(Ep 39) Fury Champion Sam Kilmer: Road to the UFC Begins Dec. 14

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Welcome back to fighters drinking coffee guys today.

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We have a special guest joining us, Sam Kilmer. He's got a fight coming up.

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Uh, if you've been around the local scene, you've definitely seen his name,

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Sam, tell us a little bit about yourself, you know, introduce yourself to the listeners.

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I'm a local fighter. I've been fighting a long time now.

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I've been fighting for probably since I was 17. That's been like seven years now.

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And yeah, man, just trying to push it and make it to the next level,

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make it to the UFC right now, defend this belt.

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I'm currently the Fury welterweight champion, and it's been a long time coming.

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And I finally got the title.

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And now it's time to to bump it

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up to the next level keep stacking bodies yes sir

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keep stacking bodies yeah i probably a

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lot of our listeners uh who are we have a lot of like

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local dudes for the most part like

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a lot of va a lot of maryland people so uh i think

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probably a ton of people listening know well a

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ton of people listening definitely know you uh from our

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area for sure and um well what

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i was gonna say was a lot of folks would probably like remember

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all the jiu-jitsu matches you've done too because like this why

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don't we do that why don't we go in like your background like training and style and stuff because i

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when i met you obviously i think you you were you were fought

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amateur maybe at the time yeah you were a teenager

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yeah you had a lot of experience man for like

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like a young dude yeah and you had a ton of background in

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uh like high level jiu-jitsu too yeah yeah i've

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been doing i had been doing uh jiu-jitsu and i believe

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i had had taken a couple fights yeah yeah man it was been it's been a long time

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man the old uh the old gym and it's been been a while yeah yeah well that was

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i mean man that must have been but we started in 2017.

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But yeah, like seven or eight years ago, something. Seven or eight years.

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Seven or eight years ago. It's been seven or eight years, man.

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And you were nasty back then, dude. You were nasty back then.

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And obviously you've gotten better. And like your MMA is like,

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it's your focus. That's like, that's your career.

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Yes, sir. And you're a champion. You're a champion professional fighter, which is awesome.

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Stacking these bodies, got the next one coming. But yeah, dude,

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talk a little bit about like, just like your training background.

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Like stylistically, like obviously I know, I know your jiu-jitsu really well.

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Um but you're an MMA fighter now too but you also have a wrestling background if I'm not mistaken,

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yeah yeah I started with uh I started

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with wrestling and um from there I went and got into jiu-jitsu and you know

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started off started doing MMA and that's all she wrote and I wanted to just

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be an MMA fighter yeah I didn't wrestle for too long I started when I was 10 um it was like four,

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four and a half years, four, four and a half years.

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I did judo a little bit before that with Sugi, um, from, uh, Pentagon MMA.

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And I was at Arlington Judo Club. That's where I really started.

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I only did that for like three or six months. And then once I got into like

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the wrestling season and doing wrestling in school, um, I just wanted to do

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wrestling full time. I came from a wrestling family in upstate New York.

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So all my cousins wrestled and they're all

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better than me at first so I had to I had

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to go I had to go get better yeah you did dude it's crazy because like I would

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I would guess that wrestling was your background yeah like for sure and I'm

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certain you've heard that yeah definitely wrestling is is my first first background

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my first first martial art your first love first love yeah that's love yeah.

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I mean just earlier this year you uh used your

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wrestling against uh guy was from was he the greek guy the greek yeah he was

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like a like legit world class wrestler and i mean you took him down yeah so

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yeah greco guy yeah um i'm forgetting his name right now but uh the copa tournament

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Yeah, it was a Copa elite.

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Yeah, cool guy, good wrestler.

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I was very much looking forward to that fight because I wanted to showcase my

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wrestling against someone that was going to wrestle with me.

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It's always fun when you get those matchups.

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I wish I could do more of them, where it's like just two guys are going to wrestle

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it out on their feet, and it's going to end with the jiu-jitsu when someone gets taken down.

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Have you seen these i don't know the name i think the name of the league is like r-a-f,

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r-a-f yeah i've seen i've seen some of that stuff because

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like mike chandler is gonna do yeah like it's you know like

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pro and may fighter with like a wrestling background mike chandler's

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got um i mean damn i might as well look it up since

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i'm talking about it yeah it's kind of like another wrestling another like

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another like another like either x or current ufc guy

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who also had like a really high level

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wrestling background they're doing like a wrestling i mean it's a wrestling match

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yeah it's freestyle so it's um i think

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real american freestyle or like something or

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it's something like that's what it stands for yeah yeah it's

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a big it's a big uh big deal kind of i've seen like chad

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mendez chad mendez versus mike

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chandler yeah it's cool that'd be really cool i'd watch that um yeah i mean

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it's like full-on produced one-on-one it's like super freestyle it's really

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cool it looks fun that's that's that's that's cool they're moving in that direction

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with the wrestling they're trying to have it be promoted as like this these

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super fight match matchups that always brings people.

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It makes them entertained. It brings people more to the sport.

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Especially those big names, too.

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And, dude, speaking for myself, these days, we've talked about this on the show

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a bunch of times, but I enjoy watching wrestling matches, like international

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or whatever. They had the Worlds a month ago or whatever.

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I think that's more fun to watch than Jiu-Jitsu, man. Oh, absolutely. Absolutely, man.

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I love watching the college wrestling matches at the end of the year, the NCAA finals.

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I always love watching those matches, man. and those are the best. Yeah.

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Well, dude, when I bring it up, obviously, like I said, I know that you've done

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a ton of, you're IBJF champion in jiu-jitsu.

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You won pans. You won a bunch of stuff in IBJF, but you have this kind of grappling

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background, and you've done super fights.

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Obviously, you're an MMA champion right now, so that's your main goal in getting

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the UFC, like you said, but do

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you consider wanting to continue doing that type of thing in the future?

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Jiu-jitsu matches, yeah, if the time is right, like with the right opponents,

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I would love to go with, I'd love to go with the Tackett Bros.

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Those are some matchups I'd love to have.

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Like when I get into the UFC and I make a big name for myself,

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I'd love to call them out to like a super fight because they do like the UFC BJJ, so.

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Yeah, I'd say they're signed with them. That could even be a foot in the door

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to get into the UFC if you want to keep calling them out, so.

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So, you know, that might be an extra little.

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Yeah. I can see that happening. Yeah. I can see that happening.

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Yeah. I'd love to take out all three.

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You know, Will, Andrew, do like an MMA fight with Cody again.

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I love that. Yeah. Just do that. The Brazilian Fight Factory boys. Yeah.

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I love those guys. I mean, they're a good group of guys, but definitely want

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to compete against them. Just a couple of savages wanting to fight.

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I'm sure they'd like, they hear that. They'll be like, hell yeah, man.

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You competed against one of the tackets a couple

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years ago right two of them yeah both really both of them yeah yeah i

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had a i had a draw match with

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uh andrew down in texas lasted for

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like i can't i lasted for like 20 minutes or something like that no no scores

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um but uh yeah that just ended up in a in a draw it was like a draw we had a

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bet match and ended up in a draw um And then, yeah, I fought,

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I had a jiu-jitsu match with Will a while back when I was like,

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we were juveniles and I got tapped.

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But that was like one of my first jiu-jitsu tournaments. It was like a while back.

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Yeah, I'd love to go with either one of them now. Be cool.

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Yeah, I like that. I like that a lot. Yeah, we can, if you want,

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we'll shout them out on the post.

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We'll tag them. Maybe we just clip it up. We'll try.

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I'll try to make that happen. All right. I like that.

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Good. So that's, um, those are your kind of like your aspirations for,

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you know, getting into the UFC.

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You have some guys that you would like to see grappling wise.

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Um, let's, let's talk about your fight. That's coming up. Um.

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December 14th, December 14th. Fury.

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Um, you know, kind of give us the rundown. What are you,

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um, you know, talk about, talk about your opponent, kind of what you're eyeing and, you know,

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how you're getting prepared people especially people like

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to hear about that the preparation and everything and um

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yeah um yeah my

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opponent um right now

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i'm just getting ready uh it's uh

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i'm fighting mancher kara he's gonna be a

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jiu-jitsu guy um it's a

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rematch so i think this fight this

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time around it's going to play out a lot differently and uh

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yeah it's just uh it's it's a good good style matchup for us to like I think

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both of us there's going to be a lot of striking it's going to be a lot of stand-up

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fighting and I'm looking forward to it man because I'm a much different fighter

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than the last time out it's going to be fireworks.

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Is he still out of New York? I think he's training out of New Jersey now.

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Okay. I don't know if he trains out of New York still.

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The two of them could be pretty close, so I don't know. Right, right, right.

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Yeah. Well, I just remember him from back in the day at Marcelo Garcia Academy.

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And he did a lot in jiu-jitsu as well. Yeah. He competed a ton.

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He was a successful competitor before. He's transitioned over to MMA.

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And was he the champion a little while back at Fury?

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He's the lightweight champ right now. Gotcha. So he's coming up to fight me

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for the welterweight belt, and he wants to be double champ.

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So we're going to deny him.

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Denied. Yeah, all right, all right. And so you're expecting,

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so it sounds like you're expecting more striking this time around.

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Right, yeah, yeah. Our first fight was at lightweight. Since then,

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I've gone on a streak of finishes,

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finished three guys in a row in the first round and i've gotten i've taken the

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welterweight title so now since then he's also went and gone won the lightweight

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title so now he's coming up to fight me uh yeah i think there's going to be

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a lot of i think there's going to be a lot of striking and uh.

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Yeah, it's going to be a lot of striking and a lot of just, you know,

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just a lot of like back and forth.

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Yeah, it's going to be a good fight.

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A good fight, yeah. So he's coming up. He's coming up, yeah.

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And you've packed on a lot of muscle, man. Shout out to Asim.

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Yeah. Shout out to Asim. But you've tacked on a ton of mass.

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I mean, is he, I mean, I know what he looks like. I know his body type.

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Obviously, he's coming in a little bit lighter, I assume. Yeah.

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I mean, how much of a factor do you think that's going to be?

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It's definitely a big... Because it's not zero, right?

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It's something. It's something, yeah. It's going to be a big confidence factor

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for me because I know this weight class. I know the weight to cut.

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I know, I feel comfortable fighting at 170.

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And uh it's it's kind of perfect for me because that's something that i don't have to worry about,

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necessarily and he has to worry about it he's having to worry about it for the

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first time so he can go and figure try to figure that out while i just stay

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the course yeah i guess he's gotta munch he's gonna just like start eating food

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right i mean like that's you know yeah i I mean, who knows?

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Stuff his face, I don't know. Or come in light. Or come in light, yeah. Who knows?

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I think, too, that that would impact the grappling quite a bit,

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too, right? Like, once you guys lock up and there's a- It'll impact everything.

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It'll impact the striking.

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Yeah, yeah. It's going to impact everything. It's a fight, yeah. Impact.

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There's going to be impact. Right, right, right, yeah.

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There's also something to be said about, like, that comfortability, too, of, like,

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you've done this you've prepared for

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this weight class like like you're saying like that makes

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a huge difference over you know

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someone who has to come up and switch and like change the

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course and now they're preparing for something completely different than they

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had been for the past however many fights you know so

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i mean yes you hit the nail on the

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head with that like that will play a major factor for him right

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yes sir so yeah i believe so i mean that's

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definitely going to be something that he's got to factor in and i

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don't i don't know how he'll go about it whether he's like gonna

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try to bulk or whether he's gonna you know

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you can't really bulk i mean not enough time but whether you just kind of stay

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the course and and come in come in light and just who knows it's not that's

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on him that's on him and like you said like well you've been and i don't know

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exactly when you started with the scene but like you've been training with the

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scene for a while Yeah, yeah. A couple years?

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Yes, sir. I've been working with him now for...

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Uh, I've been working with him for not too long, actually.

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I've only been working with him for like, I want to say, uh,

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nine months, but since I've worked with him, it's been like huge,

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you know, it's been a huge difference.

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I've added a lot of strength, uh, and a lot of size and, and he's,

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he's the guy, he's the man, you know, you know him just as well as I do,

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man, he's the guy to go to for that, uh, in this, this area.

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Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, he's got, I think, I don't know how similar our programs

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are. I got to imagine they're pretty similar.

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Like he's, he's got me doing a lot of, uh, like our workouts primarily built

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around at least, I'd say at least two, like challenging strength style, like workouts.

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Like, you know, it's usually like a series of things like four to five,

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you know, compounded exercise, like circuits or whatever you want to call it.

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Um and i'd say

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for me easily let's say there's like

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four units or five units or something like that right like two or

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three of those are going to be like there's going to be like a

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husky strength focus and

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some some days it's like maybe a little more like power and

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strength and then some some bodybuilding or whatever um tacked

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together and then like the remainder of that usually the last piece smaller piece

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but it's noticeable is conditioning as well right so

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like i i don't know if it's similar if your program is without

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giving away any state secrets to ops but uh he's uh yeah he's had me on like

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for me it's been like well for a while it was just like individual lifts but

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now he has like one day that's all individual lifts with the circuit at the

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end and then two days yeah.

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One is, or this is just the lifting days, but, uh, it was like, so it lifts long run.

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So yeah, it puts me on like four and a half miles. And then day three is one

00:16:03.973 --> 00:16:06.513
single lift and then two or three circuits.

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The other day is cardio, one lift, and then two or three circuits.

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Okay. And then another day of cardio.

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So I, it probably just depends on whatever. yeah and it

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should depends on like if you have a fight coming up if you don't have a fight

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coming up and like he just wants to build an attribute or whatever he lists

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he listens to you a lot too that's one thing i noticed about awesome

00:16:27.773 --> 00:16:32.333
is like you get ask him for you know a certain plan and or what you're looking

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for and he'll give it to you yeah yeah do you feel like again without giving

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away too many secrets right like i mean i do because again i've known you for

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years right like you've sized up a lot man yeah yeah I've gotten kind of a lot bigger,

00:16:46.873 --> 00:16:50.333
you're a unit man I got some creatine over there if you need it.

00:16:52.073 --> 00:16:57.493
Emergency creatine yeah dude like you've like you've bulked up a ton man yes I would like,

00:16:58.384 --> 00:17:03.464
I would, well, I would say like you're, it looks like you're like starting to

00:17:03.464 --> 00:17:05.244
like hit like pretty high up

00:17:05.244 --> 00:17:07.604
in like the welterweight division in terms of like walking around weight.

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I mean, you can tell me about that. Like you're, you're, you're getting up there.

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Do you, uh, I guess question for you, I mean, without again,

00:17:14.664 --> 00:17:19.444
spilling out the same secret sauce, um, when you're doing like,

00:17:19.564 --> 00:17:22.144
when you're on this program, I mean, what are you looking to like keep just

00:17:22.144 --> 00:17:24.004
raw power, raw strength in your workouts?

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Think like I guess like attributes for that you want to like exercise in your

00:17:28.304 --> 00:17:30.364
fights are you looking for more conditioning push.

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I'm looking for just for me like the thing is I mean awesome he works on my

00:17:38.504 --> 00:17:41.684
conditioning too and he'll send me conditioning workouts and I,

00:17:42.304 --> 00:17:45.464
just value everything that

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he says all his input and for me

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he's my you know my strength coach and

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he uh he he just helps me

00:17:54.784 --> 00:17:57.764
get stronger i'm focused right now solely on

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maintaining strength before a fight so that's

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my focus right now i'm not like bulk i'm i'm

00:18:03.684 --> 00:18:06.404
losing weight right now so that's what it's all

00:18:06.404 --> 00:18:09.384
about for me yeah yeah i like doing

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um as far as cardio goes man

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i i think nothing beats the assault bike dude yeah yeah it's it yeah yeah it'll

00:18:19.444 --> 00:18:24.804
beat you it yeah it is it's undefeated dude that assault bike it's to me for

00:18:24.804 --> 00:18:28.404
the assault bike feels like it's like we're like it's a it's a sprint yeah it's

00:18:28.404 --> 00:18:31.664
just like you're a sprint it's a scramble or whatever you gotta go,

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the whole time whatever i don't know if you don't for me usually it's like 20

00:18:35.704 --> 00:18:39.584
i guess calories or whatever like whatever the unit is like 20 somethings 20

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calories and just sprint it out Like, how quickly can you hit that?

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You can go slower, but it's just going to prolong the shit.

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So it's like you just try to hit it. So we'll do that for intervals or whatever.

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However long that takes, minute rest, and then you keep doing it.

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And it's, I mean, I love it and I hate it. Yeah. Because, dude, it gets you...

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Crushes you but that's to me when every time i do it i'm like all right

00:19:01.420 --> 00:19:04.300
this is a scramble this is a scramble this is yeah you're just going you just you

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just you gotta go all out and leave it all

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in there and just keep keep it's like little sprints and i think that that really

00:19:12.060 --> 00:19:16.620
simulates a fight um more than anything it's not a long distance run it's a

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it's a sprint and then a rest and sprint and then a rest so salt bike is the

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way to go man but if you go slow it gets worse like i I swear it gets worse if you go slow.

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Yeah, I mean, if you slow it down, it's just going to be like,

00:19:31.280 --> 00:19:33.480
if you're like, I'll just go a little fucking slow.

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You go a little slower, it's just going to be like an extra 25 seconds of that shit anyways.

00:19:37.820 --> 00:19:40.660
Yeah, yeah. So it's like, dude, you just fucking bang it out.

00:19:41.020 --> 00:19:46.140
Yeah, Lloyd's, they all do that. That's how they get in shape for fights and

00:19:46.140 --> 00:19:48.620
for jiu-jitsu tournaments. They do the salt bike too.

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A lot of places, they do a salt bike, yeah. Are you still going up to Lloyd's right now and training?

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Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I haven't, I haven't been in a, in a minute,

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but I've gone, uh, I've gone for like sparring and I'm definitely looking to

00:20:03.260 --> 00:20:05.500
get with, uh, Elijah a lot more before.

00:20:05.780 --> 00:20:12.440
I know he actually, he has a, he's got a, uh, jujitsu super fight at UFC BJJ

00:20:12.440 --> 00:20:15.020
with, um, with Andrew Tackett. Okay.

00:20:15.540 --> 00:20:18.780
Yeah. And it's around the same date as, uh, as my fight. So he's,

00:20:18.880 --> 00:20:22.100
he's helping each other out. Camp right now. Exactly.

00:20:22.280 --> 00:20:26.320
Yeah. I want to go and, and, uh, I know we can help each other out a lot. Yeah.

00:20:27.000 --> 00:20:28.660
And so where are you primarily training right now?

00:20:29.541 --> 00:20:37.461
Right now, I'm primarily training at Kaizen and Crazy 88. Those are my two main gyms.

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And, yeah, just working out as much as I can possibly between both gyms.

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And, yeah, Kaizen is a lot easier for me because it's in the area.

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It's nearby and kind of

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have like a um you know

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like easy access to a lot of training partners there you know i know everyone

00:21:02.921 --> 00:21:11.741
unis um sufian uh alex balala all those guys like they're always they're always

00:21:11.741 --> 00:21:16.861
in the gym they're always there they always want to train with me you know i can hit them up and I,

00:21:17.021 --> 00:21:21.201
and they're always down to, to, to scrap or, or to give me work.

00:21:21.361 --> 00:21:26.901
So that's, that's what I love about Kaizen is just being so close and close knit.

00:21:27.081 --> 00:21:32.401
It's such a, such a family, you know, we all help each other out when we have fights coming up.

00:21:32.501 --> 00:21:36.201
It's, it's, it's a very close team. And you've known Nima for years too.

00:21:36.781 --> 00:21:41.921
Yeah. Yeah. I've known, uh, I've known Nima for as long as I've, I've known you, man.

00:21:42.041 --> 00:21:44.981
It's been like seven years. He cares about you. He knows, you know,

00:21:44.981 --> 00:21:49.361
he appreciates having like someone at your level too I'm sure in the room for his guys too,

00:21:49.901 --> 00:21:57.241
uh okay right on man and how often do you get out to 88 88 I go um I go like

00:21:57.241 --> 00:22:04.581
once or twice a week okay yeah it's uh it's a drive for me um but when I go in it's always a lot of.

00:22:05.397 --> 00:22:09.457
It's a lot of really good work you know i spar with uh matthew semelsberger

00:22:09.457 --> 00:22:18.697
and uh is he in the ufc uh semi he was um he was in the ufc uh for a little

00:22:18.697 --> 00:22:21.517
while and now he's he's kind of um,

00:22:22.197 --> 00:22:27.317
just uh he's opened up a gym so he's kind of focused on that right now but he

00:22:27.317 --> 00:22:32.637
still comes in and he still spars me we still go at it so he's he's man he's

00:22:32.637 --> 00:22:36.557
awesome he's uh really good Really good friend,

00:22:37.097 --> 00:22:40.717
really good training partner, always bringing the heat for me.

00:22:41.077 --> 00:22:43.797
And Rob Watley, too. Shout out to Rob Watley, man.

00:22:44.877 --> 00:22:51.977
He's a stud, man. He's got a lot going on right now with his...

00:22:53.550 --> 00:22:58.290
Career and he still, he comes in and he gives me work too. So he's also great

00:22:58.290 --> 00:23:00.650
to, to, to spar with and to train with.

00:23:01.190 --> 00:23:08.430
Um, yeah, Pat, Pat, Pat, Pat Rivera, uh, Josh Jackson, bunch of really good,

00:23:09.310 --> 00:23:11.290
welterweights out there, man. At crazy 88.

00:23:11.950 --> 00:23:15.230
When you've trained all over the United States too, like you've had,

00:23:15.350 --> 00:23:18.530
yeah, yeah. Yeah. I mean, yeah, I've been all over the place, man. It's nice though.

00:23:18.990 --> 00:23:21.690
You kind of go through that phase. Like I went through that phase when

00:23:21.690 --> 00:23:24.430
I was younger and it's good kind of have

00:23:24.430 --> 00:23:27.870
i've i got a family here now and uh you

00:23:27.870 --> 00:23:30.690
know it's i'm kind of settling down and i really

00:23:30.690 --> 00:23:33.610
value the training partners and the people i have around me

00:23:33.610 --> 00:23:41.590
because i don't want to go anywhere else i'm good and we have but also that

00:23:41.590 --> 00:23:44.230
experience kind of probably taught you like you've seen a ton of different training

00:23:44.230 --> 00:23:47.870
environments tons of rooms you've probably seen like rooms of meatheads where

00:23:47.870 --> 00:23:50.850
like there's cultures where people like want to beat the shit out of each other,

00:23:51.030 --> 00:23:53.390
you know, there's, there's a balance of that.

00:23:53.570 --> 00:23:57.790
There's a balance. There's good gyms, there's bad gyms, there's, there's all that stuff.

00:23:58.050 --> 00:24:01.810
Uh, it's good sometimes to go to a gym where you're uncomfortable and where

00:24:01.810 --> 00:24:03.530
everyone's trying to beat the shit out of you sometimes.

00:24:03.650 --> 00:24:07.670
Cause you know, when you, you come fight night, you're going to be fighting

00:24:07.670 --> 00:24:09.450
someone that's trying to beat the shit out of you.

00:24:09.630 --> 00:24:12.170
So yeah. Can't be unfamiliar with that.

00:24:12.510 --> 00:24:15.210
Gotta be comfortable being uncomfortable. Yeah. Uh huh.

00:24:17.172 --> 00:24:20.872
Hell yeah hell yeah you know you definitely need uh definitely

00:24:20.872 --> 00:24:24.032
need that like little extra push every once

00:24:24.032 --> 00:24:27.052
in a while from those unknown factors because

00:24:27.052 --> 00:24:29.852
it's super easy to get used to sparring the same guy i

00:24:29.852 --> 00:24:32.952
mean right especially i mean jujitsu mma all

00:24:32.952 --> 00:24:35.932
of it it's you can get very comfortable fighting the same person

00:24:35.932 --> 00:24:38.852
yeah that you fight every day or like

00:24:38.852 --> 00:24:41.792
a couple times a week absolutely they at the

00:24:41.792 --> 00:24:44.492
same time they can also have a

00:24:44.492 --> 00:24:47.452
better read on your habits and

00:24:47.452 --> 00:24:50.572
what you do so they can push you a little harder because they know they

00:24:50.572 --> 00:24:53.512
know your game just like you know theirs um but

00:24:53.512 --> 00:24:56.532
yeah it's it's it's um it's important

00:24:56.532 --> 00:24:59.852
to to like try to mix it up and the thing

00:24:59.852 --> 00:25:03.312
i like about kaizen too is it's a revolving door so

00:25:03.312 --> 00:25:06.072
we get guys from all over the world like we

00:25:06.072 --> 00:25:09.392
just had a guy namo fazil he's a featherweight um

00:25:09.392 --> 00:25:13.032
from kurdistan and he.

00:25:13.032 --> 00:25:16.192
Just he's like nine and one

00:25:16.192 --> 00:25:19.492
you know pretty high level guy and he

00:25:19.492 --> 00:25:22.312
was just in for like a couple weeks like almost

00:25:22.312 --> 00:25:25.032
a month and i was sparring him training with him all the

00:25:25.032 --> 00:25:28.592
time it's we got i've got we've got nurlo

00:25:28.592 --> 00:25:31.872
aliev he's a ufc lightweight right now

00:25:31.872 --> 00:25:35.412
from tajikistan and he he's he's

00:25:35.412 --> 00:25:38.512
also in a lot uh and he when

00:25:38.512 --> 00:25:44.272
he comes in you know we get banger we get banger rounds in wrestle so it's a

00:25:44.272 --> 00:25:49.332
revolving door and high level guys are always always coming in nema sensei nema

00:25:49.332 --> 00:25:53.472
is always bringing in the best guys from all over the world to train with us

00:25:53.472 --> 00:25:56.312
so i get a lot of new looks too yeah.

00:25:57.452 --> 00:26:01.452
I like it, man So, alright, so we got Fury on the 14th,

00:26:02.571 --> 00:26:07.551
You want the UFC, though. Yeah, man. Yeah. Let's talk about these goals and

00:26:07.551 --> 00:26:09.871
aspirations, man. Yeah, yeah.

00:26:11.111 --> 00:26:14.511
Right now, I'm just, I got this Fury belt.

00:26:14.851 --> 00:26:23.131
I'm going to knock that off. And then next is the UFC. I'll be waiting for the call.

00:26:23.311 --> 00:26:25.671
I'll be waiting for the call. I'll stay ready for the call.

00:26:26.091 --> 00:26:29.211
You know, it could come at any time. It could be short notice.

00:26:29.211 --> 00:26:32.211
It could be um it could

00:26:32.211 --> 00:26:35.451
be who knows it could be a contract i

00:26:35.451 --> 00:26:39.551
don't know i'm just gonna put on the best performance possible

00:26:39.551 --> 00:26:43.191
december 14th and we'll get

00:26:43.191 --> 00:26:46.091
the call yeah yeah i'm getting

00:26:46.091 --> 00:26:48.811
the call hell yeah man definitely get that

00:26:48.811 --> 00:26:51.951
call we'll see from there too like uh i kind

00:26:51.951 --> 00:26:54.831
of uh have a little bit of a vision

00:26:54.831 --> 00:26:58.291
of how things are going to go down in the UFC but um

00:26:58.291 --> 00:27:01.311
I'm just gonna take each fight

00:27:01.311 --> 00:27:04.531
one at a time and we'll

00:27:04.531 --> 00:27:07.751
see whether the right move is to you know

00:27:07.751 --> 00:27:14.811
stay at 170 or maybe go back down for a time being I was gonna and then uh come

00:27:14.811 --> 00:27:20.351
back up to 170 you know what towards then who knows because like let me ask

00:27:20.351 --> 00:27:23.831
like do the dudes in the UFC did they carry like they tend to be a little bit

00:27:23.831 --> 00:27:25.011
heavier for every weight class too?

00:27:26.031 --> 00:27:31.331
Yeah. I mean, the, the guys that I'm right now, I'm, I'm pretty much a full,

00:27:31.471 --> 00:27:33.531
I mean, I'm a 170 right now.

00:27:34.311 --> 00:27:39.191
Um, it's more just about, you know, whether you can make the weight, if you should do it.

00:27:39.391 --> 00:27:45.551
Like if I can make 155 and I'm young now, now's the time. Well, I'm young, I'm 24.

00:27:46.071 --> 00:27:51.491
So if, if I can make the weight, which I think I still can, Then I might go

00:27:51.491 --> 00:27:58.711
ahead and just bump down For just a little bit And uh yeah dream You know my dream fight,

00:27:59.799 --> 00:28:04.139
My number one aspiration is to beat Ilya Teporia. Ooh.

00:28:04.639 --> 00:28:07.779
So that would be 55.

00:28:08.239 --> 00:28:13.959
Yeah, that would be sick. I mean, depending on the results of this weekend, he might go up to 170.

00:28:15.139 --> 00:28:22.999
What's this weekend? Saturday is Makachev is fighting for the 170 title. Who's he fighting?

00:28:23.799 --> 00:28:26.659
Dela Middalena. Okay, okay, okay, okay. Yeah, yeah.

00:28:27.619 --> 00:28:31.339
That's the Australian guy, right? Yeah. That's right. Craig Jones,

00:28:31.419 --> 00:28:35.039
he's guy? Yeah. Yeah, yeah. One of Craig Jones' guys.

00:28:35.919 --> 00:28:39.779
I know he coaches Volkanovski and he coaches Jack Della.

00:28:40.219 --> 00:28:46.479
Yeah. With his anti-Dagestani jiu-jitsu or whatever he's marketing it as.

00:28:46.479 --> 00:28:48.839
That's this Saturday. Yeah, it's Saturday. Shit, man.

00:28:49.319 --> 00:28:55.579
I kind of want to watch that. And you have Valentina versus Wei Leng.

00:28:56.019 --> 00:29:00.319
Okay. Yeah, so that would be cool too. Big ladies fight. It's a good card.

00:29:00.619 --> 00:29:03.099
But I was just... Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:29:04.079 --> 00:29:06.939
Everyone thinks Tupuria might be trying to chase down Makachev,

00:29:06.979 --> 00:29:09.639
and if he has another title on the line, he might want that too.

00:29:10.679 --> 00:29:13.179
Well, Tupuria can, like, he seems like he's good at everything,

00:29:13.219 --> 00:29:14.619
right? Like, he's very well-rounded.

00:29:16.879 --> 00:29:19.139
Obviously, one would assume he goes against Makachev. It's like,

00:29:19.239 --> 00:29:21.959
all right, dude, you're going to see a different type of grappling now.

00:29:23.016 --> 00:29:26.636
So, I mean, I would love to watch that. Yeah, it'd be a cool matchup.

00:29:26.836 --> 00:29:29.336
I would love to watch that. I mean, Makachev's down.

00:29:30.036 --> 00:29:31.736
Sam's just watching, let him beat the shit out of each other.

00:29:31.876 --> 00:29:33.976
Yeah, guys, take some damage. Take some damage.

00:29:34.116 --> 00:29:37.236
I'll be there soon, man. Let's go five rounds, get real beat up.

00:29:37.396 --> 00:29:39.256
I want to get rocked a couple times.

00:29:41.696 --> 00:29:45.216
Well, it makes sense too, man. I mean, obviously, like... That fight will happen, man.

00:29:46.036 --> 00:29:48.596
The Makachev-Tapori fight will happen. It's going to happen.

00:29:48.596 --> 00:29:54.116
And I think, you know, I think he'll beat Jack Della probably.

00:29:54.296 --> 00:29:58.716
And that's too big a fight. You know, the thing that's great about the UFC is

00:29:58.716 --> 00:30:00.596
the fights that need to happen always happen.

00:30:01.056 --> 00:30:04.356
So if you got two skies that everyone wants to see fight, oh,

00:30:04.556 --> 00:30:08.016
who would win? Who would win? You know, they put it together, man.

00:30:08.216 --> 00:30:12.076
So I think it'll happen. Yeah. That's exciting.

00:30:12.656 --> 00:30:16.056
And we got this White House thing, allegedly, too, next year. Oh, yeah.

00:30:16.996 --> 00:30:20.876
Allegedly. Allegedly. John Jones? I mean, that's in our backyard, guys.

00:30:21.116 --> 00:30:26.236
There's a lot of, like, super volatile fights that they've been naming for that card, though.

00:30:26.416 --> 00:30:32.196
Like, if they're talking about McGregor, John Jones, like, it makes me a little wary.

00:30:32.416 --> 00:30:36.856
It's like, well, maybe those guys aren't going to be there. I don't know. Yeah, I don't know.

00:30:37.176 --> 00:30:43.156
John Jones under the ring again, dodging USADA. Well, not USADA this time.

00:30:43.356 --> 00:30:44.796
Would they have him fight that English guy?

00:30:45.316 --> 00:30:47.356
They'd have him fight Tom Aspinall?

00:30:47.936 --> 00:30:52.076
Maybe not now. No? Who's going to fight? Allegedly, Tom Aspen is blonde now.

00:30:52.136 --> 00:30:53.456
Alex Pereira, I think that's the fight.

00:30:53.916 --> 00:30:57.176
That's the fight. I like that. I mean, that's the fight to make. Light heavy, though?

00:30:58.016 --> 00:31:02.416
Light heavy or heavy? Heavy. No, I think Pereira would come off.

00:31:02.476 --> 00:31:03.736
He's crazy, man. He is crazy.

00:31:03.816 --> 00:31:08.336
He'll do it, yeah. He said he wants to go to heavy anyways. Yeah. All right.

00:31:09.107 --> 00:31:12.867
I mean, that's a good fight. Sam, you got to get tickets. You got to go out

00:31:12.867 --> 00:31:14.687
there and be like, yo, book my ass, dude.

00:31:14.887 --> 00:31:20.427
Man, get me on the card. Get me on the card, baby. Get me on the card, man. That would be epic.

00:31:20.987 --> 00:31:25.347
Yeah, that's a big goal of mine is to be on the first White House card.

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I think I could push my ticket this coming December.

00:31:30.807 --> 00:31:33.447
You'd be able to sleep in your own damn bed for that, too. Yeah.

00:31:33.727 --> 00:31:34.527
That would be nice, right? You'd be able to travel.

00:31:34.947 --> 00:31:37.867
That would be nice. Wouldn't that be nice? Yeah, right. why not like man we don't

00:31:37.867 --> 00:31:41.247
we got you know how like man

00:31:41.247 --> 00:31:44.127
put me on man i'm i'm fighter out the

00:31:44.127 --> 00:31:46.807
cowboy hat like i'm all

00:31:46.807 --> 00:31:52.227
american guy dude put me on this white house thing yeah yeah you just uh you

00:31:52.227 --> 00:31:57.807
know get get loud after after your fight on on the 14th get a little loud oh

00:31:57.807 --> 00:32:02.067
yeah get get noticed i already have it i already i was already i was already

00:32:02.067 --> 00:32:04.567
thinking you got a speech Hell yeah.

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Put me on UFC White House. That's what I'm saying. I mean, that's what I'm saying. I'm from here.

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Just a kid from Northern Virginia, man. Put me on. Put me on.

00:32:13.227 --> 00:32:17.387
Put me on. It's in my backyard, dude. Yeah, I like that. Trump daddy will do it.

00:32:18.667 --> 00:32:20.727
He'll do it. Just kind of shout them all out.

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It'll happen. They'll make it happen. Yeah, I like it. Hell yeah. Right on, man.

00:32:28.347 --> 00:32:32.907
All right, bro. Well, you got a... Okay, so we got... Today's the 13th.

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So we're about a month out, man.

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Yeah. Last month of training, man. How do you...

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What are you looking at for the last month? What are we going to do the last

00:32:43.231 --> 00:32:46.151
31 days between now and Fury?

00:32:46.931 --> 00:32:52.451
Just push it to the limit every... This is the push period. It's the push period still.

00:32:52.671 --> 00:32:58.231
Yeah, it's not time to taper. It's like the peak of fight camp right now.

00:32:59.011 --> 00:33:04.651
So hard training. Hard training and prioritizing sparring.

00:33:05.591 --> 00:33:09.391
Prioritizing sparring, yeah. We're digging a pit of despair, as the scene would say.

00:33:10.311 --> 00:33:14.631
Yeah right and then at what point do you kind of like start to like taper down,

00:33:15.471 --> 00:33:19.271
i mean everyone's different like

00:33:19.271 --> 00:33:22.011
uh some guys they like to go hard i know

00:33:22.011 --> 00:33:24.871
that it's general rule that two weeks out we

00:33:24.871 --> 00:33:27.891
start to taper down i do start to taper down i like

00:33:27.891 --> 00:33:31.491
to spar i still like to spar up until

00:33:31.491 --> 00:33:34.431
like 10 11 days before

00:33:34.431 --> 00:33:38.131
the fight i think it's good if you can control it

00:33:38.131 --> 00:33:40.891
the body feels good the body feels good you

00:33:40.891 --> 00:33:46.731
should do it yeah i think it's important for timing and to really feel ready

00:33:46.731 --> 00:33:53.071
for the fight to keep sparring some guys will kind of only drill two weeks out

00:33:53.071 --> 00:33:58.311
but i like to spar a little closer nothing crazy but yeah i just keep myself sharp,

00:33:59.051 --> 00:34:01.751
and uh i'll be pushing it until like,

00:34:02.581 --> 00:34:08.001
10 to 14 days out. Yeah. What adjustments do you make to your like sparring

00:34:08.001 --> 00:34:09.521
regime when you're doing, uh,

00:34:10.201 --> 00:34:13.241
when, when you get to that taper period, if you, so, you know,

00:34:13.301 --> 00:34:15.661
cause you're saying you like to do it till 10, is there any adjustments you

00:34:15.661 --> 00:34:20.181
make or do you, are you still going or, you know, do you change up the,

00:34:20.181 --> 00:34:22.361
the safety measures or anything like that?

00:34:23.361 --> 00:34:30.481
It, it depends, man. Uh, if I feel like I really need to keep, keep pushing it,

00:34:30.721 --> 00:34:34.121
then I'll, I'll, I'll go hard yeah I'll

00:34:34.121 --> 00:34:37.481
go hard you know same same rules

00:34:37.481 --> 00:34:40.701
apply like elbow pads knee pads like you keep

00:34:40.701 --> 00:34:43.741
everything safe but just spar hard

00:34:43.741 --> 00:34:50.361
and push it just try to be uncomfortable push myself against training partners

00:34:50.361 --> 00:34:54.961
that I don't want to that are going to be tough rounds and shark tank myself

00:34:54.961 --> 00:35:00.941
let myself get exhausted have fresh guys come in to spar me train with me yeah

00:35:00.941 --> 00:35:02.021
that's what it's all about.

00:35:02.824 --> 00:35:05.984
Push it. Push it. Are you going with randoms at that point usually?

00:35:06.464 --> 00:35:09.464
No. I was going to say. Not at all. I was going to say.

00:35:10.064 --> 00:35:14.144
It's like no better good dudes. Dudes that you know who are tough,

00:35:14.244 --> 00:35:18.324
they're not going to let you go easy, but they're not like random psychos. Yeah, absolutely.

00:35:18.884 --> 00:35:22.444
I'm at that point now where I don't go with randoms anymore at all,

00:35:22.564 --> 00:35:26.204
ever. Even if I'm not even getting ready for a fight, man, I don't have the time.

00:35:27.424 --> 00:35:30.224
I don't have the time to get injured. The randoms see you and they're probably

00:35:30.224 --> 00:35:31.264
like, oh, it's Sam Kilmer.

00:35:31.904 --> 00:35:39.444
Target, right? Yeah, sure. Sometimes it's like that or they just can't help it.

00:35:39.604 --> 00:35:41.804
You know how easy some people are.

00:35:44.684 --> 00:35:51.744
You get fucked up by one random right before in the last stretch of a fur fight

00:35:51.744 --> 00:35:54.304
and you're just done with them forever after that.

00:35:54.504 --> 00:35:57.164
I had that happen once, so I get that.

00:35:57.624 --> 00:36:02.444
Or somewhat even, it's just like you train with them and they might not even

00:36:02.444 --> 00:36:05.884
have any ill will or they might not be a spaz or anything like that,

00:36:06.024 --> 00:36:08.964
but you guys just, for whatever reason, just keep injuring each other.

00:36:09.024 --> 00:36:11.784
It's like, well, maybe we shouldn't be training with each other all the time.

00:36:13.504 --> 00:36:18.464
It's a dangerous game, man. I mean, getting out of a training camp and trying

00:36:18.464 --> 00:36:23.664
to be 100%, something's always kind of banged up, but trying to hold it all

00:36:23.664 --> 00:36:25.384
together is like half the battle, I feel like.

00:36:25.824 --> 00:36:28.564
Yeah, consistency. Consistency is key.

00:36:28.984 --> 00:36:32.424
Man, like having a whole fight camp where you don't get injured,

00:36:32.564 --> 00:36:35.164
you don't have to take any time off is...

00:36:35.700 --> 00:36:39.060
Is important like even if that means

00:36:39.060 --> 00:36:42.080
okay maybe on some days like i'm not

00:36:42.080 --> 00:36:45.060
gonna go crazy like i'm not gonna tax myself

00:36:45.060 --> 00:36:47.860
to the absolute limit because you have to some days do that

00:36:47.860 --> 00:36:51.640
it's like you got to find the fine line because the

00:36:51.640 --> 00:36:54.520
most important thing is consistency and that's what

00:36:54.520 --> 00:36:57.440
feels best when you're at the end of a fight camp

00:36:57.440 --> 00:37:01.400
and you've done everything you needed to do it mainly

00:37:01.400 --> 00:37:04.460
comes from like knowing that you made it to every training session

00:37:04.460 --> 00:37:07.160
you did the work you did the

00:37:07.160 --> 00:37:09.920
work yeah and you didn't miss any days you didn't.

00:37:09.920 --> 00:37:13.040
Leave any stone unturned you didn't skip any workouts yes sir

00:37:13.040 --> 00:37:16.020
yeah sam do you see yourself pursuing a coaching career

00:37:16.020 --> 00:37:18.860
one day i know you coach but like do you like see that

00:37:18.860 --> 00:37:22.720
maybe post like pro athlete not really

00:37:22.720 --> 00:37:25.500
no i i've i think there's a

00:37:25.500 --> 00:37:28.640
lot of coaches out there and i like coaching not

00:37:28.640 --> 00:37:31.800
like i would love to teach seminars and

00:37:31.800 --> 00:37:34.940
uh you know i've been

00:37:34.940 --> 00:37:38.820
been a coach before so i like coaching yeah but full-time coach

00:37:38.820 --> 00:37:42.200
like open up a gym i don't know maybe not

00:37:42.200 --> 00:37:44.960
for me it's tough maybe not for me i've seen a lot of

00:37:44.960 --> 00:37:48.300
people get into that that's like uh that's a thing that a lot of people are

00:37:48.300 --> 00:37:58.020
into so it's it's like uh maybe not for me yeah yeah yeah i get that do you

00:37:58.020 --> 00:38:03.920
uh i know this is hopefully a long way out for you But where do you see yourself on the other side of,

00:38:03.920 --> 00:38:06.780
of your MMA career then if.

00:38:07.180 --> 00:38:10.500
You know, you're not, if you're taking coaching off the table,

00:38:10.760 --> 00:38:11.660
what do you, what do you think?

00:38:12.340 --> 00:38:13.960
Race car driver. Ooh.

00:38:14.860 --> 00:38:18.940
Sam's in, Sam's in formula one. So the next high risk thing,

00:38:19.100 --> 00:38:21.960
dude, self-proclaim mass car driver. I like that dude.

00:38:22.300 --> 00:38:24.540
Yeah. Oh, um, yeah.

00:38:25.069 --> 00:38:28.489
He might be built for NASCAR. I think he might be a little big for Formula One,

00:38:28.509 --> 00:38:32.109
though. Sam likes danger, dude. I think Sam likes a little bit of danger.

00:38:32.709 --> 00:38:36.849
Yeah. I do like danger. I know. I do like danger. I know you do. Yeah.

00:38:37.409 --> 00:38:42.449
Yeah, I mean, I've kind of got my own plans and my own things kind of already in the works.

00:38:43.129 --> 00:38:46.129
But that's all yet to come.

00:38:46.289 --> 00:38:51.329
And I'll kind of get into that more after this fight. But I've kind of already

00:38:51.329 --> 00:38:53.129
got some side missions. You're cooking.

00:38:53.589 --> 00:38:56.169
I'm cooking, brother. Give me some time. We're cooking, dude.

00:38:56.889 --> 00:39:00.309
It's like the chili. It's like that chili. Just put it in the crock pot.

00:39:00.389 --> 00:39:03.769
Let it stew. Yeah. Right on, man. Let it get real good.

00:39:04.189 --> 00:39:07.609
Yeah, dude. We're excited, man. You're going to do great on the 14th.

00:39:08.049 --> 00:39:13.149
You're going to hold the line. You're going to defend this title, smack some dudes down.

00:39:13.709 --> 00:39:17.449
Yes, sir. And then, dude, it'd be nice. Don't forget us when you get that UFC

00:39:17.449 --> 00:39:19.869
White House call, man. That'd be nice.

00:39:20.389 --> 00:39:23.549
That'd be real good. Yeah, man. you got bro we're

00:39:23.549 --> 00:39:28.069
gonna we're gonna bro out there it's gonna be epic awesome

00:39:28.069 --> 00:39:30.949
man yeah man um well sam it's

00:39:30.949 --> 00:39:34.509
great having you on uh it's really cool seeing like i

00:39:34.509 --> 00:39:37.169
wasn't there a lot when you were just get when you were just getting started

00:39:37.169 --> 00:39:42.549
dma but i do remember like when you were just a youngin um so i mean it's really

00:39:42.549 --> 00:39:47.509
cool seeing someone come up from like starting out like that and what all you've

00:39:47.509 --> 00:39:51.549
accomplished and what you're yet to accomplish so it'll be really cool.

00:39:51.849 --> 00:39:56.409
We'll, uh, we'll definitely have to keep your career, uh, keep following it

00:39:56.409 --> 00:39:59.889
and keep our people, uh, in the know.

00:40:00.049 --> 00:40:03.849
So maybe we'll keep updating as we're going as those cool things happen.

00:40:04.169 --> 00:40:08.689
Um, but thank you guys for listening to fires, drinking coffee,

00:40:08.909 --> 00:40:10.469
Sam, where can they find you?

00:40:10.729 --> 00:40:15.889
Uh, where can people keep up with your happenings?

00:40:17.039 --> 00:40:22.299
I've got social media, Instagram, Sam underscore Kilmer.

00:40:23.159 --> 00:40:25.919
And yeah, that's where you can find me.

00:40:27.319 --> 00:40:31.599
Yeah. Awesome. Thank you for having me on, guys. You guys are the best.

00:40:32.319 --> 00:40:35.959
Absolutely, man. We were glad you made it in. And we'll put that in the show

00:40:35.959 --> 00:40:37.459
notes so people can find you.

00:40:37.659 --> 00:40:42.659
We'll tag you when we drop the episode so people have access to seeing what

00:40:42.659 --> 00:40:45.559
all you're up to with your fighting career and everything.

00:40:47.199 --> 00:40:51.559
Other than that, guys, keep listening to the show. Hit those five-star reviews.

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That helps us out. It helps us in the algorithm.

00:40:54.879 --> 00:40:57.879
So that bumps us up the charts, gets us in front of more people.

00:40:58.959 --> 00:41:03.359
Get Sam's pay-per-view on the 14th. Buy that pay-per-view. We'll throw that link in there, too.

00:41:03.619 --> 00:41:08.319
I'll throw that in the show notes so that you guys can, and we'll bump it again

00:41:08.319 --> 00:41:10.119
as we get closer to the fight. Cool.

00:41:10.419 --> 00:41:15.299
Because you might not buy it a month ahead, but we'll make sure that it gets out there.

00:41:15.299 --> 00:41:22.819
Um and other than that uh you know we got all the other links in the in the

00:41:22.819 --> 00:41:29.999
show description discord discounts um yeah guys thanks for listening to fire drinking coffee bye.