(Ep 25) Recent Events, Big Money and Taking Jiu-Jitsu Mainstream

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Welcome back to Fighters Drinking Coffee. Today, we're going to,

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it's just the two of us. We're going to talk about some stuff.

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Just the two of us. Yeah. Remember that song? Oh, I remember that song.

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Just me and you, just the two of us. Just, anyways.

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But, so we're going to talk about some current events, some stuff going on in the world of jiu-jitsu.

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And actually, so Scott, you were just at IBJJF Chicago.

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Um a whole lot of shit happened there one

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you winning yes so i mean that's cool yes we

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should talk about that um but i

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mean i know there was uh somebody died so we'll

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also talk about that um you know out of we

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won't like go we'll just go with what you

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saw sure we won't go like we won't speculate on anything

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i happened to be around there when yeah you you saw some

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stuff so we'll just kind of walk through sure of what scott saw there but um

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you know we won't like try to speculate on what happened or anything because

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we don't know we don't know what happened you know outside of what scott saw

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so like we don't know how to share what i saw but details finer details than

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what so yeah you want to be respectful of the yeah we're not going to try to guess what

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the underlying causes or if

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people are are at blame or whatever we won't we won't go that far Right.

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Scott was not involved. No.

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Yeah. I just happened to be around when some things were happening.

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Yeah. But yeah, so Scott, let's walk through your competition.

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Sure. Kind of the stuff around it.

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We'll start there. Okay. Yep. So, okay. All right. All right.

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What is today? Today's the 16th.

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Last weekend, I went back to Chicago. Chicago opened again. I did it earlier this year. Um,

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First time I, well, last time I did, I did my, my age belt weight class.

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I'm masters too. I know I don't look like it, Mike, but I am masters too.

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Um, but this, this go around, I, I, when I registered, I, I put my name down

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to masters too, you know, it's my division.

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I had a really good bracket last time, some, some tough competitive guys.

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So I was like, all right, cool. This is a good division.

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Chicago's got some, some talent, some, some good fighters, that age group.

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So let's, let's see, let's, let's run it back.

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Um no one but there was one dude who was in

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my division and then for a

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week or two or something like that after i had registered in my in m2 uh homeboy

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moved divisions so i was by myself and like eight days out or whatever whatever

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the cutoff is i forgot what it was through the ibgf but like you know approximately

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a week before they give you the notification like it's the,

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last day to move divisions, to make adjustments.

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So like go in and do your thing. So I'm looking and I'm like,

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there's no one here, no one in my bracket. So I'm like looking around thinking,

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I thought about going up a division, a weight class rather.

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And well, anyways, to summarize, I decided to go down to M1,

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just go down to one age group. And there was a dude in that bracket.

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So I'm like, all right, like there was only one guy in my bracket before.

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There's one guy in this bracket that seems to make the most sense.

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So I was like, I'll do that.

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Thankfully this guy any other thing when you have like one person in your division,

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you're i mean you gotta fight my sister lives

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in chicago it's a good make like i like going to chicago i like the

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open i like i like it's a cool city i have it just makes sense for me i'm like

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this is a good tournament for me to do so um in my head i'm like hey man like

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i hope this guy shows up like i just i don't want to go i i don't want to go

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out there and have no matches that would suck um despite everything i said about

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chicago being great and me having other reasons to go But nonetheless,

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I'm like, let's make sure there's some action.

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It's still a lot of traveling and money spent, time spent. Yeah,

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yeah, dude, for sure. Weight cut.

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Weight cut, that's right. Yeah, imagine doing all that and then,

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yeah, so that would suck. But my opponent obviously showed up,

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which is good. Appreciate that.

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Yeah, so it's no-gi. The Chicago Open is usually a two-day event.

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They do gi on Saturday, no gi on Sunday. So I was expecting that again, as usual, which it was.

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And got up there Friday, did my thing. Me and Asim are obviously staying in

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touch, talking about the weight cut and everything. Everything's going good.

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I want to say, I believe this time I was heavier and closer to the ceiling of

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my weight division, which is what you want.

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So that's, again, like I said, he and I are talking about all these little details,

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hydration, food, this, that, or the other.

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That's all going good. Saturday, normal, just kind of hang out, walk around.

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Spent some time with my sister and her family and just killed some time.

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Again, keeping an eye on my weight and stuff like that. Tracking meals, this and that.

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I was able to eat breakfast, lunch, and dinner Saturday, which is awesome. And breakfast Sunday.

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Shout out to you last time you competed it's like you know again credit to

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a seam all that worked like yeah he put you on the protocol yeah

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yeah and it worked and like i said weight was good hydration was

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good felt felt strong felt athletic felt uh fast so

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credit to all of that um match

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i get down there around like 11 my match is scheduled for like around just a

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little bit after one you know sometimes these things

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get pulled forward so like i always like to get there a little bit on the early side

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just to make sure that just in case something wild happens i'm able to warm up

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have my time between the warm-up in my first match get it

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all done everything going everything was routine in that

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regard um so yeah all

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right step out there and and you know i i looked i tried to look at

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my opponent there was no like publicly available information

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on the dude i talked to him afterwards and you know he kind

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of gave me his background his story um and i think that there was some smooth

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comp data on him but like you know smooth comp it really just tells you like

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this person competed this date they won or they lost there's really nothing

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yeah total value there It only matters if they are competing in like smooth

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comp ranks, like stuff that's on there too.

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So you might, you don't see any IBJJF stuff.

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Yeah, yeah, exactly. Exactly. So there's not, there wasn't much for me to go

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off of like analytically to get ready for the match.

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I suppose the only value in that data is to be like, hey, this guy has competed

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before. This is what his records looked like or whatever.

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But there wasn't much. Whereas I have a lot of public available data.

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So like, I think he was able to do quite a bit of research on me,

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um which he said he did after we spoke after the match we had a chance to talk and all that but,

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um so yeah we go um uh around

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one around one o'clock so they're fairly on time it was a little bit before

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the scheduled time whatever um point being there's a plan logistically worked

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out pretty well with the warm-up with everything to rehydrate nice like i said

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weight came came through good um,

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He's younger, right? He's 30. I think he just entered the Masters Division.

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So a little bit younger, no problem.

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A little bit taller, maybe a little bit bigger. Like he looked at,

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he's probably like, I don't know, three or four inches taller than me, something like that.

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Is it lightweight, right? Yes. Yes. Like a lean, kind of like tall,

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athletic, lean build. So like slightly different body type.

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But I mean, same weight class, right? And like I said, I'm basically,

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credit to Asim, I'm like topping out my weight class, right?

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That's what we want. So, um, but just like, you know, it's kind of like my first,

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like, this is the first set of data I have. And I'm like, all right, what does he look like?

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What's his body like? Let's, you know, do you look strong? He's like, whatever.

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Um, so anyways, we, you know, we, we go to the match, we go to the mat, mat eight, mat eight.

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I walk out there. Uh, we high-fiving knuckles. We hand fight a little bit.

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Dude was willing to stand up. He's so like, one of the data point that I had

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that I just thought was interesting.

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He's from Chicago, right? home turf. It's Carlson Gracie guy.

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Carlson Gracie Jr. has headquarters in Chicago and travels all over the world or whatever.

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I got one of my first belts from my blue belt from Carlson Gracie Jr.

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At his seminar back in the day at Four Seasons Martial Arts in Lexington,

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Kentucky under Mike O'Donnell, who was my coach, right? Carlson would come through

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and do seminars, promote everyone.

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So it was a Mike O'Donnell belt. Credit to Mike. Shout out to Mike, who is the man.

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We'll talk about him some other time. He's awesome. a

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wild awesome dude he's a cool dude

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to talk about but anyways um but so but I just thought

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it was like interesting like all these roads and Rodrigo Medeiros who you know

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I'm part of his team now is another Carlson Gracie guy as well so they like

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he's like they're like tight him and Carlson Gracie Jr they're all buddies and

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stuff and they've all trained together they they were like the Lions brood that

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trained under Carlson Sr who coached Vitor Belfort like these guys um Junior,

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Vitor, Rodrigo.

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Ricardo, I think it was Ricardo Almeida.

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There's like a bunch of like top tier, like OG early, like pride UFC fighters

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who are monsters, really heavy.

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And you've seen these guys were like killers back then. Well,

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that's like where, um, that's like the first branch off where like,

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they were just, everybody was welcome going hard all the time too,

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from like the original Gracie stuff.

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Like for those who don't know, like the, the different branches,

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like that was, I mean, that's, that's where they were like going after it.

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Versus, like, private lessons and everything, too. Yeah, different styles of

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jiu-jitsu. They're famously aggressive.

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Yeah, more fighter style because these guys were, like, basically bred and coached

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to be, like, competitors in different sports, right?

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Well, and he's, the pit bull is his, is that right? It's a bulldog.

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Bulldog? Yeah. Cool, right?

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But, yeah, like, famously aggressive competitive team. So I just thought it was interesting.

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I was like, oh, this guy's a Carlson Gracie guy. He's probably pretty tough. like you know

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you might even have like maybe a similar style who knows because

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i i throughout my my years of doing this i have noticed there

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are similarities when you go with carlson gracie guys it's it's just

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kind of an interesting data point um yeah so

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we lock up dude's willing to stand up i didn't know if he was in a pool didn't know what he

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was going to do there um whatever like i'm going

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to do what i'm going to do either way um we hand fight a

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little bit dude's pretty strong like he's got good grips um moves

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okay like decent stance like confident on his feet

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was willing to stand and grapple he was uh going he

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was trying to make something happen and um in the

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midst of like our hand fighting i'm able to shoot in and i get

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access to his leg single leg dragging to the ground cool all

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right so it starts off there uh we hit the mat he's able

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to establish his guard i'm in his closed guard for a second and like i said

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like a little bit longer like a longer build so he's trying to work some different

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guard setups after the match when i talked to him he said that like his guard

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is kind of like his this is his home base that's where i like to be So he was

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trying to make some stuff happen and I was just sort of like suffocating the

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guard, kind of standing like tight,

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compact, kind of moving, like almost like digging into his guard, just framed out.

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So he had nothing really to get a hold of.

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The only catch with that is I'm like pushing into his guard a little bit.

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Right. So I kind of push in and then I do end up kind of like extricating myself

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from his guard. I get out.

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Um, so I separate back. I get into like a familiar position for me, which is a knee cut.

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And again because he's longer than me as I'm in this knee cut I'm pretty compact

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and he's trying to reach over and see if he can get a hold of my neck and my

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head for like a I think like a guillotine style grip like get over my neck um,

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excuse me. And so as, as he's working to do that and I'm, I'm neutralizing that

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attempt for him to grab and pull my head down,

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I'm able to like get in real tight under hook the other side and just drive

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through for like a heavy knee cut, really close quarters to the core.

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And it's kind of pushed right through, which, uh, which I practice a lot too.

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So that was kind of like the, the, what I would say, like in summary,

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as I go through all of this,

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it was a lot of like bread and butter stuff for me which is

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cool because like i i practice these things a lot so like when

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it's nice to see the stuff

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you do all the time actually get executed well it's kind of

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you know i liked it yeah when you smoothly get through your a game essentially

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yeah yeah exactly you're just like hey like this yeah it works um but so anyways

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i drive through the guard um i pass i get into side control and i'm pretty uh

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quickly able to work into like a higher position and side control up towards his frame,

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up towards his shoulders and his upper chest and neck,

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which is also, again, where I like to be when I get through someone's guard. I'm in side control.

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And as I do that, I'm able to, like, because of the way I'm configuring and

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doing what I'm describing, I'm able to, like, push his elbows high as well, both of them.

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And so I have him in this position where I'm able to, like, pressure with my

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hip that's closest to his right arm and really push that elbow high and high

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and high, thinking I can maybe set up like a darts from that side from the hip.

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Or exploit the far side arm which my upper body is also kind of encroaching

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and driving that elbow high so think both arms are like exposed upwards is next

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there too of course and I'm putting it in a position where it's like,

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One, he's confined, he's pinned, but number two, it's tough because as he works

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for an escape, in either direction he goes to escape, he's got a threat in front

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of him. So it's like a tough position to be in.

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Initially, I am really kind of working. I'm like, maybe with my left arm,

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I can drive under, reach through, and put a ton of pressure and darts that inside

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arm that's right there. I do that all the time.

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It's kind of like, I'm going to make my students do it all the time. They're good at it too.

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He sees that. He defends that side. So then basically as that,

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uh, he, he prevents me from doing that.

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It opens up the access to the far side arm, which my, my head and my neck are

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over there kind of pressuring. Like I'm really for all intents and purposes.

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Like if I were to write this down on a piece of paper for people,

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like I'm forming like a perfect T, a perpendicular configuration with his upper

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frame, my core smashing down on like high on the chest and getting close to the chin.

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And I just walked that way. So both arms are there, but it's like,

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I'm, I'm relatively balanced. So my upper body, my neck and my right arm in

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this case can fight his far side arm. So there's like a two on one.

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He's going to deal with my head and my neck and my arm on his, his left arm.

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And on his right arm, he's got my, my left arm and my hip and my,

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my lower body putting pressure on that.

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So there's a two on one in some form to, to both limbs.

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It's a tough position to be in for him for exactly where I want to be.

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So anyway, so as he, as he closes off his right side,

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which is, like I said, is sort of like my lead off that attack i

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like it because it's just my hips i can just walk there it's very efficient

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energy wise because it's just my weight bearing down on it so i don't have to

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use a lot of like grip strength or anything to do that um and then with my other

00:14:33.571 --> 00:14:38.531
side when that opportunity gets defended which you did i was able to launch

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in and set up a head and arm on the far side,

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so i just repurposed my left arm some instead of turning down for the darse

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i'd turn it up push put some pressure on his neck now his hand is caught in

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there a little bit longer right he's He's got like a longer, he's got longer limbs.

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So like I have actually a really good bite with my head and my,

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my ear around the far side elbow to compress and set up and really leverage

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the head and arm choke on the far side.

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That's really well set up, but on the inside, like his hands kind of in the way.

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So, um, I usually approach that from, this was my instinct when I'm there.

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I was like, all right, like I was able to bring my hands in.

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Like I got like the head and arm grip, even though it's his,

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his wrist and his palms kind of jammed up in, in there. Right.

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So I have a good squeeze though I'm like you know man like I might be able to

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just kind of blast through his knuckles here keep his head and arm just squeeze

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right through and like I don't know maybe he taps to his hand getting crushed,

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maybe he taps to the arm triangle I'll just start crushing and I'm squeezing a little bit there,

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And I think to myself for a moment there, I'm like, all right,

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I can either go full clip, like hit the NOS and just drive through this head and arm.

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In hindsight, maybe I could have done that, but in the moment I was sort of

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like, you know what, I'm doing really well.

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I'm on top. He's moving around much. He's trying to like, he's working for his

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escapes and I'm able to keep him.

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As I moved across, right, by the way, I didn't describe this,

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but I had now stepped over to mount to do this as well. So I'm in mount.

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I have that head and arm. He's kind of up on his, he's moved his left side upwards

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to, um, just to keep trying to throw my weight around, but it's,

00:16:05.774 --> 00:16:08.754
it's helping me with my head and arm. And I have that configuration again, hands in there.

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So I'm in mount now and I have this. And so I'm thinking, I'm like,

00:16:11.354 --> 00:16:13.354
you know what? I can, I can hit the NOS and really squeeze this.

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I've got a lot of time to work.

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We're like maybe two minutes into the match. There's a six minute match and

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I'm working from there. And I'm like, you know what? Like, I don't need to force

00:16:21.094 --> 00:16:22.474
to this right now. Like I've got time.

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Why don't I just get like a clean submission when I see it, I've got Mount,

00:16:26.574 --> 00:16:28.854
he's trying to score my amount a couple of times and I can keep it.

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I feel really confident position. So no need to rush it.

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Um, so he's there. And, um, as I said, I'm cranking a little bit,

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but I decided to like, I let go of the arm triangle.

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I keep my, I keep the head and arm in there. I just let go of my grip and I'm

00:16:40.634 --> 00:16:43.034
like, I'll keep pressuring this. Maybe I can, maybe I can make an adjustment here.

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He kind of tilts the other way, moves that arm really more of his hand is freed

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up now. Okay. So at least that's out of the way.

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I still have like a bit of a head and arm like extension here it's kind

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of like what we drove this morning i was basically in that like mount position where

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we're on top we're we're squeezing the head and

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we're like elevating the arm yeah i don't actually have the

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head and arm um choke set

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up anymore but i have the isolation i just have the isolation so exactly so

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i'm like but i feel good i'm like all right you know what man like i'll keep

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working like i have tons of things in front of me no problem um we're there

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he keeps trying to move around uh as he should to try to escape and i just like

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i said I'm able to retain mount. I feel like I'm like, I'm in control here.

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I then just basically abandoned controlling his head. And so like my left arm,

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his head's here. My right arm's here. I've got his arm.

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So like in my frame, I've got head and arm. I just say, fuck this.

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I go over to the, I move his head out of the way and just go straight on.

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Now it's two, one, one upper body, both my arms grabbing his arm.

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And from mount, from there, I decide I'm going to attack this arm.

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I have it. I have it extended. I'm like driving my head and my frame,

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my shoulders through, pushing that arm straight.

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And because he's a little bit longer,

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I have more territory on this arm to attack. So this favors me now.

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I take my left leg I slide it across his face I extend down the elbow Invert

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an arm bar Which is another thing

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for me That I do it a lot in training So it's like right off my mount,

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Series And so it's Again like I said Bread and butter suffer me I drive in I

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have a really good grip Right like you know Just below his elbow There's a ton

00:18:17.582 --> 00:18:19.702
of pressure I'm squeezing in Taps out,

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Cool Thumbs up Success Dude tapped out just in time Arms aren't messed up You

00:18:24.902 --> 00:18:28.242
know Arm gets raised Yippee won the division. Just one match.

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Good match. Good competitor. And, you know, like I said, I was pleased just

00:18:31.642 --> 00:18:34.602
to go through and do my job, do everything textbook. It worked.

00:18:36.142 --> 00:18:37.902
We walk off the mat. We talk a little bit. I tell him, you know,

00:18:37.982 --> 00:18:41.202
hey, you know, Carlson Grace. I kind of like, you know, once, you know, we do our job.

00:18:41.282 --> 00:18:44.282
Now we can kind of bro out a little bit. Yeah, you're friends now afterwards. Yeah, yeah, we're good.

00:18:44.502 --> 00:18:47.362
Yeah, the job's over here. Yeah, good kid. You know, he's young.

00:18:47.542 --> 00:18:50.702
What he was telling me was like, he's like, he's competed before. It's been a while.

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He's trying to get like his, like get into like the run circuit,

00:18:57.402 --> 00:18:59.982
like IBGF style tournament. So he's like a little less experienced than me.

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You know, I'm talking to him, just whatever. When I'm growing out with him,

00:19:03.202 --> 00:19:06.462
we're sharing feedback, basically. We were kind of breaking down the match.

00:19:06.562 --> 00:19:09.262
He's like, what was going on with X, Y, and Z? And I was answering that,

00:19:09.322 --> 00:19:11.262
and I asked him a few questions and this and that. We're talking.

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So we walk off, and we're heading over towards the section where I'm chugging water.

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It was only about three minutes. It was a little bit less than three minutes

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for the match, but I'm sweaty still. Heart's pumping a little bit.

00:19:25.222 --> 00:19:28.142
But I'm kind of like cooling down, drinking some water, talking to him.

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We walk over near where they hand out the medals and where the podium is prior

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to hopping up on the podium.

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And so, okay, so this is where we're talking.

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And one of his teammates comes over, one of his buddies who was coaching him,

00:19:45.322 --> 00:19:46.962
is just talking, making sure he's like, you doing all right,

00:19:46.982 --> 00:19:48.062
man? Body feels good, this and that.

00:19:48.342 --> 00:19:50.622
A couple of his friends come over talking to him. And I'm talking to him too,

00:19:50.702 --> 00:19:52.702
nice guys. Everyone in Chicago is nice.

00:19:53.382 --> 00:19:55.682
That's good. It's a lot different than D.C. Yeah, it's cool.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's cool. I like Chicago. The vibe is nice there.

00:19:59.602 --> 00:20:01.782
Anyways, you know, again, like I said, match is over, everyone's just kind of

00:20:01.782 --> 00:20:04.602
chit-chatting. He's telling me he's got like dudes he knows in this area.

00:20:04.662 --> 00:20:07.462
He's like, yeah, let me know like where your gym is. I'll have my buddies.

00:20:07.582 --> 00:20:09.162
Like they're looking for places to train. I'll have them come through.

00:20:09.322 --> 00:20:11.042
You know, one of those. We're just kind of chit-chatting.

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And in the background, there's like a flurry of activity like 50 feet from us

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over kind of like on the, like the barriers where people watch.

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Yeah, like the spectator area.

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Yeah, the spectator area. And there's like a crowd of people.

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And these EMTs run it.

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And they run right by us and we're looking over like, dude, what's going on over there?

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And coincidentally, my opponent's teammate was describing the situation because

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I think he was supposed to compete against this guy who was incapacitated.

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And so the EMTs come over and he was saying, he was like, yeah,

00:20:49.382 --> 00:20:51.462
like they stopped our division because, and he's like, I came over,

00:20:51.502 --> 00:20:52.382
I coached, you know, you.

00:20:52.502 --> 00:20:54.402
He's talking to his buddy who I competed against. He's like,

00:20:54.462 --> 00:20:56.102
I was going to corner you in between my matches.

00:20:56.522 --> 00:20:59.262
I had a little bit of time off. I think I was supposed to go against this guy over here.

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And um so yeah like i said the the emts

00:21:02.882 --> 00:21:05.822
run over there's a crowd of people and um you know

00:21:05.822 --> 00:21:08.602
i wasn't gonna run over there i'm like kind of crabbed what's happening and

00:21:08.602 --> 00:21:12.642
like staring just make this make a scene yeah it's not productive well no and

00:21:12.642 --> 00:21:14.922
like no the professionals are coming in now and they need to do their thing

00:21:14.922 --> 00:21:19.322
so whatever um they're over there we're waiting around for a medal um we're

00:21:19.322 --> 00:21:23.282
just standing over by the that that area and so like i guess they're they're

00:21:23.282 --> 00:21:26.122
the emts are doing their job and they're trying to, uh,

00:21:26.762 --> 00:21:28.382
figure out what's, what's taking place.

00:21:28.722 --> 00:21:33.542
I don't know what happened, uh, on the mat. I think this individual who passed

00:21:33.542 --> 00:21:39.902
away, unfortunately, tragically, um, I, something happened in, uh, you know,

00:21:40.622 --> 00:21:43.582
maybe there were some preexisting conditions that like led to,

00:21:43.582 --> 00:21:48.302
uh, this guy, uh, having some issues. I, maybe with his heart, I don't know.

00:21:48.642 --> 00:21:52.202
But, um, so they go over there, they do that. And then like a few minutes later,

00:21:52.582 --> 00:21:55.162
one of the EMTs like very loudly is like, clear away.

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Like he like, you know, he commands the room as he has to do to like make sure there's a pathway out.

00:22:02.562 --> 00:22:07.102
And this guy's on the stretcher and they're trying to resuscitate this guy and they storm him out.

00:22:07.942 --> 00:22:10.842
And they go off, they do their thing, they take him to the ambulance.

00:22:11.762 --> 00:22:14.982
Sadly, we just found out, this was, IBGF posted this too publicly.

00:22:15.902 --> 00:22:19.642
So we're not saying anything that isn't public here. This dude passed away.

00:22:19.642 --> 00:22:23.562
Yeah and uh shortly after they i think

00:22:23.562 --> 00:22:26.422
they did say it was cardiac arrest right like

00:22:26.422 --> 00:22:29.482
that's that was what happened on on

00:22:29.482 --> 00:22:32.142
site right which i which i i don't i'm not a doctor i think

00:22:32.142 --> 00:22:35.082
that's like a generic i mean that means like the guy's it's just generic right like

00:22:35.082 --> 00:22:38.722
yeah which is you know okay fair enough um yeah

00:22:38.722 --> 00:22:41.722
so something took place and then perhaps there was there

00:22:41.722 --> 00:22:45.322
were other factors that that led to this um anyways

00:22:45.322 --> 00:22:47.982
i think when we were talking about kind of bringing this up and

00:22:47.982 --> 00:22:51.482
just like i happened to be right there um that

00:22:51.482 --> 00:22:56.602
saw what i didn't see much but i just saw there was a situation um kind of we

00:22:56.602 --> 00:23:00.782
are bringing this up around like the safety of this sport like it's it's it's

00:23:00.782 --> 00:23:05.242
an intense sport still well and like that kind of thing could happen to anyone

00:23:05.242 --> 00:23:09.522
it doesn't even have to there doesn't necessarily have to be in a like a specific

00:23:09.522 --> 00:23:11.002
event that occurred like.

00:23:11.942 --> 00:23:15.362
That shit can just happen. Like it can happen in gyms. Like I've heard a lot

00:23:15.362 --> 00:23:20.122
of stories of like from gym owners where, you know, they just had a guy,

00:23:20.122 --> 00:23:24.582
they're training, like, you know, they're on the mats and like you can just

00:23:24.582 --> 00:23:26.742
get a little overclocked or whatever.

00:23:27.002 --> 00:23:30.362
Like people have preexisting heart conditions or conditions they don't know

00:23:30.362 --> 00:23:32.662
about yet. Like I want to not to scare everyone.

00:23:33.342 --> 00:23:36.822
But like, you know, just it's, it's a thing that can occur.

00:23:36.822 --> 00:23:38.922
And like, if you're a gym owner, you should probably have an AED,

00:23:39.322 --> 00:23:44.202
like you should equip your gym with some way to at least, you know,

00:23:44.642 --> 00:23:48.022
prolong it until, until you can get the.

00:23:48.622 --> 00:23:51.482
You know, get an ambulance there, get them somewhere where they can get advanced

00:23:51.482 --> 00:23:53.222
care. So like, it's a risk.

00:23:53.542 --> 00:23:55.902
It is a risk. It's, and it's something you need, if you're, yeah,

00:23:55.982 --> 00:23:58.282
like if you're, if you're running a training environment and you know.

00:23:58.422 --> 00:24:04.682
As, as a gym owner, we've, we've, we've trained our coaches or we've had first aid, excuse me guys.

00:24:04.682 --> 00:24:08.502
Um we've had first aid um seminars or

00:24:08.502 --> 00:24:11.282
training sessions or whatever yeah cpr certifications and something like

00:24:11.282 --> 00:24:14.122
that with our staff um and they they

00:24:14.122 --> 00:24:17.762
talked about you know they talk about how important that like the that

00:24:17.762 --> 00:24:21.202
you know the first um reaction or

00:24:21.202 --> 00:24:24.102
whatever if you do it right and it's important you do it right so like go get trained

00:24:24.102 --> 00:24:27.222
on this stuff if you're listening from professionals um it

00:24:27.222 --> 00:24:30.322
can make a big difference because i want to say the average like

00:24:30.322 --> 00:24:33.102
emt response times around like three minutes or so depending

00:24:33.102 --> 00:24:35.862
on where you are i happen to be in arlington virginia there's

00:24:35.862 --> 00:24:38.622
like we're in a place where like response times a little bit more quickly because we're

00:24:38.622 --> 00:24:41.782
really close to we're centrally located hospitals yeah so

00:24:41.782 --> 00:24:44.782
thankfully we can we have a solid response time

00:24:44.782 --> 00:24:47.362
here um and and you know

00:24:47.362 --> 00:24:50.062
those dudes come in they really know what they're doing like you know you let them do

00:24:50.062 --> 00:24:53.022
their job we we've had incidents uh with the

00:24:53.022 --> 00:24:55.882
folks i mean i've been doing this almost 10 years like as an

00:24:55.882 --> 00:24:58.642
academy owner i've coached longer than that and i've met

00:24:58.642 --> 00:25:01.422
a ton of accidents or whatever but we've had things where

00:25:01.422 --> 00:25:04.922
like people have gotten faint after class or i've had folks who

00:25:04.922 --> 00:25:08.282
are diabetic who just kind of had i

00:25:08.282 --> 00:25:11.662
don't know what you call like low blood sugar or whatever and just we didn't

00:25:11.662 --> 00:25:16.122
know what happened and we've had emts to make sure everything's okay um thankfully

00:25:16.122 --> 00:25:21.262
nothing very serious happened everyone's all right but dude it's yeah like it's

00:25:21.262 --> 00:25:25.442
this is it's a high intensity it's it's nerve wracking like your central nervous

00:25:25.442 --> 00:25:27.202
system will get fluttering. Um.

00:25:27.948 --> 00:25:31.148
That has a physiological response to people, right?

00:25:31.148 --> 00:25:34.328
If you have something that you know of, like I would just say,

00:25:34.448 --> 00:25:38.108
since we're talking about this, like make other people around you aware so they

00:25:38.108 --> 00:25:43.068
know at least that they should be attentive to these things should something happen.

00:25:43.268 --> 00:25:47.028
Yeah. They can look out for like signs based on, you know, you know,

00:25:47.188 --> 00:25:52.328
your body, you know, kind of, Hey, if I start doing this, like maybe we try

00:25:52.328 --> 00:25:54.688
to back it off. You know, let's, let's break it up.

00:25:54.788 --> 00:25:57.428
Cause he, they, you might not like this. If you're diabetic,

00:25:57.768 --> 00:25:59.388
there's all kinds of different conditions. Right.

00:25:59.968 --> 00:26:03.188
Yeah, of course. Yeah. So, you know. They can be issues. Call out to,

00:26:03.328 --> 00:26:07.288
I suppose, just staying vigilant when you're in these settings. You know, you.

00:26:08.808 --> 00:26:11.728
Take care of your training partners. Take care of your training partners. Take care of yourself.

00:26:11.888 --> 00:26:15.788
Yeah. Like, if you're, like, not sure how you feel, you know,

00:26:15.868 --> 00:26:18.988
like, we all want to push ourselves. We push ourselves. We got up this morning.

00:26:19.228 --> 00:26:21.488
You got up probably, like, 4.45 in the morning or something.

00:26:21.688 --> 00:26:24.208
God only knows. Drove your ass to train at 8 a.m.

00:26:24.668 --> 00:26:27.688
I only woke up at 6 a.m. to do that but but like we're getting

00:26:27.688 --> 00:26:30.448
up we're training really hard many days

00:26:30.448 --> 00:26:33.228
of the week just like you want to push yourself you want

00:26:33.228 --> 00:26:36.788
like there's like an impulse to want to push through like the suffering um

00:26:36.788 --> 00:26:40.968
especially if you're used to pushing through it right like yeah it's even more

00:26:40.968 --> 00:26:47.828
dangerous for people who are used to going hard used to do it yeah used to like

00:26:47.828 --> 00:26:51.548
really i mean we were both talking about it on the way out we're like i think

00:26:51.548 --> 00:26:53.228
i think we need to eat dude dude.

00:26:53.448 --> 00:26:57.268
Yeah. Like you start feeling a little crazy, but like, yeah, you're right.

00:26:57.388 --> 00:26:59.988
Like, so it just, you know, Hey guys, like take care of yourselves,

00:27:00.108 --> 00:27:02.308
take care of your training partners. Like you said, um.

00:27:03.237 --> 00:27:08.597
Life is important. Yeah. It's more important than jujitsu being alive. Yes.

00:27:08.957 --> 00:27:13.097
Yes. Being alive is more important than your, that specific moment in jujitsu.

00:27:13.257 --> 00:27:18.997
Um, yeah, man, like it's, it's crazy. And you know, got to take care of yourselves out there.

00:27:19.297 --> 00:27:21.877
Um, so yeah, I mean, sad news to, to hear obviously.

00:27:22.477 --> 00:27:25.837
Um, but it's, it's good. Cause like there was a lot of,

00:27:26.057 --> 00:27:29.217
um, um like rumblings about it on

00:27:29.217 --> 00:27:33.897
there's a lot of rumblings about it like on like reddit and stuff like that

00:27:33.897 --> 00:27:37.957
and people kind of like talking about uh i mean there's probably some like there's

00:27:37.957 --> 00:27:43.077
a lot of undue shade thrown at ibjjf about it really like you know people be

00:27:43.077 --> 00:27:47.017
like oh they're they just you know they should have done better and like all

00:27:47.017 --> 00:27:48.377
this like well i don't know man like.

00:27:49.137 --> 00:27:52.577
How can i do what you can do yeah like i

00:27:52.577 --> 00:27:55.377
mean something like there was an incident a serious incident

00:27:55.377 --> 00:27:58.677
they called for an ambulance like what more do

00:27:58.677 --> 00:28:02.777
you do i other than maybe have yeah like full-on maybe

00:28:02.777 --> 00:28:08.337
have them there perhaps stage but like that's not always i don't know that's

00:28:08.337 --> 00:28:13.677
very easy to say after the fact right because it's not always plausible to have

00:28:13.677 --> 00:28:20.997
them staged to go if especially in like a city you know like they they're they

00:28:20.997 --> 00:28:22.757
got other they got other shit to do too.

00:28:22.777 --> 00:28:26.497
These guys are responding to calls all the way. I mean, Chicago's a massive city, man.

00:28:26.597 --> 00:28:34.077
A lot of the time when people have EMTs on site, it's usually an off-duty EMT

00:28:34.077 --> 00:28:38.297
that is working outside of their capacity as an EMT.

00:28:39.197 --> 00:28:44.477
They're basically moonlighting for these events, kind of doing this as a private citizen.

00:28:44.897 --> 00:28:48.137
Getting paid to do kind of like overtime work.

00:28:48.697 --> 00:28:52.857
It's just contract stuff. And they may not have the equipment that like when

00:28:52.857 --> 00:28:56.257
they're in an ambulance and they're working and they have an ambulance that's

00:28:56.257 --> 00:28:57.997
packed full of like more, um,

00:28:58.790 --> 00:29:01.550
Yeah, they're not there with their ambulance all the time. Yeah, yeah.

00:29:01.830 --> 00:29:08.470
The Virginia Open, there's a couple guys that work it. They're off-duty EMTs.

00:29:08.790 --> 00:29:12.250
Like, that's what they are. But it's not like they can just go grab you and

00:29:12.250 --> 00:29:14.530
throw you in an ambulance because the ambulance isn't there.

00:29:14.690 --> 00:29:16.710
Right. So they have to respond like any other.

00:29:17.930 --> 00:29:20.930
Yeah. Yeah, I'm with you. Yeah. So, I mean. That's wild.

00:29:21.170 --> 00:29:23.270
Yeah, it would be great. You're saying that. It would be great.

00:29:23.290 --> 00:29:27.950
But at the same time, it's not necessarily the most, like, the logistical answer.

00:29:27.950 --> 00:29:30.830
It might not be possible or whatever based on wherever

00:29:30.830 --> 00:29:34.710
they are who knows or hey maybe it is possible maybe they will do that from

00:29:34.710 --> 00:29:38.090
now on i don't i don't know and or you know it would be nice for something that's

00:29:38.090 --> 00:29:42.330
to not ever happen again of course um yeah i mean it's just possible that they

00:29:42.330 --> 00:29:48.050
had in the past the coverage that they did have has been has been sufficient you know and.

00:29:48.510 --> 00:29:51.630
You can get kind of get comfortable with

00:29:51.630 --> 00:29:54.790
that and then yeah i mean look i've never

00:29:54.790 --> 00:29:57.830
heard of something like this happening before at a jiu-jitsu tournament i

00:29:57.830 --> 00:30:00.750
mean accidents are pretty common i

00:30:00.750 --> 00:30:03.730
just accidents is such a general word but like things happen in

00:30:03.730 --> 00:30:06.490
tournaments and so uh yeah stuff happens i think

00:30:06.490 --> 00:30:09.330
like there's an expectation that you have to have

00:30:09.330 --> 00:30:12.310
medical professionals there in some capacity but yeah like to this

00:30:12.310 --> 00:30:15.590
extent like you said this is an extreme extent a loss

00:30:15.590 --> 00:30:19.090
of a life um yeah i well anyways

00:30:19.090 --> 00:30:22.210
yeah yeah well we're sorry we're sorry

00:30:22.210 --> 00:30:25.170
we're unfortunate our thoughts our prayers to

00:30:25.170 --> 00:30:28.570
the families and people impacted by this of course sad news

00:30:28.570 --> 00:30:32.050
uh but uh yeah so anyways tournament

00:30:32.050 --> 00:30:37.810
ends got the medal uh ate some food came back sick what was uh what was your

00:30:37.810 --> 00:30:40.890
oh it was your favorite yeah i want that post-fight meal man all right all right

00:30:40.890 --> 00:30:47.070
so the place i was staying at um happened to be like walking distance to my

00:30:47.070 --> 00:30:49.930
favorite cheeseburger place in Chicago. Oh, yeah.

00:30:50.210 --> 00:30:53.510
Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. It's this place called Small Cheval.

00:30:53.750 --> 00:30:59.890
And if you are from or aware of the Chicago area, it's like a famous burger

00:30:59.890 --> 00:31:01.850
place. There's a restaurant called Au Cheval.

00:31:02.860 --> 00:31:06.340
Chival i think is horse in french sure i

00:31:06.340 --> 00:31:09.400
think it is we'll roll with it whatever um because at

00:31:09.400 --> 00:31:12.160
first in my head i was like isn't that with cheese i think oh is like with and

00:31:12.160 --> 00:31:15.680
then i should i've been taking duolingo french for a while i should know this

00:31:15.680 --> 00:31:20.000
but it's like chival is horse whatever well yeah because uh but in my head i

00:31:20.000 --> 00:31:25.060
was like chevalier would be it's like it's i think that's like cavalier yeah

00:31:25.060 --> 00:31:29.320
chival is horse yeah shout out to duolingo go with it um believe us but,

00:31:29.820 --> 00:31:33.360
I think it means with cheese, but cheese is fromage.

00:31:33.820 --> 00:31:37.360
Whatever. So it's not with cheese. It's like something involving horses.

00:31:37.600 --> 00:31:38.860
Oh, no. Was this horse burgers?

00:31:39.160 --> 00:31:43.320
I don't. Yo, you eat horse meat? You eat the jack, bro? That'd be kind of nice,

00:31:43.380 --> 00:31:45.440
right? Thoroughbred meat? Yeah.

00:31:47.420 --> 00:31:51.520
Natural TRT. I like that. So I ran over there.

00:31:51.720 --> 00:31:54.720
This is like around like three or four in the afternoon. I mean,

00:31:54.840 --> 00:31:58.280
I had like some eggs that morning. I think a little bit of meat, but I needed to eat.

00:31:58.760 --> 00:32:02.160
So I went down there and hammered a boiga a boiga,

00:32:02.660 --> 00:32:07.380
you what I like about what so okay so Ocheval is a name it's an actual sit down

00:32:07.380 --> 00:32:10.080
restaurant which the burger on the menu is the famous burger and they got so

00:32:10.080 --> 00:32:14.240
famous for the burger they opened like at least one like small burger only shop

00:32:14.240 --> 00:32:17.060
the one I go to that I know of was right by my,

00:32:17.560 --> 00:32:20.960
hotel it's called Small Cheval so there's the Ocheval and they have the Small Cheval

00:32:21.400 --> 00:32:23.960
I don't know how many locations I have but this is the one that I've gone to

00:32:23.960 --> 00:32:27.900
a bunch of times I run down there they do like a basic like almost like

00:32:28.280 --> 00:32:31.760
it's smash burger s it isn't a smash burger get

00:32:31.760 --> 00:32:34.540
a double cheeseburger um they have like a house sauce which is

00:32:34.540 --> 00:32:37.340
obviously awesome good just a straight up american

00:32:37.340 --> 00:32:42.680
cheese nice bun dude i of course add bacon uh they have like a you can you can

00:32:42.680 --> 00:32:45.980
go it comes to pickles love pickles on a burger i don't need a lot of shit on

00:32:45.980 --> 00:32:49.800
a burger like pickles cheese good sauce some bacon that's all you really need

00:32:49.800 --> 00:32:55.480
oh yeah i hammer that thing um and then i had some slices dude i ate some pizza chicago south,

00:32:56.198 --> 00:33:00.418
Yeah. Bar pie? Chicago bar pie? Like tavern style? Or did you get deep dish?

00:33:00.438 --> 00:33:03.498
No, it's a thick deep dish. Deep dish? Yeah, like the gluttonous.

00:33:04.138 --> 00:33:07.198
Yeah. Yeah, I went hard. It's lasagna on crust. Correct. Yeah.

00:33:07.498 --> 00:33:09.578
Yeah. It was awesome. Which spot?

00:33:11.878 --> 00:33:15.778
Lou Malnati's. Okay, yeah. That's another famous local one. That's like,

00:33:15.858 --> 00:33:19.698
I always can rely on Lou Malnati's. Well, now we know where we go in Chicago.

00:33:20.058 --> 00:33:22.918
Dude, there you go. That's Chicago post-flight meals right there.

00:33:23.078 --> 00:33:26.678
Lou Malnati, by the way, is a little bit similar to it. It's like so similar to Illuminati.

00:33:27.298 --> 00:33:29.958
Ooh. I think about it every time. Ooh, is there? Order it, order it.

00:33:29.958 --> 00:33:32.798
Do you think there's some like- I don't know, dude, maybe. Is there a secret

00:33:32.798 --> 00:33:33.798
back room? Could be, dude.

00:33:34.038 --> 00:33:36.538
Chicago's like a famous like politics city, dude. Like it's- Well,

00:33:36.578 --> 00:33:38.818
and like- You know, there's a lot of power brokers in Chicago.

00:33:38.958 --> 00:33:40.418
That's where Obama came out. Yeah, like the White City.

00:33:41.358 --> 00:33:44.058
Oh, yeah. The White City shit. Oh, yeah, dude. Yeah, that guy.

00:33:44.278 --> 00:33:45.238
He's got a dark edge. He's got a hotel.

00:33:46.158 --> 00:33:49.878
So maybe there's like some Illuminati ties to Illuminati's. A few years after.

00:33:50.018 --> 00:33:52.518
I mean, I'm sure somewhere, somewhere- ever apprehended.

00:33:52.698 --> 00:33:55.998
Somewhere on the internet, people will tell you like, it could be like a loose

00:33:55.998 --> 00:34:00.318
conspiracy theory around like making you fat and unhealthy because you probably

00:34:00.318 --> 00:34:04.418
should be. Blue Malinatis is the only developed the food pyramid. Yeah, exactly.

00:34:05.358 --> 00:34:07.838
But yeah, so smash some Blue Malinatis at.

00:34:08.910 --> 00:34:12.450
Luminati if you're doing it you're doing a good job at least at least i'll give

00:34:12.450 --> 00:34:15.710
him credit for that like well you know they got italian plain sight yeah they're

00:34:15.710 --> 00:34:16.850
hiding in plain sight like

00:34:16.930 --> 00:34:19.830
uh our friend dallas told us yeah it's like you know uh

00:34:19.830 --> 00:34:23.450
yeah so they are hiding their gluttonous

00:34:23.450 --> 00:34:29.190
uh agenda in in plain sight and boy did i partake yeah but uh anyways i came

00:34:29.190 --> 00:34:33.410
back i've been eating steak and eggs like i usually do so don't worry back to

00:34:33.410 --> 00:34:36.850
normal don't worry i'm not eating luminatis every day don't worry not every

00:34:36.850 --> 00:34:40.290
day we don't have it down here and no But they do ship across the country.

00:34:40.650 --> 00:34:43.490
Oh, yeah. You can buy it in frozen, right? Yes, and I've done that.

00:34:43.630 --> 00:34:46.970
And they hold up well. You pop it in the oven for a little while. It's nice.

00:34:47.310 --> 00:34:52.650
Sick. Yeah. I like that. Yeah. So if you're like, you just have to satisfy your

00:34:52.650 --> 00:34:54.610
gluttonous impulses, like you can do that.

00:34:55.030 --> 00:34:58.870
They sell like four packs, which is a lot of pizza.

00:34:59.270 --> 00:35:01.810
Yeah, it's a lot of pizza. It's a lot of pizza. So it's probably like- And it

00:35:01.810 --> 00:35:04.190
freezes well. You can hold onto it for a while and you just pop it out and you're

00:35:04.190 --> 00:35:07.070
like- Do you have to order it in four packs? Or can you order one at a time?

00:35:07.590 --> 00:35:10.850
I don't think you can order one at a time because they put them in those frozen trucks.

00:35:11.110 --> 00:35:14.550
So they decided the four-pack is the most economical shipment.

00:35:14.790 --> 00:35:20.350
Well, yeah, for sure. What are you going to order one $18 pizza and then pay $30 in shipping?

00:35:20.510 --> 00:35:22.890
I've never done this. I have no clue. You should take a look.

00:35:23.690 --> 00:35:26.850
Giordano's also does it. Also another famous Chicago pizza place.

00:35:26.970 --> 00:35:30.790
Also really good. And they have locations all over the country, Giordano's.

00:35:32.010 --> 00:35:35.730
But they also ship across the country frozen fat-ass pizzas.

00:35:35.730 --> 00:35:37.490
Also in four-packs? I think so.

00:35:38.650 --> 00:35:42.530
Maybe it's all the same pizza. I mean, it's the exact same pizza.

00:35:42.870 --> 00:35:45.650
Yeah, you're getting the same pizza. It's another Illuminati. Yeah, yeah.

00:35:45.830 --> 00:35:49.350
It's all from Chicago pizza. Multiple brands under Shell Company all ends up being the same thing.

00:35:49.490 --> 00:35:52.210
It's from the same Chicago pizza factory. If we were Big Pizza,

00:35:52.330 --> 00:35:54.210
that's probably how we'd do it. That's how I would do it. Yeah,

00:35:54.250 --> 00:35:57.330
yeah, yeah. That's how we would do it. Shout out Big Pizza. Shout out to Big Pizza.

00:35:58.010 --> 00:36:00.510
Right next to Big Steak. The factories are next to each other.

00:36:00.590 --> 00:36:02.310
Oh, yeah. Corporate offices.

00:36:03.650 --> 00:36:08.410
Well, speaking of shipping across the country, this is a really hard uh pivot

00:36:08.410 --> 00:36:12.070
here uh i'm really forcing this pivot speaking of shipping,

00:36:12.870 --> 00:36:16.050
across the country i'm on the edge of my seat uh cji

00:36:16.050 --> 00:36:19.010
is gonna be going on in vegas that's across the country it is

00:36:19.010 --> 00:36:22.930
uh there's a there's a giordano's on this trip i was actually gonna bring it

00:36:22.930 --> 00:36:29.230
up so this is a good segue there's a giordano's cji vegas jujitsu it all makes

00:36:29.230 --> 00:36:33.310
sense it's all links it's all part of the Illuminati yeah the Illuminati it's

00:36:33.310 --> 00:36:36.710
all part of the plan um it's uh oh fuck whatever.

00:36:37.411 --> 00:36:40.651
There we go. There's, yeah, there's Giordano's on the Strip.

00:36:40.811 --> 00:36:44.751
I want to say it's like on the Miracle Mile, if you're familiar with the Strip or whatever.

00:36:44.871 --> 00:36:48.511
So if you're going to CJI and you're like, dude, I want to mash some Chicago

00:36:48.511 --> 00:36:50.431
pizza. Get some thick-ass pizzas.

00:36:50.951 --> 00:36:53.891
Giordano's will take care of you. It takes a little bit to cook those pizzas

00:36:53.891 --> 00:36:56.491
at all. So if you think you're going to quick slice, you're not.

00:36:56.611 --> 00:36:58.731
It's going to take 25 to 35. You need to get a order, a whole one.

00:36:59.011 --> 00:37:01.211
Yeah. Bring some friends. Sit down. Definitely bring friends.

00:37:01.411 --> 00:37:04.551
This is like a pre or post event situation.

00:37:04.551 --> 00:37:07.391
But dude, if you're going, or maybe they'll even let you bring it into the arena. i doubt it

00:37:07.391 --> 00:37:10.111
but like probably not no but like you could i mean if you're

00:37:10.111 --> 00:37:12.671
like you're you're on vacation you're you're in vegas and you want to

00:37:12.671 --> 00:37:15.491
watch some which are you are they in the same venue this

00:37:15.491 --> 00:37:18.511
year probably that's the one that's the one piece of information i

00:37:18.511 --> 00:37:21.451
didn't tell you i could look it up um i but like so

00:37:21.451 --> 00:37:24.291
when this drops cji will be

00:37:24.291 --> 00:37:27.131
that weekend so it's coming up this

00:37:27.131 --> 00:37:30.031
will be you'll be listening to this right before

00:37:30.031 --> 00:37:32.771
it comes out um it seems

00:37:32.771 --> 00:37:35.571
like i like the i like the format it's gonna be cool they got

00:37:35.571 --> 00:37:38.591
like the quintet format i like how they've built these

00:37:38.591 --> 00:37:41.931
teams um craig's whole

00:37:41.931 --> 00:37:44.791
tour of the world to announce the

00:37:44.791 --> 00:37:47.611
fighters has been pretty cool too um funny guy

00:37:47.611 --> 00:37:50.971
yeah he dude um but you

00:37:50.971 --> 00:37:54.091
know it's a marketer yeah that one he knows how to market his

00:37:54.091 --> 00:37:57.531
final match against gable stevenson that'll be

00:37:57.531 --> 00:38:00.631
dude i'm actually pretty excited that's gonna be a cool that's

00:38:00.631 --> 00:38:03.491
cool uh i like this you know i like this is

00:38:03.491 --> 00:38:06.471
like a route for gable too like a nice little

00:38:06.471 --> 00:38:09.591
segue into any other combat sports

00:38:09.591 --> 00:38:12.651
now like after beating everyone's ass internationally in

00:38:12.651 --> 00:38:15.411
wrestling gable i think he did a brief stint with

00:38:15.411 --> 00:38:23.551
the wwe yeah i got paid pretty good yeah he did a did so olympics wwe went back

00:38:23.551 --> 00:38:29.211
on nil so went back to college using you know did some nil stuff so it made.

00:38:29.211 --> 00:38:33.511
Sense made one last run for the national championship his last year of eligibility.

00:38:34.451 --> 00:38:37.411
Lost heartbreakingly in the finals in a really cool match

00:38:37.411 --> 00:38:40.211
it was a cool match top top wrestling matches of all

00:38:40.211 --> 00:38:46.951
time um like to make the olympic team uh no no for ncaa finals oh my bad i'm

00:38:46.951 --> 00:38:49.851
talking about like just you're right happened you're right uh in the finals

00:38:49.851 --> 00:38:54.531
that lost in the finals in the ncaa finals uh his last year of eligibility the

00:38:54.531 --> 00:38:58.731
air force academy guy uh yeah Because that dude was like Captain something or other.

00:38:59.371 --> 00:39:02.971
Yeah. He looks like a big Captain. He's like a Shane style like Captain America

00:39:02.971 --> 00:39:04.991
with a mustache. Yeah, but I don't think he's...

00:39:05.787 --> 00:39:08.807
My phone's over there dude I want to say it was Air Force Academy because remember

00:39:08.807 --> 00:39:12.327
everyone was like dude hell yeah this American dude like everyone loves gaming

00:39:12.327 --> 00:39:15.407
he might have been in the Air Force I don't know if he was from Air Force Academy

00:39:15.407 --> 00:39:18.047
double check that I'll look into it yeah,

00:39:19.367 --> 00:39:24.267
but he is like a Captain America guy he got like a whole got some shoes and

00:39:24.267 --> 00:39:26.307
shit all American flags it's pretty sick,

00:39:27.947 --> 00:39:32.887
but I mean it was like you know it was a big upset too Wyatt Hendrickson and

00:39:32.887 --> 00:39:38.807
you're right he was an Air Force cadet on ROTC, but he wrestled for Oklahoma.

00:39:39.147 --> 00:39:42.567
Oklahoma, yeah. I was going to say it's somewhere in the where wrestling is big.

00:39:44.967 --> 00:39:50.627
Homeboy, the Penn State guy who's a stud. David Taylor. Coach David Taylor. So,

00:39:52.747 --> 00:39:58.387
Gable Stevenson. But yeah, so he had one last run and now, right afterwards,

00:39:58.387 --> 00:40:02.367
he was talking about like, hey, he was shouting out Dana White trying to get

00:40:02.367 --> 00:40:05.407
in the US, you know, like, hey, let's do UFC.

00:40:05.647 --> 00:40:09.927
He had posted training with John Jones and with Gordon, the big boys,

00:40:10.067 --> 00:40:12.947
big body dudes who are all nasty in their respective realms.

00:40:13.167 --> 00:40:15.907
You're right. I think John Jones even made a post like, dude,

00:40:15.967 --> 00:40:20.067
if this guy goes in the UFC, it's going to be like, he's going to be a handful.

00:40:20.287 --> 00:40:23.207
I mean, his he's a freak athlete, dude.

00:40:23.507 --> 00:40:32.907
His wrestling alone is just so much, it's miles ahead of anyone else in that heavyweight division.

00:40:33.347 --> 00:40:36.647
I mean, he's a little special right now. Heavyweight division is,

00:40:37.187 --> 00:40:40.507
uh, a little, the depth isn't quite what it is.

00:40:40.647 --> 00:40:44.307
It has not had a lot of depth in a while. Um,

00:40:45.100 --> 00:40:50.000
I mean, they're all still amazing fighters. It's just the level, yeah.

00:40:50.220 --> 00:40:53.780
I mean, like, obviously, they're still top of, you know, they're still top-level

00:40:53.780 --> 00:40:55.620
guys. There's just fewer huge guys.

00:40:55.800 --> 00:40:58.380
Like, it's just a division where there's not as many human beings who are,

00:40:58.480 --> 00:41:03.020
like, that goddamn big. It's a lot less competitive than it had been in the past.

00:41:03.160 --> 00:41:07.900
I mean, well, you know, in the, like... Well, heavyweights in the past used to be, like, 210.

00:41:08.300 --> 00:41:12.160
Yeah, these were a lot smaller. And now it's, like, we're talking about guys who are, like, 240.

00:41:12.960 --> 00:41:15.960
235 is light. and um i mean

00:41:15.960 --> 00:41:19.080
you have 205 divisions so some of these guys who are huge are probably thinking can

00:41:19.080 --> 00:41:22.140
i go to 205 and not yeah you said smaller

00:41:22.140 --> 00:41:27.000
heavyweights they were a little more f you had like more athletic guys that

00:41:27.000 --> 00:41:32.140
were not quite as big as they are now uh but you know like the kane velasquez

00:41:32.140 --> 00:41:38.320
j uh jds like junior dos santos era like that was probably like the you had

00:41:38.320 --> 00:41:40.220
more guys and then you kind of got into.

00:41:41.200 --> 00:41:44.300
Yeah like you had you had a little more big names

00:41:44.300 --> 00:41:47.120
at the top and now i think you kind of have a smaller roster it's

00:41:47.120 --> 00:41:50.360
been like the same couple guys fighting for the title you know like that's

00:41:50.360 --> 00:41:53.400
more of what i'm getting at is just that that's a

00:41:53.400 --> 00:41:56.480
that english lad tom aspinall he's heavyweight

00:41:56.480 --> 00:41:59.440
right he's kind of like a beast right now yeah he's the i guess

00:41:59.440 --> 00:42:02.500
just knocking everybody out basically cool um but

00:42:02.500 --> 00:42:05.440
you know it's just there's fewer guys that you see in the title picture

00:42:05.440 --> 00:42:08.280
now than you used to see that that's really all i'm getting at

00:42:08.280 --> 00:42:11.000
i get not they're not all so what you're saying

00:42:11.000 --> 00:42:14.080
is that gable would be a cool uh presence to

00:42:14.080 --> 00:42:17.080
have i think it'd be a good addition yeah for sure and he's got

00:42:17.080 --> 00:42:19.840
a personality like you could sell this dude yeah and i

00:42:19.840 --> 00:42:25.680
think also and that's kind of what i'm getting at this cji match is a good i

00:42:25.680 --> 00:42:29.560
think that's a good bridge for him right like to get into if he can go in there

00:42:29.560 --> 00:42:35.300
and show that he can do jujitsu style grappling not just you know because there's

00:42:35.300 --> 00:42:38.640
a obviously the wrestling is a really good base for him may,

00:42:38.760 --> 00:42:41.620
but if you can show that he could hang with Craig, Craig Jones,

00:42:41.860 --> 00:42:45.040
who's one of the top guys of all time right now, right? Like,

00:42:45.775 --> 00:42:46.835
Second best ever.

00:42:48.915 --> 00:42:52.655
You know, if he can get in there and like, especially win, but just show that

00:42:52.655 --> 00:42:56.655
he can hang with some of the top dudes in grappling, like that's a big deal

00:42:56.655 --> 00:43:02.195
for kind of breaking into the combat sport scene more than he already has. And there's some money.

00:43:02.395 --> 00:43:06.275
And there's money involved. There's some damn money involved at CJI, which is exciting.

00:43:07.535 --> 00:43:11.835
I know last year they did the $1 million for two divisions.

00:43:12.235 --> 00:43:15.035
It was like sub-180 and over-180, I think was what they did last year.

00:43:15.035 --> 00:43:16.635
Whatever the cutoff was.

00:43:16.875 --> 00:43:20.375
Yeah, it was like 70 kilo and 80.

00:43:20.515 --> 00:43:23.115
It was plus 80 and minus 80, I think, or something like that.

00:43:23.115 --> 00:43:25.495
Something like that. There were two divisions that killed off a million.

00:43:26.255 --> 00:43:29.855
So there was $2 million in purse, and then all the other athletes got paid,

00:43:29.855 --> 00:43:34.195
I think, $10,001, so they could get paid one more dollar than ADCC. Just to show up.

00:43:34.355 --> 00:43:40.355
Just to show up. Well, and last year it competed with ADCC, so it was on the same weekend.

00:43:40.555 --> 00:43:43.435
I was watching with friends, dude, we had we had a

00:43:43.435 --> 00:43:46.395
uh like a two tv thing going we were in the like ufc also

00:43:46.395 --> 00:43:49.375
happened to be that night so we watched ufc adcc and cji it

00:43:49.375 --> 00:43:52.315
was actually awesome uh but it was a lot of shit it was

00:43:52.315 --> 00:43:55.655
yeah dude it was wild um but uh

00:43:55.655 --> 00:43:58.535
but yeah so i and i i think they're they're still peeling

00:43:58.535 --> 00:44:02.075
off a million but they're doing it for the teams now right because they're doing

00:44:02.075 --> 00:44:07.395
quintet format or whatever yeah so they're doing quintet um shoot how many teams

00:44:07.395 --> 00:44:10.715
do they have i feel like there's more than i ever six to eight or something

00:44:10.715 --> 00:44:17.095
like that yeah it's a lot of teams you got new wave b team uh daisy fresh.

00:44:19.390 --> 00:44:22.070
American european and then greg i think

00:44:22.070 --> 00:44:24.990
is teaching or running the american one right yeah uh greg souter

00:44:24.990 --> 00:44:27.890
is running from our area yeah from the dc area

00:44:27.890 --> 00:44:31.230
right across the river here um yeah greg

00:44:31.230 --> 00:44:34.050
running that you have pedigo running you

00:44:34.050 --> 00:44:36.970
know daisy fresh um atos has

00:44:36.970 --> 00:44:39.730
a team atos has a team that's right and then you have

00:44:39.730 --> 00:44:43.090
australasia euros euros so

00:44:43.090 --> 00:44:46.550
you have like i think seven there might be an eighth one i don't

00:44:46.550 --> 00:44:49.930
maybe brazil as a team uh yes yes

00:44:49.930 --> 00:44:53.270
so yeah there's eight teams um so you have a couple like national

00:44:53.270 --> 00:44:57.010
or you know continental teams and

00:44:57.010 --> 00:45:00.370
then you have your uh then you have like some of the big schools like

00:45:00.370 --> 00:45:03.110
some of the really big name teams also have

00:45:03.110 --> 00:45:06.070
teams um it's cool like they all have like jerseys so

00:45:06.070 --> 00:45:10.650
it's kind of like it's kind of like sports league-esque so it creates some cool

00:45:10.650 --> 00:45:14.610
well yesterday i saw that like the new wave team lost big dan because he was

00:45:14.610 --> 00:45:18.650
injured or something and then like they signed Wagner Hocha so there's a lot

00:45:18.650 --> 00:45:21.450
of like interesting like kind of fun like ooh breaking news things going on

00:45:21.450 --> 00:45:23.930
because like in jiu-jitsu especially like you have like a five man team,

00:45:24.510 --> 00:45:27.530
someone's gonna get injured once I pop out so like Craig's doing this like wild

00:45:27.530 --> 00:45:31.770
card thing which is pretty cool yeah where if you have one of your team once

00:45:31.770 --> 00:45:35.710
someone off your team gets injured then Craig Jones basically gives you someone yeah.

00:45:37.650 --> 00:45:42.010
The like funny part with that was he kind of teased that maybe he was rejoining

00:45:42.010 --> 00:45:44.110
New Wave for a little bit there which is pretty funny,

00:45:45.030 --> 00:45:48.550
but it was like yeah that's probably not going to happen you're not going to

00:45:48.550 --> 00:45:52.950
do that but the cool thing they're doing is,

00:45:54.012 --> 00:46:00.952
you kind of get to your roster order isn't set so you send somebody out your

00:46:00.952 --> 00:46:06.852
opponent gets to send somebody out and then you get the coaches on a clock after

00:46:06.852 --> 00:46:09.152
the match ends the person who's.

00:46:10.452 --> 00:46:15.692
The person who lost is on a clock to select their next person to come out to

00:46:15.692 --> 00:46:20.652
continue so there's some strategy involved based on that as well which is really cool,

00:46:21.832 --> 00:46:24.552
so it's going to be fun it's going to be cool uh we

00:46:24.552 --> 00:46:27.712
have a women's division uh they're competing

00:46:27.712 --> 00:46:30.552
for um i don't

00:46:30.552 --> 00:46:33.612
know how many dollars but they're competing for money too it's

00:46:33.612 --> 00:46:37.752
big money it's life-changing money um obviously you

00:46:37.752 --> 00:46:42.412
know i think gordon ryan was shitting on it because obviously him and craig

00:46:42.412 --> 00:46:46.852
have beef but he was like shitting on like the oh well now it's a it's a pay

00:46:46.852 --> 00:46:50.652
downgrade because it's five people so now instead of winning a million dollars

00:46:50.652 --> 00:46:53.912
they're only winning at 200 000 that's what i was getting at It's still a lot of money.

00:46:54.212 --> 00:46:59.332
And, you know, he did one event last year where, like, two dudes got a million dollars.

00:47:00.092 --> 00:47:05.492
Nicky Rod and one of the Rutolos. I think Cade. Might have been Ty.

00:47:05.772 --> 00:47:08.512
One of the Rutolos made a million dollars. The one with the big hair.

00:47:08.632 --> 00:47:10.032
I think that's Cade. I think so.

00:47:11.692 --> 00:47:16.392
Well, either way, like, okay, so, like, first one ever, two dudes became millionaires.

00:47:16.552 --> 00:47:19.692
It's pretty fucking good. So they're figuring it out is all I'm saying.

00:47:20.152 --> 00:47:24.172
I mean, $200,000 is still more than you win at any of the other ones.

00:47:24.172 --> 00:47:26.232
That's a salary. That's a good salary.

00:47:26.880 --> 00:47:29.620
Professional salary for someone i think the only one that

00:47:29.620 --> 00:47:32.740
comes close is pgf for like this for

00:47:32.740 --> 00:47:36.360
like a tournament style if you're not just like the guy because

00:47:36.360 --> 00:47:39.960
obviously like if you're obviously gordon

00:47:39.960 --> 00:47:42.980
ryan gets paid more because he has a deal

00:47:42.980 --> 00:47:45.760
that's different than everybody else's well and

00:47:45.760 --> 00:47:48.620
i don't know i don't know if he's making hundreds of thousands of dollars

00:47:48.620 --> 00:47:51.640
to compete though i mean he's making paper on his tutorials

00:47:51.640 --> 00:47:54.640
and other stuff and he's definitely getting paid a lot to compete and he

00:47:54.640 --> 00:47:57.500
honestly should yeah i just don't know if it's um i

00:47:57.500 --> 00:48:00.720
mean the the yeah per you mean like it's yeah yeah

00:48:00.720 --> 00:48:03.260
yeah i mean like i i i don't know i don't know.

00:48:03.260 --> 00:48:06.180
If adcc discloses that like when he defends well maybe when.

00:48:06.180 --> 00:48:09.400
You like tie everything else in it's a little bit different but well.

00:48:09.400 --> 00:48:12.400
I mean he's certainly making amongst

00:48:12.400 --> 00:48:15.060
the most of any he's i if i had

00:48:15.060 --> 00:48:18.080
to guess i don't see his his his tax returns

00:48:18.080 --> 00:48:21.080
at the end of the year but like when he's competing all the time and like he's

00:48:21.080 --> 00:48:24.120
been pretty um vocal about his

00:48:24.120 --> 00:48:26.900
uh his health like from time to time he'll have

00:48:26.900 --> 00:48:29.580
like years where he's pretty active and he competes and he'll have years

00:48:29.580 --> 00:48:32.620
where he's where he's not as active like he just opened an academy in austin

00:48:32.620 --> 00:48:35.900
texas too so i imagine that's going to keep him pretty busy when

00:48:35.900 --> 00:48:38.800
i think um so he's probably not competing as much and getting like those

00:48:38.800 --> 00:48:41.560
like like winning purses or whatever yeah well

00:48:41.560 --> 00:48:44.280
also i think one thing he talked about is when

00:48:44.280 --> 00:48:47.320
donna hurt retired from coaching he was

00:48:47.320 --> 00:48:50.140
going to retire from competing so i also think that

00:48:50.140 --> 00:48:53.200
he might not compete again um i don't think dunhurst retired

00:48:53.200 --> 00:48:55.960
yet though but like i think it's kind of it's kind

00:48:55.960 --> 00:48:59.660
of leaning that way and it seems like that he's probably not probably

00:48:59.660 --> 00:49:02.540
just going to be coaching himself he's going to himself be

00:49:02.540 --> 00:49:05.200
coaching yeah um and that's where he's going

00:49:05.200 --> 00:49:08.140
to continue to get paid yeah like i think he's probably figured

00:49:08.140 --> 00:49:11.180
out he's like he has nothing to gain by continuing

00:49:11.180 --> 00:49:13.920
to compete at this point he's also been pretty vocal and it's i only

00:49:13.920 --> 00:49:16.880
think he's like maybe he maybe is 30 or 31 or

00:49:16.880 --> 00:49:19.800
32 like he's in his i think he's like around he's younger than me he's

00:49:19.800 --> 00:49:23.720
like maybe just turned right then he's he's like i've listened to him you know

00:49:23.720 --> 00:49:27.000
on podcasts and like he's talked about this which is that he's like i can keep

00:49:27.000 --> 00:49:31.220
my athletic peak well into my late 30s early 40s he believes that but i believe

00:49:31.220 --> 00:49:34.360
he probably could especially in jiu-jitsu because like we've seen guys do that

00:49:34.360 --> 00:49:38.180
um you've seen guys like in their late like wagner yeah it's like in his.

00:49:38.560 --> 00:49:41.320
Early maybe even mid 40s and still like dogging it out with

00:49:41.320 --> 00:49:45.020
the top dudes cyborg too um so

00:49:45.020 --> 00:49:47.880
i believe he could do that but like you said like is he gonna do it

00:49:47.880 --> 00:49:50.620
is there gonna be um an opportunity or is

00:49:50.620 --> 00:49:53.860
he just i mean what more does the guy need to prove simply put

00:49:53.860 --> 00:49:56.660
so it's i mean he needs to prove that his tummy doesn't hurt anymore well

00:49:56.660 --> 00:49:59.100
we'll just find out what he's gonna do is all i'm saying like if he's gonna

00:49:59.100 --> 00:50:01.840
be just like dude i need to beat everyone's ass for like eight more years he's

00:50:01.840 --> 00:50:04.500
like i just i beat your all's asses like i did it so like now i'm gonna become

00:50:04.500 --> 00:50:08.520
like a a multi-millionaire on other things cause he that's he loves making money

00:50:08.520 --> 00:50:12.040
I don't blame him I don't blame him and like he should but all I'm saying is

00:50:12.040 --> 00:50:14.180
like maybe that's his next thing he's like I want to become like.

00:50:14.745 --> 00:50:18.625
I want to honor John Donner. I want to become one of the best coaches I can be. Yeah.

00:50:18.825 --> 00:50:21.685
Maybe that's his thing. And it makes sense. Like I get it. I,

00:50:22.125 --> 00:50:25.665
he doesn't need to do it. He has no reason to prove it. He has nothing to prove anymore.

00:50:25.885 --> 00:50:28.585
He maybe has like what, one or two matches to get back.

00:50:28.945 --> 00:50:32.445
I don't even, I think he has like, dude, I can't keep track of like any of that

00:50:32.445 --> 00:50:34.725
shit. Like I, who has he not beat?

00:50:35.005 --> 00:50:39.445
I think he has one person that he needs to even the, that he needs to be,

00:50:39.565 --> 00:50:41.465
I don't know, maybe, but whatever. Who?

00:50:41.965 --> 00:50:45.585
No, like I think he has, I think there's someone who he hasn't beat who he's lost to.

00:50:45.745 --> 00:50:48.205
Okay, he probably has a hit list. Like knowing him, he's got a hit list.

00:50:48.205 --> 00:50:51.265
Yeah, he's got like, oh, I need to get this one back. I can't think of anyone.

00:50:51.265 --> 00:50:52.625
Or they're one-on-one or whatever.

00:50:52.825 --> 00:50:55.205
I don't know. I don't follow him that closely.

00:50:55.805 --> 00:51:00.605
Yeah, yeah. I mean, I've watched him compete tons of times. I couldn't tell.

00:51:00.805 --> 00:51:03.785
Like off the top of my head, I'm like, ooh, who's the next? Oh, he has to fight this guy.

00:51:04.065 --> 00:51:05.965
Like you can do that in the UFC. A lot of times you can say like,

00:51:06.505 --> 00:51:09.625
George St. Pierre never fought Khabib or whoever.

00:51:09.805 --> 00:51:13.065
Like there are some of those situations where you're like, oh like it's

00:51:13.065 --> 00:51:16.665
like these matchups that never took place but like I can't think of one no I

00:51:16.665 --> 00:51:20.025
don't think there's any of those I think he just has I think there's probably

00:51:20.025 --> 00:51:23.305
some that he wants to that he would he wants to run it back I think there's

00:51:23.305 --> 00:51:27.765
some he would probably run it back for but you know that's whatever yeah whatever

00:51:27.765 --> 00:51:30.605
like he doesn't have to he doesn't have to what does he want to do his legacy

00:51:30.605 --> 00:51:32.265
is set he's done the things right.

00:51:33.305 --> 00:51:37.345
Take care of the tummy and make some paper get that get that tum tum build the

00:51:37.345 --> 00:51:43.125
academy man yeah do your thing keep selling tutorials like Yeah, just, you won.

00:51:43.505 --> 00:51:46.985
Yeah, he did. You won the game. He's the Conor McGregor of...

00:51:46.985 --> 00:51:51.325
Well, Conor McGregor's had more of a fall off. Hold on, hold on, hold on, let me finish.

00:51:51.645 --> 00:51:55.765
He's a Conor McGregor insofar as like someone getting rich off of jiu-jitsu. Yeah.

00:51:56.185 --> 00:52:00.325
I mean, he's not billionaire status, but like, just not jiu-jitsu billionaires.

00:52:00.385 --> 00:52:05.205
Let's hope he sticks at this point in Conor McGregor. You know what he should do?

00:52:05.345 --> 00:52:08.085
I don't think he's listening to this, but if he hears this...

00:52:08.085 --> 00:52:11.565
Well, shut up, maybe we can... Dude, he's apparently very... Dude.

00:52:12.025 --> 00:52:15.025
On social media. Well, he certainly is, but. We'll shout him out.

00:52:15.185 --> 00:52:18.425
Dude, if he wants to become like a billionaire, he needs to find,

00:52:18.585 --> 00:52:21.405
like Connor, Connor started selling whiskey and like other stuff,

00:52:21.425 --> 00:52:22.125
got into other businesses.

00:52:22.285 --> 00:52:25.585
He needs to get a business that has like a global reach or at least a national

00:52:25.585 --> 00:52:28.085
reach and he should start selling stomach supplements.

00:52:28.985 --> 00:52:33.025
Gordon approved. I mean, for real, especially in including at least. Tepto-bismol.

00:52:33.325 --> 00:52:37.305
I mean, shit like whatever. He's like, this is a Gordon Ryan approved prebiotic

00:52:37.305 --> 00:52:42.245
probiotics, blah, blah, blah, blah. Have you been stricken with staph infections

00:52:42.245 --> 00:52:45.825
and you've had to pound your body with antibiotics?

00:52:46.045 --> 00:52:48.665
And this is the stuff that I took that da-da-da-da-da. Like,

00:52:48.725 --> 00:52:50.645
if he does that, man, he might actually find something that,

00:52:50.645 --> 00:52:54.325
like, transcends just beyond, like, the actual hands. Yeah.

00:52:54.725 --> 00:53:00.185
Did you destroy your gut biome with antibiotics? I'll DM him, dude.

00:53:00.945 --> 00:53:07.785
No, let's do this. Let's do this. Let's do this. DM him. But then also let's do this out loud.

00:53:08.325 --> 00:53:10.585
Well, I mean, dude. Yeah. I mean, I hope he hears it. Maybe he's like,

00:53:10.685 --> 00:53:14.185
I like that. And then he's like tight with bro Rogan.

00:53:14.385 --> 00:53:17.765
And I like calling him bro Rogan. Yeah, it's a good side with bro Rogan.

00:53:18.025 --> 00:53:20.745
And the guys at the ways to well thing down there. So like, I'm,

00:53:20.745 --> 00:53:24.105
I'm certain he's like trying to, I bet this.

00:53:24.445 --> 00:53:26.425
It's already in production. He talks about it. It's sort of,

00:53:26.585 --> 00:53:29.625
well, no, what I was going to say, he's, I'm certain he thinks about it all

00:53:29.625 --> 00:53:33.705
the time. I'm like, how can I get my, my, my digestive issues under control?

00:53:33.865 --> 00:53:36.065
Like he's been pretty vocal about how that's challenged for him.

00:53:36.145 --> 00:53:38.965
Like I'm certain he thinks about it. Do you think, do you think that's why he,

00:53:39.125 --> 00:53:41.205
uh, why he's been making all these frequent trips to DC?

00:53:41.465 --> 00:53:44.905
Do you think he's trying to talk to all, to all RFK jr.

00:53:45.085 --> 00:53:48.865
Well, I mean, I, I do think that he like, uh, cause he's been vocal about this

00:53:48.865 --> 00:53:50.365
too. Like I look, I follow the guy on Instagram.

00:53:50.525 --> 00:53:52.545
I'm sure you do too. Like I see, like, I see that what he posts,

00:53:52.585 --> 00:53:54.365
like he's like talked about like the,

00:53:54.565 --> 00:53:58.225
like the um successful male

00:53:58.225 --> 00:54:01.565
archetypes of dudes like arnold schwarzenegger um who

00:54:01.565 --> 00:54:04.805
are like athletes then actors then politicians and

00:54:04.805 --> 00:54:07.605
he's i think he likens i think he likes the idea and

00:54:07.605 --> 00:54:11.065
like do you think he's going to do acting next i don't know but uh let's ask

00:54:11.065 --> 00:54:14.305
him well i think he's get him on the show it's sort of like i mean wouldn't

00:54:14.305 --> 00:54:19.245
that be nice he um i think he likes he likes he did like the three like the

00:54:19.245 --> 00:54:24.345
the the successful famous man who do three things really well sports he's You

00:54:24.345 --> 00:54:25.985
know, he likens himself a businessman.

00:54:25.985 --> 00:54:29.765
So like business and he's opening a brick and mortar gym, right?

00:54:29.865 --> 00:54:32.425
So he's getting his hands on like more traditional business there too.

00:54:32.665 --> 00:54:35.665
He knows how to sell products. Like he's selling millions of dollars worth of

00:54:35.665 --> 00:54:37.145
tutorials. So that's, that's business too.

00:54:37.425 --> 00:54:39.905
Albeit again, directly, maybe a little more related to being an athlete,

00:54:39.925 --> 00:54:41.785
but nonetheless, he's a coach and businessman with that.

00:54:42.185 --> 00:54:44.985
So maybe he looks at himself as he's like athlete, businessman,

00:54:45.045 --> 00:54:46.465
and then one day politics.

00:54:47.085 --> 00:54:50.345
And with this current administration having a,

00:54:50.818 --> 00:54:55.378
very publicly being like into like tough guy stuff they love the uf like trump loves the ufc.

00:54:56.198 --> 00:55:00.218
Um dana loves trump like it's just like because when he goes to dc it's always

00:55:00.218 --> 00:55:04.518
like him tim kennedy sometimes john jones george st pierre goes there conor

00:55:04.518 --> 00:55:07.298
mcgregor's been there so it's like like the ufc dudes the tough like the fighter

00:55:07.298 --> 00:55:10.438
style dudes are like into this so there's like a certain like,

00:55:11.038 --> 00:55:13.798
husbandry between like this the culture of

00:55:13.798 --> 00:55:16.718
this administration and like that archetype and

00:55:16.718 --> 00:55:19.598
i mean he was invited i think i don't know he has been coming to dc a

00:55:19.598 --> 00:55:22.458
lot so yeah who knows man he's been rolling with

00:55:22.458 --> 00:55:25.758
um i think he's part of like the tim kennedy entourage it

00:55:25.758 --> 00:55:29.178
was awesome texas guys like i mean they've trained together like yeah there's

00:55:29.178 --> 00:55:34.258
a ton of like you know overlap and respect and friendship those dudes all have

00:55:34.258 --> 00:55:41.458
with one another so yeah yeah um yeah so cji any any ideas we this will tangent

00:55:41.458 --> 00:55:45.638
a lot whatever any idea do you have a do you have like a favorite team-wise?

00:55:45.898 --> 00:55:48.478
You know, it's interesting, man. I mean, obviously, look, New Wave is nasty,

00:55:48.538 --> 00:55:49.598
so I wouldn't be surprised.

00:55:49.858 --> 00:55:54.398
I mean, they're not putting out Gordon. I don't think Gary's doing it. I think a lot of their...

00:55:54.818 --> 00:55:57.818
They have a... It's a little broken up, it seems like.

00:55:58.138 --> 00:56:00.438
Well, I mean, they brought in Wagner, right? Yeah. He's an outsider,

00:56:00.518 --> 00:56:03.378
but he's very... He might be the most experienced competitor on that team.

00:56:03.378 --> 00:56:04.218
I haven't looked at the roster.

00:56:04.858 --> 00:56:08.438
But I wouldn't be... But just knowing that John Donahue is at the helm there,

00:56:08.558 --> 00:56:11.518
they're going to have a plan. They're going to have very smart, well-prepared.

00:56:12.018 --> 00:56:14.898
I mean, they have an incredible training room some might say even the best in

00:56:14.898 --> 00:56:18.738
the world like they're gonna be a top contender oh absolutely atos dudes are

00:56:18.738 --> 00:56:23.298
all very experienced um i think they're lighter weight guys i think it's um

00:56:23.298 --> 00:56:27.398
fuck what's his name whatever like i think i i the the bigger dudes in that

00:56:27.398 --> 00:56:30.998
team i think are gonna have hard time against the bigger dudes on like a new wave for example.

00:56:31.678 --> 00:56:34.618
Um i you can't really count atos

00:56:34.618 --> 00:56:37.498
out but i i i think the new wave roster is

00:56:37.498 --> 00:56:40.258
a little bit tight of them the dark horse team for me dude i mean

00:56:40.258 --> 00:56:43.818
by the way i mean i'll be pulling for a great uh for greg's team yeah i

00:56:43.818 --> 00:56:46.498
will be like there's just you know like the local guys yeah i'll

00:56:46.498 --> 00:56:49.198
be pulling for those guys yeah it's supposed to be like the team america it's like

00:56:49.198 --> 00:56:53.778
all local boys but i think you know and i don't know are both elijah okay so

00:56:53.778 --> 00:56:58.078
and elijah i want to say is like maybe like 180 185 like size wise roughly yeah

00:56:58.078 --> 00:57:01.398
something like that right and i are both the core base on the team all right

00:57:01.398 --> 00:57:04.338
so they're lighter right so it'll be fascinating to see like they what i'm saying

00:57:04.338 --> 00:57:07.618
is they may have like a smaller body type than everyone else out there.

00:57:07.878 --> 00:57:11.818
Obviously really skilled. So we'll see how that plays out against like in size discrepancies.

00:57:12.278 --> 00:57:14.078
I think the Australasia team, dude.

00:57:14.798 --> 00:57:17.698
Oh, yeah. With Lachlan Giles. And like they've, apparently they've brought in

00:57:17.698 --> 00:57:20.578
like, dude, those are like, it's mostly Australian guys.

00:57:20.738 --> 00:57:25.478
They have like some, some like sneaky freak, like dangerous dudes on that team.

00:57:25.578 --> 00:57:27.718
They have, and Fabricio Andre, I believe. They have him.

00:57:28.238 --> 00:57:30.078
They have a guy from Japan.

00:57:31.598 --> 00:57:32.218
Oh, God.

00:57:32.768 --> 00:57:36.688
I can never remember his name. I think he's in 66. Canard? Something Canard?

00:57:38.168 --> 00:57:41.408
Whatever. No. No, that's definitely not a Japanese name. I'm thinking of Hustler

00:57:41.408 --> 00:57:44.668
here, bro. No, he... But they have a really good team.

00:57:44.908 --> 00:57:50.868
They have some solid dudes in the lower weight division. They have a really good middle and upper.

00:57:51.168 --> 00:57:54.368
I think you're right. I think they probably have... They're going to be cutting.

00:57:54.368 --> 00:57:58.228
They have the killers in the majority of them. Yeah. I think they have a better makeup.

00:57:58.508 --> 00:58:01.628
But also, I mean, you get into... It's like, yeah, New Wave.

00:58:01.628 --> 00:58:04.148
They're going to be stacked at the heavier weights.

00:58:06.048 --> 00:58:10.828
Which, like, if they're heavier guys can ride out all five. That's what I'm saying.

00:58:11.128 --> 00:58:14.228
That might prove to be a strategic advantage.

00:58:14.548 --> 00:58:19.148
But, you know, there's obviously going to be... I think strategy's going to...

00:58:19.148 --> 00:58:22.288
We kind of talked about this when we were talking about the...

00:58:23.908 --> 00:58:26.948
The NGA style. The NGA trios and quintets.

00:58:27.688 --> 00:58:30.868
What's the makeup? I mean, I think the

00:58:30.868 --> 00:58:33.648
team that won i mean it was have the best

00:58:33.648 --> 00:58:36.328
big person i think right like that was who won the whole

00:58:36.328 --> 00:58:39.748
thing i think no it was uh the tim's people

00:58:39.748 --> 00:58:44.568
yeah they just had really solid yeah yeah they just had really solid people

00:58:44.568 --> 00:58:48.108
but there was that i mean we saw the person they went against in the finals

00:58:48.108 --> 00:58:51.908
they're it was basically their big person i don't want to call her heavyweight

00:58:51.908 --> 00:58:55.848
she wasn't but like they're large they're bigger lady she was she took out like

00:58:55.848 --> 00:58:57.848
yeah she was just cleaning out teams.

00:58:58.148 --> 00:59:01.148
Well, and I think there's something to that, right? Yeah. When you get,

00:59:01.348 --> 00:59:03.568
because like basically we've described a lot of teams who have,

00:59:03.668 --> 00:59:05.888
and by the way, I was saying like with Atos, like maybe I'm wrong,

00:59:06.008 --> 00:59:07.408
like they have some bigger guys, but,

00:59:08.368 --> 00:59:10.968
and they're experienced and skilled guys, like I think they,

00:59:11.088 --> 00:59:13.948
they're, they're outsider because he's not an Atos guy, although he's close

00:59:13.948 --> 00:59:17.728
with Andre Galvao is Felipe.

00:59:18.788 --> 00:59:22.128
And, you know, Felipe who has,

00:59:22.908 --> 00:59:25.628
been top of the heap for a very long time and everyone knows he's kind of like,

00:59:25.688 --> 00:59:28.428
he had like his ups and downs with gordon and all that but they've they had

00:59:28.428 --> 00:59:31.148
some really competitive matches and he's huge now he had

00:59:31.148 --> 00:59:34.208
a hard time with kate i think or ty lutolo and adcc

00:59:34.208 --> 00:59:36.888
the last go around um so what i'm

00:59:36.888 --> 00:59:40.728
going to say was like i think with the big guy strategy i mean he ended up winning

00:59:40.728 --> 00:59:44.628
that match i think um it was like a split decision refs decision that it went

00:59:44.628 --> 00:59:51.308
to um it went to felipe but sort of like the crowd support everyone was like

00:59:51.308 --> 00:59:55.988
amazed that ty basically just dogged it out and forced him to and he basically won on being big,

00:59:56.588 --> 00:59:59.008
kind of laying on him a little bit more, and he didn't really out-jujitsu him,

00:59:59.008 --> 01:00:00.568
he just kind of survived and happened to be bigger.

01:00:02.584 --> 01:00:04.804
I hope I'm not butchering that story, but that was my takeaway,

01:00:04.924 --> 01:00:07.284
and I watched the match. I remember thinking, like, dude, Ty is the man.

01:00:07.744 --> 01:00:10.344
That was my takeaway from the match, was, like, Ty Rutola was the man.

01:00:10.424 --> 01:00:13.544
He didn't win it, but, like, in my eyes, like, in the crowd's eyes,

01:00:13.604 --> 01:00:14.844
everyone was like, yeah, this guy rules.

01:00:14.984 --> 01:00:18.084
Well, I mean, that's what, you know, any sort of David and Goliath matchup like

01:00:18.084 --> 01:00:19.764
that, it's going to be, that's what you're going to have.

01:00:19.864 --> 01:00:22.964
But to my point, to devil's advocate against myself there, like,

01:00:23.024 --> 01:00:24.604
there's still, who ended up winning the match?

01:00:24.704 --> 01:00:27.644
It was the big guy who won the match. So I think, like, with the big guy strategy, it's like,

01:00:27.784 --> 01:00:31.104
you can take some of these very skilled smaller guys

01:00:31.104 --> 01:00:33.884
but just outlast them on like you them just not being they

01:00:33.884 --> 01:00:36.644
maybe they run circles around you but like depending on the format of the

01:00:36.644 --> 01:00:39.344
how the matches are won that might not

01:00:39.344 --> 01:00:42.044
be enough like if they can't submit you they can't actually finish a

01:00:42.044 --> 01:00:44.564
guard pass they can't actually finish a takedown they can almost do a lot of

01:00:44.564 --> 01:00:48.224
things which is exciting to watch and it makes you excited for the david versus

01:00:48.224 --> 01:00:52.944
the goliath yeah but the goliath wins a lot of times because that's just kind

01:00:52.944 --> 01:00:55.864
of how it goes like you gotta actually size matters with size matters and you

01:00:55.864 --> 01:01:00.064
got to finish like if there are points being awarded or if there's like a submission only.

01:01:00.504 --> 01:01:03.824
Orientation towards the match and i think he quintets you got to submit the guy right uh

01:01:03.824 --> 01:01:06.864
yeah i think that's the idea that's that's

01:01:06.864 --> 01:01:09.904
the that's the idea right that's that's the ultimate goal it

01:01:09.904 --> 01:01:13.284
could it could end up being that having like a heavy dominant

01:01:13.284 --> 01:01:16.204
team they can outlast some of these littler

01:01:16.204 --> 01:01:19.084
dudes who might be on paper quote-unquote more skilled but

01:01:19.084 --> 01:01:21.804
if they can't seal the deal and overcome the size but he's so

01:01:21.804 --> 01:01:25.064
skilled that they can overcome the size barrier yeah and if they don't it's

01:01:25.064 --> 01:01:28.044
gonna favor the big guy it's probably gonna come down to when

01:01:28.044 --> 01:01:31.764
you have those like teams that are more stacked on

01:01:31.764 --> 01:01:36.444
the smaller end like have the more the better competitors that are smaller it's

01:01:36.444 --> 01:01:40.704
probably gonna come down to like who you send out it's gonna be a lot of team

01:01:40.704 --> 01:01:46.444
strategy like all right who do we start with if they send out this person and

01:01:46.444 --> 01:01:51.324
they win well this is who we're gonna send out next like i think a lot of coaching strategy is like.

01:01:51.824 --> 01:01:54.444
It'd be fun to watch right because and some of that's gonna

01:01:54.444 --> 01:01:57.524
be i think i think it's gonna be like on the fly yeah

01:01:57.524 --> 01:02:00.264
they're gonna be making calls as like like a football coach you gotta make

01:02:00.264 --> 01:02:03.344
calls like it's not just like oh like a lot of jiu-jitsu coaching

01:02:03.344 --> 01:02:06.424
like when you show up to a tournament in corner it's like the work's done like coaching

01:02:06.424 --> 01:02:09.604
is kind of like there's not really a big role necessarily

01:02:09.604 --> 01:02:12.564
for the coach you're just there to make sure that like

01:02:12.564 --> 01:02:15.344
the ufc thing you don't have to think well and like these guys

01:02:15.344 --> 01:02:18.004
are it's like they either already are capable of doing it or not like you can

01:02:18.004 --> 01:02:20.744
kind of guide a little bit when you coach but like so much of it is like

01:02:20.744 --> 01:02:23.984
the work's done as the coach it's like there to be support um maybe

01:02:23.984 --> 01:02:27.264
give them a little guidance before or after in between matches if it's tournament

01:02:27.264 --> 01:02:31.204
um or like in the ufc with like the ufc bj thing they're doing now where they

01:02:31.204 --> 01:02:34.204
have rounds like i could see there being like hey you need to do x y and z like

01:02:34.204 --> 01:02:37.384
that gives you that opportunity to get in there and actually do your job a little

01:02:37.384 --> 01:02:41.624
bit start to tell someone to gear shift make an adjustment like that that provides

01:02:42.064 --> 01:02:45.764
i think that creates an environment where the coach has more value and i think

01:02:45.764 --> 01:02:48.984
in this instance it's gonna we're gonna see it and it's gonna be like yo these

01:02:48.984 --> 01:02:52.124
are like real coaches now like a sports coach like you have to make calls make

01:02:52.124 --> 01:02:56.204
adjustments and to be like hey like i'm sending in this guy because this big

01:02:56.204 --> 01:02:57.104
dude or this little dude's,

01:02:57.777 --> 01:03:00.637
performing differently than i expected you have to be able to make a call in

01:03:00.637 --> 01:03:04.917
the moment yeah it's actual real-time strategy and everything versus just like

01:03:04.917 --> 01:03:08.177
having it decided in your athlete right like because that's that's what you're

01:03:08.177 --> 01:03:11.817
doing in normal jiu-jitsu matches is you're really just.

01:03:12.577 --> 01:03:16.037
Maintaining them in their game for the most part um

01:03:16.037 --> 01:03:21.457
at that point like in the match so yeah for sure should be interesting it's

01:03:21.457 --> 01:03:25.097
gonna be cool i'm pretty excited for it i'm gonna try to definitely gonna be

01:03:25.097 --> 01:03:31.337
throwing that on the on the television and that's CGI I mean there's some other

01:03:31.337 --> 01:03:32.897
cool stuff going on we've got.

01:03:33.737 --> 01:03:39.677
The UFC deal that's gonna be good with Paramount no more pay-per-views ever

01:03:39.677 --> 01:03:44.937
so starting next year okay so UFC is gonna be,

01:03:45.517 --> 01:03:48.637
purely on Paramount so I think there's gonna be matches that

01:03:48.637 --> 01:03:52.017
are I think it's on CBS so there's

01:03:52.017 --> 01:03:58.637
gonna be like fights uh like simulcast on cbs and on paramount plus all numbered

01:03:58.637 --> 01:04:03.897
cards everything paramount plus including the subscription 7.7 billion dollar

01:04:03.897 --> 01:04:09.257
deal that they so they got 7.7 billion dollars from paramount paramount's just

01:04:09.257 --> 01:04:11.937
fucking throwing out cash right now dude it's wild.

01:04:14.877 --> 01:04:20.697
Is paramount part of that your skydance it was part of that it was right there they,

01:04:21.177 --> 01:04:24.597
that they were just part of that like buyout thing yeah

01:04:24.597 --> 01:04:27.297
that's a smart roof they i remember seeing a bunch

01:04:27.297 --> 01:04:30.277
of stuff on the internet about how like they tried to figure out because paramount

01:04:30.277 --> 01:04:34.737
i also think owned south park yes and they got into like a bit of a row with

01:04:34.737 --> 01:04:38.677
the trey and matt and they were trying to square all this out before like skydance

01:04:38.677 --> 01:04:42.077
got in there and bought the company yeah they they made sure to like they made

01:04:42.077 --> 01:04:47.277
sure to like pin their 1.6 because they got 1.6 billion for Trey and Matt.

01:04:48.277 --> 01:04:54.337
And so they made sure to pin that before the buyout went through so they're

01:04:54.337 --> 01:04:57.537
locked in. And they were in the lawsuit from 60... Was it 60 Minutes?

01:04:57.657 --> 01:04:58.957
Whatever the one that was...

01:04:59.704 --> 01:05:03.104
Yeah, I think it's 60 Minutes, which is, it's a CBS TV show,

01:05:03.164 --> 01:05:06.124
I believe, that was, like, that Trump was suing them for all that shit.

01:05:06.244 --> 01:05:07.284
So, they're like, we got to tie that off.

01:05:07.704 --> 01:05:10.424
Take care, make sure Trump dog isn't mad at us. Well, yeah, they made,

01:05:10.544 --> 01:05:12.924
they, like, paid, they settled. Well, they had to get it down.

01:05:13.024 --> 01:05:14.664
Yeah, they settled so they could go through the life. It's going to be tough

01:05:14.664 --> 01:05:17.084
to sell a company when, like, you're in the middle of a major lawsuit.

01:05:17.244 --> 01:05:20.024
Yeah. And then they also secure the UFC deal.

01:05:20.284 --> 01:05:23.104
I don't know if they finished the South Park thing. I think they did,

01:05:23.164 --> 01:05:25.084
but, like, shit, man. Yeah, South Park was done right before the buyout.

01:05:25.084 --> 01:05:26.364
If you got South Park and UFC, I'll watch it.

01:05:27.444 --> 01:05:31.304
Whoever's buying it. Because it basically, Order of Operations was canceled

01:05:31.304 --> 01:05:35.284
the night show. Yeah, that's right. That's right.

01:05:35.904 --> 01:05:42.604
Sealed the deal on South Park. Oh, okay. So I guess it went lawsuit, fired Stephen Colbert.

01:05:43.384 --> 01:05:47.504
South Park. South Park. UFC. UFC. That's fucking... And in between there might

01:05:47.504 --> 01:05:49.224
have been the finalizing the buyout.

01:05:49.284 --> 01:05:51.664
There's probably a ton of other things going on. Yeah, but those are like the

01:05:51.664 --> 01:05:53.204
big... Credit to the Skydance guys.

01:05:53.404 --> 01:05:55.684
They're doing their... Yeah, you know. They're making some money for a reason.

01:05:55.884 --> 01:05:56.824
Or they're giving it away.

01:05:56.824 --> 01:05:59.724
I don't know or losing him but but that said

01:05:59.724 --> 01:06:03.424
like you i mean dude like ufc on i'll the

01:06:03.424 --> 01:06:06.224
fans are going to go to wherever the ufc is well and it's going to be cool it's

01:06:06.224 --> 01:06:12.224
going to be you know like this is more steps towards like combat sports becoming

01:06:12.224 --> 01:06:18.244
like mainstream sports which is really cool for athletes in in that world right

01:06:18.244 --> 01:06:24.264
like ufc's doing all this thing you don't do pay-per-views for NFL games, right?

01:06:24.484 --> 01:06:30.964
So like once you have these sports where like they're just part of the regular

01:06:30.964 --> 01:06:32.984
ability to consume, right?

01:06:33.064 --> 01:06:35.644
Like you just have, they're just on TV basically.

01:06:36.104 --> 01:06:38.664
You were barriers to entry to get more eyes. More people are going to watch

01:06:38.664 --> 01:06:40.364
it. It's kind of like what we were talking about with Dimitri.

01:06:40.544 --> 01:06:45.104
Like it's not that it's, these sports are boring or don't have the ability,

01:06:45.264 --> 01:06:47.824
like because UFC BJJ will absolutely be on there, right?

01:06:47.924 --> 01:06:50.944
Like it's part of the brand. So it's not that these sports aren't.

01:06:51.512 --> 01:06:54.532
Valuable or interesting to people but like it's hard

01:06:54.532 --> 01:06:57.452
to watch because some we were even talking about before the show like you

01:06:57.452 --> 01:07:03.352
find out about a UFC BJJ card like while it's going on you know yeah they're

01:07:03.352 --> 01:07:06.492
like hey guys tune in and you're like whoa I didn't know this was happening

01:07:06.492 --> 01:07:11.212
I've got plans you end up watching it on YouTube later yeah seriously because

01:07:11.212 --> 01:07:14.612
you just don't know about or like they're weird days and times dude like like

01:07:14.612 --> 01:07:16.792
a Thursday night or like a Friday night and.

01:07:17.732 --> 01:07:21.792
That's fine I just don't always associate those days and times with like I'm

01:07:21.792 --> 01:07:24.772
watching combat sports yeah but if they throw this on and like there's like

01:07:24.772 --> 01:07:29.852
a UFC hour like every day like something you know something UFC is on like every

01:07:29.852 --> 01:07:32.392
day that would be cool how do you think this impacts something like flow sports

01:07:32.392 --> 01:07:36.012
who's been doing who's number ones for a while like if they're gonna get to where like,

01:07:36.512 --> 01:07:41.472
now there's a venue for like the same caliber of athlete to be on TV well I

01:07:41.472 --> 01:07:46.512
think it might kill them this might have been a big part of all those you know

01:07:46.512 --> 01:07:50.412
cause UFC did a bunch of exclusivity deals with these athletes,

01:07:50.912 --> 01:07:53.552
and they've been kind of scooping up some of these.

01:07:53.712 --> 01:07:56.332
They got Polaris.

01:07:58.032 --> 01:08:02.792
Polaris is on. Fight Pass. I think they're starting to scoop up.

01:08:03.172 --> 01:08:05.912
They're probably trying to corner the market. They're going to do what they

01:08:05.912 --> 01:08:09.012
did with the UFC when they bought up Pride and they bought up a bunch of...

01:08:09.912 --> 01:08:16.112
Maybe they've... It seems like they are making a major investment into the sport of Jiu-Jitsu.

01:08:17.152 --> 01:08:22.032
And yeah, it kind of sucks because it there's it's it's a two sided coin, right?

01:08:22.232 --> 01:08:28.232
It sucks because you have you're now limiting where athletes can go,

01:08:28.392 --> 01:08:33.492
which is the major issue with, you know, it's it's a false monopoly. It's.

01:08:34.327 --> 01:08:37.047
It is going to be the pinnacle and like that's where you can

01:08:37.047 --> 01:08:39.967
go to make money and they're going to start killing off other

01:08:39.967 --> 01:08:42.967
brands because now they have the money to control it

01:08:42.967 --> 01:08:45.707
um even if you can make money at other

01:08:45.707 --> 01:08:49.547
places they control like basically you're

01:08:49.547 --> 01:08:52.907
we're the only ones that anybody can watch right like that

01:08:52.907 --> 01:08:55.747
that's kind of what they did with mma like it was the

01:08:55.747 --> 01:08:58.407
biggest one it's the one where people see you so then the

01:08:58.407 --> 01:09:01.267
other other ones can't survive um so like

01:09:01.267 --> 01:09:04.247
technically there's competition but um but

01:09:04.247 --> 01:09:07.287
then also it's their their contracts have been

01:09:07.287 --> 01:09:10.607
their biggest thing which they have very restrictive contracts

01:09:10.607 --> 01:09:13.647
and like craig jones was very vocal

01:09:13.647 --> 01:09:16.807
about this because there's athletes who won't compete in his thing because they

01:09:16.807 --> 01:09:21.447
just signed with ufc like mikey tackett's probably tackett yeah probably uh

01:09:21.447 --> 01:09:23.987
but you know so all these guys that are they're gonna have to deal with that

01:09:23.987 --> 01:09:26.987
as far as i'm concerned because like what the ufc is going to be able to do

01:09:26.987 --> 01:09:30.427
with these guys is offer them a contract that i'm assuming is compelling enough

01:09:30.427 --> 01:09:32.767
money-wise they're like yeah Yeah, we'll be exclusive with you.

01:09:33.107 --> 01:09:36.827
And they'll make them actual big stars. Yeah. If they want to,

01:09:36.967 --> 01:09:39.187
which they can. It seems like they want to. That's what I'm saying.

01:09:39.247 --> 01:09:40.787
It's a really good opportunity.

01:09:40.927 --> 01:09:43.487
It's just this. It's a two-sided coin because it might also,

01:09:43.527 --> 01:09:47.847
it could either make the sport grow or it might make it grow,

01:09:47.867 --> 01:09:54.247
but only in the UFC's vein. And you start to see other stuff die off, which would be bad.

01:09:54.967 --> 01:09:57.687
True. That's my only, like, that's kind of where it's like, oh, well,

01:09:57.707 --> 01:10:01.227
it could make the sport huge and everything grows or

01:10:01.227 --> 01:10:04.347
the ufc grows and kind of then

01:10:04.347 --> 01:10:07.187
we're still we still have like the same amount of jiu-jitsu i know

01:10:07.187 --> 01:10:12.147
what you mean i just to i guess devil's advocate a little bit right craig is

01:10:12.147 --> 01:10:15.047
probably in a tough spot because he basically just launched cjr yeah and now

01:10:15.047 --> 01:10:19.687
he's going to compete with the ufc um the way i look at that is like the ufc

01:10:19.687 --> 01:10:24.567
like what what that really applies to is the athletes ufc signs and so if they're

01:10:24.567 --> 01:10:26.627
going to be pop you know offering the best exposure,

01:10:26.987 --> 01:10:30.527
money, and future opportunities for some athletes of a certain caliber,

01:10:30.527 --> 01:10:32.947
which my guess is going to be just the top athletes in the world, right?

01:10:33.661 --> 01:10:36.361
By the way, I bet you if that's going to be the case, Gordon's going over there

01:10:36.361 --> 01:10:40.201
pretty soon. Oh, we'll see. I mean, 100%. Now that we're talking about it,

01:10:40.281 --> 01:10:41.401
right? Like, where the hell else would he go?

01:10:42.761 --> 01:10:46.781
He needs international, like, big exposure. I mean, he's not going to go anywhere.

01:10:46.881 --> 01:10:49.401
He's not the biggest, you know, the best of the best. Well, that's how he should

01:10:49.401 --> 01:10:52.021
do it. I'm assuming those conversations are probably taking place.

01:10:52.361 --> 01:10:54.421
But, like, okay, so the UFC. I'm sure he likes Dana, too.

01:10:54.861 --> 01:10:57.381
They're probably. Yeah, yeah. Well, no, no, no, 100%. Yeah.

01:10:58.761 --> 01:11:00.961
But I'm sure that, okay, so if that's

01:11:00.961 --> 01:11:05.141
the case, then the UFC will start snatching up the top 1% of 1% guys.

01:11:05.821 --> 01:11:12.001
And then like your CJIs, your PGFs, your even ADCC, if the athletes maybe they

01:11:12.001 --> 01:11:14.801
really want are an exclusive contract to UFC, well, they're just going to have

01:11:14.801 --> 01:11:17.161
to find other athletes. And by the way, there are other athletes.

01:11:17.321 --> 01:11:19.481
Now, people will still be excited to watch that.

01:11:19.781 --> 01:11:22.861
Jiu-Jitsu's always got this subculture vibe to where people will continue to watch those brands.

01:11:23.461 --> 01:11:28.081
Maybe they won't be the top 1% of 1% of guys the UFC now owns.

01:11:29.221 --> 01:11:34.361
But the dozens if not hundreds of other elite level jiu-jitsu I could see I

01:11:34.361 --> 01:11:38.901
could see opening up more access to more athletes and perhaps athletes who get overlooked example,

01:11:40.081 --> 01:11:42.721
I don't know if you saw like the chat on Instagram recently like the last couple

01:11:42.721 --> 01:11:45.441
days with like a bunch of our buddies who are reposting this but like Cam Hurd

01:11:45.441 --> 01:11:48.421
for example won four ADCC tournaments in a row and they.

01:11:50.241 --> 01:11:53.661
The gripe that like a bunch of I mean the guys who I know who are close with

01:11:53.661 --> 01:11:56.501
him they were all posting this was like why the fuck isn't he getting a shout

01:11:56.501 --> 01:11:57.601
out on flow grappling right now.

01:11:58.101 --> 01:12:00.961
Because they're like my guess is that someone at flow grappling was being lazy

01:12:00.961 --> 01:12:03.721
and didn't do any research on the event just picked a couple names they saw they're like

01:12:03.721 --> 01:12:06.581
achilles hocho was there this person was there and they just because they pick names they

01:12:06.581 --> 01:12:09.421
tend to do that they write they write about the same 15 20 people

01:12:09.421 --> 01:12:12.281
because i just think i i don't know totally guess well

01:12:12.281 --> 01:12:15.221
and he's my guess is that he's been

01:12:15.221 --> 01:12:18.441
part of the winning team for pgf like he's accomplished it's

01:12:18.441 --> 01:12:21.661
just an example of like a guy who's just like got overlooked and

01:12:21.661 --> 01:12:24.401
my guess is it's not malice i think everyone's upset they're like why the

01:12:24.401 --> 01:12:27.241
fuck isn't why aren't you all giving cameron his fair share which is which

01:12:27.241 --> 01:12:30.261
is valid yeah and he deserves to be you know called out

01:12:30.261 --> 01:12:34.001
for his success um because he has been very successful but

01:12:34.001 --> 01:12:36.661
my guess is there's just like there's an inertia these guys are just used to talk about the

01:12:36.661 --> 01:12:39.381
same people and and like i said my my gut tells me maybe

01:12:39.381 --> 01:12:42.061
they're just not doing their journalism long enough to be like hey someone here needs

01:12:42.061 --> 01:12:45.161
to do a little more like put in a little more legwork the story is on camera they're

01:12:45.161 --> 01:12:47.841
not doing the they're not doing the deep digging that's just

01:12:47.841 --> 01:12:51.081
my guess i i don't know we could i actually know a dude uh at

01:12:51.081 --> 01:12:54.001
flow we could talk we should have him on sometime and have him maybe maybe we

01:12:54.001 --> 01:12:56.761
ask him grill him about it i mean you shouldn't grill him about it as a

01:12:56.761 --> 01:12:59.461
friend but we can we can ask him um hey man

01:12:59.461 --> 01:13:02.261
like how do you guys he's from here yeah he's from from dc oh yeah

01:13:02.261 --> 01:13:05.201
um but uh shout out to joe but um

01:13:05.201 --> 01:13:07.941
but anyways like the point i'm getting across is

01:13:07.941 --> 01:13:09.881
that my guess is that they're just like they're used to doing things a certain

01:13:09.881 --> 01:13:13.821
way but like how about guys like that maybe like maybe this now then means like

01:13:13.821 --> 01:13:16.921
those dudes have to become a little more competitive because flow has who's

01:13:16.921 --> 01:13:20.981
number one yeah they're in both the journalism game and also in the in like

01:13:20.981 --> 01:13:24.461
the event game and they promote and they pay athletes and it's like maybe this

01:13:24.461 --> 01:13:26.141
gets them to be like shit man like.

01:13:26.963 --> 01:13:29.183
Looking out for our interests. Like, there's more competition now and,

01:13:29.263 --> 01:13:30.363
like, real competition.

01:13:30.523 --> 01:13:34.103
The UFC, like, elite, professional, like, real business competition,

01:13:34.263 --> 01:13:37.443
not just, like, jiu-jitsu subculture shit. Yeah, I mean, that makes sense.

01:13:37.723 --> 01:13:41.283
Like, follow more dudes, give more people access, and you'll have exciting matches.

01:13:41.703 --> 01:13:45.363
Jiu-jitsu fans will still watch CGI. I always want to say CGI.

01:13:45.383 --> 01:13:48.923
It just sounds better. CJ, well, you know, whatever. If you're generating.

01:13:49.803 --> 01:13:53.403
The Craig Jones Invitational. People will still watch ADCC. It just may not be,

01:13:53.563 --> 01:13:56.703
like, the this like the the names you you really

01:13:56.703 --> 01:13:59.483
wanted because those guys are in the ufc now like you'll hire like the

01:13:59.483 --> 01:14:02.303
next like 20 30 awesome grapplers who aren't getting the

01:14:02.303 --> 01:14:05.383
exposure they deserve yeah so i mean that makes sense especially we were talking

01:14:05.383 --> 01:14:11.583
about like you know on the last episode you know healthy good more healthy competition

01:14:11.583 --> 01:14:16.323
creates better better opportunity like better just generally better everything

01:14:16.323 --> 01:14:20.063
right so you know hopefully hopefully that is the case you know and,

01:14:20.823 --> 01:14:26.623
And I just would not, I would hate to lose all these cool other outlets of jujitsu

01:14:26.623 --> 01:14:30.623
that have popped up over the past few years because of the U.S.

01:14:30.683 --> 01:14:31.363
You know, like, that's all.

01:14:31.623 --> 01:14:33.343
No, I'm with you. I don't think we're going to lose them. I don't think we will.

01:14:33.343 --> 01:14:35.583
I just don't think they're going to be big. I think they're used to being big

01:14:35.583 --> 01:14:38.463
dogs, like big fish in a small pond. And now they're not.

01:14:39.103 --> 01:14:43.563
Pond is not small anymore. Or it's getting bigger. And they're not going to be as big a fish.

01:14:43.623 --> 01:14:46.663
But they're not going to be small either. like if you do what we're talking about and like,

01:14:47.123 --> 01:14:50.283
you bring in like you just put a little more sunshine on the dudes that you

01:14:50.283 --> 01:14:54.243
can get your hands on it may not be the very I don't even want to say that like

01:14:54.243 --> 01:14:56.763
the very very best guys just could be like different dudes in different leagues

01:14:56.763 --> 01:15:00.543
you'll have a different pool that you're pulling from which would be cool I'd like to.

01:15:01.423 --> 01:15:06.823
See now by the way if the UFC gets so big that like we'll buy them too at least

01:15:06.823 --> 01:15:10.203
then we get like I think if it gets to that point that's indicative of it being

01:15:10.203 --> 01:15:13.863
mainstream kind of like they're like it's now Now it's mainstream that the UFC

01:15:13.863 --> 01:15:15.663
is willing to make the investment to get,

01:15:16.539 --> 01:15:18.919
Because what could happen with that could be like what happens in boxing where

01:15:18.919 --> 01:15:21.339
there's multiple different organizations with multiple different heavyweight

01:15:21.339 --> 01:15:22.999
champions, middleweight champions, and everyone's like, well,

01:15:23.019 --> 01:15:24.379
the champion over here is the champion over there.

01:15:24.419 --> 01:15:27.199
They're not going to fight each other until we have cross-promotion shit.

01:15:27.579 --> 01:15:30.259
But the UFC might just solve that problem. I'd be like, why don't we just buy all of them?

01:15:30.599 --> 01:15:37.119
And then we'll be the one league. Which is, it's not exactly like that in MMA because there is one.

01:15:37.339 --> 01:15:41.519
There are other ones, but they're like, no, and the champion in MMA fighting

01:15:41.519 --> 01:15:43.099
is the UFC champion. Everyone knows that.

01:15:43.319 --> 01:15:47.439
Yeah, that's generally regarded as the best of the best. You see what I'm saying? Yeah.

01:15:48.159 --> 01:15:53.139
But, I mean, I think it's cool. It's definitely a good step for the sport.

01:15:54.199 --> 01:15:59.799
I hope it remains overall good for the sport, which it should.

01:15:59.959 --> 01:16:03.679
But, you know, there's always, like, any time there's something like that.

01:16:03.899 --> 01:16:06.979
It's change, man. It's change. People get nervous with change, dude.

01:16:07.119 --> 01:16:10.379
And people, I mean, dude, for years we've been hearing people,

01:16:10.659 --> 01:16:13.779
everyone, like, kind of complained about how jiu-jitsu isn't mainstream and

01:16:13.779 --> 01:16:15.879
this and that. And now it's, like, actually going to become.

01:16:15.879 --> 01:16:19.999
Like it's looking like if the UFC continues to do this, they just got acquired.

01:16:20.239 --> 01:16:21.879
They made that deal with Paramount, like you said, and like,

01:16:21.999 --> 01:16:27.459
dude, like maybe this is the step where it's moving towards mainstream exposure

01:16:27.459 --> 01:16:29.779
and everyone's sort of like now we're getting it and everyone's kind of nervous

01:16:29.779 --> 01:16:31.959
about it, which again, it's just change. That's normal change.

01:16:32.859 --> 01:16:37.899
I'm not like super nervous about it. I just, I would like to see it like continue the right way.

01:16:38.079 --> 01:16:43.299
That's all. You know, you just, you always have to be when there's based purely on the UFC's,

01:16:43.359 --> 01:16:46.619
the way they've managed their you

01:16:46.619 --> 01:16:49.419
know which has been good for them but the way

01:16:49.419 --> 01:16:52.339
they've like done fighter contracts and you know

01:16:52.339 --> 01:16:56.199
it's just you have to be a little cautious about what that means for the rest

01:16:56.199 --> 01:17:00.999
of it but ultimately it should be good for the sport you know like the ufc has

01:17:00.999 --> 01:17:06.499
been overall good for mma oh yeah it's just it gets it makes the top of the

01:17:06.499 --> 01:17:10.839
sport the landscape of the top of of the sport becomes a little,

01:17:11.579 --> 01:17:18.059
bumpy because of the weight of like exclusivity that's all you know like you

01:17:18.059 --> 01:17:24.179
I think that BJJ has more potential of.

01:17:25.209 --> 01:17:28.929
Missing out on some of those matches than mma does like i feel like you can

01:17:28.929 --> 01:17:34.249
kind of agree that like we're not missing out on any matchups because of these

01:17:34.249 --> 01:17:38.829
like because of these contracts because like the top right now you can almost

01:17:38.829 --> 01:17:41.289
pretty much all the top guys are in the ufc right now,

01:17:41.949 --> 01:17:47.529
and you know and i think that there is some but obviously with time will tell

01:17:47.529 --> 01:17:52.009
i'm gonna say there some guys might not go into it because they can't do these

01:17:52.009 --> 01:17:54.009
other things that they want to do hey Hey, man, fair enough.

01:17:54.149 --> 01:17:55.429
Hey, look to your point, though, dude.

01:17:55.649 --> 01:17:58.669
Like, Tackett's aren't going to be in CGI this year. Yeah. Fuck,

01:17:58.709 --> 01:17:59.569
I like watching those guys.

01:18:00.209 --> 01:18:03.269
I'm not sure if the Rutolos are either. But I think they have a deal with one.

01:18:03.949 --> 01:18:07.049
But one let them, they had a deal with one when they fought in CGI last year.

01:18:07.089 --> 01:18:12.149
One is very, because that's done by Tom DeBlas.

01:18:12.769 --> 01:18:16.309
So he's their, like, matchmaker. He's the matchmaker. He was very,

01:18:16.309 --> 01:18:21.449
he's very vocal that he wants everyone, he doesn't, he wants people to be able

01:18:21.449 --> 01:18:23.029
to go and compete in all these other things.

01:18:23.029 --> 01:18:26.769
Okay so it's not exclusive because it shows like if they go and win those things

01:18:26.769 --> 01:18:31.369
it shows that like the guys in one are the best fair enough so he's actually

01:18:31.369 --> 01:18:35.549
because at the same time like hey if my guys are going and losing that also

01:18:35.549 --> 01:18:38.529
gives me talent right like you can find other guys oh they're losing to these

01:18:38.529 --> 01:18:41.349
guys let's try to get those guys in too so you know there's.

01:18:42.079 --> 01:18:45.219
UFC is the opposite because they want to protect the like

01:18:45.219 --> 01:18:48.039
the asset the peak of their how peak their brand

01:18:48.039 --> 01:18:50.799
is so they don't let guys go out and compete

01:18:50.799 --> 01:18:53.819
with people outside of the brand but you know whatever it's

01:18:53.819 --> 01:18:57.079
just two different schools of thought that is interesting and I hadn't thought

01:18:57.079 --> 01:19:00.179
of that but I just was purely a cemented note that I'm like I don't think that

01:19:00.179 --> 01:19:05.039
the Rutolos and I'm pretty I'm 99% sure the Tackett's like those two of the

01:19:05.039 --> 01:19:09.219
most exciting two sets of the most exciting guys in Jiu Jitsu for sure for me

01:19:09.219 --> 01:19:11.719
speaking like some of my favorites to watch

01:19:12.159 --> 01:19:15.439
not going to be in cji yeah that's kind

01:19:15.439 --> 01:19:18.579
of that you're right so like it was to what you were saying earlier it's like for it could

01:19:18.579 --> 01:19:21.379
be a combination of reasons might have nothing to do with the exclusivity although

01:19:21.379 --> 01:19:24.079
i do think the tackets are now signed with the ufc yeah i

01:19:24.079 --> 01:19:27.879
think it was probably that was probably going on so

01:19:27.879 --> 01:19:31.359
they were probably doing all that because i mean that what didn't just pop up

01:19:31.359 --> 01:19:35.119
no it's been going on for months so they knew prior you know i imagine they

01:19:35.119 --> 01:19:39.359
were already talking about it prior because mikey signed with them a while ago

01:19:39.359 --> 01:19:43.859
right so it was probably when Mikey signed that all this other stuff started

01:19:43.859 --> 01:19:45.099
getting worked out, right?

01:19:45.319 --> 01:19:49.459
Because I imagine he was always talking about this big thing coming up with UFC.

01:19:50.039 --> 01:19:55.159
I imagine that that was already probably set up so that they already knew they

01:19:55.159 --> 01:19:57.539
weren't going to be in CJI at that point, right? Like, probably.

01:19:57.799 --> 01:20:00.659
You think Derek Moneybird coached Musumiki?

01:20:01.299 --> 01:20:06.579
He's like, wait, you just wait. Yeah, I mean, he got a black belt in three and a half years, man.

01:20:06.719 --> 01:20:09.799
You know, he's a prodigy. Mikey said he's really smart.

01:20:11.039 --> 01:20:14.299
He probably is smart. I don't know. I don't know much about the guy.

01:20:14.439 --> 01:20:20.479
Smart enough to at least get a bunch of guys to validate his black belt at the bare minimum, right?

01:20:22.759 --> 01:20:25.459
That's right. He wears socks, dude, when he rolls. It's wild.

01:20:25.779 --> 01:20:28.519
Really? Have you seen him? No, I haven't seen him do anything. Ugh.

01:20:29.143 --> 01:20:36.223
Check it out maybe we'll get into a deeper discussion on it but like it's I want you to watch oh dude,

01:20:36.843 --> 01:20:41.603
watch some watch some of the videos and like let's do some let's do some background

01:20:41.603 --> 01:20:45.363
research on this so we're both in on it let's yeah I would I admit I'm not super

01:20:45.363 --> 01:20:48.743
educated on anything about the guy I just I do follow him on Instagram.

01:20:50.823 --> 01:20:53.603
And I've seen a bunch of I've seen posts and stuff but I don't know anything

01:20:53.603 --> 01:20:56.963
about him it seems like a lot of like the posts I see from him are more around

01:20:56.963 --> 01:20:58.703
like it's like your general like

01:20:59.143 --> 01:21:02.043
kind of like business expert instagram account that's

01:21:02.043 --> 01:21:06.043
like uh you know like scrolling on

01:21:06.043 --> 01:21:08.683
the internet or scrolling on instagram is not how you make it's it's like

01:21:08.683 --> 01:21:11.483
a lot of like slogany type of things for like productivity and like

01:21:11.483 --> 01:21:14.423
you gotta work hard like it's like this year's standard like business

01:21:14.423 --> 01:21:17.163
like meme account sort of thing with his name

01:21:17.163 --> 01:21:19.903
and his brand on it so i don't know anything about the guy other than that other

01:21:19.903 --> 01:21:23.943
than i've seen him he's talked to a bunch of dudes like elite jiu-jitsu

01:21:23.943 --> 01:21:27.903
players don't know don't know yeah um yeah

01:21:27.903 --> 01:21:30.663
so more to come we'll talk about

01:21:30.663 --> 01:21:33.903
that because i think there's i also have to do some research it's

01:21:33.903 --> 01:21:38.163
it's pretty fun before we like start deep diving because we're a little far

01:21:38.163 --> 01:21:42.403
into the episode to like to set the stage sure um i mean i wouldn't even know

01:21:42.403 --> 01:21:45.803
where to set the stage yeah i've heard well i i would i would set it but at

01:21:45.803 --> 01:21:48.823
this point maybe another time to describe it yeah fair enough i mean he got

01:21:48.823 --> 01:21:51.523
his black belt fast Yes, there was controversy to that.

01:21:51.703 --> 01:21:54.323
He's likened himself on Instagram to being like some big baller,

01:21:54.483 --> 01:21:56.603
rich guy, smart guy, businessman, successful type.

01:21:56.703 --> 01:21:58.803
So it's like, I think people are getting a little bit of heartburn with like

01:21:58.803 --> 01:22:00.643
this rich guy seems like he paid for a belt.

01:22:00.783 --> 01:22:04.623
I think that's like the, that's the general background.

01:22:05.083 --> 01:22:07.223
That's the controversy, right? Yeah, that's the controversy.

01:22:07.303 --> 01:22:09.483
But he's also like, but it's also part of his thing is he's like,

01:22:09.543 --> 01:22:12.423
he just is selling that he's like smarter and like more efficient than everyone.

01:22:12.543 --> 01:22:15.343
Thus, the business expertise thing. So it has, he applied that jujitsu.

01:22:15.663 --> 01:22:18.343
Ooh, questions out there. We don't know. We'll have to research.

01:22:18.343 --> 01:22:22.503
He's got sweet Moneyberg Rash guards Does he?

01:22:23.303 --> 01:22:26.863
They're not sweet But yes he has I'd be surprised if he didn't Rash guards Um,

01:22:27.604 --> 01:22:32.004
He made rash guards. Okay. But yeah, so we're up on time because like,

01:22:32.244 --> 01:22:34.324
otherwise this will turn into a two hour long episode.

01:22:35.644 --> 01:22:39.104
So we'll- I'm with you. So we'll wrap it here.

01:22:39.844 --> 01:22:43.504
But so, yeah. So thank you guys. If you guys have any thoughts,

01:22:43.684 --> 01:22:47.284
like we'd actually like to hear some thoughts on what you guys think.

01:22:47.484 --> 01:22:48.764
Is Jiu-Jitsu turning mainstream?

01:22:49.124 --> 01:22:52.704
So like hit us comments. Throw those in the comments. Throw those in the Discord.

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For those of you guys that aren't in the Discord,

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you can join that we have a link in the show notes for

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that um also follow on our

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instagram at fighters drinking coffee you

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can also follow scott and i individually uh but

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follow all of it follow everything uh at get sudsy and

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at scott dance bjj uh so you know come

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find us we post things sometimes uh

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we post shit we post stuff uh there's stuff posted on

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there um and also on the discord we have

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you know some links to some discounts and shit like

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that we're working on some cool stuff we just got these sweet those

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of you can see video oh yeah it'll be on

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the instagram we got these tanks fighters drinking coffee tanks

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so we'll be working on some more merch we got some stuff

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drawn up for that so um that will

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we'll post that on the instagram and the discord as well as they come

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up so you guys can get some cool fire drinking coffee merch uh

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but yeah as always this was fire drinking coffee thank you guys like follow

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subscribe rate and review that's the biggest one uh all those things help get

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us in front of more people help grow the show and the more people that are watching

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this the better it'll be as always bye.