(Ep 49) Nakapan Phungeforn: Jiu-Jitsu, Judo & the Dark Side

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Welcome back to Fighters Drinking

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Coffee. Today, we have Nakapan from Beta Academy in Washington, D.C.

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He's an institution here in the Washington, D.C., MMA, martial arts,

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jiu-jitsu, judo, all of it, Muay Thai. What that U institution?

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There's a lot of things. By myself. U institution.

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You are. But so he's been around the scene. We'll get into some of that today for sure.

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Nakapan, welcome on. Thank you, guys. This is great.

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A fighter is drinking coffee. I used to drink a lot of coffee,

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but unfortunately not anymore. But I will drink vicariously through you. Oh.

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Excellent. I'm going to have something to have you.

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I'm going to sneak away in a few seconds. It's a little late for me to have

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coffee. Nine months ago when I gave up coffee, that would not be the case.

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I would definitely drink espresso before I went to sleep. Really?

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Has Aseem convinced you to get one of these whoops yet? No, I'm too cheap to

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get the whoops. I'm going to do it, though. I promise. You're worried about the data.

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I'm worried about yes they are watching all the time I was worried about the

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data for a while too you've got it already I know that's what everybody says

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that was my hang up too but then like.

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The data is going to be good we're going to use it I'm like alright dude whatever I

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guess like fine I have my biometric whatever this thing can

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do but I will tell you one of the things for me going

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on my third month with it I will

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say it got me pretty dialed in to like

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my sleep habits because when you wake up the

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app asks you these like journal style questions like when did

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you what time did you stop drinking caffeine oh i

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popped nicotine things in here like zin so like when did you stop taking

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that like it kind of gets like it has like a daily journal thing and then it

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reports back to you like the quality of your sleep and then tells you like well

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like you ate close to dinner or sorry you ate dinner close to bedtime or whatever

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and like that messed up your sleep so it has gotten me into a good sleep pattern

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i like dream again okay yeah all right do you guys dream,

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Yes. Yes. Damn, you all have been getting good sleep for a long time.

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I'm happy to hear it. I get minimal sleep, but it's, I guess, quality.

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I have no excuse. Oh, you got kids? Oh, I got two, man. They,

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yeah, there's no sleeping.

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They crush your sleep 100%. I mean, you get really good at maximizing your sleep.

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Yeah. I'm impressed with you guys, but I have, I wasn't dreaming.

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I like, I guess I hadn't like had real sleep. That might be the marijuana.

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No, man. It's not that. It's not that.

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But it doesn't. It asks you that too. We talked about it.

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You can look at my journal. I hit no on that. Oh, okay. I answer honestly.

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I answer honestly. I say no, no, no, no, no, no.

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Yeah. Sometimes I hit yes, but like mostly no. But anyways, I'm finally dreaming again.

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That's good. Thanks, guys. Yes. Congratulations. Thank you.

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I think that means I sleep. Like actually sleep. It means you're getting to

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the important part of it, I guess, right? Whatever. Yeah.

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It's kind of cool. Dreaming's cool. For all the guys out there,

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that'll definitely increase your testosterone too. So there you go.

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Amen. In the right amount of sleep.

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We're about that life. We're all worried that our testosterone is low.

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I tried to give you guys plastic-free water, dude. In a plastic cup.

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This is like good plastic. Yeah, trying to keep your old, you know,

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T levels as high as possible. You sleep enough, you'll wake up with your erections.

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That's how you know you're good to go. Yeah, we're all about boners here.

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That's how it works. But so, Nick, we've been asking our guests the past few,

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also at the stage a little bit before, but we've been asking them a Star Wars

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question to kind of get it going, and then we'll see where it goes from there.

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But we've come up with a theory.

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That Jiu-Jitsu, one, it takes itself too seriously sometimes,

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but also that there's a nice parallel between Jiu-Jitsu and,

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I guess, more of the subculture of Jiu-Jitsu, what people are seeing online more than anything.

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In Star Wars, and our theory is that you have...

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Ember palpatine who's john donahue and he's he is manufacturing the beef between

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craig jones and gordon ryan who we have set as gordon ryan is anakin as the

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one that john donahue is gonna,

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transition over to the dark side or is manipulating

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to the dark side one could already argue he's already there might

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be we're not sure yet maybe he

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might already be there and then uh craig jones

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is like we're still in like the clone wars in

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this scenario he's like count dooku he's the sith lord

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that was like the worst episode that was the worst one they ever

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made yeah i think so but you know he's he's the the sith lord outwardly leading

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the separatists but really emperor palpatine right like we got john donah we're

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basically saying john donahue is still.

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Maybe Gordon's not in on it. They don't know.

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I mean, obviously, Craig Jones knows John Donahue and Gordon are cool.

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I think they're in on it. In my opinion, I think they're in on it.

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You mean the beef? Yes. Because look at how attention-getting it is. Everyone's winning.

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I thought it was hilarious, that last post that Gordon made,

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which is systematically dismantling the octopus guard and all other low percentage attacks.

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I didn't see that. Oh, dude, it was hilarious. I was like, all right, this is great, man.

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It's great. I mean, if, if, um, the internet is definitely, uh,

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alive in the jujitsu community, I'll tell you that, you know? Yeah.

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So, um, I mean, I take it for what it is. I like, I like the,

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uh, I eat the popcorn. I read it. I read the stuff.

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Sometimes I'm in it too. Who knows? You are in it. Yeah.

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You're all over it, dude. You, you are, you're, you're in the...

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Star wars universe yeah i guess so well so

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who are we'll start with someone who's who

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is obi-wan kenobi oh who's the jujitsu obi-wan

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kenobi i like this question it's been good it's a

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tough one to put your finger on yeah that's a really that that's

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a tough one you know so you're you're

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saying like we're in clone wars right now so we're like

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we're like a young obi-wan kenobi we're open to suggestion that's past

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it we just that's the stage we've been setting up i guess man

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that's a that's a really tough one i don't know

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who to who to look at look toward right now marcello garcia we've had him we've

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had keenan those are the two we've we've received is so there's the obi-win

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kenobi of jiu-jitsu right now that's what those are the two i think those of

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the two we've heard. And we've heard the.

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From the guys who run AOJ. Oh, the Mendez brothers.

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That's the other one, I guess. So we've had a few different people put forth,

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We're open to suggestions. We still haven't decided. I'm from an old generation,

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dude. So I don't know. Like for me coming up was Hickson.

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Okay. I can see Hickson. I mean, we were always about, Hickson was like the

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legend, dude. Like that was the guy and he embodied like everything, you know?

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And just watching, you know, I never got a chance to train with him though.

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Like that was, that was an unfortunate thing, but I was always trying to like

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meet him one day and I still have not met him, but I only know of the legend of the,

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and in just like seeing him fight

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in pride and um and the way

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that everybody talks about him like lining up 30 black belts in

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one training and beating everybody effortlessly you know

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and then also being like a super clean eating like yoga yogi like learning the

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breath work like all these things are almost like mystical you know like that's

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part of like the jedi too like they have this mystical connection so for me

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it was always like man well you ever seen choke has i've Have you seen Cho?

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Come on, yeah. His book's around here somewhere, the Hickson book.

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He does talk about he went through a party phase, though, by the way.

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Well, yeah, I know. Yeah, yeah. That had to come. Is that part of his Jedi arc? Sure.

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Right. You got to have to walk down the back. They say Obi-Wan did.

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They think Obi-Wan had some flings on the side, was hanging out in the bars, you know?

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Nothing we know, but yeah, there's got to be a spinoff series.

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They have a spinoff series. We're going to have to watch something like that. They have one now.

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Man. Tell them. Oh, the Obi-Wan series?

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Dude, yeah. Yeah, they have a whole Obi-Wan, like...

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No, no, I saw that. You know what? I did see that. I did see that. Yes. What'd you think?

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It was such a long time ago, man. You didn't like it. No, it's like,

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you know, look, Disney's now is just way too woke for me. Like,

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it's kind of crazy. I agree.

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It's kind of crazy. I don't like the new stuff. It's not very entertaining. I watched it recently.

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It's Star Wars, right? So I grew up in, I was born in the 80s, grew up in the 90s.

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So Star Wars was like my thing. It was the first thing I was like,

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I was obsessed with Star Wars when I was a kid.

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I re-watched episode four, five, and six at the Uptown.

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You know, they brought it, they're like, oh, we're remastering it.

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And they've remastered it so many times. I was like, I'm going to go see.

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And then it was like, watch all three episodes in one sitting.

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So you're there for like six hours. Did you like it? It's great. It's great.

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You know, I like the Phantom Menace. And then when they made like the Clone

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Wars, I was like, this thing is kind of weird.

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Even the dialogue in it is super cheesy. It's like, nice call.

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My pad. I'm like, who wrote this?

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The dialogue was goofy. They spent all their money on the effects.

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For what it's worth, I re-watched them recently.

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Still entertaining to me. I actually, so if I may, I rewatched it and I was

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like, all right, this is going to be, I kind of reframed my perspective on and

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around like watching Anakin turn into a psycho.

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I guess he always was like kind of go full psycho on, you know, the path to Darth Vader.

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And I came around on it. And I think, yes, there's a lot of like the surrounding

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stuff was silly and kind of whatever, but I thought they did a decent job of

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watching this dude turn into a little maniac.

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If you just follow all of them from, like, the perspective of just watching

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him, even four, five, and six, like, if you just kind of, like,

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watch Darth Vader, Anakin, like, all that, it's a very different story.

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Like, you know, if you just follow that plot, I guess that's kind of what they

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decide the plot was. I'll give it another rewatch again. Give it a rewatch.

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To watch that. Can you watch it with your kiddo?

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I don't think she's there yet. She's, like, turning, like, six. Okay, okay, okay.

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Not quite there yet. I know, you guys got kids. I'm like, that seems like a

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good, like. They have a Star Wars kid show. I started watching.

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Okay, see. I started watching an R-rated movie. It's probably way too young.

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I watched my first R-rated movie at like four years old, you know? So I think about it now.

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I'm like, oh, I might be like, you know, scarring my child emotionally or something.

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I was like, in the 80s, like they had no idea, dude.

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I was watching like, you know, like The Running Man and like crazy stuff like that.

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My stepfather took me to Tales from the Dark Side when I was five years old.

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I don't know if you've ever seen that. it's basically like tales from like the crypt like

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this kind of crazy stuff I remember it because like this dude gets

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accosted by the mummy and then the mummy like liquefies his

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brain with like a coat hanger and then pulls his brains out and

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I'm like five years old sitting there I literally cried and like left the movie

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theater now you have a career in fighting yeah there's no way I can mess up

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my child after that yeah true so yeah it's crazy could be worse yeah yeah well

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it's Star Wars but give it a watch you don't have to bring her in on it okay

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you just you know whatever I think if you follow the the the,

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The arc of Anakin's fall, I guess all the way through to Return of the Jedi,

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when he's like 10 minutes at the very end, he becomes a good guy for 10 minutes. It's kind of cool.

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Yeah, I'll check it out. Check it out. For sure, for sure. Who are you in the Star Wars universe?

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Oh, dude. Because you're at least, I don't know, beyond here,

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because I'm not anywhere beyond the D.C., Virginia, Maryland area.

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But around here, you've been a part of the lore for a while.

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So, like, you've been in all of the rooms.

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You know, we've been with some of, like, the big names.

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So, you're part of the universe at this point. Maybe you're Obi-Wan Kenobi.

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Or I did, before the show started, I did say you might be Emperor Palpatine. Oh, go ahead.

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Jokingly. Now, you got to kind of walk on both sides, you know?

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So, that way you can know what alignment that you're kind of leaning towards.

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That's right. You haven't decided. He doesn't know which side of the force he's going to go to.

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No, as long as I'm not, you know, as much as I like Han Solo, he's not as,

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Han Solo really if I may just for a second re-watching it

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he's the coolest guy yeah by far by the way

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I think that's the best movie like Solo like oh

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yeah dude I've seen that great no Jedi

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is about that movie but like I haven't seen it oh dude I'm gonna check it out

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you need to watch that one I will it's just Space Pirates dude it's great it

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is amazing it's great hell yeah is it Harrison Ford yeah no no no oh damn I

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was like how okay okay okay he's in the new ones though for like couple minutes.

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20 minutes before he gets... Rest in peace. Yeah.

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No bias. So do you want to be... You see your Han Solo is what you're saying.

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I mean, he's a cool character, but I can never be that cool.

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All these people are like in the DC area or politicking and stabbing each other

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in the back and fighting each other and you're just kind of being the cool guy.

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I'm not even a Jedi and I have no problem with what you're doing right now.

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I'm just hitting it for the money.

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That's what he was all about. He said, look, I got a payoff job in the hunt.

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Dude, I respect that. That's pretty on point. Are you a bounty hunter?

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I like that. Boba Fett? Is he Boba Fett? Could be.

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Could be. At one point, I think, in my life, probably was over there.

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I think one point in my life, I was just like...

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In the sith for sure you know i don't talk a lot about it

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you know and i don't want to give it too much time because everybody asked me

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about like my time at uh tli you know

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and uh at that at said like my time and my time as i much say that hickson was

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uh was um obi-wan kenobi i'm not even going to say who i thought the palpatine

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was but uh but here's the thing like when you're part of the sith you want to

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overthrow the the turn the lord you know what i'm saying like you want,

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You have to kill him in order to take his place.

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Oh, bro, that's kind of fun. Yeah.

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So, you know, you're always like, oh, what is this about? Maybe I can be the

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master, but how can I overthrow the master, you know?

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Is everyone in Jiu-Jitsu a Sith? Is that what we're getting at here?

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Is that maybe the new working theory? There's a lot of Sith stuff going on in

00:14:11.582 --> 00:14:14.022
Jiu-Jitsu. There's a good amount. A good amount.

00:14:14.782 --> 00:14:19.722
He might. Do you still want to talk about one of your, the thing you were telling us about earlier?

00:14:19.802 --> 00:14:24.762
With your murder of the younglings at a Jedi temple. People ask,

00:14:24.942 --> 00:14:28.182
you know, again, this would be my time when I was with that association.

00:14:29.782 --> 00:14:33.662
And you were talking about Nova MMA back in the day, right? Because we are in Arlington right now.

00:14:33.822 --> 00:14:38.762
And my good friend, Cho, she's running it, right?

00:14:39.142 --> 00:14:44.482
And, oh my God, like all the names are, the names are all in my mind right now.

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But let's say we had this renegade purple belt who was teaching at the school.

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And nobody knew who he was, and he was promoting people to blue belt.

00:14:55.062 --> 00:15:01.342
Whoa. Right? Which is unheard of. What year? What year approximately? I'd say 2010.

00:15:01.802 --> 00:15:05.782
20, 2010. So this was like right before we started training here then.

00:15:06.242 --> 00:15:11.242
Well, the reason I'm asking is because maybe once upon a time back in the day

00:15:11.242 --> 00:15:13.002
when there weren't like a lot of brown or black belts around,

00:15:13.562 --> 00:15:16.502
that might have been like culturally normal, but there were brown or black belts

00:15:16.502 --> 00:15:18.622
around here around that time, right? Um,

00:15:19.215 --> 00:15:23.575
I mean, probably not a ton, but, like, there were. There just weren't as many, obviously.

00:15:23.995 --> 00:15:26.295
We're talking about, like, 15 years ago. But in any scenario,

00:15:26.435 --> 00:15:28.695
Purple Belt promoting people to Blue Belt is still pretty wild.

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Yeah. It's very wild. Yeah. So, you know, the emperor got word of this happening

00:15:33.875 --> 00:15:38.035
in the school and pulled us all together.

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You know, we were just on there making phone calls. He's like,

00:15:41.655 --> 00:15:43.595
hey, so who do you know about this Purple Belt guy?

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We don't even know where he came from. He was just like, he ended up at this

00:15:47.015 --> 00:15:49.595
gym because there was no jiu-jitsu instructor there. Right? At the time,

00:15:49.695 --> 00:15:50.835
there was just kind of like a vacuum.

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I think Ryan Hall was teaching there for a while. And then Greg Soder was teaching there for a while.

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And then nobody's there. So it's like the Wild, Wild West. So they're kind of

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like, they need some assistance.

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And so I guess this purple belt came from whatever school.

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I still don't even know his name. It was not me. Because I came in shortly after

00:16:08.415 --> 00:16:10.915
that. He was an overweight guy who had like a mohawk, right?

00:16:11.035 --> 00:16:12.915
And he was just like, man, this is kind of crazy.

00:16:13.075 --> 00:16:15.495
So this was all happening for a couple of weeks.

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Maybe some pictures surfaced. This is before Facebook's even,

00:16:18.855 --> 00:16:21.495
like, really taken hold of everybody's minds so much.

00:16:22.415 --> 00:16:29.095
And so he didn't like it. So he made the emperor called all of his apprentices.

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Hit squad. Yeah. One of them was me. And I just had the school open not too long ago.

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We opened in Washington, D.C. on Columbia Road in, like, a small charter school.

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And we moved to a church. This is an almost abandoned church.

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Anyway, I got the call. And, of course, I was excited.

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And I was like, I'm sorry. I'm going to show up with this guy.

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So I was going to, he's promoting people in the blue belt. So I was like, oh, what?

00:16:52.495 --> 00:16:55.935
He's like, bring everybody. You got, we're going to show up this guy's house.

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I was like, all right. So where is he at? So he was at the school.

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So anyway, I called all my guys, all my instructors, right? And they were like,

00:17:02.275 --> 00:17:04.195
what do we get to do? I was like, well, look, I don't know.

00:17:04.335 --> 00:17:08.715
I just, I just, I was told to call every capable person who could show up at

00:17:08.715 --> 00:17:11.775
six o'clock at this time and be at this address.

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And dude, like everybody was excited. So I brought 10 guys. is we rolled up.

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And then imagine there's a whole bunch of people there. There's like,

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I remember DJ Jackson and like he, so he's in there.

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And, uh, uh, I'm trying to think like who else of that school,

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that generation was there.

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Cause many generations of these people that were coming through the association.

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And so, um, so we all go in the dressing room and we change and then we just,

00:17:39.628 --> 00:17:45.808
we walk onto the mat and then there's like 20 confused like professionals,

00:17:45.828 --> 00:17:50.928
you know, like the guy, These guys are like attorneys and doctors, you know,

00:17:51.268 --> 00:17:54.508
just taking the 630 class with this purple bell guy.

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And, uh, and, and then now the emperor is kind of like walking around and,

00:18:00.088 --> 00:18:03.708
and he just like stops the class. The emperor showed up too? Yes. He's there.

00:18:03.908 --> 00:18:07.168
Okay. And so he's like, everybody get on the wall, you know?

00:18:07.188 --> 00:18:10.348
And so everybody's on the wall and he's, and he's over there and he's saying

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like, I don't know how this happened in my association that this person here is promoting.

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People you know it's like this is unheard of

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so what we're going to do is make an example of

00:18:22.648 --> 00:18:27.068
all of you right so then all of us are lined up on the other side and it's not

00:18:27.068 --> 00:18:31.088
just my school it's like whoever else in the affiliation could show up and they

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brought all the heavy hitters and so we just began to beat everybody up for

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45 minutes that we would and and slowly as much as they could.

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Jiu-jitsu, right? Yeah, jiu-jitsu, jiu-jitsu, right, right. But they were,

00:18:44.028 --> 00:18:46.788
no, no, we're not, we're not going, we're not going that crazy.

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Cause obviously we don't, nobody wants to get sued. Even though I think like,

00:18:51.168 --> 00:18:55.208
you know, at that time, looking back, I think every, we definitely could have gotten sued for that.

00:18:55.368 --> 00:18:57.648
Statute of limitations is way up. Yeah, okay, wait, so there we go,

00:18:57.768 --> 00:18:59.548
I'm good to go. It's 15 years ago, no big deal.

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So, and then, and then what happens is like the guy who's, who,

00:19:02.828 --> 00:19:04.808
who after, you know, he's like.

00:19:05.685 --> 00:19:09.165
Is that the guy? Okay. So everybody, everybody's jumping on this guy.

00:19:09.305 --> 00:19:13.685
Like he's literally trying to crawl off the mat and we're pulling him back on the mat.

00:19:13.825 --> 00:19:17.545
And then we're beating, then just beating him up, like submitting as many times

00:19:17.545 --> 00:19:24.005
as we can in the most uncomfortable, like neon belly, neon neck, like whatever we can do.

00:19:24.565 --> 00:19:28.125
And, uh, you know, it's like, we're all, we're all hype and like celebrating.

00:19:28.225 --> 00:19:30.045
Like, yes, this is awesome. You know?

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And looking back, I was like, man, that's really messed up. Like,

00:19:33.145 --> 00:19:35.465
I can't believe we actually did that. It was fun.

00:19:35.685 --> 00:19:40.125
But we probably scared everybody in there, you know, and it's a good way to make everybody quit.

00:19:40.365 --> 00:19:44.165
Oh, yeah. So, yeah, there was a pretty small program when we got there.

00:19:45.565 --> 00:19:48.625
It went through some hard times, it sounds like. Yeah. Yeah.

00:19:48.845 --> 00:19:50.605
Yeah. So, you know, I mean, and

00:19:50.605 --> 00:19:53.605
then, you know, I met a lot of good people through NOVA MMA, like Sugi.

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He was teaching there for a long time.

00:19:55.985 --> 00:19:59.945
Right. So there was a lot of a lot of good people that passed through there.

00:20:00.105 --> 00:20:03.845
And so it was very unfortunate when the whole thing kind of later on, they moved on.

00:20:04.025 --> 00:20:07.585
Yeah. that would be so that would be after jeff

00:20:07.585 --> 00:20:10.605
left right because uh i

00:20:10.605 --> 00:20:13.485
was there also when jeff was there you

00:20:13.485 --> 00:20:16.185
know jeff ruth also does it meant he very good very good friend of

00:20:16.185 --> 00:20:19.505
mine too you know he's he um yes and

00:20:19.505 --> 00:20:22.905
uh he wasn't teaching there as much so i

00:20:22.905 --> 00:20:25.785
think they needed some other people yeah i was trying to like i

00:20:25.785 --> 00:20:28.765
was trying to because it was that's all around that time

00:20:28.765 --> 00:20:32.605
from what cho had told me so um yeah

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because we would have gone started there not long after 2011

00:20:36.565 --> 00:20:41.965
2012 yeah because who who was teaching the class at that time when i got in

00:20:41.965 --> 00:20:48.225
there greg yeah had taken over for a little bit um and then greg left he wasn't

00:20:48.225 --> 00:20:51.705
there very long no because he went off and started his own thing shortly thereafter

00:20:51.705 --> 00:20:54.865
um and that was around the time when tli.

00:20:56.868 --> 00:20:59.768
Disassociated with Nova MMA. So Nova MMA was kind of like on its own.

00:21:00.128 --> 00:21:03.328
And I think at the time when they had access to like that, you know,

00:21:03.408 --> 00:21:07.448
that team's coaches, like they would have hand-selected dudes.

00:21:07.568 --> 00:21:09.128
Like Greg was one of them at the time. And then like I think,

00:21:09.682 --> 00:21:14.342
when that ended and greg went and did his thing um then it was a handful of

00:21:14.342 --> 00:21:17.062
like transition like a bunch of dudes were kind of coming and going because

00:21:17.062 --> 00:21:18.442
they just needed someone to coach

00:21:18.862 --> 00:21:21.582
yes yeah i mean greg soders and i trained a lot

00:21:21.582 --> 00:21:25.222
together at the headquarters and then he got kind of put there for two years

00:21:25.222 --> 00:21:29.402
that was what it was so you know he was on an island there for a long time and

00:21:29.402 --> 00:21:33.542
then kind of moved on too um interesting right like you run into all these characters

00:21:33.542 --> 00:21:40.882
and Now Greg is championing the CLA method of training. And so, yeah, here we are.

00:21:41.102 --> 00:21:44.722
Here we are. Fast forward a couple of years. Jiu-jitsu is just continuing to evolve.

00:21:44.962 --> 00:21:47.442
The show goes on. Yeah, the show goes on. And be crazy. And so.

00:21:47.542 --> 00:21:50.342
Some of those lawyers and the guys you all massacred, they probably continue

00:21:50.342 --> 00:21:53.642
to train some of us. I hope so. I hope so, man. I hope so.

00:21:54.082 --> 00:21:59.702
Yeah, yeah. I wonder if any of them were still there when we got there. Like, I'd like to.

00:22:00.022 --> 00:22:03.222
I'd like to believe there was like one dude. It would be sweet to find one of

00:22:03.222 --> 00:22:05.282
those guys who was like, yeah, I just figured that was how it worked.

00:22:06.582 --> 00:22:10.342
It's like his first day. He's like, what did I sign up for? Yeah.

00:22:10.482 --> 00:22:13.982
And that was like the only other time after Dojo Storm, you know?

00:22:14.162 --> 00:22:15.362
I mean, that's an episode of Cobra Kai.

00:22:15.722 --> 00:22:18.662
Dude, it's great. That's a season of Cobra Kai.

00:22:18.822 --> 00:22:22.602
I love living my life like a Kung Fu movie or a karate movie.

00:22:22.742 --> 00:22:26.602
I think this is why I do martial arts. And so, yeah, yeah. I mean,

00:22:26.702 --> 00:22:28.062
there's been a lot of craziness.

00:22:28.222 --> 00:22:29.482
I've seen a lot, you know. I've

00:22:29.482 --> 00:22:32.602
been around for like over, I've been doing Jiu-Jitsu for 30 years now.

00:22:32.922 --> 00:22:35.522
So I've seen a lot in that time. I've seen it change a lot.

00:22:36.502 --> 00:22:39.662
Like even now you would say like it's pretty much mainstream.

00:22:39.722 --> 00:22:41.582
A lot of people know what it is.

00:22:41.662 --> 00:22:44.702
Whereas before when I was training, you know, we were in like a garage.

00:22:44.882 --> 00:22:48.022
So like nobody really knew what it was. And some people would definitely say it was gay.

00:22:48.222 --> 00:22:50.142
Like even though, you know, the jokes are about it's gay now.

00:22:50.282 --> 00:22:52.402
But it's still gay. It's still gay. Yeah. Okay. There you go.

00:22:52.462 --> 00:22:54.322
There you go. It's always been gay.

00:22:55.002 --> 00:22:58.582
It's level set a little bit. Yeah. Yeah. Mike, get you some coffee,

00:22:58.682 --> 00:23:02.002
dude. you've been waiting patiently it's still kind of gay but it's like but

00:23:02.002 --> 00:23:09.862
that's normal that's fine that's fine it's very in style it's a trend right now right it's it's,

00:23:10.547 --> 00:23:14.807
Yeah. Much like being gay and such jiu-jitsu. For sure. It is a trend right now.

00:23:14.927 --> 00:23:17.067
It's in style. There you go. They all go hand-in-hand. We might as well ride

00:23:17.067 --> 00:23:18.707
the wave together. Jiu-jitsu is popular.

00:23:18.947 --> 00:23:24.807
You've had a very successful business built around your martial arts halfway.

00:23:25.387 --> 00:23:28.947
So, like, you know, like, it's a good thing. It's good that it's mainstream.

00:23:29.667 --> 00:23:33.947
Yes. Well, you know, I am nostalgic for the old days when it was just something

00:23:33.947 --> 00:23:36.047
that I did and a few other people did.

00:23:36.047 --> 00:23:41.527
But now it's made it so that a lot of people can have a good way of life,

00:23:41.687 --> 00:23:44.207
a good living through it, so I'm not upset about that. Yeah.

00:23:44.427 --> 00:23:45.867
You know, but I'm always,

00:23:46.574 --> 00:23:50.674
It's, uh, it's, it's, uh, you miss the dojo store. Well, I miss those days.

00:23:50.794 --> 00:23:52.674
That's kind of in the middle time of those days, you know?

00:23:52.874 --> 00:23:56.934
So, um, I imagine every once in a while he has like this box at his house that

00:23:56.934 --> 00:23:59.594
he opens and it's like his, his secret Sith.

00:24:00.054 --> 00:24:03.314
Here it is. He just opens, he just looks at it for a minute and just remembers.

00:24:04.094 --> 00:24:09.194
We, the, the, the strongest Jedi would be the one who can walk on both sides, right? Oh, there you go.

00:24:09.534 --> 00:24:12.714
That would be it. And I think that's, uh, you know, it's a good metaphor for

00:24:12.714 --> 00:24:15.994
where we are in martial arts right now because um you know while they're because

00:24:15.994 --> 00:24:20.214
it's in style and it's in mainstream people can make a lot of money off it and

00:24:20.214 --> 00:24:24.094
uh you know as much as i like that too i really like the other side of being

00:24:24.094 --> 00:24:27.254
altruistic and like being a martial artist and so you just kind of have the

00:24:27.514 --> 00:24:30.514
balance artist yeah yeah the old days yeah

00:24:30.514 --> 00:24:33.414
roughing it man yeah yeah yeah i mean

00:24:33.414 --> 00:24:36.134
it wouldn't wouldn't mind go back to those days sometimes not worrying

00:24:36.134 --> 00:24:39.434
about money so much but uh it was simple yeah it

00:24:39.434 --> 00:24:42.134
was simpler it's much simpler yeah yeah it feels like

00:24:42.134 --> 00:24:45.514
you know the days you're getting crazy every day man so um

00:24:45.514 --> 00:24:48.414
but yeah here we are and i i'm

00:24:48.414 --> 00:24:51.554
i'm very blessed to be able to train jujitsu and

00:24:51.554 --> 00:24:54.854
martial arts and meet guys like you guys and come in uh sitting

00:24:54.854 --> 00:24:57.894
around and talk about it man yeah it's fun yeah yeah

00:24:57.894 --> 00:25:00.994
it's a lot of fun very lucky yeah man so you were actually telling us

00:25:00.994 --> 00:25:04.474
before we got on that you are going

00:25:04.474 --> 00:25:07.294
up to new york to compete in the judo open

00:25:07.294 --> 00:25:10.634
right and so like you've been doing judo but you have

00:25:10.634 --> 00:25:14.134
you just recently if i'm remembering correctly just recently started like really

00:25:14.134 --> 00:25:19.794
competing in judo i was competing in judo in the 90s as well because you know

00:25:19.794 --> 00:25:24.674
back in those days i'm like i'm an old man like back in those days um it was

00:25:24.674 --> 00:25:27.954
almost one in the same like brazilian jiu-jitsu yes but.

00:25:29.038 --> 00:25:31.698
It comes from judo like in all honesty it comes from

00:25:31.698 --> 00:25:34.538
judo right so a lot of we still did a lot of takedowns did

00:25:34.538 --> 00:25:37.698
a lot of throws you know back in my day also like we talked

00:25:37.698 --> 00:25:40.598
about standards of being a black belt like a black belt

00:25:40.598 --> 00:25:43.598
mostly fought like volley tuto or mma right

00:25:43.598 --> 00:25:49.118
like that was kind of the pathway to get your black belt um and that's really

00:25:49.118 --> 00:25:53.838
you know how we even came to understand what jiu-jitsu was watching hoist gracie

00:25:53.838 --> 00:26:01.658
on the ufc you know um so uh i trained a lot of judo back then while I was doing jiu-jitsu.

00:26:01.798 --> 00:26:07.118
As a matter of fact, I started with the Yamazakis back in like 95, 94, 95.

00:26:08.018 --> 00:26:10.878
And their Yamazakis are a judo family in Brazil.

00:26:11.058 --> 00:26:13.838
And so they opened up a school over here after they saw, you know,

00:26:13.958 --> 00:26:19.098
I started with Mario and then later Fernando came up there. And so.

00:26:20.369 --> 00:26:26.909
I, luckily enough, I ran into my first judo teacher. His name was John Widman. He came to the academy.

00:26:27.689 --> 00:26:30.989
And, uh, I remember cause I was a blue belt and he was wearing a white belt

00:26:30.989 --> 00:26:34.549
and he like arm locked me. And I was like, how did this guy beat me?

00:26:34.749 --> 00:26:38.609
You know, like, I don't understand. And he's like, I've been doing judo for like 25 years.

00:26:38.729 --> 00:26:41.729
And so then he started teaching a judo program. And so, um, those things kind

00:26:41.729 --> 00:26:44.089
of came one in the same for me. And I was like, oh, I want to get good at judo

00:26:44.089 --> 00:26:45.729
too. So let me go compete in that.

00:26:45.849 --> 00:26:48.729
But back in those days, you know, you could do double legs you do single

00:26:48.729 --> 00:26:51.409
legs right like that wasn't something that was taken out so it was like it

00:26:51.409 --> 00:26:54.229
was very useful in terms of self-defense it made

00:26:54.229 --> 00:26:57.649
sense to be like how do i now bridge the gap with my striking

00:26:57.649 --> 00:27:00.729
and my grappling uh well i'll use judo as my basis to

00:27:00.729 --> 00:27:03.369
try to learn to take people down and so you're learning single legs and double

00:27:03.369 --> 00:27:06.169
legs now it's like judo is doesn't allow that you

00:27:06.169 --> 00:27:09.009
get disqualified when they first took out that rule you

00:27:09.009 --> 00:27:12.029
could get disqualified simply by touching somebody's leg so i

00:27:12.029 --> 00:27:19.649
kind of lost interest around i would say 2012 maybe

00:27:19.649 --> 00:27:22.469
2011 they came out with that rule i'm not but as soon

00:27:22.469 --> 00:27:25.909
as that happened i was heartbroken and i was like this is very sad and i'm just

00:27:25.909 --> 00:27:28.349
going to leave it alone for a while because i don't really care about it right

00:27:28.349 --> 00:27:31.969
now for what it is i was really learning trying to learn how to fight and um

00:27:31.969 --> 00:27:36.249
now i'm back into it because uh i'm doing kudo i don't know if you guys are

00:27:36.249 --> 00:27:39.949
familiar with kudo i've been only through the videos you've been posting.

00:27:40.289 --> 00:27:45.729
Ah, yes, yes. Japanese MMA. So very exciting where, uh, you can punch,

00:27:45.889 --> 00:27:50.049
kick, elbow, head, butt, even groin kick in certain degree, in certain,

00:27:50.069 --> 00:27:52.649
uh, rule sets. There's an open division.

00:27:52.829 --> 00:27:55.689
You can like throw, you're wearing a gi.

00:27:55.969 --> 00:28:01.709
So, and you're wearing these fingerless gloves. So you can like grab the gi and use it to choke.

00:28:01.909 --> 00:28:06.129
And so basically you can do jujitsu, but you have a limited amount of time to work on the ground.

00:28:06.269 --> 00:28:12.249
It's, uh, every competition is one three minute bout and you can go to the ground

00:28:12.249 --> 00:28:17.129
two times in that three minute bout. So you can go two times for 30 seconds.

00:28:17.740 --> 00:28:20.920
For that three minute round so you can go niwaza twice so

00:28:20.920 --> 00:28:23.940
you can work but you have to work quickly because the idea is that it's supposed

00:28:23.940 --> 00:28:27.120
to be as close to real fighting as possible so you

00:28:27.120 --> 00:28:29.680
don't want to spend so much time on the ground right so you

00:28:29.680 --> 00:28:32.400
have to get it done but and so that's therefore they

00:28:32.400 --> 00:28:35.120
threw they put a lot of emphasis on throwing and going

00:28:35.120 --> 00:28:38.220
right into the submission or throwing and and and striking and

00:28:38.220 --> 00:28:41.500
then getting to your submission so um i i found

00:28:41.500 --> 00:28:45.680
this during covet i was like man i'm sitting in my house see me and i've stumbled

00:28:45.680 --> 00:28:49.280
upon this video i was like man this is really cool what is it and that's where

00:28:49.280 --> 00:28:52.340
i kind of was exposed to it and so therefore kind of going back to the original

00:28:52.340 --> 00:28:56.580
question of why i'm competing in judo is because i wanted to compete in kudo

00:28:56.580 --> 00:28:59.640
and i wanted to get my black belt in it and one of the things you have to do is

00:29:00.060 --> 00:29:04.240
show as many throws as you know in five minutes and it's very judo based so

00:29:04.240 --> 00:29:07.080
i was winning i said might as well get my black belt in judo which i was one

00:29:07.080 --> 00:29:14.300
belt away from before i quit and um and And now I've kind of trying to merge all three together.

00:29:14.520 --> 00:29:19.600
So my goal now is to win a world championship in the over 45 division in Brazilian

00:29:19.600 --> 00:29:23.080
jiu-jitsu, judo, and kudo. So three things all focused in a gi.

00:29:23.580 --> 00:29:28.420
Whereas before, in the last seven years, I probably wore a gi maybe like a handful

00:29:28.420 --> 00:29:32.060
of times, you know, and I'm a very, very much a contrarian.

00:29:32.180 --> 00:29:35.620
So when I see everybody moving to no gi, I'm like, I'm gonna move back and go

00:29:35.620 --> 00:29:37.980
back into the gi to try to figure out,

00:29:38.100 --> 00:29:41.560
you know, like, how can these how do these how do the techniques that

00:29:41.560 --> 00:29:45.060
i'm focused on how do they um um

00:29:45.060 --> 00:29:48.440
relate to one another in all three different sports and

00:29:48.440 --> 00:29:51.260
i think that there's a lot of value in that because you know

00:29:51.260 --> 00:29:54.380
the closer that we are to combat i think that's where we're going to find those

00:29:54.380 --> 00:29:58.260
those techniques and so therefore it makes it more fun for me it's more something

00:29:58.260 --> 00:30:02.540
to do and that's just something i'm i'm going for so uh yeah so so i am competing

00:30:02.540 --> 00:30:07.240
this weekend i am making weight tomorrow I have to make weight in judo they

00:30:07.240 --> 00:30:11.640
allow you to make weight the day before so there's a lot of people that are like cutting hard um.

00:30:13.365 --> 00:30:17.825
I, I, the other extreme is IBJJF where you weigh in 20 minutes before you jump

00:30:17.825 --> 00:30:18.685
in the competition, right?

00:30:18.765 --> 00:30:22.625
So you're kind of like, huh, if I really cut, I may get a reduction in my performance.

00:30:22.965 --> 00:30:26.765
So I really got to really toe the line there. Also, what, how heavy is my gi?

00:30:27.105 --> 00:30:29.585
You know, you got different variables. So I find it interesting in all these

00:30:29.585 --> 00:30:33.425
different sports, uh, how they, how you approach preparation.

00:30:34.045 --> 00:30:38.545
And, um, for me, it's just trying to keep it fun, try to make a goal and, um,

00:30:38.865 --> 00:30:41.685
hopefully get a lot of good habits out of

00:30:41.685 --> 00:30:44.605
it as i'm moving forward so yeah yeah so we'll

00:30:44.605 --> 00:30:48.025
see i'm doing the new york open veterans so basically the old man's

00:30:48.025 --> 00:30:51.045
judo tournament and they have a niwaza

00:30:51.045 --> 00:30:55.285
division too which is just groundwork where you just start on one knee so that's

00:30:55.285 --> 00:31:01.585
kind of weird i'm still unclear what the rules are i think it's judo uh ground

00:31:01.585 --> 00:31:04.245
rules which basically you win with a pin you just got to pin the guy for 20

00:31:04.245 --> 00:31:07.845
seconds inside control or mount and then you can do submissions but the submissions

00:31:07.845 --> 00:31:09.905
are all above the waist, so only arm locks.

00:31:10.485 --> 00:31:14.125
And then you can- Chokes? Yes, you can choke. Technically, you can't really

00:31:14.125 --> 00:31:19.365
do a Kimura, but they still count the Kimura as an arm lock in certain respects,

00:31:19.365 --> 00:31:21.525
so there's kind of a gray area with the Kimura. Weird.

00:31:21.725 --> 00:31:25.885
Yeah, I know it's weird. It's weird. So you have to kind of be- And then there's

00:31:25.885 --> 00:31:29.405
a rule where you can grab inside your opponent's sleeve. Oh, you're allowed to?

00:31:29.445 --> 00:31:32.285
Oh, you're allowed to do that. Oh, God. It's massively- It's a little different.

00:31:32.425 --> 00:31:36.105
You can control somebody really well with it, but you can also destroy your

00:31:36.105 --> 00:31:37.105
fingers pretty easily, too.

00:31:37.245 --> 00:31:40.945
So, um, and in judo, they're always changing the rules like every year,

00:31:41.105 --> 00:31:43.505
which is kind of interesting too, because then people have to be like,

00:31:43.565 --> 00:31:47.985
okay, let's, what are the new rules for this year? And how do we game the rules as much as we can?

00:31:48.885 --> 00:31:51.725
Uh, something I don't really enjoy about it, but you know, if you're trying

00:31:51.725 --> 00:31:55.725
to win, then that's where you're at. That's what happens when you have an Olympic sport, right?

00:31:55.965 --> 00:32:01.405
They, they adjust the rules after every single major international competition and, you

00:32:01.780 --> 00:32:04.200
They see something, they're like, well, we don't want these people winning,

00:32:04.200 --> 00:32:08.580
so we're going to change the rules to play against their style to help other people.

00:32:08.720 --> 00:32:13.660
That's the conspiracy theory about what the single leg and the double legs were

00:32:13.660 --> 00:32:16.880
taken out because the Eastern Europeans were basically dominating the sport with it.

00:32:17.880 --> 00:32:21.000
But they're like, no, no, no, no, it's more in the spirit of judo.

00:32:21.160 --> 00:32:24.600
You know, we're using flexibility and the yielding and this and that.

00:32:24.700 --> 00:32:28.060
And I'm like, that's a great takedown. You shouldn't have taken it out.

00:32:28.240 --> 00:32:30.860
The single and the double, hands down, one of the most important ones.

00:32:30.860 --> 00:32:35.880
It's actually part of the curriculum of the Kodokan. So why are we taking it out?

00:32:36.060 --> 00:32:38.480
You know, anyway, that's just a whole nother... Well, aren't they bringing it back?

00:32:38.700 --> 00:32:42.100
I think we're going to start reintroducing legs. They're bringing it back in

00:32:42.100 --> 00:32:46.260
Japan in like the Japanese tournaments first. So it's not something that they've

00:32:46.260 --> 00:32:51.100
put in the international rules yet, which allows the Japanese to basically get it

00:32:51.409 --> 00:32:54.369
an advantage because they're back to competing with that first.

00:32:54.789 --> 00:32:57.509
So they'll have to lead in time. By the time the international Olympics or world

00:32:57.509 --> 00:32:59.649
championships changes, they'll be like, well, we've had the last five years.

00:32:59.689 --> 00:33:02.569
Yes. They've already had a head start on like, yeah, right.

00:33:02.889 --> 00:33:06.569
So there we go. So then they'll be fine. If it allows you to bring it back, that would be great.

00:33:06.949 --> 00:33:12.169
All the Sambo fighters and wrestlers will already be somewhat trained.

00:33:12.189 --> 00:33:15.909
The Japanese wrestling team, the men's wrestling team, the women's wrestling

00:33:15.909 --> 00:33:19.229
team has always been good, but the men's wrestling team, the last couple cycles have been nice.

00:33:19.389 --> 00:33:22.729
They've been winning a lot. Did I send you the the like

00:33:22.729 --> 00:33:26.229
i think i think it was a white paper on what they

00:33:26.229 --> 00:33:29.129
have been doing that makes them so good no but i would be

00:33:29.129 --> 00:33:32.149
very so i need to find the link but it basically all went

00:33:32.149 --> 00:33:35.049
down to like their hand fighting like the specific hand fighting method

00:33:35.049 --> 00:33:38.209
they're using that like is specifically attack the

00:33:38.209 --> 00:33:41.289
hands i need to find the full thing because the breakdown's

00:33:41.289 --> 00:33:44.109
way more in depth than that but like start playing around

00:33:44.109 --> 00:33:47.429
it makes a big difference because if you just grab their hands i

00:33:47.429 --> 00:33:50.269
mean that's not the entire thing just grab they put out the white paper did someone

00:33:50.269 --> 00:33:53.069
else someone else evaluated it yeah so i was like if i were them i'd

00:33:53.069 --> 00:33:55.949
put out a fake and uh no it's it's like someone

00:33:55.949 --> 00:33:59.109
like was just watching their matches and like watching their

00:33:59.109 --> 00:34:03.469
you know whatever tape they had like watching their international matches and

00:34:03.469 --> 00:34:06.309
like watching specifically what they were doing and like that was one of the

00:34:06.309 --> 00:34:08.849
main things that i that i took away from it because that was the easiest thing

00:34:08.849 --> 00:34:12.229
to just pick up real quick was just initially going to the hands or i think

00:34:12.229 --> 00:34:16.129
going to wrists or like wrist elbow just going hands and.

00:34:17.066 --> 00:34:20.826
Well, the lower body attacks, I think, it sounds like it would level the playing

00:34:20.826 --> 00:34:24.406
field quite a bit, too. I think it would make it more interesting to get more people involved in it.

00:34:25.726 --> 00:34:30.646
Actually, I competed in the Veterans World Championship in Paris this year.

00:34:30.866 --> 00:34:36.506
And I don't know if you guys remember Claudio Colossans, but he's a multi-time

00:34:36.506 --> 00:34:39.406
Jiu-Jitsu World Champion, ADCC Champion.

00:34:39.566 --> 00:34:43.366
He won the Masters III division. No kidding. Yeah, yeah.

00:34:43.706 --> 00:34:47.526
He's also been doing judo since he was able to walk.

00:34:47.806 --> 00:34:52.986
So he does have a lot of judo experience, but he did go in there and basically submit everybody.

00:34:53.286 --> 00:34:56.586
And I only saw it from a distance. I was like, man, that guy really uses a lot of groundwork.

00:34:56.746 --> 00:35:00.706
He looks kind of familiar. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So there's some jujitsu people

00:35:00.706 --> 00:35:02.966
now are basically infiltrating that sport.

00:35:03.446 --> 00:35:05.786
They'll change the rules on that too. I'm sure.

00:35:06.426 --> 00:35:10.666
So you don't get a submission in 0.5 seconds. They were letting the groundwork

00:35:10.666 --> 00:35:14.526
go, And that's another direction that judo is going in. They're giving you a

00:35:14.526 --> 00:35:15.806
lot more time to work on the ground.

00:35:16.026 --> 00:35:19.446
As long as you're active and you're dynamic with your, you're not just sitting

00:35:19.446 --> 00:35:22.006
there in one position. Like if you sit in a half guard for five seconds,

00:35:22.106 --> 00:35:23.726
they're going to break you and you're going to sit back up.

00:35:23.946 --> 00:35:26.746
But if you're like changing to a knee cut in your back and maybe you're like

00:35:26.746 --> 00:35:28.646
a quarter, a quarter guard or something like that.

00:35:28.726 --> 00:35:30.986
And you're kind of moving around and really showing the ref that you're trying

00:35:30.986 --> 00:35:33.046
to make progress. They'll let it go.

00:35:33.426 --> 00:35:39.126
You know, and I mean, I had to use a lot of groundwork at that tournament.

00:35:39.126 --> 00:35:43.066
I got a lot of boos, but at the same time, it's like, I'm doing what is going to let me win.

00:35:43.266 --> 00:35:46.006
The French fans were like, boo! It was crazy. Yeah.

00:35:46.606 --> 00:35:53.186
But I had eight matches, I think, in there and still go home empty handed. Damn. Fifth place.

00:35:53.766 --> 00:35:55.386
I mean, they still get the standings. Wasn't it controversial?

00:35:55.486 --> 00:35:57.326
Like that last match you said was kind of goofy?

00:35:57.566 --> 00:36:00.566
Yeah. I was going for a throw and this guy like, he eyes and he's like,

00:36:00.586 --> 00:36:02.566
ah, and they had to kind of review the tape.

00:36:03.580 --> 00:36:05.840
A couple minutes i'm sitting there like there's six seconds left on the clock

00:36:05.840 --> 00:36:08.720
if they give this guy a score like i'm screwed yeah but now there's no way i'm

00:36:08.720 --> 00:36:09.540
gonna be able to make this up,

00:36:10.100 --> 00:36:13.220
you know lo and behold it got taken from the ki because he just

00:36:13.220 --> 00:36:16.420
like he just like did a hand movement and it looked like he put me on my on

00:36:16.420 --> 00:36:20.760
my shoulder so like maybe he initiated the throw yeah and they would give him

00:36:20.760 --> 00:36:24.040
a score for that as opposed for me like trying to throw and dropping to his

00:36:24.040 --> 00:36:31.280
shoulder anyway there's a lot of subjectiveness in the judo um scoring criteria

00:36:31.280 --> 00:36:33.160
It's very, very difficult sometimes to understand.

00:36:33.280 --> 00:36:38.920
It depends on the ref. And there is a lot of influence that a team can have on a ref.

00:36:39.000 --> 00:36:41.700
So you go out there and you start yelling at them. Much like in Jiu-Jitsu now.

00:36:41.820 --> 00:36:45.740
But the Jiu-Jitsu ref looks very uninterested and almost like doesn't even want

00:36:45.740 --> 00:36:49.180
to be there. So we try our best to influence the Jiu-Jitsu ref as well.

00:36:49.360 --> 00:36:53.180
He's just like, I don't care what you're telling me from the side coach.

00:36:53.980 --> 00:36:57.060
Whatever. Whatever. Yeah, he's like, hey, no, I'm just here.

00:36:57.820 --> 00:37:03.620
It depends. I've seen a lot of Jiu-Jitsu refs get influenced by powerful forces.

00:37:03.900 --> 00:37:08.600
Sometimes if you're Brazilian, that helps. You have a big name and you're Brazilian.

00:37:08.780 --> 00:37:09.380
They're like, they'll...

00:37:11.052 --> 00:37:13.952
They'll get nudged a little bit maybe the maybe the language barrier

00:37:13.952 --> 00:37:16.772
is why they don't listen to us yeah right yeah yeah they're

00:37:16.772 --> 00:37:20.012
like i have no idea what you're saying dude but judo

00:37:20.012 --> 00:37:22.632
is kind of like a side quest for you building up for your

00:37:22.632 --> 00:37:27.872
kudo yep my first kudo fight will be on my birthday june 12th i'm going to compete

00:37:27.872 --> 00:37:32.372
in the north american kudo championships so we'll see uh it's in colorado springs

00:37:32.372 --> 00:37:36.652
oh yeah it's a good spot elevation yeah that's the problem that's the problem

00:37:36.652 --> 00:37:40.912
because i was there training and i was like man this is really hard to breathe as a Matter of fact,

00:37:41.032 --> 00:37:44.692
my kudos sensei was like, when you go to the gas station,

00:37:44.932 --> 00:37:49.852
ask for this, it looks like a bullhorn, you know, but it's basically oxygen.

00:37:50.112 --> 00:37:52.892
So he's like, get one of those because you don't know how you're going to react.

00:37:53.052 --> 00:37:55.872
A lot of times you just need to take a, you know, just take a big inhale and

00:37:55.872 --> 00:37:57.332
then get back into training. You'll be all right.

00:37:57.652 --> 00:38:00.492
And they just sell them everywhere because they know that people getting there

00:38:00.492 --> 00:38:02.472
are just not used to the elevation. But here's the other thing.

00:38:02.572 --> 00:38:04.872
When they come to us, it's flipped.

00:38:05.232 --> 00:38:10.092
They feel awesome. No, they have a hard time because our air is a lot more humid.

00:38:10.092 --> 00:38:13.212
And they're not used to the humidity that we, there is very dry.

00:38:13.432 --> 00:38:17.872
And you can even feel like your eyes get like really dry and it's hard to see

00:38:17.872 --> 00:38:20.232
almost sometimes. You have to get really used to it. So when they come here,

00:38:20.372 --> 00:38:21.592
they're just not used to the humidity.

00:38:21.852 --> 00:38:24.992
And so therefore they're breathing on the mat.

00:38:25.172 --> 00:38:27.492
And so I think that's interesting because you're always like,

00:38:27.552 --> 00:38:30.592
oh, we should train in elevation. You're going to get much more better cardio.

00:38:30.772 --> 00:38:34.112
But then you're like- So we need to train in elevation with humidity. There you go.

00:38:34.152 --> 00:38:41.872
How do we do that? We need to find these like crazy high, thick air jungle mountains. I've heard that.

00:38:43.481 --> 00:38:46.001
Back in the day, I heard this, like at the end, the MMA circles,

00:38:46.061 --> 00:38:50.101
I want to say it was like George St. Pierre, one of those, like a big name UFC fighter.

00:38:50.521 --> 00:38:52.761
Those dudes used to get like those, I think it's hyperbaric chambers.

00:38:53.281 --> 00:38:55.861
Yeah, yeah. You sleep in them. And they say like, if you just sleep and expose

00:38:55.861 --> 00:38:59.101
yourself, like you don't actually have, you could go and be in the altitude

00:38:59.101 --> 00:39:00.701
and do a training camp and whatever.

00:39:01.601 --> 00:39:05.741
But allegedly, if you just expose yourself to one of those things,

00:39:05.801 --> 00:39:09.241
like if your body just starts to get used to it, you don't have to be even physically active in it.

00:39:09.361 --> 00:39:12.641
As it was explained to me at the time, this was years ago. So take Tish for

00:39:12.641 --> 00:39:13.661
what it's worth. Ask Chachapiti.

00:39:13.901 --> 00:39:16.441
But you sleep in one of these things and like your body kind of like,

00:39:16.561 --> 00:39:19.041
you'll get the acclimation, I guess.

00:39:19.161 --> 00:39:22.221
And then when you go physically to perform athletically in something,

00:39:22.341 --> 00:39:28.301
it's like allegedly, you will have the adaptation for it. So maybe you just feel normal.

00:39:28.461 --> 00:39:30.861
I'm just going to do steroids. That'll do it. Yeah, I was going to say.

00:39:31.401 --> 00:39:32.941
But you should do steroids and

00:39:32.941 --> 00:39:37.161
just go like a week early. I would say some dudes just cycle EPO. Yeah.

00:39:38.181 --> 00:39:42.701
Just start blasting right now, dude. Why not, man? No, no. 100% natural athlete.

00:39:43.621 --> 00:39:46.821
Someone's trying to give you that, right? Yeah, you got the...

00:39:46.821 --> 00:39:48.701
I don't know if they're trying to. That might be a strong...

00:39:49.381 --> 00:39:53.381
Well, you know, I am sponsored by this company, Rebel Health Alliance.

00:39:53.801 --> 00:39:58.461
He is... It was actually open... Star Wars. Star Wars. Star Wars. He is. There you go.

00:40:00.701 --> 00:40:04.001
The Rebel Health Alliance. The Rebel Health Alliance, dude. There you go. Wow.

00:40:04.261 --> 00:40:08.261
The connection right there. Hilarious. Yeah, but the guy who opened it,

00:40:08.441 --> 00:40:12.381
a good friend of mine, John Goldman, He used to be one of my students and he

00:40:12.381 --> 00:40:15.721
was our first North American Muay Thai champion at one time.

00:40:15.881 --> 00:40:18.861
Now he's like, then he was a strong man. Then he just runs marathons.

00:40:18.941 --> 00:40:19.841
Anyway, he opened this company.

00:40:19.981 --> 00:40:24.461
Basically what they do is they tie in all of your, they tie in your doctor,

00:40:24.841 --> 00:40:28.001
your PT, your strength conditioning coach.

00:40:28.501 --> 00:40:32.401
But I see him, of course. Like, so I said, you got to use my guy and,

00:40:32.501 --> 00:40:34.201
you know, the other guy can be my consultant.

00:40:34.441 --> 00:40:37.301
And then they have like a genetic specialist and basically do all your blood

00:40:37.301 --> 00:40:38.261
work and all the testing.

00:40:39.081 --> 00:40:41.921
And it's very comprehensive blood work. I mean, I hate getting my blood taken,

00:40:42.525 --> 00:40:46.585
they took like 14 tubes of blood and then they kind of go through all the stuff.

00:40:46.745 --> 00:40:50.665
And it was interesting to see. And I learned more about blood work and all the

00:40:50.665 --> 00:40:52.785
markers and how they, and what they're supposed to be.

00:40:53.265 --> 00:40:56.205
But, uh, yeah. So then they, you know, discuss that with you and they're like,

00:40:56.265 --> 00:41:00.665
Hey, so, you know, considering what you want to do with your goals, why don't you try this?

00:41:01.205 --> 00:41:06.045
Uh, and, uh, you know, he's like, look, you have for me personally,

00:41:06.045 --> 00:41:10.245
they're like, you're for a 45 year old man, like good testosterone.

00:41:10.585 --> 00:41:11.645
Here's a couple of issues. My

00:41:11.645 --> 00:41:17.025
SHBG is just a little bit higher than it should be. It was like at a 60.

00:41:17.385 --> 00:41:19.185
So for all you guys that are blasting, I'm sure you're like,

00:41:19.245 --> 00:41:20.945
oh man, this guy's like hypogonadal.

00:41:21.785 --> 00:41:24.485
He needs juice immediately. I don't think anyone knows that.

00:41:24.625 --> 00:41:29.385
The letters you just said means. Oh yeah, it's a sex hormone binding globulin.

00:41:30.105 --> 00:41:31.085
I think that's what, if I'm saying

00:41:31.085 --> 00:41:36.205
it right, SHBG. This is your ability to convert testosterone to use.

00:41:36.685 --> 00:41:39.305
So this, you're like free testosterone. You have this free testosterone.

00:41:39.685 --> 00:41:41.185
You have your total testosterone.

00:41:41.385 --> 00:41:45.945
And you have this SHBG, which is like your ability to convert testosterone to be used.

00:41:46.477 --> 00:41:50.377
And so, but I fast, I was fasting a lot during that time. I was doing a lot

00:41:50.377 --> 00:41:53.377
of fasting. Now I try to eat throughout the day, try to get protein throughout the day.

00:41:53.877 --> 00:41:58.177
Whole nother story. But yeah, but fasting for long periods of time and trying

00:41:58.177 --> 00:42:03.557
to make weight will definitely increase your SHBG and make it hard for you to use that testosterone.

00:42:03.737 --> 00:42:07.457
So there's a lot of factors around it. It's also like what time of the day because

00:42:07.457 --> 00:42:09.737
your testosterone levels oscillate throughout the day.

00:42:09.877 --> 00:42:12.357
So depending upon when you get it tested, we'll also determine where you're at.

00:42:12.497 --> 00:42:21.277
So I was at 550 for my total testosterone. They say it's normal testosterone is like 300 to 1,200.

00:42:21.817 --> 00:42:24.197
And of course, this is measured for like an 18-year-old male,

00:42:24.477 --> 00:42:27.337
right? Well, that's a wide range too. Yeah, it's a huge range.

00:42:27.417 --> 00:42:28.357
That's like all the numbers.

00:42:28.637 --> 00:42:32.917
That's like most of it. So generally when you're trying to get TRT,

00:42:33.017 --> 00:42:34.097
like, oh, we'll give it to you.

00:42:34.237 --> 00:42:37.877
And then you'll get to, you know, 800 or 900 is where they kind of want you to be.

00:42:38.597 --> 00:42:41.077
Of course, these bring other issues. We were talking about that earlier.

00:42:41.317 --> 00:42:43.617
Your testicles will shrink to the size of raisins.

00:42:43.957 --> 00:42:48.337
You know, there's issues. Raisins. Yeah. You basically, you shut down,

00:42:48.497 --> 00:42:51.297
you shut down. The atrophy. That's wild, dude. The atrophy.

00:42:51.557 --> 00:42:57.057
The factory, the factory shut down. You shut down. You also become infertile.

00:42:57.357 --> 00:43:00.097
Yeah. So that's the other thing. If you're like a younger male and you think

00:43:00.097 --> 00:43:03.617
you want to have kids one day, this will, might prevent you from doing that.

00:43:03.677 --> 00:43:08.417
Now they say if you stop doing TRT within a year or two, you can get your system

00:43:08.417 --> 00:43:11.177
to go back, but you're kind of shocking it. You're going to, you're going to crash.

00:43:11.337 --> 00:43:13.237
You're going to feel awful, right? So you're going to have to figure out how

00:43:13.237 --> 00:43:17.617
to restart the factory, so to speak. I see it. So I'm definitely not there yet.

00:43:17.697 --> 00:43:19.117
That's definitely something that's making me.

00:43:19.713 --> 00:43:22.813
Hesitant to ever get there you know because right

00:43:22.813 --> 00:43:25.873
now it's like uh my phone maybe because i talk about it or

00:43:25.873 --> 00:43:30.493
my phone is just being blasting me with yeah advertisements like hey you need

00:43:30.493 --> 00:43:34.353
testosterone like this guy was you know a sack of potatoes and then now he's

00:43:34.353 --> 00:43:37.633
just like you know we're looking at a chiseled man wolverine he's so jacked

00:43:37.633 --> 00:43:40.793
and he's picking up all the women all you got to do is just start injecting

00:43:40.793 --> 00:43:44.713
you know um so anyway uh yeah so the rebel health alliance are like, Hey, so,

00:43:45.173 --> 00:43:47.313
uh, you know, you're, you're, you're pretty good overall.

00:43:47.673 --> 00:43:51.433
I had some kind of like genetic heart situation that they saw,

00:43:51.513 --> 00:43:54.113
but I was like, but my lipid profile was good enough for my,

00:43:54.113 --> 00:43:57.513
my cholesterol was low enough to protect me from that. So they gave me all this kind of stuff.

00:43:57.993 --> 00:44:01.793
Um, talking about that. And then, so basically I I'm taking a whole bunch of supplements.

00:44:01.933 --> 00:44:05.053
So they're like, you need vitamin D, you need more on, you need Tonkat Ali,

00:44:05.193 --> 00:44:06.093
you need all these different things.

00:44:06.213 --> 00:44:09.553
These are natural ways to boost your testosterone, natural ways to like fix

00:44:09.553 --> 00:44:10.633
your vitamin deficiencies.

00:44:10.793 --> 00:44:13.713
Cause everybody's apparently vitamin D deficient, you know,

00:44:13.713 --> 00:44:16.513
because we just not outside that's what we're used to so you'd be

00:44:16.513 --> 00:44:19.173
everybody get your blood work done you check it you're probably below something to get

00:44:19.173 --> 00:44:21.913
you know gotta get uh you gotta get like a fish

00:44:21.913 --> 00:44:25.953
oil and stuff like that to supplement so i'm on that train right there's also

00:44:25.953 --> 00:44:32.733
like the doc's like hey so you know um if you ever want to go this way you you

00:44:32.733 --> 00:44:37.473
could all you got to do is tell me you know you can you can do that and he's

00:44:37.473 --> 00:44:40.533
a jiu-jitsu guy too and he's like everybody in your age group's doing it,

00:44:40.913 --> 00:44:43.213
you know, so there's, you could do it too.

00:44:43.593 --> 00:44:45.693
I was like, man, I'm not really ready for that. Cause you know,

00:44:45.773 --> 00:44:48.933
there's other things, as I said, I hate looking at my, I hate the sight of my

00:44:48.933 --> 00:44:50.093
own blood and that's kind of weird.

00:44:50.453 --> 00:44:53.013
I just don't like it. Every time they do it. A needle is stabbing you up.

00:44:53.193 --> 00:44:56.573
Yeah. I won't look at it. I'll just look away by biggest baby when it comes

00:44:56.573 --> 00:44:58.233
to that. But, uh, so they'll do that.

00:44:58.473 --> 00:45:02.173
Um, but you're going to have to basically inject yourself three times a week.

00:45:02.273 --> 00:45:04.973
They say, if you pin, it's called pinning, pin yourself three times a week.

00:45:05.353 --> 00:45:08.773
That's first where you got to be. And then sometimes you have to get emergency

00:45:08.773 --> 00:45:11.453
blood dumps where you got to go and just go to the.

00:45:12.053 --> 00:45:15.673
You have to go and donate blood because your blood is so thick. Okay.

00:45:15.893 --> 00:45:17.993
Right? So that's what happens to you. Produce too much. Yeah.

00:45:18.093 --> 00:45:20.813
So they're like, oh God, we have to go and we got to, we got to drain you.

00:45:21.193 --> 00:45:25.293
And, uh, the idea of that is, you don't want to, I don't want to have to do

00:45:25.293 --> 00:45:28.573
that. Yeah. So that's kind of why I'm making sure I take as much.

00:45:29.202 --> 00:45:34.322
Um, approach to, uh, natural supplementation, even though I wasn't even a supplement

00:45:34.322 --> 00:45:37.122
person. I was like, I'm just getting it from food. And I think there's a lot to be said about that.

00:45:37.202 --> 00:45:41.682
But, um, if, if, you know, five grams of five milligrams of creatine is going

00:45:41.682 --> 00:45:45.002
to, you know, give me that extra boost and, uh, and I'll just go ahead and try

00:45:45.002 --> 00:45:48.302
that first before I do anything else. How is it? How's the creatine treating you?

00:45:48.502 --> 00:45:51.642
Great. I gained a lot of weight from it and like two, maybe two or three pounds

00:45:51.642 --> 00:45:54.682
from like, you know, intercellular water retention that you Yeah,

00:45:55.042 --> 00:45:59.522
nah, it's like, yeah, you know, so it makes it harder to cut weight.

00:45:59.522 --> 00:46:00.602
And that was my issue too.

00:46:00.902 --> 00:46:04.782
You know, I'm usually losing a couple pounds. I got to lose a couple more because

00:46:04.782 --> 00:46:06.342
of, you know, the extra water retention.

00:46:06.862 --> 00:46:09.662
So, um, but they, they, they helped me with that too. Like, okay,

00:46:09.722 --> 00:46:11.342
what's your weight goal? Where do you have to be?

00:46:11.462 --> 00:46:15.002
This is what we want you to be the week before. This is what we want you to be the day of.

00:46:15.202 --> 00:46:17.902
So there's a lot of conversation with that. And they helped me a lot with,

00:46:17.982 --> 00:46:21.202
with that. That's what I really, um, engage them for.

00:46:21.782 --> 00:46:25.482
And then I still continue to get my blood work. uh, sent in.

00:46:25.582 --> 00:46:29.602
And so, you know, they were at, because I know, as I said, the master's divisions

00:46:29.602 --> 00:46:31.642
and the IBJJF is like the TRT Olympics.

00:46:31.782 --> 00:46:34.162
Like everybody is on gear, dude.

00:46:34.462 --> 00:46:39.162
And once you start doing it to the problem is this, like, I'm told that,

00:46:39.322 --> 00:46:41.942
and this is of course my personality, whenever I do something,

00:46:42.082 --> 00:46:43.522
I'm trying to do it the most. Right.

00:46:43.982 --> 00:46:49.142
And they're like, you have to take the, if you're on TRT, you have to do the

00:46:49.142 --> 00:46:51.982
dose that you're going to be happy with.

00:46:52.182 --> 00:46:55.742
Like, just the least happy with, but happy with. Because you could be more happy.

00:46:56.182 --> 00:46:58.982
You just have to do more. You're like, I'll do it all.

00:46:59.422 --> 00:47:02.222
Give me all the TRT. You would just be in the thousands of, you know.

00:47:02.222 --> 00:47:05.842
So I'll be happiest at 2,000. Yeah, I just might as well do more.

00:47:05.982 --> 00:47:07.942
And then now I'm abusing steroids, you know.

00:47:08.342 --> 00:47:12.482
So it's a slippery slope. I'm not ready to walk that path yet.

00:47:13.182 --> 00:47:17.542
But, you know, we got Joe Rogan and all the people, proponents of TRT.

00:47:17.742 --> 00:47:23.202
Like, Craig Jones is openly publishing his stack and everybody's like, oh, he's doing it.

00:47:23.342 --> 00:47:26.802
Let's do it too. I got Gordon Ryan who's definitely sauced. There you go.

00:47:26.942 --> 00:47:30.742
So here's the thing on that too though. Like how many...

00:47:31.696 --> 00:47:35.196
Times how many days are you training like you

00:47:35.196 --> 00:47:37.916
know hard training and how many how many

00:47:37.916 --> 00:47:40.916
like how many hours those days because like that's really like

00:47:40.916 --> 00:47:43.776
a lot of the guys that talk about it

00:47:43.776 --> 00:47:47.496
they're like yeah like it lets me train seven days a week yeah four or five

00:47:47.496 --> 00:47:51.416
hours a day that's a lot of training because they're just destroying you know

00:47:51.416 --> 00:47:56.276
because your body just can't recover right like so you need that extra stuff

00:47:56.276 --> 00:48:01.096
but if you're doing a smart training program you might not need the extra help to recover.

00:48:01.236 --> 00:48:04.196
You might actually be recovering naturally and you don't necessarily need to

00:48:04.196 --> 00:48:05.736
like boost those numbers.

00:48:06.396 --> 00:48:11.016
I'm an extreme person. I enjoy training. So I'll train as much as I can, unfortunately.

00:48:11.276 --> 00:48:12.776
And I guess, you know, the TRT

00:48:12.776 --> 00:48:15.096
would definitely help me recover and be on the mat as much as possible.

00:48:15.316 --> 00:48:19.556
But, you know, for me personally, I probably, you know, I get some type of strength

00:48:19.556 --> 00:48:22.576
conditioning every day, which takes me about maybe an hour, right?

00:48:22.636 --> 00:48:25.556
As you know, you know, Asim has definitely given us the plan,

00:48:25.936 --> 00:48:28.716
except he made me run seven miles. He makes you run more than me.

00:48:28.776 --> 00:48:32.436
Dude, seven miles of running. He's creeping me up, though. I'm noticing a trend if he listens to this.

00:48:32.936 --> 00:48:36.996
We're on to you. He put me cold turkey on cardio, dude. Well,

00:48:36.996 --> 00:48:38.236
it's because I think he wants you to get weight.

00:48:38.576 --> 00:48:41.436
I think he wants you to get beefy. I can only gain so much more.

00:48:41.636 --> 00:48:43.016
I'm like two in the middle.

00:48:43.436 --> 00:48:46.956
But yeah, I mean, he was just like, no, you aren't doing any more cardio, bro.

00:48:47.836 --> 00:48:53.796
Dude, it was crushing. I think that's the most I've ever run in one session, like seven miles.

00:48:53.896 --> 00:48:56.916
It took me like an hour and 15 minutes. I run like a tortoise.

00:48:56.916 --> 00:49:00.256
It's like a test of patience, really, more than anything. Yeah, yeah. Well, I enjoy it.

00:49:00.396 --> 00:49:05.596
I have to keep – I'm glad you enjoy it. I think eventually I might enjoy it. I'm not there yet.

00:49:05.776 --> 00:49:09.516
Are you trying to get a good place to run so there's at least a beautiful sight?

00:49:09.676 --> 00:49:13.556
You know, maybe – I run to this lake, like Barcroft, so I can see a nice, beautiful lake.

00:49:13.816 --> 00:49:16.156
I want to get there for a second, then I run back. But it helps me,

00:49:16.156 --> 00:49:17.416
you know, think about things.

00:49:17.456 --> 00:49:20.876
I try to get it done at, like, 6 in the morning, so I just get up and get out

00:49:20.876 --> 00:49:22.776
there. And when it was cold, it's cold now.

00:49:22.956 --> 00:49:26.596
Like, I'm so glad I don't have any runs right now. but you know even in like

00:49:26.596 --> 00:49:29.136
30 degree weather it sucks are you running outside yeah

00:49:29.410 --> 00:49:33.890
Yeah, I got those mountain views, dog.

00:49:34.170 --> 00:49:40.790
However, it's like, I need to find a new place to run because the further he

00:49:40.790 --> 00:49:43.850
makes me run, the more hill climbs I have to do.

00:49:44.510 --> 00:49:49.330
So for every mile, it adds three extra hills to climb up because it's just like,

00:49:49.410 --> 00:49:52.510
I'm on a mountain, so it does this. That's my run, too.

00:49:52.890 --> 00:49:55.350
This is rocky stuff, though. Oh, yeah, that's good.

00:49:55.750 --> 00:50:01.470
Straight up down where I'm running. So, yeah, but one hour of conditioning and

00:50:01.470 --> 00:50:08.330
then maybe like one and a half to two hours of martial arts training at the age of 45 now,

00:50:08.770 --> 00:50:11.610
sometimes getting a great, a good workout is better than a great workout,

00:50:11.790 --> 00:50:13.910
you know, in the sense that I'm not going to get injured.

00:50:13.990 --> 00:50:17.330
So I have to kind of know when I'm going to go hard.

00:50:18.410 --> 00:50:21.230
Most days it's like trying to figure out what I'm working on,

00:50:21.370 --> 00:50:23.830
putting myself in bad positions and trying to get out of them.

00:50:24.690 --> 00:50:27.470
But there'll be like one or two days a week where I'll go.

00:50:28.149 --> 00:50:30.829
Harder you know with some so like when we go on like a

00:50:30.829 --> 00:50:33.509
nine o'clock we're in there just killing each other so i think that i

00:50:33.509 --> 00:50:36.309
think that's great but that can't be every day maybe when i was 18 that

00:50:36.309 --> 00:50:40.049
was every day let me ask you a question man because like i feel

00:50:40.049 --> 00:50:42.889
like number first things first dude like i feel like you your

00:50:42.889 --> 00:50:45.569
performance like you're you're you're getting better and better in

00:50:45.569 --> 00:50:48.269
competition i appreciate that you seem like you are

00:50:48.269 --> 00:50:51.029
like i mean i just i mean i've known you for a little while and obviously we've trained together

00:50:51.029 --> 00:50:53.949
but like you're friends i follow you on instagram like the medals

00:50:53.949 --> 00:50:57.669
keep racking up dude so i feel like you're like continuing to reach

00:50:57.669 --> 00:51:00.709
like high levels and so to your

00:51:00.709 --> 00:51:03.329
point i've thought about this about myself too like a couple years ago i was

00:51:03.329 --> 00:51:06.349
like dude like man i feel like i'm starting to get really tired and

00:51:06.349 --> 00:51:10.929
training am i getting old yeah and the answer is i am getting old for sure but

00:51:10.929 --> 00:51:17.909
i also like i i remember being a young man and being for sure shittier at jiu-jitsu

00:51:17.909 --> 00:51:20.669
or wrestling or whatever like whatever the martial art is fill in the blank

00:51:20.669 --> 00:51:25.729
it was jiu-jitsu wrestling but i remember thinking like I could basically,

00:51:25.889 --> 00:51:28.609
metaphorically, I could go, I could run faster on the mat.

00:51:28.749 --> 00:51:33.049
I could move, I could spaz way more, but it was way less efficient back then.

00:51:33.569 --> 00:51:36.269
And so I have this theory where it's like, as you get more efficient,

00:51:36.449 --> 00:51:40.569
you can like, it's like, maybe call it a car, it's like a car metaphor.

00:51:40.729 --> 00:51:44.389
You put a better engine in a car, it'll go really goddamn fast.

00:51:45.056 --> 00:51:48.096
It might bleed out gasoline, it might, you know, the oil, like whatever,

00:51:48.196 --> 00:51:50.396
like you might wear out the tires, but like you're capable of going faster.

00:51:50.516 --> 00:51:54.056
So like, am I feeling, maybe I'm, because I feel like I'm performing better

00:51:54.056 --> 00:51:57.156
too. Like I'm achieving more now than I was when I was younger.

00:51:57.636 --> 00:52:03.736
I may not have as much like, of like quote unquote athleticism as I did when I was 22 or something.

00:52:04.756 --> 00:52:07.616
But I think I'm more efficient now. And I think I can, I mean,

00:52:07.636 --> 00:52:11.256
I know I would beat the shit out of my 22 year old version of myself. For sure. Right?

00:52:11.476 --> 00:52:15.156
Could it also be, they were all working with the seam and it's like,

00:52:15.256 --> 00:52:19.096
God, I was about to say the same thing and I was thinking about it.

00:52:19.116 --> 00:52:21.776
The undertone of what I'm saying here is I think we all kind of learn how to

00:52:21.776 --> 00:52:24.076
train smarter and like what you just said a second ago about being like,

00:52:24.196 --> 00:52:27.276
all right, like dude, we're going to be on the mat every day in some capacity

00:52:27.276 --> 00:52:30.636
plus the strength and conditioning so I don't think anyone's under trained,

00:52:30.716 --> 00:52:32.276
under trained, right? No.

00:52:32.656 --> 00:52:35.176
It would be the opposite for us. Correct. All over training.

00:52:35.416 --> 00:52:36.576
And so that's the thing, right?

00:52:36.676 --> 00:52:39.256
Because I think like, okay, like credit to what I was saying to you,

00:52:39.356 --> 00:52:41.516
like you're continuing to get better but you've been on the mat consistently

00:52:41.516 --> 00:52:42.536
and hopefully like injury-free.

00:52:42.756 --> 00:52:44.716
You always seem like you're pretty damn healthy to me, man.

00:52:45.776 --> 00:52:47.596
I think that's the name of the game, dude, for us. And like,

00:52:47.656 --> 00:52:52.256
I think we all figure out how to get better at the amount of time we have on the mat.

00:52:52.376 --> 00:52:55.276
And like, you're a gym owner, you're in the gym probably constantly,

00:52:55.396 --> 00:52:57.716
right? But you're always training, even if you're in the gym.

00:52:58.056 --> 00:53:00.256
Just when I want to be. That's what I tell myself.

00:53:00.856 --> 00:53:05.376
But you give in, but you also have the myriad administrative tasks, like all the other shit.

00:53:05.496 --> 00:53:08.096
You're a dad, you have a wife, like you have other things going,

00:53:08.096 --> 00:53:12.156
like a lot in the, in your dad too. Like, I mean, like you probably can relate to this. It's like,

00:53:12.747 --> 00:53:16.247
I have this many hours that I'm going to actually do shit today before I go

00:53:16.247 --> 00:53:18.727
home and eat or whatever, talk to my kid for a minute, you know,

00:53:18.787 --> 00:53:22.907
just put myself in your shoes, like 45 minutes to do nothing and then go to bed, do it again.

00:53:23.327 --> 00:53:27.027
Like that, that chunk of time that we're on the mat, we got to make the best use out of it. Sure.

00:53:27.427 --> 00:53:29.367
Yeah. So I feel like, I feel like as you get older, like we like learn how to

00:53:29.367 --> 00:53:30.887
like say, I have this much time.

00:53:31.287 --> 00:53:34.447
I'm going to make it the most valuable use of that time. And like,

00:53:34.487 --> 00:53:39.247
does that mean we go out there and me and you train, do we spaz on each other?

00:53:39.767 --> 00:53:42.587
Do we not spaz on each other? do we put ourselves in fucked up spots and work

00:53:42.587 --> 00:53:44.767
out of it like do we say all right well like me,

00:53:45.247 --> 00:53:49.847
i'm gonna show up and train with nakapan let's say we get three to five rounds we're doing two

00:53:50.167 --> 00:53:52.527
to four rounds we're like we're gonna spar there's a room of other guys we'll

00:53:52.527 --> 00:53:55.047
meet these other guys all right how many of those rounds do me and nak want

00:53:55.047 --> 00:53:58.267
to go like balls to the wall yeah just how many of those rounds do i me and

00:53:58.267 --> 00:54:01.087
nak want to do something a little different right nak puts me in a fucked up

00:54:01.087 --> 00:54:03.447
spot i put you know what i mean like we can be like really.

00:54:04.067 --> 00:54:07.367
Tactical about each chunk of time and get like ultimately just better training

00:54:07.367 --> 00:54:10.627
which i think It makes us more effective overall.

00:54:11.107 --> 00:54:12.427
I think coach...

00:54:12.837 --> 00:54:17.677
Firas Zahavi said it best. He said, consistency beats intensity any day of the

00:54:17.677 --> 00:54:20.237
week, right? So just trying to be consistent as much as possible.

00:54:20.637 --> 00:54:24.357
You know, I try to show, I train pretty much every day, which probably isn't

00:54:24.357 --> 00:54:28.417
very smart. I should really have a recovery day. It's super smart. I train every day.

00:54:28.997 --> 00:54:32.357
But of course, you have to vary up the intensity. And so there's the days where

00:54:32.357 --> 00:54:34.117
we want to go and you're like, I'm trying to win.

00:54:34.397 --> 00:54:36.457
And I'll fight with other guys who are actually as good as you.

00:54:36.537 --> 00:54:37.597
And you're like, you're trying to beat them.

00:54:37.917 --> 00:54:42.177
And there's the days where I'm really trying to build a skill and I'll just do that one thing.

00:54:42.297 --> 00:54:44.357
Sometimes it's annoying to that person, but you know, I'm like,

00:54:44.457 --> 00:54:47.357
I'm just going to work on like right now I'm just reversing a reverse omoplata

00:54:47.357 --> 00:54:49.417
turnovers. I'm working that. I'm trying to hit it from everywhere.

00:54:49.617 --> 00:54:52.037
Reverse omoplata. That's crazy sounding. I didn't even know what that is.

00:54:52.037 --> 00:54:55.557
Because it works for judo, you know? So I'm like, it's true because people, judo, they turtle.

00:54:55.737 --> 00:54:57.757
So it's a good way to kind of roll them through and pin them,

00:54:57.797 --> 00:55:00.257
but it's also very useful in jujitsu because no one expects it.

00:55:00.337 --> 00:55:02.217
And then you can go into submission from it.

00:55:02.357 --> 00:55:05.697
So, you know, I'm like, oh, can I use this? And I can also do it from standing

00:55:05.697 --> 00:55:08.477
up. So it works for kudo too. Let me figure out how to kind of work this.

00:55:08.597 --> 00:55:10.377
So anyway, that's just like most

00:55:10.377 --> 00:55:14.277
of, I try to make like 80% of my training focused on skill development.

00:55:14.817 --> 00:55:19.217
And then the other 20% where I'm on the mat that I'm, uh, you know,

00:55:19.477 --> 00:55:21.237
we're trying to win, so to speak. Right.

00:55:21.837 --> 00:55:25.057
And then if you look at it from just training, then you have to kind of break

00:55:25.057 --> 00:55:28.537
up when your skill development training time is versus your strength conditioning

00:55:28.537 --> 00:55:30.997
time, because you have at least you want to spend more time with skill development,

00:55:31.177 --> 00:55:32.537
but you know, they kind of go together.

00:55:32.717 --> 00:55:36.797
So anyway, um, it, you know, I'm not a scientist. I don't know.

00:55:37.297 --> 00:55:39.177
I'm also not a mathematician. Miss your scientist.

00:55:39.797 --> 00:55:43.457
And that's, by the way, that's also something that, like, Asim talks about that all the time, too.

00:55:43.657 --> 00:55:48.077
I think it's wise. I think this is where, like, you're a competitive athlete, right?

00:55:48.157 --> 00:55:51.477
You have, like, a, you have a, you're going to have matches in,

00:55:51.477 --> 00:55:52.697
like, what, 48 hours? Yeah.

00:55:52.917 --> 00:55:55.477
It's going to be great. Which is going to be great. But, like,

00:55:55.577 --> 00:55:58.557
you have, like, you have a game, right? So, I think it's, that's the.

00:55:59.451 --> 00:56:03.491
I think this is just an observation. I, too, appreciate this.

00:56:03.611 --> 00:56:05.511
Mike does as well. Mike competes. I compete. You compete.

00:56:05.871 --> 00:56:09.571
I think when you are a competitor, it gets you thinking about that a little

00:56:09.571 --> 00:56:11.571
bit more because you also, like, you're like, you know, like,

00:56:11.611 --> 00:56:19.491
all right, my real peak performance time is Saturday, January 31st in New York with the X division.

00:56:19.671 --> 00:56:22.671
These are the guys. What my peers look like. This is the body size, right?

00:56:22.771 --> 00:56:26.311
Like, so that kind of tells you, like, all right, like, my winning rounds,

00:56:26.331 --> 00:56:29.031
I should probably try to like mimic some of my

00:56:29.031 --> 00:56:32.891
competitors a little bit here and there like get to my division um and

00:56:32.891 --> 00:56:35.731
so maybe those are the rounds when you're looking at like the

00:56:35.731 --> 00:56:38.631
if you have like seven hours across you if you spread out the week whatever those

00:56:38.631 --> 00:56:41.291
are like the sparring days the practice days like all right

00:56:41.291 --> 00:56:43.891
like i do need to get some rounds that i'm that i'm winning like you

00:56:43.891 --> 00:56:46.531
said 20% of the time the other 80% 80% of

00:56:46.531 --> 00:56:49.371
the time the bulk skill development so you can be as effective

00:56:49.371 --> 00:56:52.311
as possible so the winning really is

00:56:52.311 --> 00:56:55.371
is saturday the 31st so everything else we do is you building

00:56:55.371 --> 00:56:58.171
up to that and so if i may like the

00:56:58.171 --> 00:57:00.991
contrast i think being with like folks who maybe are doing this for a hobby

00:57:00.991 --> 00:57:03.951
which is fine too and they're gonna

00:57:03.951 --> 00:57:07.071
go in and fight when they train like they're that's that's kind of their fight

00:57:07.071 --> 00:57:11.191
yeah they're not competitors and that's okay um and there's some of them maybe

00:57:11.191 --> 00:57:14.571
we do or don't train with those yes that's what i'm saying right well it's still

00:57:14.571 --> 00:57:17.811
a workout for for you right i guess it's like not a workout but there's a difference

00:57:17.811 --> 00:57:21.791
between only i yeah like that's their exercise for correct i think we're saying

00:57:21.791 --> 00:57:23.771
the same thing yeah but like Like,

00:57:23.811 --> 00:57:26.271
Asim says the same thing where it's like skills when you're on the mat.

00:57:26.917 --> 00:57:29.717
And physical attributes when you're off the mat, when you're doing his workout,

00:57:29.877 --> 00:57:31.677
he's like, that's where you get your physical attributes. Of course,

00:57:31.797 --> 00:57:33.197
it's like a Venn diagram. They overlap.

00:57:33.377 --> 00:57:36.157
Yep, yep. Because there are times you're going to shark tank with a bunch of

00:57:36.157 --> 00:57:37.757
people that you don't want to do with.

00:57:37.877 --> 00:57:40.717
And it's just, there's a lot of potential for injury there. But you're going

00:57:40.717 --> 00:57:44.477
to have to do just a little bit of that because, you know, you want your martial

00:57:44.477 --> 00:57:46.037
art to come out under pressure.

00:57:46.597 --> 00:57:49.777
And that's when, that's, you know. Mental grit.

00:57:49.937 --> 00:57:54.757
Yeah, yeah. How do we simulate the circumstances of competition as much as we can?

00:57:54.757 --> 00:57:57.477
So here we are. right the same thing because

00:57:57.477 --> 00:58:00.497
you know when you go into striking i haven't done that in like 10 years

00:58:00.497 --> 00:58:03.377
like the last 10 years almost 10 years ago is my last mma fight

00:58:03.377 --> 00:58:06.397
and that was a terrible decision to come out of retirement to like i

00:58:06.397 --> 00:58:08.877
was also going through divorce at the time and i was like i need to go i'm having

00:58:08.877 --> 00:58:13.757
a million crisis again i'm driving a like a jeep wrangler that's got like no

00:58:13.757 --> 00:58:16.637
power anything trying to take me back to high school and i'm like i'm gonna

00:58:16.637 --> 00:58:20.057
do this it was terrible time it was a terrible decision nobody was i didn't

00:58:20.057 --> 00:58:24.537
have any good advice a trip back to the dark side for a brief period.

00:58:24.717 --> 00:58:30.597
Yeah, yeah, yeah. I was definitely walking that line. I was actually in the middle of it, you know?

00:58:30.737 --> 00:58:34.217
That was my time on the dark side. But you have to know the dark side to be

00:58:34.217 --> 00:58:37.397
able to walk the light. You almost fell back to your old ways.

00:58:37.477 --> 00:58:42.637
It was so alluring, you know, the pull of the dark side. Yeah,

00:58:42.677 --> 00:58:43.517
dude, it's intoxicating.

00:58:44.877 --> 00:58:48.337
Actually, the word Yoda used was seductive. Oh, that's good.

00:58:48.417 --> 00:58:49.497
It is seductive. That's good.

00:58:49.737 --> 00:58:52.737
As you actually come to our school, that's one of the first quotes you see on

00:58:52.737 --> 00:58:55.957
the wall. It says, uh, do or do not, there is no try. That's right.

00:58:56.297 --> 00:58:59.617
You know, right next to Jigoro Kano's like fall down seven, get up eight.

00:58:59.757 --> 00:59:01.177
Yeah. I always like to put stuff on the wall.

00:59:01.617 --> 00:59:04.197
Maybe you'll take in it. So therefore we have star wars on the wall.

00:59:04.837 --> 00:59:09.237
But, but yeah. So, um, you know, uh, I think the three of us are probably the

00:59:09.237 --> 00:59:11.557
most unhealthy when it comes to competition. Cause we're like,

00:59:11.597 --> 00:59:13.217
yeah, we're going to go and do it again.

00:59:13.397 --> 00:59:21.097
And then, so, um, you know, I, I, but I do think that every student of martial arts should compete.

00:59:21.317 --> 00:59:24.837
That's just my overall opinion. I think now you...

00:59:25.323 --> 00:59:27.823
People want time and grade, you know, they want to get promoted.

00:59:27.943 --> 00:59:29.023
They want to get the black belt.

00:59:29.263 --> 00:59:31.563
And then they're like, you know, I, for instance, I had this kid,

00:59:31.743 --> 00:59:34.983
he doesn't train with me anymore. He was like a passing through for, for college.

00:59:35.583 --> 00:59:39.743
And, uh, we had like a, a belt test where we basically make people fight each other.

00:59:39.843 --> 00:59:43.603
Cause I have to make them at least put them under some type of pressure and see how they perform.

00:59:43.803 --> 00:59:46.043
And then I'll put the magical piece of tape that says, you know,

00:59:46.103 --> 00:59:48.303
you're a little bit better at jujitsu. Right. So, boom.

00:59:48.723 --> 00:59:52.943
So, um, he's a, he's a white belt. And then I put the stripe on him and I was

00:59:52.943 --> 00:59:55.603
like, uh, you know, he comes up, he's a professor. I was like, yeah, what's up?

00:59:55.943 --> 00:59:59.843
He's like, am I really a white belt? I was like, isn't that what your color

00:59:59.843 --> 01:00:03.143
your belt is? He's like, yeah, but I was thinking I'd be like a blue belt, you know?

01:00:03.283 --> 01:00:06.083
I was like, oh, I was like, oh, you won a blue belt.

01:00:06.743 --> 01:00:10.303
So I was like, well, you know what? We have an in-house tournament in two weeks.

01:00:10.443 --> 01:00:13.583
If you compete in that and you win, maybe we consider something.

01:00:13.703 --> 01:00:17.603
He's like, no, no, no, you see my shoulder hurts. I can't do that. I was like, I see.

01:00:17.863 --> 01:00:23.163
You want me to give you a blue belt, literally give you a blue belt.

01:00:23.163 --> 01:00:24.883
You don't want to earn it, you know?

01:00:25.003 --> 01:00:28.223
And so therefore, like, I know people have a lot of things to do in their lives

01:00:28.223 --> 01:00:31.923
and they're not maybe unhealthy about martial art competition as we are.

01:00:32.023 --> 01:00:33.923
It's so healthy. Right? Right. Yeah.

01:00:34.523 --> 01:00:37.383
We could argue about that, right? We get maximum value out of what we do. Yeah.

01:00:37.523 --> 01:00:39.963
But then, you know, people don't even want to test themselves now.

01:00:40.063 --> 01:00:45.763
They just want to be, I showed up to enough classes, so give me the belt that I deserve.

01:00:46.243 --> 01:00:50.483
And I think that as stewards of the martial art, particularly Brazilian jiu-jitsu,

01:00:50.723 --> 01:00:55.183
like I would be doing it a disservice to move somebody up like that.

01:00:55.443 --> 01:00:57.643
And so therefore, I have to make them challenge themselves.

01:00:57.983 --> 01:01:02.343
As much as I am the great master of martial art, really, I'm just a guide.

01:01:02.483 --> 01:01:05.543
I'm just there being like, hey, well, think about this. Why don't you try this?

01:01:06.023 --> 01:01:08.763
And so therefore, I think there's a lot of value in it. Maybe you don't have

01:01:08.763 --> 01:01:13.363
to do it as much as we do, but I encourage everybody to test themselves. And I think...

01:01:13.945 --> 01:01:18.765
There's also, it can be very seductive as well, the standing on the podium and

01:01:18.765 --> 01:01:21.425
trying to do the thing. And that's where I try to be more like Ryu, you know?

01:01:21.725 --> 01:01:23.605
I don't know if you guys grew up with Street Fighter 2. Hell yeah.

01:01:23.605 --> 01:01:24.705
I definitely did, right?

01:01:24.945 --> 01:01:29.405
And when you beat Street Fighter 2, it just like, it cuts to this,

01:01:29.825 --> 01:01:34.385
with Ryu, there's a podium and it's empty.

01:01:34.505 --> 01:01:36.645
It just has like second and third place. And they're standing there like,

01:01:36.825 --> 01:01:39.805
where is he, you know? And he's like out there walking into the sunset.

01:01:39.805 --> 01:01:42.205
And he's like already on to the next challenge.

01:01:42.405 --> 01:01:46.185
Yeah. You know, he's like, he's like the, the, the medal or the ceremony means

01:01:46.185 --> 01:01:47.665
nothing. The fight is everything.

01:01:48.085 --> 01:01:51.005
Dude, that's amazing. Is that on the wall too?

01:01:51.205 --> 01:01:53.985
No, I want it to be. He made a post about it. That's a good, that's a, yeah.

01:01:54.125 --> 01:01:57.845
He made a post about that. It's like, it's one of the most inspirational endings

01:01:57.845 --> 01:02:01.245
to a 16-bit video game that I've ever played.

01:02:01.605 --> 01:02:04.925
Or, so I was like, man, that's, that's, that's how you should treat that.

01:02:05.065 --> 01:02:08.205
Like, don't worry about the medals, you know, you're in there and you learn

01:02:08.205 --> 01:02:09.565
more about yourself during the fight.

01:02:09.705 --> 01:02:13.225
And if you, you know, you fail, that's, it's okay. hey, it doesn't feel great,

01:02:13.265 --> 01:02:14.265
but at least you can learn from it.

01:02:14.305 --> 01:02:18.585
And that's where we learn as humans, I think, is failing and then trying again

01:02:18.585 --> 01:02:20.225
and figuring out a way around it, right?

01:02:20.365 --> 01:02:23.365
So, whereas a lot, this new generation, unfortunately.

01:02:24.289 --> 01:02:27.669
Is just like, I'm going to quit. Yeah, they just want it. And then they're going to quit.

01:02:27.829 --> 01:02:32.629
And so therefore, this is where martial art has even more value to this generation.

01:02:32.849 --> 01:02:36.889
I'm a firm believer that martial arts can change the world and it can save the world.

01:02:37.309 --> 01:02:40.769
And as much as it is competition, there's a lot of cooperation,

01:02:40.949 --> 01:02:43.629
right? You won't get to where you're going to be without the people on the mat.

01:02:43.849 --> 01:02:47.249
You're not going to have the experience you're going to have in competition

01:02:47.249 --> 01:02:48.609
without your opponent showing up.

01:02:48.729 --> 01:02:53.609
So we have to be respectful, respect that, be thankful, have gratitude for that

01:02:53.609 --> 01:02:56.289
and treat each all, everybody like brothers and sisters, you know,

01:02:56.369 --> 01:02:59.769
even though we might not be, might just be fighting for a piece of metal for

01:02:59.769 --> 01:03:01.649
five minutes, you know, no big deal.

01:03:01.869 --> 01:03:06.289
But, you know, you learn, it's, it's such a great vehicle for self-improvement

01:03:06.289 --> 01:03:09.929
that it needs to continue to be passed on, you know?

01:03:10.749 --> 01:03:14.969
And, and so therefore, like, I, that's why I encourage as many people who take

01:03:14.969 --> 01:03:19.509
that step of opening a school to try to be a positive influence as much as we can.

01:03:19.629 --> 01:03:22.069
You know, as I said, I, I doesn't make me a good person. I'm sitting here and

01:03:22.069 --> 01:03:25.089
I'm not saying like I'm on soapbox. I have a great person. Like you should be like me.

01:03:25.249 --> 01:03:28.409
I'm just saying like, I've, I've been to the other side. I've been on the dark side.

01:03:28.549 --> 01:03:31.329
It's better to be a Jedi, you know, walk.

01:03:31.469 --> 01:03:37.469
So let's just kind of guide you over here. But I cannot, I cannot not stop you from going there.

01:03:37.649 --> 01:03:41.869
You, maybe you have to go. I mean, like arguably Luke was almost there when

01:03:41.869 --> 01:03:42.809
he was about to slay his dad.

01:03:43.269 --> 01:03:47.149
Right. So, but he had to get there and be, and, and just be on the edge and

01:03:47.149 --> 01:03:49.649
then walk back and be like, man, I was there. I saw it.

01:03:49.749 --> 01:03:52.489
You know, I know, I know it's seductive. I've been there.

01:03:52.649 --> 01:03:56.289
And so therefore I think everybody has to, you know, do that for themselves.

01:03:56.609 --> 01:03:59.629
Uh, that is the only way you will, uh, you will know.

01:04:00.209 --> 01:04:02.769
So, yeah, yeah.

01:04:04.449 --> 01:04:09.689
Uh, yeah, man. And so you touched on it a little bit there about helping out other gym owners.

01:04:09.869 --> 01:04:14.469
Um, cause that's, I mean, that's a big part of who you are, what you do too, right?

01:04:14.569 --> 01:04:19.269
Like these guys who are opening up new gyms, um, and you know, like,

01:04:20.976 --> 01:04:23.396
We had a listener. We actually had a listener question about this.

01:04:25.676 --> 01:04:31.296
So they were asking about, you know, this mentorship and how you,

01:04:31.556 --> 01:04:35.416
I'm trying not to like screw up their words too much.

01:04:35.556 --> 01:04:38.356
Do the best you can. So that I still am asking the same question.

01:04:38.616 --> 01:04:40.716
Well, I just want to make sure I'm asking the same question.

01:04:41.236 --> 01:04:47.536
But so they were asking like how that line, you know, here come the fine lines again.

01:04:47.536 --> 01:04:51.476
But, um, you know, that line of mentorship and competition and how, like,

01:04:51.836 --> 01:04:56.856
you know, you're, you're helping, you know, how do you work that line of,

01:04:57.196 --> 01:05:00.016
Hey, I'm helping these other gyms, but we're, you know, there's still kind of

01:05:00.016 --> 01:05:04.496
like a, is there, I guess, as part of the question, is there still that level of competition?

01:05:04.496 --> 01:05:07.676
Like you're both competing for the same people like

01:05:07.676 --> 01:05:10.496
but also you know how how do you go

01:05:10.496 --> 01:05:13.556
past move past that right like uh stepping

01:05:13.556 --> 01:05:16.636
past the um the competitive nature

01:05:16.636 --> 01:05:22.616
of business to help these other people i i think you create your own market

01:05:22.616 --> 01:05:25.416
now we're talking about business right you create your own you create your own

01:05:25.416 --> 01:05:30.156
market you know so it's like uh you you have to tell people what you do why

01:05:30.156 --> 01:05:33.956
you're different and you're not necessarily competing i would say.

01:05:34.736 --> 01:05:38.356
Because, you know, all in all, we are trying to spread more martial art.

01:05:38.496 --> 01:05:40.916
And I think the more schools that are there, it's actually better,

01:05:41.216 --> 01:05:46.076
you know, because then you have a lot of choices and there's more talk about it.

01:05:46.196 --> 01:05:50.536
So I don't see people as, we don't necessarily have to be competitive.

01:05:51.056 --> 01:05:54.756
There's something I read about when you say, like most successful civilizations

01:05:54.756 --> 01:05:56.956
or empires, or let's just call them businesses in general.

01:05:57.076 --> 01:05:59.996
Like there's three things that make them very successful. One is cooperation.

01:06:00.016 --> 01:06:03.796
So learning how to cooperate once another, There is also competition in the

01:06:03.796 --> 01:06:05.456
sense that we're trying to be better.

01:06:06.753 --> 01:06:10.393
Signing people up and teaching jujitsu. And just because I'm doing it and you're

01:06:10.393 --> 01:06:12.213
doing it doesn't mean we have to be at odds with each other.

01:06:12.353 --> 01:06:15.333
We're just going to use that as ways to improve. I mean, you could take the

01:06:15.333 --> 01:06:16.913
metaphor of competition, right? You're in there.

01:06:17.013 --> 01:06:19.653
It's like, I don't have to make you quit jujitsu in order to,

01:06:19.893 --> 01:06:22.573
you know, that's not my goal. My goal is just like win this one exchange.

01:06:22.793 --> 01:06:25.153
And then maybe next time you might win, who knows? But anyways,

01:06:25.333 --> 01:06:28.493
we're both benefiting each other because we're both competing and trying to be better.

01:06:28.653 --> 01:06:30.633
So there's a lot of that. And the other one is just being open,

01:06:30.773 --> 01:06:32.113
you know, like open to new ideas.

01:06:32.693 --> 01:06:36.533
And so therefore like as you know business owners

01:06:36.533 --> 01:06:39.833
school owners it's important to be open to the idea of of

01:06:39.833 --> 01:06:43.233
like new ideas and that's where the mentorship comes in so i you know we run

01:06:43.233 --> 01:06:47.013
the i run the black belt syndicate which is basically in let's say an affiliation

01:06:47.013 --> 01:06:50.893
right and in that affiliation we also offer mentorship to small to growing businesses

01:06:50.893 --> 01:06:55.993
it could be jujitsu muay thai i'm really into more combat sports than i am in

01:06:55.993 --> 01:06:59.773
the karate realm um you know because i i love what we do.

01:06:59.933 --> 01:07:03.573
And so I think there's a way that we can do it that can get more people involved.

01:07:03.813 --> 01:07:06.093
And I'm sorry, your question again was like, is there?

01:07:06.713 --> 01:07:09.773
Yeah, it's just I think you pretty much answered it.

01:07:09.933 --> 01:07:15.553
I think there I think the only other portion of that is no, I think that answers the question.

01:07:15.733 --> 01:07:19.573
It was about competition, just competition. Like, how do you approach that?

01:07:19.713 --> 01:07:23.673
You know, like, is it there? Is it you know, how do you create maybe maybe it

01:07:23.673 --> 01:07:27.673
is? How do you make it productive, which it seems like you have a pathway for that.

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There's also a way of let's say you know the worst way

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to do it is if I steal if I leave the school that I'm at and I steal half the

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people and I open up like literally next door you know like but even though

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that happens that doesn't mean both school one has to fail it's like we just

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have to figure out a different way to do it like that's not preferable it does

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happen you know but but in any case I see.

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Combat sports, jujitsu, martial arts as a growing industry.

01:07:55.424 --> 01:07:59.024
It's not like there's less people doing it now, you know, where people are just dropping out.

01:07:59.144 --> 01:08:03.064
There's more people that are doing it. So with that logic, there should be more

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schools serving more people.

01:08:04.704 --> 01:08:08.884
You can only have so many people in one school, you know, as long as we have

01:08:08.884 --> 01:08:12.144
respect for one another and we do it right and try to help each other.

01:08:12.304 --> 01:08:15.584
I think that, you know, we can all get along and there's plenty to eat for everybody.

01:08:15.744 --> 01:08:19.844
Right. And then, you know, eventually you're going to create your own competition

01:08:19.844 --> 01:08:24.684
in the sense if you don't have a way for them to grow themselves, right?

01:08:24.824 --> 01:08:27.984
And so that's kind of where I'm at. I don't really have an interest in opening

01:08:27.984 --> 01:08:29.604
multiple schools. Like right now I have,

01:08:30.159 --> 01:08:33.999
the largest school in Washington, D.C., you'd say like 675. We're trying to

01:08:33.999 --> 01:08:36.779
get to 750. I think that's going to be our cap, maybe 800.

01:08:37.039 --> 01:08:40.919
But my experience with more people comes more drama and more things you have

01:08:40.919 --> 01:08:44.619
to deal with. And it's like a daycare, you know, unfortunately, it just is.

01:08:45.059 --> 01:08:49.639
So that's kind of where we're at. But, you know, people come through our academy.

01:08:49.759 --> 01:08:54.699
That's what we have. So we are essentially training our own trainers through there.

01:08:54.819 --> 01:08:58.359
If you come through our program, you can eventually teach. And that's also part

01:08:58.359 --> 01:09:02.579
of becoming a good martial artist is to learn something well is you have to

01:09:02.579 --> 01:09:03.799
be able to teach somebody else, right?

01:09:03.879 --> 01:09:07.419
So that's kind of I think a requirement for somebody to get a black belt.

01:09:07.519 --> 01:09:10.119
You have to be able to show somebody and be able to articulate and express like

01:09:10.119 --> 01:09:12.079
what it is to another person, this technique.

01:09:13.659 --> 01:09:17.599
And so therefore, where do they go after that? You know, you can only be on

01:09:17.599 --> 01:09:22.759
the mat 40, 60 hours a day, a week for like so many years before you're like,

01:09:22.819 --> 01:09:23.739
okay, what's next for me?

01:09:24.119 --> 01:09:26.219
You know, some people want to do that, but some people want to move on and do

01:09:26.219 --> 01:09:30.019
their own thing. So if you don't give them an option, then they just open the car across next door.

01:09:30.099 --> 01:09:33.079
It's like, hey, well, now let's figure out, like, how can we grow jujitsu?

01:09:33.139 --> 01:09:34.099
How can we grow Muay Thai?

01:09:34.199 --> 01:09:37.279
How can we grow MMA? Well, maybe you open over here and I support you.

01:09:37.399 --> 01:09:40.859
And so therefore, you know, we can figure that out. Because at the same time,

01:09:40.879 --> 01:09:46.739
I'm sure there's been a lot of things that I've experienced that I can help you avoid, you know.

01:09:46.999 --> 01:09:49.599
Maybe sometimes you have to experience them. But at the same time,

01:09:49.759 --> 01:09:54.119
I can make sure you avoid some of the major things that might get you to stop

01:09:54.119 --> 01:09:56.579
doing what you're doing. because I've been doing this for,

01:09:57.265 --> 01:10:00.285
The school's been, this is their 17th year. So I've seen a lot.

01:10:00.425 --> 01:10:03.085
I've seen a lot. I've seen, you know, one of the rules we have in our school

01:10:03.085 --> 01:10:05.085
is you can't date the students.

01:10:05.365 --> 01:10:09.285
That's a good rule. That's the number one rule. This is a good,

01:10:09.405 --> 01:10:12.665
this is the pathway to getting fired, you know?

01:10:12.885 --> 01:10:16.265
But it doesn't mean you have to leave. It just means you just can't teach here

01:10:16.265 --> 01:10:18.065
anymore because you can't control yourself.

01:10:18.665 --> 01:10:22.905
But there has been a few unicorns, you know, where you marry the person that

01:10:22.905 --> 01:10:26.585
you got with. And that has happened a few times. So I won't say it never happens.

01:10:27.265 --> 01:10:30.805
But I do get upset when it, you know, when I hear about it, um,

01:10:31.165 --> 01:10:36.725
you know, unfortunately my roommate one time, he was an instructor there and he did that.

01:10:36.845 --> 01:10:40.885
And then we had to basically fight every day for like a week and it was terrible.

01:10:40.885 --> 01:10:42.825
And it was like full contact, like on.

01:10:42.945 --> 01:10:45.525
And so I felt bad about it at the end of the day, but you know,

01:10:45.645 --> 01:10:50.465
um, it just, it's not, a lot of bad things can come from it.

01:10:50.685 --> 01:10:54.565
You know, you look at our jujitsu community or our internet feed right now,

01:10:54.725 --> 01:10:58.265
it's about like, you know, sexual assault and things that are happening in our

01:10:58.265 --> 01:11:01.305
community. And a lot of that comes from that boundary, you know,

01:11:01.345 --> 01:11:02.345
and that goes for women too.

01:11:02.465 --> 01:11:04.425
Women are like, Oh, you know, it doesn't apply to me. I'm like,

01:11:04.445 --> 01:11:07.125
if you're a woman coach and you're still hitting on the dudes in class,

01:11:07.245 --> 01:11:09.045
like, yeah, that's not allowed.

01:11:09.225 --> 01:11:13.425
That's no, the rule still applies to you, you know, but, uh,

01:11:13.465 --> 01:11:16.165
I think the position of authority that you have or like the,

01:11:16.205 --> 01:11:18.845
the perceived power that you have that you're, you know,

01:11:19.125 --> 01:11:22.565
control your, your, your, uh, running in the class, you're leading the class,

01:11:22.705 --> 01:11:26.905
puts you in this, you know, rock star state that,

01:11:27.567 --> 01:11:30.487
people want to get with you. And then after they do, they realize you're not

01:11:30.487 --> 01:11:31.707
as cool as they thought you were.

01:11:31.887 --> 01:11:35.787
So like, oh man, you're kind of loose. Yeah. What did I do?

01:11:36.987 --> 01:11:41.547
That happens. And then it's like, oh, I'm not going to hang out in here at this class anymore.

01:11:41.707 --> 01:11:44.387
Or maybe I'm going to be in this class after I broke up with you and now your

01:11:44.387 --> 01:11:47.287
day's shit, you know? And then, and then I'm like, well, Hey,

01:11:47.607 --> 01:11:49.647
you know, that that's, you did that.

01:11:49.767 --> 01:11:52.687
You can still got to show up to work just because your girlfriend is no longer

01:11:52.687 --> 01:11:54.327
your girlfriend. It's not my problem.

01:11:54.867 --> 01:11:57.587
So yeah anyway that's a one of the rules so

01:11:57.587 --> 01:12:00.467
there you go just there's some some basic stuff that i'm sure that

01:12:00.467 --> 01:12:03.347
um everybody already knows but some people sometimes don't follow that

01:12:03.347 --> 01:12:06.287
was a little a little sample of the mentorship yeah

01:12:06.287 --> 01:12:09.507
yeah yeah i like don't bang your students it's a

01:12:09.507 --> 01:12:15.427
kind of a it's a no-brainer but it has to be said yes yeah just in case based

01:12:15.427 --> 01:12:21.227
on how frequently it comes up uh around the community it definitely not this

01:12:21.227 --> 01:12:27.467
community but it comes up way more frequently than it should so obviously people need to hear it um.

01:12:28.269 --> 01:12:32.769
Well, yeah. I mean, you got anything else for us, Nack, before we start wrapping

01:12:32.769 --> 01:12:33.969
up here? You got any more?

01:12:34.769 --> 01:12:38.069
No, no. I mean, I appreciate the time, guys. Like, as I said,

01:12:38.149 --> 01:12:42.229
I think martial arts has the power to change the world.

01:12:42.329 --> 01:12:45.449
We got to get as many people into martial arts as possible, you know,

01:12:45.509 --> 01:12:48.629
and therefore we have to be a good representative as well. And I think,

01:12:48.729 --> 01:12:52.149
like, you guys are great guys to hang out with. Oh, thanks. You know, yeah.

01:12:52.369 --> 01:12:54.429
We can get into some way, and I'd love to come on again.

01:12:55.189 --> 01:12:58.849
We can get real deep into it, you know. all the stuff about like who they are

01:12:58.849 --> 01:13:00.409
that run the world and conspiracy theories and stuff like that.

01:13:00.409 --> 01:13:03.629
I got a guy who will definitely want to do that with me. Let's go. His name's Tim.

01:13:03.889 --> 01:13:08.769
Oh, yes. He would love to win. As a matter of fact, we trade books all the time, me and Tim.

01:13:08.909 --> 01:13:11.469
Yeah, we're like, hey, read this book. You're like, what'd you think about that?

01:13:11.569 --> 01:13:14.469
You know, he brings stuff to me all the time. I think Tim and Nax should be

01:13:14.469 --> 01:13:17.989
the first Fighters Drinking Whiskey episode.

01:13:18.129 --> 01:13:19.189
There you go. He's not going to

01:13:19.189 --> 01:13:21.829
drink the whiskey, but I'm going to put a cowboy hat on his head, though.

01:13:22.089 --> 01:13:24.469
Yeah, I mean, you know, figuring out what happens. It's really more about the...

01:13:24.469 --> 01:13:26.749
It's the vibe. It's the vibe. I agree. Yeah. I agree.

01:13:27.009 --> 01:13:29.549
Honestly, if we're going to put you and Tim, then we won't have to say anything.

01:13:30.069 --> 01:13:32.389
That's good. I'm just going to run on it. We're just going to sit here.

01:13:32.509 --> 01:13:35.709
I love this. As soon as the conversation slows down, I'll just throw some grenades.

01:13:35.889 --> 01:13:36.569
And I'm like, here's the thing.

01:13:36.789 --> 01:13:38.229
Talk about these. Talk about these conspiracy theories. Well,

01:13:38.229 --> 01:13:40.849
what do you think about this? You haven't said anything about giants yet.

01:13:42.389 --> 01:13:46.209
What about that beanstalk thing? You guys don't know about giants,

01:13:46.309 --> 01:13:47.689
man. You guys are... Whatever.

01:13:47.989 --> 01:13:50.929
We'll definitely do a conspiracy theory episode again. I like you.

01:13:50.929 --> 01:13:52.469
Let's do it. Let's do it. Thanks guys. Thanks for having me on.

01:13:52.569 --> 01:13:53.789
It was a blast. Appreciate you.

01:13:54.009 --> 01:13:58.389
Yeah. Thanks for coming on, man. That was fighters drinking coffee. That was NACAPAN.

01:13:58.889 --> 01:14:00.709
And, uh, you know, you know,

01:14:01.136 --> 01:14:03.516
Where can they find you? And then I'll get into the other stuff.

01:14:03.696 --> 01:14:08.956
Oh, yeah. You can find me on all my socials. You know, I post every day on Instagram, knockuponmma.

01:14:09.276 --> 01:14:11.436
You can find me on YouTube at knockupon.

01:14:11.996 --> 01:14:14.176
I'm surprised you didn't ask me about the semen retention question.

01:14:14.276 --> 01:14:17.296
I get that all along. Oh, dude, well, next time. We can talk about it later.

01:14:17.436 --> 01:14:19.276
To be honest with you, I didn't think about your semen.

01:14:20.276 --> 01:14:22.816
I know. Weird, right? It's kind of a weird. It's a mystical thing.

01:14:22.976 --> 01:14:24.836
It's like you get to the next level.

01:14:24.996 --> 01:14:26.796
You need to open up your boob. Yeah, you're right. What was I thinking about

01:14:26.796 --> 01:14:28.016
that? That's the next episode.

01:14:28.176 --> 01:14:31.316
Now I feel disrespectful, not asking. We'll do a full thing on it.

01:14:31.456 --> 01:14:34.576
That should be our first question for most guys. Let's talk about their loads.

01:14:37.536 --> 01:14:42.896
You can find me on social media, Instagram, Facebook, TikTok, all that good stuff.

01:14:43.536 --> 01:14:47.236
And yeah, reach out. And I love to connect with everybody. Hell yeah,

01:14:47.276 --> 01:14:51.396
man. So that was Nakapan. Nakapan. I've been saying it wrong this whole time. Fuck.

01:14:52.336 --> 01:14:55.816
Nakapan. Thank you for coming on. This was Fighters Drinking Coffee.

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