(Ep 37) Tap Early, Learn Fast — White Belt Mentality & Survival Tips

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Welcome back to Fighters Drinking Coffee.

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So, you've signed the waiver, you've walked into the gym,

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you've gotten the rental gi that's been washed, it's clean, you can tell it

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doesn't stink, it stinks, you know, but it's fine, a little salty,

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it's the tears of the guy who wore it before you,

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and you're given a white belt.

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It's your first time training. You've never done jujitsu before.

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You get on the mat and you suck. But don't worry, it's not forever.

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So the white belt experience, white belt mentality. We talk about this.

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We've talked about this with other people. We've had guests on.

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And we talk about being new at something and not necessarily being the best at it anymore.

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And that's one of the beautiful things about jujitsu, right?

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You have people from all kinds of walks of life. Some of them are the best at

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whatever it is they do in their professional career.

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Like they're great. They're crushing it. They're making tons of money.

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I don't know. However you want to measure your, your success. I,

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that's how you do it in business sometimes, but you know, like however you measure

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your success in your thing that you do,

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and then You're getting beat up by a hundred pound kid who's 14, you know, like,

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and it's humbling, right?

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You've got that scrawny kid who's beating you up, but you're like,

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but I'm so good at this other thing.

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But you're not good at jujitsu yet.

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So we've been doing this for a while. We both have, it was a different world

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when we started too. I think that's like one of the, we were talking about that

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before we started, uh, recording is like how different it is now.

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Um, so there are definitely things that I wish people, like,

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I wish people told me when I started or, you know,

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things I would probably go back and tell myself because of the journey I've been on.

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Right. Like it's, it's, uh, some of it might be specific to my journey in jiu-jitsu

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but either way you know it's like um we both will have we both have things like

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that well we also have some stories i'm sure of the people that we started with um,

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But let's start with the concept of the white belt mentality. You're in a new place.

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You've never done jujitsu. Maybe you are a black belt in a different art, even.

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But that doesn't matter here. You're on new mats with new people doing something new.

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And one of the first things you

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should be doing is leaving everything in i'm not saying leave your ego at the

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door yeah whatever there's an amount of ego that you should have because yes

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different episode ego is a whole different thing um that's the cliche though

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leave your ego at the door.

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But what I would recommend is leave all of that other knowledge and experience

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for now because it might be helpful later.

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Leave it off the mats for now because you are here to learn jujitsu.

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That would be my first thing. And next week,

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you'll get to hear an episode about belt promotions this kind

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of plays into that you might be really good

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at something else that might be applicable but that does like let's focus on

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jiu-jitsu right now let's get good at that let's be bad at something so that

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we can get better at it right um so yeah i mean inputs on that scott Well,

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the first thing I would tell a white belt is learn how to tap out.

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So, yeah, like we were discussing before the show about how different it was

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when we first started 20 years ago.

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Towards the beginning of the millennia.

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Dude, we used to get just, like, I think I rolled immediately.

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Which is, like, there's...

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Maybe at some point we can talk about how much different, how good these white

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belts got it now these days compared to when we first started.

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But, yeah, when I first started, you sort of got tossed into it.

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And it wasn't like there was, you know, no guidance whatsoever.

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That would be a little extreme to say.

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But you went to, like, your average...

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All levels class even now right to this day

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has like warm-up technique then sparring

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seems to be like a common formula for pretty much all classes in some capacity

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um that was the case when i first started and it was like you would show up

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and where i trained there wasn't really like an intro program you just you went

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to classes and people were cool people people were,

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fine back then um it's not like

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everyone was kind of like i mean people would definitely

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wear out to kill you that hasn't really changed you're the new

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guy like sometimes people just come after you big deal learn to

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tap which you know like it's not that hard you tap

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a bunch of times on the person on the mat you scream if you

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have to but do all that because like

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you said you're the new dude and you don't know

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anything but that yeah duh that's

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why you showed up that's why you signed up like he said that's why you signed

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the waiver that's why you're like you're here like i don't know shit like cool let's

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go learn some stuff um and i

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i do think um i try to be sympathetic to this um i

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think it's it's nackapan teaches these really good seminars on like um the new

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the the customer experience for a brand new person we talked about this district

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martial arts too for sure um but like you know when when someone arrives for

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like a free trial or whatever like They're probably nervous.

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That's, and that's a reasonable place to be. I mean, if you're not nervous,

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that's, I mean, it'd be nice if they weren't nervous, but like,

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I think it's understandable.

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It's, it's a, it can be kind of like intimidating to show up.

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In a fighting gym everyone thinks that like i mean you you know part of like

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our job like speaking to these seminars and to make this as welcoming as possible

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so like because i think everyone's aware um on the other side of things like

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hey like we were all once the brand new guy and,

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you want that person to you want to welcome

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you want to like get them indoctrinated into the into the

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culture in a healthy way and let them like make

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them feel as comfortable as possible doing this new challenging

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thing because that's what it is um and like this

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is i think the theme of like what you what you let let

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us in here is like hey like you suck no big deal that's why

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you're here you want to like pick up something new and you're

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going to learn hopefully going to show

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up as often as your contract at your academy

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will allow um and max that out

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like if you're new like max that out man go go get

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your your money's worth go squeeze all the knowledge you can out

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of it um but it is challenging it can be

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a little scary for people these are reasonable emotions and

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that's i would say that's kind of like your central nervous system kind of like preparing you

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for like fun new experience it's gonna be a challenge oh cool i'm giddy yeah

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you were nervous you know yeah yeah yeah nervous the first time you do anything

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that's right probably nervous the first time you met your significant other

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you know if that's what it is to give someone a good analogy, a good like.

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Hey, remember when you met that

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person you really like? Nerves are a good thing. Yeah, you were nervous.

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Nerves are a good thing. Yeah, it's a normal, it's a healthy,

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good thing. It worked out fine for you. Yeah, yeah.

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Sure. But anyways, but yeah, dude, like I said, go back to my first statement, like learn to tap out.

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You're the new dude. Like the point of jujitsu amongst other things,

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if you listen to this and you're pretty new, it's to learn how to like,

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Positionally grapple someone so you can submit them. So submissions are coming.

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One of the submissions is to get the other person to quit before something breaks.

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Fall asleep. So like you don't want to break, you don't want to fall asleep,

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particularly when you're new.

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Really ever, but like it, whatever. Another conversation. That'll end up happening

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at some point, but that's all part of the fun experience too.

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Side note on that for the guys who are rolling with the new guy.

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Yeah, don't try to hurt them. Also make sure that they might not know when to

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tap yet. So if they're not tapping, let's look out for our new friend before

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they never come back again. That's right.

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People, for the most part, are really good about that, thankfully.

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And that's just like, you know, you have a good training culture.

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People look out for the new guys usually. It's really nice. Don't be the guy

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the coach says, don't roll with him.

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To the new guy, right? Yeah, I mean, God, it's been so long, but like, no.

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I mean, I can tell you this, in 20 years, I've lost count of how many times I've tapped out.

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It just becomes behavior. Like, you got to do it. It's, yeah,

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obviously, you're protecting yourself.

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It's also, like, usually at that point, for our white belts,

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like, that's, like, a good stopping point for you to, like, that's a moment of education, too.

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So, I guess other thing for white belts, it's, like, this isn't so easy to articulate,

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but I'll attempt to do it.

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If you know how you learn things and your mind is well-trained to stop and pay

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attention to data you're receiving and saying, oh, cool, it just happened, I tapped out.

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So when you're white, but you might not know that just yet. Like you said,

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maybe you're good at doing that in other environments.

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So to kind of respond to what you said earlier, in a healthy way,

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if you know how you learn, if you've mastered a skill in something else,

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and you understand the system you learned,

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from whatever that experience is and that is a framework mentally for you to

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develop skills, you could take something like that and try to apply whatever

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that mental framework is towards this new experience, but do that.

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Do something like that to the best of your ability. If you don't have that schematic

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in your brain, try it in this environment. For me, it's been...

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Personal thing. I take most of the, of the skills or hats that I wear in life

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and try to apply a jujitsu framework to it. Maybe I don't know, a meathead thing.

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It's like, this is one of the only things I actually, I think I understand.

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Um, and so it's been a really useful tool for me to like white belt mentality, perhaps to, to, uh.

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Assess whatever it is I'm doing

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in life and say, all right, how is this a parallel to what I do to that.

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That, that framework for me that as a person like

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that that experience is like a really

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useful schematic for me for like extracting value so

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maybe mine is the reverse it's sort of like um jitsu

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taught me how to learn better probably because i care about

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it school didn't teach me how to learn it may

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have it didn't not but it didn't um

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you gotta like i guess if you find something you care

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about and you really like and you like want to get the most out of it like learn to

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do these things but anyways so like i use jiu-jitsu you

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for like other stuff in life but anyways like if you're coming you're

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coming to you're the new guy and you know maybe you're like 30 or something

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like you're not like a brand new human being i started when i

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was like a teenager um so i was a brand new human being

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but um ish technically you

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were but a boy i was but a boy definitely but

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but anyways um so i was too much of a fucking dumbass

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to like really understand how to do this jiu-jitsu was my like

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you know my my life lesson um but if you're

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like coming into this as like a as like a grown man or grown woman or whatever and like

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you know you can use some wisdom from some

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like like i said it's all for me goes back to just like learning like just

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knowing how how you learn and pick things up like take that um

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take that framework try to be as observant as possible in this new experience

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um you talked about this in last episode which is like have fun man have fun

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have fun being the new guy and like not like being being at the bottom of the

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totem pole no big deal again that's why you showed up like you i i've i.

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Competition pivot. We should have a button that we push and we should win.

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Yeah, we get a button, dude, for when we use the competition parallel.

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But I talk about this with people who are going into their first competition,

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particularly if they've never competed in a lot of sports before.

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Because if you have athletes or wrestlers, great example, they kind of understand

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a lot of this stuff already. Wrestling is the best.

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It's great. But anyways, what it does to,

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an athlete, insofar as like teaching them systems and

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like how to like get it yeah just just systems but

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anyways i'll come back to that maybe i will maybe it won't whatever like if

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you don't have let's not commit to it let's not commit to it it'll probably

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let's not sign ourselves up for something the competition what i was going to

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say was like when when someone does their first competition i always i have

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this like refrain where i'm like you haven't really earned the right to have expectations just yet,

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you know like if i think it's really good like go in with the attitude like

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i'm going to do my best I'm going to go for the win.

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But if you're expecting to be like the beast at the thing you've never done

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before, that could have a negative impact.

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So it's go in with an idea and a goal and assess yourself, right?

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Like have a plan, try to execute it, but like you don't know what you don't know.

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And so competition pivot was,

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I'm going to, I don't remember why or how I pivoted it, but it was a lot.

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No, that makes sense. You can't go into your, I get you.

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You can't go into your first competition expecting certain results.

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Just like you can't, if you walk into the gym and your expectation is,

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oh, you know, in like two to three years, I'm going to be the best one in here

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or I'm going to get my black belt in three and a half years.

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I'm the next big thing, Derek Moneyberg.

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That was uncalled. It's kind of called for.

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You know, like you, you have to have realistic expectations.

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And if you set a goal, that's like so lofty that you're going to be disappointed

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in a month, you know, like that's what we're talking about.

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You need to have a realistic expectation of what this is going to be.

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You're brand new. You've never done this before. If you think that,

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you know, I'm going to show up, I'm just going to be naturally good at this.

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And then my goal from this is I'm going to be competing on the biggest stage

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and I'm going to be right up there with the best people.

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You're probably going to quit. If that's your goal,

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you're probably going to quit when in two years you're getting smashed by the

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dude who just dropped his kids off at soccer practice,

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smells like you know

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cigarettes like you're gonna be bummed

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out when that is just crushing you and you you're just still still suck at jiu-jitsu

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because you're so focused on this lofty goal right so like you gotta leave that

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idea behind your goal should just be to learn jiu-jitsu um,

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So like, yeah, you, you, you, just like you said, you don't have saved me,

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Mike. You don't have the right.

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You don't have the right to have expectations like that. Yeah.

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You got to earn the expectation.

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That's something that you can develop later, like develop that goal later of

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what you want your jujitsu journey to be.

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Your goal should be show up to have a jujitsu journey. Yeah.

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You know, like I think, I think that's a really good point. And like, yeah, absolutely.

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That, that parallel with competition, like, I mean, any competition doesn't

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have to be your first one.

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You should not have an expectation of how that, that comp's going to turn out

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because you're just setting yourself up to fail.

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If you go and you're like, I'm going to do X, Y, Z, I'm going to put them in

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this hole and then I'm going to win.

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You're going to not do any of that. And then that first move happens,

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whatever it is, doesn't work. And then you're like, fuck, what do I do?

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I guess I'll lose, right? Like

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just you're setting yourself up for failure because it's just too rigid.

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So, I mean, be flexible, right? That's a good one. That's a good one.

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I think that's kind of like be- Mentally, emotionally flexible.

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Definitely emotionally. You could be literally flexible too.

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That's fine, but I know where you're at.

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Also helpful when jujitsu, but you know, like be ready to pivot.

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Things are going to happen in your life. And like this probably falls into the

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things I wish I, like this is something I would tell myself,

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um, back at day one, things are going to happen in your life.

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The, your, the gym, your training ass going to close, your coach is going to

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move or your training partners are going to move.

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And like, things are going to change and your life is going to change,

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especially when you started as young as we did.

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Like when you started as a teenager, a bunch of different shit's going to happen in your life.

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And between when you started in when, well, I don't know, wherever you are in

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jiu-jitsu now, not going to say when your jiu-jitsu journey ends.

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Hopefully that's when you're dead.

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Agreed. But, you know, like your...

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A lot of, you have to be willing to take that adversity because honestly,

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like that's one of the biggest things that like you can learn from jujitsu is stuff's going to suck.

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It's going to, you're going to have, you're going to experience adversity.

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You're going to have hard things that you have to problem solve.

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Um, and you know, that's just, that's something that's going to,

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that you're going to have to deal with the whole time you're doing jiu-jitsu.

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And if you accept that now as a white belt and you prepare yourself for that mentally,

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you're going to be way better off than your peers that don't accept that and

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aren't ready for that because they're too focused on their goal and not willing

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to change that or willing to adapt to that, which is good.

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It's good to be focused on your goal, but you got to be ready to adapt.

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You got to be flexible with your game plan competition pivot but you know you

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got to be you got to be flexible with all of that because,

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jiu-jitsu is ever-changing everyone you train with is moving or moving around

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you might move for a career opportunity outside of jiu-jitsu and it puts you

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in a new place and this is another me thing you got to find it you should find

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a new place to train right that was a little.

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But you know like don't stop doing it just because it's not the exact environment

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it's not perfect anymore right like you're not comfortable you're gonna be uncomfortable,

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so like that that's another aspect of that be willing to be uncomfortable be,

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flexible all of that I think that's excellent I had a conversation with one

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of our fighters a couple months back about how,

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over the course we've been fighting for like 7 or 8 years now pretty good amount

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of time but kind of on that he's like new-ish in the bigger picture but like,

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tenured enough that like he's like i've seen these guys like some of my closest

00:19:50.838 --> 00:19:55.658
my my closest best and favorite training partner moved on things are going to

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change like you said and like that,

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i think that's really good it's really wise mike to to share that um and you

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know like you've talked about so many times it's like just keep showing up keep

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showing up because yes like things are going to change um environments will

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change people will change you will change and um.

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Ideally the white belt's listening like this is something you want to commit to

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for years like if you're going to commit to it like keep active like when

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things change like you said like say it's a personal change like

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you went from training three to five times a

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week and you have a kid you get a new job you

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moved to a new city or whatever like your cadence maybe dips down to once a

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week or once every other week like it's still better than nothing and um now

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the ideal situation be like are you you go through that change and then you

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find your your your rhythm back to getting a good velocity of training three to five days back.

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That's ideal. Um, but it may not be always realistic depending on the circumstances of your life.

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So, um, but whatever it is, like keep, keep your activity up,

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be flexible. Like you said, be mentally and emotionally agile.

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And, um, these are, I mean, these are parallels like you, you learn it from

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jiu-jitsu, how to like do these things, how to endure tough situations,

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um, and, and keep moving, for example.

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So, um, I think that's a really good one, man, for the

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white belts and for everyone for the all

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belts a little bit but definitely at white like that's something

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that um i mean

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i i think i moved within the first year and

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a half three different gyms three different gyms a lot um it started at one

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then that program closed followed the kush to another one he was like oh well

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go to this gym um i was at that place for like three, four months,

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four months, that gym closed,

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that gym closed, um.

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Sold actually to a karate place, which then was like, well, you can come do karate.

00:22:02.441 --> 00:22:04.741
I don't want to do karate. I'm doing jujitsu.

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Interesting. So they bought a jujitsu business to then make,

00:22:08.971 --> 00:22:11.491
I think they just bought the client list. Oh, interesting. You know,

00:22:11.591 --> 00:22:17.831
it is one of those where they probably bought the client list and they did whatever.

00:22:18.231 --> 00:22:20.851
I don't know. I was like, fascinating business decisions. I'm cool,

00:22:20.851 --> 00:22:21.771
just cancel my membership.

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I'll figure it out. Then I was training at college. Then I found Nova MMA.

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And then I was there for a while.

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And then, yeah, whatever. That changed. But so like, it's, you know,

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that's a very normal thing that happens.

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Coaches leave, gyms close, training partners leave.

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It happens um another thing

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is learn to troubleshoot we have

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this and it just lends into what you're talking about

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with tap right we have this awesome thing

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in this sport where like you can

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reset every you get a redo button right every single

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round you get redo buttons when you're in the gym down the

00:23:02.131 --> 00:23:06.871
tournament whatever yeah that's not what we're talking about but you get a redo

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button right like we're rolling you pass my guard you go in you hit an arm bar

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tap let's redo it let's start over you you just sit there you can just troubleshoot

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you can go through the exact same thing over and over and over again it can even be a replay button,

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over and over and over again each time get a little bit better a little bit

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better a little bit better a little bit better so like.

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Be willing to do that. Tap early. Tap often. Be in bad positions.

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Lose. You're in the gym.

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There's no gym record. You don't have a record of your sparring rounds.

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Lose over and over and over again until you're not losing in those situations.

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Force, it makes you better. It makes your partners better. Just keep losing.

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Until you're not losing in those situations. You start getting the better of those scenarios.

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But just keep doing it. Use that reset button, tap, do it again,

00:24:10.140 --> 00:24:11.760
and just keep doing it again.

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That's something, honestly, that probably would have benefited me at one point

00:24:16.560 --> 00:24:21.600
where rather than learning something, you're like, I'll just do the thing I'm good at.

00:24:21.960 --> 00:24:27.180
I'll just wrestle or I'll just be on top. I just won't be on bottom anymore. it sucks.

00:24:27.340 --> 00:24:30.200
I don't want to be there. If dude keeps tapping me out. Um.

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Eventually you get over it. Great example was when I first started training

00:24:36.273 --> 00:24:42.333
with Sam, Jawa at when we were at Nova, he would hit the same,

00:24:42.493 --> 00:24:43.853
it was like the same move on me.

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I can't, but he would hit the exact same move out on me.

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This was when he was a purple belt, and I believe I might've been when I was a white belt still.

00:24:52.833 --> 00:24:58.633
And like, it frustrated the hell out of me because he kept hitting the same move.

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But instead of like this this was

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the point where i actually started trying to be good at jujitsu um rather

00:25:05.413 --> 00:25:09.773
than but so rather than like just be

00:25:09.773 --> 00:25:12.693
like you know what i'm just not going to go to that situation i was

00:25:12.693 --> 00:25:16.353
like no i'm going to go here every single

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minute of every single role until this stops

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happening and like that's gonna make

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you better be willing to lose over and

00:25:25.853 --> 00:25:29.553
over again especially in the beginning um because

00:25:29.553 --> 00:25:32.593
then it turns into a game right of like well my goal

00:25:32.593 --> 00:25:40.893
today which actually set goals um micro goals you know like my goal today is

00:25:40.893 --> 00:25:47.113
to rather than getting swept here in guard from this position is to you know

00:25:47.113 --> 00:25:50.413
maybe i force them to use a different sweep Or.

00:25:51.113 --> 00:25:56.073
I mean, ultimately, you know, if I can win the exchange, but force the exchange

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to be different than it was yesterday.

00:25:58.293 --> 00:26:01.413
Make them do something different because I'm able to block whatever it was they've

00:26:01.413 --> 00:26:04.053
been beating me with every day, right?

00:26:04.453 --> 00:26:09.673
So, like, knowing, don't, this goes back to the not setting the lofty goal, right?

00:26:09.853 --> 00:26:14.293
Have that goal be so small that you're able to attain it that,

00:26:14.613 --> 00:26:17.793
like, when you go into the gym, because you're going to keep coming back.

00:26:17.793 --> 00:26:21.933
You're gonna keep showing up you're gonna keep getting better versus like.

00:26:22.952 --> 00:26:25.392
And I, I mean, you know, rather than setting yourself up for failure and being,

00:26:25.392 --> 00:26:29.792
I'm going to fight in the UFC. I think less people do that now than they used to.

00:26:30.152 --> 00:26:33.272
People still do, but I don't think it's just like, you don't have as much of

00:26:33.272 --> 00:26:37.912
it as you used to, um, you know, like if that's your goal, cool.

00:26:38.452 --> 00:26:42.232
But what's your goal today? Let's not talk about the road. Yeah.

00:26:42.232 --> 00:26:43.992
It's not what's your, you need a goal for today.

00:26:44.572 --> 00:26:49.572
So, um, that would be another advice I have that I set that whenever I do,

00:26:49.852 --> 00:26:52.072
when I'm editing the podcast.

00:26:53.281 --> 00:26:55.281
Well, I'm going to make the audio quality a little bit better today.

00:26:55.441 --> 00:26:58.941
You know, I get a redo button on this too. I hit undo if it fucks it up.

00:26:59.201 --> 00:27:03.401
Go. Same thing when I'm doing like content stuff and I'm like doing tutorial,

00:27:03.621 --> 00:27:07.341
like video tutorials for whatever I'm doing.

00:27:09.881 --> 00:27:12.921
I hate social media, but it's something I have to do. Right.

00:27:13.361 --> 00:27:18.581
So when I'm doing content, sometimes it doesn't get the traction.

00:27:19.201 --> 00:27:22.061
All right. Well, we won't do that one again. We'll try something else. Right.

00:27:22.061 --> 00:27:24.901
Same same thing as jujitsu but you

00:27:24.901 --> 00:27:27.781
can translate that anywhere you guys all did

00:27:27.781 --> 00:27:31.021
this crazy hands you guys all did this when

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you started your career right you tried new

00:27:33.961 --> 00:27:36.981
things you went out there

00:27:36.981 --> 00:27:39.881
and you know you wanted

00:27:39.881 --> 00:27:42.701
to you had a goal of where you wanted to end up but

00:27:42.701 --> 00:27:45.961
you knew you had to try out how

00:27:45.961 --> 00:27:50.081
to get there you did one

00:27:50.081 --> 00:27:52.901
job and you were told that you need to do x y and

00:27:52.901 --> 00:27:57.061
z to get to the next position or to to elevate

00:27:57.061 --> 00:27:59.881
yourself from there and like you figured out how to

00:27:59.881 --> 00:28:03.461
do that your way and you know sometimes

00:28:03.461 --> 00:28:06.601
you messed up guarantee you most most

00:28:06.601 --> 00:28:11.861
people weren't perfect at whatever career they're in now when they first started

00:28:11.861 --> 00:28:16.161
you made mistakes maybe you got fired maybe you had to find maybe you found

00:28:16.161 --> 00:28:22.081
a new job maybe you couldn't move up wherever you were so you got as high as

00:28:22.081 --> 00:28:26.021
you could and then you took that experience you went over here and you got higher up you know,

00:28:26.601 --> 00:28:32.641
it just it's gonna be like that right so uh i'm gonna start rambling if i keep

00:28:32.641 --> 00:28:36.361
talking we're gonna have to redirect a little bit yeah i can help you out now

00:28:36.361 --> 00:28:41.861
you know i like that it's in amongst the things you said that were valuable.

00:28:42.721 --> 00:28:45.881
One of the good ones I think was the micro goals, which we've talked about.

00:28:45.981 --> 00:28:46.841
We've had an episode of that before.

00:28:47.441 --> 00:28:51.641
It's, um, cause another theme that we spoke about earlier, things are going

00:28:51.641 --> 00:28:52.921
to change. Like you're, you.

00:28:53.983 --> 00:28:56.883
If you're a white boat listening, you're going to pick up skills quickly,

00:28:56.903 --> 00:28:59.683
actually. You will acquire a bunch of skills. You're going to start learning.

00:29:00.163 --> 00:29:02.743
All this stuff is talking about badness and that, but you're going to learn,

00:29:02.843 --> 00:29:04.243
and that's going to be fucking cool.

00:29:04.383 --> 00:29:06.143
You're going to have fun. You're going to be like, ooh, there's going to be

00:29:06.143 --> 00:29:12.543
a lot of big aha moments that happen in rapid succession pretty quickly.

00:29:12.763 --> 00:29:16.723
If you're assuming you're training decently often and you're trying this out,

00:29:16.743 --> 00:29:19.023
and you're like, I'm having fun. I'm going to keep getting better.

00:29:20.423 --> 00:29:23.963
And then you might plateau a little bit, but even like it's like you know or

00:29:23.963 --> 00:29:25.503
you might experience what feels like a plateau.

00:29:26.683 --> 00:29:29.423
Where perhaps your your goals have shifted a little bit you're like all right

00:29:29.423 --> 00:29:32.323
well i'm not just a white belt i'm a white belt with one or two stripes now

00:29:32.323 --> 00:29:35.703
so i know a little bit and um

00:29:36.143 --> 00:29:38.963
now i want to do well against the other two three

00:29:38.963 --> 00:29:41.783
stripe white belts or whatever plus close getting blue

00:29:41.783 --> 00:29:45.743
belt parallels to what we talked about earlier um but

00:29:45.743 --> 00:29:48.563
having those miniature goals and like

00:29:48.563 --> 00:29:53.003
remembering that frame of mind of I'm picking

00:29:53.003 --> 00:29:56.343
up the following skills and let's say definitely not

00:29:56.343 --> 00:29:59.843
mastering them as well she might feel like I'm starting to get it so

00:29:59.843 --> 00:30:03.323
some things might not be as hard for you the next thing is going to be hard

00:30:03.323 --> 00:30:08.403
next hard challenging situation is going to be it'll come quickly and it's usually

00:30:08.403 --> 00:30:13.103
in you know presented to you when you start to think that way like what I mentioned

00:30:13.103 --> 00:30:16.483
earlier we're like okay I got a couple stripes now maybe I've been on the mat six, seven months,

00:30:16.723 --> 00:30:18.923
training two to three times a week. Like I'm picking this stuff up.

00:30:19.603 --> 00:30:23.683
Um, but now you want to like try to pull off either the stuff you're getting

00:30:23.683 --> 00:30:26.343
good at or the new thing on someone is a little bit better than you,

00:30:26.443 --> 00:30:27.403
or at least as good as you.

00:30:27.483 --> 00:30:29.823
And it starts getting hard. It's hard again.

00:30:30.263 --> 00:30:35.603
Um, so what kind of remembering that always, like when you rapidly start to

00:30:35.603 --> 00:30:38.983
grow, just temper your expectations. Like we talked about earlier,

00:30:38.983 --> 00:30:41.303
remember like, Hey, you're, you're still early on in this.

00:30:41.843 --> 00:30:46.283
You're still in that like upward trajectory of, of learning and growth.

00:30:46.423 --> 00:30:47.563
Maybe you hit that plateau.

00:30:48.103 --> 00:30:50.943
I say it feels like a plateau, but you are definitely learning.

00:30:51.670 --> 00:30:53.750
Learning exactly what we're talking about right here where it's like you have

00:30:53.750 --> 00:30:56.870
to like start to modify things a little bit and remember just go back to where

00:30:56.870 --> 00:30:59.690
you were a couple months before and say all right well crap like now i'm having

00:30:59.690 --> 00:31:03.270
a hard time at x y and z let's figure this out well and.

00:31:03.490 --> 00:31:06.410
You start um you learn so much so fast

00:31:06.410 --> 00:31:09.350
because you knew nothing and now you know

00:31:09.350 --> 00:31:12.790
some things you know stuff and now

00:31:12.790 --> 00:31:15.770
there's just there's just less that you don't know i

00:31:15.770 --> 00:31:19.370
mean you still but like you start learning slower

00:31:19.370 --> 00:31:22.350
because there's just less the the

00:31:22.350 --> 00:31:25.290
pool is getting smaller right like it's still

00:31:25.290 --> 00:31:28.070
pretty big but you're not learning as fast because like

00:31:28.070 --> 00:31:31.690
oh well like you're just you know you're perfecting this or perfecting

00:31:31.690 --> 00:31:34.370
might be a little strong at that point but i know what you mean

00:31:34.370 --> 00:31:37.530
like you feel like you are you're practicing this thing you're

00:31:37.530 --> 00:31:40.410
practicing this thing like you have to also work on

00:31:40.410 --> 00:31:43.350
the things you just learned a bunch of like you learned you know

00:31:43.350 --> 00:31:46.050
learn 12 moves and now you're working on those

00:31:46.050 --> 00:31:48.950
12 moves but also trying to learn a new move

00:31:48.950 --> 00:31:53.010
but you're not gonna be able to learn 12 more moves because just

00:31:53.010 --> 00:31:56.230
learn 12 moves you also have to figure out how to be

00:31:56.230 --> 00:31:59.310
decent at least passable at

00:31:59.310 --> 00:32:02.170
those 12 moves to where you can use them and so

00:32:02.170 --> 00:32:04.950
yeah your knowledge trajectory your your like

00:32:04.950 --> 00:32:08.150
trajectory to attaining knowledge starts to

00:32:08.150 --> 00:32:11.130
slow you start to get a learn a little bit less at a time

00:32:11.130 --> 00:32:13.770
because now you actually know things so you

00:32:13.770 --> 00:32:17.950
can't you can't grab as much right um because

00:32:17.950 --> 00:32:20.830
then you're learning you're not really you don't really know

00:32:20.830 --> 00:32:23.790
12 things you're now learning 12 things but also.

00:32:23.790 --> 00:32:26.910
Trying to learn another four thing yeah so like

00:32:26.910 --> 00:32:29.630
you're really still learning 13 things but you think you

00:32:29.630 --> 00:32:34.690
know those things which is another thing don't think you know but um don't think

00:32:34.690 --> 00:32:39.010
you're a master at that yet because trust me is just getting started you still

00:32:39.010 --> 00:32:43.330
suck at those things in fact i still suck at some of those things i've been

00:32:43.330 --> 00:32:48.390
doing this for 15 years right like um and so you know like.

00:32:49.366 --> 00:32:51.466
Don't think you're not still learning. That's what you're saying.

00:32:51.486 --> 00:32:55.986
You're, you're still learning, just adding less things at a time.

00:32:56.466 --> 00:32:59.306
No, I think it's valid, dude. And it makes a lot of sense. And that,

00:32:59.306 --> 00:33:04.986
that's probably like the, the cause of the, the quote unquote plateau that this

00:33:04.986 --> 00:33:08.166
newer student might be feeling, which is that like you said, like,

00:33:08.586 --> 00:33:11.626
all right, like, because if they've, if they've learned the 12 things that they're

00:33:11.626 --> 00:33:13.386
definitely still learning for sure.

00:33:13.546 --> 00:33:16.126
But like, they, they have a grasp in some capacity on it.

00:33:16.506 --> 00:33:19.406
They're probably still trying to do them. so it's like like like

00:33:19.406 --> 00:33:22.846
you said like your mind can only at a certain point it's

00:33:22.846 --> 00:33:25.886
like you're growing the muscle of learning how to like learn in this environment

00:33:25.886 --> 00:33:29.466
and it doesn't it does not happen overnight um

00:33:29.466 --> 00:33:32.246
it takes a long time so you

00:33:32.246 --> 00:33:34.966
know another one like basically it's you know end of the day it's keep

00:33:34.966 --> 00:33:37.706
showing up like stuff well you don't have to think too much about

00:33:37.706 --> 00:33:41.606
thinking thinking is challenge but

00:33:41.606 --> 00:33:44.446
you know to the best of your ability you do do think about

00:33:44.446 --> 00:33:47.946
thinking but don't think about thinking too much because you're

00:33:47.946 --> 00:33:51.066
just you're gonna learn by showing up but but okay back to the my

00:33:51.066 --> 00:33:54.006
point here which is that those 12 moves

00:33:54.006 --> 00:33:56.766
that you think that you know that you're like i can do these things but like

00:33:56.766 --> 00:33:59.746
crap man like i can do sometimes not every single time like you're still gonna

00:33:59.746 --> 00:34:02.426
be grappling with that a little bit you're gonna be working on those things

00:34:02.426 --> 00:34:06.526
plus like you said new move of the day just got introduced to you hey new thing

00:34:06.526 --> 00:34:11.446
now it's in front of your face like oh cool can i do that too and uh maybe pick it up maybe you don't

00:34:11.566 --> 00:34:14.926
it up because you still have that other 12 things on your plate you're trying to eat those still.

00:34:16.066 --> 00:34:19.166
Um and that's just part of the journey that's part of the it's part of like

00:34:19.166 --> 00:34:23.766
the experience of like getting to that plateauing point and saying all right

00:34:23.766 --> 00:34:27.806
those first 12 things man i picked those up fast that was really awesome now

00:34:27.806 --> 00:34:30.306
it's it feels like the progress has slowed a little bit well,

00:34:30.886 --> 00:34:34.586
you hadn't quite digested the food on the plate it's still kind of passing through

00:34:34.586 --> 00:34:36.986
your system so yeah you're still figuring those things out now you're trying

00:34:36.986 --> 00:34:41.466
to jam in one two three four or five more things. Just embrace all that.

00:34:42.965 --> 00:34:46.585
Mean a good coach and good training partners will help you like realize

00:34:46.585 --> 00:34:49.685
these things there's really no way around it like you're gonna

00:34:49.685 --> 00:34:54.205
the the progress feels like it ebbs and flows just keep doing it man like you

00:34:54.205 --> 00:34:58.725
said if it's always fun for you and if you have like the more humble your attitude

00:34:58.725 --> 00:35:02.145
is it'll always be fun like every practice if you like this is a privilege i

00:35:02.145 --> 00:35:06.485
get to do this it's gonna be really awesome i'm practicing fighting i'm doing

00:35:06.485 --> 00:35:08.645
ninja shit with my buddies this rules.

00:35:09.585 --> 00:35:12.565
Like win lose draw dude like it's so fun it's

00:35:12.565 --> 00:35:16.205
so awesome like just keep doing it man you are getting better you

00:35:16.205 --> 00:35:19.045
know like after a long time like get your black belt

00:35:19.045 --> 00:35:22.125
all this stuff happens at black belt too man you're like all right nice and

00:35:22.125 --> 00:35:26.365
it's particularly if you compete competition button you just

00:35:26.365 --> 00:35:29.165
like you go and you do these things and you get like murked again you're like

00:35:29.165 --> 00:35:31.845
all right well i think there's like a saying where it's like you're a black belt

00:35:31.845 --> 00:35:34.585
you get white belt all over just true it sounds corny well

00:35:34.585 --> 00:35:37.525
yeah well they tell you the journey has just begun yeah it's true

00:35:37.525 --> 00:35:40.625
it's true it's kind of it's still it sounds silly but um you

00:35:40.625 --> 00:35:43.925
got a black belt around your waist but jiu-jitsu is full of

00:35:43.925 --> 00:35:47.165
cliches the more and more we talk about it's like cliches i guess they're there

00:35:47.165 --> 00:35:51.545
so good i know but they make sense too they're valid man it's like i get why

00:35:51.545 --> 00:35:56.525
they're a cliche i suppose um but yeah you just you you go back through everything

00:35:56.525 --> 00:36:01.725
again and kind of you realize like all right well it's sweet like i um you said

00:36:01.725 --> 00:36:02.445
something earlier that i,

00:36:03.265 --> 00:36:07.745
and my version of it or whatever so I started talking about this like I don't

00:36:07.745 --> 00:36:09.265
know like seven or eight years ago,

00:36:10.005 --> 00:36:13.145
and you could apply this to anyone you could use like Gordon Ryan but at the

00:36:13.145 --> 00:36:16.285
time I was like can't do whatever movie you think you're good at against like

00:36:16.285 --> 00:36:20.145
everyone how about this I'm like can you do this the movie in your head individual

00:36:20.145 --> 00:36:23.245
that I'm talking to including myself you do it to everyone in the academy.

00:36:24.610 --> 00:36:29.070
Answer's probably no let's say it's yes yeah i can do that it's just everyone

00:36:29.070 --> 00:36:33.590
here like cool can you do it against guy mendez it was guy in my weight class

00:36:33.590 --> 00:36:38.030
if i can't do it to can i do it to the best dude in the world no okay then i

00:36:38.030 --> 00:36:40.150
still have work to do on it right like it's like i i'm,

00:36:40.830 --> 00:36:43.990
i'm not done learning this i'm not done practicing exactly exactly

00:36:43.990 --> 00:36:47.070
that's the white belt mentality i suppose you know man like we're

00:36:47.070 --> 00:36:50.710
still working on stuff it's always going to

00:36:50.710 --> 00:36:53.450
be a process of learning even when you feel like you're getting good at it bad at

00:36:53.450 --> 00:36:56.830
it just show up man show up and train that

00:36:56.830 --> 00:37:01.670
has the value is there you don't always feel it you're doing i mean lifting

00:37:01.670 --> 00:37:06.030
is a good example too so you start lifting like you're you get gains quick yeah

00:37:06.030 --> 00:37:10.150
you get gains quick when you lift um your body adapts to like if you've never

00:37:10.150 --> 00:37:13.750
lifted before or like if you're young or whatever maybe you're sedentary and

00:37:13.750 --> 00:37:16.210
you start picking up like power lifting and like it's cool like you,

00:37:16.710 --> 00:37:19.810
bench 135 for the first time like nice all right then you do 155 like

00:37:19.810 --> 00:37:23.790
you'll you'll keep incrementally getting until you get to a point where you're like the gains

00:37:23.790 --> 00:37:26.610
become slower you're definitely getting stronger by continuing to

00:37:26.610 --> 00:37:30.130
work wherever you're at but it seemed

00:37:30.130 --> 00:37:32.930
to talk about shit way more than i could what i'm

00:37:32.930 --> 00:37:35.710
saying is still true but like we'll have a seem talk about this analogy sometimes

00:37:35.710 --> 00:37:40.350
um but then like you you you keep lifting you keep lifting like you're you're

00:37:40.350 --> 00:37:45.130
staying you're at least staying strong if not like every session you train makes

00:37:45.130 --> 00:37:48.110
you stronger in some capacity and that's maybe that's what i want to get across

00:37:48.110 --> 00:37:52.350
lifting jiu-jitsu out like you're getting stronger but whether you see it or not.

00:37:53.110 --> 00:37:57.370
You definitely are and I think once you get to that level the numbers may not

00:37:57.370 --> 00:38:01.730
go up as much I'm not tapping as many guys maybe I'm getting tapped out a little

00:38:01.730 --> 00:38:07.330
bit more than I want but I am getting stronger that's something just accept that just keep training.

00:38:08.451 --> 00:38:11.531
For sure um yeah i mean i definitely you

00:38:11.531 --> 00:38:14.571
you will run into that the entirety of your

00:38:14.571 --> 00:38:17.471
jiu-jitsu career too of like the second

00:38:17.471 --> 00:38:20.711
you think you're getting good at something you're gonna

00:38:20.711 --> 00:38:23.471
start to think you're not uh but yeah i

00:38:23.471 --> 00:38:26.771
remember everyone else just like you said everyone else is getting better your

00:38:26.771 --> 00:38:32.491
training partners are just figuring out what you do so they also just kind of

00:38:32.491 --> 00:38:36.751
know what you what your plan is like what you're going to do they know what

00:38:36.751 --> 00:38:42.891
you're good at you've hit them with that armbar 18 times in the past month, they know it's coming.

00:38:43.931 --> 00:38:48.571
You might start getting it once every 18 months on that person instead of 18 times in a month.

00:38:48.691 --> 00:38:53.311
Because they just know it's coming now, right? Shout out to competition.

00:38:53.431 --> 00:38:54.331
I'm hitting the competition button again.

00:38:54.951 --> 00:38:57.631
Go to the competition. Try to do it against someone else. Yeah.

00:38:57.851 --> 00:38:59.771
So like, you know, you could probably do it in the competition better.

00:39:00.011 --> 00:39:02.951
You'll probably hit it. You'll probably hit it. Yeah. That one time you're hitting

00:39:02.951 --> 00:39:05.511
against the guy, you hit it over and over and over and over again.

00:39:05.511 --> 00:39:08.831
It's going to be way harder probably than the guy in the tournament. Yeah, for sure.

00:39:09.231 --> 00:39:12.491
Because they just start defending it eight moves before you get to it.

00:39:12.491 --> 00:39:15.131
They knew you were going for it. They can't stop you from getting to it,

00:39:15.191 --> 00:39:18.991
but they're focusing the whole time you're moving on them. They're focusing

00:39:18.991 --> 00:39:20.751
on blocking that one thing. Yep.

00:39:21.971 --> 00:39:25.971
So, you know, you're getting better and you just don't know it.

00:39:26.191 --> 00:39:29.431
But yeah, you're right. You're getting better and you don't know it at a certain point.

00:39:30.691 --> 00:39:34.531
I had another one. Yeah.

00:39:35.998 --> 00:39:49.098
So a story that, so do you, did you have like where the new guys got Matt and Forrest?

00:39:49.358 --> 00:39:51.398
Like that was like a thing that used to happen.

00:39:51.778 --> 00:39:56.658
Oh yeah. There's like the two different types of new guy, right?

00:39:56.758 --> 00:39:59.278
Like there's a new guy that you're like, this guy's fine.

00:39:59.418 --> 00:40:02.458
We'll be nice to him. But then there's like the new guy, like maybe.

00:40:02.878 --> 00:40:05.818
He's getting a little after too much. they're like that guy's got his little

00:40:05.818 --> 00:40:08.658
too uh meatheady too yeah big he's a

00:40:08.658 --> 00:40:11.498
little too big for his britches he's coming in here being a little too rough

00:40:11.498 --> 00:40:14.798
with everybody because for the most part everyone's probably

00:40:14.798 --> 00:40:17.498
not really trying with the brand like the guy

00:40:17.498 --> 00:40:20.538
they think is brand new right and then that

00:40:20.538 --> 00:40:23.238
guy comes out a little hot maybe they aren't brand new i don't know

00:40:23.238 --> 00:40:25.958
but like the guy who none of you've ever

00:40:25.958 --> 00:40:29.738
seen before he said it's his first day um and

00:40:29.738 --> 00:40:32.478
like so everyone's taking it easy on you they're trying to

00:40:32.478 --> 00:40:35.438
teach you jiu-jitsu they're trying to be a they're trying to get you to sign up

00:40:35.438 --> 00:40:40.398
so they have more training partners um and that guy gets mattenforced you get

00:40:40.398 --> 00:40:45.938
mattenforced because you're going really hard uh so don't be that guy don't

00:40:45.938 --> 00:40:52.718
remember you don't have to prove anything to anybody because most of these guys could probably,

00:40:53.418 --> 00:40:58.098
beat you up if they wanted to right and if you start doing too much they're

00:40:58.098 --> 00:41:00.798
gonna beat you up The Madden Forster thing is hilarious.

00:41:01.838 --> 00:41:06.598
It's probably good that it exists. Because, yeah, I have seen this lots of times,

00:41:06.678 --> 00:41:09.618
man. Countless times. And I always try to, like.

00:41:10.945 --> 00:41:16.845
I have Matt Enforced. I have Matt Enforcers. Many of them. Thankfully.

00:41:17.885 --> 00:41:20.825
Because I don't like that. I don't want to do it anymore. Yeah.

00:41:20.965 --> 00:41:23.205
I'm retired. Well, in like. But like.

00:41:23.805 --> 00:41:28.025
The coach should not be the one doing it either. That's right. That's not.

00:41:28.625 --> 00:41:31.985
That's a different. That sends a whole different mess. That's right. That's right.

00:41:32.405 --> 00:41:37.465
Now, I've. But my attitude towards it is I try to like explain to the new person.

00:41:37.465 --> 00:41:41.825
I try to talk to a person who may need to be mad out of being mad enforceable.

00:41:42.505 --> 00:41:46.525
You can tell they're going to look like, you just temper them. Slow it down.

00:41:50.045 --> 00:41:53.985
Let's take a look at 4C for a second here.

00:41:54.385 --> 00:42:00.165
I think sometimes, okay, let's describe this person. It's generally a big muscular guy.

00:42:01.285 --> 00:42:05.645
Biggish, muscularish, athleticish guy who comes into a fighting gym.

00:42:05.765 --> 00:42:07.205
They're new. Don't know what they're doing.

00:42:08.465 --> 00:42:13.765
You can't fully understand their psychology. You can try to discern what you think is happening.

00:42:13.925 --> 00:42:18.145
Sometimes it's just these guys come in and I think they're like understandably

00:42:18.145 --> 00:42:20.505
a little nervous and they think they're like, oh crap, I got to fight for my life.

00:42:21.845 --> 00:42:26.665
Yes, yes, but no. They think everyone's, they think 100% is the right way to

00:42:26.665 --> 00:42:27.805
go. That's right, that's right.

00:42:28.025 --> 00:42:31.245
And I think that's why like initially, I think you can talk a lot of people out of that.

00:42:31.365 --> 00:42:34.025
You can be like, hey man, style it back. You're not going to learn like this.

00:42:34.085 --> 00:42:37.665
You can slow some folks down Just by explaining to them, like,

00:42:37.745 --> 00:42:38.665
this isn't helpful for you.

00:42:38.965 --> 00:42:42.505
Hey, dude, we don't have to go 100% right now. That's not the point.

00:42:42.585 --> 00:42:43.405
We don't need to. We don't need to.

00:42:44.985 --> 00:42:47.165
And then sometimes those guys just got to be enforced. You just got to break

00:42:47.165 --> 00:42:48.705
the stallion in, as I say.

00:42:48.885 --> 00:42:50.365
Like, you got to, like, sometimes you get, like, just some, like,

00:42:51.545 --> 00:42:54.105
strapping lad who doesn't know anything else, and you just got to deploy them.

00:42:56.236 --> 00:42:59.836
They will if they get enforced. They get enforced successfully.

00:43:00.416 --> 00:43:04.196
The best is when you get the archetype we're describing gets bigger and stronger

00:43:04.196 --> 00:43:06.116
and stronger. Stronger, then you're like, all right, who's going to do it?

00:43:06.296 --> 00:43:09.636
Who's the guy? Who's the guy who's going to enforce this? I can't send Timmy

00:43:09.636 --> 00:43:12.356
out there anymore. He's too small. Legit.

00:43:14.156 --> 00:43:19.276
I will say, occasionally, a couple times a year, under the right circumstances,

00:43:19.276 --> 00:43:21.816
if I have to do something like this, sometimes I remind myself,

00:43:21.936 --> 00:43:23.496
this is why you started Jiu-Jitsu originally.

00:43:24.156 --> 00:43:26.896
You take down this big strapping line And then you go and you do it,

00:43:26.936 --> 00:43:30.176
but you do it in, like, a productive, healthy way. We say mat and force.

00:43:30.276 --> 00:43:31.396
It's really easy to go and you become tapped.

00:43:31.916 --> 00:43:35.356
Oh, yeah. That's all it really is. It's nothing crazy. You're not hurting them.

00:43:35.696 --> 00:43:38.116
You just got to get them to, like, chill. You got to break the stallion down.

00:43:38.176 --> 00:43:40.656
You got to break him in because the stallion's bucking and moving crazy.

00:43:40.696 --> 00:43:42.676
Like, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, stallion.

00:43:43.216 --> 00:43:48.656
Hey, man. You're going to get mounted. The person needs to be able to do it with, like, ease.

00:43:49.976 --> 00:43:53.376
Right? Like, it needs to seem effortless. Right?

00:43:53.376 --> 00:43:56.196
The person's giving them their all and like honestly it

00:43:56.196 --> 00:43:58.936
could just be that like they just they're just

00:43:58.936 --> 00:44:04.496
chilling they're just tiring that dude out and then when he's tired one little

00:44:04.496 --> 00:44:08.136
move and you tap him out right like and nine out of ten times it's this person

00:44:08.136 --> 00:44:10.516
doesn't know any better yeah that's that's why i'm saying like you can kind

00:44:10.516 --> 00:44:13.696
of like you're gonna educate them and say hey man like you talk about it like

00:44:13.696 --> 00:44:17.816
having to be enforced but sometimes the one out of ten times nope there's got to be metaphor.

00:44:19.299 --> 00:44:22.059
Yourself out there bud and sometimes those dudes like

00:44:22.059 --> 00:44:24.759
they don't like it and they quit and some and but most of the

00:44:24.759 --> 00:44:27.539
time they're like they they learn they're like cool man got it

00:44:27.539 --> 00:44:30.819
i didn't know any better i was just a little nervous myself like because a

00:44:30.819 --> 00:44:33.599
lot of those dudes are like they're still dudes they're still regular people like they're

00:44:33.599 --> 00:44:36.559
they're a little nervous who they think that they have to like like oh we're sparring like

00:44:36.559 --> 00:44:39.319
i think the point of sparring is to beat the other guy right and like

00:44:39.319 --> 00:44:42.379
you go they don't know so you think you that's why

00:44:42.379 --> 00:44:45.919
i think education goes a long way but then some people they got to learn through

00:44:45.919 --> 00:44:49.099
the process so those guys get tapped and most of the time they stick around

00:44:49.099 --> 00:44:51.619
and they're like they become great training partners now you got like huge meathead

00:44:51.619 --> 00:44:55.579
awesome athlete who who can be a good training partner you want you know that

00:44:55.579 --> 00:44:58.679
the madden for this and this is sort of sort of a tangent it's not that like

00:44:58.679 --> 00:45:03.419
far off but you know the mat i like this tangent you know the matden force that it worked.

00:45:04.554 --> 00:45:07.414
The person asks you at the end how'd you

00:45:07.414 --> 00:45:10.534
do that yep like can you show me can

00:45:10.534 --> 00:45:13.754
you show me what you did there yep then you're like bang we

00:45:13.754 --> 00:45:17.574
gotta we gotta try now gotta try gotta right we have broken in the stallion

00:45:17.574 --> 00:45:22.634
i would love to bro that you're like absolutely i will show you exactly the

00:45:22.634 --> 00:45:26.334
move that i did to you i'm not gonna show you how to get out of it though i

00:45:26.334 --> 00:45:29.914
need i need to keep i might have to keep breaking your head yeah i might still

00:45:29.914 --> 00:45:33.614
need that move because now i know it works on you but I will show you what I did.

00:45:34.434 --> 00:45:38.394
That's how you know it worked. And like, honestly, that, that means you just,

00:45:38.454 --> 00:45:41.774
you just set the white belt mentality on that person too.

00:45:42.094 --> 00:45:45.814
You just showed them that like, jujitsu works.

00:45:46.454 --> 00:45:49.774
And this is why you need to start coming to class. And this is what you should

00:45:49.774 --> 00:45:52.574
be doing. And chill a little bit. You should be learning, right?

00:45:52.714 --> 00:45:54.374
Chill a little bit. And chill, you should chill out.

00:45:54.614 --> 00:45:59.034
Come to class, learn some jujitsu because then you'll be able to do this to

00:45:59.034 --> 00:46:03.534
the next guy who comes in and is crazy. if you're all rigid and maniacal,

00:46:03.954 --> 00:46:05.174
you're not going to learn it.

00:46:05.254 --> 00:46:10.094
You'll be able to, with ease, like a hot knife through butter,

00:46:10.254 --> 00:46:13.954
just wear them down and hit them with that sweet, sweet armbar.

00:46:14.614 --> 00:46:18.894
But, you know, that's the way it should go. That's the way you want it to be.

00:46:18.974 --> 00:46:20.814
And just try to tie it back.

00:46:21.914 --> 00:46:25.174
That's how you should react at the end of it.

00:46:25.454 --> 00:46:29.834
If you get Matt and Forrest or you're rolling with someone, don't get pissed

00:46:29.834 --> 00:46:35.314
off when the dude who's been doing jiu-jitsu for 15 years submits you easily.

00:46:36.314 --> 00:46:39.894
Yeah, obviously they did. They've been doing this for 15 years.

00:46:40.054 --> 00:46:43.654
This is your first day. That goes back to the setting the expectations thing.

00:46:44.014 --> 00:46:47.114
And this is something that I think it's relevant, but I try to tell this to

00:46:47.114 --> 00:46:51.214
even experienced guys when it comes to like, I don't know if this is going to

00:46:51.214 --> 00:46:53.774
be a topic later today, but we talked about learning how to drill,

00:46:54.174 --> 00:46:55.034
getting the most out of drilling.

00:46:55.534 --> 00:46:58.274
So I'll kind of touch upon it now, which is like, I'll even tell experienced

00:46:58.274 --> 00:47:02.094
people like, hey, when we do these drills, slow it down because there's going

00:47:02.094 --> 00:47:06.674
to be a pace and like a level of rigor that we all have where like we'll work

00:47:06.674 --> 00:47:08.394
faster than our minds will allow us.

00:47:10.270 --> 00:47:13.190
So maybe this is like learning how to learn kind of thing I was touching upon

00:47:13.190 --> 00:47:17.670
earlier with the white belts, which is like, hey, like we all have like a tempo that makes sense for us.

00:47:19.470 --> 00:47:24.290
And most of the time, if you want to get the most out of what you're practicing,

00:47:24.490 --> 00:47:25.410
like you can slow the tempo down.

00:47:25.550 --> 00:47:29.350
You can still have a tempo that feels like work and you should.

00:47:29.350 --> 00:47:33.870
And you'll be surprised how difficult work will be if you're like not going

00:47:33.870 --> 00:47:37.070
100%. If you're going like 40%, but you do for a little bit of time,

00:47:37.210 --> 00:47:40.050
like it's like doing cardio. It's like sprint.

00:47:40.570 --> 00:47:46.270
Or you could run a little bit like longer get more mileage perhaps at less rpms

00:47:46.270 --> 00:47:50.030
so the point there is like hey like learn how to slow down your drilling um

00:47:50.030 --> 00:47:51.650
don't go to a complete halt,

00:47:52.110 --> 00:47:56.090
slow it down so you can actually like pay attention to what's taking place and

00:47:56.090 --> 00:47:58.790
then like whatever that tempo is for you because individual it's an individual

00:47:58.790 --> 00:48:02.250
thing we all like have whatever that pace is or that tempo is for ourselves

00:48:02.250 --> 00:48:07.170
but you get to that that that right frequency and this is like also just kind

00:48:07.170 --> 00:48:10.350
of like it's a bit of a coach's job to kind of like accept the expectation with

00:48:10.350 --> 00:48:12.050
the room and the athletes in the room like yo.

00:48:13.151 --> 00:48:17.051
Doing a little bit of drilling one of the drilling is some skill acquisition that's

00:48:17.051 --> 00:48:20.331
sparring not yet because sparring can tends to lend itself more towards like

00:48:20.331 --> 00:48:23.191
getting closer to like fight pace right like yeah

00:48:23.191 --> 00:48:27.431
just just just use generalities right um even

00:48:27.431 --> 00:48:32.031
that fight pace in a training room needs to be tempo moderated as well but nonetheless

00:48:32.031 --> 00:48:35.151
like hey we're like you set the expectation guys like we're doing stuff where

00:48:35.151 --> 00:48:37.931
we should all be picking up some skills which then means like if you're going

00:48:37.931 --> 00:48:42.311
100 you start to go to close to 100 you start to limit yourself to like what

00:48:42.311 --> 00:48:46.171
you were for doing the shit that you can already do when you go 100%.

00:48:46.671 --> 00:48:50.311
So if you want to pick up new skills or like refine existing skills, like you slow it down.

00:48:50.371 --> 00:48:54.851
So you like allow yourself to like see when a grip is breaking or when the other

00:48:54.851 --> 00:48:57.531
dude gets the right grips against you.

00:48:57.671 --> 00:49:00.231
And then like if you're moving too fast, like you might spaz to get out of it.

00:49:00.291 --> 00:49:03.731
And like you might not actually observe how or why that person did something

00:49:03.731 --> 00:49:06.911
successfully against you or you doing something successful against them.

00:49:07.911 --> 00:49:11.911
So sidebar comment related to the spazes a little bit. It's like teaching people

00:49:11.911 --> 00:49:13.691
how to like, modulate themselves.

00:49:14.431 --> 00:49:16.971
And if you're listening to this, like kind of learn like, because you'll,

00:49:17.031 --> 00:49:20.231
you'll learn it whether or not you know it, but the faster you learn and the

00:49:20.231 --> 00:49:22.551
more aware of it you are as you start out, like the more you can kind of get

00:49:22.551 --> 00:49:24.771
the most value out of every minute you're on the map.

00:49:25.331 --> 00:49:29.351
Well, and listen, you know, part of that too is like.

00:49:30.499 --> 00:49:33.219
Parameters are being set for whatever you're doing for a

00:49:33.219 --> 00:49:36.399
reason right we're trying there's a certain response or

00:49:36.399 --> 00:49:39.939
a certain set of actions that is

00:49:39.939 --> 00:49:43.379
trying to be provided for you yeah we

00:49:43.379 --> 00:49:49.099
are that is you're trying your coach is trying to guide you to a specific thing

00:49:49.099 --> 00:49:55.359
right like whether that's hey i want you to do this move in this situation or

00:49:55.359 --> 00:50:01.119
like hey our goal today is to get where it is to get chest to chest, just worry about that.

00:50:01.519 --> 00:50:05.479
I don't want you doing, that doesn't mean, Hey, we're going to start here. We're going to spar.

00:50:06.239 --> 00:50:07.839
That's not what this is, right? Like.

00:50:09.859 --> 00:50:14.119
Don't worry about, don't worry about that. Your job isn't to go out there and

00:50:14.119 --> 00:50:16.459
win on the mat. Your job is to get better.

00:50:17.079 --> 00:50:21.759
So unless you're whatever competition, pivot, boom, bang, pushed.

00:50:21.939 --> 00:50:24.819
But you know, like your, your job is to get better right now.

00:50:25.079 --> 00:50:27.999
So like if your coach is giving you like hey

00:50:27.999 --> 00:50:31.199
here's the scenario if you

00:50:31.199 --> 00:50:34.459
get outside of that start over please don't keep

00:50:34.459 --> 00:50:37.159
rolling that's not what we're doing right now that's for

00:50:37.159 --> 00:50:39.939
later right so um and like

00:50:39.939 --> 00:50:43.439
that that honestly like that is something that you see you see

00:50:43.439 --> 00:50:46.199
if you see it all the time you

00:50:46.199 --> 00:50:49.319
see all the time sometimes you need to put the the more

00:50:49.319 --> 00:50:52.659
experienced person with the newer people so you can be like hey like this

00:50:52.659 --> 00:50:56.419
is how we're doing this can you moderate this please moderate your partner so

00:50:56.419 --> 00:51:00.359
that they do what they're supposed to be doing because you want to get better

00:51:00.359 --> 00:51:04.659
too right make sure like i can only keep an eye on one pair at a time like i

00:51:04.659 --> 00:51:10.999
can talk to one of you at a time like you guys have to self-regulate at some point um and then um,

00:51:11.585 --> 00:51:15.065
Actually, off of that, one thing I'd recommend is, you know.

00:51:15.825 --> 00:51:17.265
Put yourself up for adoption, right?

00:51:17.385 --> 00:51:20.985
Like, be the way, like, find a mentor in the gym.

00:51:21.145 --> 00:51:24.805
Find someone who's going to be, like, your guy that, or girl,

00:51:25.045 --> 00:51:28.545
that's going to, like, help you out.

00:51:28.705 --> 00:51:33.705
Like, find that upper belt that maybe. Adoption is awesome, dude. Yeah, that's great.

00:51:33.965 --> 00:51:37.885
Like, maybe you like their game or, like, whatever, but, like,

00:51:38.065 --> 00:51:41.145
it makes a big difference when you have.

00:51:41.725 --> 00:51:47.605
Someone that you can talk to because it can be intimidating to talk to the black

00:51:47.605 --> 00:51:52.605
belt or your your their actual like professor at the school that your coach

00:51:52.605 --> 00:51:56.405
whatever like it can be intimidating to like ask certain questions right sometimes

00:51:56.405 --> 00:51:57.485
you'd be like hey man like,

00:51:58.145 --> 00:52:01.285
rather than you don't maybe you don't want to ask your coach because you're

00:52:01.285 --> 00:52:08.485
worried that it might seem like you're you're you know seeking a belt or whatever

00:52:08.485 --> 00:52:11.605
but like you want to know how to get better, but you're, you're nervous.

00:52:12.105 --> 00:52:14.625
It's good to have that person that you can talk to be like, Hey man,

00:52:14.745 --> 00:52:16.665
like, what could I be doing better?

00:52:17.705 --> 00:52:23.305
Um, I had so many of those people in gyms love doing that too.

00:52:23.465 --> 00:52:24.745
So I think this is a great pull out.

00:52:25.345 --> 00:52:28.385
Um, teammates love that shit. They love that, man.

00:52:28.585 --> 00:52:33.385
Uh, I've, you know, I've done it. Uh, so now I'm a coach, but, um,

00:52:34.205 --> 00:52:37.105
yeah, man, I mean, I had so many guys when I first started who were like,

00:52:37.105 --> 00:52:40.605
it was usually a purple belt right um but

00:52:40.605 --> 00:52:43.325
like dudes who are far ahead of you who can help you

00:52:43.325 --> 00:52:45.925
out a ton of kind of taking you people that's a

00:52:45.925 --> 00:52:48.825
cool thing about being in this environment you'll you will find someone

00:52:48.825 --> 00:52:51.685
if you're like open and you

00:52:51.685 --> 00:52:55.965
kind of just like if you seek out some guidance which you know do that why wouldn't

00:52:55.965 --> 00:52:58.905
you you're already here you want to you want to learn like that part's easy

00:52:58.905 --> 00:53:02.465
you open to like talking to people who are better than you and like the people

00:53:02.465 --> 00:53:06.345
better than you like will be excited to help they will they will do it man i

00:53:06.345 --> 00:53:09.105
have people right now who tell me I have purple blue,

00:53:09.205 --> 00:53:11.145
purple, purple, brown belts. Um.

00:53:12.423 --> 00:53:15.423
Tell me about the people they've taken in that like i've adopted the following people like cool

00:53:15.423 --> 00:53:18.143
i love that it's phenomenal man the last thing

00:53:18.143 --> 00:53:21.343
i do want to respond to one thing you said that i think is really useful too

00:53:21.343 --> 00:53:23.983
um not just for white belts for anyone but if you

00:53:23.983 --> 00:53:25.863
get them with their white belts and they can start doing one of the white belts

00:53:25.863 --> 00:53:27.003
all the better just listen

00:53:27.003 --> 00:53:30.763
to your coach i say fully listen for the purpose of what you said earlier so

00:53:30.763 --> 00:53:34.023
like if there's a class structure that's been provided for you or a drill or

00:53:34.023 --> 00:53:38.783
a scale or something please listen to them and do it um the amount of times

00:53:38.783 --> 00:53:42.963
i have dudes come in and i'll be like all right here's the thing here's the

00:53:42.963 --> 00:53:45.883
drill or whatever and then people kind of go off and do whatever they want um,

00:53:46.838 --> 00:53:49.838
to be like not so rigid with sometimes i also remind myself some of these guys

00:53:49.838 --> 00:53:52.498
are just getting off work i just want to like just it's not a big i don't have

00:53:52.498 --> 00:53:56.018
to be like too totally strict about it but yeah like we've put some thought

00:53:56.018 --> 00:53:58.438
there's a reason for why ring ass do the following things.

00:54:00.158 --> 00:54:02.818
Moreover if you're coming in here and you're like all right that's really cool and

00:54:02.818 --> 00:54:05.538
all but i want to do whatever i want like you might be taking away the experience from

00:54:05.538 --> 00:54:08.918
the other person who might not have that same frame maybe they're there

00:54:08.918 --> 00:54:11.698
to actually listen and you're like well i want to go do what i want

00:54:11.698 --> 00:54:14.478
to do find your own training room go go to open map

00:54:14.478 --> 00:54:17.098
bro that's what it's for go to open mat there you go there you

00:54:17.098 --> 00:54:20.078
go it's perfectly fine but there's a time and place yeah that's right that's right

00:54:20.078 --> 00:54:23.558
um i think the last kind of

00:54:23.558 --> 00:54:26.258
just time wise the last thing i'd probably put out

00:54:26.258 --> 00:54:29.138
there is um this will lead well into next

00:54:29.138 --> 00:54:33.138
week's episode um don't don't

00:54:33.138 --> 00:54:36.938
put the belt on a pedestal like it's

00:54:36.938 --> 00:54:41.218
cool and all to get ranked up but don't especially when you're first starting

00:54:41.218 --> 00:54:44.958
right don't worry about that it goes back to what we're talking about with like

00:54:44.958 --> 00:54:51.778
setting those goals don't worry about getting to blue belt to purple belt to

00:54:51.778 --> 00:54:53.978
brown belt the black belt it'll happen,

00:54:54.598 --> 00:54:59.138
have fun enjoy being a white belt because once you're not a white belt you're

00:54:59.138 --> 00:55:03.158
not a white belt at jiu-jitsu at least again you got to find something else

00:55:03.158 --> 00:55:05.838
you have to chase you're gonna be chasing that dragon man that's right you're

00:55:05.838 --> 00:55:08.938
gonna be trying you're gonna be like scott and I try to do white belts and everything. Yeah, yeah.

00:55:10.438 --> 00:55:18.478
But so, you know, just enjoy that part of it because, one, lose the excuse of

00:55:18.478 --> 00:55:19.798
just, I'm just a white belt.

00:55:21.065 --> 00:55:24.445
Expectations now. Well, at least they're different expectations.

00:55:25.185 --> 00:55:28.405
Um, so, you know, like don't be in a hurry.

00:55:28.745 --> 00:55:31.865
I mean, it's the same thing you would tell those teenage, you know,

00:55:32.085 --> 00:55:34.265
those kids in high school. Don't be in a hurry to get out of high school.

00:55:34.385 --> 00:55:35.605
Don't be in a hurry to get out of college.

00:55:36.185 --> 00:55:37.845
Enjoy the experience, right?

00:55:38.545 --> 00:55:43.165
You don't get to do this again. You don't get to be brand new at jujitsu again.

00:55:43.985 --> 00:55:49.705
So enjoy it, embrace it, learn jujitsu, have fun learning jujitsu.

00:55:50.425 --> 00:55:56.365
Everything else will come when it's time for it to happen so um I like it you

00:55:56.365 --> 00:56:00.205
know that's what I would have to say embrace the white belt it won't last forever

00:56:00.205 --> 00:56:04.065
the white belt it won't last forever won't last forever uh I think,

00:56:04.690 --> 00:56:08.530
And that was Fighters Drinking Coffee.

00:56:08.930 --> 00:56:12.250
Embrace the podcast. It won't last forever. And embrace the podcast. It will last forever.

00:56:12.430 --> 00:56:16.430
Well, the podcast itself will, but this episode will count. This episode definitely

00:56:16.430 --> 00:56:19.550
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00:56:21.690 --> 00:56:25.230
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