(Ep 54) Is Sandbagging Cowardly, or Do You Just Suck?

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Welcome back to Fighters Drinking Coffee.

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Today we're going to talk about a special topic.

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So, it's your first tournament. You've been training for like a couple months.

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You're a white belt. You've registered in the novice division of your local,

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regional, whatever tournament.

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You're excited. You've been doing pretty good in class.

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You feel good. You've learned like two moves that you feel confident with. and,

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You walk out on the mat for your first match ever.

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The guy across from you has the biggest cauliflower ears you've ever seen.

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He's named after Cale Sanderson.

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And they ring that bell. He blast doubles you right across the mat.

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He passes your guard like it's nothing and just armbars the shit out of you.

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And you are confused because you thought this was the novice division.

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And this guy obviously was not a novice.

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So we're talking about sandbagging today.

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There's a few different definitions of sandbagging, I guess.

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A few infractions. There's a... Common infractions.

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There's, yeah, definitely common infractions. There's definitely a very baseline definition,

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but i don't really know exactly where

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like it's also a little gray we've been

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talking about a lot of gray topics lately but um all

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the fun stuff is in the gray yeah there's definitely like a gray area involved

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but that's fine you know that's part of it uh but they uh like i don't know

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that's that's like the most obvious example that i gave i would say just to to define sandbagging.

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Sandbagging is a practice of portraying

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yourself to be of a lower skill

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level in this case

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the martial art we're discussing I guess it could be anything but we'll stick

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with martial art portraying yourself to be below your skill level in this practice

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to then go out and beat people up.

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And I suppose the infraction there is, like, you try to disarm or surprise,

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ambush your people, the people you're training with, or in your example,

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competing against with this premise of, like, I'm actually down here,

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but really you're up here.

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And so you just want to get a quick win or, like, take people by surprise and just beat them up.

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Yeah. Is that a reasonable? Yeah. And it's definitely more prevalent.

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Because obviously, like, you know, in the gym, like, you kind of,

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figure out people i mean you might have those guys they're like skipping

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promotions so that they don't get promoted and they can still be

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whatever rank they're at um but like obviously you

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know like for the most part you know at least

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unless it's a massive huge gym you

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might run into people you don't know within the gym every once in a

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while but like you at least kind of know

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the level of the people you train with but then

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it's like at competitions when people sign up for a

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division below or um you know

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you have people that compete it just be

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they're skipping promotions so they can compete at that

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belt level for longer or um or you know if you have uh people that go around

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and they don't wear their actual belt when they go to open mats so they can

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beat people up or you know when they like travel to other gyms yep um and we've

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actually run into that we have a I have a story from Nova MMA.

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You might even remember. Oh.

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You know, you'll have guys that, like, will play around so they can pretend

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to be a white belt, and then really they're a brown belt or a black belt or

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whatever. What's the story from Nova MMA, man?

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So it was, I don't remember what year it was. It was a way back year.

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Yeah, way back in the yesteryear.

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So some guy came by, um...

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I think he just like dropped in one day and he was, I think he was wearing a

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white belt or it was either Nogi or he actually wore a white belt.

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Um, I don't remember which one it was. We might've actually had two,

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two. There's definitely one where a guy wore a white belt.

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And then afterwards, like after training, we're like, dude, you're not really a white belt.

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And he's like, yeah, like, I just wasn't sure. I didn't want to wear my,

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I didn't want to wear my, uh, I forget. It was either blue or purple.

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I was like, yeah, I didn't want to wear it. And then out of respect,

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we're like, that's what?

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That's less respectful, bro. Yeah.

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But no, the one was like this guy showed up and he kept referring to him. I'm a Ronin.

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Do you remember that? No, but that sounds like some martial arts nerd talk.

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Yeah. He was like, yeah. We're like, oh, hey, man, you know,

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where do you train normally?

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Like, you know, welcome. Like, glad to have you here.

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You try to be welcoming. and he's like he's like oh i'm i'm a

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ronin i don't train you know i don't train anywhere and then

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it's like i rolled with them at the end and like i was

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you know it was i was getting the better of him

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he's like what belt do you think i am i'm like i don't know like a blue belt

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like i don't know dude he's like i'm a purple belt i'm like cool um like oh

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so you were just like trying to you thought you were all slick like withholding

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information like let me pull this mask off. I'm actually a purple belt.

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Yeah, I was actually a purple belt. Oh. The whole time. Whoa.

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You didn't even know what belt that was. I didn't even know. Was this Nogi?

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I think that one was Nogi. Nogi can get like a little bit, well,

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I guess like, you're not wearing a belt, Nogi.

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So like in order to sandbag, and people do this, like people...

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People who are listening to this may have experienced this too,

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but like people will show up to gyms.

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This is another like silly, weird,

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like it's like the whole thing's like a bizarre, like insecurity thing.

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In my opinion, that just makes no sense as to why you care too much if this

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is something you do, but people will like show up to gyms and like in no gi

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people like you kind of described an instance of a dude doing it in the gi.

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Although that thread of like, I don't want, I wanted to be respectful.

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I want to respond to that in a second. His purpose was different, but for sure.

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People do that sometimes, which I let's talk about that in a

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moment but in nogi people will it's a

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little bit easier because like you're just wearing rash guards right so and there are

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ranked rash guards but like most places it's not a

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requirement to wear a ranked rash guard um so you

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kind of just wear whatever right people can wear come in

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wearing black rash guards i mean they're black belts means i like they like the color black

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yeah and the rash guard but like folks will

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come in and like you can you can sometimes smell this stuff when

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like someone walks in i've worked at

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the front desk i've made i've been at the front i've been

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kind of like at the walkway in and out of gyms many

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like for years so I've like watched and

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surveyed people kind of coming in and you can

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you can like usually it's it's fairly easy when like a person walks into an

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academy for the first time you can kind of like just read the body language

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and tell like if they're comfortable if like they look like they've trained

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they get maybe they have the tattoos the cauliflower ear the bags like it says

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kings on the back or something like, yeah, this guy's not brand new.

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Like he's done some of this before, but like you can kind of get a sense when

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someone has some training.

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Just something you pick up, nothing, just a data point doesn't really matter or anything.

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But when it's, you kind of get to what I'm about to describe here,

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that like things start to get a little bit, you might smell a sandbagger, like walking in.

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Sandbagger kind of has an aggressive tone to it, by the way,

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when you say it. But whatever.

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It's when they tell you, like when you ask them, like, oh man,

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tell me, you trained before, how much training have you done?

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They're like, yeah, I've done a little bit. And you're like, oh, I see.

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Like when they tell you, when someone tries to like downplay their experience,

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instead of just being honest and be like, yeah, I've trained for 21 years, man.

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Repeated a bunch of times cool just say that nothing wrong with that um i sup i i suppose,

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if i had to like assess slash

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like aggregate all the experience i've had with people who have done this

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it tends to be people between like blue and maybe brown

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belt i guess technically anyone can

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do this but it could be a black belt who's just super bizarre

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and like hasn't quite like matured enough mentally to like do these things but

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like it's generally someone in the mid-range intermediate range before they

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get to advance that like feels like maybe they're unsure of themselves so like

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kind of sneaking up on unsuspecting people to get some subs in a yeah like they're

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visiting and traveling is like so goofy that you like.

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That you like feel like you need to do that to, I don't know.

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I don't want them to think that my belt's not as good as theirs.

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I guess. I don't know. It's, no, maybe that's, it's, we, you know,

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it'd be really interesting if we, it's like talking to like a prisoner.

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We should like do like, like, like criminal psychology. We should like interview a sandbagger sometime.

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I'm like, what is it? So you're a sandbagger. Why'd you do this?

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Like, what was like, what, what made you feel like you needed to tell me that

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you only trained like a handful of times in the past, but in reality,

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you've trained much more than that. Like, what were you trying to,

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what were your, what was your objective in this?

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Like, what were you thinking? Like, why did you feel like, just tell,

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tell me more. Tell me more about why you thought you need. Why did you kill my white belts?

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Why did you, what made you think you needed to do that instead of just telling

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us, like, yeah, train a bunch.

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You know, I took a couple of years off and, you know, I'm kind of a Ronan.

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I've moved a bunch of times and, you know, my training's been inconsistent.

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So I'm a little insecure about myself when I go on the mat and it would just

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crush me and my fragile ego to like walk into a room and not beat everyone up.

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So I'm going to tell you that I haven't trained that much.

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And so when I go in, it's really more for me to not feel so bad if I get beat up on the mat today.

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So that I can kind of soften the blow and still tell myself I'm the man,

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even though I got sunned up.

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Or ideally, I can come in here and tell you that and then you all will think that I'm not that good.

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And then I can take you by surprise and I can whoop you up on the mat.

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And then when I walk out today and don't train again for three months and then

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kind of do this to the next gym that I go to, I'll feel better about myself.

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Yeah, the use of using it to disarm the people so they think they go into the role differently.

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Because, I mean, that's true. Like, if you think someone's,

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He's like, I'll do this when I'm rolling with people if they are a lower belt. What will you do, Mike?

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Well, like if they're a lower belt, I might not, I'm not going to like go the

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same, I'm not going to start the roll the same way with like a white belt as

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I would with someone that's like a purple brown belt.

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Yeah, of course. You know, so, like, if I understand, like, or I guess I can

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see, like, that thought process of, like, oh, I'll tell them I'm a blue belt

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or I'm a white belt or I just will hint, you know, I'll lead them to believe.

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Maybe they don't tell you. Maybe they'll lead us. They'll lead us to believe

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they're white belts so that we don't go as hard. I think differently of you,

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Mike. So they can. I don't do this.

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Yeah, dude, it's, like, a weird, like. I can see how, like, I understand,

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like, from the victim side of it, right?

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Like why victim it's not it's a

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little strong no from like the the side

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of the people that like oh i'll make them roll

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a little lighter with me so that i can get the best of them um

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before they have an opportunity to react right like

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i guess that's i think that's the i i it's such a weird position to kind of

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like try to steal man here uh rationalize but i think it is that it's just to

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be like hey um i don't want you to know how good i actually am i don't really

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know how good i actually I think maybe it's that. This person's just having an identity crisis.

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So I need to cheat. Yeah.

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I need to cheat to win my gym rounds. It's weird, man.

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I don't generally see it as much these days, but it happens.

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I suppose if it happens anywhere, the Muslim actually might be in competitions now.

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What's crazy is it still gets through smooth comp.

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Like you'll see people, I'll have guys that are about to compete and they send

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me like the, one of the people in their brackets, like smooth comp profile.

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And it's like 80 wins.

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You know, and it's like, it's a white belt division. They're like,

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dude, look at this guy I'm about to go. It's like an 80 wins with a shit ton of submission wins.

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Something doesn't look right. You're like, huh. It's like, you know,

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like, I guess that's what it's going to be.

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I don't know what to tell you. The tricky part with, like, local tournaments

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is that, like, because they're local tournaments, it's meant to not,

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there's not, like, a big barrier to entry for these things, and,

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like, these local tournament guys, like, we've interviewed, like,

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Dimitri, like, these guys, they're trying to make a buck, they're trying to

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run a good service, and, like,

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what are they going to, like, come up with some complicated,

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rigorous, bureaucratic process like the IBJJF to, like, make it,

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because I will say the IBJF does a good job at, like, so their infrastructure

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and, like, the system for, like, approval of belts and this and that is meant to, like,

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kind of get out of this type of stuff amongst other reasons that they do it.

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But, um, these local tournaments aren't going to do all that,

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man. It's like, it's, there's a friendly kind of like, yo, it's like a gentleman's thing.

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Like, let's just all assume you guys are here. It's like, if you are coming

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here to do that, like, I guess we can't really stop you.

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There's really no good tracking mechanism to like prevent this stuff from happening.

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Um, you just have to be good at not putting your belt promotions on,

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on, on public, private Instagram, but it's just like,

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it's just it's kind of like it's like also funny that like you i guess

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we can't really stop you from doing that but like what do you do this

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is a silly thing to do yeah this is

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silly well yeah i guess they're they're relying on morality but i guess at that

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point you know like like oh no it's we're just gonna rely on the honor of you

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can't protect but you know i guess there's a lesson in that if you're a coach

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and you're like your dude just got like sunned up by like some like d1 wrestler

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who is technically only four months into jiu-jitsu,

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but has, you know, maybe like nine or 10 years of like competitive wrestling

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experience. Like this type of stuff happens. Yeah.

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Um, it is like a good lesson. I suppose it's a tough situation to be in,

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but like if you're the coach, you're like, Hey, look, man, this is life.

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Stuff is going to happen. People are not always like transparent with their

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intentions. That's life for your brother. It's a good life lesson.

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Don't worry. We'll find an actual white belt one of these days to compete against.

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Don't worry. Keep your head up, man. This is the world. This is,

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you know, people do this stuff.

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Don't worry, he'll be in a different division next year. We think,

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or if he's not, then at least we'll know. Yeah. Oh, okay.

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Yeah, it's a funny topic.

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And I guess if you're listening to this and you do this, why?

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Why do you do this? What are you scared of? Are you scared of losing? It's not a big deal.

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Are you scared of a challenge?

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And the risk of potentially taking an L in a truly competitive match intimidate

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you so much you coward that you have to go in and like basically bully I mean it is cowardice,

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it's like a weird cowardly thing to do,

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shame we're shaming you but like dude like you're taking,

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jujitsu being serious like you're taking it way too serious if

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it's like it's bizarre again it's just like a bizarre position to put my feet

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into to consider like the psychology of a human being is just like i feel like

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i need to win this so badly for my i guess fragile ego um that i'm going to,

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intentionally manipulate a scenario so that i can go in and beat up people lesser

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than me and even then i bet if they lost that would be i'd actually be crushed

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well hilarious but like if why what are you so scared of man like what do you

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just go compete dude like go actually compete with actual competitive.

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Adequately uh,

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like matched up people and like but by the way

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like one thing you'll learn and and when you go to these tournaments too like

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you've you've experienced this i've experienced this when we go to our divisions like you

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know if you work super hard and if you're as good as you think you are which

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is great like you can you can there's positive things about like having like

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an ego and like being proud of your hard work like going into these tournaments

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like you'll you'll go into like one day you'll go into a black belt or a brown

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belt match and like you might go up against someone who that well i guess what

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i'm saying here is like there's ranges when you get into an adequately,

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I guess we'll kind of propose like an IBJF scenario

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where like these guys do do some work to like vet and approve the right people

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in the right divisions, which is ultimately a good thing. That's why I think

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the IBJF does a lot of things really well.

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But to kind of frame that just so that to explain, like someone basically has

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to account for your belt rank.

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Like there's, yes, right. Like just for the people who don't know, I just want to like.

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Like basically you submit, you put in

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your belt rank that you're registering under and

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then either sometimes it's

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the person who actually promoted you or sometimes the person that

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promote that's their black belt it just depends um but

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you know somebody then goes yes this person

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is this belt and has to check off right every single

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year there will be like yeah there's like a chain of like authorization that

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like michael belongs in this division so all

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right so the with that said um you'll go

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and you'll get into these divisions where like everyone actually appropriately is

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put in the right spot and there will still be massive disparities in

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skill and experience and capability like you'll

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go in you'll have a tournament where you might go against another dude who's

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a brown belt world champion who is in your division this guy's like you know

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an infinity time world champion like oh this is gonna be a tough day and you'll

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go in sometimes and there you'll meet up other dudes and like you'll destroy

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them you'll destroy them with ease but they're technically in your division doesn't I mean,

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the guy's not a brown belt. Just because he got beat, he's your better competitor.

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So what I'm saying is like, you're still going to have like this...

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This sport we're in has these, like there's variables and like ranges of capabilities

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and just like dude, embrace person listening.

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He's sandbagging. Like just embrace it, man. Like big deal. You sandbagger coward.

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Um, coward. Well, and like, here's a great example of the exact opposite of

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sandbagging when you have, uh, well, yeah.

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Cause outside of IBJJF, they don't have to compete.

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They wouldn't have had to compete in this, but like Bika Galvao and Diego Reyes,

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they were they were green belts competing against

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black belts because they were and beating

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them because they were just they were good enough to do that and

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so like yeah the color of the cloth isn't

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that's right the be all end all like sometimes someone's

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just better than you and that's okay it's okay if

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someone just beats you that day you know like that's a taking jiu-jitsu too

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seriously thing yeah really if you care so much about like this

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the belt and the profile of other people it's like it's a bizarre like

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projection and like pedestal pedestalizing i'm

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gonna invent a word here putting people and things and ideas on pedestals

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that like yeah something about that because like in those cases like those dudes

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were definitely adequately skilled when they were teenagers they just technically

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couldn't be black belts because that's the rules for like the international

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brazilian jiu-jitsu kind of governing oversight of like belt ranks but yeah

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like when those dudes were still like 16 or 17 and they were like elite and.

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Black belt caliber skills. Um, but technically you're right.

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They couldn't have made it past.

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I forgot. They were green belts at the time. Green belts. Yeah.

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They were still children.

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They were still children. I mean like, yeah, legally they couldn't buy cigarettes

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or, you know, Zins, but like, or vote.

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Um, but these dudes were capable of, I mean, Colabate is another one of those

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who like, he won 80 CC East coast trials when he was like 15 or 16.

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And he was just destroying world champions who were grown men.

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And he was like 15 or 16 and he was destroying them.

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So yeah um and i guess like there's multiple ways to look at it right like the thing about adcc.

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Trials specifically is that like while there's actually less of a baron entry

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and less vetting than there is in the ipgjf the product and like the the stakes

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of an east coast of like a trials tournament attracts the best people so it's.

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Like the caliber of the athlete that needs to win that

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it's going to it basically just invites like you're going to end up eventually

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if you find a way to make it past the first second third fourth round like you're

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going to end up bumping into another dude who's an absolute savage world champion

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so like it's almost like because there's no barrier to entry like you'll get

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a bunch of people who um aren't the most competitive but are there still competing

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nothing wrong with that um,

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but those dudes might pretty quickly if they have some success or if they have

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bad luck first round get Ty Brutolo.

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You know what I mean? So like you can get, it's the opposite of the vetting

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process, but it has a kind of a similar, I guess what I'm saying is like the,

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the quality of the event and the reward at the end of the event attracts like the top dudes.

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So it's in one way or another, it's just guiding the right people to the right place.

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Well, and it's also, that's like a single, single skill level division.

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It's all expert. You're right. You're right. They're not going to check to see

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if you're an expert, but you're going to find out who the expert is.

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Yeah, you'll find out. By like the round of 32 to 16, you'd be like,

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these guys were experts. Yeah.

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Did you make it out of the round of 215 if you didn't?

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Doesn't mean you're not an expert. Just means you lost the first round because

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you may have actually run like one of the best experts in the first round.

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But you're right. That is all considered expert division. You're right. Yeah. So you're...

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Yeah, there's no opportunity for sandbagging there, I guess.

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Can you reverse sandbag?

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Can you say you're way better than you are and go up and get crushed?

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Yes. Yeah, I mean, I guess that's a different— It's a different type of psychology.

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Is that like a better version, maybe? I don't know if it's better.

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It's for everyone else, maybe.

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It's funnier because it's sort of like that's a person with extraordinarily

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delusional mindset, which I suppose is a little bit easier to understand.

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Isn't that, what, the guy from Bloodsport, Frank LaDuke?

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Isn't that what happened with him? I don't remember this. So the real guy,

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the guy who sold the story of Bloodsport. Jean-Claude Van Damme.

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He is the person that Jean-Claude Van Damme plays in the movie. Right, right.

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Is Bloodsport the one where he wears the silk underwear and does the splits

00:22:10.879 --> 00:22:15.239
in front of that blonde hot chick? Or is that the kickboxer? That's kickboxer.

00:22:15.419 --> 00:22:18.539
No, Bloodsport is where he goes to the kuman. the secret kumite

00:22:18.539 --> 00:22:21.219
yeah in like in hong kong or

00:22:21.219 --> 00:22:23.879
something yeah like the underground he had the buddy who was like

00:22:23.879 --> 00:22:26.579
the the hillbilly trucker guy and then he had like the gets his

00:22:26.579 --> 00:22:29.599
neck broken by that's right the the korean bro yeah

00:22:29.599 --> 00:22:35.979
that's huge shot korean big big chest big tits yeah so uh huge chest but so

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the guy that that jean-claude van damme is playing yeah is like had wrote had

00:22:41.939 --> 00:22:46.199
all these stories about like how much of a badass he was to the point where

00:22:46.199 --> 00:22:49.539
like he goes into I don't remember if it was the UFC,

00:22:49.719 --> 00:22:54.759
but like legit, like a legit MMA fight with like this whole like record that

00:22:54.759 --> 00:23:01.139
he made up essentially of like including that, that Kumite from Bloodsport.

00:23:01.815 --> 00:23:08.855
And he was like this secret undercover operative. His hands are weapons. I consult for the CIA.

00:23:09.795 --> 00:23:13.475
They're wet works. Basically. Special ops talks to me. I can't really talk about

00:23:13.475 --> 00:23:17.495
it. Goes to the MMA. Goes to this MMA fight. Just gets fucking obliterated.

00:23:18.295 --> 00:23:21.715
And it was like, I guess you're not as good as you said you were, sir.

00:23:21.915 --> 00:23:24.715
So that stuff used to be a lot more common back before the internet,

00:23:24.735 --> 00:23:29.135
basically, where it's like nowadays, unfortunately, those dudes just can't really

00:23:29.135 --> 00:23:31.915
get away with that stuff anymore. Although I bet it still kind of happens.

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It just happens less and less because it's too easy to expose people on that.

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But yeah, to your point earlier, I suppose it could be done.

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You'll just, if that dude goes into a tournament and just gets owned right away.

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It just, it's dangerous for different people, I guess. Yeah.

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It's dangerous for homie.

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And then those guys can always say that like, well, you know,

00:23:50.015 --> 00:23:51.795
I didn't, I had to hold back all my moves.

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Like they're going to kill the other guy. So I just didn't do any of my moves.

00:23:54.755 --> 00:23:58.095
I didn't do it. I was worried it was going to kill him. It was dangerous.

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The same thing. like the same like you know i'm you know i'm an infinity black

00:24:01.155 --> 00:24:04.375
but it's always those guys always like sound like they ain't we you occasionally

00:24:04.375 --> 00:24:06.135
when you're in gyms long enough like you'll get,

00:24:06.815 --> 00:24:10.075
weirdos who come in and like want to tell you about all the black belts they have and they,

00:24:10.735 --> 00:24:15.575
name things that don't sound like martial arts stuff you've never heard of like

00:24:15.575 --> 00:24:20.215
they're like yeah i'm in a i'm a wang joong like a red bell like what is this

00:24:20.215 --> 00:24:23.395
shit like i've never heard of these martial arts in my life i but there's there's

00:24:23.395 --> 00:24:26.975
so many like little subcategories of like karate's and kung fu's and this and that.

00:24:27.075 --> 00:24:30.695
So it's like, I can't, I don't, it's almost like this is like more of like I

00:24:30.695 --> 00:24:35.135
saw my guilt, my lack of knowledge of the, the many different.

00:24:36.925 --> 00:24:39.445
Specific subsects of martial arts. There's so many of them that like when people

00:24:39.445 --> 00:24:42.385
name these things, I'm like, I assume this person's a psychopath and this is

00:24:42.385 --> 00:24:45.325
not true, but also like, I guess I can't rule it out.

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I don't know enough to say that this isn't real, but I feel like it's not real.

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That, basically that. Yeah, exactly.

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And then like, you know, it's you, you, you sometimes like you just,

00:24:53.785 --> 00:24:56.445
you know, if you're in like a, if you're in like a sales and,

00:24:56.465 --> 00:24:58.985
or if you're in a customer service position, you kind of just let them talk.

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You're like, dude, tell me that's awesome. Oh, no way. You're that thing.

00:25:01.385 --> 00:25:03.385
And of that thing. And of that thing, dude, that's really cool.

00:25:03.685 --> 00:25:04.825
Have you ever done jujitsu before?

00:25:05.325 --> 00:25:08.405
No, never. but I've done like this thing and then they'll keep ranting and you're

00:25:08.405 --> 00:25:10.425
like all right very sweet all right so I'm gonna need you to sign the waiver

00:25:10.425 --> 00:25:13.265
um you're gonna go to the intro class,

00:25:13.785 --> 00:25:16.525
you do that and then don't hurt my don't hurt my

00:25:16.525 --> 00:25:19.425
students sometimes those guys are all still like kind of like awesome dudes

00:25:19.425 --> 00:25:21.765
you're kind of just like you just think to yourself like this person's probably

00:25:21.765 --> 00:25:25.925
delusional and but maybe not maybe I don't I just don't know about these martial

00:25:25.925 --> 00:25:31.745
arts I've never heard of um so we'll see but then they and then but the funny

00:25:31.745 --> 00:25:34.225
thing about that is like you just tell me you don't know this and that's totally

00:25:34.225 --> 00:25:36.585
fine I'll just put you with you're gonna You're going to go to the intro class

00:25:36.585 --> 00:25:37.705
either way. I don't know you, bro.

00:25:38.445 --> 00:25:40.965
That's just where you're going to go. We're going to have two instructors probably

00:25:40.965 --> 00:25:43.865
watching you. Make sure you're not a complete lunatic. And most of the time,

00:25:43.965 --> 00:25:46.165
they're not lunatics. They just say this stuff.

00:25:47.325 --> 00:25:50.745
And they just get tapped out and owned by everyone. And by the way,

00:25:50.845 --> 00:25:53.245
big deal. If you're in the intro class, everyone's getting tapped out.

00:25:53.465 --> 00:25:56.345
It's not like. Don't worry. They all suck. The funny thing is,

00:25:56.405 --> 00:25:58.625
it's like, who are you trying to impress, man? It's okay.

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To your point, we don't see a lot of this stuff because we have Instagram. Like, we actually know—.

00:26:06.595 --> 00:26:09.295
This would be another thing. It's not sandbagging, but like this was kind of

00:26:09.295 --> 00:26:12.495
a shout out to like the dudes out there who train hard as fuck,

00:26:12.575 --> 00:26:16.335
who are sick as, who are really good, but who don't post a bunch of shit online.

00:26:16.495 --> 00:26:19.995
Like that's, it's not, cause that's not sandbagging. But I actually really like that.

00:26:20.675 --> 00:26:23.675
We have a mutual friend. We'll call him the doctor who people know,

00:26:23.895 --> 00:26:26.555
especially people here know how good he is. But he's the kind of guy who like

00:26:26.555 --> 00:26:27.895
he's not a big social media guy.

00:26:29.035 --> 00:26:32.655
He's one of the toughest dudes ever. But he's nasty. He's very good at jiu-jitsu.

00:26:32.855 --> 00:26:33.755
He's sick as fucking wrestling.

00:26:34.315 --> 00:26:36.935
Beast. um and he'll kind of go to other gyms he's not

00:26:36.935 --> 00:26:39.515
he's not the type of guy he would never like he will tell you he's like i'm a black belt in

00:26:39.515 --> 00:26:42.175
jutsu i won a world championship like a year ago he would tell you that if you

00:26:42.175 --> 00:26:45.575
asked him like but he's a very like humble unassuming

00:26:45.575 --> 00:26:48.415
guy and then like you'll train with him and he's told me countless stories of

00:26:48.415 --> 00:26:52.295
like going to like he's a funny guy who like he has

00:26:52.295 --> 00:26:55.515
this crazy history in

00:26:55.515 --> 00:26:58.275
the last like five to six seven years as long as i've

00:26:58.275 --> 00:27:01.255
known him that like he'll like just in various travels for work with family

00:27:01.255 --> 00:27:04.835
like he'll like go on vacation to like panama or whatever

00:27:04.835 --> 00:27:07.495
and um he'll pop in at a local gym because he wants

00:27:07.495 --> 00:27:10.595
to train he'll go in there and like he has stumbled upon like

00:27:10.595 --> 00:27:13.655
world beaters dude and like people

00:27:13.655 --> 00:27:16.335
whose names you know in jiu-jitsu and just kind of popped in like an open mat and trained with

00:27:16.335 --> 00:27:19.095
these guys and trained hard with them

00:27:19.095 --> 00:27:23.355
and like earned their respect because they're like multi multi-time

00:27:23.355 --> 00:27:26.635
like elite champions um and he'll go

00:27:26.635 --> 00:27:29.415
on the mat with them because he's just not the kind of guy like post a

00:27:29.415 --> 00:27:33.215
million things on instagram but he trains he's definitely not sandbagging but

00:27:33.215 --> 00:27:36.055
they won't know who he is and like i have like a i kind of appreciate

00:27:36.055 --> 00:27:38.795
guys like this who are sort of like we'll call those guys the actual like

00:27:38.795 --> 00:27:42.495
frank frank ledukes like yeah the kind of like the secret covert ops guys who

00:27:42.495 --> 00:27:46.375
are like no one knows who he is but why is this guy so fucking good he didn't

00:27:46.375 --> 00:27:48.715
he didn't downplay it he actually was kind of humble he had a little bit of

00:27:48.715 --> 00:27:52.135
a this guy might be like a tough aura to him so he's not hiding the ball he's

00:27:52.135 --> 00:27:55.775
just not like puffing his chest and he comes in like he goes with like the guy

00:27:55.775 --> 00:27:57.095
who's the head coach who's.

00:27:57.899 --> 00:28:01.439
A world beater and like takes them to task until like the last second,

00:28:01.519 --> 00:28:03.779
last round. And like the world beater usually is like, dude,

00:28:03.879 --> 00:28:05.459
you're kind of awesome. High five knuckles them.

00:28:05.639 --> 00:28:08.899
I've been with, to this, with this doctor to events where like,

00:28:08.979 --> 00:28:12.799
we've been like at tournaments and we've run into some of these dudes and they'll be like, it's you.

00:28:13.719 --> 00:28:16.299
How are you, man? You're the man. I'll never forget you. You showed up in my

00:28:16.299 --> 00:28:18.859
gym. I didn't know who you were. You were like, no one in my gym beats me up.

00:28:18.919 --> 00:28:20.679
You beat me up. Like you're, who are you?

00:28:20.999 --> 00:28:23.699
It's cool. And they'll remember it's, it's fun. So it's like a,

00:28:23.699 --> 00:28:25.159
that's a reverse legend.

00:28:25.419 --> 00:28:28.319
He is. He's the not-so-secret secret legend.

00:28:28.339 --> 00:28:30.559
Some of you listening, maybe you've interacted with him at your gym.

00:28:30.559 --> 00:28:32.779
A lot of people listening have interacted with him. They know who I'm talking

00:28:32.779 --> 00:28:34.219
about. These other gym owners.

00:28:34.499 --> 00:28:35.959
They know who I'm talking about. And the gym owners know him,

00:28:35.959 --> 00:28:39.639
too. But, yeah, yeah, yeah. Exactly. It's like, that's reverse sandbag.

00:28:39.639 --> 00:28:40.779
The legend of the doctor.

00:28:41.219 --> 00:28:43.659
That's, I guess, the reverse sandbag or somewhere in between.

00:28:44.079 --> 00:28:49.359
It's a full reverse because he's like, no, I'm pretty good. I'm not the best. No, I've trained.

00:28:49.659 --> 00:28:51.759
But, like, I'm good. I've got a black belt.

00:28:52.579 --> 00:28:56.539
Yeah. That's all it takes. It's just like if you go into a gym or whatever,

00:28:56.599 --> 00:28:58.399
you're visiting someone and they ask you a question like that,

00:28:58.419 --> 00:29:00.279
you just be honest. You know what I mean?

00:29:00.899 --> 00:29:03.859
Why not? What's the weird thing about it? There's nothing to lose.

00:29:04.119 --> 00:29:07.519
I mean, anytime I drop into a place, I'm like, yeah, like, this is how long

00:29:07.519 --> 00:29:10.359
I've been training. This is the belt I have. Yeah. I compete.

00:29:10.719 --> 00:29:13.439
Like, here's all of it. Can I come train?

00:29:13.859 --> 00:29:17.899
Can I train with you? Can I train? Or ask yourself, like, it's like weird.

00:29:18.239 --> 00:29:22.679
If, yeah, I mean, it's sort of like if you're listening to this and you're a

00:29:22.679 --> 00:29:26.079
practitioner who may or may not be doing things like this, ask yourself this.

00:29:26.179 --> 00:29:30.099
If you were going into someone else's house, if you were in their position,

00:29:30.279 --> 00:29:34.139
would you want someone doing this? This is bizarre behavior, man.

00:29:34.599 --> 00:29:37.999
Yeah, it's weird. It's very weird. Sandbagging is weird, dude. It is weird.

00:29:39.379 --> 00:29:43.279
It's silly. Yeah, especially, I don't know, the...

00:29:43.946 --> 00:29:48.046
It just doesn't, it's just too much value placed into, like,

00:29:48.166 --> 00:29:52.006
that $5 winning, that you have to win that gold medal, I guess. Uh-huh.

00:29:52.226 --> 00:29:55.746
Right? Like, maybe that's, maybe that's the driving, like, they just have to

00:29:55.746 --> 00:29:58.426
be, they're not, they're not used to not being the best.

00:29:58.926 --> 00:30:03.026
Yeah. Or they, they feel like they have to be the best, and so they're afraid

00:30:03.026 --> 00:30:05.726
to not win every match or something.

00:30:05.966 --> 00:30:10.466
Like, I don't know. That or, like, their ambition is so, so low that they think

00:30:10.466 --> 00:30:12.546
they need to, like, Like you said,

00:30:12.846 --> 00:30:17.746
go beat up someone in a division below them in a local tournament rather than,

00:30:17.926 --> 00:30:21.566
I don't know if that gives them some sort of overwhelming,

00:30:21.886 --> 00:30:25.086
it's probably fleeting, because you know deep down, you're like, I kind of...

00:30:25.869 --> 00:30:28.429
Cheat might be a strong one, but sort of like I took the simplest.

00:30:28.549 --> 00:30:32.209
I like deceptively like beat up people weaker than me. I didn't do the hard

00:30:32.209 --> 00:30:33.789
thing. Correct. Correct. It's that.

00:30:35.269 --> 00:30:39.029
But like if you really want a medal you want to be proud of,

00:30:39.169 --> 00:30:42.429
why don't you go compete in a division with like you got to like test yourself a little bit.

00:30:42.509 --> 00:30:46.229
That medal will mean more than like you going out and just like bodying up some

00:30:46.229 --> 00:30:49.569
white belts to win like eight, nine, ten local tournaments.

00:30:49.729 --> 00:30:52.569
Like at what point do those just become like paperweights later?

00:30:52.689 --> 00:30:55.309
You're like, this doesn't mean anything to me. I have no cool story other than

00:30:55.309 --> 00:31:00.109
I just like ambushed some dude who knew who just began training.

00:31:00.309 --> 00:31:05.189
And I've actually, you've sandbagged more tournaments than this person has months of training.

00:31:05.509 --> 00:31:07.829
Yeah. Like if that's what you're doing, it's kind of like, it's just,

00:31:07.929 --> 00:31:10.789
yeah, it's like, dude, check yourself, bro. Look at yourself in the mirror.

00:31:10.949 --> 00:31:11.809
How can you live with yourself?

00:31:12.209 --> 00:31:17.629
Your coward is disgusting. An easily earned gold medal like is way less valuable

00:31:17.629 --> 00:31:21.129
than that one that like bronze medal that you, or even that fourth place is

00:31:21.129 --> 00:31:23.129
like you fought hard for it. Yeah. Like a real fight.

00:31:23.289 --> 00:31:26.029
Yeah. like you actually like doing this had to slog it out

00:31:26.029 --> 00:31:28.889
even if you didn't even win but like sometimes like i

00:31:28.889 --> 00:31:32.009
don't know there's been you know hard-fought loss sometimes it's

00:31:32.009 --> 00:31:35.529
way better hard-fought losses that i'm very proud of yeah yeah but

00:31:35.529 --> 00:31:38.509
you're like no like i'm proud of that like screw that

00:31:38.509 --> 00:31:41.449
other like i don't know walking through a whole division

00:31:41.449 --> 00:31:44.309
right like yeah it's weird sometimes that's cool

00:31:44.309 --> 00:31:47.269
but like where's your honor where's your bushido where

00:31:47.269 --> 00:31:49.949
is your warrior code yeah why are you doing this are you doing this because

00:31:49.949 --> 00:31:52.649
you want to be a better warrior if that's what you do the

00:31:52.649 --> 00:31:55.949
answer is no it's not you want to be kind of a bully yeah

00:31:55.949 --> 00:31:58.809
that's just being a bully shit like what are

00:31:58.809 --> 00:32:05.249
you doing go pick a fight with like go into it yeah go go win a real medal that's

00:32:05.249 --> 00:32:09.569
you you earned like and then be you can be proud about puff your chest about

00:32:09.569 --> 00:32:13.669
that like i have no problem that like get hyped cool you know do that with some

00:32:13.669 --> 00:32:16.789
taste and with some you know decorum but also like.

00:32:17.966 --> 00:32:21.006
What are you, what are you doing? There it is. Okay. Um, yeah,

00:32:21.106 --> 00:32:22.486
that's, that's, that's strange.

00:32:22.646 --> 00:32:25.486
It's like, you know, I don't know. We don't really associate with like the types

00:32:25.486 --> 00:32:28.406
of people who would do this sort of thing. So it's like, I don't know. I don't know.

00:32:28.666 --> 00:32:31.466
It's cool to shame them. It's fun. It's fun to shame them. Yeah. Shame.

00:32:31.946 --> 00:32:35.166
Yeah. I don't, I don't know a lot of, uh, I don't know a lot of people that

00:32:35.166 --> 00:32:36.946
are sandbagging. So thankfully.

00:32:37.706 --> 00:32:40.126
Yeah. I mean, you know, you'll interact with them, but it's like,

00:32:40.226 --> 00:32:42.706
that's like, that's like a weird, like interloper kind of thing.

00:32:42.706 --> 00:32:46.086
Someone kind of sweeps in and then like does like the shady thing and then kind

00:32:46.086 --> 00:32:49.526
of people don't want people can smell that and they don't want to be around

00:32:49.526 --> 00:32:53.246
people like that so they'll kind of like those dudes inevitably kind of wander

00:32:53.246 --> 00:32:57.346
off to go pull this trick off i guess on someone else somewhere else or maybe

00:32:57.346 --> 00:32:59.766
at some point they mature in their life and they kind of grow out of it,

00:33:00.386 --> 00:33:05.386
one would hope but it's a yeah those those types don't tend to stick around

00:33:05.386 --> 00:33:09.086
because like people are smart and they'll figure it out and make oh you're the

00:33:09.086 --> 00:33:10.926
weirdo who like tells everyone that he's,

00:33:11.426 --> 00:33:14.686
trained four times but has been

00:33:14.686 --> 00:33:17.646
training way longer than that i think i've run into more

00:33:17.646 --> 00:33:20.406
people that exaggerate their

00:33:20.406 --> 00:33:24.566
experience than i have people that underplay

00:33:24.566 --> 00:33:27.306
it like i think i've actually so like

00:33:27.306 --> 00:33:30.786
we had a guy come in once um he doesn't

00:33:30.786 --> 00:33:34.526
trade with us anymore so i don't care about telling the story uh but

00:33:34.526 --> 00:33:37.986
like he came in he was like yeah like i've been training for a while and like

00:33:37.986 --> 00:33:41.686
he's training with the guys and

00:33:41.686 --> 00:33:44.546
one was like yeah man so like so like how long

00:33:44.546 --> 00:33:47.606
you been training he's like oh like a while he's gonna

00:33:47.606 --> 00:33:51.686
be like what's a while and he's like oh i like popped into this one gym for

00:33:51.686 --> 00:33:57.126
like a month so he did like a free trial at this other gym and like was and

00:33:57.126 --> 00:34:00.706
he was like trying to like coach these other people who've been training for

00:34:00.706 --> 00:34:05.786
a couple years at this point like through stuff and they're like hey dude like.

00:34:06.668 --> 00:34:10.368
Just stop. So like, I've seen more of that where like people,

00:34:10.748 --> 00:34:15.928
you know, in like part of parts of that are, you know, things that occur in

00:34:15.928 --> 00:34:18.988
jujitsu anyways, like that, like, Oh, I learned this thing.

00:34:19.168 --> 00:34:22.268
I'm an expert now like that. We see that all the time in this,

00:34:22.448 --> 00:34:26.608
like, you know, it happens. There's always that white belt. Who's explaining to the white belt.

00:34:26.888 --> 00:34:33.008
Who's been there less time than them, but not the brand new trial class guy explaining things.

00:34:33.328 --> 00:34:36.028
Who's also literally just a trial class guy.

00:34:37.168 --> 00:34:41.068
Explaining things to someone who's been there for a while. That happens too.

00:34:41.648 --> 00:34:47.988
That's also very weird, but for whatever reason, if we were to grade the infractions

00:34:47.988 --> 00:34:51.168
and which ones, the sandbagging to me is one of the worst things a person can

00:34:51.168 --> 00:34:56.448
do because you knew you had, that's a bully move in some capacity, in my opinion.

00:34:56.928 --> 00:35:03.228
Someone doing that, I guess you're intentionally... You're beating up people

00:35:03.228 --> 00:35:07.008
weaker than you and you're trying to make it sound like you're not as good as

00:35:07.008 --> 00:35:09.048
you are. So you can like, yeah, you can trick them.

00:35:09.408 --> 00:35:16.908
It's, it's intentionally doing things to hurt or maybe not, but like you're

00:35:16.908 --> 00:35:21.148
doing something that's to the detriment of another person to make yourself feel better.

00:35:21.348 --> 00:35:25.428
Correct. Yeah. Which is bizarre. But to me, that's one of the grossest ways to behave.

00:35:25.668 --> 00:35:29.908
But, um, there's only like one or two things below this person.

00:35:30.028 --> 00:35:31.728
There are things below that person.

00:35:31.928 --> 00:35:33.928
Which we can talk about another time. Maybe another time.

00:35:34.488 --> 00:35:36.968
You're right. You're right. These are definitely, These are definitely just

00:35:36.968 --> 00:35:39.948
all, like, there's all categories of, like, silly bonehead things that people

00:35:39.948 --> 00:35:43.608
do that's not that big of a deal, but it's like, I guess if someone did get

00:35:43.608 --> 00:35:46.408
hurt because that guy sandbagged, that'd be one thing, but we're not talking about that.

00:35:46.508 --> 00:35:49.608
That doesn't, I haven't seen that happen a lot, but yeah, I'm,

00:35:49.708 --> 00:35:53.208
no, usually they, this is just knucklehead stuff. They get through it way quicker

00:35:53.208 --> 00:35:54.228
than, why are you being weird?

00:35:54.368 --> 00:35:58.948
It's like, I, I, but, but I want to respond to the idea you talked about a second ago, uh.

00:36:00.349 --> 00:36:03.409
At least when someone tries to like aggrandize their

00:36:03.409 --> 00:36:06.249
skill set like i i kind of that's another like i put all like the

00:36:06.249 --> 00:36:09.449
psychology of these things in like a bucket of like different versions

00:36:09.449 --> 00:36:14.189
of insecurity and the need to feel validated um and but at least that one i

00:36:14.189 --> 00:36:18.909
have somewhat perhaps i don't know i think a better understanding of why someone

00:36:18.909 --> 00:36:24.049
would do that and i think it's just a thirst to want to be like hey i just want

00:36:24.049 --> 00:36:28.989
to fit in and look cool which like i get like again And I think it's kind of a dork move,

00:36:29.189 --> 00:36:33.889
but like also like, okay, like it makes like you kind of feel bad for that person

00:36:33.889 --> 00:36:36.049
for being like, just tell them you don't need to do this. Like,

00:36:36.109 --> 00:36:37.069
it's okay. No, you're not.

00:36:37.369 --> 00:36:41.609
It's okay. It's okay, man. We don't care that you've never done this.

00:36:41.849 --> 00:36:44.569
We got a room of instructors. We accept you. It's okay. Just,

00:36:44.629 --> 00:36:47.249
I just want to settle my, maybe that's the move for all these things. Like whatever.

00:36:47.509 --> 00:36:50.069
I don't just, I just tell me what your skill set is. Answer the question.

00:36:50.449 --> 00:36:52.209
Can you count on two hands how many times you've trained?

00:36:52.689 --> 00:36:56.209
Just, we accept you no matter what. We accept you.

00:36:57.129 --> 00:37:00.069
But if someone does that, I'm like, all right, you want to sound like you're

00:37:00.069 --> 00:37:03.389
cool and you know more like, I mean, you don't you shouldn't do that.

00:37:03.589 --> 00:37:05.629
But like, at the same time, like, all right, it's kind of like,

00:37:06.353 --> 00:37:09.073
I know that you don't know what you're talking about. So it's kind of hard.

00:37:09.153 --> 00:37:11.153
And I, you know, like I can handle it.

00:37:11.293 --> 00:37:14.893
So it's like somewhat harmless, but also just like, geez, why are you doing this?

00:37:15.553 --> 00:37:18.393
Who do you think needs to hear what you have to say? Yeah.

00:37:18.693 --> 00:37:22.133
It's another, again, it's like, it's in the, the, the broad and vast bucket

00:37:22.133 --> 00:37:25.713
of insecurity, which insecurity causes people to do a lot of funny things, I suppose.

00:37:26.913 --> 00:37:31.293
So yeah. Yeah. I think that's what that one, I did want to say one thing I mentioned

00:37:31.293 --> 00:37:35.253
earlier that in regards to the, the bell thing, when the guy you were talking

00:37:35.253 --> 00:37:37.893
about had like, I guess he put on a white belt when he was actually a blue belt.

00:37:38.113 --> 00:37:41.513
I have heard people, and I've had people do this around me where they're like,

00:37:42.013 --> 00:37:44.193
yeah, I got my blue belt from a different gym, and I didn't want to wear it

00:37:44.193 --> 00:37:46.893
because I didn't get promoted from you guys, so I demoted myself to white belt.

00:37:46.933 --> 00:37:48.153
I always tell people, like, what are you doing?

00:37:48.233 --> 00:37:51.053
You don't need to do that. Dude, wear the belt. Someone else gave you the belt. It's totally fine.

00:37:51.773 --> 00:37:56.013
Someone obviously believed that you were worthy of this. Accept the belt,

00:37:56.093 --> 00:37:58.573
bro. It's yours. If you earned it from another academy, yeah.

00:37:58.853 --> 00:38:01.353
I always tell people that because I had people, for what it's worth,

00:38:01.473 --> 00:38:03.313
I've had a lot of people tell me that they were doing that too,

00:38:03.313 --> 00:38:06.193
kind of almost to be like hey this is what i'm gonna do what do you like

00:38:06.193 --> 00:38:09.093
to which i'm glad they tell me so i can then tell them

00:38:09.093 --> 00:38:12.093
that so i'm like no no dude like you got promoted like you earned it like it's not

00:38:12.093 --> 00:38:15.673
a big deal that is like another like i think sometimes i don't know if back

00:38:15.673 --> 00:38:18.993
in the day people used to do that like maybe people used to do that like you're

00:38:18.993 --> 00:38:23.173
new to my jamie your purple belt i put that white belt on i don't know you i

00:38:23.173 --> 00:38:28.493
think i've heard old school stories of that with like um i think i heard a hickson

00:38:28.493 --> 00:38:31.953
story like some dude went to with his blue belt to like.

00:38:32.694 --> 00:38:36.154
One of someone's gym might have been a Hickson gym. I don't know.

00:38:36.334 --> 00:38:38.834
I'm not going to like, I can't remember.

00:38:39.114 --> 00:38:42.974
Throw shade at Hickson. But he went, you dare. He had been training like all over.

00:38:43.154 --> 00:38:46.714
And I think he had just gotten his blue belt somewhere and then moved,

00:38:46.874 --> 00:38:49.514
went to a new gym. And they're like, nah, dude, you take that thing off.

00:38:50.234 --> 00:38:52.874
So maybe it used to happen. It might be like an old school thing,

00:38:53.074 --> 00:38:56.314
but that, you know, also, you know, mafia shit, I guess. That's weird.

00:38:56.814 --> 00:39:00.694
That's also kind of weird. I don't think that's necessary. but in my experience

00:39:00.694 --> 00:39:05.994
like usually if like someone does that they'll kind of tell you I heard you

00:39:05.994 --> 00:39:08.214
were a blue belt in a different gym and sometimes they kind of keep it close

00:39:08.214 --> 00:39:10.754
just like yeah you know but I'm new here so I'm like they'll just put on the

00:39:10.754 --> 00:39:15.054
blue belts no problem because I think if I may the last thing on that I think it's just people like,

00:39:15.654 --> 00:39:22.354
people care too much about how good they think they are or are not at executing jiu-jitsu um and,

00:39:23.134 --> 00:39:26.654
I guess my response to that is like, if you really care, go compete.

00:39:26.814 --> 00:39:28.174
And we'll just go find out how good you are.

00:39:30.394 --> 00:39:33.474
People are in the room to train because they want to be good at it.

00:39:33.574 --> 00:39:40.094
But it's like the validation or like status of like what these belts may or

00:39:40.094 --> 00:39:44.054
may not convey to other people. It's like, I think people read into it way too much, man.

00:39:44.254 --> 00:39:48.434
Well, and I- Maybe it's easy for me to say. I guess if they're- The belts don't

00:39:48.434 --> 00:39:50.434
matter once you have the last one.

00:39:50.654 --> 00:39:53.854
I should say, I do realize like every time I do this, saying it's sort of like

00:39:53.854 --> 00:39:56.694
other black belts do this too and it is true we say it for a reason.

00:39:57.514 --> 00:40:00.354
Um but i also think it's funny i every time every time i say

00:40:00.354 --> 00:40:03.094
this cliche right it is a cliche but i always want to say that i'm like i guess

00:40:03.094 --> 00:40:06.254
it's easy for me to say because i have black belt but whatever but it's

00:40:06.254 --> 00:40:09.394
true because like matter you'll get like that's the thing is like i've trained

00:40:09.394 --> 00:40:12.634
in places dude like i play i train at nack's place where there's this like giant

00:40:12.634 --> 00:40:17.534
awesome dude who wrestled for the olympic team he's a purple belt or so he just

00:40:17.534 --> 00:40:20.334
got his purple belt dude's awesome good dude and like we're like training and

00:40:20.334 --> 00:40:23.834
i tell you like just because i have a black belt and he's got a purple belt, man.

00:40:24.094 --> 00:40:28.414
It's, it's a pretty competitive training, dude. Like he's, he's fucking good.

00:40:28.874 --> 00:40:32.514
And, um, he's not sandbagging by the way, but like we're training Nogi.

00:40:32.614 --> 00:40:34.494
I'm like, this guy's feels sick as fuck.

00:40:34.634 --> 00:40:37.674
He's really good. And so all I'm saying is like, I guess it's like one thing

00:40:37.674 --> 00:40:39.734
when you get the black belt, but you're like, some of these dudes feel like

00:40:39.734 --> 00:40:41.814
they're still very goddamn challenging to train with.

00:40:41.954 --> 00:40:45.814
And the, but just the belt really just, it's just like, I think it's just a

00:40:45.814 --> 00:40:51.834
good, uh, uh, uh, between you like there's I guess three elements that.

00:40:52.571 --> 00:40:55.611
Well used to get to this point which is like it's it's it's a

00:40:55.611 --> 00:40:59.291
reflection of the work you do in the community that you're

00:40:59.291 --> 00:41:02.551
involved in that a black belt and or like professor

00:41:02.551 --> 00:41:05.571
leader is choosing to just recognize the work you

00:41:05.571 --> 00:41:08.531
do so it means something to you and that's

00:41:08.531 --> 00:41:11.371
really where it should end yeah it means something to you and like yeah

00:41:11.371 --> 00:41:14.211
we'll use these belts the belts do have i realize it's

00:41:14.211 --> 00:41:17.371
more than what i'm saying that's what it i think the healthy

00:41:17.371 --> 00:41:20.051
mature things should be for individuals to kind of think of it

00:41:20.051 --> 00:41:23.051
like that yeah we use the belts to get into the IBJJF and

00:41:23.051 --> 00:41:26.431
do things like that so there is like practical applications like I want to keep

00:41:26.431 --> 00:41:29.171
ascending so I'm going to need the next belt so people kind of like build this

00:41:29.171 --> 00:41:35.231
up to be more than I guess I'm saying it should be but like at the end of the

00:41:35.231 --> 00:41:40.911
day man like most of our time is not in a competition room I recommend people to compete but.

00:41:42.883 --> 00:41:45.663
Most of the time it's going to be just in the gym and like when you're in the gym it's like if you,

00:41:46.303 --> 00:41:50.303
are constantly looking around at the other dude's belts and like maybe overthinking

00:41:50.303 --> 00:41:53.103
the value of what these things mean not that you shouldn't be fired up if like

00:41:53.103 --> 00:41:54.763
you're a purple belt and you're like you know how to really get around with

00:41:54.763 --> 00:41:57.443
a black belt like I don't think it's okay to be fired up about that it's a positive

00:41:57.443 --> 00:42:02.243
thing don't make it more than it is no it is that's the way it stops right.

00:42:02.743 --> 00:42:05.703
But I don't think it's a bad thing for someone because like again like

00:42:05.703 --> 00:42:09.043
taking a step back there's still a level of like skill measurement

00:42:09.043 --> 00:42:11.943
there but um you might have been about to say this but

00:42:11.943 --> 00:42:15.203
like the belts are personal right like there's i

00:42:15.203 --> 00:42:18.723
think i just said that yeah like it is it is but

00:42:18.723 --> 00:42:21.623
it's for you it's a measurement of you not a measurement of

00:42:21.623 --> 00:42:26.603
you versus the world everybody else right like it's hey like you've done the

00:42:26.603 --> 00:42:30.123
thing um you did the work because like you were consistent you got in front

00:42:30.123 --> 00:42:32.623
of your profession the professor's like hey man you've been here in this room

00:42:32.623 --> 00:42:36.203
and in this room we have certain standards and objectives and like there's like

00:42:36.203 --> 00:42:39.923
a rigor that we apply to this and you did it And like, this is for you to be excited about,

00:42:40.063 --> 00:42:42.583
like you earned it and that's kind of where it ends. Yeah.

00:42:42.683 --> 00:42:47.083
And we've probably said this on other episodes that like the 50 year old black

00:42:47.083 --> 00:42:50.743
belt in the 18 year old blue belt cannot,

00:42:51.003 --> 00:42:56.683
you can't measure these people the same way because obviously there's physical

00:42:56.683 --> 00:42:57.943
limitations involved too.

00:42:57.943 --> 00:43:01.623
Like an 18 year old blue belt might beat up every 50

00:43:01.623 --> 00:43:04.403
year old in your gym just because they're full of piss and

00:43:04.403 --> 00:43:07.483
vinegar and have something to prove and

00:43:07.483 --> 00:43:10.663
doesn't you know they sit around all day and they're

00:43:10.663 --> 00:43:15.743
fresh at 7 30 p.m every single day you know like there's so many other factors

00:43:15.743 --> 00:43:20.083
involved that like that's just a terrible way to measure your own ability right

00:43:20.083 --> 00:43:25.363
um if like your fighting ability is like so important to you like i get it because

00:43:25.363 --> 00:43:29.163
fighting my fighting ability actually is important to me. I get that. Like, just go compete.

00:43:29.623 --> 00:43:32.503
Like, does this training room bizarre stuff and like go compete and go compete

00:43:32.503 --> 00:43:35.943
in a real division that you should be in and talk to your coach about that.

00:43:36.103 --> 00:43:39.063
Like, don't like be like running around with like this like bizarre like.

00:43:39.950 --> 00:43:42.890
Grandiose version of yourself that you need to validate by

00:43:42.890 --> 00:43:45.510
like acting goofy in a training room like if you

00:43:45.510 --> 00:43:50.310
like care a lot about your fighting and that's okay that's okay yeah but go

00:43:50.310 --> 00:43:56.770
compete the reason i use that um that competition example at the beginning is

00:43:56.770 --> 00:44:01.950
because there's specific like especially at like locals they tend to have like

00:44:01.950 --> 00:44:04.170
a division that's for first-time competitors,

00:44:05.050 --> 00:44:08.230
and they tend to state in those rules like

00:44:08.230 --> 00:44:11.590
anyone who's wrestled

00:44:11.590 --> 00:44:14.830
should not be in this division like if you've done any

00:44:14.830 --> 00:44:17.770
other grappling sport you shouldn't be here

00:44:17.770 --> 00:44:20.830
that's right um so like that's that's why i use that example

00:44:20.830 --> 00:44:23.730
because like yes if you're ranked at a white belt

00:44:23.730 --> 00:44:26.970
compete at white belt that's fine i like

00:44:26.970 --> 00:44:29.830
whatever that's where you should be competing but

00:44:29.830 --> 00:44:32.810
like don't maybe if you're if you have d1 wrestling

00:44:32.810 --> 00:44:36.990
experience maybe we don't compete with the first time competitors right um you

00:44:36.990 --> 00:44:39.990
know and uh this actually might be a good

00:44:39.990 --> 00:44:49.530
point to kind of segue off of into what do you what should you do if you know

00:44:49.530 --> 00:44:55.610
someone at your gym obviously we don't know anyone because we don't surround

00:44:55.610 --> 00:44:59.790
ourselves with these people at least that we know of but like what do you do.

00:45:00.810 --> 00:45:07.270
If you have people at your gym that you find out are like intentionally signing

00:45:07.270 --> 00:45:09.810
up for divisions below what they should be signing up for.

00:45:10.950 --> 00:45:14.850
Well, I mean, it depends on who you're talking to. You're talking about a training partner?

00:45:15.130 --> 00:45:18.290
Yeah, if these are training partners, not the coach specifically,

00:45:18.530 --> 00:45:21.450
not if we find out. Yeah, well, that's okay.

00:45:21.750 --> 00:45:25.070
I mean, if you're a training partner, I think it's just like, it's not a big deal.

00:45:25.550 --> 00:45:29.190
Like, I think it's the coach's job. I don't think like people need to go off

00:45:29.190 --> 00:45:31.630
and like start tattletaling and shit. Like that's kind of silly,

00:45:31.690 --> 00:45:33.390
but like maybe you can make fun of them.

00:45:34.207 --> 00:45:38.447
Like, it depends on how, are you on, like, if you're kind of on,

00:45:38.527 --> 00:45:40.947
like, friendly terms with this person, you can have a conversation with them

00:45:40.947 --> 00:45:42.847
and be like, what are you doing in that fucking white belt division?

00:45:42.887 --> 00:45:44.307
You wrestled at, you know, Penn State.

00:45:44.747 --> 00:45:48.247
Yeah. What are you, like, you can, you can, like, have a little fun with them,

00:45:48.307 --> 00:45:49.567
but, like, this is a coach's job.

00:45:49.947 --> 00:45:52.267
It's a coach's job to do this stuff. I guess that's what the question is,

00:45:52.327 --> 00:45:54.747
because actually, this came from, like, a question section on Reddit.

00:45:55.067 --> 00:45:57.207
Okay, okay. Like, this was something someone asked to the world.

00:45:57.207 --> 00:46:01.987
What should I do? It's like, hey, so this guy that I train with signed up for the novice division.

00:46:01.987 --> 00:46:07.067
This is his like third time he's been training he's been competing for over a year now like.

00:46:08.007 --> 00:46:11.307
And so i guess part of it is too like coach is

00:46:11.307 --> 00:46:14.327
going to show up and have to coach this guy right well maybe so

00:46:14.327 --> 00:46:17.407
like maybe this person's going off on their own should i had to guess but yeah

00:46:17.407 --> 00:46:20.787
but you're right but you're right like should you let should you let your coach

00:46:20.787 --> 00:46:24.287
know beforehand if he's gonna have to show up and coach this guy while he sandbags

00:46:24.287 --> 00:46:27.167
like you know i don't know i think that's a responsibility ask coach ask coach

00:46:27.167 --> 00:46:30.187
here's the thing here's what i would say to the Do you know so-and-so signed

00:46:30.187 --> 00:46:31.967
up for this? I don't know. Like, I'm just trying to.

00:46:32.127 --> 00:46:35.167
I don't think that the person, I think this is like, you don't need to be a tattletale.

00:46:35.587 --> 00:46:39.207
Like, number one, I think you just kind of like, just. We just shame the person.

00:46:39.407 --> 00:46:42.107
I think you shame them. I'm okay with that. I think you mock them and you shame them.

00:46:42.187 --> 00:46:44.027
And I think, or you just like take it on the chain and be like,

00:46:44.047 --> 00:46:47.547
this guy's kind of a silly goose. But like, all right, he's not hurting me in

00:46:47.547 --> 00:46:49.927
training. Like, just like, it's not your problem.

00:46:50.387 --> 00:46:55.487
And like, this reads as like a tattletale question. Like, what should I do? I want to go tell him.

00:46:55.647 --> 00:46:59.267
I'm like, oh, yeah, he's beating up the white belts. and you know and I'm over

00:46:59.267 --> 00:47:02.807
here not doing that and I'm a good boy and like that guy's a bad boy like alright

00:47:02.807 --> 00:47:07.027
alright grow up a little bit like everyone's adults like you just like here's

00:47:07.027 --> 00:47:09.627
what I would recommend to other person like okay like make a mental note of it be like alright

00:47:10.027 --> 00:47:11.947
in the training room that guy's kind of a weirdo,

00:47:13.007 --> 00:47:17.447
and then leave it at that yeah it's the coach's job to do all that stuff and

00:47:17.447 --> 00:47:20.407
to be like the coach should be like hey man you know what I.

00:47:21.469 --> 00:47:25.389
Came in here a week ago. You seem really good. Um, you're asking me to go coach.

00:47:25.989 --> 00:47:28.989
If this, if this is the case, you're asking me to coach in this weekend.

00:47:28.989 --> 00:47:30.109
I'm like, all right, yeah, maybe I can do that.

00:47:30.169 --> 00:47:32.969
I think I have some time I'm available to go do that. I don't know you that

00:47:32.969 --> 00:47:34.269
well, but like it's tough.

00:47:34.389 --> 00:47:40.309
It would be, it's in the scenario where coach is going with athlete to a tournament.

00:47:40.869 --> 00:47:47.089
Um, one would assume the coach would be able to figure out this disparity between

00:47:47.089 --> 00:47:49.929
division the guys in and like extraordinary skill.

00:47:50.489 --> 00:47:53.669
If the coach is half decent at his job, you should be able to figure that out.

00:47:53.769 --> 00:47:55.769
And if he's not, he's like, all right, let's go crush these white belts.

00:47:55.949 --> 00:47:57.469
Then like, that's the coach.

00:47:57.789 --> 00:48:01.649
And I guess if this person's asking, like I'd say, okay, I'll change it up a

00:48:01.649 --> 00:48:04.089
little bit and give the crybaby running there a little bit of credit.

00:48:04.209 --> 00:48:06.749
Like if that's the culture and the coach seems to be like allowing it all the

00:48:06.749 --> 00:48:10.749
time, like maybe go to a different gym, man. Or like ask yourself if the training environment's okay.

00:48:10.909 --> 00:48:13.909
Like if it's not, if I don't think it's like the biggest sin,

00:48:14.029 --> 00:48:16.129
again, this is kind of, we're getting a little bit into like jiu-jitsu taking

00:48:16.129 --> 00:48:19.709
itself too seriously here like all right it's like if everything else is okay

00:48:19.709 --> 00:48:22.809
like if the gym's across the street from you and like this is what these guys

00:48:22.809 --> 00:48:25.609
do like but like you're getting your money's worth like you're learning it's,

00:48:26.069 --> 00:48:29.069
yeah maybe the coach and the sometimes d1 athlete go

00:48:29.069 --> 00:48:32.909
in and fucking crush bike belts like in tournaments in like you know a couple

00:48:32.909 --> 00:48:36.109
hours away where no one knows who they are like that's that is bizarre but like

00:48:36.109 --> 00:48:41.009
is it the biggest deal in the world no but if it's that could be a symptom like

00:48:41.009 --> 00:48:44.649
cult episode we talked about that could be a sign of like a weird environment

00:48:44.649 --> 00:48:47.989
and if other aspects of the environment are weird then like go find another place to train.

00:48:48.529 --> 00:48:51.969
Yeah. But you don't need to be a tattletale. Yeah I think one of like the.

00:48:52.770 --> 00:48:57.730
One of like the top responses was just like, I mean, the coach is going to find

00:48:57.730 --> 00:48:59.770
out one way or another if he doesn't already know.

00:49:00.030 --> 00:49:03.270
Like, yeah, yeah, exactly. Like if he's going there to coach him,

00:49:03.370 --> 00:49:04.690
he's going to find out real quick.

00:49:04.830 --> 00:49:06.890
I mean, if you're close to the coach, like, okay, how about this?

00:49:06.930 --> 00:49:09.070
Like if you're the person in the room and you're like, you're like a four stripe

00:49:09.070 --> 00:49:11.570
per belt, you've been in this gym for forever and you know the coach really well.

00:49:11.650 --> 00:49:14.150
And like, if you know something, the coach doesn't know and the coach trusts

00:49:14.150 --> 00:49:16.550
you and like something, cause it's pretty common for like guys in charge to

00:49:16.550 --> 00:49:19.750
have like advocates in the room, like, like little like students who will kind

00:49:19.750 --> 00:49:21.750
of feed you intel and like, how's the community doing?

00:49:21.750 --> 00:49:24.570
Like what are people like you know that's important like if you're like if you

00:49:24.570 --> 00:49:27.130
are like a confidant of the coach and you're close enough with the guy and it's

00:49:27.130 --> 00:49:30.130
not weird for you to be like you know that dude's been training for like six

00:49:30.130 --> 00:49:34.050
years right like you can do that too like I'm like but like you ought to know

00:49:34.050 --> 00:49:37.270
these things just by having basic human intelligence and being in a room like

00:49:37.270 --> 00:49:41.630
long enough so yeah you know you know Johnny's competing at,

00:49:42.230 --> 00:49:46.710
novice right he's like faking being bad he's actually sick as fuck it's like

00:49:46.710 --> 00:49:50.430
he beats up everybody else here like what that weird limp that he uses when

00:49:50.430 --> 00:49:52.370
he walks around to act like he's injured He ain't injured.

00:49:52.490 --> 00:49:54.850
He ain't injured at all. I mean, sure.

00:49:55.510 --> 00:49:58.310
He's fucking Kaiser Sozang everybody, dude. Yeah, yeah. I mean,

00:49:58.370 --> 00:50:01.070
look, if you see something, say something.

00:50:01.350 --> 00:50:05.970
Don't be a tattletale. But if you've gotten to a point in your jiu-jitsu tenure

00:50:05.970 --> 00:50:09.750
that you kind of know the culture pretty well and you kind of understand what

00:50:09.750 --> 00:50:12.470
a good training environment and a bad training environment looks like and you

00:50:12.470 --> 00:50:14.950
see someone being bizarre, I don't think there's anything wrong with going to the coaching bench,

00:50:15.170 --> 00:50:17.830
just say, hey, man, by the way, I don't want to be a pain in the ass or anything,

00:50:17.930 --> 00:50:19.450
but this guy's doing some kind of weird stuff.

00:50:19.870 --> 00:50:22.450
That's a good thing, too. I think this dude's a fucking weirdo.

00:50:22.950 --> 00:50:26.690
Yeah, because, I mean, this does get into a whole world of things we could talk

00:50:26.690 --> 00:50:29.770
about. We'll have to talk about them at some point. Yeah.

00:50:30.210 --> 00:50:33.330
Eventually. Well, look, I mean, if you see weird shit, like,

00:50:33.450 --> 00:50:36.350
it's, you know, it is important to be like, yo, I'm going to help.

00:50:36.490 --> 00:50:39.850
Because it's like hygiene for the room. It's not just like cleaning the mats

00:50:39.850 --> 00:50:40.910
after training. It's kind of like...

00:50:41.734 --> 00:50:45.454
Keeping a clean training environment. It's a literal thing, but it's also like,

00:50:45.594 --> 00:50:47.214
kind of like an intangible little bit too.

00:50:47.254 --> 00:50:49.754
And I can consider that a positive thing for like a guy who's been around and

00:50:49.754 --> 00:50:53.094
who's got enough judgment and like knows enough people in the room to be like,

00:50:53.234 --> 00:50:55.934
man, this dude over here is kind of a little off. That's a good thing.

00:50:56.174 --> 00:50:58.994
But if you're going to be in a crybaby, be like, this guy goes up and beats

00:50:58.994 --> 00:51:02.914
white belts up. Like, he's bad. Like, you know, figure it out, man.

00:51:03.294 --> 00:51:08.794
Yeah, we talked about the, the cancers and the toxins within the room, right?

00:51:08.954 --> 00:51:11.774
Like the training during, during like the

00:51:11.774 --> 00:51:14.934
uh during the cult episode we talked about like you know

00:51:14.934 --> 00:51:18.394
you have to be conscious of the development of

00:51:18.394 --> 00:51:23.194
those like those people or those groups um so i mean yeah i guess that's true

00:51:23.194 --> 00:51:30.854
like if this guy's just going to the if he's just signing up at the locals sandbagging

00:51:30.854 --> 00:51:35.234
and i know we said sandbagging sucks because it is i mean it's a shitty bully thing to do but like.

00:51:36.035 --> 00:51:40.715
If he is only doing it at the tournament, like, it is a little bit different

00:51:40.715 --> 00:51:42.235
in terms of your responsibility.

00:51:42.675 --> 00:51:46.335
Yeah, you don't have, like, some responsibilities, like, my conscience,

00:51:46.415 --> 00:51:50.215
I can't rest with knowing this is, it's going to weigh me down in my life.

00:51:50.335 --> 00:51:58.555
Now, if he's also doing this in the training room, you have a responsibility to fuck him up.

00:51:58.755 --> 00:52:01.755
You've got to fuck him up. You have a responsibility to beat this guy down.

00:52:01.775 --> 00:52:05.615
Yeah, you can, but that's just, again, like, Because you got to protect the

00:52:05.615 --> 00:52:07.575
mats, man. You got to protect your own white belts.

00:52:07.855 --> 00:52:12.075
So that's, if he's doing this in the room too. That's what mat enforcers are for.

00:52:12.335 --> 00:52:15.515
Then, yeah, you go tell coach and you say, hey. Do I have permission to kill

00:52:15.515 --> 00:52:18.515
this guy? I think this guy needs some mat enforcement. Yeah.

00:52:19.035 --> 00:52:21.635
I think we've talked about it. I'm pro mat enforcing.

00:52:22.235 --> 00:52:25.075
Sure. Yeah, if done correctly, it's a good thing. There's a right way.

00:52:25.335 --> 00:52:26.915
There's definitely a wrong way.

00:52:27.475 --> 00:52:32.575
We're not going to the dark side like Knack here. He's a bad boy.

00:52:33.255 --> 00:52:36.355
Yeah, yeah. Well, that was a whole other thing, but I get what you're saying.

00:52:36.615 --> 00:52:40.315
I mean, it was sort of Matt enforcing. It was just a, that was a whole other level.

00:52:40.975 --> 00:52:45.855
Yeah, I suppose. But you know, it's in the past. The Statue of Limitations is over.

00:52:46.055 --> 00:52:49.415
It's in the past. He's learned, he's grown, he's become a better person. It's in the past.

00:52:50.075 --> 00:52:52.435
Yeah, yeah. He's not a bad person. He's a great person. He's awesome.

00:52:52.655 --> 00:52:55.775
But. Yeah, yeah, it's, yeah, dude.

00:52:56.655 --> 00:53:00.335
Okay. But if you're sandbagging, in summary, you're a goofball.

00:53:00.435 --> 00:53:02.735
What are you doing? You're a goofball. Why are you goofing?

00:53:03.275 --> 00:53:07.295
Just be. You seem weird. Be better? Yeah, be better. Just be better.

00:53:07.295 --> 00:53:10.475
That's pretty good. Be better. Be better. If you're sandbagging, be better. Grow up.

00:53:11.055 --> 00:53:14.235
Throw that on a t-shirt. Grow up, dude. If you're sandbagging,

00:53:14.315 --> 00:53:16.815
be better. Fire drinking coffee. Yeah.

00:53:18.855 --> 00:53:23.235
Yeah, I mean, I guess that's the tagline for that one, guys.

00:53:23.475 --> 00:53:26.275
If you're sandbagging, just be better.

00:53:26.675 --> 00:53:32.375
Do better every single time. um big eyes else fighters drinking coffee thank

00:53:32.375 --> 00:53:34.155
you for listening as we um,

00:53:34.793 --> 00:53:39.953
tear down the sandbaggers. Kill them. Like, like cleaning up after a flood.

00:53:40.753 --> 00:53:44.513
Yep. That might be a Louisiana reference that goes over people's heads.

00:53:45.933 --> 00:53:49.053
But, I mean, yeah. Yeah. I don't know. I don't guess.

00:53:49.433 --> 00:53:51.813
Hurricane Katrina or something, dude? Yeah, it's, you know. Did you guys have

00:53:51.813 --> 00:53:53.413
a big influx of sandbaggers coming in?

00:53:53.473 --> 00:53:55.473
I mean, you had an influx of people committing a lot of crimes.

00:53:55.473 --> 00:53:58.973
When there's a lot of water, you have to, you build sandbags. Sandbags.

00:53:59.213 --> 00:54:01.373
True, true, true. To keep the water from going places.

00:54:01.653 --> 00:54:04.373
And then so when the flooding's gone, you have to, pick up the sandbags.

00:54:04.373 --> 00:54:05.853
Yeah, I had to clean them up.

00:54:06.133 --> 00:54:09.053
Oh, okay, okay. Just like when we enforced the sandbaggers off the mat.

00:54:09.073 --> 00:54:10.873
I guess it did go over my head. Yeah.

00:54:11.073 --> 00:54:14.933
All right. You kind of got it, I guess. Okay, there you go.

00:54:15.173 --> 00:54:17.293
But yeah, so that was Fire's Dream Coffee, guys.

00:54:17.573 --> 00:54:19.573
Talking a little bit about sandbagging.

00:54:20.313 --> 00:54:25.433
Why it's silly. It's silly. I mean, it is. It's silly. It's silly.

00:54:25.593 --> 00:54:27.613
It's a bully move. Don't do it.

00:54:28.493 --> 00:54:32.353
But I mean, there's also reverse sandbagging. Just be yourself.

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Hey, just be yourself and act confident.

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It's in a different way, silly. Be yourself and be confident.

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Just be yourself. Honestly, that's the whole world of the story.

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Yeah, really, just be yourself, man. Be yourself.

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Don't put it on the front, dude. Quit acting brand new. Quit fronting.

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Quit fronting. But yeah, guys, that was Fire Drinking Coffee.

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Thank you guys for listening. As always, five stars. Drop some comments in the comment section.

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I don't know if you can write.

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Words with the reviews in the comments no like

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when you do the five star reviews i don't know if you know that's asking

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but you can put a review you just you can type in notes and say like hell

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yeah oh you can okay well that's just a different it probably

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just depends where you're reviewing it we're talking about spotify or

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do the comments do the reviews just do all of it

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just write shit wherever and give us five stars yeah we don't care what it says

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you can literally just quote the episode if you want that's fine too have fun

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have fun with it have fun with it that's that is one of the rules of fighters

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have fun have fun but yeah guys thank you for listening bye.