(Ep 28) Undefeated Run: AndyGames' Rise from White‑Collar Fights to Champion

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Welcome back to Fighters Drinking Coffee.

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Today, we have Andy Games here from the Behind the Camera with Andy Games podcast.

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He is a former, he had done boxing over in the UK circuit and is also a podcaster

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and I believe also game streamer.

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Is that correct, Andy? yeah so well technically a former game streamer but um

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it's still definitely a part of,

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who i am online anyway that's why i keep the andy

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games name there because i think i

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kind of credit that for getting like my start in podcasting so

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um it was definitely a big part of it that's really cool um how about we start

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off with uh your career in boxing and we'll kind of get started there what uh

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you know what kind of led you into that some of the uh different,

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aspects of boxing especially i mean a lot of our listeners are here in the u.s

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we have a few over in the uk um but a lot of our listeners are over here in

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the u.s so the difference might be you know how how the circuit is going you

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know and kind of the amateur and you went all the way up to semi-professional,

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if I remember correctly.

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So you know how that circuit differs from the one over here,

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I think would be very interesting to hear.

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So let's start off there, and then we can kind of continue on.

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Yeah, sounds good. Well, first of all, I'd just like to thank you guys for having me on the show.

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It's been an absolute pleasure. And I've been looking forward to talking about this.

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This is not something that I've kind of revisited in quite a long time.

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So I'm excited to talk to you guys about it. um so just to go back to the beginning

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it was 2017 and i was just out of like a just out of a bad relationship i was

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horribly out of shape i hadn't really done any form of exercise for,

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a number good number of years at this point and it's at

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a point where i kind of felt like i had like a bit of a new lease of life so

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i was like right okay i need to do something here that looked

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like it could be interesting that I need to get back into shape

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with something that I can like really discipline myself with and I was just

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like sitting in work one day and I just had this little bit of a light bulb

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moment where I remembered a friend of mine some months before had competed in

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a charity boxing match and I was like.

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I'm going to have a look at this and see if there's anything upcoming, like in my local area.

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So I just simply Googled it and it came up and this was the,

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this was around February time, early February, 2017.

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And there was an event to be starting, starting training in the May for the

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event to happen in the July.

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So I was like, okay, let's, uh, let's give this a go.

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Uh i didn't have any experience in combat sports at a competitive level as such

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now albeit this was white collar like charity so it was like for people who

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don't have that kind of experience,

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but i was like you know i've always kind of

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been a fan of actually doing a bit of training like through

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my dad he used to so he had like a little bit of a background when

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he was younger in terms of training and so like

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the kind of mindset's always been there like the most experience i'd had at

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this point was I trained in jiu-jitsu for about four years before from when

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I was like 14 till 18 but that was like a weekly thing just to sort of stay

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active and not something that I ever,

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chose to do but it was more I was more encouraged into it by my parents so the

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boxing was like an entirely like different thing so I got into the best shape

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of my life within that three,

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four months that I spent just training from there.

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Like I just, but like, and I don't know if this was an age thing,

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but because I definitely couldn't do it now, but I started out running 5K three times a week.

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And I was just so unfit at the time.

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It was like the worst shape I'd ever been in. And I just started running five

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K three times a week and started doing some basic light boxing work and setups

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and stuff like that, some sort of strength and conditioning kind of things.

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And I was like, um, you know, started to go quite well.

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And then I started my, uh, for the training camp for like the,

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for the event in the may and like i still wasn't in any fantastic shape but i was i was kind of.

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Ready to start a bit more ahead

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of the curve than what i was and it just

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became an addiction at this point whether

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it was to do with just the adrenaline or the

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fact it was something different or the fact that i just wasn't bad

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at it it was just something i was

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like wow this is something i feel like i could keep

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on doing for a long long time and

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so then we get to the get to

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the first the event the my first ever fight white collar

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so you're talking the headgear 16 ounce gloves um

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which looking back is like so much

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heavier than what you really realize like i genuinely

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whenever i went down in the gloves and went back up

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i was like oh my god like no this is just like having it's

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just like having two sets of bricks on your hands like oh my god like it's

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safer when you you know when you take a hit from them but um

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so i did that won my first fight um

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fight by decision and i was

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just like wow so then i signed up for the next event just because i was like

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yeah this this is awesome like i had um learned like a really good sense of

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discipline from from doing this And I got closer to my, my trainer at the time,

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my coach, he became like a good friend and.

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You know as a starting point it was just like a real good sign of things to come yeah man they uh,

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there's definitely like people that are more attuned

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to comp like competing like that you know there's there's people

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that do it and they're done after the first time but

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then you know people like yourself and i

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mean we we were this way too you do that

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first competition you might not think that that's going

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to be the route forever but you try it and

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then you're you know you're just addicted to it it's it's a

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an outlet or a feeling that some people

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need or crave and so they they continue

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to chase after that um what uh

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where'd you go after that first that first

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fight what was what was it like after that what um how

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many more i guess how many total fights did you have and

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kind of uh you know walk us through kind of

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you know that that journey yeah no problem uh but yeah of course like what you're

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saying is like 100% like there's so many people who were part of this like first

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uh training camp who were just like do you know I just want to be able to say

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I've done it I'm proud of myself for doing I've got into good shape and it was a one and done for them.

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Um probably just as many people would have said

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the opposite of what as well like myself would have just been like

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nah this is the the first of many for

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me so so this was the july of 2017

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and then there was the next event that they had in my city was um in november

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of the same year so they did events all across the uk and they'd only recently

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started doing them in northern ireland so i was like maybe in the within the

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first five events or something like that in northern ireland And, um.

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So I had like a couple of months off of training and I, um,

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let myself go again but not like to that sort of point again like to the point

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where i was kind of a little bit more conditioned that it was like easier to

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get back into shape um so i went in for my second fight again good training

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program same idea as to what i was doing before.

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And i got put in with a more difficult

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opponent this time and i i look

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back and there's so much about that fight that I actually don't remember like I

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know I got absolutely ran through in the first

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round and I was like right okay like

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got my bell rung and everything it was like I was

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kind of like right I need to kind of like gear

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up here because I do not want to lose like for me whenever

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I was like going into these fights like losing just wasn't

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an option for me and I couldn't I couldn't

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tell you why like I couldn't tell you why maybe it's just my my level

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of competitiveness that I have as a person but for me

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it was just it wasn't an option so ended up coming

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coming back and hitting winning on a split decision um

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which which was nice um so and

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after after that I just like I took I took a year off it

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like or just just under a year off it I

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we were into 2018 and I was

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like okay um I sort

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of helped my coach with a little bit behind the scenes of some

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of the events that he was doing and it

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was like yeah okay i kind of like this side of

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it but then obviously with that still being.

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Around it like you get itchy knuckles you know you just get itchy knuckles and

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i was like right okay i'll sign up for there's the same event a year later and

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this was my this was my third fight

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i signed so i signed up and it was november 2018 i again did the same,

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um same training program same coach and everything so like that aspect of familiarity

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for me and the fact that I was friends with my coach massive massive help for

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me and he even he was the one who really kind of encouraged me to come back

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and fight again um and he always had like a,

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somewhat of a soft spot for me because I um.

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Before my first fight, I was like working a nine to five and we didn't train.

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We trained like three times a week.

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Well, he was technically it was two times a week, but he put on extra sessions.

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So I ended up, it was like four or five days a week. I was actually there training

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and I was working five days a week as well. So like I would have finished in work.

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I would have went on the treadmill and work the gym and work after,

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after hours for about an hour.

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Then I would have went over to the boxing gym to do

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some extra training and then I would have like finished

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up after the session so I was

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really kind of training for three and

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a half hours after work four or

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five times a week and like I look back I

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was like there's no way in hell I could do that again like

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if I tried to even run the length of myself I

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would just like I would just feel like I'm ready to have a

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fucking heart attack you know like i ah it's

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um yeah so we hit

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uh i had the three fights and i

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went into the third fight very much kind of not in

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the best shape of my life but again like the

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conditioning is like a huge huge part of this

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um i was i

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i kind of felt comfortable going for the three rounds even

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if i was like kind of playing it safely um because

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whenever you're doing combat sports whenever you're

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competing in like a fight you sometimes have

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to change up your game plan whether it be based surrounded

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by the the person you're fighting or whether it's just a case of you thought

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you had more in the tank than you actually do and that was the the case with

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this third fight that i had and i i watched the fight back recently actually and it was um.

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Let's just say it didn't look as um as glamorous or as uh,

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technique filled as how i thought it went in

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first person competing at the time it was

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um just two overweight guys

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slugging away at each other that's really the best way

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i can describe it and it was um i mean

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i again came away with the win fairly comfortably which

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again was nice but something that

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i quite liked about this particular fight my third fight was

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the the guy that i faced he

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he ended up with this vendetta against

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me very much a friendly rivalry he was determined to get me back he was determined

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to take back a victory from me because we were both very like evenly evenly

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sized somewhat evenly skilled,

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but he just couldn't, couldn't take the loss.

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And again, totally fair, totally fair.

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Um, so that took us into 2019.

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And so I have three white collar fights on the belt at this point, all wins.

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And about maybe a few months into 2019, my coach said to me,

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he's like, so I'm leaving this current company that we're fighting under and I basically, uh,

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moving along to another one, but it also offers semi-professional.

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Would you be keen to do this? And I was like, right, I'm going to need to think

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about this because for me, it was a huge, huge step up.

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Like, and it wasn't something that I was majorly comfortable with at the time.

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I don't know why, like either, I just was a bit like, okay, this seems a little bit sort of,

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i don't know i feel like i'm out of my depth here like maybe

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call it imposter syndrome or something like i'm not

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sure at all so um so

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we're in uh 2019 at this point and again my my

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weight my fitness levels it's just yo-yoing constantly

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because like i was only going in seasons that's

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where i was like trained it was just a seasonal thing which isn't the best way

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to do it because it needs to be a lifestyle and i

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kind of didn't really take that on as well as i should so like the the discipline

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was there for while i was training but when i was not training it was oh my

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god it just sort of became it it became a mess um so we we get we get to that point and,

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my coach is like okay do you want to come and be a runner at one of the events

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and you can see the semi-professional unfold in front of you and i was like

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all right let's do that so took this like took this paid job for a night and

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you know it wasn't it was 50 quid he gave me it wasn't too bad.

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And i was kind of like making sure all the fighters needed to be

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where they were at any given point but then i got

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to watch like maybe a round or two of each of the fights and it was like it

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was good so and i think at that point i kind of realized what the problem that

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i was having with the semi-professional was and that was i thought i was out

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of my depth of it but i seen the,

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the quality of the i've seen

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the quality of some of the fights and i was like yeah i

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could do that i was like yeah the quality didn't necessarily

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match the level that it

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actually was so i was like okay that's

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um let's give this a go so again kind of rinse and repeat the cycle here at

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this point um except this time the event i signed up for was like a hybrid between

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white collar and semi-professional now i will caveat this by saying it was unlicensed semi-professional so,

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it wasn't the same in a instance where you pay for your professional license

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where you know you sort of pay an ethics figure over x number of years um helped

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by sponsorships this was just,

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kind of an at your own risk sort of thing.

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But like, we were allowed to do it.

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It wasn't illegal kind of thing,

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but that's kind of the nature of what the semi-professional was. And...

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The difference with this was this had this actually had titles so

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my first ever semi-professional fight i

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was fighting for a vacant heavyweight title

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which was like exciting and it

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was against my previous opponent from my last white collar fight same guy was

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fighting for the title and he was like i had never seen this guy train of the

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way he did it was it was next level and i was kind But I just kind of looked

00:16:58.266 --> 00:17:00.946
at him and was like, nah, I've got him.

00:17:01.106 --> 00:17:06.626
Like I've got him. And we get into that fight and I don't,

00:17:06.726 --> 00:17:13.486
I don't know what it was, but I think that there was maybe something about what

00:17:13.486 --> 00:17:18.366
was at stake versus the fact that I felt a bit freer. I didn't have the headgear,

00:17:18.446 --> 00:17:19.326
I had the smaller gloves.

00:17:20.066 --> 00:17:26.766
I felt a bit freer. and at just three rounds it just I just felt as calm as

00:17:26.766 --> 00:17:30.886
ever didn't gas out didn't get tired and I just I ended up coming home with

00:17:30.886 --> 00:17:36.806
the belt and I was at the time and that was like the,

00:17:37.426 --> 00:17:40.146
that I fell on top of the world at that point like I was like I

00:17:40.146 --> 00:17:43.046
had this belt I was like oh my god like

00:17:43.046 --> 00:17:46.486
I've like won a a championship

00:17:46.486 --> 00:17:49.486
here like whether or not it's like

00:17:49.486 --> 00:17:52.926
recognized on any bigger scale

00:17:52.926 --> 00:17:58.066
that didn't matter like it was for this division of this company this was the

00:17:58.066 --> 00:18:05.966
title and i'd won it and i was like wow this is like man it was i was kind of

00:18:05.966 --> 00:18:09.706
like the beaches at the time and i actually still have the belt as well i still

00:18:09.706 --> 00:18:10.706
have the belt which is pretty cool,

00:18:11.246 --> 00:18:16.906
it didn't make you give that back so did you uh did you end up leaving with

00:18:16.906 --> 00:18:21.406
that belt did you um did you have any other fights after that or was that kind

00:18:21.406 --> 00:18:24.806
of the end of the boxing career for you.

00:18:25.846 --> 00:18:30.266
So i ended up having two more fights after that um so

00:18:30.266 --> 00:18:33.466
the next one was that following october in 2019

00:18:33.466 --> 00:18:36.446
um but this was the sort of thing where

00:18:36.446 --> 00:18:40.786
you know the the difference between competing in the semi-professional division

00:18:40.786 --> 00:18:47.426
was that not only was i competing really in around ireland it also meant going

00:18:47.426 --> 00:18:51.166
overseas to the rest of the UK and they

00:18:51.166 --> 00:18:54.706
wanted to kind of really integrate everything so that it was like, uh,

00:18:55.046 --> 00:18:59.686
you know, a proper division, proper league sort of rankings and.

00:19:02.264 --> 00:19:07.324
I was the, what they called the Celtic heavyweight champion. And, uh,

00:19:07.464 --> 00:19:13.864
my, my next fight after that was I went over to England with my team and I was

00:19:13.864 --> 00:19:18.344
fighting in a title eliminator for what they call the four nations belt.

00:19:18.924 --> 00:19:23.304
And what that was, was England, Northern Ireland, Scotland, and Wales.

00:19:23.484 --> 00:19:27.684
So like this massive of, it was a huge event. I think there was maybe about

00:19:27.684 --> 00:19:31.364
40 to 45 fights on this one card.

00:19:32.584 --> 00:19:38.584
And like it was it was honestly probably a bit too big but it was an incredible event.

00:19:40.004 --> 00:19:45.024
And and and i think i pulled out my best performance that night i was against um,

00:19:45.684 --> 00:19:48.984
so some some fella from i think

00:19:48.984 --> 00:19:51.884
he might have been from darlington in england

00:19:51.884 --> 00:19:54.964
which is like the midlands of england uh mid mid north

00:19:54.964 --> 00:19:59.004
or something of england i think and um but

00:19:59.004 --> 00:20:03.084
like i was so nervous going into this fight because the

00:20:03.084 --> 00:20:05.824
timing of this probably couldn't have been any

00:20:05.824 --> 00:20:10.184
worse at the time because i was

00:20:10.184 --> 00:20:12.904
on holiday the week before and like i

00:20:12.904 --> 00:20:15.704
had this booked right before i knew i was going to be fighting in england um

00:20:15.704 --> 00:20:18.664
for my biggest fight yet um but like

00:20:18.664 --> 00:20:21.284
i stayed fit the entire time because i knew it was one of

00:20:21.284 --> 00:20:24.644
those things where i could get called to

00:20:24.644 --> 00:20:27.924
go for a fight at any point any place

00:20:27.924 --> 00:20:30.844
so it was like okay this is like enough motivation for

00:20:30.844 --> 00:20:33.724
me to stay fit so um but

00:20:33.724 --> 00:20:36.664
i had like a holiday booked with my girlfriend

00:20:36.664 --> 00:20:40.504
at the time and my coach was like right

00:20:40.504 --> 00:20:43.364
i'm assuming you can't cancel it so you're definitely

00:20:43.364 --> 00:20:46.904
not you know but make sure you do not have one single drink on this holiday

00:20:46.904 --> 00:20:52.724
i was like okay okay fine fine fine i get you get do and of course i did because

00:20:52.724 --> 00:20:56.224
it was on holiday and it was just like well you know i mean it's there it's

00:20:56.224 --> 00:21:01.244
free why not um but i kind of made good use of it because we were on a cruise.

00:21:02.064 --> 00:21:06.364
And i still didn't have any details of my opponent yet because they kept changing

00:21:06.364 --> 00:21:12.744
i think it was because it was that awkward heavyweight kind of size and so i

00:21:12.744 --> 00:21:16.924
um made use of the the the fitness facilities on this,

00:21:16.924 --> 00:21:20.664
on this cruise ship and doing like maybe 20,000 steps a day,

00:21:20.844 --> 00:21:23.744
running three miles every day. And it was just like, okay, I'm still fit.

00:21:23.944 --> 00:21:27.324
So I'm kind of thinking I can drink as much as I want here and I should be okay.

00:21:27.644 --> 00:21:29.904
That was the theory. That was the theory.

00:21:30.404 --> 00:21:34.604
So, and then I get the, I get the message from my coach halfway through.

00:21:34.764 --> 00:21:37.344
It's like, okay, here's the details of your opponent.

00:21:37.624 --> 00:21:43.304
He is 97 kg, which is a very light for heavyweight in boxing.

00:21:43.304 --> 00:21:47.164
I think it's, I think it's 94 kg or 92 kg.

00:21:47.384 --> 00:21:51.064
I'm not too sure. I can't really remember what the, the lower limit is.

00:21:51.344 --> 00:21:57.524
And I was about 105 kg at this point, which in pounds is about 230, something like that.

00:21:58.064 --> 00:22:01.664
So I was like kind of well into the heavyweight scale.

00:22:02.418 --> 00:22:08.158
And my opponent, the way my, the way my coach described it to me was my opponent

00:22:08.158 --> 00:22:11.098
was, he was going to be big, but very lean,

00:22:11.578 --> 00:22:16.038
like bordering on the point that he could have been an upper level cruiserweight,

00:22:16.258 --> 00:22:19.018
but he just kind of was in heavy. I was like, right. Okay.

00:22:19.158 --> 00:22:26.318
So the, I knew I kind of had to be on top. I had to be like on top of my game.

00:22:26.458 --> 00:22:28.818
I had to be bringing the best I could possibly.

00:22:29.398 --> 00:22:34.438
So then i'm backstage getting getting ready for the fight doing some part doing

00:22:34.438 --> 00:22:39.458
some pad work training just getting ready and i i couldn't say a single word

00:22:39.458 --> 00:22:41.738
because i was that nervous and then

00:22:42.158 --> 00:22:46.758
one of the fellas in my team who was kind of like assistant assistant coach

00:22:46.758 --> 00:22:50.338
as well he goes to he's like i've never seen you nervous before what is going

00:22:50.338 --> 00:22:55.278
on and then and i i think a matter i think like the whole thing of that was

00:22:55.278 --> 00:22:59.698
because i hadn't even seen my opponent at this point right so So I'm just like, okay.

00:23:00.858 --> 00:23:05.738
So we come out and so we kind of came out corner by corner.

00:23:05.938 --> 00:23:11.898
So he came out first, but we sort of ended up meeting right behind the curtain right before going out.

00:23:13.758 --> 00:23:17.738
And I see my opponent right in front of me and I'm kind of like, okay.

00:23:18.138 --> 00:23:22.118
And I kind of looked and I looked and I knew, and obviously it's not good to sort of,

00:23:22.907 --> 00:23:26.867
look at your opponent and think, yeah, I've got this guy or not.

00:23:27.067 --> 00:23:30.287
But it was one of those things where I looked at this guy and I was like,

00:23:30.387 --> 00:23:33.867
hmm, he should be, this guy should be a middleweight.

00:23:34.187 --> 00:23:38.207
You know, he should be a middleweight, but I'm not gonna, I'm not gonna judge

00:23:38.207 --> 00:23:40.007
this guy's ability because I've never seen him throw a punch.

00:23:40.387 --> 00:23:43.387
Like he could come in here. He could put me on my ass in two seconds.

00:23:43.867 --> 00:23:47.067
You know, that that's always the sort of risky take when you get into the ring.

00:23:48.747 --> 00:23:53.627
So we get in and I'm sizing them up and this guy's shorter than me. like I'm six feet tall.

00:23:53.787 --> 00:23:56.967
This guy was probably about five feet, five, nine, something like that.

00:23:58.307 --> 00:24:04.947
And he, you know, we're sizing each other up and I go in for a couple of jabs

00:24:04.947 --> 00:24:10.727
on a right hand and they don't seem to connect. And he ends up hitting me on

00:24:10.727 --> 00:24:12.227
the top of the head with a left hook.

00:24:12.327 --> 00:24:15.307
And I was like, okay, okay. That was on, that was on me. That was on me. Okay.

00:24:16.007 --> 00:24:20.487
Thankfully didn't connect fully but i was a warning sign nonetheless and my

00:24:20.487 --> 00:24:25.107
coach oh my god my coach all i remember is hear my coach shouting from the corner

00:24:25.107 --> 00:24:29.407
god damn you fucking idiot and i was like oh man please.

00:24:30.467 --> 00:24:34.407
Please don't don't be doing this right now i need to focus i don't need you

00:24:34.407 --> 00:24:43.487
um i don't need you putting me off here so but thankfully once we kind of like

00:24:43.487 --> 00:24:45.967
figured figured everything out like,

00:24:46.627 --> 00:24:50.007
like unfortunately for my opponent at the time like yeah didn't have the cardio he,

00:24:50.607 --> 00:24:53.407
I think he kind of came in unprepared is probably the best way

00:24:53.407 --> 00:24:59.327
to describe it and like no no harm to him but I just kind of got my focus in

00:24:59.327 --> 00:25:05.827
got my combinations and couple of couple of shots that I hit him with it um

00:25:05.827 --> 00:25:12.387
he just threw his head back and it was just he was on the retreat,

00:25:13.027 --> 00:25:15.907
and so yeah that was uh so i

00:25:15.907 --> 00:25:18.867
ended up coming away with the victory there so like after that point

00:25:18.867 --> 00:25:22.667
i was basically the number one contender for or

00:25:22.667 --> 00:25:26.307
one of the number one contenders for the vacant heavyweight

00:25:26.307 --> 00:25:30.567
four nations title for the whole uk um so

00:25:30.567 --> 00:25:33.247
it was my last fight of 2019 i did have

00:25:33.247 --> 00:25:37.587
another fight after that but it was just i was filling in for a white collar

00:25:37.587 --> 00:25:43.287
um just as a favor to my coach and that was like that was fun it was nice to

00:25:43.287 --> 00:25:48.447
go back to that sort of thing but it it wasn't for me really um i wanted to

00:25:48.447 --> 00:25:52.287
do more with the semi-professional but um.

00:25:53.727 --> 00:26:00.667
Unfortunately coming into 2020 covid had its way with that and um that's what

00:26:00.667 --> 00:26:04.527
kind of put an end to like the the fighting side of things which was a which

00:26:04.527 --> 00:26:08.527
is a big shame because had covid not happened And I probably still would be doing this today.

00:26:09.167 --> 00:26:13.767
Well, Andy, you got a hell of a run, it sounds like to me. Sorry,

00:26:13.887 --> 00:26:14.767
I can't hear you at all, man.

00:26:16.363 --> 00:26:20.263
Okay, my bad. I said you had one hell of a run, it sounds like to me.

00:26:20.723 --> 00:26:23.683
Oh, um, I think so, yeah.

00:26:24.023 --> 00:26:28.783
Like, I certainly learned a lot about, like, myself and discipline from it because

00:26:28.783 --> 00:26:32.823
it was, it was just something else.

00:26:32.823 --> 00:26:38.043
And I kind of learned a lot through my coach because he,

00:26:38.723 --> 00:26:43.703
there were times I thought he was the biggest fucking atoll in the world,

00:26:43.883 --> 00:26:48.743
but, like, he just wanted he knew what i was capable of and just wanted me to

00:26:48.743 --> 00:26:50.843
really live up to the potential.

00:26:52.203 --> 00:26:57.103
And like he he's seen a lot in me he's seen a lot in all of the guys and he

00:26:57.103 --> 00:26:59.023
was hard on everybody but,

00:26:59.643 --> 00:27:02.583
you know he was always he was always there for everyone

00:27:02.583 --> 00:27:05.843
too like so he was like he was very very good in

00:27:05.843 --> 00:27:08.663
that way um but i think even

00:27:08.663 --> 00:27:11.923
right now like i don't know if i could really go back because he

00:27:11.923 --> 00:27:15.643
doesn't even coach anymore like he went on to become a

00:27:15.643 --> 00:27:18.423
professional rap and cut person so now

00:27:18.423 --> 00:27:22.243
he goes all over the world doing um as

00:27:22.243 --> 00:27:25.423
like a corner man like in like the the vaseline the

00:27:25.423 --> 00:27:30.843
wrapping the hands and the cuts cut management and stuff like really really

00:27:30.843 --> 00:27:34.803
really find his feet with doing that and he's you know absolute credit to him

00:27:34.803 --> 00:27:39.383
for getting into that well yeah and that's part of his job right is to kind

00:27:39.383 --> 00:27:43.003
of be a pain in your ass to push you to your limits uh yeah,

00:27:43.703 --> 00:27:49.523
it worked too because to have four four boxing fights if i heard you correctly,

00:27:50.563 --> 00:27:56.163
undefeated and you ended as a champion that's that's a credit to him and it

00:27:56.163 --> 00:27:59.283
gave you an opportunity to test your limits.

00:28:00.474 --> 00:28:06.494
Yeah absolutely absolutely like um as i was saying about going into the semi-professional like i,

00:28:07.454 --> 00:28:14.094
that was that was a prime example of me testing my limits because i never ever

00:28:14.094 --> 00:28:17.974
saw myself doing that like there was i think right from the very start i only

00:28:17.974 --> 00:28:23.154
ever seen it as like a one and done type thing but after that i was like he

00:28:23.154 --> 00:28:26.914
kind of got the bug for it and like going into 2020.

00:28:28.314 --> 00:28:36.074
Um started training for what would have been my first title defense um in january

00:28:36.074 --> 00:28:40.574
started training for that for an event happening in march but we obviously all know what happened,

00:28:41.154 --> 00:28:45.594
in uh march 2020 um so

00:28:45.594 --> 00:28:48.514
i was training for that but like i'm actually

00:28:48.514 --> 00:28:51.694
kind of like that it turned into blessing in disguise there

00:28:51.694 --> 00:28:54.994
and because i was doing so

00:28:54.994 --> 00:28:59.574
much training and i was a bit older at this point um and

00:28:59.574 --> 00:29:02.794
i think like a lot of it had taken a toll on my

00:29:02.794 --> 00:29:06.854
body at this point now like a bear my dad was only 26

00:29:06.854 --> 00:29:10.654
at this point so i was only like only three years older but like i feel like

00:29:10.654 --> 00:29:15.374
i'd done a lot put my body through a lot in such a short period of time haven't

00:29:15.374 --> 00:29:22.134
gone from doing nothing so i was like um again i was out of shape wasn't the

00:29:22.134 --> 00:29:23.474
worst i've ever been but i was

00:29:23.554 --> 00:29:26.474
out of shape and I decided to

00:29:26.474 --> 00:29:32.514
get into weightlifting through a local gym doing like a six week program there

00:29:32.514 --> 00:29:38.154
um and then I was also training for this fight as well so I was training an

00:29:38.154 --> 00:29:46.234
hour in the morning and two hours at night for five days a week and again it was manageable to a.

00:29:51.310 --> 00:29:55.230
March 2020 i don't know how it would have been and the

00:29:55.230 --> 00:29:57.930
guy i was supposed to be fighting like i i knew the

00:29:57.930 --> 00:30:01.350
guy i was friends with the guy he would have been part of our team but

00:30:01.350 --> 00:30:06.430
because like him and i were fighting he he

00:30:06.430 --> 00:30:10.710
sort of went and trained off on his own to his own accord so this

00:30:10.710 --> 00:30:13.890
guy he is a fair bit younger than me like

00:30:13.890 --> 00:30:17.270
i think he would probably be god he'd

00:30:17.270 --> 00:30:21.170
probably only be in his mid-twenties now i think um but

00:30:21.170 --> 00:30:25.050
he had been in the amateurs since he was about no age

00:30:25.050 --> 00:30:29.190
like about eight or nine years old he had been in the amateurs and

00:30:29.190 --> 00:30:31.990
he'd had hundreds and hundreds

00:30:31.990 --> 00:30:35.170
of fights just because in the amateur circuit that was

00:30:35.170 --> 00:30:38.490
like you know you could have ended up having a fight every single week you

00:30:38.490 --> 00:30:41.330
know and he'd like you know been a multiple time champion in

00:30:41.330 --> 00:30:44.290
different different age groups different weight

00:30:44.290 --> 00:30:47.430
classes and yeah he

00:30:47.430 --> 00:30:50.910
was probably one of the most conditioned people i've

00:30:50.910 --> 00:30:59.250
ever been in a ring with he now this guy was trying to think the this guy was

00:30:59.250 --> 00:31:05.650
about 280 pounds 285 pounds and about five foot eight that they are two measurements

00:31:05.650 --> 00:31:08.910
that should not go together, you know,

00:31:09.070 --> 00:31:13.210
this guy, this guy could not run the length of himself, but.

00:31:14.095 --> 00:31:19.575
He could spar for a dozen rounds, maybe more, and not get tired.

00:31:19.895 --> 00:31:23.575
And that's kind of where I learned the whole importance of conditioning.

00:31:23.975 --> 00:31:27.655
Like, this guy's been doing this for years. It didn't matter how unfit he got,

00:31:27.775 --> 00:31:31.895
he was still able to throw hands, like, no matter what.

00:31:33.495 --> 00:31:38.995
And it's a shame that that fight never happened in the end, because it would have been good.

00:31:39.295 --> 00:31:42.015
I still look forward to it.

00:31:42.015 --> 00:31:45.375
I still, like, sort of, not look forward, i still look back and think that that

00:31:45.375 --> 00:31:49.115
could have been a good fight because i had i had more power,

00:31:49.595 --> 00:31:57.255
but this this kid had speed and precision speed and precision versus power and

00:31:57.255 --> 00:32:00.255
i could have been a it could have been a good fight it's one of those ones that

00:32:00.255 --> 00:32:04.135
even like a lot of people in our team kind of do look back and think i wonder

00:32:04.135 --> 00:32:06.215
what would have happened how that would have went down,

00:32:07.435 --> 00:32:14.675
um so the covid kind of had a say in that then it was about 18 months later to late 2021,

00:32:16.095 --> 00:32:22.315
again getting ready for another event but just because we were at that sort

00:32:22.315 --> 00:32:26.015
of really difficult point coming out of covid where everything was like still

00:32:26.015 --> 00:32:29.575
restricted but people were still unsure.

00:32:31.255 --> 00:32:34.215
We had an event all ready to go and about three weeks out

00:32:34.215 --> 00:32:37.395
it ended up getting cancelled and at that

00:32:37.395 --> 00:32:42.475
point it was like you know um everybody

00:32:42.475 --> 00:32:46.035
ended up just going like their own different ways doing their own different

00:32:46.035 --> 00:32:52.915
thing after that and it was really sad to see it go and like have like a what

00:32:52.915 --> 00:32:57.815
was a huge part of my life just kind of stop and it wasn't really a simple.

00:32:58.791 --> 00:33:01.591
Just join like a gym because there was no kind of

00:33:01.591 --> 00:33:04.551
like gyms around where I could have just went

00:33:04.551 --> 00:33:07.651
to just do some training everything was all you would have joined as

00:33:07.651 --> 00:33:10.991
a member to with the purpose of having a fight or boxer

00:33:10.991 --> 00:33:14.751
size which is exactly the opposite of what I wanted to do so that

00:33:14.751 --> 00:33:18.291
kind of brought us to like that point where I was like well I guess

00:33:18.291 --> 00:33:22.091
I'm just gonna have to find something else again and but

00:33:22.091 --> 00:33:24.991
like again it's it's one of those things like I will always

00:33:24.991 --> 00:33:28.011
look back and think man i i feel like i achieved

00:33:28.011 --> 00:33:33.531
a lot in such a short period of time doing that and like even though it was

00:33:33.531 --> 00:33:39.831
only four four years on and off it felt like such a defining moment kind of

00:33:39.831 --> 00:33:45.091
thing i think in my life especially in my 20s yeah you were a fighter like you could just say that.

00:33:45.891 --> 00:33:48.631
It's a you know it's a it's defining thing for you

00:33:48.631 --> 00:33:51.751
yeah oh absolutely like and

00:33:51.751 --> 00:33:56.771
like i know i mentioned before that it felt like it felt like um losing wasn't

00:33:56.771 --> 00:34:00.491
an option for me but like again i think that just kind of adds to it because

00:34:00.491 --> 00:34:04.671
like i just wanted the victory i wanted even though getting in the ring was

00:34:04.671 --> 00:34:09.051
an achievement in itself i feel like i i feel like i just wanted something to,

00:34:09.511 --> 00:34:12.251
show for it in the end and i i feel i

00:34:12.251 --> 00:34:15.051
feel like i didn't the only thing the only regret i have with

00:34:15.051 --> 00:34:17.991
it is not get not being able to defend my belt

00:34:17.991 --> 00:34:20.831
once so i ended up getting to keep it and still have it to this day

00:34:20.831 --> 00:34:24.151
but i um yeah i

00:34:24.151 --> 00:34:27.771
kind of have been left uh wondering what could have been especially having

00:34:27.771 --> 00:34:30.591
no defenses but i guess like the

00:34:30.591 --> 00:34:33.631
other side of that i retired undefeated so like that's another kind

00:34:33.631 --> 00:34:39.271
of uh another positive that's very positive and by the way i have this like

00:34:39.271 --> 00:34:47.811
fantasy of going to ireland or the uk and hanging out in an underground boxing

00:34:47.811 --> 00:34:50.651
fight if i to come visit. Is that something we can do?

00:34:52.656 --> 00:34:55.836
Um no i don't know how

00:34:55.836 --> 00:34:58.456
well the thing is i don't know

00:34:58.456 --> 00:35:01.236
if they i don't know if they exist but then if that's probably the heart

00:35:01.236 --> 00:35:04.236
of their charm they you know that's because that's why they're underground but um

00:35:04.236 --> 00:35:10.196
i feel like it's something that could happen 100 100 i i mean i have the connections

00:35:10.196 --> 00:35:17.876
to find out so dude you're the man let's make it happen absolutely man i like

00:35:17.876 --> 00:35:21.516
that There was something that you talked about when you were,

00:35:21.536 --> 00:35:27.236
I think it was talking about that first title fight.

00:35:27.596 --> 00:35:32.756
So you'd already beaten the guy in that kind of mentality, that confidence that

00:35:32.756 --> 00:35:34.016
you were having going into that.

00:35:34.176 --> 00:35:38.156
It's something that when we talk to a lot of fighters, it's a very common theme.

00:35:39.756 --> 00:35:43.756
Like you have to have that. uh but that

00:35:43.756 --> 00:35:46.616
mentality what do you

00:35:46.616 --> 00:35:50.176
think that there was a change in i

00:35:50.176 --> 00:35:55.836
mean you said you got into this coming off of a coming off of a breakup like

00:35:55.836 --> 00:36:01.576
all of these things um do you think that that change getting into boxing getting

00:36:01.576 --> 00:36:06.256
into fighting that you kind of like rediscovered that confidence or do you think

00:36:06.256 --> 00:36:08.896
that was something that was already there going into the sport,

00:36:09.856 --> 00:36:12.776
um i think it was probably the former i think

00:36:12.776 --> 00:36:19.296
it was something that i kind of rediscovered because i well for a start i was

00:36:19.296 --> 00:36:22.876
stepping out of my comfort zone like this was like unlike anything i'd ever

00:36:22.876 --> 00:36:27.076
done before now i i guess like i mentioned at the start like i did have a few

00:36:27.076 --> 00:36:32.656
years of jiu-jitsu experience but like the difference of that that was just like a sort of um.

00:36:33.616 --> 00:36:39.276
Community center once a week type thing run by, run by someone's dad kind of

00:36:39.276 --> 00:36:43.376
thing, you know, and that's not to discredit them because obviously they all,

00:36:43.576 --> 00:36:45.896
um, all of the staff there worked incredibly hard to get where they were,

00:36:46.056 --> 00:36:51.716
but there was no sort of, there was no view for competitive action with that.

00:36:51.856 --> 00:36:54.236
Whereas what I was doing was with a view to compete.

00:36:54.816 --> 00:36:58.676
Um, so it was like, it was already different in that. Like I was, I could have done that.

00:36:58.836 --> 00:37:01.416
Well, I could have done that once a week jujitsu. i could have done that once

00:37:01.416 --> 00:37:06.576
a week for ever i'd still be doing it now some 17 years later and,

00:37:07.236 --> 00:37:13.596
you know that would be great but i probably wouldn't really have as much to

00:37:13.596 --> 00:37:19.776
sort of show for it than what i did my short 10-year boxing but um yeah it was

00:37:19.776 --> 00:37:21.416
like totally out of my comfort zone,

00:37:21.916 --> 00:37:26.596
everybody i ever told they were like oh my god that's like um so different like

00:37:26.596 --> 00:37:29.476
they were like Like that's, that's really cool, you know, and, um.

00:37:30.676 --> 00:37:34.656
I think people were shocked at the fact that it was something I was doing that

00:37:34.656 --> 00:37:38.756
nobody ever really knew or would have associated me with.

00:37:38.976 --> 00:37:46.236
Um, but like, it definitely brought out a level of confidence that I never would

00:37:46.236 --> 00:37:47.996
have thought I'd had like previously.

00:37:49.087 --> 00:37:57.127
That's awesome, man. And then after you were done boxing, what did you do next?

00:37:57.127 --> 00:38:03.047
Was that what led into the gaming realm and all of that? Or is that something you were doing prior?

00:38:03.327 --> 00:38:08.127
Or do you think maybe the confidence you gained from boxing opened up the door

00:38:08.127 --> 00:38:12.227
to try something new like gaming, podcasting, all of that?

00:38:12.847 --> 00:38:18.447
I think in a sense, yeah. I think in a sense, um because now there was a like

00:38:18.447 --> 00:38:23.027
about another 18 month gap between the two things but um.

00:38:24.307 --> 00:38:27.527
I see between the end of 2021 and

00:38:27.527 --> 00:38:31.047
middle of 2023 i didn't really do anything i

00:38:31.047 --> 00:38:33.787
i trained a lot i went to the gym a lot i got

00:38:33.787 --> 00:38:36.587
really into weightlifting and that was that was really

00:38:36.587 --> 00:38:41.027
awesome but um I didn't

00:38:41.027 --> 00:38:44.367
really kind of do much for

00:38:44.367 --> 00:38:47.507
my confidence in some ways

00:38:47.507 --> 00:38:50.387
because I just it was just something I did it was something I enjoyed

00:38:50.387 --> 00:38:53.507
doing it was just something that was incredibly personal for me

00:38:53.507 --> 00:38:57.567
like I wasn't I wasn't training for confidence

00:38:57.567 --> 00:39:00.427
reasons I was because I didn't really have

00:39:00.427 --> 00:39:04.467
any positions that I needed to be um outwardly

00:39:04.467 --> 00:39:07.527
confident in like you know with the boxing and even podcasting

00:39:07.527 --> 00:39:10.247
what i do now um when it when it came

00:39:10.247 --> 00:39:13.007
to the streaming that was i mean

00:39:13.007 --> 00:39:15.887
i guess i could say it did it was there and it carried it

00:39:15.887 --> 00:39:19.267
into it but um because when

00:39:19.267 --> 00:39:22.507
you when you look at it like that if you're in front

00:39:22.507 --> 00:39:25.467
of um a group of people who are watching

00:39:25.467 --> 00:39:28.347
you and you're the one who you're the only person

00:39:28.347 --> 00:39:32.607
who has to use their voice um and.

00:39:32.607 --> 00:39:36.547
You know the audience all they can do is really react it's

00:39:36.547 --> 00:39:39.547
the same thing when you're like behind behind a microphone

00:39:39.547 --> 00:39:42.387
on camera doing things in

00:39:42.387 --> 00:39:45.607
one take it's there is a sort of um

00:39:45.607 --> 00:39:48.467
bit of a crossover a similarity between the two

00:39:48.467 --> 00:39:51.327
and i i think to do any of

00:39:51.327 --> 00:39:55.147
these things it does require an element of confidence

00:39:55.147 --> 00:39:58.407
whether you know you're just naturally confident

00:39:58.407 --> 00:40:02.107
or you've done something prior in

00:40:02.107 --> 00:40:04.887
front of people performed in front of people in a

00:40:04.887 --> 00:40:08.907
one take manner that you you

00:40:08.907 --> 00:40:15.347
can kind of carry into doing these things i um but like i i think the the discipline

00:40:15.347 --> 00:40:18.487
is probably the more important thing out of it uh because the confidence the

00:40:18.487 --> 00:40:24.407
discipline it sort of it gives you more purpose and drive i think to kind of

00:40:24.407 --> 00:40:26.607
do it right which is also very important,

00:40:27.860 --> 00:40:30.820
I think the confidence comes from the discipline. That's my personal take.

00:40:32.380 --> 00:40:35.320
No, I would agree. A hundred percent. Yeah.

00:40:36.140 --> 00:40:41.120
I guess while we're kind of closing up here, what, how about you walk us through

00:40:41.120 --> 00:40:46.720
your podcast, kind of what brought you to podcasting, the idea behind it, and.

00:40:47.940 --> 00:40:51.960
You know, some more in depth about your show, you know, go ahead and plug,

00:40:52.100 --> 00:40:54.620
plug your stuff, talk about your, talk about yourself, you know?

00:40:55.280 --> 00:40:58.520
Of course. Thank you. Thank you. um so yeah so

00:40:58.520 --> 00:41:01.560
um i i started i started streaming

00:41:01.560 --> 00:41:05.120
uh under andy games underscore 94 back in

00:41:05.120 --> 00:41:07.740
july 2023 and it was

00:41:07.740 --> 00:41:10.460
one of those things i like again i kind of

00:41:10.460 --> 00:41:13.240
took that confidence into doing that and i think

00:41:13.240 --> 00:41:16.920
i did it for about a year and i kind

00:41:16.920 --> 00:41:19.800
of wanted a bit of a niche and like i'd already done like a podcast with

00:41:19.800 --> 00:41:22.980
a buddy of mine it met through streaming and i was like he went

00:41:22.980 --> 00:41:25.660
on to do other things so i was like okay i've got the bug for this i want to

00:41:25.660 --> 00:41:28.360
kind of do it and the whole thing

00:41:28.360 --> 00:41:34.360
with streaming is there's somewhat of an unspoken competitive element to it

00:41:34.360 --> 00:41:39.900
now nobody's actively really competing with anybody but there's more just that

00:41:39.900 --> 00:41:45.240
sort of thought that you might be competing with because you want to retain

00:41:45.240 --> 00:41:47.920
viewership you want people to keep coming back to your streams.

00:41:48.400 --> 00:41:55.100
Um, so I decided to do the podcast. Um, and the way it started was I started

00:41:55.100 --> 00:41:58.480
interviewing other Twitch streamers who I knew, who there was like a lot of

00:41:58.480 --> 00:42:00.260
mutual viewers and mutual audience.

00:42:00.660 --> 00:42:04.260
I started interviewing them just about them and their lives and how they got

00:42:04.260 --> 00:42:07.980
into stream and just like more of their background, things that, um.

00:42:08.631 --> 00:42:13.071
Their viewers who spent all this like time watching them might not have known

00:42:13.071 --> 00:42:21.351
and in that sort of space like I did about um my first like 20 to 25 episodes

00:42:21.351 --> 00:42:25.351
were pretty much all streamer based and.

00:42:25.951 --> 00:42:29.111
Like I think kind of people loved it because I

00:42:29.111 --> 00:42:31.891
used to do it live and it helped me really kind

00:42:31.891 --> 00:42:35.431
of initially find my voice in terms of

00:42:35.431 --> 00:42:38.651
the sort of interviewer I wanted to be but like

00:42:38.651 --> 00:42:41.451
more importantly for me it was something that I knew had

00:42:41.451 --> 00:42:44.291
a lot more longevity and I just was

00:42:44.291 --> 00:42:48.291
like wow this is this is incredible so I.

00:42:48.291 --> 00:42:51.191
Took that I then started

00:42:51.191 --> 00:42:54.551
to branch out so I took it all off twitch I did it all remotely

00:42:54.551 --> 00:42:57.831
offline and started branching

00:42:57.831 --> 00:43:00.951
out into other people within creative arts or

00:43:00.951 --> 00:43:03.811
just any people with a story really and

00:43:03.811 --> 00:43:06.831
like the the whole basis for for me

00:43:06.831 --> 00:43:10.091
was i like to

00:43:10.091 --> 00:43:13.171
go back years into my teen into my teens like i remember

00:43:13.171 --> 00:43:15.991
having a conversation with a friend of mine and it was like we

00:43:15.991 --> 00:43:18.911
were out in time one day just people watching and

00:43:18.911 --> 00:43:21.611
it was like i wonder what that person's story is like i

00:43:21.611 --> 00:43:24.511
wonder what this person's story is but the thing is we're probably never

00:43:24.511 --> 00:43:27.251
gonna know because and like that's kind of what i

00:43:27.251 --> 00:43:29.991
kind of wanted to do with the podcast was to

00:43:29.991 --> 00:43:32.931
like give people a platform to

00:43:32.931 --> 00:43:35.691
share their story whether they felt like they might

00:43:35.691 --> 00:43:38.571
not have had that or i've never been given the chance

00:43:38.571 --> 00:43:42.011
to sort of thing so um and

00:43:42.011 --> 00:43:50.251
as as of this as we're speaking now we are 56 episodes in um wide variety of

00:43:50.251 --> 00:43:56.011
guests and honestly i wouldn't change a single think about it and releases every

00:43:56.011 --> 00:44:00.331
Sunday at 3 p.m. UK time which is 10 a.m.

00:44:00.531 --> 00:44:04.091
Eastern and it's only

00:44:04.091 --> 00:44:07.431
only going to keep on going yeah man

00:44:07.431 --> 00:44:13.951
that's really cool do you have where we have a we have a deadline on our end

00:44:13.951 --> 00:44:17.411
so we'd actually love to keep talking to you this you have a super interesting

00:44:17.411 --> 00:44:23.591
story but do you have anything else you want to plug any social media you know

00:44:23.591 --> 00:44:25.811
Where can people find you? How can they follow you?

00:44:26.771 --> 00:44:31.851
Yeah, of course. So you can find me on Instagram at BehindTheCameraWithAndyGames,

00:44:32.011 --> 00:44:37.431
on TikTok at BehindTheCameraPodcastAG, and Twitter at BehindTheCamPod.

00:44:38.411 --> 00:44:42.691
Guys, thank you so much for having me on the show. It's been absolutely incredible chatting to you.

00:44:42.711 --> 00:44:49.751
I know it's been a lot of just me talking the entire time, so I appreciate you

00:44:49.751 --> 00:44:51.811
just kind of letting me have it out there.

00:44:52.331 --> 00:44:55.911
It really has meant a lot, and I really do appreciate you having me on.

00:44:56.391 --> 00:44:59.431
Yeah man thanks for coming on it was uh you know thank you

00:44:59.431 --> 00:45:02.351
so much good to just have you uh telling the story it's cool

00:45:02.351 --> 00:45:05.731
too that you know let you kind of relive that um you

00:45:05.731 --> 00:45:08.531
were saying you haven't really discussed it a whole lot and it's

00:45:08.531 --> 00:45:11.251
kind of a but it's been seems like it was a really big part of your

00:45:11.251 --> 00:45:13.891
life um so you know we

00:45:13.891 --> 00:45:16.851
enjoyed being able to get that story out there it's it's cool

00:45:16.851 --> 00:45:20.151
it's always good to get these um life experiences

00:45:20.151 --> 00:45:23.491
what brings people into fighting what and what

00:45:23.491 --> 00:45:26.391
uh what they gained from it you know that's a big part of

00:45:26.391 --> 00:45:29.251
what we look for what we try to express to

00:45:29.251 --> 00:45:32.251
people through our show so uh yeah absolutely thank

00:45:32.251 --> 00:45:35.111
you for being here um you know we were glad to

00:45:35.111 --> 00:45:38.771
have you um and that was

00:45:38.771 --> 00:45:41.571
fighters drinking coffee um it was a little later on your

00:45:41.571 --> 00:45:44.371
end i assume you weren't having coffee andy but we were drinking

00:45:44.371 --> 00:45:47.291
coffee on our side uh oh i.

00:45:47.291 --> 00:45:51.011
Had i had my coffee here still it was all good you kept

00:45:51.011 --> 00:45:54.351
it with the theme i like it hot too hot too sir but

00:45:54.351 --> 00:45:57.351
yeah thank you guys i was spiders drinking coffee we will drop

00:45:57.351 --> 00:46:00.491
all of that information for where you can find andy

00:46:00.491 --> 00:46:03.931
and his podcast in the show notes uh you

00:46:03.931 --> 00:46:06.811
can also find us at fighters drinking coffee on

00:46:06.811 --> 00:46:09.971
instagram you can find scott at scott

00:46:09.971 --> 00:46:13.111
dance bjj on instagram and myself at

00:46:13.111 --> 00:46:17.911
get sudsy uh we'll have any updates regarding us the show you'll be able to

00:46:17.911 --> 00:46:21.911
find some uh we'll try to include some little tidbits from this show see if

00:46:21.911 --> 00:46:26.951
we can't get some pictures of andy with his championship belt on there um so

00:46:26.951 --> 00:46:30.931
i'll be looking i'll be coming to you for that andy i'll i'll i'll look for that picture.

00:46:31.531 --> 00:46:35.151
Uh sounds good and uh we'll have

00:46:35.151 --> 00:46:38.031
the discord in the show notes we have some cool stuff coming

00:46:38.031 --> 00:46:41.451
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00:46:41.451 --> 00:46:44.231
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00:46:44.231 --> 00:46:47.351
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00:46:50.191 --> 00:46:53.171
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00:46:53.171 --> 00:46:56.511
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00:46:56.511 --> 00:46:59.771
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00:46:59.771 --> 00:47:03.211
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00:47:03.211 --> 00:47:06.251
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00:47:06.251 --> 00:47:12.851
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00:47:16.251 --> 00:47:21.031
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00:47:21.031 --> 00:47:23.751
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