary yeah so like we um as we don't have a we're

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not like a major at battlefield we're not a major competition school like we

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are mostly recreational but we have in the classes that i both attend and teach

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the time of day that I'm there coaching um.

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Right now I'm out of the coaching arc just because I'm competing.

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And so we will do intensive camps essentially when we have the local IBJJFs

00:25:20.116 --> 00:25:25.656
coming up because more people compete in that out of the gym than in the other stuff.

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So we have a large portion of the gym all competing at the same time.

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So it's easy to be like, all right, we can be a little more zoned in on this.

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Occasionally too, I think the non-competitors, they like that too. They want to be around.

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That's a cool culture to be a part of. design it in a

00:25:41.396 --> 00:25:44.176
way that like we're not just you know we're not only gonna do hard

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rounds and stuff like that like we have you have to take into account

00:25:47.116 --> 00:25:49.856
like all right we have half the

00:25:49.856 --> 00:25:53.716
room is competing the other half isn't or you know a lot of time that other

00:25:53.716 --> 00:25:57.416
half is kind of new um and so it's like all right half the room's competing

00:25:57.416 --> 00:26:01.176
we need to make sure that we structure this in a way that those guys are getting

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what they need but we're not either turning these other people into just nails

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or boring them with just, you know,

00:26:09.956 --> 00:26:13.936
endless positional or, you know, stuff where they feel like they're not getting

00:26:13.936 --> 00:26:17.196
what they, what they are looking for.

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And actually someone made a comment in class about this and I was like,

00:26:21.296 --> 00:26:24.676
yeah, shit, dude, like that's, it's like, Hey man, like I should be,

00:26:24.816 --> 00:26:26.856
if you are feeling like, oh man,

00:26:26.956 --> 00:26:29.676
like I'm going to, I'm not going to learn anything for the next 10 weeks.

00:26:29.816 --> 00:26:31.916
Like that's on me. I need to fix that for you.

00:26:32.156 --> 00:26:34.736
Right. It's like, all right, let's, let's adjust this in a way.

00:26:34.736 --> 00:26:39.956
So like, you know, we'll do what I'm trying to do right now.

00:26:39.956 --> 00:26:42.636
And it's different than what we did for the last one.

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Um, so we're doing 10 weeks and we're doing blocks. So we'll do like 15 minute blocks.

00:26:49.036 --> 00:26:51.156
Like, all right, we'll do 15 minutes stand up. Some weeks we'll probably do

00:26:51.156 --> 00:26:53.996
the entire thing, stand up, but an entire class stand up.

00:26:54.136 --> 00:26:57.876
But it's like, all right, we're gonna do 15 minutes of kind of stand up work

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in a format where like, Hey, we're getting our heart pumping,

00:27:00.736 --> 00:27:05.116
but we're also like, we're going to try to get the heart pumping,

00:27:05.276 --> 00:27:06.556
but at the same time, we're going to be.

00:27:07.306 --> 00:27:10.306
Reaching goals so we create like all right we're gonna do hand fighting

00:27:10.306 --> 00:27:13.866
your goal is to achieve one of these three grips and

00:27:13.866 --> 00:27:16.606
then we're gonna go into takedowns starting from one

00:27:16.606 --> 00:27:20.206
of those three grips and so like we're creating

00:27:20.206 --> 00:27:25.366
the pathway for them and then we end up they're looking for a goal to achieve

00:27:25.366 --> 00:27:29.546
so they are still learning something i mean you're i mean this is obviously

00:27:29.546 --> 00:27:33.506
this is just cla eco stuff but we're making a very like we're tightening it

00:27:33.506 --> 00:27:38.146
up a lot um but then you know So then we go into our rounds.

00:27:38.326 --> 00:27:40.866
It's like we're doing the positional. But at the end of it, what I'm trying

00:27:40.866 --> 00:27:45.846
to do is I'm in the mix of this, but I'm trying to watch.

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And we're rotating a lot so I get to feel everybody.

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And at the end of it, it's like, all right, hey, everybody did a great job.

00:27:52.986 --> 00:27:53.866
You all worked really hard.

00:27:54.346 --> 00:27:56.966
Here's some things I noticed from everyone in the room.

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Here's some things to address. And so that way they're still getting instruction.

00:28:01.926 --> 00:28:06.646
They feel like they're learning something. and like I'm not teaching you a move but I'm teaching you.

00:28:06.706 --> 00:28:10.886
You kind of are though. I'm correcting you know like this week there was your

00:28:10.886 --> 00:28:12.846
I put them a lot of half guard.

00:28:13.046 --> 00:28:16.926
I've been really focusing on like that half guard chest to chest for people,

00:28:17.466 --> 00:28:22.706
and I was like hey like a lot of you were like trying to pin with your arms

00:28:22.706 --> 00:28:28.206
like get your head involved like you're all being really heavy on the hips.

00:28:28.486 --> 00:28:32.066
That's when you're gonna get swept let's get heavy up top. We need to pin them.

00:28:32.206 --> 00:28:35.226
We don't need to sit on their hips anymore we already were most of

00:28:35.226 --> 00:28:38.106
the way past those hips so like you know i'm trying to

00:28:38.106 --> 00:28:41.006
get away we're putting away we're like all right we're gonna go

00:28:41.006 --> 00:28:44.046
intense for these 45 minutes and then i'll do

00:28:44.046 --> 00:28:46.826
this real let's show you guys this stuff real quick and then we're gonna

00:28:46.826 --> 00:28:49.566
roll yep so that way they're getting some instruction like trying

00:28:49.566 --> 00:28:52.646
to make a way to hybridize like what would be fundamental

00:28:52.646 --> 00:28:56.046
versus like competition because i

00:28:56.046 --> 00:28:58.966
mean it's split in the room like not everybody's competing in july

00:28:58.966 --> 00:29:01.786
so i need to make sure that i have something that touches both

00:29:01.786 --> 00:29:05.526
them what you're describing right there is like you you took the time as a coach

00:29:05.526 --> 00:29:09.446
to think about i mean it's everything we just discussed really you you're like

00:29:09.446 --> 00:29:12.946
all right i've got a diverse room of people who are regular students and some

00:29:12.946 --> 00:29:17.186
dudes are competing in about 10 weeks or whatever what can i do and by the way

00:29:17.186 --> 00:29:20.906
like i to just to i to build up what you're saying i'd say.

00:29:21.737 --> 00:29:24.737
The if I heard you correctly like one of the classes was

00:29:24.737 --> 00:29:27.677
like hey this is the hand fighting system we're going to do yeah try

00:29:27.677 --> 00:29:30.797
to get one of these three objectives the next practice

00:29:30.797 --> 00:29:34.037
or exercise or drill or whatever in that class is then like practice it

00:29:34.037 --> 00:29:36.857
try to like actually execute it and follow up

00:29:36.857 --> 00:29:39.657
with the live sparring or whatever we're like again you're kind of doing that you've

00:29:39.657 --> 00:29:42.617
actually given them a lot of instructions there dude for some new

00:29:42.617 --> 00:29:45.437
people that is I mean that is technique I think when you get

00:29:45.437 --> 00:29:48.677
to a really when you've become quite

00:29:48.677 --> 00:29:52.397
experience and knowledgeableness like you you tend to underestimate how

00:29:52.397 --> 00:29:55.017
valuable little things like like our lens might think like well i

00:29:55.017 --> 00:29:57.877
haven't even been teaching to someone who's not as experienced as

00:29:57.877 --> 00:30:00.717
you in that same class and there will be people there they might be thinking well

00:30:00.717 --> 00:30:03.317
shit man that's actually a lot and this goes back to what i

00:30:03.317 --> 00:30:06.757
was saying where it's like like newer people don't need a ton of shit well

00:30:06.757 --> 00:30:10.197
i guess simple is good dude it's a it's a

00:30:10.197 --> 00:30:13.377
branch off of what like how what

00:30:13.377 --> 00:30:16.177
they're used to learning right i get it is like i know what you're saying yeah

00:30:16.177 --> 00:30:19.077
i know exactly what you're saying so i mean a lot of i i try it's different

00:30:19.077 --> 00:30:22.137
than being like we're gonna be doing the three submissions from whatever yeah

00:30:22.137 --> 00:30:27.617
rep it 15 times each all right go spar yeah it is different than that but what

00:30:27.617 --> 00:30:31.657
i would i would just say like because i think that's a good exercise for you

00:30:31.657 --> 00:30:34.257
as a coach and what you just described where you thought about like hey i want

00:30:34.257 --> 00:30:38.717
to do something that's valuable for everyone so everyone wins yeah in this class

00:30:38.717 --> 00:30:41.437
competitor or not and i I think you did.

00:30:41.937 --> 00:30:47.037
I think you did. Because like I said, like that one thing might be plenty of contact.

00:30:47.177 --> 00:30:50.077
Like, I mean, dude, like people are, students aren't likely to come up to you

00:30:50.077 --> 00:30:52.317
and tell you like, I didn't learn any, they're not going to come up and say,

00:30:52.477 --> 00:30:53.337
dude, that was too much shit.

00:30:54.497 --> 00:30:56.577
I mean, maybe they will. Maybe like, I mean, if you have someone who's really

00:30:56.577 --> 00:31:00.317
honest with you, like that's, that's good feedback. But I think there's probably

00:31:00.317 --> 00:31:04.577
a whole shitload of people in that room. And like, you've basically built like a little exercise.

00:31:04.617 --> 00:31:07.417
It's super valuable for competitors, but the new people are learning it too.

00:31:07.417 --> 00:31:11.317
They might say dude that was all I really needed that was good it's hard and

00:31:11.317 --> 00:31:14.617
I learned something it wasn't 15 things and I walk away kind of feeling self

00:31:14.617 --> 00:31:18.797
conscious because I only remember half of a technique because people gotta absorb

00:31:18.797 --> 00:31:24.257
all this shit it's a lot at one time so one or two things hey like we're gonna do you gotta collar tie.

00:31:25.497 --> 00:31:29.717
Russian to arm drag Russian to whatever and they might be like alright nice

00:31:29.717 --> 00:31:32.437
cool can we please stop there like they might be thinking that they might be

00:31:32.437 --> 00:31:36.357
like dude that's plenty there are so many days when I think that and I've been

00:31:36.357 --> 00:31:38.617
doing this for 20 years where I'm like, yo, I just need two things,

00:31:38.957 --> 00:31:40.217
particularly like in wrestling or whatever.

00:31:40.357 --> 00:31:43.137
Like, well, there's like, or jujitsu too. Like I'll go to seminars where I'll

00:31:43.137 --> 00:31:45.097
hear like 50 things and they're all really badass.

00:31:45.597 --> 00:31:47.877
But I'm like, in my head, I'm like, all right, if I can walk out of here with

00:31:47.877 --> 00:31:51.477
two actionable things that I understand and can actually execute and I'm capable

00:31:51.477 --> 00:31:53.977
of practicing it, that's all I need.

00:31:54.017 --> 00:31:56.537
You're like, bro, I just- That's the return of my trust. That's what I take

00:31:56.537 --> 00:31:57.517
out of this. Yeah, for real.

00:31:57.737 --> 00:32:02.717
That's kind of funny that you, I was talking to somebody and we'll actually

00:32:02.717 --> 00:32:05.997
get to some more of the actual question.

00:32:05.997 --> 00:32:09.797
But but so are we not talking about the actual question we are talking about

00:32:09.797 --> 00:32:12.857
the actual question I have certain things that I wanted to yeah yeah yeah lay

00:32:12.857 --> 00:32:17.497
it out dude I want to touch this first it's kind of funny you bring up like that like,

00:32:18.461 --> 00:32:21.121
that like grab bag of moves i call it

00:32:21.121 --> 00:32:23.981
a data dump i was talking with somebody and he's like yeah

00:32:23.981 --> 00:32:26.801
like uh he just got his purple belt so

00:32:26.801 --> 00:32:29.581
shout out to him but um but like he was

00:32:29.581 --> 00:32:32.501
like yeah man like i get to like a position and like

00:32:32.501 --> 00:32:35.441
i just i'm like sitting there like trying to decide what

00:32:35.441 --> 00:32:40.321
to do and i'm like i'm like you just know too much like no less shit like seriously

00:32:40.321 --> 00:32:46.001
like pick one thing from that position that is what you're doing like and i

00:32:46.001 --> 00:32:49.201
explained to him and like this actually goes this all this goes back to the

00:32:49.201 --> 00:32:53.241
nova days uh because like it was get through the guard.

00:32:53.941 --> 00:32:56.681
Kimura right we was that was always like our system was

00:32:56.681 --> 00:32:59.721
all built off of that initial kimura grip try to go dorsal

00:32:59.721 --> 00:33:02.541
with it and then everything just opens up from

00:33:02.541 --> 00:33:05.521
there um kind of getting into almost in like d kimura

00:33:05.521 --> 00:33:09.301
and stuff like that but like it's like dude like pick a

00:33:09.301 --> 00:33:12.221
grip that you are confident holding and like

00:33:12.221 --> 00:33:15.561
just get to that grip and then you can you'll you'll

00:33:15.561 --> 00:33:19.421
see the stuff after that right like but if you if when

00:33:19.421 --> 00:33:22.261
you get into as you're passing you're like what

00:33:22.261 --> 00:33:25.161
do i do i have all these options you're not

00:33:25.161 --> 00:33:28.201
gonna do any of them you're gonna run out of time like you gotta just get there do

00:33:28.201 --> 00:33:33.721
you know do something um so like yeah there's there there's a downside to knowing

00:33:33.721 --> 00:33:38.561
too many moves but not having a decision yeah right like you got to have like

00:33:38.561 --> 00:33:42.181
anchor points in your game and then everything is about getting from anchor

00:33:42.181 --> 00:33:45.581
point to anchor point but um but But yeah,

00:33:45.761 --> 00:33:48.561
I mean, so like, I think that's cool stuff.

00:33:48.701 --> 00:33:53.741
But like, what on because I have an answer for this, but I want to start with you.

00:33:54.541 --> 00:33:58.501
Because I think because I got to watch like progression wise,

00:33:58.781 --> 00:34:03.601
once you started going deeper and deep, like the more the deeper you got into coaching,

00:34:03.921 --> 00:34:09.461
do you how do you think that affected your like, how did you have to adapt the

00:34:09.461 --> 00:34:12.381
way that you practiced, like the way that your training was?

00:34:13.041 --> 00:34:16.901
And how do you think it affected your progression because

00:34:16.901 --> 00:34:19.741
i think that's kind of like the core of what the question kind of

00:34:19.741 --> 00:34:22.421
gets down to is like outside of just our

00:34:22.421 --> 00:34:25.381
transition from from student to

00:34:25.381 --> 00:34:28.961
teacher right there's also there's also

00:34:28.961 --> 00:34:36.261
how did you change as a practitioner and like what was that process like was

00:34:36.261 --> 00:34:40.461
there a period of time where like you felt like you were starting to like lag

00:34:40.461 --> 00:34:46.981
bot like lose your progression how did you adapt to that how been like do you think ultimately it was.

00:34:47.989 --> 00:34:54.129
Lengthened it or shortened like your time in terms of like um because you were were you you were.

00:34:54.829 --> 00:34:58.289
At the end of your purple belt right when we were when

00:34:58.289 --> 00:35:01.149
you started when we started like really coaching at

00:35:01.149 --> 00:35:04.249
nova is that right yeah um trying to

00:35:04.249 --> 00:35:07.269
make sure my timeline in my head yeah you're right um but yeah

00:35:07.269 --> 00:35:10.949
so uh so yeah like progression wise and

00:35:10.949 --> 00:35:13.769
all of that how do you think

00:35:13.769 --> 00:35:16.929
that that transition from teacher or student to teacher

00:35:16.929 --> 00:35:20.129
like changed that yeah okay

00:35:20.129 --> 00:35:23.809
that was a big question but uh

00:35:23.809 --> 00:35:26.389
the progression okay so i mean

00:35:26.389 --> 00:35:29.469
i think i've somewhat touched on a little bit of that which i

00:35:29.469 --> 00:35:32.409
i guess my initial my mind goes

00:35:32.409 --> 00:35:35.389
to when i start teaching and this connects

00:35:35.389 --> 00:35:38.369
back to like all right if i want to like take this as a professional thing like why

00:35:38.369 --> 00:35:41.189
why am i why am i showing someone

00:35:41.189 --> 00:35:44.149
what i'm showing them um and i guess

00:35:44.149 --> 00:35:46.889
my my reaction to that and my overall attitude when

00:35:46.889 --> 00:35:50.109
i teach is i want to show people stuff that works that i

00:35:50.109 --> 00:35:53.489
know works um and i

00:35:53.489 --> 00:35:56.749
had the the progression is relevant to that because i had to basically find

00:35:56.749 --> 00:36:00.169
that answer myself i think the biggest thing about like being a teacher is like

00:36:00.169 --> 00:36:03.989
when it's it's you're like a little bit of your job is to kind of like entertain

00:36:03.989 --> 00:36:10.029
and engage people for sure uh but your job is to help them learn how to do this

00:36:10.029 --> 00:36:13.709
stuff And so you really start thinking about like, hey,

00:36:13.809 --> 00:36:21.009
if I have 50 minutes to an hour where I have these people of differing experience levels, attention.

00:36:22.485 --> 00:36:25.145
What's the value of what I'm showing them? Like, what am I trying to,

00:36:25.165 --> 00:36:26.865
it goes a little bit back to the curriculum thing too. Like,

00:36:26.945 --> 00:36:28.485
where am I trying to lead this person?

00:36:29.805 --> 00:36:33.045
And it really does force you to think about that. And it's like,

00:36:33.125 --> 00:36:35.765
you have to ask yourself, like, do I actually know the answer myself?

00:36:35.845 --> 00:36:39.265
So this is where like becoming a teacher, it does make you a better practitioner

00:36:39.265 --> 00:36:41.245
because you have to answer questions

00:36:41.245 --> 00:36:44.245
that you definitely don't think about when you're just a student.

00:36:45.305 --> 00:36:48.785
You have to have those answers. And so it makes you better. Like,

00:36:48.825 --> 00:36:52.365
why am I doing this? How does it really work? What am I actually trying to achieve?

00:36:52.865 --> 00:36:56.325
Why am I trying to achieve it uh that's a

00:36:56.325 --> 00:36:59.085
little bit of what I was saying where it's like you have a goal the goal is like I want to

00:36:59.085 --> 00:37:03.625
get these guys defensive first then offensive later I'm using an example and

00:37:03.625 --> 00:37:07.365
maybe that is my answer on on what I'm ultimately trying to do for people I

00:37:07.365 --> 00:37:10.565
don't like you know let's say like a newer level white to blue to purple belt

00:37:10.565 --> 00:37:15.385
level um at that phase like if it all kind of connects together it's like all

00:37:15.385 --> 00:37:17.925
right I have 50 minutes I want these guys to learn,

00:37:18.425 --> 00:37:21.245
a basic principle i therefore need

00:37:21.245 --> 00:37:24.105
to understand that basic principle i need to know why that principle is relevant

00:37:24.105 --> 00:37:27.325
and be able to explain it in as few words as possible

00:37:27.325 --> 00:37:30.045
again this is not like my seminar to sit here and like

00:37:30.045 --> 00:37:33.605
sound really cool to people and you know what is

00:37:33.605 --> 00:37:36.385
it like puff my chest yeah puff my chest on how smart i am at

00:37:36.385 --> 00:37:39.165
jiu-jitsu peacocking yeah quit peacocking and just like be

00:37:39.165 --> 00:37:42.485
able to explain like maybe one or two sentences why something's really important show

00:37:42.485 --> 00:37:45.805
them how to do it as simply as possible um i love

00:37:45.805 --> 00:37:48.985
the chest to chest example because like you're right there's a million times this

00:37:48.985 --> 00:37:51.325
i think also connects to being a competitor too like when you're a competitor

00:37:51.325 --> 00:37:54.365
you like you have to take stuff that's really complicated because there's like

00:37:54.365 --> 00:37:57.625
a million decisions you can make when you're in jiu-jitsu matches in the simply

00:37:57.625 --> 00:38:01.065
like if you have a five minute match you have to have an answer to the question

00:38:01.065 --> 00:38:03.785
you're talking about like when i get to half guard knee shield i know what i'm

00:38:03.785 --> 00:38:06.165
going to do because i can't sit here and stall out for 35 seconds.

00:38:06.867 --> 00:38:10.787
Pondering all of the multitude of options because there is a shitload of options

00:38:10.787 --> 00:38:14.267
so you're like i basically get here and i try to crash my chest into their chest

00:38:14.267 --> 00:38:19.847
simple is good yeah so i just like it as an example of like how to how to like

00:38:19.847 --> 00:38:22.047
systematize your instruction because you're like,

00:38:22.587 --> 00:38:25.507
taking a room of people who are all wondering the same thing you're wondering too

00:38:25.507 --> 00:38:28.227
they're overwhelmed by this stuff and you

00:38:28.227 --> 00:38:31.027
just basically go and you're like hey you know it's really important when you're

00:38:31.027 --> 00:38:34.607
attacking half guard you want to be you want to be you

00:38:34.607 --> 00:38:37.387
want to be forward action oriented so the person on the bottom doesn't attack

00:38:37.387 --> 00:38:40.147
you and so when you're here you can't stall out what we're

00:38:40.147 --> 00:38:43.027
trying to do is we're trying to get past this knee shield or

00:38:43.027 --> 00:38:45.807
whatever the leg that's in we'll get past the barriers put our

00:38:45.807 --> 00:38:49.147
pressure on them weigh on them so we can then move forward and that just keeps

00:38:49.147 --> 00:38:52.567
us on offense and it means we're not a target now we're a weapon bang couple

00:38:52.567 --> 00:38:55.047
sentences i explained why we're doing a thing all right here's how we're going

00:38:55.047 --> 00:38:58.747
to do it try to do this in as few words as possible the knee comes up i circumvent

00:38:58.747 --> 00:39:02.227
my way around the knee and i drive my core in i get a good grip so i can drive

00:39:02.227 --> 00:39:04.707
all my way onto that person bang that's the.

00:39:05.527 --> 00:39:08.747
It show it one or two times ask everyone if they need to see it again someone

00:39:08.747 --> 00:39:11.407
will raise their hand you show it another time and then at a

00:39:11.407 --> 00:39:14.027
certain point when i'm teaching i have to cut off question because i'm like hey like we can do

00:39:14.027 --> 00:39:16.887
questions all day i need you all to actually do this i'll budget

00:39:16.887 --> 00:39:19.207
one or two then i'm like all right bang we got to keep this show going because

00:39:19.207 --> 00:39:21.827
the clock the meter's running man yeah because i want them to spar i want to

00:39:21.827 --> 00:39:24.407
do other things so you got like as a teacher you got to like keep people you

00:39:24.407 --> 00:39:26.647
have to think about that's like a really interesting thing too we've talked

00:39:26.647 --> 00:39:30.387
about this in other episodes the economy of the time you have with people so

00:39:30.387 --> 00:39:32.967
let's make it a good class make sure that there's time for them to spar but

00:39:32.967 --> 00:39:35.347
show them that get them doing it. You're opening the door.

00:39:35.507 --> 00:39:38.027
They're not going to master these moves with your six minutes of instruction.

00:39:38.027 --> 00:39:40.567
You budget in like a 50 to 60 minute class.

00:39:41.309 --> 00:39:45.729
So you're very intentional about these things. And simple is fucking good, dude. Yeah.

00:39:45.949 --> 00:39:52.189
So yeah, dude, I think the quest to be a really valuable instructor for as many

00:39:52.189 --> 00:39:55.569
different types of students as possible makes you much better as a practitioner.

00:39:55.869 --> 00:39:58.009
Yeah, I was going to agree with that.

00:39:58.389 --> 00:40:02.729
Because I was going to say, I think that the more I was teaching,

00:40:03.249 --> 00:40:05.229
the better my jiu-jitsu got.

00:40:06.649 --> 00:40:13.589
I think there was skepticism going into it of like, Oh, am I going to just, am I going to stall out?

00:40:13.709 --> 00:40:19.829
Cause I'm just showing my stuff. But I started paying more attention to every

00:40:19.829 --> 00:40:21.229
single thing I was doing.

00:40:21.349 --> 00:40:25.649
Like, especially when I was rolling, like I, a lot of the time I was prepping

00:40:25.649 --> 00:40:27.309
for the next class by rolling.

00:40:27.409 --> 00:40:30.749
So I'd be studying what I was doing.

00:40:30.869 --> 00:40:34.049
And so it'd be like, all right, like, I'm going for this thing.

00:40:34.509 --> 00:40:39.689
Um, what little details are important here? and like, oh, well,

00:40:39.749 --> 00:40:46.289
when I get this grip, if I turn my wrist this way, then that makes it a hell of a lot tighter.

00:40:46.609 --> 00:40:49.389
And then that gives me more leverage. Or if I shift my hips out,

00:40:49.569 --> 00:40:52.629
like now I have more leverage on, on this, on his shoulder.

00:40:52.789 --> 00:40:57.089
And like, I started to really notice all these little tiny things.

00:40:57.349 --> 00:41:03.649
And then it started to make my jujitsu less moves and more just like,

00:41:03.929 --> 00:41:08.849
or less looking for a specific move and more just mechanics.

00:41:08.849 --> 00:41:13.329
Like it became like, oh, well, like I know that the mechanic of the arm bar

00:41:13.329 --> 00:41:17.449
just, you know, or turning this person, I just need, these are the controls

00:41:17.449 --> 00:41:19.949
I need. I need control of the shoulder.

00:41:20.169 --> 00:41:25.209
I need control of the head and I need extension. I need control of the end of the lever.

00:41:25.649 --> 00:41:28.869
And that creates extension in the arm. Like that can be.

00:41:29.589 --> 00:41:35.749
I can apply that in more than just the traditional position of how you learn armbar, right?

00:41:35.949 --> 00:41:43.149
So I think it gave me more answers and kind of made my game more fluid.

00:41:43.929 --> 00:41:52.689
So it goes from less methodically looking for a move to things just kind of

00:41:52.689 --> 00:41:56.209
appear and you just have them because you know how things move.

00:41:56.209 --> 00:41:58.969
You know where you know what little tricks and

00:41:58.969 --> 00:42:02.189
details and um so like

00:42:02.189 --> 00:42:04.869
i think it's fed my prop my progression up a lot i

00:42:04.869 --> 00:42:07.809
mean i got my purple belt in like three years

00:42:07.809 --> 00:42:10.569
or so um but i think that like

00:42:10.569 --> 00:42:13.569
progression from blue to purple was a lot faster because

00:42:13.569 --> 00:42:17.189
of that now i'm like yeah purple for a while because you stopped

00:42:17.189 --> 00:42:20.189
training and you started training again start but uh but

00:42:20.189 --> 00:42:23.189
like you know i think that that i would

00:42:23.189 --> 00:42:27.109
say that like i started to learn more by teaching

00:42:27.109 --> 00:42:30.209
and coaching and like one you

00:42:30.209 --> 00:42:32.909
see how everybody else does things and it starts to tighten

00:42:32.909 --> 00:42:36.469
up your game because you have to figure out how like oh well i get away with

00:42:36.469 --> 00:42:39.829
doing it this way but like oh that didn't work for them so like i need to adjust

00:42:39.829 --> 00:42:43.509
this and then like it actually happened recently too i was like oh well like

00:42:43.509 --> 00:42:46.529
this is how i do this sweet and then the big guy's like well that doesn't work

00:42:46.529 --> 00:42:49.249
for me i'm like oh i guess i need to figure out how to make it work for these

00:42:49.249 --> 00:42:51.969
big guys um But so you have to.

00:42:52.149 --> 00:42:54.389
It does make your game better.

00:42:54.549 --> 00:42:59.929
It made my game better because I had to think about more of that like stuff

00:42:59.929 --> 00:43:05.669
than how I get away with jujitsu and more of, oh, well, like this is how these moves have to work.

00:43:05.769 --> 00:43:09.929
Here's the details that are important here versus just like,

00:43:10.049 --> 00:43:13.989
oh, I just throw my leg over and I do this and then I have, I've done the move,

00:43:14.149 --> 00:43:17.729
you know, like it's vastly different when you have to explain it to someone.

00:43:17.729 --> 00:43:20.369
And so um yeah i think

00:43:20.369 --> 00:43:23.289
that that would be that's how i feel yeah well and you

00:43:23.289 --> 00:43:26.089
know last last thing i'll say it's like you're you're just on

00:43:26.089 --> 00:43:29.249
the point of making you better too like you're teaching your teammates to be

00:43:29.249 --> 00:43:32.049
better like training partners for you too and it's a

00:43:32.049 --> 00:43:35.289
pretty freak like you know every teacher who's listening to this in martial

00:43:35.289 --> 00:43:38.129
arts definitely i think will resonate with this which is like you show all your

00:43:38.129 --> 00:43:41.609
homies like your best moves and then they stop kind of working because now they

00:43:41.609 --> 00:43:45.329
all know it yeah so it forces you to constantly be adapting like you're basically

00:43:45.329 --> 00:43:47.409
is going to be like you're just pulling your hog out and you're like this is

00:43:47.409 --> 00:43:50.289
what my dick and balls look like here's all my shit here's my best moves

00:43:50.729 --> 00:43:54.149
go do it guys and then your best moves stop but they understand some of them

00:43:54.149 --> 00:43:57.089
understand it better than you do yeah you're like shit was I not good at that

00:43:57.089 --> 00:44:00.749
move well one of two things can happen you either get better at it,

00:44:01.289 --> 00:44:05.309
and you will you get better at executing the stuff that you know that they know because you showed it.

00:44:06.039 --> 00:44:09.519
Or you adapt. You do something different. Yeah, you realize it really wasn't

00:44:09.519 --> 00:44:12.139
your move in the first place. Well, you know, it's everyone's move now.

00:44:12.439 --> 00:44:15.379
I mean, like, you realize that you were, so sometimes you realize you were getting

00:44:15.379 --> 00:44:18.499
away with it and not like, it's like, oh, like, I actually need to be better

00:44:18.499 --> 00:44:19.979
at that move. It forces you to be better, though.

00:44:20.099 --> 00:44:23.879
That's to your point. Like, it definitely, like, you have to become a better practitioner.

00:44:24.039 --> 00:44:26.339
We talked about that with Andrea briefly. She brought it up yesterday.

00:44:27.259 --> 00:44:31.559
So that was, yeah, I mean, absolutely. And, like, don't be afraid to show your

00:44:31.559 --> 00:44:32.599
move. Like, absolutely.

00:44:32.879 --> 00:44:36.179
Yeah, that's weird. and like that's that's very like that's like

00:44:36.179 --> 00:44:39.419
selfish man it's just you know it's like it's okay

00:44:39.419 --> 00:44:42.059
to be you know when you're a competitor and stuff it's okay to be a

00:44:42.059 --> 00:44:44.799
little selfish but um no you know obviously

00:44:44.799 --> 00:44:49.759
not too i know what you mean you do want you will you can selfishly show like

00:44:49.759 --> 00:44:54.059
show it to them to make yourself better it's you can have both yeah you can

00:44:54.059 --> 00:44:57.399
have your cake and eat it what's the more important thing beating your students

00:44:57.399 --> 00:45:02.919
in the gym or getting better jujitsu and winning on the mat. That's the answer.

00:45:03.159 --> 00:45:06.799
That's why competing is like how you do in a gym.

00:45:08.199 --> 00:45:11.159
That's not really the goal. You should be losing in the gym.

00:45:11.559 --> 00:45:14.579
Yeah, well, and like, I mean... If it makes you better. Yeah,

00:45:14.579 --> 00:45:19.539
if you have like... Most people who come in there have some kind of competitive nature to them.

00:45:19.719 --> 00:45:23.279
And it's naturally a competitive thing because basically it's a sport of trying

00:45:23.279 --> 00:45:24.219
to beat someone at fighting.

00:45:24.699 --> 00:45:28.059
Yeah. So no one wants to just get beat at fighting.

00:45:28.299 --> 00:45:32.879
Everyone's trying to win. but gym rounds don't matter that's what I'm getting at,

00:45:34.559 --> 00:45:39.439
there's no record it means nothing you're right there's no in the gym it means

00:45:39.439 --> 00:45:44.859
nothing I agree it's still training it's valuable to go do that you should want

00:45:44.859 --> 00:45:48.419
to win everyone does want to win the way.

00:45:50.979 --> 00:45:56.339
I think what you're talking about when you're training versus competing if you

00:45:56.339 --> 00:46:00.519
want to learn eventually you have to continue the process of discovery,

00:46:00.599 --> 00:46:03.219
which means you have to try different things as a practitioner.

00:46:03.559 --> 00:46:06.879
And so on the training mat, that's where you do these things.

00:46:06.939 --> 00:46:08.959
And if you avoid doing that because you want to win every round,

00:46:09.239 --> 00:46:12.119
not that you can't try something new with the intent to win,

00:46:12.219 --> 00:46:15.119
but you got to be willing to like fail to learn the new thing,

00:46:15.159 --> 00:46:17.059
which means you might lose a position.

00:46:17.179 --> 00:46:19.799
You might lose a point. You might get submitted by a guy that you're like, I usually beat this guy.

00:46:19.939 --> 00:46:22.719
Like, do you have to ask yourself if you really give a shit at how that,

00:46:22.939 --> 00:46:25.959
like, is it your ego is so fragile that you're like, I need this guy to know

00:46:25.959 --> 00:46:27.059
that I can always beat him.

00:46:27.996 --> 00:46:30.956
You know what and that goes back to like what are you doing what

00:46:30.956 --> 00:46:33.996
are we doing why are we doing this um whatever i

00:46:33.996 --> 00:46:36.796
want everybody that all of my training partners to be

00:46:36.796 --> 00:46:39.616
a hard round like that's where i want them to end

00:46:39.616 --> 00:46:42.556
up like i want them to be giving me

00:46:42.556 --> 00:46:45.316
a tough time every class that well i

00:46:45.316 --> 00:46:48.496
just said the last the last thing that's my goals yeah well

00:46:48.496 --> 00:46:51.796
like i get it yes it is yes it is and the final

00:46:51.796 --> 00:46:54.636
thing i'll say about this is kind of like i want to call out shout

00:46:54.636 --> 00:46:57.436
out to capitalism them like what are you getting paid to do what

00:46:57.436 --> 00:47:00.336
is your actual job is your job to get into a room of

00:47:00.336 --> 00:47:03.356
people and beat them up to to feel cool to make

00:47:03.356 --> 00:47:06.236
sure that everyone knows you're the number one guy or is your job to be

00:47:06.236 --> 00:47:09.276
you could probably still do a lot of that if you're a good teacher too

00:47:09.276 --> 00:47:12.176
but you can also your job is to make them all better and you

00:47:12.176 --> 00:47:15.156
have to believe that makes you better but you have to do your goddamn job

00:47:15.156 --> 00:47:17.996
these people are paying money yeah they're taking it's not just not just

00:47:17.996 --> 00:47:20.856
paying money but they're paying money and then taking the hour or

00:47:20.856 --> 00:47:23.656
sometimes more a day to show up they want to get better

00:47:23.656 --> 00:47:26.436
too so it's like you got to think about what's good for them

00:47:26.436 --> 00:47:29.876
and it ultimately will be good for you too the beauty

00:47:29.876 --> 00:47:33.276
of capitalism it's like you have to be if you want to be a competitive business

00:47:33.276 --> 00:47:36.096
which means you have to think about all the minutia of

00:47:36.096 --> 00:47:39.096
all these things are really important like it's complicated capitalism is

00:47:39.096 --> 00:47:41.776
complicated and being a competitive and i

00:47:41.776 --> 00:47:44.436
don't mean like literally going on the mat to compete it could be that but just

00:47:44.436 --> 00:47:47.416
being a competitive business providing the best value for as many people as

00:47:47.416 --> 00:47:52.616
possible you got to think about this shit um and the beauty of all that is like

00:47:52.616 --> 00:47:55.116
i think you can achieve all of these things at the exact same time you just

00:47:55.116 --> 00:47:57.936
have to you have to ask these questions you have to really know what am i here.

00:47:57.936 --> 00:48:00.576
To do why is that good for them why is that good for me.

00:48:01.236 --> 00:48:04.876
Um what am i trying to do for myself what am i you know what are my individual

00:48:04.876 --> 00:48:11.276
goals what are my team goals like these things can all be mutually aligned towards true north yeah yeah,

00:48:11.876 --> 00:48:15.316
yeah yeah so i mean yeah like so just kind

00:48:15.316 --> 00:48:18.256
of give a couple keep key takeaways for you guys

00:48:18.256 --> 00:48:24.936
you know just so um you know like the progression um how getting other people

00:48:24.936 --> 00:48:30.556
better makes you better the better you are as a coach you know like the way

00:48:30.556 --> 00:48:35.556
we have some good little things some good takeaways for how to be a better coach

00:48:35.556 --> 00:48:38.016
through programming knowing your audience.

00:48:39.596 --> 00:48:44.436
But then also you know there's there's some ego that you have to deal with as

00:48:44.436 --> 00:48:49.456
a coach as well the thing about the ego thing is it applies to lots of things you gotta that's,

00:48:50.132 --> 00:48:54.632
The more you embrace suppressing it, the better you're going to be in every

00:48:54.632 --> 00:48:56.952
level as the individual competitor and as the coach.

00:48:57.352 --> 00:49:01.732
Because at the end of the day, making your students better is what causes you

00:49:01.732 --> 00:49:03.212
to become better as well.

00:49:03.432 --> 00:49:06.152
Not just as a coach, but also as a practitioner in the sport.

00:49:06.752 --> 00:49:10.552
And as a human being. And as a person. Yeah. Think about someone else for a second.

00:49:10.992 --> 00:49:13.592
Thinking about other people is good. Think about someone else for a second.

00:49:13.732 --> 00:49:17.272
But, you know, so that's what we have time for today, guys, on this one.

00:49:17.272 --> 00:49:20.252
Um so thank you again for listening to fighters drinking

00:49:20.252 --> 00:49:23.152
coffee remember to hop on that discord as you

00:49:23.152 --> 00:49:26.372
can see this is straight where we pulled this uh topic from

00:49:26.372 --> 00:49:29.052
we had some good questions on there this was one of them

00:49:29.052 --> 00:49:31.892
and we're like oh i can't give you guys this question in a

00:49:31.892 --> 00:49:34.792
on in a q a i'm gonna have to pull it up here put on

00:49:34.792 --> 00:49:37.712
the on the on the podcast itself listen in discord yeah

00:49:37.712 --> 00:49:40.272
so i'll have to make sure they know but so you know

00:49:40.272 --> 00:49:43.592
hop on there like we actually we're checking that stuff and uh

00:49:43.592 --> 00:49:46.552
we as it grows the more interactive it'll become

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