(Ep 35) Movember Super Fights: Takedowns & Raising Awareness for Men's Health

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Welcome back to Fighters Drinking Coffee, guys. We're here with BJ and Alex from...

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Capital MMA and also the hosts of the Movember Super Fights.

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Guys, welcome on the show. Thanks for having us.

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Pleasure to be here. Absolutely. Let's talk. Yeah. So, you know, just start off.

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Let's tell the listeners a little bit about yourselves and then we'll go from

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there. Awesome. We'll go ahead. Yeah.

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Your name's Alex. I'm Alex. Yeah, just start here. I forgot.

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I'm so nervous. Yeah. I'm Alex.

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I am a hobbyist. Purple belt. Uh, so please don't, uh, try and challenge me to anything.

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Uh, but I don't really have any roles at Capitol.

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Uh, just, uh, mainly co-host the, uh, Movember Superfights with BJ.

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Yeah. You're a good UK though. Yeah. Yeah. I'm actually famed for my training

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partnership. Yeah. He likes to get thrown around and he's good.

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He's easy to throw. I'm very lightweight.

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Uh, I go limp when I'm supposed to go. He does. I make everyone look better.

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So that's really my role at the gym. And you excel at that now.

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So I think that's really important. What can I say? Yeah. I mean,

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my name is BJ Ketchum. I'm the head strength and conditioning coach at Capital MMA in Lorton.

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My role there is I coach competition class. I compete. I wouldn't call myself

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like this big competitor, though.

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Done a local tournament. I competed at Masters Worlds a few times.

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Yeah, so that's kind of like my gimmick. Love jiu-jitsu, love training.

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I've been in it for jiu-jitsu.

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I started like 2002, took 13 years off.

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And um i competed in track and field

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in college and then i started i went back into

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that world and did the highland games for 13 years

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that's strongman stuff yeah so like it's

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it's the it's where basically like if you're a track and field like a thrower

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that's where they kind of end up going and kind of ending their lives as competitive

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athletes or power lifters weight lifters uh and strongmen so basically throwing

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trees and rock that's right yeah it's super fun i've been to I've competed in.

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Got on 40 different states and countries damn

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um had great experiences and loved

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it yeah they had a a couple of years ago i went to

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this um dude it was like the

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the scottish yep you know i'm talking about that's right

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that's the scottish like cultural fest where they advertised they

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had all like yeah highland games i was like i was like i'm going with that

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yeah like 30 minutes from here yep out in uh the plains i

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think so yeah so like that's the big local one around here

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um there's probably within like a four hour drive there's

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about 14 of them no shit uh so yeah it's

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a blast man so you spend all day competing out there getting heckled

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by drunk people which is always fun and uh

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you know just your fellowship you know throwing trees

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and rocks got some scottish blood in you i do i do uh clark

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and um ramsey those are my that's

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my lineage yep and i've competed in scotland

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before too sweet so that was a lot of fun the caber in that competition was

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200 pounds that's tree telephone pool so you have to flip that over and uh it

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lands for accurate flies through the air for accuracy that's what they that's

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what they grade it on or whatever yeah so like if you envision staying on a

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clock and when you throw it.

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Think like you're throwing it over your head like a medicine ball throw like an

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overhead throw but it actually projects it forward because you're running

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with it i see and then as it's traveling out of

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your hands you want it to rotate do a full flip and if

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you think like you're standing on a clock you want it to land basically your

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travel at noon and that's a perfect throw and then the score decreases as you

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go to the right of the left of the clock it's a lot of fun that stuff is awesome

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oh dude it's cool yeah there's there's nothing like picking up a tree and then

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trying to throw it i'll get through the yeah it's amazing i love it yeah,

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That was a much better introduction than mine. Yeah, I mean. Do you want to try again?

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If he wants to show me up, that's fine. Do you want me to introduce you?

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Sure, go for it. Go for it.

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This is Alex, greatest UK in the world.

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He's from Kansas City. He knows his barbecue. Like that. And he's always incognito.

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Well, I trained under Sensei Steven Seagal for a bit. Yeah, a lot of people

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don't know that, though. Yeah, I know.

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But did you want to put that out there it's out there now yeah i mean he's big

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in between like dan herr and seagal that's kind of like his two paths you have like a death touch,

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legally no legally i do not have a death touch but you know if if he told you

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to have to kill you have you seen roadhouse before oh dude i've seen every version

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of roadhouse several times i mean the first one though right yeah i mean the

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second one was it was cute i liked it i thought No, I mean, Connor stole the show.

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Jake Gyllenhaal, I thought, was a weird person to put in there.

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But, like, maybe that's what they were going for. Like, the nice guy.

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He plays a good nice guy. He does.

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Yeah. Wasn't Ronda Rousey supposed to be in it? He also probably decided he

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could get ripped. They're like, dude, who can look like maybe they fought?

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Right. And he's the guy. Yeah. Yeah. He was Jack Sell.

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Connor was awesome, I thought. I thought Connor was entertaining.

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He did a great job being a scumbag. Being himself. Yeah. I mean,

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let's be honest. He gave him some cocaine and told him to go crazy. Dude, yeah.

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Let the guy go. You would do it in this situation, Connor.

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Well, this is what I would do. I'd find an old man. I'd punch him in the face. Yeah.

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And then I'd get into a fight on a bus. That's what I would do.

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It's kind of the thing. So when did you start training, Alex?

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That's a hard question. He's hurt a lot. Well, it's because he's such a good uki.

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There's that. But I kind of started and stopped jujitsu a number of times.

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I would get frustrated with getting beat up a lot and stop. Then I'd come back.

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2019, I was like, I'm going to dedicate myself to this. I'm not gonna quit and

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then COVID happened so I guess 2019 with some gaps for COVID because the gym

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shut down and stuff how long was the gym shut down?

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Well, we started getting outside on the mat. So we started dragging the mats

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out into the parking lot.

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I like that. Yeah, it was great. And it was so hot. There was no coverage.

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And it was like, you know, the summertime.

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It was black mats. Oh, it was brutal. Throwing dummies around.

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Yeah, I was at the Alexandria location.

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And they had, the gym was closed for a few months. And then they opened it back

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up. But the classes, everyone had their own dummy.

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And there were like these weird

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dividing walls on the mat. And so you just worked on a dummy for a bit.

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That's wild. Everyone was trying to make it work. It was a waste of capacity.

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I like that you guys took mats outside. Yeah, it was great. We're not going to stop training.

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Yeah. We're going to find a way. Yeah, we didn't train for, it was a couple

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months, and then it was like, hey, we got to figure something out. Yeah.

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Because everybody was just struggling. Show must go on. Yeah,

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and the thing was, like, that's, the majority of us, that's our escape, right?

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Like, you're fortunate enough, this is your thing now, right? And-

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and you can do that where there's other people after they're trying to

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escape you know their their lives in some capacity right

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like it's way over talked about and overplayed how

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jujitsu saves lives but but like it does for

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a lot of people and uh you take that

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thing away in a matter of like a pandemic or a crisis whether

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it's a pandemic or like this small crisis a personal crisis but

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you can't you can't lose that like you need to

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have your outlet it's like an identity anything for most

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of us yeah it's part of who we are so for them

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to try to rip that away from us ain't happening yeah yeah

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you have to figure out a way to make it work like everything that's right for

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sure you put up a curtain yeah we put up a curtain at district martial arts

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and uh yeah just did some stuff fully compliantly yeah yeah yep behind the curtain

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and then you had some people it's like the wizard of eyes 100 percent behind

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the curtain don't look behind the curtain I think the,

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I imagine the statute of limitations on that has probably passed.

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I don't know. I don't know. I'm not sure.

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You know, whatever. They didn't outline that. I'll just get some lawyers involved

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if we have to. I'm like, look, dude, come at me. Like, we're going to,

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you know, I know my rights.

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I'll just, if I can't do, okay, so I'll do jiu-jitsu in jail then.

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Well, Virginia didn't really have many rules, right?

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Virginia wasn't as bad. Yeah, yeah. It wasn't as bad. There were guidelines.

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Yeah. And by the way, I don't know. Again, I'm no lawyer.

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But it's not like these things were laws. They were just like issuing,

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like, what do you call them?

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Like mandates or like whatever to like adhere to some guidelines,

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which, you know, okay, let's do it. We're, it's, we're all part of the team. Yeah.

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It's unknown. We have this unprecedented thing going on here. But like you said, like,

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And there, yeah, there were, there were some laws and guidelines definitely

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put in place. I was a principal.

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It was my first year as a principal. Oh man. In a middle school. Oh, okay.

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During COVID. Oh shit. So I, I go into that job and I'm like, this is great.

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Right. Like I'm going to change lives. And, and then, you know.

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November comes around and you start hearing things percolate.

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And then the school I was at on our board, we had a couple of people who had

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like direct lines with like Fauci in them. So like we were able to start getting

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information before, like everybody else was starting to, right?

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So like January comes around and it's like, hey, something's coming up,

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you know? And everybody's still kind of trying to, not really hearing everything, right?

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And then by the time March happened, we were already had a plan in place.

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We were able to continue. You were ahead of the game, by the way.

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Yeah, we were way ahead of everybody else. So like school shut down like on

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that Saturday, like that Friday was the 13th, I think, of March.

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And then we were able to at least be online teaching

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and learning on tuesday so like while

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the rest of you know counties were like panicking and

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didn't know what to do like we were able to keep the ball immediately and

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we got back into the into the school that fall

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uh like with split schedules but it

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was wild because you know everything changed right

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everything changed but there's good stuff that comes out of

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that dude first year principal and then i was like bang here we go

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hard mode yeah yeah i was like man we're gonna change lives

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right and at that time too you had like you had covid but

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then you also had like the the the re-emergence of basically the civil rights

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movement all that stuff happening at the same time and i was like man this is

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hard yeah this is really this is the hardest thing i've ever had to do and i

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remember telling my boss i was like man i'm i'm gonna be here i'm gonna get

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us through this for these next few years but.

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I can't do this forever. Like, it was just, it was just too much,

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you know. I see. Yeah. Are you still principal?

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No. No, I decided to go back and teach. Okay. I was like, I teach third grade.

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Okay. So I was like, I'd rather be with people who are still smaller than me.

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I mean, I'm sure they appreciated some, some strong leadership though during

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that time where it's like, it's, it's tough, man. It's unprecedented.

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Yeah. You got to do the best you can. You do. And you have to,

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it comes back to everything, like teaching jujitsu, right?

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Like it comes back to communication. It comes back to like building relationships with people.

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Uh, trying to get people to trust you and your judgment on

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how you make decisions how you instruct the class like it's it's all

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the same stuff man life is really about the same things

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right like communication like listening to

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other people hearing differences with opinions trying to find the middle ground on

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it so i know you said you're you're running strength conditioning for uh

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in the competition team for for for capital um

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are you teaching classes right now i teach the saturday competition

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class um so that's saturday noon

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it's all nogi uh because we have about

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like i don't know 40 of our classes are nogi

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30 the rest are gi typically during

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the week during the week yeah um but yeah so that's a little more aggressive

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class like a little more intense i would say uh it's very uh holistic in in

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terms of conceptual understanding of jiu-jitsu i don't get into a lot of the

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weeds of like this is what you do in step one, two, three, four,

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five, and six, we do a lot of,

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whether you're an ecological person or a Danaher person, or you're just a person

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who teaches Jiu Jitsu, like it's conceptual based.

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And I think that's another thing

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too, man. Like people get too much into like, we're this or that man.

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Like good instructions, just good instruction. Yeah. Whatever allows me.

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Yeah. Well, like, like you said, I would imagine, you know, we're similar to district martial arts.

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We're like during the week, you probably have a lot of classes that are to what

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you just mentioned where maybe it's like newer folks and they're not competing. Yep.

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They're going to need some step-by-step, uh, guidance through basic stuff as

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they get to a place where then you're talking to them and they have some sort of understanding.

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Of it whether they're a white belt or whatever or higher

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um i would agree insofar as

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like working with competitors because competitions now we

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got a game right now jiu-jitsu's a game and like games whatever

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the game is yeah cracking field whatever like there's like

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a goal you have to attain there's like a i'm

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gonna say a simplicity which doesn't mean it's easy right there's a

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simplicity like usually harder yeah it's usually harder which said

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i like what you said about how you're like all right let's get into some basic concepts

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because you have to simplify all this complex

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shit jiu-jitsu is complicated right it doesn't have.

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To be right that's sort of the challenge as a

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coach i don't make something that's really complicated as simple as possible

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so when these guys go out to play a game they know they got to do

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three things again it doesn't mean it's easy but let's do these three things

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doing well there's gonna be lots of there's gonna be lots of

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potential scenarios where you get distracted with like all the potential scenarios

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just keep your mind simple that's why concepts make sense yeah

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makes sense for sure and i think too like when you're so

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my background's in teaching and instruction right and i've had i mean

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literally thousands and thousands of hours where i've i've assessed people teaching

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and people in education jujitsu they get like in these camps of like this is

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the way that is research says this is the way well research falls short a lot

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of times too right and practical experience matters too right.

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So it's whatever the instructor or the teacher can actually communicate in a

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cogent way that someone can then take that information and then apply it.

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Whether you're teaching steps 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, whatever, or you're saying,

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I just want you to be able to control that person's armpits.

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That's your only task right now is to be able to get under their armpits and do not let them move.

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Like whatever allows you to communicate that and the person can then receive

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that information, like that feedback loop, and then how you're learning and

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watching what they're doing to take them another step forward.

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People don't realize, I think, I appreciate what you said, dude.

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Like teaching is a challenge, man, because not everyone learns the same way.

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Like the way we learn, like a lot of times when you're a new teacher, like, which is okay.

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Like i was a new teacher once and i have

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new teachers that come up on our team all the time and i feel

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like you default to like how do i learn and then

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you tend to communicate and like explain things like that because it's like

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all you really know absolutely this time goes on you have to like

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think about what i always try to

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challenge myself and my my other guys on my team to to

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do sort of like on the same thread that you were like how can

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i be trying to do what you just said you've done thousands of

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times it's really interesting this is cool that we're talking about this i have

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a lot to talk about you talk with you probably about offline too i don't

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learn from what you've done too same here which is that um but

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like trying to uh well yeah let me let me go back what i

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what i was trying to say was i try to tell my guys it's like how can

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you how can you communicate something that you know or maybe you think you know

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to other people in as simple a way as possible because like you may have a room

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of like let's say you have 30 40 people yeah all levels or whatever maybe it's

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not the competitors competitors already know some stuff that's another It's

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the same challenge, but you do it differently.

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Let's say it's all levels or intro or something. Beginner, it's like white belts.

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And like, how do we like challenge ourselves as instructors who we,

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we do know stuff, but do we know how to communicate it?

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And like, how do we get it into their minds and then watch them in as few words

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as possible deliver what we're trying to get them to do? Absolutely.

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Right. Like, which is not easy to do. Yeah. It takes a lot of work.

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It does. I think it comes back to the person's ability to reflect on their own skill set, right?

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Like, so when you think about when you're trying to teach something,

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you have content knowledge and you have pedagogy, right? So, you know,

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You have those two things, the way you teach your pedagogy. Word pedagogy, dude.

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Like it's a, we had a conversation a couple months back where like one of us

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dropped it and we were like, oh shit, dude.

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I was like, fuck yeah, dude. Anyways, continue bro, I'm sorry.

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No, that's cool. Like, and that's the thing. I'd love to hear what you guys talked about.

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Cause like, that's the piece, right? Like, so how you deliver the instruction

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and then not only that, but that feedback loop that's required.

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So like, I'm giving you a thing to work on, right?

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How am I assessing you in this situation? and then how am I using that information

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to then continue to move you forward, right?

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So you have that and then how you articulate it and all those things.

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And then you have your content now.

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And just being honest with yourself, like where is your gap?

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And that's what I think, that's the key to the whole thing.

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So like, I'm a really, like humbly, but not, I'm a really good teacher.

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Like I, well, I should be.

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Yeah, you've been in my class for a long time, yeah. I believe that I'm a really good teacher, right?

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He's like i believe that you believe that.

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But you know i'm

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okay with it no you're great yeah he's like i'm just really good at making you

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look you're a good teacher continue and so like but then my gap is content knowledge

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right like i haven't been doing jujitsu as long as you know someone who's been

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doing jujitsu for 20 years right So they've seen more, they've experienced more, right?

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So that's not their gap. That's my gap. So I have to address that.

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So how do I address my content now? Well, I have to educate myself, right?

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And that comes down to everything from conversations with people to watching,

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you know, videos to trying said skill and failing at it and then figuring out

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what's the best way to figure this thing out and then do it, right?

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And then I have to try to figure out how to make that part of my pedagogy.

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How do I then deliver that instruction?

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And I think that's like the gap, right? like people are

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not honest with themselves just because you know stuff doesn't

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mean you know how to teach it and then

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just because you know how to teach it doesn't mean you got to

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be careful what you teach right because you don't know enough

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i would i would uh i'd be willing to bet

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you you probably know more than you think by the way in in

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the martial art i just i i had i

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had this conversation a similar conversation with a guy who i

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met uh in texas who is a very

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high level he's a professional fighter he's a

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successful businessman he owns like five academies okay and like

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five in just in texas and like three or four internationally fought

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in the ufc fought in k1 fought all over

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beast and um it was it was a separate thread about i think you know what i think

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we were talking about like training training our trainers yeah and um anyways

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we were having a conversation and like there's just this moment where we were

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talking about how i feel like martial arts guys tend to be on,

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like we undervalue how much we actually know, you know?

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So it, depending on, I guess what the goal of the class you're in,

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right? Right. Like what are these guys depend? What's my audience?

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Is it intro? Like I said, it was a competitors. And then,

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kind of to, I guess, build up all of us as coaches. Like, all right,

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like, you may go into that thinking, these guys need, like, some world championship-level

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stuff if it's competitors. Right.

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But I'd be willing, but they don't. Right. Right? And so then you kind of audit,

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like, all right, but, you know, if I don't know how to win a world championship,

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big deal. But I do know X, Y, and Z.

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Like you said, that's, dude, I would be, I would, in my experience.

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I think there's more value with a dude who may not be a world champion,

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but knows how to instruct really well based on what we're talking about.

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Right. And what can I teach a person? For sure. What do I actually know?

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Probably more than you think. And there's value in that because like most of

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the people in your room, they don't know what you know.

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Right. So you can, if you could convey whatever, even if it's small,

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whatever amount of like legit value you have in your mind and you effectively

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do it, like you said, and I was going to ask another question earlier about

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how, if you have like a mechanism for kind of like assessing like the results, like, Hey, like I can.

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I take a look at however many people I've been teaching for five or six months.

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Can they actually do more now or whatever? We'll come back to that in a second.

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Cause I challenged myself with that too. I don't know if I have that down, but I try some things.

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Nonetheless, we like really, cause you, you made a good statement,

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which is like, you have to self-reliance.

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Like, all right, what do I actually, I have a whole list of stuff in my head.

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Like, I think I know 40 things. I probably know five of them pretty well.

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How well can I keep teaching those five things?

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Cause I feel like this is the cool thing about jujitsu, right?

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Like you do what you talked about.

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Know getting under the armpits or whatever whatever the specific thing you're teaching may be,

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if you get them to actually understand that one

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thing they'll probably unlock 10 more things that's the cool thing about jiu-jitsu

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right like as they're doing that they might pick up like well coach tell me

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to get into the armpits but like while i'm doing that my hips are in a really good spot

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right they'll see other things and they're starting to create movement where

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they're rotating a little bit and all of a sudden you're like there's space

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then how do i occupy that space so they learn like eight things are you being

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like all right i'm gonna do a really good job with this one thing that i'm like

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i'm gonna start with one thing yeah i think i know pretty well for sure I always

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tell a story about like I've been I've been training for it's my 20th year,

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and um competed a bunch um.

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Taught for 18 years and

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i i was told the story about like when i when i moved

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to virginia and started teaching up here i start

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there's this one move that i've been i've been demoing for like over a decade

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it's an art triangle and i use that as the move that i go back to i'm like all

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right how did i used to teach it yeah you know what i mean like and like for

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sure can i teach it now my challenge to myself like can i get more people to

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do it more quickly than than i did than i did Correct.

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And that's like, as in my opinion, that's like our job as coaches is like basically

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simply put, try to get whoever in like, these are customers,

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right? So like paying customers are coming.

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They're basically paying to learn the knowledge that we may have taken 15,

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20 years to learn and as quickly as possible.

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That's our job is like, Hey, I want you to learn faster than I learned.

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It's just, that's our job as teachers. Absolutely. That's what they're paying for.

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Um, but so like my audit was with the armchair was like, all right,

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can I run back to the same move that I taught 13 years ago? Yep.

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Teach it quicker, better in fewer words.

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Yes that's what i'm trying to do yep can you boil it

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down to fewer words yeah and that really like i

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think that's one of the the things i love about our gym like chad and paul

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they're both like really good chad if the audience

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doesn't know chad alone chad chad's a beast look him

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up yeah he's he's the real deal um in a lot of different aspects of life and

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paul's paul's a killer just he doesn't compete a lot and uh but they both know

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what their gaps were so like literally chad said to me he's like hey uh can

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you watch me teach and i sat back and i.

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Like a principal i sat back literally at the desk and i'm just watching i'm taking notes.

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I'm taking notes because he was asking about teaching a kid's class and his

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management and all that stuff. And I mean, he's a killer. He's a black belt, got a couple of stripes.

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He's a monster. But he humbles himself enough to be like, I need to get better

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at this thing. I respect that. Yeah.

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And he's like that with every aspect of his life. That's the guy he wants to

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get. That's a real black belt.

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Right. He's like, I'm trying to get better at everything I'm doing.

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And that's what a real black belt is. That's what a real coach is,

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right? You're someone who's trying to get better, right?

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Because ultimately, if you're getting better, you're better at being able to

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communicate what it is that you want your people to get better at.

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It elevates everything you do, right?

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Everything. Every aspect of your life, too, if you start to reflect and use

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those skills in other aspects.

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Can I ask you, whether it's like that is a use case or anyone else,

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I'm sure you've done this for other coaches, too. Like, what do you usually

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see? Like, what do you think most jiu-jitsu coaches struggle with?

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I think, for me, the thing that I notice the most is people talk too much.

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Okay. A hundred percent.

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I just did like a little reel, like on my social media about that.

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That's what we're sitting here talking. We were allowed to talk a lot.

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Yeah, yeah. That's the whole point of this. This is a talk to my dad. This is a safe space.

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I'll tell you if you're talking too much. Thank you, please, dude. Stop, buzzer.

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Too much. We'll start playing the music.

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But I think that's by far and away, this is the biggest mistake people make.

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They over-talk through moves. They over-talk through pulling people together.

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And then the second piece is they don't ask questions enough, right?

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Because if I'm watching you and you,

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grapple right i need to be always assessing like

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every like when you walk into the room like i'm assessing

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you and like i do that with my athletes when i'm coaching them

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in the weight room i do that with everything because the moment when

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i can see them i can make start making decisions about what we

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need to do right but then i

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also need to ask you like how did

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that feel did that feel successful no okay

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why didn't it feel successful we talk about that a lot in class because i can't

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make assumptions about what you're thinking like i need to know what you're

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thinking and why that won't why that worked why they didn't so i think that's

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the two biggest gaps is one is teachers talk too much and that's teachers in

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general across any platform okay um,

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over talking and then not questioning people about said skill instead a lot

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of times people walk around and they make judgments and decisions.

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Like, so if I see that rotation happening on somebody, I know that they're rotating

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to try to move, right, to create space. But, like, I want to know why.

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So why did you do that? You know, or I'll say in class too, like,

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was that successful, Alex?

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Like, I'll do that a lot. How many people were successful in that move?

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And half the class would put their hand up or, like, three people would put

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their hand up. And I'd be like, well, why were you successful?

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And instead of me talking through it, I say, Alex, why don't you and your partner

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come up here and show us and talk us through it? Because now if he's articulating

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why he was successful and also doing it, it's reinforcing his understandings.

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It's allowing me to see his understandings. He's revealing his knowledge.

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He's revealing his skill to me. So I can then continue to make decisions, right?

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As coaches, as teachers, our job is to constantly be assessing people to move

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them along to a better understanding.

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Not by making assumptions about what they think. i always

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like i've talked about this on the show before too where like after after classes

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usually all levels classes can be whatever class though i'll i'll

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teach and then i'll get like three or four people asking me questions and sometimes

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like this a lot of times this leads to me getting personal lessons from people

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it's not my intent but i if they want to do it i'll do it you know for sure

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kind of part of what i do is my job but i i find a lot of times like like you said like,

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I'll ask him questions like they'll come up and be like this one thing is bugging me and I'm like okay.

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And so what I'm trying to get to is that I find like a lot of times I ask them

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and like, sometimes I feel like they already know the answer.

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Yeah, for sure. And so I think there's a value in being like, well, hold on.

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Yeah. What do you think it was? And my, usually I ask the question,

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like if someone's, something's not working, the first question I always ask

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them, like, all right, well, tell me about the person it's not working with.

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Is it someone bigger and better than you?

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It's a blue belt. And I'm like, I can't get this thing done on this really good

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brown belt. I'm like, well, let's start with that.

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It's a really good brown belt. Like, so there's what you think you're doing.

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You might not be incorrect. You just want to be doing it completely correctly. Right.

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Or a little too slow because they've already moved on. Yeah.

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Yeah. They've already figured out what you're doing.

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They've been compression tested by the guy who's got eight more years experience

00:27:07.386 --> 00:27:09.326
than you and he's 25 pounds bigger than you.

00:27:09.486 --> 00:27:12.826
Mm-hmm. So you're doing the move on hard mode and they're pointing out flaws.

00:27:12.946 --> 00:27:15.866
And so I always try to start with a counter question like that.

00:27:15.926 --> 00:27:20.046
Does it work against people like smaller, same size, same skill level or lower?

00:27:20.226 --> 00:27:22.586
Like, well, yeah, but I'm like, all right. But that's what you're doing though,

00:27:22.666 --> 00:27:25.726
right? You're asking a question and you're being precise about your question

00:27:25.726 --> 00:27:29.626
because you want to elicit specific information to then make a decision about

00:27:29.626 --> 00:27:32.086
what you need to do with that person. Yeah.

00:27:32.326 --> 00:27:35.886
Right. And I think that's the key, right? Like the specificity of questions.

00:27:36.166 --> 00:27:40.986
Right. And I think there's also like power in just the simplicity of why, right?

00:27:41.086 --> 00:27:44.626
Like, why didn't that work? I don't know. Well, let's talk about that.

00:27:44.946 --> 00:27:47.666
Yeah. I love that. I love the post-class. Like when I, like I said,

00:27:47.686 --> 00:27:51.446
if I get a couple of people, I jokingly call office hours, I'll sit there.

00:27:51.446 --> 00:27:53.306
I'm like, I'll talk for a few minutes. Cause I got, I'm going to have 15,

00:27:53.306 --> 00:27:54.566
and 20 minutes of conversation with students.

00:27:54.706 --> 00:27:57.366
And obviously I love this stuff. So how am I doing it? It's fun.

00:27:57.606 --> 00:28:00.426
But like I said, a lot of times it's that. It's one of those things I'm like,

00:28:00.506 --> 00:28:02.526
let's talk about it, all right? Let's point out, let's describe the situation.

00:28:02.686 --> 00:28:04.506
And I'm like, all right, well, like, what do you think it is?

00:28:04.526 --> 00:28:06.746
I'm like, well, you know, that's probably it.

00:28:06.966 --> 00:28:09.206
Yeah. Good job. And most people already know.

00:28:09.506 --> 00:28:12.906
Yes, most people already know. You already know. They just, what they need is reinforcement.

00:28:13.286 --> 00:28:17.506
They need to know that like, I'm on the right track or I'm way off, right?

00:28:17.586 --> 00:28:23.046
But they already have feelings about it. So find out what it is and affirm it or correct it.

00:28:23.586 --> 00:28:29.566
As I've it's fun man I like being a lot about that stuff and so when I started

00:28:29.566 --> 00:28:34.206
wrestling in Gigi everyone accuses me of being.

00:28:35.277 --> 00:28:38.037
I'm not i think it's your years thanks bro yeah um but i'm

00:28:38.037 --> 00:28:40.757
not now i take it as a couple and i'm like thanks guys but actually i started

00:28:40.757 --> 00:28:43.677
wrestling after i started jiu-jitsu for to get better

00:28:43.677 --> 00:28:46.757
at jiu-jitsu yeah i wrestle a lot so i'm decent

00:28:46.757 --> 00:28:49.397
at it but i really like it one because i'm just i'm not the

00:28:49.397 --> 00:28:52.097
best guy in the room i love that yeah you know this

00:28:52.097 --> 00:28:54.837
is something like nice about it i just get to

00:28:54.837 --> 00:28:58.037
learn um but i've tried to like take that mindset

00:28:58.037 --> 00:29:00.757
to like teaching as well and the last couple years really i've been

00:29:00.757 --> 00:29:04.137
like all right like i want to do a better job this is my cool amongst

00:29:04.137 --> 00:29:06.517
i'm one of the owners of district martial arts like i have a lot of different

00:29:06.517 --> 00:29:11.637
functions and roles but the root of everything i do is like delivering martial

00:29:11.637 --> 00:29:16.257
arts to customers yep so i'm like how do i get better at doing it yep and uh

00:29:16.257 --> 00:29:19.617
dude's fun yeah well i think that's the key too is like paul's that way too

00:29:19.617 --> 00:29:21.497
he'll text me after class and he'll teach

00:29:21.897 --> 00:29:25.917
that he'll teach and uh he'll he'll text me right what do you think.

00:29:26.742 --> 00:29:30.202
Like, who does that? But that's the key, right? So, like, even for you,

00:29:30.322 --> 00:29:35.002
like, just having someone, their role in class when you're teaching said skill,

00:29:35.002 --> 00:29:40.302
if you say to them, I want you to just pay attention to how clear and precise

00:29:40.302 --> 00:29:41.342
I can be in my communication.

00:29:42.022 --> 00:29:45.162
So, in class, that person's just watching it. At the end of class,

00:29:45.322 --> 00:29:46.662
hey, can we talk about that?

00:29:46.882 --> 00:29:49.782
And if you find someone who has a teaching background, right,

00:29:49.902 --> 00:29:53.102
even better, right? or someone who has like a coaching background,

00:29:53.242 --> 00:29:56.742
but like a good coaching background because everybody's coached at some point

00:29:56.742 --> 00:29:58.682
in something, right? But not everybody's a good coach.

00:29:59.142 --> 00:30:01.062
So I think that's like- I'll ask you to come in and watch me,

00:30:01.182 --> 00:30:04.362
but- No, I would totally do that. That sounds awesome, man. I'll text you on that.

00:30:05.462 --> 00:30:08.962
We do have a guy, one of our black belts is a teacher and I've never actually

00:30:08.962 --> 00:30:10.682
asked him to do that. I'm going to ask him to do that too.

00:30:10.882 --> 00:30:13.462
You should. And if you say- Carter, yeah. What's his name? Carter,

00:30:13.582 --> 00:30:14.522
I'm going to- Carter. Yeah, yeah.

00:30:14.962 --> 00:30:19.562
I mean, you're not going to, there's no mistake in it. And you're literally

00:30:19.562 --> 00:30:22.262
putting yourself right back into a white belt. situation. I like it, man. Yeah.

00:30:22.822 --> 00:30:24.822
Let's talk about, I mean, we could keep talking about this all day,

00:30:24.922 --> 00:30:27.142
dude. I love this stuff. Should we talk about Movember? Yeah,

00:30:27.242 --> 00:30:30.282
let's get to Movember and then we'll see where it goes from there. Yeah, yeah.

00:30:31.202 --> 00:30:34.122
So, I don't have anywhere to be until like, oh, maybe.

00:30:34.722 --> 00:30:38.122
Careful what's this for. Until like, 1.30. We have plenty of time.

00:30:38.122 --> 00:30:39.882
Alex, though, he's got stuff to do for me.

00:30:40.022 --> 00:30:43.802
Yeah, well, he's a strong silent type, man. He's like, I got stuff, bro.

00:30:44.222 --> 00:30:48.402
He's got stuff to do. Playing chess. I got an Antifa meeting to attend to.

00:30:48.682 --> 00:30:51.402
He's already one, man. I think it was game three times.

00:30:52.602 --> 00:30:56.462
He's like, sorry, probably. Sorry, other groups. Whatever one.

00:30:56.702 --> 00:30:58.362
Whatever hate groups. Whichever one you guys don't like.

00:30:59.302 --> 00:31:02.122
I import no hate groups. He's like, I like hate groups so much,

00:31:02.142 --> 00:31:05.762
I go to all of them. I don't care what side of the aisle. I just love hating,

00:31:05.922 --> 00:31:06.922
you know. I'm a special hater.

00:31:07.802 --> 00:31:10.782
Equal opportunity. You're more of a self-hater. Let's be honest.

00:31:10.882 --> 00:31:12.742
Just can't get enough hate. Hate, hate, hate, hate, hate. Haters Club.

00:31:13.662 --> 00:31:18.142
So, yeah. So, you guys have the Movember thing. So, this is year three? Three?

00:31:19.100 --> 00:31:25.380
Don't look at me, man. Four for the gym. I mean, yeah. It's been a long week.

00:31:26.020 --> 00:31:31.440
Yeah. Year four for the gym. I started it working with Movember back in 2012.

00:31:31.580 --> 00:31:34.680
And it started with my pop who had prostate cancer.

00:31:35.880 --> 00:31:40.780
And he and I had a really like turbulent relationship until I left home.

00:31:42.100 --> 00:31:47.240
Pissie outgoes. Yeah. Yeah. And it was tough. He was like a really good coach, like super successful.

00:31:47.240 --> 00:31:51.660
His uh softball team they lost like 10 games in the last 10 years of his career

00:31:51.660 --> 00:31:55.600
yeah but he was like very much if you know like old baseball like billy martin

00:31:55.600 --> 00:31:57.160
like kicking dirt at the umpire,

00:31:57.660 --> 00:32:02.380
rough around the edges super rough uh but his players loved him his he was a

00:32:02.380 --> 00:32:05.680
girls coach they loved him they thought he was great because he would literally

00:32:05.680 --> 00:32:09.500
he was the guy who would like if i fight for you yeah we have totally different

00:32:09.500 --> 00:32:14.560
teaching styles like totally different um and And,

00:32:14.560 --> 00:32:17.060
but I, but we had, we had some strain in our relationship.

00:32:17.600 --> 00:32:22.760
And then as we got older, we got better, all those things in, um, got cancer.

00:32:22.880 --> 00:32:25.200
And I was like, I got to figure out something to do to, you know,

00:32:25.320 --> 00:32:27.760
honor him and honor those who need that support.

00:32:27.920 --> 00:32:31.940
So I just got involved with it. Uh, first year, I think I raised 25 bucks.

00:32:32.740 --> 00:32:35.640
So I was like, Hey, just trying to figure this thing out.

00:32:36.060 --> 00:32:39.700
And then I was doing the Highland games at the time and a buddy of mine runs

00:32:39.700 --> 00:32:41.520
some games out towards like front Royal.

00:32:41.520 --> 00:32:45.740
Him and I reached out to him I said hey let's take a game and that you're doing

00:32:45.740 --> 00:32:50.040
and let's just attach this to it and let's see how we can raise some money and

00:32:50.040 --> 00:32:54.160
then the next year it was like 500 bucks and then the next year it was like

00:32:54.160 --> 00:32:56.100
800 and then it just kind of kept going,

00:32:56.740 --> 00:33:00.540
long story short I had to stop throwing because I had a full shoulder replacement.

00:33:01.483 --> 00:33:04.423
Short i've literally couldn't wipe my butt damn yeah it was terrible

00:33:04.423 --> 00:33:12.103
um got really good with my left hand and a lot of things bro and i'm left-handed

00:33:12.103 --> 00:33:18.703
bro so yeah so it was great i mean whole new world wipe up mentality man and

00:33:18.703 --> 00:33:21.643
uh so i was like you know throw career kind of ended.

00:33:22.803 --> 00:33:25.783
Um and i was like i love jiu-jitsu went back

00:33:25.783 --> 00:33:29.463
to jiu-jitsu and then over time i was like let's let's

00:33:29.463 --> 00:33:32.423
start doing this and chad and paul are amazing guys man like our community

00:33:32.423 --> 00:33:35.703
is really a community like a lot of jujitsu communities it's it's

00:33:35.703 --> 00:33:38.583
a community right like we're there to help each other and elevate each other

00:33:38.583 --> 00:33:41.343
and i was like i just pissed the idea i'm like

00:33:41.343 --> 00:33:45.703
wow we have some fights and it started off with just like the capital system

00:33:45.703 --> 00:33:51.043
you know and then uh had a few other people dude i think we had 18 super 101

00:33:51.043 --> 00:33:58.843
super fights the first year yeah it was a lot it's a I never ran an event before either like that.

00:33:59.063 --> 00:34:01.883
So fortunately I was like a principal. A lot of white belt experience.

00:34:02.343 --> 00:34:05.943
Yeah. Yeah. But everybody was there like supporting it. Right.

00:34:06.023 --> 00:34:09.523
Like some, I had a team that was like working Thor and everybody volunteered

00:34:09.523 --> 00:34:12.063
all their time to do it. And it's all volunteer stuff.

00:34:12.603 --> 00:34:16.323
And, uh, we raised, it was like $6,200.

00:34:16.983 --> 00:34:21.223
All right. Yeah. So leap, man. Yeah. We made like, and it just kept tracking that way.

00:34:21.403 --> 00:34:25.823
It was like 4,800 was the best year prior to the first year of the super fights.

00:34:26.463 --> 00:34:31.283
And it was cool, but it was a long day. So then literally stepping back,

00:34:31.483 --> 00:34:36.783
talking to people on the team, people who volunteered, it's a simple process. What went well?

00:34:37.343 --> 00:34:40.843
What could we have done better? How are we going to do it? Right? Like, well, better how?

00:34:41.203 --> 00:34:43.863
And I teach that with like my third graders too, like on everything.

00:34:44.123 --> 00:34:45.703
They're probably tired of hearing it all right, sure.

00:34:46.543 --> 00:34:49.903
And, um, but just evaluating that, right? Like, what did I do well?

00:34:49.983 --> 00:34:51.623
What can I do better? How am I going to do better at it?

00:34:52.391 --> 00:34:54.991
So then we're like, let's switch it up. Let's make it a little more interesting.

00:34:55.251 --> 00:35:04.931
So we had a, was it four, five on five quintet style, but men and women combined

00:35:04.931 --> 00:35:07.111
teams. Like you had men and women on the teams.

00:35:07.871 --> 00:35:11.151
Yeah. So you had to have a blue boat, a brown boat.

00:35:11.291 --> 00:35:13.671
That was two years ago. That was two years ago. Yeah. A blue boat,

00:35:13.771 --> 00:35:16.011
a purple boat, a brown boat and a black boat.

00:35:16.511 --> 00:35:19.851
And there was a weight limit to it. And that was a lot of fun.

00:35:20.111 --> 00:35:23.991
And people were totally into it. Because you had, like, Danielle Gallo,

00:35:24.111 --> 00:35:26.051
who's, like, really, really solid.

00:35:26.231 --> 00:35:28.411
Do you know Danielle? I know Danielle, yeah. Yeah, she's amazing.

00:35:28.511 --> 00:35:32.251
She's, like, fighting, like, she's fighting someone who is a general.

00:35:32.811 --> 00:35:36.691
No. Special Forces. Come on. Yeah. Good for her. She would not submit.

00:35:36.891 --> 00:35:38.591
Good for her. Yeah. She would not.

00:35:39.051 --> 00:35:42.491
I'm sitting there watching, like, oh, my God. Danielle. I'm going to lose my house.

00:35:43.611 --> 00:35:47.031
She's literally going to die. She didn't submit. She didn't tap.

00:35:47.171 --> 00:35:51.831
And, you know, he was kind of, and he's, that's a big dude. He's like 6'2",

00:35:51.831 --> 00:35:53.751
like 2'10". Damn. He's a big guy.

00:35:53.891 --> 00:35:57.671
But she was fighting her hurt out, right? And the goal of that one was like,

00:35:57.771 --> 00:36:00.211
if you didn't get submitted, that person goes out.

00:36:00.451 --> 00:36:02.911
Yeah. So she's- She kind of won. Yeah. Yeah.

00:36:04.011 --> 00:36:07.331
And, but it was great. You had like gimmick fights, right? There was the power

00:36:07.331 --> 00:36:09.711
slap fight. Yeah, we did a slap fight. Or not, it was not- You guys are kind

00:36:09.711 --> 00:36:11.571
of messing, like you're messing with some fun.

00:36:11.691 --> 00:36:13.651
You're kind of experimenting with like- Just try to have a good- Keep it,

00:36:13.711 --> 00:36:15.171
keep it fresh, keep it fun. Absolutely.

00:36:15.511 --> 00:36:18.631
I like that. We did a slap jitsu fight. How was that? Combat jiu-jitsu or whatever.

00:36:19.871 --> 00:36:24.631
It was weird, man. It was two friends and it was, it was hard to watch them just smack each other.

00:36:24.931 --> 00:36:28.431
Yeah. Cause there was, there was a distinct part in the fight where one guy

00:36:28.431 --> 00:36:30.891
smacked a little too hard and then it was on after that.

00:36:31.211 --> 00:36:33.651
I can think of it as two friends who were going to smack me up.

00:36:33.751 --> 00:36:34.971
No longer friendly after that.

00:36:35.231 --> 00:36:37.831
No longer friendly. And there were mismatch too. Cause like John was like,

00:36:37.991 --> 00:36:41.971
John's like 6'2", like 165 pounds.

00:36:42.431 --> 00:36:46.851
Mikel was like, my height. He's like 5'8", 5'7". I'm taller than him.

00:36:47.350 --> 00:36:50.150
I'm five six okay maybe he's he's four five

00:36:50.150 --> 00:36:53.290
something he's five one maybe no he's

00:36:53.290 --> 00:36:56.950
like five six and a quarter man that's kind of in schedule yeah and

00:36:56.950 --> 00:37:02.330
he uh and he's like 140 oh okay yeah so there's like a mismatch to it but they

00:37:02.330 --> 00:37:06.230
uh but i also wanted they they wanted to do it and i was like all right i'll

00:37:06.230 --> 00:37:10.150
hear you out yeah but i was cool with it because they were friends right now

00:37:10.150 --> 00:37:15.190
if i said hey scott i'm gonna push you up with alex i don't know how that's gonna go yeah like Like,

00:37:15.350 --> 00:37:18.210
you know, Alex is, yep. We can bow!

00:37:19.430 --> 00:37:21.670
My five fingers say to the face. Slap, baby.

00:37:23.610 --> 00:37:26.690
And so I was cool with that. But it was fun, man. We had a good time.

00:37:26.910 --> 00:37:30.610
And then out of that, though, because I am anxious, I was like,

00:37:30.690 --> 00:37:32.810
man, I can't have someone getting hurt.

00:37:33.030 --> 00:37:35.510
Like, that would be terrible. Because this is a charity event. Yeah.

00:37:37.470 --> 00:37:43.010
To help save lives. And so then we broke it off and had a men's division teams,

00:37:43.170 --> 00:37:46.370
women's division teams. And then we had a couple individual super fights.

00:37:46.750 --> 00:37:49.610
And I thought that kind of, that was last year. Yeah. I was like,

00:37:49.690 --> 00:37:51.730
man, let's, let's kind of settle into that space.

00:37:52.250 --> 00:37:56.030
So this year there's going to be, but it was also, we had a lot of teams.

00:37:56.370 --> 00:37:59.230
So I was like, can't do that. It was a long day. So it was a whole,

00:37:59.350 --> 00:38:02.170
we were on the mic for like six hours. Yeah. Six hours just talking.

00:38:02.530 --> 00:38:04.850
Yeah. Like long day. Yeah. It was long.

00:38:05.270 --> 00:38:09.010
So we, this year we went with four women teams or men's teams.

00:38:09.330 --> 00:38:11.690
And then there's three individual super fights. Okay.

00:38:12.330 --> 00:38:15.490
And, uh, same style. same with tests and uh

00:38:15.490 --> 00:38:18.270
and super fights yep but it's a three on three tournament this time

00:38:18.270 --> 00:38:21.310
too so i want to try to reduce the amount of time got it right

00:38:21.310 --> 00:38:28.650
and uh and also keep it super competitive because the we're still growing this

00:38:28.650 --> 00:38:31.550
out and every year we've got more and more people involved like your team's

00:38:31.550 --> 00:38:35.330
coming out which is awesome so it's kind of branched out like the four men's

00:38:35.330 --> 00:38:39.650
teams there's a battlefield team process over prize has a team capital has a

00:38:39.650 --> 00:38:41.110
team and then there's a team of uh.

00:38:42.687 --> 00:38:46.027
Mercenaries. Mercenaries. Freelance. Yeah. Yeah. And they're good.

00:38:46.327 --> 00:38:49.047
Like, they're good. They're good. You might see them.

00:38:50.507 --> 00:38:55.107
When is it, by the way? November 22nd. November 22nd. Okay. It capital in Lorton.

00:38:55.567 --> 00:38:58.207
Starts at 10. Fights will start at 10. Doors will open around 930.

00:38:58.907 --> 00:39:01.707
We'll have a taco truck there also. That's awesome.

00:39:01.967 --> 00:39:04.207
And if you've never been to our... You haven't been there. I don't think so.

00:39:04.267 --> 00:39:06.327
I don't think I've been to... You guys got to come. Yeah, we'll check it out.

00:39:06.327 --> 00:39:08.907
So it's an old prison. Yeah. No. Oh, yeah.

00:39:09.327 --> 00:39:12.767
Yeah. Wait, so is it in the workhouse? Yes. Okay. Yeah, but we're on the other

00:39:12.767 --> 00:39:14.887
side from, like, there's the arts area.

00:39:15.127 --> 00:39:19.547
We're on the other side of the, we'll say campus. Near the Lidl. Yeah.

00:39:19.987 --> 00:39:24.287
Thank God we finally have food by us. Yeah. We went like a year with only 7-Eleven

00:39:24.287 --> 00:39:25.587
close by. It was terrible. Dang.

00:39:26.735 --> 00:39:29.895
But, yeah, it's an amazing event. You guys definitely got to come.

00:39:30.035 --> 00:39:33.035
I love to be there. I'll be there. Be there in a couple weeks. You fighting? Yep.

00:39:33.315 --> 00:39:38.635
Yeah, I got me, Big John, and Perry. So I'm bringing my heavies. The heavy hitters?

00:39:38.815 --> 00:39:41.375
I'm bringing my heavies with me. Mike's going to protect me.

00:39:41.575 --> 00:39:44.515
I love it. Tell us about these guys. I don't know a whole lot other than that

00:39:44.515 --> 00:39:46.115
they win medals. You know? Yeah.

00:39:47.555 --> 00:39:51.695
So Perry had, I don't understand how.

00:39:51.895 --> 00:39:56.075
This is a man who had never done, like, sports before.

00:39:56.075 --> 00:40:03.575
But he's like super athletic strong um it's like alex like you should have done sports.

00:40:05.055 --> 00:40:08.055
It's like why did you not wrestle like you've been so good at wrestling

00:40:08.055 --> 00:40:11.555
yeah um but so like he's just a guy who just decided

00:40:11.555 --> 00:40:15.435
to pick up jiu-jitsu one day and um i

00:40:15.435 --> 00:40:18.875
think he did like combatives and stuff like for work whatever

00:40:18.875 --> 00:40:21.655
his job is i'm not sure what it is yeah there's a

00:40:21.655 --> 00:40:25.155
lot of them there's a lot of them in northern virginia yeah yeah um

00:40:25.155 --> 00:40:28.135
interesting yeah uh but so he

00:40:28.135 --> 00:40:31.135
uh but so perry like he's just started

00:40:31.135 --> 00:40:37.075
doing jujitsu i think two years ago okay and like just took to it started decided

00:40:37.075 --> 00:40:42.055
to start competing um and just been on a tear lately like he was just with me

00:40:42.055 --> 00:40:45.355
in london oh that's who you went out there yeah so well we he was there for

00:40:45.355 --> 00:40:48.995
work and we met at the we decided to both do the tournament. Yeah.

00:40:49.655 --> 00:40:51.635
Um, and he, uh,

00:40:52.634 --> 00:40:55.654
I mean, he tore through his division in gi.

00:40:56.234 --> 00:41:00.974
Then no one showed up. They're all too scared of him in no gi. No one wanted to sign up.

00:41:02.974 --> 00:41:07.354
But he's been on a tear. He's been like, he's usually super heavy,

00:41:07.374 --> 00:41:09.694
but he's bumped up to ultra heavy. He'll go wherever.

00:41:09.974 --> 00:41:13.114
So I mean, he's tough and he's strong. So they're both big.

00:41:13.394 --> 00:41:16.754
Yeah, yeah, they're both big. I'm telling them, you guys have to at least cut

00:41:16.754 --> 00:41:19.194
a little bit away. I can't cut weight every other weekend.

00:41:19.634 --> 00:41:22.474
You got to give me a break. No, make them cut weight. yeah i was like i was

00:41:22.474 --> 00:41:25.054
like you know whichever one of you is the head we gotta wait a lot,

00:41:26.694 --> 00:41:29.894
i'm walking in at 140 whatever 150 for you

00:41:29.894 --> 00:41:32.694
yeah yeah this is for you yeah and know

00:41:32.694 --> 00:41:35.794
that too like that's one of the things we don't want to make it so stressful for

00:41:35.794 --> 00:41:38.654
people like if you say if your team says you

00:41:38.654 --> 00:41:41.454
weigh under the limit we're not we're not weighing

00:41:41.454 --> 00:41:44.254
you in we'll be we'll do good we trust people's word as long

00:41:44.254 --> 00:41:47.094
as perry doesn't gain any it doesn't keep gaining weight i'll

00:41:47.094 --> 00:41:50.234
be fun um because yeah we

00:41:50.234 --> 00:41:53.254
we did the math we're like dead on as long as perry stays

00:41:53.254 --> 00:42:01.854
at 225 perry hear that perry paging perry yeah uh then john was a division one

00:42:01.854 --> 00:42:07.634
wrestler out of campbell university oh uh he weighs about 260 pounds okay so

00:42:07.634 --> 00:42:10.454
he's a big boy uh he wrestled at 190,

00:42:11.485 --> 00:42:16.965
Okay, so life's been good. Yeah, so he's grown since his wrestling days.

00:42:17.425 --> 00:42:21.285
Well, he's allowed to eat now. Yeah, well, he's like a jack 262.

00:42:21.545 --> 00:42:24.985
He's like a big boy. I'm glad I'm not competing. What's the other weight allowance?

00:42:26.405 --> 00:42:27.345
It's right there.

00:42:29.385 --> 00:42:32.345
I think we did the math. It was like 740 or something. Is that right?

00:42:32.465 --> 00:42:35.485
I forget, to be honest with you. I think it's 640.

00:42:35.725 --> 00:42:40.665
640, yeah, that sounds right. Because it's 260, 225, 155, by the way.

00:42:40.665 --> 00:42:44.825
480 for the women i think it was in six don't look at me i've been trying to

00:42:44.825 --> 00:42:49.565
keep track of a lot of different weight allowance teams um all these possibilities

00:42:49.565 --> 00:42:55.005
all these yeah you know but so we i immediately when i saw you posted i messaged

00:42:55.005 --> 00:42:57.345
john i'm like we need a third person.

00:42:58.325 --> 00:43:01.225
Who who will who will get us to this weight limit and

00:43:01.225 --> 00:43:05.105
he's like what about pairing like we're like doing math yeah the

00:43:05.105 --> 00:43:08.645
numbers are scrolling across her you know i love it um yeah

00:43:08.645 --> 00:43:14.385
so he's he's big dude he just won uh Masters Worlds um he was gonna do pans

00:43:14.385 --> 00:43:18.745
probably would've won that too cause competing at blue belt as a division one

00:43:18.745 --> 00:43:24.465
wrestler it's a recipe for success yeah so he's uh he's a he's a big strong

00:43:24.465 --> 00:43:27.785
boy athletic how busy uh he's,

00:43:28.445 --> 00:43:35.885
Masters he's 44 oh okay okay take his knees out yeah he's Masters 4 so he's

00:43:35.885 --> 00:43:39.625
Masters 4 so he's my yeah Yeah, he just went over to Matt. He just went to Matt.

00:43:40.364 --> 00:43:43.604
Yeah, I think it's like 40, 45, 45, 49.

00:43:43.984 --> 00:43:51.004
Yeah. Yeah. So he just hit that. Perry is Masters 3. Okay. So I'm the young small man. Nice.

00:43:51.744 --> 00:43:56.744
Yeah, that'll be good. It'll be interesting. We have a few different strategies,

00:43:56.764 --> 00:43:59.624
I guess, based on what the team in front of us is going to be. Yeah.

00:44:00.064 --> 00:44:02.024
I think I'm running cleanup for all of them.

00:44:03.364 --> 00:44:06.684
Let them do the... Yeah, I'm just going to get the tired people at the end.

00:44:06.864 --> 00:44:10.804
Yeah. I kind of have in mind, too, thinking about... because I've watched the

00:44:10.804 --> 00:44:15.344
videos and I've seen, like your team's the only team I had the least amount of knowledge of.

00:44:15.604 --> 00:44:19.184
So I try to at least create like some opportunities.

00:44:19.584 --> 00:44:23.184
Are you matchmaking? Yeah, for sure. Fixing the fights. Fixing the fights.

00:44:23.424 --> 00:44:25.184
Fix them, baby. 100%, I'll take cash.

00:44:26.024 --> 00:44:28.744
Not Venmo though for this because I don't want any record. No,

00:44:28.804 --> 00:44:33.604
you don't want a trail of your fight fixes. It's not cool. Pete Rose taught us that. Yeah.

00:44:33.944 --> 00:44:37.444
So yeah, I don't want to do that. But yeah, I could see like a good matchup.

00:44:37.724 --> 00:44:40.744
Who's on the Capitol? For sure. so the capital team is made

00:44:40.744 --> 00:44:44.664
up of uh chad malone who

00:44:44.664 --> 00:44:47.824
black boat uh chris uh the ramses

00:44:47.824 --> 00:44:51.524
who's a brown belt he's uh it's like 160

00:44:51.524 --> 00:44:57.644
he cuts down to 150 i think yeah but he's uh he's tough he's been like probably

00:44:57.644 --> 00:45:02.564
my main him and alex chris and i have been training together a lot for like

00:45:02.564 --> 00:45:07.324
many years he's and it's funny because we were like blue belts together then

00:45:07.324 --> 00:45:09.024
all of a sudden like He just kept,

00:45:09.224 --> 00:45:12.804
just kept going. Stayed active. Yeah.

00:45:13.104 --> 00:45:16.384
Yeah. I had some injuries that kind of held me back a bit, but that's no excuse.

00:45:16.664 --> 00:45:21.724
Like Chris just kept getting better at a much rapid pace. He really almost anybody in the gym.

00:45:22.522 --> 00:45:24.982
He just kept getting better and better and better and better.

00:45:25.102 --> 00:45:29.182
Yeah. Super smart. Like, very intelligent. Like, has a degree in literature.

00:45:29.602 --> 00:45:33.202
Like, so he's, you know, thinking all the time. He'll write a poem about you

00:45:33.202 --> 00:45:36.222
after he thinks. Yeah. Yeah. He's got great hair.

00:45:36.702 --> 00:45:39.722
He'll write a poem while you're wrestling. That'd be great. He's got flowing

00:45:39.722 --> 00:45:42.942
locks. He's got beautiful hair. He does have luscious hair. Yeah.

00:45:43.042 --> 00:45:44.482
And his wife has amazing hair, too.

00:45:44.882 --> 00:45:48.062
And the princess is better. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Their little one has great hair,

00:45:48.122 --> 00:45:50.362
too. Oh, it's just not fun. It's just, yeah.

00:45:50.722 --> 00:45:53.822
Yeah. Yeah. So, good luck. He's a cook-off. It's a genetic. Yeah.

00:45:54.042 --> 00:45:57.082
He's just good at jiu-jitsu, smart, and beautiful. What the news is,

00:45:57.262 --> 00:45:58.402
it's not a hair competition.

00:45:58.702 --> 00:46:01.442
And he's a carpenter. Yeah, try training with this guy. Does he have the best

00:46:01.442 --> 00:46:04.962
callifier, too? He has... No, yours... He doesn't have much... Jesus.

00:46:05.282 --> 00:46:08.462
Oh, at least I have that. You definitely win the callifier competition.

00:46:09.042 --> 00:46:11.862
And then Brad. Big Brad. Oh, okay.

00:46:12.022 --> 00:46:17.562
And so Brad was... He's a brown belt with us. Brad was a D1 offensive guard. Nice.

00:46:17.942 --> 00:46:22.462
Yeah. I'm going to send John out. He's, he is got the most supple hips.

00:46:22.602 --> 00:46:26.082
He's so flexible. This guy literally picturing a supple hit. Yeah.

00:46:26.902 --> 00:46:33.302
Offensive lineman. Here's your visual, right? He's six, two, uh, ways.

00:46:33.802 --> 00:46:38.462
He's lost some weight. He's like two 40, but he, he's been like two 90, right?

00:46:38.742 --> 00:46:44.322
He can literally sit on his butt and take his leg over the back of his head.

00:46:45.307 --> 00:46:49.307
Yeah, so he plays like a little guy game. No kidding. But he's...

00:46:49.307 --> 00:46:52.887
He's a giant. He's a giant. And he, like, so I was training him.

00:46:53.207 --> 00:46:57.107
I mean, he deadlifted, God, what did he deadlift? Like six?

00:46:57.747 --> 00:47:01.447
I would... Yeah, it was around like six. Yeah, I was going to guess.

00:47:01.567 --> 00:47:05.387
Yeah, I think his best, like when he was in college, he deadlifted like six

00:47:05.387 --> 00:47:09.187
thirds. Which is an awesome ability too. Yeah, like unbelievably frustrating.

00:47:09.367 --> 00:47:12.647
Like it is, it's incredibly like, because he just messes with you the whole time.

00:47:12.887 --> 00:47:16.747
Do you like the superior athletes or the inferior athletes for like the for

00:47:16.747 --> 00:47:22.867
your job honestly yeah so totally honest um early in my career i was cool with

00:47:22.867 --> 00:47:27.327
anybody like but now like i've been literally coaching for 34 years,

00:47:28.067 --> 00:47:32.727
i like to pick people who i don't care about their skill set i care whether

00:47:32.727 --> 00:47:42.447
or not you do the work okay that's all i care about like alex is amazing great break dancer what whoa.

00:47:43.827 --> 00:47:48.387
College break dancing so he's got some skills right the Martinez brothers over

00:47:48.387 --> 00:47:52.007
here did you throw your hat in the ring for the Olympics recently no dude I

00:47:52.007 --> 00:47:54.307
got way too many injuries yeah,

00:47:54.927 --> 00:47:59.087
if I tried like anything from 10th Planet like Robert Gardner my knees would

00:47:59.087 --> 00:48:03.667
explode literally it's happened he's putting the break in break dance literally,

00:48:04.407 --> 00:48:07.507
comb my glass Joe and so like

00:48:07.507 --> 00:48:10.767
someone like Alex who I would like

00:48:10.767 --> 00:48:15.447
i love working with right because he'll he's gonna do the work right um so i

00:48:15.447 --> 00:48:19.887
don't care i have a guy working with tom tom's 61 years old we've been i've

00:48:19.887 --> 00:48:26.227
been coaching training him for six years five six years and uh he's an older

00:48:26.227 --> 00:48:28.947
man right he was out of shape but like he does the work he.

00:48:30.409 --> 00:48:33.649
That's all I want. But I'm like super selective who I work with.

00:48:34.069 --> 00:48:36.749
Like I will interview you. I will have a conversation.

00:48:37.469 --> 00:48:39.229
If I do not feel the vibe.

00:48:39.969 --> 00:48:42.549
Are they going to stick to the program? Yeah. Because I'm looking for it.

00:48:42.729 --> 00:48:44.829
Is this guy going to do the work? Yep. Are you going to do the work?

00:48:44.989 --> 00:48:48.649
And are you someone who, and it's selfishly, like I want someone who's going

00:48:48.649 --> 00:48:50.669
to elevate me as a human being and vice versa.

00:48:50.869 --> 00:48:54.649
Like I'm a big believer in like that transfer, right? Like if I don't think

00:48:54.649 --> 00:48:56.169
you're good for me, because I spent

00:48:56.169 --> 00:48:59.169
a large part of my life being around people who were not good for me.

00:48:59.873 --> 00:49:03.053
I'm almost 50. Like, I'm not, I'm not doing that anymore. Right.

00:49:03.213 --> 00:49:05.693
So I want to be around people who are going to help me become better.

00:49:05.993 --> 00:49:10.193
Right. Challenge me, you know, and I want that because that's what I'm giving

00:49:10.193 --> 00:49:12.713
them. So that's all I really care about mostly.

00:49:13.853 --> 00:49:18.273
But that wasn't my focus before. Like when you're just getting started in your

00:49:18.273 --> 00:49:21.833
coaching career, man, you're just like, I'll work for free, you know,

00:49:22.013 --> 00:49:26.653
I'll do whatever. I just need, I need to learn how to do this thing that I love to do.

00:49:27.073 --> 00:49:31.553
Right. So it doesn't matter. skill doesn't matter too much to me yeah for sure

00:49:31.553 --> 00:49:36.293
i just you gotta and you gotta you gotta be flexible i would imagine well my

00:49:36.293 --> 00:49:39.093
my reason for asking was i guess i don't know here's my.

00:49:40.413 --> 00:49:43.513
Question i feel like sometimes with like people who are super talented they don't

00:49:43.513 --> 00:49:46.213
always stick to stuff because they're super talented no this is

00:49:46.213 --> 00:49:49.213
totally a generalization no i think it's sometimes they do

00:49:49.213 --> 00:49:52.273
and those guys excel right and like you get like humble people who aren't

00:49:52.273 --> 00:49:55.013
and like they do what you're talking about yep yeah like

00:49:55.013 --> 00:49:57.933
this is why i'm coming to you yeah i need help you

00:49:57.933 --> 00:50:01.353
know absolutely versus people who are don't they

00:50:01.353 --> 00:50:04.293
can just do things yep yeah it come it comes easy enough

00:50:04.293 --> 00:50:07.353
to them that when hard everything's come easy when stuff gets

00:50:07.353 --> 00:50:10.053
hard they're just like give up i'll do something else yep yeah i'll do

00:50:10.053 --> 00:50:13.193
something else i'll be good at immediately for sure you see that too like so

00:50:13.193 --> 00:50:16.213
i coach i've coached everything from like eight-year-old kids to people who

00:50:16.213 --> 00:50:20.893
ultimately were in the olympics right so pretty wide chasm like nfl like all

00:50:20.893 --> 00:50:25.293
that stuff and the people the people that usually are the most talented and

00:50:25.293 --> 00:50:29.193
you hear this a lot They're the ones who don't actually finish at the highest level.

00:50:29.513 --> 00:50:33.693
It's the ones who like can continue to grind through the boring, right?

00:50:33.933 --> 00:50:37.713
Through the struggle. Like that's who elevates to that level.

00:50:37.893 --> 00:50:39.953
It's not the super talented people.

00:50:40.173 --> 00:50:44.313
Like we were talking about my buddy Dean, who I coached, like super freak athlete,

00:50:44.853 --> 00:50:50.113
ended up going to the NFL for a little bit, wrestling WWE for, wow, 10 years.

00:50:51.473 --> 00:50:54.413
He was a great athlete. Like you have to be a great athlete.

00:50:55.129 --> 00:51:00.449
But he also was willing to do the boring work over and over and over and over again.

00:51:00.729 --> 00:51:04.109
And that's when someone's successful, right? Like getting up and still punching

00:51:04.109 --> 00:51:09.609
the clock because when you make changes, like it's not fun, right?

00:51:09.789 --> 00:51:12.909
It's just not like eating healthy all the time. Not fun.

00:51:13.389 --> 00:51:18.189
Right. Like it's just not. So you can relate.

00:51:19.449 --> 00:51:23.469
This guy's trying to gain weight. Yeah. I need to. He said that's, that's post worlds.

00:51:23.809 --> 00:51:27.429
That's, that's on the post worlds. agenda at this point. I have to make 149.

00:51:27.609 --> 00:51:31.309
You've got a lot on the weekend. He's got a lot going on. He's got a ton this year. Yeah.

00:51:31.749 --> 00:51:35.709
He's got a lot. He's got like five more things I know of. Between now and... For now.

00:51:35.949 --> 00:51:39.449
We'll see what else pops up. Between now and December. Don't get hurt between

00:51:39.449 --> 00:51:41.989
now and December, buddy. I have next weekend.

00:51:43.109 --> 00:51:46.609
Then I have the ninth. Did you have one week off before London?

00:51:47.269 --> 00:51:49.749
Or did you just go straight from... London was no weeks off.

00:51:50.089 --> 00:51:52.149
That's what I thought. Yeah, I went straight from Pans to London.

00:51:52.149 --> 00:51:53.689
It's going to be like back-to-back. man.

00:51:53.869 --> 00:51:58.589
I was home for like two days before going to lunch. So we're not getting injured is the main thing.

00:51:58.949 --> 00:52:03.409
And you're floating around like 152 153. Yeah I've been I mean I've luckily

00:52:03.409 --> 00:52:09.249
it was a little bit tougher for pans but since pans I've been like just pretty much at 150.

00:52:10.009 --> 00:52:13.069
Nice. So I've just been able well I'll probably bump back up,

00:52:13.782 --> 00:52:16.722
before next weekend and then i'll have to cut down again yeah this

00:52:16.722 --> 00:52:19.542
is like one poop but it's yeah it's like 155 it's

00:52:19.542 --> 00:52:22.622
easy yeah yeah i usually walk around 155 so

00:52:22.622 --> 00:52:29.922
once i get more food in my belly i'll be there again i was 153 yeah man yeah

00:52:29.922 --> 00:52:35.022
i thought about one time so i got down to like 156 and i did like my first worlds

00:52:35.022 --> 00:52:40.682
and uh i thought about man do i want to go down to 149 no and i'm No, I don't.

00:52:42.582 --> 00:52:46.222
I looked at 136 for a second, and I was like, that's not possible.

00:52:46.222 --> 00:52:49.302
Don't do it. Not for IVJF, man. It's just the way it is.

00:52:50.062 --> 00:52:55.822
I remember, I probably told this story before, but this was like five, six years ago.

00:52:56.422 --> 00:53:02.422
And I now walk around when I'm fed, like 66-ish, 64 to like 67.

00:53:02.802 --> 00:53:03.802
I'm like, you know, whatever.

00:53:04.762 --> 00:53:08.022
And I wasn't that big at the time. I was probably in the mid-50s,

00:53:08.162 --> 00:53:09.702
but I was kind of under 48.

00:53:09.942 --> 00:53:15.902
For no you know yeah 48.9 or whatever it's like this i think 149 was like this ceiling yeah and,

00:53:16.422 --> 00:53:19.142
i this was i was still doing the adult division at

00:53:19.142 --> 00:53:22.042
the time and me and

00:53:22.042 --> 00:53:25.002
a buddy eric r mccann if he's listening he'll remember this

00:53:25.002 --> 00:53:28.522
we were in texas it was in this i want

00:53:28.522 --> 00:53:31.282
to say it was pans it was like september is still hot as

00:53:31.282 --> 00:53:34.062
hell yeah and i'm outside like 10 minutes

00:53:34.062 --> 00:53:37.462
before i'm about be called up for my division like sprinting to

00:53:37.462 --> 00:53:40.342
me sprinting to be on weight i never

00:53:40.342 --> 00:53:43.162
miss weight yeah uh you can't you're

00:53:43.162 --> 00:53:45.802
not competing and i do it and i was

00:53:45.802 --> 00:53:49.942
like praying i was like dude like fuck this man what have i done anyways i'm

00:53:49.942 --> 00:53:54.602
drained but like i hope i'm gonna step on the scale i'll have 20 30 minutes

00:53:54.602 --> 00:53:59.822
hydrate or whatever before i actually go up there no no i was right up there

00:53:59.822 --> 00:54:04.062
my first round opponent was josh cisterna so i don't know if you guys know that if he is who he is,

00:54:04.102 --> 00:54:07.402
but he was just like top 10 in the world. And, um.

00:54:08.714 --> 00:54:10.414
And I knew that. I knew I was going in. I was going to see this is not going

00:54:10.414 --> 00:54:15.354
to be easy. So I go out there and like we tie up.

00:54:15.894 --> 00:54:19.694
And I like shoot in on a really good single. And I like lift his leg. I have the single.

00:54:20.414 --> 00:54:24.054
I'm like I have all the juice to shoot in and grab and like enter in like an attack.

00:54:24.594 --> 00:54:27.694
None of the juice to finish it. Yeah. This guy's fresh. And he's like probably

00:54:27.694 --> 00:54:28.494
nine years younger than me.

00:54:29.634 --> 00:54:31.194
Easily nine years younger than me. I'm like all right. Cool,

00:54:31.254 --> 00:54:34.294
cool, cool, cool, cool. You know fuck I got nothing. Yep. So I lose it.

00:54:34.434 --> 00:54:37.254
And I go and like we hand fight again. I go in on another one.

00:54:37.814 --> 00:54:40.954
Like get in again this time this time he's ready for it so i

00:54:40.954 --> 00:54:43.554
lift his leg again i have no juice to finish it and he

00:54:43.554 --> 00:54:46.654
just counters me right away submits me like uh 30 seconds

00:54:46.654 --> 00:54:49.534
later or whatever and i was like well that's the last time i'm doing that like i'm

00:54:49.534 --> 00:54:52.474
never doing that again yeah for i've been going up ever since yep it's

00:54:52.474 --> 00:54:55.374
the thing like you play like pick the weight that you play best

00:54:55.374 --> 00:54:58.234
that's it like in and if you're if you want to compete

00:54:58.234 --> 00:55:00.894
in a lower weight class diet down to that

00:55:00.894 --> 00:55:03.674
weight class don't cut to that weight class especially if

00:55:03.674 --> 00:55:06.434
you don't have like a 24-hour weigh in right like you're just

00:55:06.434 --> 00:55:09.474
setting yourself up if you're lucky you have 24 minutes after

00:55:09.474 --> 00:55:12.334
right if you're lucky or you're 24 seconds what

00:55:12.334 --> 00:55:15.074
happened to me and that's the thing too like you don't even know right so

00:55:15.074 --> 00:55:18.854
like you walk in like for ivjjf like you you know you go through the whole process

00:55:18.854 --> 00:55:22.374
you're like uh you know measure me blah blah blah all this stuff and then you

00:55:22.374 --> 00:55:26.134
walk into the the holding area and you don't know if it's going to be five seconds

00:55:26.134 --> 00:55:30.414
or if it's going to be 24 minutes and then if you have to rehydrate or eat something

00:55:30.414 --> 00:55:33.094
like all right i'm going to grab these gummy bears, right?

00:55:33.294 --> 00:55:36.774
And I'm going to stuff them in my mouth to try to get some sugar back into my system.

00:55:36.934 --> 00:55:39.234
And I'm going to drink some water, but I don't want to drink too much water

00:55:39.234 --> 00:55:41.494
because I got to take a, you know, and then this happens and you're like,

00:55:41.814 --> 00:55:45.114
wait a minute, now you're just creating stress right before you got to go do

00:55:45.114 --> 00:55:46.014
something stressful, right?

00:55:46.314 --> 00:55:50.334
Like you want to go into something feeling as calm as possible,

00:55:50.554 --> 00:55:53.474
right? Like as dead in your soul as you possibly can.

00:55:54.394 --> 00:55:57.454
And so that cut is just, it's a terrible idea.

00:55:58.146 --> 00:56:01.306
I ain't fucking that one up again. Yeah, I mean, yeah. That's cute,

00:56:01.346 --> 00:56:04.526
right? You learn. Oh, yeah. Yeah, that was like, that's it. Yep.

00:56:04.846 --> 00:56:08.986
I remember, like, my, the first, I did Gi Worlds, Masters Worlds.

00:56:10.646 --> 00:56:13.326
Had a really good tournament, like, first time ever.

00:56:13.586 --> 00:56:16.546
It was the first time I had competed in a long, long, long time,

00:56:16.646 --> 00:56:18.246
like, years, like, 15 years.

00:56:19.046 --> 00:56:22.066
And I ended up making my way to the final eight. And I was like,

00:56:22.126 --> 00:56:23.726
all right, cool. I felt good about that, right?

00:56:23.846 --> 00:56:31.106
And then that was as a blue belt. and then i got to worlds nogi like five months

00:56:31.106 --> 00:56:34.206
later i think it is and i'm in purple belt right,

00:56:34.826 --> 00:56:40.306
and i'm like i feel good like i feel jacked i'm strong i was athletic man the

00:56:40.306 --> 00:56:47.166
guy i pulled had won blue worlds he had blown and bogey nogi he won purple gi

00:56:47.166 --> 00:56:49.866
like he just got was a killer right and i'm like.

00:56:51.070 --> 00:56:53.910
Here we go so what happens i do

00:56:53.910 --> 00:56:56.710
a really poor job of like stand up

00:56:56.710 --> 00:56:59.830
like going for an ankle pick and he he just counters and

00:56:59.830 --> 00:57:02.790
he takes my ankle and i just remember because i

00:57:02.790 --> 00:57:05.570
didn't wrestle right so like i didn't know like

00:57:05.570 --> 00:57:08.730
the game and i'm i remember at

00:57:08.730 --> 00:57:11.490
one point i'm like this isn't so bad like and all

00:57:11.490 --> 00:57:15.390
of a sudden it's like 23 nothing and he

00:57:15.390 --> 00:57:18.190
just kept moving around me right and i learned that game like

00:57:18.190 --> 00:57:20.950
yeah get points move on get points move on i

00:57:20.950 --> 00:57:24.110
was like wow like that sucked and i

00:57:24.110 --> 00:57:27.230
was like he didn't like he tried some of me couldn't sub me so he

00:57:27.230 --> 00:57:30.010
just kept collecting points the whole time and good for him right

00:57:30.010 --> 00:57:33.370
and he ended up he ended up winning the tournament i'm scoring like 52

00:57:33.370 --> 00:57:36.410
to 3 right so he just he's good yeah he

00:57:36.410 --> 00:57:39.130
ran through guys everybody yeah and i was

00:57:39.130 --> 00:57:42.150
like all right so i don't feel so bad but man what a great like

00:57:42.150 --> 00:57:45.230
learning you learn a shit ton from that man in yeah it's

00:57:45.230 --> 00:57:48.310
not a point thing you don't know what you don't know no you

00:57:48.310 --> 00:57:52.190
don't find out yeah and that's the beautiful thing that is the beautiful thing

00:57:52.190 --> 00:57:56.190
yep if you can humble yourself to accept that if you can humble yourself to

00:57:56.190 --> 00:58:00.770
success i've tried teaching my guys to play that game because it's like all

00:58:00.770 --> 00:58:06.230
these guys too worried about getting the sub and then they lose um too.

00:58:10.929 --> 00:58:15.129
And I'm like, guys, just get to the points. We'll worry about the subs later.

00:58:15.369 --> 00:58:19.569
Yeah. Yeah, it's cool. That's good. But like, you got us four.

00:58:19.809 --> 00:58:24.449
Yeah. You can't go for the sub and put up no points. Right. And then they flip you.

00:58:24.689 --> 00:58:28.669
They get two points and you lose. Yep. Like, what's the point? Absolutely.

00:58:28.929 --> 00:58:32.749
That's the nice thing about competition is there's a lot of ways to win.

00:58:33.589 --> 00:58:38.849
Yeah. So there's a lot and really there's like two. Yeah. It's like you outscore them.

00:58:40.929 --> 00:58:44.289
Which well you outscore them you control the match,

00:58:45.789 --> 00:58:49.329
and or you submit them and it's all control the match at the end of the day

00:58:49.329 --> 00:58:53.189
it's like control the match, control the match, control the match I've won matches where it was 0-0,

00:58:53.789 --> 00:58:57.369
because I control the match to make a ref's call it was evident that I was controlling

00:58:57.369 --> 00:59:00.369
the match which isn't the best way to win I'll tell you but it sort of comes

00:59:00.369 --> 00:59:03.949
back to the same action it's like control the action, take the initiative at

00:59:03.949 --> 00:59:07.669
every moment possible, don't let the other person make it, if it's not going to be.

00:59:08.649 --> 00:59:11.529
Evident like definitive you had this many points

00:59:11.529 --> 00:59:14.869
they had less points if it's not definitive like a submission definitive is

00:59:14.869 --> 00:59:18.329
is it's definitive you call that ideal

00:59:18.329 --> 00:59:21.289
i guess but if that isn't happening if

00:59:21.289 --> 00:59:24.689
you you've got to make it as clear as possible to the referee when the referee

00:59:24.689 --> 00:59:27.629
has to raise someone's hand that you were the person attacking right and not

00:59:27.629 --> 00:59:31.489
being attacked right and that's like that's the action that the student has

00:59:31.489 --> 00:59:34.869
to take which is be on the attack be on offense like it's so crystal and like

00:59:34.869 --> 00:59:37.809
that's going to increase the likelihood that you're then going to rack up points

00:59:37.809 --> 00:59:39.049
and then you'll, you know,

00:59:39.249 --> 00:59:42.069
if that works, you get points for positions where you can submit a.

00:59:42.896 --> 00:59:45.996
So like if you get to that position, like you're, you're walking down the road

00:59:45.996 --> 00:59:49.196
toward the sub, which is the nature of what we're doing. That's the whole point of jujitsu.

00:59:49.676 --> 00:59:54.456
Um, you're getting points along the way. Yeah. So again, simple, not easy.

00:59:54.676 --> 00:59:56.976
Yeah. I think what you're saying though, kind of reminds me,

00:59:57.036 --> 01:00:01.196
you were kind of talking about this, that question early on was how do you assess

01:00:01.196 --> 01:00:04.636
like your athletes, your, your students about whether or not they're making

01:00:04.636 --> 01:00:07.856
success over time in the thing that you're trying to teach them.

01:00:08.096 --> 01:00:12.476
And I think that's like where you see it, right? So if your focus is on being,

01:00:12.696 --> 01:00:15.196
this has been a big part of what we've been talking about Saturdays,

01:00:15.236 --> 01:00:19.336
being persistent, just being persistent, just don't stop, right?

01:00:19.716 --> 01:00:24.676
So like we can teach, you know, transitions from like different takedown options,

01:00:24.676 --> 01:00:29.316
but if they're stringing them together now, and though they're not perfect, right?

01:00:29.416 --> 01:00:31.996
Like if you're in a collar tie, you do a duck under, you know,

01:00:32.276 --> 01:00:36.696
do that and take it back for single leg, even though you might not be great

01:00:36.696 --> 01:00:39.656
at them, but at least if they're starting to be like, oh, here it is.

01:00:39.956 --> 01:00:43.236
Here it is, here it is. And all of a sudden, now you've put three things together.

01:00:43.496 --> 01:00:48.096
May not be perfect, but you're at least aware of like, oh, that leg's there.

01:00:48.676 --> 01:00:52.996
Bang. I want that leg, right? Oh, I lost that leg. Well, maybe I'll put it across

01:00:52.996 --> 01:00:55.196
my lap and do a double leg. You stay active.

01:00:55.376 --> 01:00:59.556
Yeah, you just keep going, right? And that's like the competitive aspect is,

01:00:59.656 --> 01:01:00.736
like you just don't accept.

01:01:01.156 --> 01:01:04.456
And you hear that, you hear coaches say that all the time, like don't accept

01:01:04.456 --> 01:01:05.856
the position. Well, what does that mean?

01:01:07.696 --> 01:01:11.636
What does that mean? Like, go like this instead, you know, like freeze.

01:01:11.976 --> 01:01:15.856
No, it means keep moving, like keep rotating. That's what you said earlier too,

01:01:15.916 --> 01:01:18.996
but like, I think that's a really an effective point to make too,

01:01:19.096 --> 01:01:20.736
especially if you're teaching competitors.

01:01:20.916 --> 01:01:23.556
I like teaching competitors because there's just something...

01:01:23.991 --> 01:01:26.711
Educational about like the simplicity of like either when or you didn't and

01:01:26.711 --> 01:01:29.471
like and if because at least it gives you that gives you

01:01:29.471 --> 01:01:32.151
a framework for results yes you're like did this

01:01:32.151 --> 01:01:34.851
something did the things we were doing work or not work and no matter

01:01:34.851 --> 01:01:37.711
what the outcome is like there's a there's a takeaway like there's value in

01:01:37.711 --> 01:01:41.271
that big picture for someone um but like

01:01:41.271 --> 01:01:44.151
okay so we all understand that you know how long

01:01:44.151 --> 01:01:46.911
did it take us to understand that and then can we explain that to someone because like it may

01:01:46.911 --> 01:01:49.931
seem however long it took all of us to get to that yeah

01:01:49.931 --> 01:01:52.591
level of awareness might have taken us a while i think it took

01:01:52.591 --> 01:01:56.111
me too long to figure that out um and now

01:01:56.111 --> 01:01:58.671
similarly to you i i always tell my guys like you

01:01:58.671 --> 01:02:01.471
have two opponents the opponent opponent and you

01:02:01.471 --> 01:02:04.371
have a clock yeah that clock's working against you it

01:02:04.371 --> 01:02:06.231
could work against you it could work against the other guy it could be your

01:02:06.231 --> 01:02:10.671
friend or it could be your enemy and that's why we like to wrestle because it's

01:02:10.671 --> 01:02:14.171
sort of like hey there's points to someone can pull guard we know we know that's

01:02:14.171 --> 01:02:18.851
thing but like right i call it air superiority if you if you can command air

01:02:18.851 --> 01:02:21.731
superiority like Either you make them pull guard. I kind of tell people,

01:02:21.891 --> 01:02:22.871
at least they're doing the work for you.

01:02:22.971 --> 01:02:25.451
They pull guard, no problem. Right. They took themselves down.

01:02:26.314 --> 01:02:28.354
It's five from here. Fight's going to continue whether you take them down or

01:02:28.354 --> 01:02:30.894
not. But if you can have that air superiority and be like, hey,

01:02:30.994 --> 01:02:34.554
no matter, whenever two points are up for grabs in like a color wrestling or

01:02:34.554 --> 01:02:37.034
a takedown scenario, I'm going to get those two points.

01:02:37.394 --> 01:02:40.014
Get them immediately. We're winning and the clock's working against the other

01:02:40.014 --> 01:02:42.894
guy. If nothing else happens, you're up 2-0. You're going to win.

01:02:43.034 --> 01:02:45.054
Yep. Right? There's something definitive about that.

01:02:45.714 --> 01:02:49.374
But as you said, put that aside. It's like, okay, so if we do that,

01:02:49.494 --> 01:02:52.514
let's say it's a six-minute match. That takes us 35 seconds.

01:02:52.914 --> 01:02:56.214
Thumbs up. There's five and a half minutes approximately left in the match.

01:02:56.314 --> 01:03:00.094
A lot can happen are you gonna keep working because you'll get called for something

01:03:00.094 --> 01:03:02.854
they'll take those points away if you do jack shit yeah so you got to keep work

01:03:02.854 --> 01:03:06.254
yeah you got to stay on that keep that initiative of action keep action keep

01:03:06.254 --> 01:03:09.994
the action going and it's not getting someone,

01:03:10.594 --> 01:03:13.454
to understand that and then all right once they fully

01:03:13.454 --> 01:03:16.354
understand that then they'll actually begin working on how to do that right

01:03:16.354 --> 01:03:19.114
because it's not easy to do necessarily like i mean i would say the other guy

01:03:19.114 --> 01:03:21.994
gets a vote too your opponent always gets a vote so it's like

01:03:21.994 --> 01:03:24.854
all right we had this five and a half minutes left cool clocks on

01:03:24.854 --> 01:03:27.554
my side but like he's got five and a half minutes to make some shit happen so i

01:03:27.554 --> 01:03:30.954
gotta keep this dude on his heels matter work maybe literally like

01:03:30.954 --> 01:03:33.934
keep him playing defense so keep the action going keep

01:03:33.934 --> 01:03:37.174
the action going keep the action going can you continue to keep the clock as

01:03:37.174 --> 01:03:40.574
your friend or will it start to work against you yeah and so that's that's not

01:03:40.574 --> 01:03:44.314
an easy thing to explain like we all get it we gotta get that into our guys

01:03:44.314 --> 01:03:47.814
heads yeah and then if they can do that i feel like it's a really that i mean

01:03:47.814 --> 01:03:51.034
that to me it's like there's like like you said earlier like there's basic concepts

01:03:51.034 --> 01:03:53.294
for like any game this is a game.

01:03:54.122 --> 01:03:56.862
And the more you start to understand that as a person, like,

01:03:56.942 --> 01:03:59.982
you know, they understand that like whatever that light bulb moment is, they get it.

01:04:00.122 --> 01:04:03.682
And then that's when their discovery and the work begins to them actually exercise

01:04:03.682 --> 01:04:05.762
the skills to be able to continue to apply that. Right.

01:04:06.242 --> 01:04:08.622
Once they get really good at that, that person is going to be tough.

01:04:08.822 --> 01:04:10.442
Yeah, for sure. That's how you win.

01:04:10.702 --> 01:04:13.722
It is. How you win any game. I think with an athlete, like as a coach,

01:04:13.882 --> 01:04:18.742
like you want to create scenarios where you're making that part of your pedagogy,

01:04:18.942 --> 01:04:20.162
like part of your routine, right?

01:04:20.382 --> 01:04:23.482
Like you hear like Greg Souders talk about that a lot. um just

01:04:23.482 --> 01:04:26.322
like what is the what's the goal of this thing like this this

01:04:26.322 --> 01:04:30.002
tab i don't want to say task because say it

01:04:30.002 --> 01:04:33.622
task game whatever based task

01:04:33.622 --> 01:04:36.982
based game so like if the

01:04:36.982 --> 01:04:43.282
goal is to like do said thing and you communicate that in a very basic way like

01:04:43.282 --> 01:04:46.342
they can walk away from knowing like that's the thing i gotta make sure i do

01:04:46.342 --> 01:04:51.922
right so he talks about like you know getting armpits to your ribs Like if you

01:04:51.922 --> 01:04:53.862
can get here and you're on your back,

01:04:54.022 --> 01:04:57.822
like that's a better place to be than, than your armpits exposed. Right.

01:04:58.382 --> 01:05:02.222
So if you have a new person, you can walk away at least knowing that.

01:05:02.662 --> 01:05:05.342
And we also hear a lot of times, like, you know, you don't want to create back

01:05:05.342 --> 01:05:07.482
exposure, right? Like you don't want to turn away. Well, why?

01:05:07.702 --> 01:05:08.822
Like sometimes it's okay.

01:05:09.362 --> 01:05:13.722
Like it depends. There's a lot of depending. Sometimes there's a right way and

01:05:13.722 --> 01:05:16.322
a wrong way. Right. Right times and wrong times. Yeah.

01:05:16.582 --> 01:05:20.242
Right. It's, it's the timing, right? It's not the way it's the timing.

01:05:20.422 --> 01:05:23.862
Right. Sometimes it's better to go towards the person, sometimes it's better

01:05:23.862 --> 01:05:30.442
not to, so like, but you have to create those, those opportunities and make

01:05:30.442 --> 01:05:33.742
sure they can walk away feeling like I at least accomplished this thing.

01:05:34.082 --> 01:05:37.062
Cause the more you can stack like successes on top of each other,

01:05:37.202 --> 01:05:41.202
the more successful one person is going to be, but you also want to create opportunities for failure.

01:05:42.078 --> 01:05:45.238
But not just for failure's sake, but for failure to understand.

01:05:45.518 --> 01:05:49.278
Well, it's whatever gets them to learn, right? That's why I will say,

01:05:49.358 --> 01:05:53.798
Greg's taking a lot of heat on the internet or whatever.

01:05:53.918 --> 01:05:58.058
But I think there's a ton of value, even if you just kind of gave something

01:05:58.058 --> 01:06:01.238
that lots of people have been doing for years, a name. But you did.

01:06:02.818 --> 01:06:05.758
It got people thinking about it in a really valuable way.

01:06:06.758 --> 01:06:09.078
I use that system in a lot of, it's not the only way I teach,

01:06:09.178 --> 01:06:12.578
but I had been doing it for a while. but he's gotten me thinking about it more.

01:06:12.758 --> 01:06:14.278
So I'll give him credit for that. Yeah, for sure.

01:06:14.538 --> 01:06:17.138
So I think, especially with like, you get like a group of guys,

01:06:17.298 --> 01:06:20.918
call them competitors, whatever, who have a bit more knowledge. It's more than zero.

01:06:21.798 --> 01:06:24.378
That's one of the, I don't know if it's a flaw. I mean, call it what you want.

01:06:24.818 --> 01:06:28.258
I guess that's, that's the classical, like that's the argument about that style

01:06:28.258 --> 01:06:28.958
is like, all right, like.

01:06:30.087 --> 01:06:34.027
You got to give someone some sort of raw materials thing to start from to like,

01:06:34.167 --> 01:06:38.487
here's some, some, you know, make some bricks out of the, whatever you make

01:06:38.487 --> 01:06:40.287
bricks out of straw. I don't know.

01:06:40.827 --> 01:06:42.907
Other stuff. Why not? Mud and straw.

01:06:43.607 --> 01:06:47.227
It's like three little pigs, right? Yeah. Whatever, whatever it is.

01:06:47.387 --> 01:06:49.027
You got to give them something to start from. But like once,

01:06:49.127 --> 01:06:52.147
once you introduce like stuff like that, like then you just allow them to start

01:06:52.147 --> 01:06:54.247
developing the awareness on their own.

01:06:54.327 --> 01:06:56.767
Like that's valuable. Even if they are losing, like who cares?

01:06:57.127 --> 01:06:59.927
No, for sure. They're going to figure it out. and i think that like i i love

01:06:59.927 --> 01:07:04.167
his work like i i use him i would say pretty frequently like that model but

01:07:04.167 --> 01:07:08.347
that's also like being a good teacher is like what's the best tool for this

01:07:08.347 --> 01:07:14.327
situation right like there's one person uh amy who has she has an mma fight

01:07:14.327 --> 01:07:17.027
coming up you may know amy um,

01:07:17.727 --> 01:07:20.907
she's awesome but like she pushed

01:07:20.907 --> 01:07:24.247
me to change the way i teach because a

01:07:24.247 --> 01:07:28.227
lot of times i'm like super like theoretical and like esoteric and i'm like

01:07:28.227 --> 01:07:32.467
let's figure this out guys well why doesn't this work i don't know let's get

01:07:32.467 --> 01:07:37.547
in that position she's like i can't do that i'm like what do you mean you can't

01:07:37.547 --> 01:07:42.367
do that let's just explore it she's like no i need you to tell me and i was like

01:07:42.787 --> 01:07:46.927
all right that's right cool so i'm gonna tell you because that's she's communicating

01:07:46.927 --> 01:07:50.667
to me what she needs now for me to like not listen to that yeah if you were

01:07:50.667 --> 01:07:54.067
just a jerk if you're just to go well No, no, no, no. You still have to figure

01:07:54.067 --> 01:07:55.467
this out on your own. Yeah.

01:07:55.807 --> 01:07:58.287
Yeah. That's a terrible teacher. Yeah. Right.

01:07:59.247 --> 01:08:02.827
Well, that's true. You have to figure out what works best for the students that you're,

01:08:04.349 --> 01:08:07.869
In this case, a lot of the time it's clients too, like people that are paying

01:08:07.869 --> 01:08:09.489
to be here and learn from you.

01:08:09.729 --> 01:08:13.569
You need to give them whatever it is that helps them learn. And like,

01:08:13.569 --> 01:08:15.789
it's not necessarily that you have to give them what they want.

01:08:16.089 --> 01:08:21.609
Right. But you need to give them something in a package that they are able to learn. Yep. Yep.

01:08:21.969 --> 01:08:24.709
I think it's like coaching, like, or even like the strength and conditioning

01:08:24.709 --> 01:08:26.569
world or like personal trainer world, whatever.

01:08:26.989 --> 01:08:31.749
Like people get so set in like, this is my system. Or jujitsu is the same. This is my system.

01:08:32.309 --> 01:08:36.009
And this is how we do it. like you're a fool right like

01:08:36.009 --> 01:08:38.929
you need to be a great coach to have a great

01:08:38.929 --> 01:08:41.609
skill set to know when to use a hammer and when to

01:08:41.609 --> 01:08:44.449
use a screwdriver and you need to know your athletes well

01:08:44.449 --> 01:08:47.469
enough to know what they need and that should be your system

01:08:47.469 --> 01:08:50.409
your system is i'm going to employ this tool

01:08:50.409 --> 01:08:53.909
right now because this is the best tool for that person like

01:08:53.909 --> 01:08:57.329
one one of my athletes she was uh really strong

01:08:57.329 --> 01:09:00.009
and i was like and i had a frank we were just talking about

01:09:00.009 --> 01:09:04.449
this i had a real frank conversation with her i'm like you're a terrible athlete she's

01:09:04.449 --> 01:09:07.869
like what i'm like yeah you're a bad athlete very strong

01:09:07.869 --> 01:09:11.089
anybody can get strong becoming strong super

01:09:11.089 --> 01:09:13.749
easy like it's not hard to be a

01:09:13.749 --> 01:09:17.069
better athlete's really complicated right to show how

01:09:17.069 --> 01:09:20.669
you display your athleticism that's hard to do um

01:09:20.669 --> 01:09:23.709
i said but guess what we're going to do we're going to work on your athleticism

01:09:23.709 --> 01:09:29.269
because you're strong and they're like oh but i'm strong i'm like yeah that's

01:09:29.269 --> 01:09:32.749
not going to help you in this situation you're strong enough because there's

01:09:32.749 --> 01:09:36.009
also like the law of diminishing returns right like how strong do you really

01:09:36.009 --> 01:09:38.249
need to be right and this is someone who powerless.

01:09:39.489 --> 01:09:45.869
I love strength right like i weighed i weighed 192 and benched for 455 like

01:09:45.869 --> 01:09:51.109
i like strength like strength not the most important thing to be so strong that

01:09:51.109 --> 01:09:55.029
it creates limitations in other aspects of your it's an asset right like i i

01:09:55.029 --> 01:09:59.269
call it i call it a skill um i think it's a skill this This is strength-based work. For sure.

01:09:59.449 --> 01:10:02.869
For sure, right? Like you have to have it. Yeah. But it's.

01:10:04.530 --> 01:10:06.930
You don't know when to use it. Like you said, let's use a hammer and nail analogy

01:10:06.930 --> 01:10:09.670
then. It's sort of like, be strong at the right time in the right place where

01:10:09.670 --> 01:10:11.210
the other person's weak. Mm-hmm.

01:10:11.630 --> 01:10:14.770
Like, don't be strong where they're strong. Right. You can. I mean,

01:10:14.790 --> 01:10:16.250
I've done that lots of times. Mm-hmm.

01:10:16.610 --> 01:10:17.990
I'm sure we've all done that lots of times where we're like,

01:10:18.010 --> 01:10:20.130
why am I always so tired? Yeah. When I train.

01:10:21.350 --> 01:10:24.110
Alex overuses his pilot all the time. Why are you doing that,

01:10:24.210 --> 01:10:25.430
man? Yeah, why are you doing that? That's not true at all.

01:10:26.410 --> 01:10:29.390
It's a classic, like, white belt thing where you're in someone's clothes garden.

01:10:29.530 --> 01:10:32.690
You're just, like, so rigid the entire time. First, you don't know.

01:10:33.350 --> 01:10:39.110
Am I going to die? Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's because I can't don't choke me. You just get rigid.

01:10:39.350 --> 01:10:43.230
But it's like, you need to figure out what are the other... I jokingly tell

01:10:43.230 --> 01:10:46.270
guys, it's like when you played Madden and you were building a character,

01:10:46.950 --> 01:10:49.770
all of the assets you could put on them, there's other skill sets.

01:10:51.210 --> 01:10:55.370
When I run into guys stronger than me, I move more. Yes.

01:10:55.750 --> 01:10:58.770
I move around them. Yep. I'm like, hey, be strong over here and I'll be like,

01:10:58.850 --> 01:11:02.110
oh, I'm out of door them a little bit. Be strong over here, but I'm going to run around it.

01:11:02.530 --> 01:11:05.090
I'll be strong right there. For sure. When you're weak. Now,

01:11:05.170 --> 01:11:07.390
if they can bring their strength back over there, yeah, that's the name of the

01:11:07.390 --> 01:11:09.730
game. Yeah. That's what we're trying to do. Yeah.

01:11:10.390 --> 01:11:13.210
Yeah. Yeah. I was, are you familiar with like Westside Barbo?

01:11:13.510 --> 01:11:15.870
Yes. Okay. So I had a chance to go out there and train.

01:11:16.782 --> 01:11:20.602
Louis still there oh yeah yeah sweet yeah this was like 2003 okay

01:11:20.602 --> 01:11:23.542
um and he uh i remember so

01:11:23.542 --> 01:11:26.502
he so man if if you're not audience if

01:11:26.502 --> 01:11:29.302
you're not familiar like watching youtube videos of yeah west side versus the

01:11:29.302 --> 01:11:32.402
world go watch it it's legit like it that really captures

01:11:32.402 --> 01:11:35.042
like the feeling of fear like i was i was

01:11:35.042 --> 01:11:38.442
terrified like it was scary to be there like it really was louis

01:11:38.442 --> 01:11:41.082
was great um i got to

01:11:41.082 --> 01:11:44.642
spend like an entire week training in both am and pm sessions uh

01:11:44.642 --> 01:11:47.702
i spent a lot of time with him in his truck with his dog

01:11:47.702 --> 01:11:50.822
going to the waffle house or going to like a manufacturer where

01:11:50.822 --> 01:11:54.222
he was coming up with some of his inventions like the plyo swing he's

01:11:54.222 --> 01:11:57.842
the one who invented the reverse hyper too yeah yeah super like very fascinating

01:11:57.842 --> 01:12:02.602
guy fascinating guy man and like he has people who love him and people who don't

01:12:02.602 --> 01:12:08.362
right uh but he he was constantly pushing the barriers and i remember him saying

01:12:08.362 --> 01:12:11.382
to me uh we were in his truck going to uh going to dinner.

01:12:11.822 --> 01:12:14.542
And he was like all these mother you know want

01:12:14.542 --> 01:12:17.482
to talk about how smart they are he's like i don't even have a you know

01:12:17.482 --> 01:12:20.602
goddamn uh high school diploma he's like

01:12:20.602 --> 01:12:24.222
you know what i do he's like everybody wants to talk about invent stuff no nothing's

01:12:24.222 --> 01:12:27.042
invented he's like i see this idea

01:12:27.042 --> 01:12:29.742
i see that idea and i want to try to put them together and see

01:12:29.742 --> 01:12:32.722
if it makes sense and i talked to my math friend i talked to my physics friend

01:12:32.722 --> 01:12:35.582
and i run this by them and then

01:12:35.582 --> 01:12:38.462
we try and if it works we keep using it

01:12:38.462 --> 01:12:41.502
and if it doesn't work we get rid of it he's like

01:12:41.502 --> 01:12:44.402
and he's like i'm broken because i constantly am trying to

01:12:44.402 --> 01:12:48.922
like you know take these experiments right and then see if it's applicable to

01:12:48.922 --> 01:12:53.022
his other people and uh but he's right like it's it's that simple he said you

01:12:53.022 --> 01:12:58.962
know one of my favorite metaphors was like if you've got a big strong athlete

01:12:58.962 --> 01:13:02.202
who's slow make them faster, right?

01:13:02.402 --> 01:13:04.862
If you've got a slow guy who's weak, make them stronger.

01:13:05.442 --> 01:13:09.542
If you've got a guy who's weak and slow, make them stronger.

01:13:10.706 --> 01:13:13.606
That's the bones right and then if you have someone

01:13:13.606 --> 01:13:18.886
who is fast and strong he's like man you got a racehorse right like just keep

01:13:18.886 --> 01:13:23.506
elevating and like it's really like a simple model right like in jujitsu is

01:13:23.506 --> 01:13:27.766
the same way like alex alex we've rolled together i don't know how many hundreds

01:13:27.766 --> 01:13:32.286
thousands of hours at this point like i'm a lot stronger than alex a lot stronger,

01:13:33.406 --> 01:13:40.166
but he's he's a lot like more flexible than i am so like but that causes me

01:13:40.166 --> 01:13:44.706
now to try to not be as strong with him because i know i can like be strong

01:13:44.706 --> 01:13:48.446
on him and i can at least get to a position where i feel successful for until

01:13:48.446 --> 01:13:50.486
he starts being a weasel right.

01:13:51.567 --> 01:13:57.007
He's a good weasel. So like, I got my cockroach on the mat. You are. You are.

01:13:58.067 --> 01:14:03.307
Hard to submit. That's about it. That's about it. That should be your tag. You can hide anywhere.

01:14:03.707 --> 01:14:06.047
Hard to submit. But it's an interesting way to train, right?

01:14:06.127 --> 01:14:08.147
Like you said, we're sort of like, you sort of like, all right,

01:14:08.247 --> 01:14:10.247
I'm playing against the weasel now. Like, can I be weasely?

01:14:10.487 --> 01:14:13.927
Yeah. Can I like, you know, like, let's change the game a little bit. For sure.

01:14:14.287 --> 01:14:16.767
There's something to be benefited in both directions. Absolutely.

01:14:16.787 --> 01:14:20.907
Because when I don't go against him and I go against someone who is that way,

01:14:20.907 --> 01:14:24.247
i at least don't have like oh shit moment right

01:14:24.247 --> 01:14:27.047
like what do i do now oh i've been here before because i've

01:14:27.047 --> 01:14:29.907
thought about it right i've tried it i guess the

01:14:29.907 --> 01:14:32.967
key is you find those gaps right when you keep working through it i

01:14:32.967 --> 01:14:35.727
like it i i try to out ultra heavy the ultra heavies every

01:14:35.727 --> 01:14:38.787
once in a while how's that work yeah yeah yeah

01:14:38.787 --> 01:14:42.147
it's interesting but i

01:14:42.147 --> 01:14:44.987
still try one day i know one day i'll be

01:14:44.987 --> 01:14:47.847
a little while you gotta try yeah oh for sure for

01:14:47.847 --> 01:14:50.447
sure that's the fun part yeah how do i

01:14:50.447 --> 01:14:53.167
do against this big strong guy can i be strong too can i be bigger than

01:14:53.167 --> 01:14:56.187
the big strong guy yeah or can i use my strength

01:14:56.187 --> 01:14:59.327
on this little person and just dominate them that's such

01:14:59.327 --> 01:15:02.247
a good yeah how it doesn't work you know like

01:15:02.247 --> 01:15:05.907
that's the other piece like i remember uh we hoist

01:15:05.907 --> 01:15:10.147
gracie came did a seminar years ago this was like 2003 and

01:15:10.147 --> 01:15:12.907
strong at that point in my life probably the strongest i'd ever

01:15:12.907 --> 01:15:16.087
been and i remember him calling me out being like come

01:15:16.087 --> 01:15:19.167
come get inside side mount and i

01:15:19.167 --> 01:15:22.187
get on top and he's like big strong guy he's

01:15:22.187 --> 01:15:26.407
like yeah hold me down and he's

01:15:26.407 --> 01:15:30.367
like let's switch and he got and he was like fighting at that point right he

01:15:30.367 --> 01:15:37.967
was like 170 and he laid aside and i was like oh my god this is the worst feeling

01:15:37.967 --> 01:15:43.527
i've ever had like it was a spear just driving through his body through my body it's like move me.

01:15:44.437 --> 01:15:47.997
Not a chance. Couldn't move. Tried everything. I tried benching them.

01:15:48.157 --> 01:15:52.777
I tried, you know, getting to the hip and trying to at least move a little bit. Like nothing.

01:15:53.077 --> 01:15:55.877
There was nothing that was happening. And you're just humble.

01:15:57.117 --> 01:16:01.717
In a great way. All right. Let's review the November thing. Let's shout it out.

01:16:01.777 --> 01:16:02.837
Let's make that easy for our listeners.

01:16:03.297 --> 01:16:07.197
Go through that one more time. Let's talk about, you know.

01:16:07.897 --> 01:16:11.957
November 27th. The when, the why, the how. All of it. Yep.

01:16:12.437 --> 01:16:15.377
Shout it out one more time. I don't know the dates. i will say uh

01:16:15.377 --> 01:16:18.317
november 22nd about 10 a.m you're

01:16:18.317 --> 01:16:21.257
gonna be there i will be well i'm sure he'll be there i'm the

01:16:21.257 --> 01:16:23.977
face i show up i smile but it will be

01:16:23.977 --> 01:16:26.817
live streamed from capital mma's youtube uh and

01:16:26.817 --> 01:16:30.037
there will be a vod if you can't watch it live yep yep for

01:16:30.037 --> 01:16:33.417
sure and it's gonna have the women's four teams men's

01:16:33.417 --> 01:16:36.077
four teams ultimate tournament style where there will be a

01:16:36.077 --> 01:16:40.157
winner uh then there'll be three super fights um mostly

01:16:40.157 --> 01:16:42.917
all local people and the cool thing is like there's a range

01:16:42.917 --> 01:16:46.337
of athletes in this too so there will be people who uh they're

01:16:46.337 --> 01:16:49.077
on the club team at george mason uh from i can

01:16:49.077 --> 01:16:51.777
think of like from the women's division that are white belts just starting off

01:16:51.777 --> 01:16:54.997
like eight months to like men's division uh tommy kwazi

01:16:54.997 --> 01:16:58.077
or uh um quasi is going to be there so tommy

01:16:58.077 --> 01:17:03.177
just fought in um the contender series oh wow uh high level black belt like

01:17:03.177 --> 01:17:07.357
really skilled guy and probably one of the nicest human beings on the planet

01:17:07.357 --> 01:17:12.477
awesome so there's like this really cool like blend of uh skill sets and abilities

01:17:12.477 --> 01:17:15.697
i'm gonna have a taco truck doors open at 10,

01:17:16.277 --> 01:17:21.317
probably be done around like two o'clock would be my guess uh and to come and

01:17:21.317 --> 01:17:25.317
watch we want everybody to be there there's no entrance fee whatever you want

01:17:25.317 --> 01:17:26.957
to donate it'll be a qr code,

01:17:27.557 --> 01:17:31.837
we'll be able to take cash if you want probably won't be able to make too much change because most.

01:17:33.140 --> 01:17:36.120
Now um bring a hundred you're doing any hundred dollars

01:17:36.120 --> 01:17:39.100
thank you for saying that i didn't want to be the guy who said that but

01:17:39.100 --> 01:17:43.560
so i appreciate that they won't break it for you i mean it's

01:17:43.560 --> 01:17:46.800
towards men's health it goes towards movember um so

01:17:46.800 --> 01:17:50.300
the movember foundation uh so it's an international organization

01:17:50.300 --> 01:17:53.480
uh that supports men's health in various capacities so

01:17:53.480 --> 01:17:56.420
everything from like prostate cancer to mental health awareness

01:17:56.420 --> 01:17:59.400
especially like in our community like we know mental health awareness

01:17:59.400 --> 01:18:02.460
is like super important um because that's

01:18:02.460 --> 01:18:05.600
why a lot of people do jujitsu right and uh like

01:18:05.600 --> 01:18:09.060
that's also personal to me and i know to a lot of other people and um

01:18:09.060 --> 01:18:12.400
so the money goes right there i don't touch it the

01:18:12.400 --> 01:18:15.720
qr code goes right to the november account um so

01:18:15.720 --> 01:18:18.780
it direct our donations up now uh donations

01:18:18.780 --> 01:18:21.720
will go up november 1st so we only like i

01:18:21.720 --> 01:18:24.720
only open this up from november 1st to the last day in november and

01:18:24.720 --> 01:18:27.400
that's it so like the goal is to get as

01:18:27.400 --> 01:18:30.680
much money in there the last uh three years

01:18:30.680 --> 01:18:33.540
we've been right we've we haven't cracked 7 000 okay

01:18:33.540 --> 01:18:37.320
our goal is to to top 7 000 um

01:18:37.320 --> 01:18:40.380
right now like right around like 33

01:18:40.380 --> 01:18:43.280
000 since 2012 all right

01:18:43.280 --> 01:18:46.220
has been raised uh my goal in life is to crack

01:18:46.220 --> 01:18:49.000
100 000 okay um so yeah we'll see we'll see

01:18:49.000 --> 01:18:52.040
where we land but yeah it's gonna be a good time man it's just it's

01:18:52.040 --> 01:18:54.740
a good community it's a great community um it's awesome

01:18:54.740 --> 01:18:58.080
we have people from all over coming in uh we've

01:18:58.080 --> 01:19:01.280
had people who fought in bellator compete before so we've.

01:19:01.280 --> 01:19:04.320
Had a pretty wide range and it's it's always been a good good time.

01:19:04.320 --> 01:19:08.580
And uh the interest jen will be helping host too if you know beatrice yeah yeah

01:19:08.580 --> 01:19:12.740
yeah she'll be she'll be co-hosting with us okay i just got confirmation from.

01:19:12.740 --> 01:19:17.580
Her this morning breaking news breaking beatrice is in she is dude well let's

01:19:17.580 --> 01:19:21.380
hope hopefully we can help push some of those donations man yeah thank you love to do that

01:19:21.640 --> 01:19:24.300
And I'll try to get out there. I have a tournament that day that I got to, I think.

01:19:24.722 --> 01:19:28.622
In the day yeah there's a copa george

01:19:28.622 --> 01:19:31.702
mason yeah we're right from you guys right down on 23 oh

01:19:31.702 --> 01:19:34.342
perfect yeah i'll try to i'll try to pop in probably about 15 20 minutes i'd

01:19:34.342 --> 01:19:37.162
love to stop it and save it out oh please do yeah man yeah great and you

01:19:37.162 --> 01:19:40.502
guys can like my my saturday class come in anytime dude we'll make it happen

01:19:40.502 --> 01:19:46.902
it's always it's always no gee too okay yeah no none of this none of this no

01:19:46.902 --> 01:19:52.262
no pajamas no clothes no clothes are optional it's no gee so it's no It's a

01:19:52.262 --> 01:19:54.842
traditional Greek way. Whatever you want. I'll pick the oil.

01:19:56.062 --> 01:19:59.302
Alex got the, he already got the oil. I'll pick the oil? Okay, I'll save my oil.

01:20:00.382 --> 01:20:05.422
Save your land. I'm not a personal. You have a communal oil.

01:20:05.502 --> 01:20:06.962
But yeah, it's like bathed.

01:20:07.062 --> 01:20:09.922
I got my purple belt on our Sensei Diddy. I like that.

01:20:10.942 --> 01:20:16.082
Oh, pallets of it. That was not a capital. It's not. That was up in New York

01:20:16.082 --> 01:20:17.902
City. Sensei Diddy is awesome.

01:20:19.242 --> 01:20:23.742
You've been waiting to use that. he's had that one he's had that one just like

01:20:23.742 --> 01:20:28.322
locked and loaded here it comes oh Sensei Diddy there's gonna be a Diddy reference

01:20:28.322 --> 01:20:29.362
somewhere in this podcast,

01:20:30.362 --> 01:20:33.082
bide my time it's awesome so we'll get we'll get

01:20:33.082 --> 01:20:35.842
that link from you yeah we'll make sure we'll push

01:20:35.842 --> 01:20:39.462
it thank you the YouTube link as well yeah send out everything thank

01:20:39.462 --> 01:20:42.282
you really appreciate it appreciate the time and

01:20:42.282 --> 01:20:45.182
this opportunity dude had fun talking to you guys too yeah sure same here

01:20:45.182 --> 01:20:47.862
same here where can they how can they I

01:20:47.862 --> 01:20:50.682
mean you're incognito so they can't find you find me

01:20:50.682 --> 01:20:53.662
don't look for me i cannot exist he's actually not

01:20:53.662 --> 01:20:59.602
here he might not even be at the event he's gonna zoom in to mc we're gonna

01:20:59.602 --> 01:21:03.062
have a training dummy in my chair and i'll be in a remote location we still

01:21:03.062 --> 01:21:08.842
have one from covid yeah but where can they find you they can find me uh on

01:21:08.842 --> 01:21:13.342
instagram the forged performance uh so that's that's my business um.

01:21:14.904 --> 01:21:20.284
Training, coaching, teaching, nutrition stuff, all that stuff.

01:21:20.304 --> 01:21:21.624
I want to plug that too. Yeah.

01:21:21.864 --> 01:21:25.304
Well, we'll, we'll put that in the, we'll put all that in the show notes. Yeah. Thank you.

01:21:25.624 --> 01:21:29.284
And even if it's not live, we'll try to, if you have what the link's going to

01:21:29.284 --> 01:21:31.984
be, you can put all that in, even if it's not live yet.

01:21:32.124 --> 01:21:34.384
And then once it is, people can click on. That's awesome.

01:21:34.624 --> 01:21:38.304
Totally appreciate it. For sure. Get some money, money for men's health.

01:21:38.524 --> 01:21:42.424
Let's do it, man. Hell yeah. Let's do it. I got one last question here. Oh.

01:21:44.384 --> 01:21:51.604
The name of the podcast has the word coffee in it we can make coffee we have not had any coffee guys,

01:21:54.164 --> 01:21:57.904
you think I'm going to bring you in here and not feed you coffee coffee's coming,

01:21:58.364 --> 01:22:02.524
don't worry it's here you think I'm over here on my phone doing nothing I don't

01:22:02.524 --> 01:22:06.364
know man I've got coffee at the door right now I hope.

01:22:09.064 --> 01:22:12.824
I'm talking some shit if you check under your chairs there's a coffee I love

01:22:12.824 --> 01:22:15.184
coffee too. There's coffee. Yeah, check. What's up behind your ear?

01:22:16.024 --> 01:22:19.384
How did you get that coffee in there? You're like a grandpa trick.

01:22:19.644 --> 01:22:22.484
You got that with water. Beer, coffee, baby. Yeah.

01:22:23.384 --> 01:22:26.604
That's why this couch is shaking right now. I got your coffee.

01:22:28.524 --> 01:22:33.324
And some goodies. Goodies? Thank you. Some goodies? May I answer your question? Yeah. Well, yeah.

01:22:33.844 --> 01:22:36.624
Yeah. He was super stressed. I could see the beads of sweat.

01:22:37.824 --> 01:22:40.504
I thought there was going to be coffee. Are we ever going to have coffee?

01:22:40.504 --> 01:22:42.284
And we had coffee before we came.

01:22:42.424 --> 01:22:45.264
Yeah, well, I saved room for more coffee. I got you. I got you,

01:22:45.364 --> 01:22:46.644
brother. That's why you only had one.

01:22:46.884 --> 01:22:49.984
That's why I agreed to come out of this. I was like, free coffee. Free coffee.

01:22:50.264 --> 01:22:53.484
Hell yeah. Free coffee. Let's do it. Fair enough. Fair enough.

01:22:53.984 --> 01:22:57.344
Any other remarks? What other questions? Yeah, what other questions?

01:22:57.932 --> 01:23:00.552
Anything for me specifically no all right

01:23:00.552 --> 01:23:03.472
all right well i'll go ahead and uh we'll go ahead and wrap this

01:23:03.472 --> 01:23:06.292
then so that guys was oh my

01:23:06.292 --> 01:23:09.192
goodness hold on what'd you do that guys was fighters

01:23:09.192 --> 01:23:12.092
drinking coffee um you know

01:23:12.092 --> 01:23:14.852
thank you to alex and bj for

01:23:14.852 --> 01:23:18.532
coming on definitely come out and support the movember

01:23:18.532 --> 01:23:22.132
super fights on the 22nd at capital

01:23:22.132 --> 01:23:25.472
mma and lorton um and so

01:23:25.472 --> 01:23:32.352
other than that the important things some housekeeping let's make sure uh other

01:23:32.352 --> 01:23:38.532
important things that's important too go check that out but uh but um most important

01:23:38.532 --> 01:23:42.452
other than that make sure to like.

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Review, follow, subscribe, you know, download those episodes.

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Uh, the reviews are big. Those help us on the charts that gets us up to the

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algorithm, gets us in front of more eyes where people, uh, follow us at fighters

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drinking coffee on Instagram.

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Um, you can also follow Scott and I individually.

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I'm at Scott dance BJJ and me at get sudsy. You can check us out.

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You can follow what we're doing.

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We talk a lot about competing and go see the actual, the

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actual stuff about that see all the the receipts um

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and otherwise we still have some

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uh we have the discord that's in the show notes click

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on that join that uh we try to be as active

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as possible and they're working on it the more people that are

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in there the easier that is because more people will be active in there

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um and then also uh we still have some cool things coming down the pipe so with

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cruise combat which you can still check out there's a link that'll get you guys

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five dollars off with that uh but we are still there's going to be some cool

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merch coming down the line some fight kits some uh,

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some no gee kits i guess is a better way to put it but so you guys will be able

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to rep fires drinking coffee on the mats very soon so keep an eye out for that

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we'll keep you guys posted on that that was fires drinking coffee bye.