(Ep 46) Is Jiu-Jitsu Star Wars, or Does It Take Itself Too Seriously?

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Welcome back to Fighters Drinking Coffee.

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On today's episode, we are going to talk about, does jujitsu and all of us involved

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take ourselves too seriously?

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So, we hinted at this on the last episode, but...

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There's really two schools of jiu-jitsu, and they each have their leader or their president.

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So you have kind of like the super serious, macho school of thought, right?

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Like you have that sect, I guess would be a better way of putting it.

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And then you also have the guys who are silly, understand that we roll around

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on the ground. with the, I'm giving away my bias.

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Uh, but you know, you have like, you kind of have a sillier little more,

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um, you know, having fun with it, making fun of it sect as well.

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And you might think you fall in the middle, but you don't, you're one or the

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other, even like, even all the down, like top level competitors,

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all the way down to the hobbyist who's just starting.

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You all fall into one of these eventually, if you haven't already.

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Um, and you know, you have the guys are in it for the memes.

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You have the guys that are who scream and slap the mad and all that.

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If they lose, um, rip their shirts off, like, which is all well and good,

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whatever, do your thing.

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But there's two different sex, right? You have, you have both of these,

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these two different sets of jujitsu.

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They're warring tribes at the top, maybe not the rest of the way down, but.

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In case you don't know, I'm talking specifically about Gordon Ryan and Craig

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Jones, the major feud in jiu-jitsu that's been building for years at this point.

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The figureheads of culture.

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Yeah, I mean, they're pretty much the, I don't know, the biggest,

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most, at least the most visible people in jiu-jitsu at this point.

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You know, Gordon Ryan's touting around...

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Politicians and you know yes so you

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have like and then craig jones is making just the

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most outrageous ads going to orgies and like mongolia

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and columbia oh just all over the world all over

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the world i think that's what you were alluding to

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you're saying like there's the serious guys and there's the silly guys

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yeah there's serious guys and there's silly guys and like it i

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don't think that throughout the rest of the sport it's

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as like head bashing like

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you know they're not running into each other and having gang wars but

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like at the top it's like a full-on you know i

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think at the top of the sport it's a little more of like a confrontation than

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it is throughout the rest of it but like there's two different levels dude

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i've i've like i've like asked people about this i like wonder if when

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those bros originally were all under dana her

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and um and they were still kind of like seemingly cohesive

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coming out of new york uh before they went

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to puerto rico before they came and eventually landed in texas like

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i wonder like if they have like a board meeting with

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donna who's like the mastermind who's like dude you know what this you know

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what we all need because you guys are all big names now and craig and gordon

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being the main ones but the rest of the team pretty big too he's like what if

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we manufacture some controversy like wwf style like wrestling i still wonder

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to this day i'm like if they're all homies and they're just like yo let's.

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Make some beef for fun so the internet has something to talk about.

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Do you like that dumb shit? I like the WWE reference, but I was You think it's real?

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I was looking back. It's probably a little bit of column A and a little bit

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of column B. I think you're onto something here.

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I want to build this theory up real quick because I like it.

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I like this conspiracy theory.

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I'm sure they could have easily they're both like I mean, I don't know for sure

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but I gotta think they're like well positioned enough each of them individually

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making some money like doing all right pretty sure of themselves that they don't

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need to continue to do this bullshit so i'm sure that they've,

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they continue to fan the flames because they know people are going to watch

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us, man. People watch us, we get paid.

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People are buying Street X stuff.

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People are signing up for all this. You run with it. You run with something.

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Well, so I was imagining when you're setting that stage, I like the WWE reference,

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but for some reason in my head, I think it's just because Donahoe makes me think of Emperor Palpatine.

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Star Wars analogy. I saw like, we're going to talk the prequel trilogy, Okay, okay.

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Which I guess is also a little bit of a... I can talk Star Wars.

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Well, is this a good... This is the Star Wars episode. It could be.

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It might be a little bit. At least this is a Star Wars segment for sure.

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All right, let's do it. I like it. So Palpatine.

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So Donahue's like the Palpatine just because he looks like him,

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but also that's like the figurehead of that whole like... Damn son.

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You call him Sith Lords? Oh, yes.

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You think he's a Sith Lord? And then like, you know, he has like...

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You then, you know, he had the, he was playing two sides, right?

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He had like the two different.

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He's so calm on the side of the matter. He looks like he could be a Jedi on

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the council, but you're saying Sith Lord. He was a Sith Lord,

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man. He was, you know, he's got all the power.

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He's pretending to be a member of normal society. Okay. I could see it.

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He doesn't only wear rash guards. We have. And a fanny pack.

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And a fanny pack. Something, something's up. We haven't even gotten through

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the first three movies yet, guys.

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We're still, we're still pre, we're still pre Fall of the Republic right now. Okay.

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Okay. Uh, so, you know, he's manufacturing cause he, he's playing the one side,

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but then he manufactures the whole like division trade war, right?

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Like he creates the separatists and he's like, he's running that show with all

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of his people, but he's pretending to be the good guy.

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I guess in this scenario, like Craig Jones is the, is like Darth Maul or Count

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Dooku, I guess. Okay. We'll pick one. Which one is he?

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Uh, he's, he, I say Maul. Let's say Maul. Yeah. We'll go with Maul.

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He's, you know, he's got the pink hair right now.

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You know, it's like he's fighting on the... I guess he'd be more like on the Count Dooku side.

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He's the figurehead of the Separatist movement as the Sith Lord. Oh, okay.

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So he would be Count Dooku, because Darth Maul was just a soldier.

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So, like, we're in the Clone Wars right now, guys. We're about Clone Wars?

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We're in the Clone Wars. All right.

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But so Count Dooku, right? So, like, that's Craig Jones. And then I guess...

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I guess that makes Gordon Ryan Anakin. I don't know.

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Oh, interesting. So, like, they're all the Sith, right? That's the only way

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that this analogy works for me, I guess.

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Let's go with it. So, like, they're all really just, they're all Donahue's Sith apprentices.

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Do you know who, is there an Obi-Wan Kenobi perhaps in this?

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There just might be. Well, I don't want to derail you. I'll figure it out while

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I'm building this scenario. I might think of one.

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I mean, there has to be a Yoda. yoda's probably hickson

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or something nice right like that he's just

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i don't know but i guess he's uh you know maybe i'm i'll

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i'll he seems not involved in it so like that might

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not work but i don't know uh we

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have to have a yoda so maybe we'll go with that i

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will we're building we're working work with this guys you're

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on something here but so you know like i that's

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they're but they're manufacturing it i think that's like kind of what we're

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getting at is like your idea of them manufacturing question my question was

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like all right how much of this is like authentic versus and i don't think it's

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zero percent authentic um but how much of it is just now a game i think it's

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definitely a game it's definitely a game of like hey when's the next thing that like,

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craig can like throw a gordon wins the next and then gordon can throw back at

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craig so what i really like like the posts and the content and like ai or ai

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well maybe ai but like instagram jiu-jitsu is like it's a thing now it's a big

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thing jiu-jitsu doesn't operate in any of like the traditional media channels

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like no one on espn is talking about jiu-jitsu yet one day but like.

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It's this all is it's all like user community driven like noise so like they're

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kind of like they're at the center of all of it and like they're creating like

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the content yeah for this you know like i guess cultural content i don't know

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what to call it like the pop culture,

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they're at the center of like all of it so to me it just seems like,

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And if they can continue to produce the noise and the volume,

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they basically control the entire narrative of like jujitsu pop culture lore. Well, yeah. I mean.

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Am I wrong? I don't know. I mean, like that's actually like.

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No, the way they monetize it is tutorials.

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And then they make money off of tutorials and I don't know. Oh,

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yeah. Maybe some Instagram fucking content.

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One wrench in my description is that.

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Well, kind of, but one doesn't know, like, in that Star Wars buildup,

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that framework I'm creating, Count Dooku doesn't know that Anakin is becoming

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his replacement until he gets killed, right?

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So, like, that's the only— What does that mean, an absolute direct correlation?

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That's the only, like, slight flaw in my thing, but it's fine.

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They, you know, whatever.

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But Anakin doesn't know that Palpatine is running the other side.

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So like maybe gordon ryan's not in on

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the not in on the the swindle like

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he doesn't know that like craig jones is still part of

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the community or whatever yeah like buddy buddy like don her

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is like still backing it you know like sounder is

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actually raking in his cut of b team the whole

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time he's getting that street x money in his back pocket he

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i mean he loves rash guards man why wouldn't why

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wouldn't he want some rash guard money well i would imagine he's got so

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many rash guards it's good to go but uh

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but but yeah true i'm i'm i'm okay i'm tracking

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do you think his whole closet is

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just a bunch of rash guards hung up well what else would it be and then he's

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got a few selections of fanny packs i definitely think he has his like i i bet

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you he's got so many fanny packs he probably is like this is my top my favorite

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is this one this is my my like nice fanny pack for like red carpet adjacent

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things um got the day-to-day one yeah it's like Do you have your favorite pair of socks?

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Yeah. Do you tear out your socks? Like, tier one socks, tier two socks?

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I've got... Yes, you... Wow.

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I'm rocking my caddyshack. Yeah.

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Well, you get the idea. It's sort

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of like, you're like, oh, these are his favorite pants, favorite socks.

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He's got favorite fanny pack and favorite rash guard series for sure.

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Oh, I mean, I imagine his morning is...

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I like this sidetrack.

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I imagine his morning is... like a 90s movie goes into his.

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Absurdly enormous night uh walk-in closet

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yeah it's like yeah walk-in closet and like but

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instead of ties on a tie rack it's just all of

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his fanny packs and then sure he's got his his all of his uh rash guards hung

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up and then you know we kind of type i imagine they're all tear away i think

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he has options too but it'd be it'd be fucking nice if he had like a steve job

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singer it's like this the same color and the same exact one he's like i just

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you know reducing my choices on a day-to-day basis.

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You don't want to think, this is like Mark Zuckerberg does this apparently,

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where it's like he wears the same outfit because it's like, then my executive

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function isn't impacted by another decision because all I do is make decisions. Anyways.

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He just has 18 different black rash guards.

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I like it. No, I think he has variety. But nonetheless, okay, so.

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So, I like it. I mean, hey, why wouldn't they be, like why wouldn't this be some mastermind thing?

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It all does. I mean, there's a very specific point of when everything,

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you know, when the division occurs and it's all Puerto Rico, right?

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Puerto Rico. Yeah, dude. I don't know. I don't pay that close attention to it.

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Was it Puerto Rico or was it Costa Rica?

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It was Puerto Rico. It was Puerto Rico, right? But, yeah. But,

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like, that's, like, they split up when they, right?

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The division, that's when the, that's the moment of.

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Well, my reason for thinking it was, like, manufactured, I would imagine, like,

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I mean, a while back they probably saw the red the

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tea leaves and they're like craig's big enough on his own gordon john gary they're

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very tight-knit um and they're gonna eventually like it makes sense to each

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kind of have their lane craig's craig's you know immigrated the united states

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he's from he's from australia right so he's probably like yo man like i came

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over here like i need to like build my own wealth you know i want to like.

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Get my own kind of like spread my wings a little bit.

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So just, they probably saw it coming up to the extent that, I mean,

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let's have fun with this.

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Like if it was all manufactured, like, I mean, I think, um, manufactured or

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not the, uh, each, these guys have in their own lane just seems like a logical, obvious duh.

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Like eventually this dude's going to need to get his own thing going here.

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Now, you know, he opens B team and there's a group of dudes to go with them, right?

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Like, you know the part of that squad that uh

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was all real tight-knit at one point and they're all working together splinters

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off with him that that that's that kind of gets to where like

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i could kind of see what you're saying being like an authentic like a cultural

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divide and like one with this guy and this

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guy's with me or so on and so forth and they split and all that shit um

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because that stuff happens but um it

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does it happens and um so therefore

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like it could probably be organic but also like there's just

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a little bit of both i definitely think at this

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point with like just the continue because how many years ago was that that

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was like pandemic shit was like five or six years ago yeah i mean that that

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all was like i went to i visited b team like three years ago man i was gonna

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say and they had been open for a couple years it's like a four or five year

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thing right like that this has happened and like for the silly shit on the internet

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to continue for that long it's like they're definitely i think they definitely

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now are both like all right man when's the next thing coming and they'll look

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for an opportunity like sweet dude post post Post, repost.

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Oh, no, this one's a cuck. Oh, no, this guy's gay.

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But they're just going to keep posting shit every day. They know.

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They know now. It's just – literally, I think they both know it's a game. It's the game.

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They're internet masters, by the way. There's a lot of things.

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Troll masters. This is a conspiracy episode now. There's a lot of things that

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line up with that divide too.

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Look at the exponential growth of jiu-jitsu.

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It really starts around the time that like that storyline, right?

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Like that's, this is just like straight up WWE story building shit,

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but like they create that divide. And now like the one that stable got broken

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up into two stables and they're warring factions now.

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And it didn't really exist yet. Cause like, it was just Donaher's guys just were the guys, right?

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Like before now they split up. now they have these

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two groups that are like vying to be the best and

00:15:02.110 --> 00:15:04.950
like it's created this now

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there's actually like a fight for number one versus and so

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and then like all of that's led to this pretty big growth and like creating

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more spectator jiu-jitsu and like people there's more eyes on it like they're

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still the events are still roughly the same but like it's all kind of consolidated

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and now we have like ufc's getting into the game and like there's just so much more of it.

00:15:27.730 --> 00:15:34.290
And like that storyline kind of is around all of it. Like we're like it's connected.

00:15:34.810 --> 00:15:36.850
That's all connected. You're like Charlie.

00:15:38.530 --> 00:15:46.270
I got my red lines. They're all somehow like Craig Jones has he touches it.

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Gordon Ryan touches it. Like everything their fingerprints are all over it.

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They got personalities man.

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And they're like interesting and like wild personalities. And I think.

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To on this thread like i think they know they're like hey we're all like we're

00:16:00.502 --> 00:16:03.842
all going to be going out and competing in jiu-jitsu all the time and like why

00:16:03.842 --> 00:16:06.122
not also make it entertaining.

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And give people like more of a reason to watch and to like be interested in

00:16:12.162 --> 00:16:17.322
this shit so it's like they do this stuff like i said there's no tmz slash espn

00:16:17.322 --> 00:16:21.182
for jiu-jitsu right it's just is instagram is that it is what that is maybe

00:16:21.182 --> 00:16:24.802
tiktok i don't fuck around with tiktok so yeah i don't But I bet it is too. Probably.

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But the gram, or how about, we'll just say internet.

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Internet is the TMZ and ESPN for this world, right?

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So they're just filling, they're providing the content of like silliness and like.

00:16:39.082 --> 00:16:42.142
Well, and like it's almost self-reported, right? Like they're like, yeah.

00:16:42.462 --> 00:16:46.322
That's, that's, YouTube too. We'll say internet's, yeah, like internet is,

00:16:46.502 --> 00:16:49.422
that is the, that's the mechanism for them to be like, yo, like, all right.

00:16:49.502 --> 00:16:52.702
Like we've been doing this. We've been stoking this weird little controversy

00:16:52.702 --> 00:16:56.062
for like three, five, six, seven years or whatever now.

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And like I said, these guys are all still competitive athletes and they know

00:17:00.282 --> 00:17:03.522
they're going to be competing anyways. But like when the next big thing comes around, like...

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You know? And like you said, the, the, the community of jujitsu seems to be growing.

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It is growing. But I think when people get in, like, it's like any good cult,

00:17:12.521 --> 00:17:15.181
like give them some, give them something to kind of sink their teeth into.

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So when people get like nerd out on jujitsu, it's like some new dude signs up at a gym in January.

00:17:18.861 --> 00:17:20.641
And like within three months, he's like got the rash guards.

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He slapped the BJJ on his Instagram handle. He's like, I'm in man.

00:17:23.381 --> 00:17:25.341
Fuck yeah. And then he starts looking at the algorithm. He's like,

00:17:25.421 --> 00:17:26.701
Ooh, what is this? Who are these guys?

00:17:27.221 --> 00:17:30.281
What the fuck is this? What did I just, what am I involved in now?

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He adds it. He adds BJJ to his algorithm.

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And that's cool, man. We talk about that shit all the time. That's great. That's great.

00:17:39.681 --> 00:17:43.281
Well, this dude, now his weekends are spent. Instead of going out to brunch

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and happy hour, he's going to open mats and he's going to watch UFC fights or

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jiu-jitsu matches with his buddies.

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He's got a new friends group. What are the friends group talking about?

00:17:51.541 --> 00:17:52.341
They're talking about this dumb shit.

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Now they're all watching it. It does make sense. I think they're smart enough.

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I think Emperor Palpatine knows. I think he's wise enough to be like, dude, do it. Do more. Do.

00:18:01.461 --> 00:18:05.481
Do it. Go, go, go, go, go. Well, and if we're going to go, if we're going to also do the, uh.

00:18:05.901 --> 00:18:09.781
I think it's definitely WWE. Yeah, it's, it's, this is Attitude Era.

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We have. Yeah. We have. We have.

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We have Degeneration X. What was that criminals and sex criminals and shit?

00:18:16.123 --> 00:18:19.723
We've got Degeneration X. Now, dude. Degeneration X on one side.

00:18:20.223 --> 00:18:23.703
We've got- NWO. Yeah, you've got New World Order. You've got like,

00:18:23.883 --> 00:18:25.943
you know, we've got WCW, ECW.

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Like, everyone's fighting to, because they're just going to unite all at the

00:18:29.163 --> 00:18:31.823
end anyways. And you've got the corporation, right?

00:18:31.923 --> 00:18:37.423
So we've got the Rock, who I'm going to just say, like the Rock and Vince McMahon, right?

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That was, that was, he was, that's who he was aligned with. He was aligned with

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the corporation at the time. Okay, okay.

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Um, so like Gordon Ryan would be the rock in this scenario. Cause we're making

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down to her, the man, man.

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All right. I don't know. He's the one masterminding it. Let's run with it.

00:18:54.383 --> 00:18:57.503
He's if he's masterminding it, he has to be a man for sure.

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So like attitude air, we've got, we've got Gordon Ryan is like his,

00:19:01.603 --> 00:19:05.883
his like trophy, you know, his, his golden, golden horse, right. He's golden pony.

00:19:06.083 --> 00:19:10.203
He's the one running his show. And then like Craig Jones and his band of misfits

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is like just trying to Fuck shit up. Oh, they're DX. Best DX. Yeah.

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With their crazy hair.

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That's quite a lot of praise to give those guys. Call them DX.

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DX was the shit. I mean, I don't know.

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No, I mean, I'm fine with it. I'm just saying, like, I mean,

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that's, okay, cool. I mean, they're not in WO.

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We're using WWF. At the time, WWF. WWE. We're using that.

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Yeah, that works. Let's go with it. Yeah. Let's go with it. So,

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like, I'm just saying, like, those were the two sex at the time.

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You had like you had the stable that was representing what would that be okay

00:19:43.543 --> 00:19:46.643
well hold on for a second here would that be like if the people like the IBGF

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guys are like the WCW group and then like the ADCC slash like no-gi guys,

00:19:51.743 --> 00:19:56.543
Donaher those bros that's WWF classic WWF now I'm trying to draw like a,

00:19:57.124 --> 00:20:00.404
paradigm analogy oh we're building like the different organizations yeah

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like the the lore on the ibgf side that's like when you watch

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like hollywood hulk and the nwl bros like on

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wednesdays or something and then on monday for raw you're like well i'm

00:20:09.084 --> 00:20:12.084
watching adcc tonight and that's donnaher and these boys and

00:20:12.084 --> 00:20:14.784
they're hitting each other and this one's like he called him

00:20:14.784 --> 00:20:17.604
a cock didn't you have all the there's some shit like that

00:20:17.604 --> 00:20:20.324
he just slapped him across the face well i mean like the

00:20:20.324 --> 00:20:23.104
wwf like those guys definitely leaned really hard into like

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sex and like crazy lifestyle shit yeah i

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mean not that nwo i didn't but like that's what i associate looking back when

00:20:28.824 --> 00:20:32.364
we were kids by the way which was so funny nwo

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was the the group that was like the that was

00:20:35.224 --> 00:20:38.024
hollywood hulk that was scott hall that was uh it was all the it was all the

00:20:38.024 --> 00:20:43.744
wcw guys that came to wwe kevin nash who so like that was like the the takeover

00:20:43.744 --> 00:20:47.204
yeah well they basically tried to copy the dx thing and it worked i liked it

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i'm just saying it's two different organizations that's all I'm saying well

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it was it was when we don't need to get into it.

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But no it's when they don't know this shit by now then they're not really like

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they're not gonna learn it we're building too we're building too many backstories

00:21:00.564 --> 00:21:04.244
for a different backstory we gotta we gotta reign it in fair enough I need to

00:21:04.244 --> 00:21:05.864
reign it in yeah reign it in bro you did this,

00:21:06.764 --> 00:21:12.344
but yeah I may have led you to it but you creating a monster yeah but so but like,

00:21:12.884 --> 00:21:17.284
you know there's you have like the guy who's orchestrating all of it who has

00:21:17.284 --> 00:21:22.404
his own stable that's represented to the audience. I'm happy he's doing it. And then, I mean, hey.

00:21:22.924 --> 00:21:25.504
I think he's doing a good job. Way to go, Donahue. Yeah, he's doing a great job.

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Orchestrating the best thing to happen in jujitsu pop culture,

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I guess. And if you're not doing it...

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You deserve, you seem like you could do it. We're giving you credit.

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It is a compliment, yeah. We're just saying, this is the best thing to happen

00:21:40.592 --> 00:21:44.192
to jiu-jitsu since UFC won. It's not bad.

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It is silly. It's like, I think we started this conversation off talking about

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if shit was too serious or not.

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I don't think it's that serious. It's not that serious. If this is real, it's not that serious.

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Or at least apparently we're on one side. Here's the thing. Here's the thing.

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It's not real. No.

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And the way I'll say it like this it's not real if you're into jiu-jitsu and

00:22:07.972 --> 00:22:11.972
this is like you care a ton about this shit you're kind of a silly goose and

00:22:11.972 --> 00:22:15.212
that's okay I guess it's better than having no interest in life,

00:22:16.172 --> 00:22:19.752
be invested in this stuff and have fun with it because there are worse things

00:22:19.752 --> 00:22:23.212
you could be into you could be into like I don't know drugs and weird shit but

00:22:23.212 --> 00:22:27.232
you're into martial arts bizarre subcultures.

00:22:28.332 --> 00:22:31.332
Better than nothing drugs and weird shit comes into play in this though,

00:22:31.972 --> 00:22:35.992
Uh, yeah, I suppose. Yeah, I mean, if it falls right into it.

00:22:36.132 --> 00:22:40.712
Yeah, I suppose so. Frank Jones is out there pushing that Colombian Bam Bam on. Is he really?

00:22:40.832 --> 00:22:44.812
Not actually selling it, but it's a part of his character. There's an implication.

00:22:45.452 --> 00:22:49.552
He's implying that he does a lot of coke, guys. There's an implication.

00:22:50.332 --> 00:22:52.872
Yeah. It's implied. Implied coke. It's an implication.

00:22:53.852 --> 00:22:56.092
It's part of the character. It's part of his gimmick. Seriously,

00:22:56.152 --> 00:22:58.552
it is. It's part of his gimmick. It's definitely part of his gimmick. Yeah.

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Yeah, a thousand percent. so this you know does jujitsu

00:23:01.772 --> 00:23:04.592
take itself too seriously we're gonna revise this right now

00:23:04.592 --> 00:23:07.292
does jujitsu take itself seriously it's really just the

00:23:07.292 --> 00:23:10.172
wwe slash star wars uh for sure

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yes star wars and world wrestling federation or entertainment

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yes that for sure man i'm gonna i can't

00:23:16.892 --> 00:23:19.632
i can't take it seriously i can't take all that shit you kind of

00:23:19.632 --> 00:23:22.832
can't like i'll glance at it it's fun it's

00:23:22.832 --> 00:23:27.212
almost the memes and the content are pretty good oh it's the jujitsu memes are

00:23:27.212 --> 00:23:32.552
fun they're fun like they're even like super small level i'm gonna shout this

00:23:32.552 --> 00:23:39.972
guy out because i think he's funny uh there's this guy called it's da boat bjj okay he like,

00:23:40.632 --> 00:23:45.872
So he kind of popped up around, like, right after CJI, like,

00:23:45.932 --> 00:23:46.892
kind of in between the two.

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And he started making up, like, if you want to see actual exciting matches,

00:23:51.212 --> 00:23:54.192
we're going to have the white belt spaz classic.

00:23:55.012 --> 00:23:58.032
Fuck yeah. So, like, I thought that was funny. But also, he does,

00:23:58.112 --> 00:23:59.892
like, pulling guard on forklift videos.

00:24:00.392 --> 00:24:02.792
It's... Oh, weird. It's just, like... Sounds like it's, like,

00:24:02.832 --> 00:24:03.992
the bum fights of jiu-jitsu.

00:24:04.212 --> 00:24:08.312
It's just him just, like, pretending, like, doing jiu-jitsu moves against a forklift.

00:24:08.512 --> 00:24:13.032
Okay. It's, you know, it's goofy shit, but, like, the dude's trying to make

00:24:13.032 --> 00:24:14.392
something happen here. It's funny.

00:24:15.672 --> 00:24:18.612
But, like, it all started with the spasmatic classic white belt thing.

00:24:19.212 --> 00:24:21.972
Did he actually do that? Did he actually do a toilet? This is just a joke.

00:24:22.112 --> 00:24:26.632
No, he couldn't get. He was trying to. He couldn't get anyone to ensure the event, though.

00:24:27.092 --> 00:24:29.732
Oh. Because you have to have that. You have to.

00:24:30.712 --> 00:24:34.332
Okay, anyway. He had people, like, volunteer to do it, though. Yeah.

00:24:34.732 --> 00:24:36.712
There was a chance. It doesn't sound like his heart was in it.

00:24:36.712 --> 00:24:37.592
Because like if these like

00:24:37.592 --> 00:24:40.452
regular like most regular jiu-jitsu tournaments are spaz white

00:24:40.452 --> 00:24:43.372
belt tournaments anyways oh i mean it'd be amazing so like just go to

00:24:43.372 --> 00:24:46.092
an insurance company and say we're doing a regular tournament how can you not get

00:24:46.092 --> 00:24:50.212
insurance he called it a spaz yeah the funds yeah he didn't want it that bad

00:24:50.212 --> 00:24:53.252
that doesn't matter it doesn't matter it's okay it was you know i love the idea

00:24:53.252 --> 00:24:58.292
i like the idea we you know but uh you know there's there's also like all it

00:24:58.292 --> 00:25:04.432
goes all the way up and down like these like little you know i at the end of the day we're all,

00:25:05.092 --> 00:25:08.272
whether or not you even if you do take it too seriously you're still

00:25:08.272 --> 00:25:11.032
a fucking goof right like you kind of have to be

00:25:11.032 --> 00:25:13.932
to i don't know you roll around in spandex with

00:25:13.932 --> 00:25:18.892
other people at weird times of the day like that's how you spend your free time

00:25:18.892 --> 00:25:22.072
that's right and then you might even spend your free time with those people

00:25:22.072 --> 00:25:25.772
when you're not on the mats that's right watching other people do this like

00:25:25.772 --> 00:25:31.052
you know like that's right it's kind of goofy dude um and if you don't,

00:25:31.846 --> 00:25:35.686
if you don't think it's goofy, like, I don't know what to tell you.

00:25:36.206 --> 00:25:39.486
Well, I think, you know, we were joking around before this, but the,

00:25:39.946 --> 00:25:41.786
this is not at all what I thought we'd talk about.

00:25:42.686 --> 00:25:48.446
No, this is better. This is not exactly the pathway that we had built out, but it's kind of good.

00:25:48.686 --> 00:25:52.026
Yeah, yeah, this is, I'm enjoying it. It is, it's better. But we were like talking

00:25:52.026 --> 00:25:56.706
about how like, everyone who usually thinks they're cool and tough, which is awesome.

00:25:57.406 --> 00:26:00.786
And, and like, I mean, I definitely drink that Kool-Aid. I mean.

00:26:01.846 --> 00:26:04.566
I feel pretty tough sometimes.

00:26:04.966 --> 00:26:07.646
Dude, I'm so cool and tough. Just in my leather jacket. Come on,

00:26:07.786 --> 00:26:09.206
man. I'm so cool and tough.

00:26:09.546 --> 00:26:12.846
But yeah, that's the funny thing about it. It's like everyone thinks they're cool and tough.

00:26:12.966 --> 00:26:15.606
And then people ask you what you do. They're like, so what do you do?

00:26:15.646 --> 00:26:19.346
Well, I do jujitsu. What's that?

00:26:20.351 --> 00:26:24.171
What oh it's like this martial art oh so like like karate like

00:26:24.171 --> 00:26:26.911
you know like that's what a lot of people throw i get it but like

00:26:26.911 --> 00:26:29.691
if i may on the cool and tough thing i think the funny thing about as we're

00:26:29.691 --> 00:26:33.011
talking about this is it's like um basically what

00:26:33.011 --> 00:26:36.931
we're talking about is like the two coolest and toughest guys are on the internet

00:26:36.931 --> 00:26:41.211
doing this yeah and it's fucking goofy it's silly as hell and so it's sort of

00:26:41.211 --> 00:26:44.311
like it does kind of like go full circle around like well like you might think

00:26:44.311 --> 00:26:49.031
you're cool and tough purple belt in like wherever milwaukee or here you know

00:26:49.031 --> 00:26:52.011
yeah we're And like, okay, so you're taking yourself super seriously.

00:26:52.071 --> 00:26:55.791
And I'm like, but these dudes who are objectively way better than you will destroy you.

00:26:55.931 --> 00:26:58.771
And they're acting like this on the internet. It's so silly.

00:26:58.911 --> 00:27:01.951
And like, if you look at it as like the two, like the two sex, right?

00:27:02.091 --> 00:27:05.351
Like the two different like stables, like I was going with your analogy.

00:27:05.631 --> 00:27:10.291
No, but I'm saying like the guy that is looked at as like the,

00:27:10.291 --> 00:27:18.111
the suit, the best number one toughest, nobody can beat him guy is a fucking goofball too.

00:27:18.371 --> 00:27:22.971
Like Gordon, Gordon. Like, he's also, he's also, like, a goofy guy who's playing

00:27:22.971 --> 00:27:27.311
this game, and, like, even if he's not in on it, which, like,

00:27:27.431 --> 00:27:30.191
he kind of has to be a little bit in on it, right? He knows what he's doing.

00:27:30.331 --> 00:27:35.011
He's an internet master, dude. Yeah, like, you're in on it, but, like, even, like.

00:27:35.781 --> 00:27:39.901
Even if he wasn't, right? Like, even if he really was, like,

00:27:40.541 --> 00:27:46.501
big, tough, number one, I'm the best guy, like, super macho, he's still buying it.

00:27:46.581 --> 00:27:50.781
He would be buying into all this bait, which is also pretty fucking goofy.

00:27:50.981 --> 00:27:53.481
Well, two things can be true at once, right? Yeah. Like, it's like,

00:27:53.641 --> 00:27:59.081
I think you can divorce the, the, um, dude, I have, I think I have,

00:27:59.161 --> 00:28:01.161
one of my buddies gave me his book. Like, I have his book in here.

00:28:01.301 --> 00:28:04.881
And I think he talks about this in his book about, like, trying to get paid.

00:28:04.881 --> 00:28:10.841
And like he knows how to be an entertainer man he like knows that he knows he knows himself and um.

00:28:12.601 --> 00:28:15.421
He knows how to build a brand around

00:28:15.421 --> 00:28:19.701
himself and like he knows what amount i guess of himself to be like all right

00:28:19.701 --> 00:28:23.301
let's go out on camera and just like really sell this side of me and like you

00:28:23.301 --> 00:28:27.421
said like maybe it's like the and the funny thing is like i think he like knows

00:28:27.421 --> 00:28:32.761
enough about the internet and like attention getting like activities that he

00:28:32.761 --> 00:28:35.261
can play that role in a serious way,

00:28:35.821 --> 00:28:38.901
like he can be like act like really tough and cool but knows

00:28:38.901 --> 00:28:41.841
that he's like not everyone's gonna like this and like i don't give a shit like

00:28:41.841 --> 00:28:43.881
he's just gonna pump it out there and he's gonna be like and he'll know that

00:28:43.881 --> 00:28:48.041
like three quarters of people who watch him hate watch him and like laugh at

00:28:48.041 --> 00:28:50.781
him but he's like whatever you're still watching me that's like that's that's

00:28:50.781 --> 00:28:53.661
that's a master class on like how to do that shit well and that's why he's the

00:28:53.661 --> 00:28:59.041
rock dude the rock rules like He was a heel, but he was supposed to be the, you know, like he was...

00:28:59.601 --> 00:29:03.401
Good team, but he has to heal, like, the bad guys are really the good guys, like.

00:29:03.501 --> 00:29:06.161
That's the funny thing about everything, like, this whole ecosystem is that,

00:29:06.261 --> 00:29:09.601
like, okay, so he'll do all of that, and that's just, like, that game is just

00:29:09.601 --> 00:29:13.981
a get the views, get the views, get the views, do what gets the views,

00:29:14.141 --> 00:29:17.801
and then he still gets to go out and actually do the real shit.

00:29:18.161 --> 00:29:20.521
Yeah. Or compete. And, like, I mean, what we were talking about earlier,

00:29:20.641 --> 00:29:25.901
like, he's the guy. Like, he's, like, I mean, yeah, he's the motherfucker when it comes to that.

00:29:26.361 --> 00:29:29.321
He's pretty good at getting the views, too, so it's, like, you got to give credit where credits do

00:29:29.321 --> 00:29:32.241
um but also like just to talk about

00:29:32.241 --> 00:29:34.941
like that brand that persona he's still like he goofs on himself for having like tummy

00:29:34.941 --> 00:29:38.021
aches too oh yeah he'll like be like oh but like yeah my tummy messed

00:29:38.021 --> 00:29:42.061
me up like it's like even he can have me hurt he's not doing as much of like

00:29:42.061 --> 00:29:45.881
the fun goofy shit that like craig does because craig jokes about how he's like

00:29:45.881 --> 00:29:48.761
all right well like if we're gonna again do like both the real and showman side

00:29:48.761 --> 00:29:52.081
of things craig cracks on himself for getting beat by gordon all the time he's

00:29:52.081 --> 00:29:55.101
like i'm the number two yeah like that's his that's his I mean,

00:29:55.181 --> 00:29:57.121
B-team, right? Well, that's his strategy.

00:29:57.381 --> 00:29:59.921
His content strategy is like, I'm having fun with all this shit. Yeah.

00:30:00.201 --> 00:30:02.561
Like, I'm just going to have more fun. They're both having fun.

00:30:02.781 --> 00:30:06.521
I'm having a great time, and I still am pretty good.

00:30:06.741 --> 00:30:10.341
I'm not the number one the best, but I'm still good, right? Yes, yes.

00:30:10.641 --> 00:30:16.061
I mean, it's cool, and like current events on that, right? Like the whole...

00:30:18.193 --> 00:30:20.433
I was going to branch this earlier,

00:30:20.613 --> 00:30:23.753
but we needed to get way deeper in this, so I had to keep it going.

00:30:24.793 --> 00:30:28.413
Are you going back to Star Wars, dude? No, I'm going back. We're going with that?

00:30:28.593 --> 00:30:33.873
I was going to use the divide to segue into this, but we just had to keep it

00:30:33.873 --> 00:30:35.273
rolling. It was too good.

00:30:35.513 --> 00:30:39.293
Sure, sure, sure, sure, sure. It was too important to keep that conversation going. I agree.

00:30:40.313 --> 00:30:44.113
But the most recent thing has been the arrest of Gordon's wife,

00:30:44.293 --> 00:30:48.673
or not the arrest of his wife, his lady. Oh, she's on. Are they married? I think so.

00:30:48.993 --> 00:30:51.573
I mean, she's at least on, she's on the mortgage. Oh, okay.

00:30:52.093 --> 00:30:55.113
His gal. All right. Yeah, they're at least, they're at least married in the

00:30:55.113 --> 00:30:57.133
sense that they both own a house together. Okay.

00:30:57.313 --> 00:31:00.713
Okay. There's, there's a level of being married in that, I guess.

00:31:00.853 --> 00:31:03.493
Like you both are financially responsible for something together.

00:31:03.493 --> 00:31:04.953
Well, you're either married or not, but I get what you're saying.

00:31:04.993 --> 00:31:05.893
Yeah. They're together.

00:31:06.113 --> 00:31:07.333
They are legally, there's a.

00:31:07.433 --> 00:31:10.093
I don't know. There's a legal level of attachment outside of just dating.

00:31:10.233 --> 00:31:12.313
Okay. Got it. Because they both own the house together. Cool.

00:31:12.433 --> 00:31:16.293
Got it. So, he is responsible for at least something. Okay.

00:31:16.633 --> 00:31:18.813
They have a shared asset. Got it. Yeah. I think they're married.

00:31:18.993 --> 00:31:21.373
Fucking who knows. Who cares? Whatever. Doesn't matter.

00:31:22.153 --> 00:31:26.613
But, like, that whole thing has turned into, like, I mean, it's- It's content.

00:31:26.873 --> 00:31:31.873
Oh, and it goes, like, the level of, like, it's to the point where,

00:31:31.893 --> 00:31:33.933
like, fans get involved in it.

00:31:34.073 --> 00:31:36.893
Like, people are sending shit to Gordon's house.

00:31:37.233 --> 00:31:42.573
So, like- Oh, weird. So you know how, like, Craig, so for those who might not

00:31:42.573 --> 00:31:44.953
be in the know, which is fine. I'm not really in the know.

00:31:45.113 --> 00:31:47.733
I'm kind of in the know. I was going to set what happened to her.

00:31:47.973 --> 00:31:49.713
Like, she got pulled over for,

00:31:49.713 --> 00:31:56.153
she got taken in for DUI, said a bunch of silly shit, which is amazing.

00:31:56.393 --> 00:31:59.693
Body cam footage is great. I've seen the memes and the clips. They are good.

00:32:00.593 --> 00:32:06.213
They're objectively funny. It's very funny. She tells the cop that she's, so it's funny.

00:32:06.578 --> 00:32:09.418
It's 3 a.m., by the way, when she got pulled over for the DUI.

00:32:10.298 --> 00:32:12.518
She tells them that she's going to train.

00:32:12.798 --> 00:32:16.318
I'm going to train fucking jujitsu. That's what she was telling them she was

00:32:16.318 --> 00:32:17.338
on her way to do. Awesome.

00:32:17.538 --> 00:32:21.698
And then she got pulled over because she drives a nice car and she was driving fucking fast.

00:32:23.178 --> 00:32:27.178
So that was the body cam footage I've seen. There's probably more to it.

00:32:27.198 --> 00:32:29.018
I don't know. But that's what's been clipped.

00:32:29.178 --> 00:32:32.798
Okay. That's the stuff that's getting clipped. I've seen some of that. craig jones

00:32:32.798 --> 00:32:36.458
made a went through he is

00:32:36.458 --> 00:32:40.478
if i don't know if he owns there he's affiliated with street x in a

00:32:40.478 --> 00:32:43.158
big way right like he's i don't know i is it

00:32:43.158 --> 00:32:46.878
his company i have no idea um but so

00:32:46.878 --> 00:32:51.078
they made a like prison stripes kit

00:32:51.078 --> 00:32:54.238
nogi kit and it says uh i

00:32:54.238 --> 00:32:57.058
think it says i want to go fast or something

00:32:57.058 --> 00:32:59.718
on the back um or i want to

00:32:59.718 --> 00:33:02.858
go fucking fast i don't know uh but it's prison

00:33:02.858 --> 00:33:05.758
stripes so somebody bought it

00:33:05.758 --> 00:33:11.258
it had it mailed to gordon ryan's house and he thought it was craig jones so

00:33:11.258 --> 00:33:16.098
like someone else like instigated additional beef on top of the beef that was

00:33:16.098 --> 00:33:19.358
already being created as a victim of his own success oh it's amazing interesting

00:33:19.358 --> 00:33:23.118
uh but then like people are also taking the the body cam footage.

00:33:23.118 --> 00:33:25.978
They're throwing it on top of their own stuff, right?

00:33:26.138 --> 00:33:28.538
Like, it's become, like,

00:33:29.228 --> 00:33:34.968
a viral jujitsu moment at like the expense of Gordon Ryan. The internet has enough.

00:33:35.208 --> 00:33:38.328
Yeah, but again, like I said, he's going to benefit from all the noise too.

00:33:38.648 --> 00:33:41.348
Like, yeah, that's just the way this stuff works. Well, unless,

00:33:41.808 --> 00:33:44.888
I mean, he better benefit quick so he can keep his house.

00:33:46.188 --> 00:33:50.168
Yeah, okay, fair enough, yeah. Because there's going to be bonds involved and

00:33:50.168 --> 00:33:53.968
if that house is going to be leveraged as collateral, she can do it if she wants

00:33:53.968 --> 00:33:55.728
because she's on it. Sure, okay.

00:33:55.968 --> 00:34:00.108
So she can bond out against the house and then just stop making payments on the house. True.

00:34:01.068 --> 00:34:03.908
Old Gordy's stuck with the bill. Oh, man, maybe he'll buy the house.

00:34:04.028 --> 00:34:05.688
I don't know. Whatever. Maybe. Who knows? Who knows?

00:34:06.928 --> 00:34:11.488
But, yeah, I mean, so, like. Weird shit, dude. All kinds of crazy shit going on.

00:34:11.688 --> 00:34:14.548
Yeah, there's always some content. There's always some crazy bullshit out there.

00:34:14.668 --> 00:34:18.508
And, like, that's at least the fun side of, I don't know, that's at least a

00:34:18.508 --> 00:34:21.088
relatively lighthearted jujitsu arrest.

00:34:21.408 --> 00:34:25.888
It's like Jiu-Jitsu TMZ, dude. It's Jiu-Jitsu TMZ. It's great. Yeah.

00:34:26.468 --> 00:34:30.468
And, like, I don't know. we don't have as many there's not as many jiu-jitsu

00:34:30.468 --> 00:34:35.148
celebrities this is all being like this shit's being force-fed too because the

00:34:35.548 --> 00:34:38.268
Instagram algorithm will just the second you look at one

00:34:38.268 --> 00:34:41.328
of these things it just gets fucking rammed down your throat where would this

00:34:41.328 --> 00:34:45.528
sport be without Instagram it would be fucking boring where it used to be five

00:34:45.528 --> 00:34:48.948
years ago five years ago even longer than that 12 years ago yeah I get what

00:34:48.948 --> 00:34:55.728
you're saying yeah it would everyone be broke oh dude yeah well I just remember like I stopped like,

00:34:56.397 --> 00:34:59.297
I mean, like, you couldn't really pay that much attention.

00:35:00.717 --> 00:35:07.177
During the first iteration of this podcast, you couldn't really pay a lot of

00:35:07.177 --> 00:35:11.017
attention to it because it just wasn't a lot of stuff to pay attention to,

00:35:11.157 --> 00:35:12.997
right? And, like, now there's just so much.

00:35:13.437 --> 00:35:17.337
So much going on. Well, social media just created, like, it allowed for,

00:35:17.337 --> 00:35:20.257
like, the ecosystem to develop, for this type of shit to thrive.

00:35:20.437 --> 00:35:25.197
But, like I said, they're like, I don't know, Hollywood.

00:35:25.197 --> 00:35:28.417
They're like doing like weird like it's like they're like it's tmz oh

00:35:28.417 --> 00:35:31.817
it's it's straight up tmz oh it's it's

00:35:31.817 --> 00:35:34.657
crazy and they keep spoon feeding us some bullshit so like

00:35:34.657 --> 00:35:37.677
i guess again credit to them and i'm gonna give the credit to credit to donnaher

00:35:37.677 --> 00:35:42.737
for cultivating this way to go donnaher wait for real good for him man that's

00:35:42.737 --> 00:35:48.857
it's good um in the conspiracy theory route just like donnaher's the one who

00:35:48.857 --> 00:35:54.557
was they took her out for margaritas before nice he's like he's like yes and

00:35:54.557 --> 00:35:55.857
Here's the keys to your Porsche.

00:35:56.337 --> 00:35:59.897
Have another shot. Yeah. He's just sitting there just like, ah.

00:36:01.137 --> 00:36:04.697
I did say, I will say, I saw a meme that made me fucking giggle.

00:36:04.837 --> 00:36:10.337
And like on the front of the meme, it was like a, the meme was like a BJJ Fanatics

00:36:10.337 --> 00:36:14.897
style, like thumbnail cover that you see for like every tutorial that it's like,

00:36:14.917 --> 00:36:17.617
it'll be like octopus this or whatever, systematically breaking,

00:36:17.917 --> 00:36:19.197
you know, the guard or something like that.

00:36:19.257 --> 00:36:22.657
And it was, in this case, it was, it was what's her face plus Gordon.

00:36:22.657 --> 00:36:26.057
And then it said, like, systematically crushing margaritas before jiu-jitsu.

00:36:26.357 --> 00:36:28.277
And that made me laugh. That's pretty good.

00:36:29.757 --> 00:36:35.137
But, like, so, also, like, kind of around that, like, the...

00:36:36.151 --> 00:36:38.971
The other things that like and i had to actually explain this

00:36:38.971 --> 00:36:42.471
to somebody who was new because like this someone sent

00:36:42.471 --> 00:36:45.631
the craig made a promo video for

00:36:45.631 --> 00:36:49.471
his octopus 2.0 instructional um

00:36:49.471 --> 00:36:52.271
which worked really well apparently it's like the number

00:36:52.271 --> 00:36:55.971
one selling bjj fanatics thing now um which

00:36:55.971 --> 00:36:59.051
like i don't know it's a cool new thing right that is people are

00:36:59.051 --> 00:37:02.931
excited about i've seen it he did good promo um and

00:37:02.931 --> 00:37:06.951
so like he he made so

00:37:06.951 --> 00:37:10.391
many references and like i'd explain to somebody so

00:37:10.391 --> 00:37:13.531
someone shared it with like a group chat and one

00:37:13.531 --> 00:37:17.371
of the guys it was like his second day doing jujitsu and

00:37:17.371 --> 00:37:22.431
so i'd like be like yeah so like the reason this is funny is because this guy

00:37:22.431 --> 00:37:26.871
just made a bunch of references to stuff that you'd have to be following this

00:37:26.871 --> 00:37:31.591
ultra or like super niche sport about these obscure characters and all these

00:37:31.591 --> 00:37:36.451
like weird things that have occurred in the past couple years like,

00:37:37.451 --> 00:37:42.991
it's fucking weird because he like is making references to like um he's making

00:37:42.991 --> 00:37:47.311
reference to like a few other he's making references to like people and their

00:37:47.311 --> 00:37:51.371
sexual misconduct and like obviously he's making cuck jokes about gordon ryan

00:37:51.371 --> 00:37:55.431
yeah um one of his jokes is like the.

00:37:56.631 --> 00:37:59.931
The uh if i if only i knew that uh

00:37:59.931 --> 00:38:02.671
that like the thing that was

00:38:02.671 --> 00:38:06.051
going to make me better was doing a lot of steroids and letting my brother letting

00:38:06.051 --> 00:38:09.811
my brother fuck my or letting my wife having my wife fuck my underage brother

00:38:09.811 --> 00:38:13.811
then i would i'd be so much better now it is something along those lines but

00:38:13.811 --> 00:38:17.111
basically he's just making jabs at him he's making jabs at all these other people

00:38:17.111 --> 00:38:22.691
instructors that have uh fallen out of favor of the community okay um.

00:38:23.791 --> 00:38:26.351
Things that are less, they're less lighthearted than this. We're keeping the

00:38:26.351 --> 00:38:28.231
episode light, so I'm not going to, don't want to get into the,

00:38:28.671 --> 00:38:31.431
I don't want to have to start talking about sexual misconduct.

00:38:31.551 --> 00:38:34.791
He's like, he's like making all of these like cultural illusions that like this

00:38:34.791 --> 00:38:37.231
brand new guy, you're like explaining them. You're like, this stuff goes way back.

00:38:37.371 --> 00:38:40.711
It's like this weird subculture has existed for a long time.

00:38:40.851 --> 00:38:44.951
There's like multiple little niche, like rabbit hole jokes. You can go down.

00:38:45.071 --> 00:38:46.871
There's a little weird sub communities. There's dudes.

00:38:47.211 --> 00:38:49.711
There's all these like, they're the guys who like this one. They're the guys

00:38:49.711 --> 00:38:52.591
who don't like that one. They're like this other guy. And then it's like, it's weird.

00:38:52.831 --> 00:38:55.811
Yeah. like we have this like super weird like it's already an

00:38:55.811 --> 00:38:59.511
obscure niche sport that has additional

00:38:59.511 --> 00:39:03.071
obscure niche shit within it that like

00:39:03.071 --> 00:39:06.311
you know like i if you don't know

00:39:06.311 --> 00:39:09.211
like i guess if you're like super involved in

00:39:09.211 --> 00:39:12.051
it like like not actually a part

00:39:12.051 --> 00:39:14.891
of the like if you're super get super like deep in

00:39:14.891 --> 00:39:17.791
the weeds on it you probably get to the point you stop

00:39:17.791 --> 00:39:21.291
knowing that people don't get it right like because

00:39:21.291 --> 00:39:24.211
it's i mean it's all over the place for you right like in

00:39:24.211 --> 00:39:27.091
your algorithm and all that because that's where all of it is then it almost

00:39:27.091 --> 00:39:32.331
seems like this is just national news this is national news some of it is breaking

00:39:32.331 --> 00:39:37.591
news right when there's manhunts involved but uh but yeah like you know it's

00:39:37.591 --> 00:39:43.351
i don't know it's it's fucking crazy uh so like yeah and.

00:39:45.297 --> 00:39:49.137
Maybe it doesn't take itself too seriously. Maybe the whole setup was like,

00:39:49.297 --> 00:39:52.017
I really like this conspiracy theory that like this, I mean,

00:39:52.177 --> 00:39:57.857
it's all manufactured. I would really love if Donaher was the guy manufacturing all of this.

00:39:58.037 --> 00:40:01.137
I know, man. That would be fucking great for the views. Palpatine.

00:40:02.697 --> 00:40:07.297
We need somebody who can do like a Donaher Palpatine thing. Someone can do it.

00:40:07.337 --> 00:40:08.737
Yeah, someone can do it. Someone can do it.

00:40:09.537 --> 00:40:13.597
Revenge of the Sith. Yeah. We need some good stuff for that.

00:40:14.537 --> 00:40:19.777
But yeah, I mean, like, it's... Silly as fuck. Yeah, silly as fuck,

00:40:19.817 --> 00:40:20.897
dude. The whole thing is like, yeah, yeah.

00:40:22.157 --> 00:40:25.757
Yeah. Don't take it too seriously. Yeah. I mean, have fun. Have fun.

00:40:25.857 --> 00:40:29.017
Have fun with it. Yeah, like you guys were saying in the other one, have fun.

00:40:29.477 --> 00:40:33.717
That should be rule number one of jiu-jitsu. It's fun. We're going to start it right now.

00:40:33.817 --> 00:40:37.017
We'll have a fighters drinking coffee list of rules for jiu-jitsu.

00:40:37.157 --> 00:40:38.857
And, like, rule number one is have fun.

00:40:41.557 --> 00:40:44.897
But, I mean, like, I don't know. it's crazy if you're

00:40:44.897 --> 00:40:49.537
doing jiu-jitsu you're just inherently a little bit silly i don't know what

00:40:49.537 --> 00:40:56.177
else to tell you um have fun guys don't take yourselves too seriously uh that's

00:40:56.177 --> 00:41:00.377
the people at the top of our sport don't yeah i think that's that's just just

00:41:00.377 --> 00:41:01.777
summing this all up like yeah.

00:41:03.248 --> 00:41:07.388
We set this up like there was some like crazy. Not that sophisticated.

00:41:07.688 --> 00:41:14.288
No, no. It's just that like it's we do a silly sport and everyone involved is silly. Yeah.

00:41:14.548 --> 00:41:21.068
And like obviously you can take competing seriously but like only do it to an extent, guys.

00:41:21.328 --> 00:41:23.488
You know, go to a win but like it's not that big of a deal.

00:41:23.988 --> 00:41:28.228
Like watch all every other competitive sport. Like they take it seriously to

00:41:28.228 --> 00:41:29.508
the extent that they need to.

00:41:29.708 --> 00:41:34.468
And then when it's done, they like kind of don't anymore. Like most of those

00:41:34.468 --> 00:41:38.888
like one interview with a guy after a football game, he'll be upset and then

00:41:38.888 --> 00:41:41.968
like he'll be not upset five minutes later.

00:41:42.108 --> 00:41:46.648
Like you kind of have to be that way anyways. So don't take yourself too seriously.

00:41:47.048 --> 00:41:49.388
Don't take it too seriously. Yeah.

00:41:49.871 --> 00:41:55.111
You know, have fun, guys. And with that, that was Fire's drinking coffee.

00:41:56.491 --> 00:42:00.151
And, like, you know, we're having fun here. You guys are having fun.

00:42:00.271 --> 00:42:02.451
Yeah. Like we said in the other one, forced fun.

00:42:03.631 --> 00:42:08.151
Having fun. We're having, you're having fun. And if you're having fun, this is fun.

00:42:08.331 --> 00:42:11.771
If you're having fun, like, we're forcing you to. If you're having fun,

00:42:11.931 --> 00:42:13.171
drop five-star reviews, guys.

00:42:13.531 --> 00:42:17.531
That helps out. Throw some comments. You know, just tell people, even.

00:42:17.731 --> 00:42:21.691
Who do you think Palpatine is? yeah tell us who you think Palpatine is I'd like

00:42:21.691 --> 00:42:28.191
to know who's the real mastermind of this of the breakup of the Danaher death squad shattering.

00:42:29.791 --> 00:42:34.351
You know and like what do you think what's your best conspiracy what's a new

00:42:34.351 --> 00:42:38.991
hope gonna be oh shit who's Yoda who's I didn't even get to who,

00:42:39.971 --> 00:42:46.291
who who is gonna be Obi-Wan Kenobi maybe we don't know yet maybe we don't know

00:42:46.291 --> 00:42:48.211
yet who's Mikey Musumechi,

00:42:49.671 --> 00:42:54.611
i know we're in like the post show but like who's who is he let us you know

00:42:54.611 --> 00:42:59.191
he's jar jar binks he's jar jar binks oh i love it yes he's not jar jar binks

00:42:59.191 --> 00:43:02.731
he's a pole guard um but yeah like,

00:43:03.551 --> 00:43:07.991
uh you know drop just tell us tell us name make up characters for all these

00:43:07.991 --> 00:43:11.611
people star wars characters for all of them or wrestling references i don't

00:43:11.611 --> 00:43:16.011
care either one uh that's fun but that That helps us move up the algorithm,

00:43:16.271 --> 00:43:20.711
gets us in front of more people so that they can tell us who they think Mikey

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Musumechi is in Star Wars.

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And other than that, guys, still, we'll hint to it until it happens.

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Because otherwise, you know, I'm just building suspense here.

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Cool stuff coming down the line. We just have to work out some of the fine details.

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And we'll have some cool stuff for you guys.

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We promise at some point in the future. But we promise.

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But other than that, we love you guys. Have fun. Be safe. Bye.