(Ep 51)The Jiu-Jitsu Fix — Highs, Burnout, and Why We Keep Coming Back

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Welcome back to Fighters Drinking Coffee. My name is Mike, and I'm an addict.

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I'm addicted to jiu-jitsu.

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Hello, Mike. Hi, Mike. Yeah.

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And if you're listening to this, you probably are too.

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So welcome to today's episode of Fighters Drinking Coffee. This is Jiu-Jitsu

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Anonymous, and we're here to talk about the drug that we all love,

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jiu-jitsu, and how it's affecting our lives and why we do it.

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I know like you know AA and stuff it's a serious topic we're not making fun

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of that but I mean more likely than not we all have some level of like.

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Addiction to jiu-jitsu right like i mean

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heck i'm a prime example i quit my job

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to jiu-jitsu right like there's yeah dude

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you know like you're uh there's what's the dave chappelle guy the one

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who uh smokes crack tyrone biggum tyrone biggums yeah you

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are tyrone biggums you know like it definitely um it's

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definitely something that is i mean

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heck people start jiu-jitsu and will go

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to the point of just destroying their bodies within

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like the first year right like guys will get so into

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it that like they go from zero to a hundred and

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they're just like blowing blowing their bodies apart

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and you know like before they're even a blue belt you know

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they don't even some people don't even make it because they just train so damn

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hard um because there's also like an aspect of

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it in this recent snowstorm that blew through

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kind of is why i wanted to talk about um jiu-jitsu

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addiction and like jiu-jitsu is like and it's an

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escape right like a lot of people guys that

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are professionals in other areas guys

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that have careers careers and lives outside of jiu-jitsu like this is a this

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is their way to turn that off for a while yeah um and like obviously this isn't

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it's not as destructive to a life as actual drugs guys like we're not saying

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that Hopefully you all know that.

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It definitely is like exercise, sports, like they are ways for people.

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And in some cases, it's the way that people that have addictive personalities.

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It's kind of their way of not falling into that trap too, right?

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Like if you, if you're, I mean, I go 100% into stuff.

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At least this isn't a productive outlet of that, right? Like this is,

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this is something that's at least not like,

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gonna end up in some sort of, well, you're gonna end up in a pit.

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Yeah. Like I'm not going to kill my liver doing jujitsu. Right.

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At least, you know, not through without catastrophic injury caused by another person.

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Um, you know, so like it's, we're just hooking you guys in here.

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Um, but you know, like that's, it's, it's a thing.

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Like, especially like I was talking to guys, they work from home and they're

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like, dude, like everyone else was home and like, I couldn't do anything.

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And like, I couldn't go to jujitsu and they're like, I just,

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I don't know, it's kind of getting, getting the itch, right?

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Like they, they just need that, that hour a day, that, that one hour that allows

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them to just kind of do something else or shut their brain off and like, just move. Right.

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Um, and you know, it's, it's very real. And like.

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Kind of rolling back on my quitting my job to jujitsu thing

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i did jujitsu as my job before my other

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job uh i just switching career paths again

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um which is the kind of thing an

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addict decision um but you

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know like it's it's definitely

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it's enticing man jujitsu

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draws you in it's fun um you know

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like any sorts of sort of exercise it gets the endorphins running

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it gives you that like that response that

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mental response you get dopamine um and

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you know sometimes just cool just like beat people up

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you know like or get some people like

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getting beat up dude we don't kink shame here it's fine um

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we are equal opportunity here at fighters drinking

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coffee uh but you know like it's definitely the.

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Kind of thing that like people can get into it is especially

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if you compete dude the rush of competition is sometimes

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the driving factor for people too um yeah

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i mean escape from reality people do

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drugs to escape reality and people also

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can do things like jujitsu to accomplish the

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same the same rush or the same goal the

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same mental relief um but

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yeah let's talk about it guys let's talk about it scott what

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do you got for me yeah i'm addicted i'm addicted i mean this is a room for that

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we're really more like pushers we're like pushers well yeah we we definitely

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pushers we're getting high on our own supply that's for sure too we're breaking

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the first rule that's right we are getting high on in supply.

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It, yeah, dude, it's, I mean, it's, there are worse things to be addicted to. Yes, for sure.

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It's, yeah, man, it's, it is, I think you touched upon a good point.

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Like recently with the snowstorm and people being like, crap,

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man, like this is gonna disrupt my training.

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Some people, training's holding them together, man.

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Some people out there are living really stressful, difficult lives,

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like getting that hour or so of martial arts a couple times a week or once a

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day is what keeps them sane.

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And so I think that probably is a positive thing.

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Maybe at some point in this episode we can talk about when it's becoming a problem for people.

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Oh, we definitely should talk about that too. Sure. That also,

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but I think that's probably, if that is the case, that's probably like a user error.

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Like you're using the drug the wrong way. Or too much.

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Or too much. Sometimes it's too much.

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Could be. Could be. Sometimes. Sometimes. Yeah.

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But yeah, it's a positive thing.

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As you said, I think there are countless stories of folks who have had like

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destructive lifestyle tendencies who get into this. and then whatever that predilection

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for having, I guess it's an addictive personality, I suppose.

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People really get into this and they have whatever habit it is for like adhering

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to a thing that drives someone to go all in on jujitsu.

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Probably mostly positive for people who are coming down in this scenario,

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that path of like destructive lifestyle into like, I would argue constructive

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lifestyle, even if done in a semi-addictive fashion,

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pulls those people out of like drugs or alcohol or whatever and gets them into like,

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obsessing over the martial art and obsessing obsession can be

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a problem for some people for some people obsession for you i'm

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for a lot of high performers you better believe they're they're obsessed with

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what they do so like there's there's positive outcomes for people who become

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quote-unquote obsessed but let's just use this scenario still like if you're

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at least if you're shifting your life from like compulsively destroying your

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body with like bad food bad drugs bad you know alcohol intake or whatever it

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may be over to like all right like i'm gonna shift this.

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Impulse for like obsessing over thing over to like exercise it's

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maybe that's a temporary thing we're not psychologists i don't

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know but it's it's definitely better than being addicted

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to drugs and alcohol i'll put it that way you mean you may actually like

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made kind of a i just want a tangent on a

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point you made about um about high

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performers right and you actually see that

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in i'm not you know i'm not like a psychologist

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or anything like that we are psychologists i have a friend

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who is though we should bring him on about it at some point yeah um analyzers

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yeah analysis um but

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there's definitely something with what you said there about

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like high performers and addictive personalities um

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and i think because i

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mean you see this with uh athletes a

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lot of high high level athletes after their athletic

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career where like they have these crazy spirals and

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i mean there's definitely there's definitely

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something there where like you know these guys go into

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like crazy drug spirals or you know alcohol.

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Drugs or other things where like

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maybe they're trying to replace i you know i'm obviously stepping

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outside of bounds here but like i can understand how

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that's like you're trying to kind of replace something

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and i mean i guess i took a break from jujitsu for

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a while and like yeah there's i've talked about this when i've

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been guests on episodes and like on podcasts and

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they're like oh well like what brought you back i don't know i think there was something missing you

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know like you you feel that and like maybe that's a

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part of it right that why these people go into these like

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destructive spirals is maybe there's just like they're trying to fill that gap

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and because they can't do that anymore or they're not doing that and like you

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just don't know i don't know um so i don't know i think there was something

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there with that like that yeah these addictive personalities tend to lend themselves

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I think it's important to state that,

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but if I may, there's a lot that we can talk about with what you just said.

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But anyways, I think it's, um, and like, dude, again, we just talked to Nakapan.

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We go, he's like, he's, I don't know if he is 45.

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He said he was in the over 45 category, but like, all right,

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a guy like in his 40s who is still continually pushing himself and is like fully

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dedicated. He's obsessed too.

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He's addicted for sure. I'm speaking on his behalf. Oh, he's addicted.

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We know this. Yeah, yeah. He would, he would say that.

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Bro was looking, bro, bro wasn't getting the high from, from the jujitsu anymore.

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He had to find new things. Well, I mean, I think, but that's,

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that's, that's, he's going down, branching out. He's going so deep in the martial

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arts thing in a good way that I bring him up because I'm like,

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he's still doing it, right?

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After all these years, he said he'd been training for 30 years, which is awesome.

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And he's still going all in on a professional athlete, and a business owner

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as well, but a pro athlete journey of training for performance,

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crafting his lifestyle around getting the most out of his body and his mind, for that matter,

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to be the best possible martial artist he can be i think that's an awesome thing

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dude i mean i think that's like in my opinion like he's like a role model in

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that regard and um i think you know speaking for myself.

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There's a like i like a

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lifestyle built around prioritizing athleticism um

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strength conditioning like there's i take pride

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in in that and i enjoy it a lot so

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like if it wasn't for jiu-jitsu i definitely i don't think i'd be doing that

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um so i i i love cultivating my my life around like peak performance and um

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and just it means a lot to me personally and i'm sure it does for you as well

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i think probably a lot of people who uh.

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Have chosen this path would, would resonate with that as well.

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Um, just as like the habits, man, just like the habits like this, I prefer that.

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I prefer this. I've, I've told like 50 dudes recently about how much I'm,

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I've, I've enjoyed using this freaking whoop thing on my wrist.

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Now shout out to a scene convincing me to get it.

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And to Daniel who also convinced me to get it. But, um, for me,

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like I've the big thing with the whoop and it's just kind of my way of getting back to this,

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like lifestyle comment that works for me insofar as

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like being obsessed with like lifestyle built around like being good at

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jiu-jitsu but uh it's gotten my sleep

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dialed it like it has this cool shout out to whoop guys

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we're gonna try to get sponsored by them um i

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might actually wear one if they sponsor us dude you should they should wear

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one before they sponsor us they give me a free it'll

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be a good pitch man if we tell them like hey we know your product really well we

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can speak to it intelligently because we're super users already michael

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okay food for thought i want i want the uh i

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want the free you just want to give you shit dude come on i'll talk about it

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i just want the you need to be you need to be wooed um woo

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me yeah i could go for some wood um anyways

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but like but the thing with the whoop that i like is like it has you fill out

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this like questionnaire every day when you wake up has like a journal feature

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where it asks you about like all your habits from the day before so that you

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can analyze the patterns of like your daily habits like when you stop drinking

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caffeine if you take nicotine if you smoke some drugs and i before so seriously like Like all that shit,

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and then it'll like tell you like, oh, like you have been reaching higher levels

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of sleep quality because you stopped drinking caffeine.

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Before noon, just as an example, right? It gives you these patterns.

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And so it's kinda got my eyes open. For me, it's like screen time.

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Like I'm just putting my phone down and I'm noticing much better sleep. But like, dude, I like.

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I have chosen to care about my lifestyle insofar as how it cultivates and leans

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towards better athletic performance rather than a lifestyle that's built around

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like cheap dopamine hits from social media or like going to the bar to get hammered.

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When I think we, cause I've done that stuff, you know, well,

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as I say, we've talked about that.

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Like when we talk about, um, that, like when we were talking about like the,

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the crew and doing those super early Saturday morning training,

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not super early, but I love that.

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Yeah. we've talked about you i mean you talked about how it keeps you how that

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like you had said that that keeps you out of like trouble on friday night because

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you're like i need to wake up early and do this and like that's i mean that's

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kind of what i was getting at too is like this other thing is,

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overtaking your other propensity to like yeah to do other to do self-destructive

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habits right hey man they might be completely self-destructive but but absolutely

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yes yeah well you know what i I mean, like, potentially self-destructive habits.

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I'm not saying I have a problem if I don't do these things, but,

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like, yeah, it keeps me out of trouble. But if it's available.

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Yeah, dude. Yes, yeah, we're having fun.

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I mean, Jiu-Jitsu had me more or less stop drinking because it's like I got

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to get up early every day. That's the other thing about the whoop, dude.

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When I drink, I don't drink very much, but if I have a drink or two,

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like, it does impact my sleep.

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And so, like, dude, I wasn't drinking much to begin with before I got the whoop,

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but, like, with the whoop, I'm drinking even less.

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And yeah, bro, like it's, this is good stuff. This is like, I think positive

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outcomes from, and this is kind of a weird derivative tangent from the,

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like if someone was literally addicted to like damaging substances or like just

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bad lifestyle habits, like getting into something like this,

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if it's pulling you towards maybe some of these traits that we're discussing

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that we embody that we really like.

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And if it's getting someone to do this type of shit, man, like I always kind

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of like, we've, I've probably mentioned this countless times on the show,

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but it's like, if there's like a regular casual dude who signs up for jujitsu

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and he's got a corporate gig.

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Good job or whatever. And like the, the culture that he's involved in with like

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other regular folks is like happy hours, Monday through Thursday and,

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uh, two or three drinks, a happy hour, you know, maybe a big picture.

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Maybe that's not like a terrible thing.

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Like, I don't know. I'm not a doctor. I don't know if I, I would imagine two

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or three. Socializing is pretty good for you.

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Socializing is good for you for sure. That's one thing I will say that I don't

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do a ton of socializing these days. Cause I'm probably because of my obsession.

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That's another big jujitsu anonymous thing we can talk about here in a little

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bit. If it does take a negative spiral, but I'm an extreme case of jiu-jitsu addiction.

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And in any case, yes, you're right, socializing's good.

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But let's say that regular dude, white belt, who signs up for jiu-jitsu,

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within six months, he's like, yeah, I've decreased my happy hour,

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my hours of happy hour, and two to three drinks a night, down to one or zero

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days a week, or once every other week, or something like that.

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Because he wants to go to train a little bit more, and he wants to go to a few

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more classes. I got really into this.

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Kimura trap that mike teaches i'm like fuck man like i don't i

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care a little bit more about being good at that than i do about having a buzz at

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7 p.m on a wednesday yeah that's a good thing

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oh well you know i could go to happy hour

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and have a couple of drinks maybe i'll just go to happy hour and maybe they

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have one drink maybe have one maybe they don't go zero right away maybe i don't

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get the chicken wings and the cheese fries because like mike was just telling

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mike the same guy who was teaching me about the kimura trap was telling me about

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how he eats steak or something like maybe i'll cook a little dinner over like

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you know i miss instruction because I have to take a shit in the middle of class

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because of these cheese fries, bro. I hurt my tummy from the night before.

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I gotta dump out. I wanna dump on the mat. I wanna dump in the toilet like a civilized person.

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It might not be that they're doing things necessarily for like,

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specifically for health, right?

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But you start making decisions. Performance decisions, perhaps.

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Because you're like, oh, you know, I just do better at class or I'm able to

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pay attention more if I don't do these things.

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We're justifying our addiction right now. Yeah, I know, like it's good. But kind of on this,

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that's the kind of thing an addict would do dude um but

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kind of like on the the one of

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the things that uh one of i guess one of the cliches of

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jujitsu right the jujitsu saved my

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life right that's a that's a thing that people talk

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about and uh people like to foo-foo this like i it's definitely there's use

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cases for this dude big time um there's plenty of people that like jujitsu kiss

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them to stop using like opioids or abusing opioids like I've heard you've heard

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stories about this you might you probably even know people that like,

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they've made major life changes because of jiu-jitsu or another thing.

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It doesn't have to be like other sports or whatever, but like CrossFit or whatever,

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because they're like, you know what?

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Going to this every day is what maybe is, you know, it's just fulfilling.

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Fulfilling that need, but also like, Hey, it's more important for me to show

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up to this than it is for me to, you know, drink, drink on a Monday or,

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you know, whatever other thing I can't get forward.

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Point taken but you know like i know exactly what you're saying you

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find that thing and sometimes that's the thing people need and like

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i know this might you know some people might be

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like oh well they should just do it for the family sometimes people can't

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you know sometimes it's the replacement is the

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important like that's what gets them to stop i mean they talk about this all

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the time like it's a big part of aa is

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like you can't just replace the drug with another drug that doesn't

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that's not um sometimes like sometimes you have to replace it with something

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you got to fill that mental void otherwise that leaves a lot of stuff open but

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taking it and replacing it with something that can be constructive or productive

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might be better and so like it definitely the the jujitsu.

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A very real thing. I have a friend, a mutual, actually a mutual friend of ours

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whose wife is a psychologist and she's a big supporter, in this case of our

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buddy who practices and she's like,

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it's cool to see because like he's obsessed with Jiu-Jitsu like us and his wife

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totally supports the Jiu-Jitsu obsession.

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She knows him and she's like, this dude, he's also like a maniac.

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She's like, this guy needs to fight.

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She supports her husband's impulses for constructive, violent practices and

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tendencies, which is awesome.

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So it's cool to see but she's talked about how she's like she's worked

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professionally with people who like have been in

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a struggle like what you're describing who she's encouraged

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them to do she's like yo this is like i know what it can do for like in this

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case maybe like let's say men in this example but she's like yo i think it's

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it's such a good vehicle for what you're describing to get uh people rerouted

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onto a positive path it's it's i mean to us it's probably a no-brainer Well, and I think,

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I think, um, I mean, this is, you know,

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potentially a little heavier than a tent intended, but I don't mind it.

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Um, I mean, there's some, for some people now that we're going down this,

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like jujitsu saved my life train. Right.

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Uh, I know I opened up the doors to this, but, um, be like sometimes some people

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don't, you know, like that, that concept of a, the 12 steps,

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all of that isn't necessarily for them.

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Um because there's other intricacies involved

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with like the inner workings of

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that and you know some people like that's just not their thing um but you get

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a similar you know get a group of people with a shared goal and shared we talked

00:20:05.388 --> 00:20:14.508
about this on the cult episode shared goals shared interests um and like you have this.

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It's a built-in support system at that point right

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like and obviously you can have the support system at home but

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not everybody has that has that you have people that are you

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know you have people that are single and like that's they don't have other people

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or you know whatever their family situation might be and so like you you're

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creating a group of people with shared interests and um you know it's that's

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a good thing for people to have um and i mean this comes to mind because uh,

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if you watched the ufc 324 324 the

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one that was just up like patty pimple was talking about men killing

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themselves um and like that's a big thing because men

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feel like they can't talk to people uh as i

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said this is getting probably getting heavier than intended whatever go but

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you know so like you have this group of and a lot of times jujitsu gyms are

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predominantly male so you have this group of men that are doing the same thing

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and they feel like they can talk to each other and like you know just that that

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support group can be effective and useful and helpful so um.

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You know, like, so I see, I, I, I'm picking up what your friend's wife is putting down there.

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There's definitely benefits outside of just like dopamine hits. Right.

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Um, the, uh, for this jujitsu addiction we're referring to, like it's,

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there's definitely a broader thing outside of just like getting a fix of,

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um, you know, mental and physical stimulation.

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So, well, it's interesting, right? Like for me, just personally, like, I don't really,

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I don't know if I get like a dopamine hit from jiu-jitsu um i'd

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be curious to hear some listener feedback in the comments or

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in discord about this like what the their feelings or

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sensations are before during and after jiu-jitsu but

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i imagine there's that like endorphin that runner's high situation right

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sometimes i get that i don't know the exact uh mental chemistry

00:22:04.799 --> 00:22:08.279
me either but i'm just curious to hear what other people get out of it um but

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i think if i may because i hear this a lot from people and

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sometimes thank you sometimes um sometimes i

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experience this too um sometimes i

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don't but there are people who talk about how like it's when

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they go and they train it's like in that moment in that

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you know 30 55 minute you

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know hour and a half or whatever the time that they're on the mat like that's just they're locked

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in that's what they're doing and so like

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if you have a bunch of stuff racing through your head from life family whatever

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like stresses or you know fill in the blank um while you're training you almost

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like can't like if someone's trying to like you know twist your arm or like

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smush you and mount like that's all you can think about for that moment um and

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therefore like you just kind of like your mind shuts off like you said it's

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there's just it's a it's a.

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Perhaps you can call it a distraction. It's kind of a mental break from the

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myriad things life will throw at you that will put you through,

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um, a negative stress. And so it gives you that like pause to just give your

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mind a break that I can resonate to a little bit.

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Um, although sometimes I'm on the mat and my mind still runs, but that's just my mind.

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Yeah. And sometimes that's, that's tough to overcome. I've seen people that

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they were like, Hey man, like I just, I can't turn it off today. So I need to step out.

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Like, and so what you're saying about that, like, that's true.

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Like Sometimes they show up because they want to turn that off and it just won't.

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And so they're like, I just can't. It's beyond the point of being able to focus on jiu-jitsu too.

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Well, in those instances, if that's the case, if I'm in that situation,

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I try to do it anyways. I do do it anyways. I don't think I've ever... Whoa. Whoa, dude.

00:23:37.491 --> 00:23:41.591
Settle down. I know, I'm so emotional. Trying to rip this mic off the brand

00:23:41.591 --> 00:23:45.271
new booms. That boom would have hit you right in the face too if that mic fell off.

00:23:46.711 --> 00:23:50.151
Yeah, true. Yeah, I don't like that. That would have felt good. I would have been tough.

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I would have been, yeah, I would have put me over the edge. But anyways.

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Scott's been knocked out. Yeah.

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It's, yeah, yeah. I think you should show up and do it anyways,

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in my opinion, in those instances. But whatever, whatever works for other people.

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But I was just trying to make the point of like, to me, I treat it like a,

00:24:08.411 --> 00:24:09.251
it's like a discipline thing.

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It's like a, it is a job for me, a job that I love and I take seriously.

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So it's like a privilege to be able to get to do it as often as I do it and

00:24:17.651 --> 00:24:19.071
as seriously as I want to do it.

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And so, I appreciate that, so good, bad, ugly, however I'm feeling, I'm gonna go do it.

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And that has value to me, personally.

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Maybe most people listening aren't in that position, but that's okay,

00:24:34.191 --> 00:24:40.471
and so whatever it does, whatever hit, whatever satisfaction you get out of it.

00:24:41.938 --> 00:24:46.178
It's beneficial, in my opinion, regardless. I'm always glad I did it.

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I'm moving this thing. There we go.

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I'm always glad that I got my training in, even if I didn't feel great during

00:24:51.478 --> 00:24:53.698
it before, or quite frankly, even afterwards.

00:24:53.938 --> 00:24:57.058
I'm just barring situations where I've injured myself.

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But yeah, I'm always better off having trained.

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Yeah, I mean, I agree with that.

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But I also see the other side, where it's just like sometimes it's just tough to even get out of,

00:25:11.378 --> 00:25:14.278
you know sometimes just feel like you have to go deal with whatever that other thing is

00:25:14.278 --> 00:25:17.098
and sometimes that other thing is jujitsu right

00:25:17.098 --> 00:25:20.398
like all you can think about i really got to troubleshoot this

00:25:20.398 --> 00:25:23.518
this thing that i've been dealing with in

00:25:23.518 --> 00:25:26.378
my roles um and sometimes

00:25:26.378 --> 00:25:29.198
you can't focus on other things you know like just kind of to

00:25:29.198 --> 00:25:33.238
contra the the thing here right might be a good segue all you can think about

00:25:33.238 --> 00:25:37.618
is like i'm just you know man i've been really struggling with this like one

00:25:37.618 --> 00:25:44.918
this one like uh to use a cla term this one dilemma in uh that i've been dealing

00:25:44.918 --> 00:25:46.738
with in my roles like i just can't,

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I just can't get past that. And like, no matter what, someone's talking to you,

00:25:50.961 --> 00:25:52.401
you're just like, man, like how?

00:25:53.001 --> 00:25:56.501
Man, my leg's here and their leg's there. Like, how the fuck?

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And people are like, Michael, what are you?

00:25:58.661 --> 00:26:02.601
Where are you, bro? You can only talk about Octopus Guard 24-7.

00:26:02.701 --> 00:26:04.281
Yeah, you might be a little too addicted. Yeah.

00:26:04.661 --> 00:26:07.801
Okay, good. Like you said, good pivot over to the other side of things.

00:26:07.861 --> 00:26:12.081
Yeah, I mean, like your life, there's two people who are dedicated to this.

00:26:13.221 --> 00:26:16.101
Some balance is a good thing. I like, I always,

00:26:16.181 --> 00:26:18.641
I've told this on the show, bunch of times and i tell a lot of people which

00:26:18.641 --> 00:26:23.161
is like i enjoy when i'm not on the mat when i'm off the mat maybe at home like

00:26:23.161 --> 00:26:27.881
i'd rather watch wrestling i'd rather watch like olympic international wrestling

00:26:27.881 --> 00:26:31.841
just like for entertainment slash i also it fascinates me like skill development

00:26:31.841 --> 00:26:35.121
wise but like just to have like a mental break sometimes from jiu-jitsu because

00:26:35.121 --> 00:26:36.121
i'm so immersed in it like

00:26:36.541 --> 00:26:39.821
i'm gonna get drawn into the lore on instagram i'm gonna watch clips i'm gonna

00:26:39.821 --> 00:26:42.541
watch tutorials i'm gonna watch videos i'm gonna watch matches like it's gonna

00:26:42.541 --> 00:26:47.001
happen but um i kind of like the break from it while still staying in the combat

00:26:47.001 --> 00:26:50.541
sports world like i said i find watching kyle dake.

00:26:51.801 --> 00:26:54.561
Watching jordan burroughs watching whoever a bunch of

00:26:54.561 --> 00:26:57.341
american dudes hell yeah go america but like just like watching like high

00:26:57.341 --> 00:27:00.101
level wrestlers like dude this will be like i don't know it's like it's like

00:27:00.101 --> 00:27:03.181
it's still in the realm of grappling for me so it's like yeah i feel like i'm

00:27:03.181 --> 00:27:07.541
kind of getting some like knowledge out of it as well i'm like i'm i'm um seeing

00:27:07.541 --> 00:27:12.721
truly elite athletes do their thing and like while i'll never be as good at

00:27:12.721 --> 00:27:14.641
wrestling as those dudes like i'm like i like to

00:27:15.001 --> 00:27:18.081
study them and say like what does kyle dake do really well how do these guys

00:27:18.081 --> 00:27:21.821
hand fight like i can discern some things from it so it's productive is what

00:27:21.821 --> 00:27:24.301
i'm saying but it's still kind of a break for me from jiu-jitsu i think that's

00:27:24.301 --> 00:27:26.941
what i'm trying to get to which is that um,

00:27:27.805 --> 00:27:30.365
constantly obsessing over as an octopus guard i was

00:27:30.365 --> 00:27:33.205
just picking a thing i mean it's the hot thing right now so it's

00:27:33.205 --> 00:27:36.305
yeah dude you know some of us are doing octopus everyone's obsessed

00:27:36.305 --> 00:27:39.105
yeah it was cool but you know whatever um but just

00:27:39.105 --> 00:27:43.545
yeah whatever i'm just joking i i picked a thing um you might you might if you're

00:27:43.545 --> 00:27:46.885
listening to this it might behoove you to like not talk about jiu-jitsu for

00:27:46.885 --> 00:27:50.365
a few minutes or not think about it for a few minutes if you're so in deep i

00:27:50.365 --> 00:27:54.945
think it's part of the in my i have always like kind of in i don't want to say

00:27:54.945 --> 00:27:56.305
encouraged but like welcomed.

00:27:57.285 --> 00:28:00.565
Um placated people who've become obsessed with

00:28:00.565 --> 00:28:03.445
it because i kind of think ultimately like high level the path that person's on

00:28:03.445 --> 00:28:06.565
it's like a good thing so i don't like talk to me not in or out of it i don't

00:28:06.565 --> 00:28:09.425
push them too too much on it more i'll kind of like meet them where they're

00:28:09.425 --> 00:28:11.945
at and talk to them about like if someone's like it'll happen a lot of times

00:28:11.945 --> 00:28:14.685
and i'll be like after a class like a blue belt will come over and like ask

00:28:14.685 --> 00:28:19.005
me questions about stuff just to keep talking about jiu-jitsu which is cool

00:28:19.005 --> 00:28:22.445
like i'll i'll take debate i'll talk to him about it too and i'm like all right this guy's so huge.

00:28:23.412 --> 00:28:26.492
It's pretty cool but also like i can tell them to like chill a little bit but

00:28:26.492 --> 00:28:29.472
also like why not man like i have some fun with it dude like the it'll cool

00:28:29.472 --> 00:28:30.872
off eventually because i think we all

00:28:31.312 --> 00:28:34.172
seem that we're not maybe maybe we can maybe we can't touch on the burnout

00:28:34.172 --> 00:28:37.532
thing um not now but like so eventually

00:28:37.532 --> 00:28:40.372
these guys will get kind of burnt down on that yeah burning the camel from both ends

00:28:40.372 --> 00:28:43.092
on this whole jiu-jitsu thing it'll get to where like and i think this is

00:28:43.092 --> 00:28:45.892
maybe the other end of the spectrum for this episode too when it comes to

00:28:45.892 --> 00:28:49.052
like obsession and addiction like it can become too much yeah

00:28:49.052 --> 00:28:52.452
it's probably a follow-up to this one it is but there's

00:28:52.452 --> 00:28:55.572
there's a whole different uh that's a whole different

00:28:55.572 --> 00:28:58.612
like journey of yeah that's that's

00:28:58.612 --> 00:29:01.392
the whole next level aren't doing that much but but nonetheless

00:29:01.392 --> 00:29:04.272
burnout's a relative thing for whoever but all i'm saying

00:29:04.272 --> 00:29:07.052
is like that that obsession will kind

00:29:07.052 --> 00:29:10.252
of level out eventually that person hopefully fingers crossed will just find

00:29:10.252 --> 00:29:14.512
that right long-term sustainable like balance of where jiu-jitsu belongs in

00:29:14.512 --> 00:29:18.032
their life insofar as like stuff they do in their free time stuff they do on

00:29:18.032 --> 00:29:21.292
the mat how often they're on the mat like you know do they drone to their wife

00:29:21.292 --> 00:29:24.832
or their girlfriend constantly about jiu-jitsu And then she's like, what the hell?

00:29:24.832 --> 00:29:26.932
She's like, I have no idea what you're talking about. It was cool for the first

00:29:26.932 --> 00:29:29.072
couple of dates, but now it's getting annoying now.

00:29:29.252 --> 00:29:32.692
She's like, I don't. Can we talk about something else? Maybe she wants to talk for me.

00:29:33.092 --> 00:29:35.192
She's like, I don't want to talk about Tide and Dauper, dude.

00:29:35.272 --> 00:29:37.132
I don't even know who the fuck that is. Yeah, exactly.

00:29:37.552 --> 00:29:40.532
So like, you'll level set eventually. What's a worm guard, bro?

00:29:42.112 --> 00:29:47.692
So I think, so obviously we're an extreme use case because, I mean,

00:29:47.772 --> 00:29:53.252
this is a career for us, right? Like, so for us, that's the job.

00:29:53.492 --> 00:29:56.112
It's like, this is a little bit, it's a little different. We're,

00:29:56.232 --> 00:30:01.112
it's a little different for us because like jujitsu is our, our, our job.

00:30:01.292 --> 00:30:03.432
Right. Whereas for some people it's their escape. And so.

00:30:04.345 --> 00:30:07.145
Us jujitsu isn't the break so like

00:30:07.145 --> 00:30:09.885
our free time isn't jujitsu whereas for some of these

00:30:09.885 --> 00:30:12.605
other people especially i mean people ask me like oh

00:30:12.605 --> 00:30:15.945
like what instructionals do you like to watch i don't watch instructionals like

00:30:15.945 --> 00:30:19.485
when i'm not like i live instructionals bro

00:30:19.485 --> 00:30:23.185
i train you know i'm i'm doing jujitsu

00:30:23.185 --> 00:30:26.045
stuff six to eight hours a day like i

00:30:26.045 --> 00:30:28.845
i don't go home and i well i

00:30:28.845 --> 00:30:31.685
shouldn't could be going you know i need to find other things

00:30:31.685 --> 00:30:34.745
to do i get it uh and sometimes it's hard like

00:30:34.745 --> 00:30:38.025
sometimes it's hard to flip that switch because like i like.

00:30:38.025 --> 00:30:41.225
I said earlier i yeah i love it i go full ass

00:30:41.225 --> 00:30:44.465
into stuff right so um sometimes it's

00:30:44.465 --> 00:30:47.785
hard to flip that switch but that being

00:30:47.785 --> 00:30:50.565
said like it's probably good to flip the switch it's good to flip the

00:30:50.565 --> 00:30:53.785
switch like i i have i find other free

00:30:53.785 --> 00:30:56.745
time outlets like i'm a fucking nerd dude

00:30:56.745 --> 00:31:00.365
i try to i play video games i there you go watch stupid

00:31:00.365 --> 00:31:03.325
movies i watch star wars i love star

00:31:03.325 --> 00:31:05.945
wars um you know i'll watch fuck dude i like to

00:31:05.945 --> 00:31:09.085
watch kids shows with my kids like something that's not

00:31:09.085 --> 00:31:12.345
like i like doing things that are not jujitsu in

00:31:12.345 --> 00:31:15.245
my off time um i don't mind you

00:31:15.245 --> 00:31:19.025
know sprinkling in jujitsu extracurriculars

00:31:19.025 --> 00:31:21.885
right but like you know we consume a lot

00:31:21.885 --> 00:31:27.725
of jujitsu and so like jujitsu consumption is not a break for me than it might

00:31:27.725 --> 00:31:31.205
be for other people that's right right that is an important distinction and

00:31:31.205 --> 00:31:37.045
so like there's there's a slight difference and you know with with that um where

00:31:37.045 --> 00:31:39.465
like for some people it is their escape.

00:31:40.444 --> 00:31:43.504
And there's a little bit of a different thing there. Whereas for us,

00:31:43.604 --> 00:31:47.724
like jujitsu is not necessarily the same type of, it's obviously still some

00:31:47.724 --> 00:31:51.864
sort of escape from reality and, you know, maybe living a little bit of a childhood

00:31:51.864 --> 00:31:55.484
dreamland because we get to do it a lot, right? I get what you're saying for sure.

00:31:56.024 --> 00:32:01.404
But, you know, there's an escape from the escape for those that do a lot of jujitsu.

00:32:01.524 --> 00:32:04.584
It's kind of a career style. Like you said, maybe the guy

00:32:04.584 --> 00:32:07.524
who's coming at you and asking all these questions is the cpa and

00:32:07.524 --> 00:32:10.704
like he's been doing cpa stuff all day crunching numbers

00:32:10.704 --> 00:32:13.384
he's tired of it maybe he kind of likes it too probably you

00:32:13.384 --> 00:32:16.684
probably get that nerd talking about numbers and shit for a long time and tax brackets

00:32:16.684 --> 00:32:20.624
and shit but when that guy gets off the clock and he's like fuck yeah i'm gonna

00:32:20.624 --> 00:32:24.104
go do some jiu-jitsu this is so fun and like he's been waiting to look at instagram

00:32:24.104 --> 00:32:29.444
to get like the the tutorial that his buddy sent him over you know the the dms

00:32:29.444 --> 00:32:33.404
and he's like tutorial and then he gets you for like 10 minutes before after

00:32:33.404 --> 00:32:36.064
class he's like finally talk to mike about I've been thinking about this all day.

00:32:36.364 --> 00:32:39.004
I've had this question. Which is great, dude.

00:32:39.644 --> 00:32:42.444
That's why I never turn those guys away. I love that stuff. I know a lot of

00:32:42.444 --> 00:32:47.484
guys that I train with listen to this. I'm not saying don't talk to me about jiu-jitsu.

00:32:47.724 --> 00:32:51.844
I'm just saying that the things I do in my free time aren't necessarily those

00:32:51.844 --> 00:32:52.704
things. Yeah, it's no problem.

00:32:52.884 --> 00:32:55.964
I like talking about jiu-jitsu with you. Don't worry.

00:32:56.244 --> 00:32:59.604
Keep talking about it. I am more than happy to talk about jiu-jitsu with you.

00:32:59.684 --> 00:33:04.164
I like it. But you're, you know, you're keeping me in my addiction.

00:33:04.964 --> 00:33:09.144
You're feeling my addiction. You addict. You can only do this.

00:33:09.204 --> 00:33:11.684
I should only do this stuff so many hours in the day.

00:33:12.364 --> 00:33:14.944
God bless my wife for, you know, putting up with me.

00:33:16.484 --> 00:33:23.964
For putting up with this monster. But yeah, I mean, like, other things on this,

00:33:23.984 --> 00:33:27.304
like, escape from reality, right? I'm pulling up my notes.

00:33:27.604 --> 00:33:33.624
Sorry. Okay. Um, but other things on this, like escape from reality and how, um.

00:33:35.232 --> 00:33:37.892
Like we kind of do

00:33:37.892 --> 00:33:40.712
this when we talk about things on that on the show right like

00:33:40.712 --> 00:33:43.612
we've likened it to star wars we've like

00:33:43.612 --> 00:33:48.012
there's this almost like thing

00:33:48.012 --> 00:33:51.572
about the sport that like there's like

00:33:51.572 --> 00:33:56.932
a mystical aspect this like you got you know this like force thing whatever

00:33:56.932 --> 00:34:01.072
right that like people feel like they're kind of tapping into these guys get

00:34:01.072 --> 00:34:05.912
into this mindset of like oh i'm a ronin i'm a samurai i'm a warrior right like

00:34:05.912 --> 00:34:08.332
there's like almost like a some sort of.

00:34:09.412 --> 00:34:12.632
Fantastical desire like ideology that people

00:34:12.632 --> 00:34:15.472
get to tap into by doing jujitsu as well that

00:34:15.472 --> 00:34:18.552
like is scratching that itch that's um you know

00:34:18.552 --> 00:34:22.192
like so i think there's also an aspect of that that like i don't

00:34:22.192 --> 00:34:25.792
have to be you know johnny the

00:34:25.792 --> 00:34:28.752
accountant for this next hour i get to be

00:34:28.752 --> 00:34:32.532
you know warrior this matt bully

00:34:32.532 --> 00:34:35.192
yeah dude you know i get to be the guy i know what you're

00:34:35.192 --> 00:34:39.212
saying people up um i think people like yeah um

00:34:39.212 --> 00:34:43.032
there are a lot of people who uh people

00:34:43.032 --> 00:34:51.592
want to have a purpose in life and uh there's probably a lot of folks who don't

00:34:51.592 --> 00:34:55.252
think that and i'm not i'm not throwing stones at anybody like we all have people

00:34:55.252 --> 00:34:59.472
we live in a society people have to perform roles and societies require people

00:34:59.472 --> 00:35:01.192
performing rules. Yeah, it's good.

00:35:01.672 --> 00:35:04.492
Do your job. Yeah, please. We're not telling you to quit your job. Please do your job.

00:35:04.732 --> 00:35:08.112
Don't quit your job. Let's just say that guy that's a CPA, maybe he was like, fuck, dude.

00:35:08.212 --> 00:35:10.932
I don't feel like this isn't the most fulfilling thing for me,

00:35:10.952 --> 00:35:13.872
but it gets the job done. It pays for the bills. It takes care of my family.

00:35:14.012 --> 00:35:16.412
I like what I'm doing. I accept that I am a CPA. I really like it,

00:35:16.432 --> 00:35:17.492
but I think there's a lot of...

00:35:18.614 --> 00:35:21.134
Men or women, but we'll talk about dudes for sure. We're both dudes.

00:35:21.334 --> 00:35:26.074
So I think there's like a, like a, like a warrior framework that we have.

00:35:26.214 --> 00:35:27.554
No, I mean, yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:35:27.794 --> 00:35:33.294
We, we can't necessarily, I can't undo this. I can't talk, I can't talk from a woman's perspective.

00:35:33.534 --> 00:35:37.074
Right. As much as I would love to give you that perspective. I'm unable to. Right.

00:35:37.374 --> 00:35:40.294
Uh, but, but like you said, like for, for, I think a lot of dudes like have

00:35:40.294 --> 00:35:42.154
like an archetypal desire to be a.

00:35:42.902 --> 00:35:46.022
A warrior i mean we all wanted to be superheroes and

00:35:46.022 --> 00:35:49.342
luke skywalker knights and yeah like

00:35:49.342 --> 00:35:52.722
we wanted to be those things when we were kids i wanted to be

00:35:52.722 --> 00:35:55.502
luke skywalker you know that's actually another point of it like you

00:35:55.502 --> 00:35:58.262
get to kind of be a kid for a little bit

00:35:58.262 --> 00:36:01.322
right like dude it's there's a level of that you get to do

00:36:01.322 --> 00:36:04.522
kid shit for a while and like being kid was fucking awesome

00:36:04.522 --> 00:36:07.222
dude well i think you hit upon a cool point dude there which is

00:36:07.222 --> 00:36:10.362
like these guys are like yo man i get to practice like combat for

00:36:10.362 --> 00:36:13.182
an hour which is fucking awesome there's i mean it's not there's no

00:36:13.182 --> 00:36:16.062
secret as to why people really like it i mean it's a no-brainer in my

00:36:16.062 --> 00:36:18.942
opinion right it's it is uh yeah you get

00:36:18.942 --> 00:36:21.582
to like take that hour or whatever and like if you

00:36:21.582 --> 00:36:24.402
really like you're like i'm gonna tournament like i'm actually gonna be a

00:36:24.402 --> 00:36:27.142
fighter right like cool like i've got a

00:36:27.142 --> 00:36:30.082
fight like coming up like this is fucking badass like

00:36:30.082 --> 00:36:33.242
this is like like yes it's addictive like yeah how could

00:36:33.242 --> 00:36:36.582
it how could i i mean i take to that shit just as

00:36:36.582 --> 00:36:39.382
much as anyone listening who's who's kind of not in their head or you for

00:36:39.382 --> 00:36:42.682
that matter uh take to it but yeah man

00:36:42.682 --> 00:36:45.582
like you you get to do this really exciting fun thing

00:36:45.582 --> 00:36:48.862
like you you mentioned earlier about like uh athletes who

00:36:48.862 --> 00:36:51.782
after their careers end like i think there's like a rush that people

00:36:51.782 --> 00:36:54.882
get from this lifestyle um like the

00:36:54.882 --> 00:36:57.802
just to feel just to feel something my god i just want to feel things

00:36:57.802 --> 00:37:00.562
i need to feel things again yeah i mean like going

00:37:00.562 --> 00:37:04.562
and being extremely nervous like um and

00:37:04.562 --> 00:37:07.582
feeling all the emotions before during or after like a world championship

00:37:07.582 --> 00:37:10.782
in jiu-jitsu um is like.

00:37:10.782 --> 00:37:15.062
It's that's a tough act to follow but you know like experientially.

00:37:15.062 --> 00:37:18.342
There's a trend there's like a what you know those instagram real

00:37:18.342 --> 00:37:22.782
trends where it's like it's hard to go from this to that i haven't seen those.

00:37:22.782 --> 00:37:27.382
Trends so it'll be like it's like the you know show them like competing or it'll

00:37:27.382 --> 00:37:31.922
show somebody rocking out on stage and then it shows them like on monday where

00:37:31.922 --> 00:37:35.082
they're just chilling doing nothing and it's like that like.

00:37:35.800 --> 00:37:39.180
We're going to go all the way up to the top and we're going to be at like the

00:37:39.180 --> 00:37:43.980
peak mental, like everything's going, emotions are cranking.

00:37:44.140 --> 00:37:49.320
You get like the rush of winning or you get like the, that like mental or emotional

00:37:49.320 --> 00:37:52.900
extreme of losing or whatever. Like you get these like massive,

00:37:52.900 --> 00:37:56.600
like fluctuations of emotion when you compete. Right.

00:37:57.060 --> 00:37:59.740
And then, then you're like just

00:37:59.740 --> 00:38:02.620
sitting on the couch and no you're right and those

00:38:02.620 --> 00:38:05.760
like those even in that like small like two-day

00:38:05.760 --> 00:38:09.140
window you have this massive swing now

00:38:09.140 --> 00:38:13.140
imagine if you're doing that every month

00:38:13.140 --> 00:38:16.420
and like you have those massive emotional swings you're

00:38:16.420 --> 00:38:19.120
feeling these highs and these lows and then all of a sudden you're

00:38:19.120 --> 00:38:21.940
just like in the middle again and then you're like oh

00:38:21.940 --> 00:38:25.480
shit like i this is my feel nothing right

00:38:25.480 --> 00:38:28.280
and so yeah like i

00:38:28.280 --> 00:38:31.660
need to feel things again and like you know it's like it's that's

00:38:31.660 --> 00:38:35.020
a tough it's potent and like there's always

00:38:35.020 --> 00:38:40.960
that and you have that like even for people that compete frequently like i competed

00:38:40.960 --> 00:38:49.160
every other week last year and like you still have those like those like monday

00:38:49.160 --> 00:38:52.560
that mundane day but you know you're gonna get that thing you know like, you know,

00:38:52.720 --> 00:38:55.040
like, oh, in like two weeks, I'm getting another rush, right?

00:38:55.140 --> 00:38:56.920
Like I'm going to have that feeling again in two weeks.

00:38:57.100 --> 00:38:59.280
And like, it doesn't matter if it's a win or a loss.

00:39:00.034 --> 00:39:03.754
It's just that like massive, like that there's like energy spike.

00:39:03.814 --> 00:39:05.354
This thrill of battle. Yeah.

00:39:05.834 --> 00:39:08.834
You know, like getting amped up.

00:39:09.454 --> 00:39:13.554
Yeah. You know, it's like, there's definitely, there's something with that.

00:39:13.654 --> 00:39:16.434
And I know like, I'm just tooting my own horn because I brought up the concept,

00:39:16.554 --> 00:39:19.994
but no, I think it's a good concept, man. I think there's something to it, right?

00:39:20.134 --> 00:39:24.014
Like I think any person listening would, would they're going to nod their heads

00:39:24.014 --> 00:39:27.734
and say, yeah, dude, of course I, we definitely, this will be,

00:39:27.794 --> 00:39:30.854
we have to explore it. We're going to have to get like, uh, psychologist.

00:39:31.254 --> 00:39:34.054
Yeah. We need to get someone who can actually like, analyze our brain.

00:39:34.054 --> 00:39:39.554
Discuss this, like the chemistry and like, whatever the, whatever brain shit about this.

00:39:39.654 --> 00:39:41.874
Yeah. We're just a couple of Luddites when it comes to that.

00:39:42.054 --> 00:39:45.834
So we're onto something. We're onto something. We just don't know how to talk. We have a theory.

00:39:46.174 --> 00:39:48.754
I just don't know how to talk real good. Can't talk real good on it.

00:39:48.834 --> 00:39:51.154
Yeah. We're just a couple of, we're just a couple of guys.

00:39:51.894 --> 00:39:58.174
Um, no, a couple of jocks. In all seriousness, man, I do think that's like a very real, uh,

00:39:58.854 --> 00:40:01.614
aspect to all of this where like there's just like the

00:40:01.614 --> 00:40:04.494
sensations the the emotional i guess

00:40:04.494 --> 00:40:07.994
it's emotional yeah like the the feelings you get from um from

00:40:07.994 --> 00:40:11.534
doing this and uh doing it in a way that matters

00:40:11.534 --> 00:40:14.654
to you like a like a tournament matters to you like training matters

00:40:14.654 --> 00:40:19.634
of course but training matters a lot more but a lot differently when you got

00:40:19.634 --> 00:40:23.254
a tournament coming up well first and for some people just training scratches

00:40:23.254 --> 00:40:26.754
the itch too like sometimes for some people it's enough right like yes it is

00:40:26.754 --> 00:40:30.954
because you have the the knowledge gain it just i think it just depends on how

00:40:30.954 --> 00:40:33.874
you're wired sure but i think but we're talking about it the same way,

00:40:34.534 --> 00:40:37.654
there's there could be like different um versions of the of that experience

00:40:37.654 --> 00:40:41.254
but you're right like i think for probably most people and a lot of people listening

00:40:41.254 --> 00:40:43.714
that is that's their version of it and they're probably like yeah hell yeah

00:40:43.714 --> 00:40:46.574
i get that every time i i get nervous before i go to practice i sometimes get

00:40:46.574 --> 00:40:50.574
nervous before i go to practice still man um after 21 years of doing this um

00:40:50.574 --> 00:40:52.594
which is cool which i like um.

00:40:53.480 --> 00:41:00.300
But yeah, dude, I think that's a very potent and present and important part of all this.

00:41:00.400 --> 00:41:02.480
And that's why people like it. That's why they get addicted to it,

00:41:02.540 --> 00:41:04.040
man. Yeah. That's why we're addicted to it.

00:41:04.320 --> 00:41:08.100
I mean, we're not. I feel nothing when I'm not doing jujitsu.

00:41:08.200 --> 00:41:12.140
If I'm not doing jujitsu, I just. I feel nothing. I just need that. I need that fix.

00:41:12.720 --> 00:41:19.600
You know, and there's very few things that like scratch the brain that way.

00:41:20.520 --> 00:41:23.360
I guess depending on how you're wired. I don't know. i

00:41:23.360 --> 00:41:26.500
i've had very few experiences outside

00:41:26.500 --> 00:41:29.460
of outside of like getting married and having

00:41:29.460 --> 00:41:34.720
kids like there's not as quite as many like things that i've tried doing that

00:41:34.720 --> 00:41:39.320
uh i mean like last career did it for a little bit because like i don't know

00:41:39.320 --> 00:41:43.880
just pursuit of greatness i don't know um but eventually like it just stops

00:41:43.880 --> 00:41:48.520
you know it's not quite the same um but yeah i mean like there's,

00:41:48.600 --> 00:41:53.020
there's a couple things that will give similar rushes or might scratch the,

00:41:53.020 --> 00:41:55.640
the itch might, might, uh.

00:41:57.072 --> 00:42:00.512
You know stimulate your brain the same way but i

00:42:00.512 --> 00:42:03.192
mean you know it's gotta have those big some people just

00:42:03.192 --> 00:42:06.592
need that big rush dude um yeah i

00:42:06.592 --> 00:42:10.752
mean it's it's a crazy thing and it's

00:42:10.752 --> 00:42:15.412
it can be very good we'll get we'll have to do a whole other episode on on the

00:42:15.412 --> 00:42:19.492
bad aspects of it because like talk about how good it is for about 45 minutes

00:42:19.492 --> 00:42:24.452
i've seen bad i think it's only bad like that I've seen people or at least people

00:42:24.452 --> 00:42:27.932
brush with the bad it doesn't quite,

00:42:28.852 --> 00:42:34.392
if you make it into a negative thing like if you yes I know what you mean I

00:42:34.392 --> 00:42:38.312
think it's it can happen right but I think it's,

00:42:39.252 --> 00:42:42.572
my I think I mentioned this earlier in the episode I was like it's if you're

00:42:42.572 --> 00:42:48.012
using the drug the wrong way if you like make it self if you beat yourself up

00:42:48.012 --> 00:42:52.272
about like training not being I don't know awesome maybe I'm projecting my own,

00:42:52.812 --> 00:42:55.652
past like issues on this a little bit but i

00:42:55.652 --> 00:42:58.472
can i could see that being a thing that people might go through where it's like you should i

00:42:58.472 --> 00:43:01.492
if you if you stop enjoying it

00:43:01.492 --> 00:43:05.892
if you stop enjoying it if you stop enjoying it and it stops like um yeah like

00:43:05.892 --> 00:43:09.192
if you if you somehow turn into a negative thing that's obviously a problem

00:43:09.192 --> 00:43:12.972
um but it's not not only that let's say if you start turning into a negative

00:43:12.972 --> 00:43:17.272
thing but you keep doing it it keeps feeling negative i've i've seen this happen

00:43:17.272 --> 00:43:19.252
to people, actually, now that we're talking about it.

00:43:20.692 --> 00:43:25.552
And I think sometimes that, it's just an example or slash hypothesis for when

00:43:25.552 --> 00:43:27.372
this could be the case, but I think,

00:43:28.220 --> 00:43:31.060
I mean, again, I'll just use cases that I've seen of this. I think it's when

00:43:31.060 --> 00:43:36.900
people believe they should be awesome at it, but they're not performing awesomely,

00:43:37.160 --> 00:43:39.900
to use that. It's not a word, but they're not performing.

00:43:40.040 --> 00:43:43.560
They're not as good at it as they feel like they should be and or that they

00:43:43.560 --> 00:43:46.420
know they are, but they're struggling with the fact that they aren't.

00:43:46.480 --> 00:43:49.380
And they somehow turn that into it, which I think it's an ego thing.

00:43:50.060 --> 00:43:53.620
Start taking it out on other people. It starts becoming harmful. Yeah, yeah.

00:43:53.680 --> 00:43:56.040
That's just an example. And it could be there's probably a lot of other.

00:43:56.040 --> 00:43:58.100
I think we've talked about this scenario off air,

00:43:58.220 --> 00:44:02.140
for you sure sure sure um yeah like

00:44:02.140 --> 00:44:05.300
if it but i'd say that the beauty of

00:44:05.300 --> 00:44:08.280
that is like you kind of control like it's a decision you make for

00:44:08.280 --> 00:44:11.160
like how you want your experience to like train and compete or

00:44:11.160 --> 00:44:14.040
like your experience with jiu-jitsu or fill in the blank with other

00:44:14.040 --> 00:44:17.100
martial arts mma kickboxing you name it boxing

00:44:17.100 --> 00:44:20.160
um you just i think

00:44:20.160 --> 00:44:23.140
you get to decide that this is a positive thing

00:44:23.140 --> 00:44:26.040
and you just keep it that way like if you let like your

00:44:26.040 --> 00:44:28.940
expectations of how this should be going like

00:44:28.940 --> 00:44:32.880
the way you measure your competency or um

00:44:32.880 --> 00:44:36.680
what your desired outcome is like if that becomes a

00:44:36.680 --> 00:44:39.360
bad thing which you can you can if you're not

00:44:39.360 --> 00:44:42.680
well you're not like a couple examples humbling yourself correctly

00:44:42.680 --> 00:44:52.000
a couple examples on that like if your enjoyment or uh measurement of success

00:44:52.000 --> 00:44:59.500
is based on comparing yourself to the other people in the room and their success and, or their,

00:44:59.700 --> 00:45:06.260
or if your success is based on their lack of success, then it starts becoming a, a bad,

00:45:06.500 --> 00:45:08.380
a toxic, nasty thing.

00:45:08.580 --> 00:45:14.300
Or if like you're the thing that makes you feel good about jujitsu is making

00:45:14.300 --> 00:45:16.200
other people feel bad. Right.

00:45:16.608 --> 00:45:21.668
You know, Bill Cosby-ing. Bill Cosby. He said that, dude.

00:45:22.048 --> 00:45:25.028
It's not about me feeling good. It's about you feeling bad. Dang,

00:45:25.128 --> 00:45:26.748
dude. Yeah, he's a fucked up dude. Really?

00:45:27.388 --> 00:45:30.728
I've heard some pretty... I've heard the really bad things.

00:45:30.788 --> 00:45:34.188
I didn't hear that. Yeah, well, like... When you say that, when you take the

00:45:34.188 --> 00:45:36.448
things he did... Well, I mean, drugging people was pretty bad.

00:45:37.268 --> 00:45:40.788
But when you take what he did... He's even worse now. Yeah.

00:45:41.328 --> 00:45:44.308
Somehow it does make it worse. It does make it worse. I don't either.

00:45:44.508 --> 00:45:47.408
Dang, he's just a nasty fellow, isn't he? it wasn't about yeah well

00:45:47.408 --> 00:45:50.828
i'm like let's not dig into that uh yeah that's crazy um we

00:45:50.828 --> 00:45:53.748
all know he's a bad person now it's fine oh my gosh um

00:45:53.748 --> 00:45:57.208
but you know like if if your good

00:45:57.208 --> 00:46:01.208
time is based on someone else having a bad time that's

00:46:01.208 --> 00:46:05.228
that's that's not a good thing you

00:46:05.228 --> 00:46:08.068
know so like these are just a it's just like brushes of like

00:46:08.068 --> 00:46:12.368
what we what we can talk about um yeah because maybe that is the next episode

00:46:12.368 --> 00:46:16.768
is let's talk about you know burnout the dark side of the dark side of the forest

00:46:16.768 --> 00:46:22.808
you know like there is jujitsu is an can be a good thing but there is the ability

00:46:22.808 --> 00:46:25.968
for it to be a bad thing and in fact it's been pretty much in pretty in the

00:46:25.968 --> 00:46:28.028
news right like there's a lot of,

00:46:28.828 --> 00:46:35.728
aspects of you know the misuse of jujitsu and there's a lot of use cases for

00:46:35.728 --> 00:46:41.048
that and we've touched on it with like the sexual abuse and all of that. And, um.

00:46:42.039 --> 00:46:46.639
There's definitely, you know, like Nax example of going in and beating up a

00:46:46.639 --> 00:46:50.119
bunch of 40 year olds, uh, to prove a point.

00:46:50.179 --> 00:46:54.419
Like that's as fun as he might've had at the time.

00:46:54.599 --> 00:46:58.179
He realizes now that, Hey, maybe that was not a good use of jujitsu.

00:46:58.499 --> 00:47:04.979
You know? So, you know, like if, if you have those, uh, he's a good dude.

00:47:05.399 --> 00:47:10.059
Like, I'm just using that as an example that we've talked about of like, and he's even says like,

00:47:10.139 --> 00:47:14.099
yeah, maybe that was a bad thing but like those

00:47:14.099 --> 00:47:17.059
those brushes right if if that

00:47:17.059 --> 00:47:20.679
becomes what jiu-jitsu is for you like you're you're

00:47:20.679 --> 00:47:24.339
starting to you're dancing with the dark side yeah the dark side of the force

00:47:24.339 --> 00:47:28.899
you're you're creeping into misuse of your drug right and like that's and i

00:47:28.899 --> 00:47:32.639
imagine there's also like personal level things where you start getting into

00:47:32.639 --> 00:47:36.699
personal level stuff but yeah outside of jiu-jitsu or if it starts becoming

00:47:36.699 --> 00:47:40.639
a destructive to your family dynamic or something And, um.

00:47:41.739 --> 00:47:45.979
Sometime, you know, and luckily I, I mean, I do this a lot.

00:47:46.159 --> 00:47:51.819
Um, but luckily, as we've mentioned, but luckily like I have a wife who's very supportive of that.

00:47:51.939 --> 00:47:54.999
And so that, um, you know, that

00:47:54.999 --> 00:48:00.319
helps because she's understanding and supportive of the journey I'm on.

00:48:00.559 --> 00:48:06.079
Uh, but for some people, like it can be, especially if it's not their full-time

00:48:06.079 --> 00:48:09.219
thing, you know, like if that's not their job and like, Hey,

00:48:09.339 --> 00:48:12.239
I'm going to go to work for eight hours and I'm going to go to jujitsu for four

00:48:12.239 --> 00:48:13.479
and I'm not going to be home.

00:48:13.639 --> 00:48:17.579
You know, like that's a problem. That can be a problem too.

00:48:17.679 --> 00:48:22.339
I can't necessarily speak to that now, but I mean, it definitely,

00:48:22.559 --> 00:48:27.699
when I was also doing a job and I was also like working during the day and going to jujitsu and,

00:48:28.689 --> 00:48:31.909
it definitely gets disruptive, and I was noticing that. Luckily,

00:48:32.089 --> 00:48:36.909
I'm able to have a jujitsu career and not have to do both things. Right.

00:48:38.109 --> 00:48:41.949
But, you know, like, that's another dark side of this. I get what you're saying.

00:48:41.949 --> 00:48:44.749
Another misuse of the drug. I get what you're saying.

00:48:45.149 --> 00:48:49.269
Yeah. It should only, I think what we're saying, in the best of scenarios,

00:48:49.389 --> 00:48:51.749
it should only provide value and it should not become, like,

00:48:52.049 --> 00:48:55.709
deleterious to your lifestyle and people around you.

00:48:55.709 --> 00:48:58.529
Um and if it's starting to

00:48:58.529 --> 00:49:01.249
become like that hopefully you can figure that out

00:49:01.249 --> 00:49:04.449
identify that and then make the corrective actions necessary

00:49:04.449 --> 00:49:07.429
just balance it out then but the force needs balance and

00:49:07.429 --> 00:49:10.449
sometimes sometimes you're a cult leader

00:49:10.449 --> 00:49:13.169
instructor jokingly your sith lord

00:49:13.169 --> 00:49:16.089
might be your sith lord will come in and yeah or somebody will

00:49:16.089 --> 00:49:20.589
come in and tell you like hey man uh i think you need to take a break you know

00:49:20.589 --> 00:49:24.129
like sometimes that happens too i'm sure you've i mean you brought up a scenario

00:49:24.129 --> 00:49:27.949
that you had to deal with in squash like I'm sure that like oh I don't know

00:49:27.949 --> 00:49:31.429
if you brought but we've talked about yeah we've talked about a scenario you've

00:49:31.429 --> 00:49:34.829
had to squash and like sometimes it's like hey dude like.

00:49:35.558 --> 00:49:38.778
I think this isn't healthy for you right now. And sometimes it's because of

00:49:38.778 --> 00:49:40.778
something they're going through outside of the gym.

00:49:40.998 --> 00:49:46.918
Usually it is. There's some bad, you know, they're dealing with something and it's just manifesting.

00:49:47.218 --> 00:49:49.778
A circumstance of life that's putting them in a scenario where like,

00:49:49.778 --> 00:49:52.738
probably most things they're doing are becoming deleterious to them.

00:49:52.938 --> 00:49:57.078
It just happens to be what we see. Yeah, we're seeing one aspect of it.

00:49:57.178 --> 00:49:59.618
And like, you know, sometimes it's like they had a, there's some people,

00:49:59.698 --> 00:50:01.758
they're going through a breakup, they're going through a divorce.

00:50:02.158 --> 00:50:05.158
Yeah. And they're, you know, that's in the family or something. and it's just some sort

00:50:05.158 --> 00:50:08.078
of some sort of outlet of aggression that they're

00:50:08.078 --> 00:50:10.838
not intentionally doing this it's just a thing that occurs and

00:50:10.838 --> 00:50:14.438
like it's like hey man like maybe we need to sort out whatever this

00:50:14.438 --> 00:50:18.058
other thing is like take a break from jiu-jitsu so you can sort that out so

00:50:18.058 --> 00:50:23.158
that this isn't you sorting it out here on other people um so you know like

00:50:23.158 --> 00:50:27.938
it's there's there's a lot of things outside of it it goes both ways i guess

00:50:27.938 --> 00:50:31.198
is a way of putting it jiu-jitsu doesn't have to affect your outside life.

00:50:31.358 --> 00:50:36.338
Sometimes your outside life causes jujitsu to be not good for you.

00:50:37.278 --> 00:50:41.358
You know, there's definitely scenarios of that as well. I mean,

00:50:41.398 --> 00:50:46.018
I've seen a guy, you know, I mentioned, you know, someone walking out of class

00:50:46.018 --> 00:50:49.058
because they just couldn't mentally be there because they were just not in a

00:50:49.058 --> 00:50:51.858
good mindset that day. And they're like, I just, you know, I'm not.

00:50:52.018 --> 00:50:54.338
That's probably a good decision for that person at the time, right?

00:50:54.518 --> 00:50:59.298
There was a good, that was like a self-aware, very self-aware and mature thing to do.

00:50:59.418 --> 00:51:03.158
Be like, Like, hey, dude, like, I'm probably going to be a real dick today,

00:51:03.158 --> 00:51:04.478
so I'm going to walk out or whatever.

00:51:04.638 --> 00:51:08.758
You know, like, I don't know if they actually, but like, that's just an example.

00:51:08.758 --> 00:51:09.938
It does make sense. Yeah.

00:51:10.178 --> 00:51:13.858
You know, like, so, you know, like, that's...

00:51:14.313 --> 00:51:20.293
It's a possible thing, man. And we'll just have to do a separate episode because

00:51:20.293 --> 00:51:21.593
we're already almost an hour in.

00:51:21.993 --> 00:51:25.433
We should bring in a therapist. We should bring in a therapist for sure.

00:51:25.473 --> 00:51:27.353
We're going to bring in a psychologist who can speak more.

00:51:27.613 --> 00:51:31.113
I have a guy. You have a guy? He's also a world champion, dude.

00:51:31.493 --> 00:51:35.433
Fuck, come on. Yeah, Big John's a psychologist, bro. We're going to bring Big John on.

00:51:35.653 --> 00:51:37.593
He's going to hear this and be like, I'm coming on this show.

00:51:37.593 --> 00:51:39.453
He's going to show up. Dude, let's do it. That sounds awesome.

00:51:39.513 --> 00:51:40.913
Yeah, so that would be a good one.

00:51:41.313 --> 00:51:44.813
It could be next week. Let's do it. I'll hit him up. I think that sounds like

00:51:44.813 --> 00:51:46.393
an awesome idea. Plus you bring him in next week.

00:51:46.513 --> 00:51:48.713
It won't be next week for this episode. Well, actually we'll,

00:51:48.713 --> 00:51:51.793
we'll have to put it on after this because otherwise this will, we might debunk her.

00:51:52.793 --> 00:51:55.553
Timing dude who cares? I think that's an awesome idea. Yeah.

00:51:55.673 --> 00:51:59.353
So especially if he's a professional psychologist, he's a world champion wrestled.

00:51:59.793 --> 00:52:02.113
Um, Oh, he's going to have all kinds of cool stuff. Oh dude.

00:52:02.233 --> 00:52:03.273
I, yeah, I want to bring him on.

00:52:03.493 --> 00:52:05.573
Uh, I'll tell him, I'm going to text him after this. Well, he'll be,

00:52:06.153 --> 00:52:08.073
no, he has, he's not at practice yet. So it'll be good.

00:52:08.393 --> 00:52:12.593
I'll text him after this. get your ass to my house now so maybe that'll be the

00:52:12.593 --> 00:52:18.033
move I like that the timing will work out too because he'll be there when we're

00:52:18.033 --> 00:52:22.073
training we should get some listener questions ask Dr.

00:52:22.393 --> 00:52:29.793
Drew I'll confirm with him when we wrap up here I'll confirm with him and then

00:52:29.793 --> 00:52:35.693
I'll message the actual AM group chat be like bro put together questions for John.

00:52:38.073 --> 00:52:40.113
Sometimes we ideate,

00:52:40.852 --> 00:52:45.512
I think that's a word. Yeah. We're live. We're doing it live. We're doing it live.

00:52:45.672 --> 00:52:48.812
I mean, we come up with a lot of time. We come up with what the next episode

00:52:48.812 --> 00:52:51.272
is in the middle of the other episode. Sure, sure, sure.

00:52:51.872 --> 00:52:54.532
And you guys get to hear it. You get to hear the process, dude.

00:52:54.612 --> 00:52:58.992
We're transparent like that. Every episode is also a behind-the-scenes episode all at once.

00:52:59.372 --> 00:53:01.352
That's right. We're providing so much value. Yes.

00:53:02.032 --> 00:53:04.432
We're just demonstrating value, bro. This should be on Patreon.

00:53:04.992 --> 00:53:06.692
We are demonstrating serious value.

00:53:06.772 --> 00:53:09.652
We use the dentist system here. Yes, we do. Fire drinking coffee.

00:53:09.652 --> 00:53:10.512
A couple dentist systems.

00:53:12.032 --> 00:53:14.832
Professionals yeah dentist system professionals hell yeah

00:53:14.832 --> 00:53:18.432
dude i like that um but yeah so uh that

00:53:18.432 --> 00:53:21.272
i think that should be the next one we'll get him in here next week we'll talk

00:53:21.272 --> 00:53:24.072
about it awesome uh and we'll provide it

00:53:24.072 --> 00:53:26.992
to you afterwards i like this i like this train of thought

00:53:26.992 --> 00:53:29.652
we can get into burnout and stuff on that too i think

00:53:29.652 --> 00:53:35.272
yeah we'll see i want to it might be good to have a uh someone who's licensed

00:53:35.272 --> 00:53:40.112
seriously we've been saying a lot of shit john does any of this make sense yeah

00:53:40.112 --> 00:53:43.912
but this has to come out before because otherwise all this material might be

00:53:43.912 --> 00:53:49.012
unusable once it no no it'll be good it's better to show our dumb ass bullshit no it's good talk to it

00:53:49.332 --> 00:53:52.352
shows personal growth too right yeah uh we

00:53:52.352 --> 00:53:55.352
want to be able to show people that we are capable of changing

00:53:55.352 --> 00:53:58.272
growth we seek out experts we're mature than us we're mature

00:53:58.272 --> 00:54:01.092
we want to learn yeah we want our ideas to

00:54:01.092 --> 00:54:03.752
be challenged by actual people who know what

00:54:03.752 --> 00:54:06.392
they're talking about and like i said or we're just going to

00:54:06.392 --> 00:54:09.272
keep talking oh we'll just yeah that's possible too like we see and it's

00:54:09.272 --> 00:54:14.752
in our description you're on this we're we might be like more or less experts

00:54:14.752 --> 00:54:17.932
at jujitsu but we're all still on the journey right like we're on this journey

00:54:17.932 --> 00:54:21.272
and we're taking you along with us yeah you're gonna learn with you're on the

00:54:21.272 --> 00:54:27.952
journey together uh we try to we try to express that journey that it's that uh.

00:54:28.780 --> 00:54:34.580
That need for knowledge. The quest for knowledge and better human empowerment. Hell yes.

00:54:35.400 --> 00:54:37.940
Things like that. That's what we're about here at Fighters Drinking Coffee.

00:54:38.180 --> 00:54:42.960
And with that, guys, that was Fighters Drinking Coffee. Thank you for coming along with us.

00:54:43.600 --> 00:54:47.680
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00:54:47.780 --> 00:54:51.420
These are important things. These are important things. We're finishing on a high note here.

00:54:53.540 --> 00:54:57.640
You know, we just, we were talking about this in between recordings.

00:54:57.640 --> 00:55:01.400
And so we wanted to, to ruminate with you guys and, you know,

00:55:02.196 --> 00:55:06.856
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00:55:07.236 --> 00:55:10.956
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00:55:32.196 --> 00:55:34.136
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00:55:34.256 --> 00:55:36.776
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00:55:45.316 --> 00:55:48.696
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00:55:49.136 --> 00:55:52.016
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00:55:53.076 --> 00:55:56.636
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00:55:56.796 --> 00:55:59.056
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00:55:59.176 --> 00:56:00.716
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00:56:00.716 --> 00:56:03.856
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00:56:03.856 --> 00:56:06.676
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00:56:06.676 --> 00:56:09.996
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00:56:09.996 --> 00:56:14.576
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00:56:14.576 --> 00:56:18.756
there so in the queue it's in the queue but we just as i said last episode we

00:56:18.756 --> 00:56:24.136
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