(Ep 16) Behind the Grind: Passion, Coaching, and the Making of Champions w/ The Strong AF Club

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Welcome to Fighters Drinking Coffee. Today we are here with the hosts of the

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Strong AF Club podcast, Nate Craig and Asim Fayaz.

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Guys, welcome on. Hey, thanks so much. Looking forward to this collab episode, guys. Absolutely.

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This is exciting stuff. And by the way, y'all, so you hear some clanging and

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banging in the background, just like usual.

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I hear at Nova Barbell Club, people are putting in work, and today is no exception, guys.

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And we're literally sitting in the middle of the gym floor. Yeah,

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there's people working out. People are getting jacked as fuck.

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Yeah, people are deadlifting, all kinds of stuff right now. So this is pretty cool.

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We're in a different location than normal. So this is fun. We're about that life. Oh, yeah.

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Fully. Scott's hitting sets in between questions. That's right.

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I mean, we've got 405 on the bench right behind us. So you guys can't see.

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We're just hitting it. Watch me crush my throat with this 405.

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Taking turns saving each other's lives. Yeah. Well, maybe not, it seems. Yeah.

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So wait, did you guys roll today and do your typical call? Have you even had

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coffee today? I've had coffee. I've had coffee this morning. I did not roll.

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I woke up at, well, okay, so Shane Marshall. Yes.

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Crushed his fight last night. He's a champ now. Champ. He's a champ.

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Shout out, Shane. Cruiserweight champion.

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So I didn't get home until 3 a.m. Oh, God. Oh, God.

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But I had like an alarm set for 11. I was like, I'm going to get eight hours

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of sleep. I don't give a shit. Woke up at nine.

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And I was like, all right, dude, I'm up now. yeah and like

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you know zombie walked my way around made the

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coffee i did have coffee good and then i had two more

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shots of espresso and then i waited then i had two more shots of espresso good

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man and now here i am up until three in the morning i was hoping so yeah question

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how does shane do yeah give us a rundown yeah yeah yeah all right quick and

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to the point version shane's a mean dude.

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He's just a mean, violent dude in the best way possible. He's the best mean,

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violent dude I know. Super nice. You all know him. He's the man.

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But, okay, so for his fight,

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He, I say, I said that on purpose, right?

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Because skill-wise, he's developing really, really well. He's working his ass

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off all the time with Noel, with Charles.

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He's like, he's getting in and he's working with me and Mike.

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And like, we have, you guys know this. We have like a bunch of jujitsu black

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belts come through and train with us.

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By the way, real quick, sorry to interrupt. How long has he been training with

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you? I'm going to say four years.

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Oh, wow. Okay. Like not a crazy long time, a good amount of time,

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but not a crazy long time. I mean, he trains, you got four years, like full time. Yeah.

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So he's working a lot. I mean he had combat sports background he

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played football he's an athlete he's a marine that's like you know he's not

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we weren't starting from zero with the dude he's wrestled almost his whole life

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too yeah yeah he's he wasn't a blank slate but in an MMA setting martial arts

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setting kind of but like wrestling I mean it's a combat sport you guys get it

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but um anyways so this was his sixth fight he came out aggressive,

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striking really well um his opponent was a really good wrestler better than I thought I mean uh.

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Skilled, young, athletic guy, and Shane was hurting him on the feet.

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But in between banging this dude up, the other dude, when Shane would begin

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to continue to pressure, would start to crowd the guy. The dude would launch

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in and was getting good takedowns.

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He wasn't really doing much with the takedowns. He was getting Shane to the

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ground, but there wasn't much behind it.

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And this is what I was saying. Do you think that was just for points kind of

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thing? Like he was playing?

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Yeah, definitely. He was just getting rocked and playing the system?

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I think, yes, but... But I also think that's how that dude thought he was going to win.

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And by the way, if you're that guy, not a bad strategy. You're a wrestler. Oh, absolutely.

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Go win. And he was taking Shane down. He just wasn't doing much with it.

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And I've cornered lots of MMA fights.

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That's something we could talk about. Shane actually was talking to him.

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Bringing this up to me. He said, you all should talk about cornering and coaching

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styles for MMA versus BJJ. But that's a total sidebar comment.

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If we get bored, guys, we can always get into that. Absolutely.

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There's so many things we can talk about, too. But, like, I had a reason for

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bringing that up. I started being funny.

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What it was, what I was going to say there was that, fuck it,

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whatever, I'll just get back to the rant.

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So, dude's taking Shane down, but wasn't, this is what it was,

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he wasn't inflicting any damage.

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And, like, I've been to MMA fights where, like, I've watched guys out grapple

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other dudes in MMA fights, but don't land significant strikes, don't land damage.

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And that's one of the, I think it's the most significant like gradient of when

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you get to referee's decisions, they measure damage.

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Like that guy looks beat up. Oh, he got beat up. Yeah, spoiler alert.

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Like it ended, it ended rough for the other bro.

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Shane won definitively, but. Nice. Well, anyways, this guy's taking Shane down,

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but he's not really causing any damage.

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Shane's actually striking this dude off his back everywhere.

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Like I said, Shane's just mean, dude. He's like, I'm going to hurt this guy.

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I'm going to, he was going to find a way to win. That would kind of,

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for me, like my, my overall.

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Analysis of what Shane did a good job at the entire time was that he just was

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there to hurt this guy the whole time. He's like, I'm going to find a way to win. He kept hunting.

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And as I said, on the feet, he's causing damage. Other dude's not really producing

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any significant striking. The guy was throwing too.

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It wasn't like it was nothing, but it just wasn't as impactful as Shane's.

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But the dude did not want to bang with Shane on his feet, so he kept on dragging to the ground.

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And again, he did a couple times successfully. Shane kept fighting out,

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but he just was constantly looking for ways to win.

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Well, third round, Shane is in half-guard bottom because the guy like,

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you know, Shane comes out.

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And this other dude like athletic young gasses out by the third round he was

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first two rounds the guy was like fast sharp was like moving his body well when

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he went to execute these takedowns he did it pretty well pretty like,

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impressively good timing like bringing his whole body into it.

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And Shane told us it wasn't like it was a big strength advantage but the guy

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just knew how to move and use his body there's like a good amount of athleticism to that so anyways,

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third round Shane's still hitting the guy the guy rushes another

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takedown the guy does get it but this time shane's on his back half guard

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catches him in a kimura grip he's up in the corner right next

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to me and charles like i'm looking at him like i'm looking at you

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guys we're like face to face and he locks eyes

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with us and we talk him through the steps

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with this kimura grip to take it and i'm

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looking at my eyes i'm like you are going to keep like keep this grip

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don't you let go this group you keep

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this grip and so there's like this moment in half

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guard where i'm like telling them like if you shift your hips you move your

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body this kimura goes from just like something that's going to lock this guy

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down freeze him up which you're on your back like at the bare minimum that's

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super valuable right guy can't hit you if he's constantly if he's like basically

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holstered with this grip right goes from that to it becoming like an actual weapon,

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well he does it and then about four or five seconds later pop snaps the dude's

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arm dude I mean, obviously you should have tapped.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah. You should have tapped. Those videos are wild. It was gnarly. Yeah.

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So, real quick question. You said it was Shane's sixth fight,

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right? Yes. Do you know how experienced this other fighter was? The other guy was 2-0.

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Okay. Local guy. Yeah, not as experienced, like younger.

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And I imagine his team was trying to build up a rising star career kind of thing.

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I don't think they did enough research on Shane.

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No. They didn't, because that's a tough fight for this dude.

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And his prior two fights were against dudes not,

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Not the same caliber. Anywhere in the same league as Shane. Okay.

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Yeah. What weight class was this, by the way? This was cruiser weight.

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So Shane usually fights 205. He went down to 95. Yeah.

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Hey, shout out to Coach Asim. Yeah. Have you seen the side-by-side pitch? I did.

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Yeah. They were nice, dude. He looked so lean and mean.

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He was telling us, because this was by the third round, this other younger guy, by the way.

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Straight out of college. He won wrestling. Yeah. Tired. Tired.

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And Shane was like, I felt good.

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Actually, on that note, Asim, can you kind of tell us what did you sprinkle

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into his conditioning to kind

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of prep for that cut tell us so so without giving away all the free stuff.

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Barring the taper that we did for the last uh

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12 days to get him to the weight because keep

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in mind five and a half weeks ago he was 227 almost

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230 big boy and he was like 194 on

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weigh-in day he was 196 that morning when he texted charles and i before he

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went there to weigh it so that morning he woke up 196 one pound

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over surgical coach no no food drop

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no nothing it was just we're undefeated with these weight cuts charles

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was on the drive down too he was like dude you're so calm for

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a guy who's been cutting weights they got caught in traffic like why aren't

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you because we haven't we didn't starve him we didn't do any of that it was

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just pure water manipulation but also and how we kind of tapered out the lifting

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so he maintained his strength but we we broke up the training into three blocks

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block one brutal strength and power that's all we did the second block undeniable

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cardio and then the third block i love these adjectives.

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Dude you see my fight to win by the way i

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was in his ears and i told him i was like hey 20 bucks for every

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slam 100 bucks if you put him in the ceiling because that ceiling at

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fight was so low so i had side quests i had every fighter there

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going for a side quest anytime someone saw someone going for a

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throw just know i put a bounty out as soon as making

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it rain he's making it rain i was denboing the whole night i like

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this yeah exactly exactly yeah

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screw that purse we're gonna get more but no so essentially broke

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his fight his uh camp up into three sections where we focus on

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just strength if we want to get stronger um and fortify his body then we went

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into cardio because now it's go time we can't really spend too much time in

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the strength phase because we do that then we go into a taper he's just gonna

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be too beat up so we need his joints to recover go into that cardio phase and

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then when we taper his joint should be recovered so by the time he comes fight day he's gonna feel,

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completely recovered and get ready to go he's good man I was about to say apparently

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at work I saw him like two hours ago man and he's like just munching food he's like I feel fine.

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Yeah my body's fine yeah he texted us uh i think it was the morning of that

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later that night about how his weight jumped back up and he was like i'm not

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195 anymore he's like i'm not gonna tell you guys what i am though probably 215.

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Really yeah oh yeah he feels instagram he

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wouldn't crush tacos so he looked mean in those uh

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those photos that are all around instagram oh yeah dude he

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had abs man he was like captain america yeah he really does yeah

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so that's essentially how we uh we structure that the dude i mean

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perfect soldier everything you guys told him to do everything we told him

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to do it just everything did it to you no hesitation i've literally

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been eating the same thing every day really yeah without fail

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it's hilarious oh geez again shout out wild how

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much did he end up cutting 20 30 pounds yeah so he went from 227 230 ish to

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194 weigh-in day um in under six weeks ease uh without cutting without cutting

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food that's a big one because that's something you guys talked about in one

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of your podcasts previously is weight cuts especially for

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jiu-jitsu because it is different than mma and where where

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do you cut out food and when do you cut out water and which one is more

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beneficial because in my opinion cutting out the food too

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early just kills the energy because it takes longer to

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replenish those glycogen stores than it does to replenish water so

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i think water manipulation is way easier to come back from whereas if you just

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deplete that food all week you're faded the fatigue sets into yeah the fatigue

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comes on quick when you cut weight if it's not done the right way how what you've

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done a lot of fights both of you have i've done bad weight cuts i've done in

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between a lot of in between weight cuts and some good weight cuts coach.

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And oh yeah dude and it's it's in a room boys you know it's like i remember

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i remember when i was like where's their hands early on when i was a black belt

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and i was like doing a bunch like these were like more on the shittier end of

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the spectrum for weight cuts it was a lot of like.

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Dieting and you just have this meathead mentality of like it's just gonna suck i'm

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gonna train through it's gonna suck and you're like fuck yeah dude like you're

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sucking is part of the process it doesn't suck it doesn't

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count you do it may be some of that i remember some of that kind of

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being valuable but like it ends that ends fast to where you're

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like yo man it's just i'm over it yeah well and like

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you're also you you be when you lose weight

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depending on how armored up you are like you become more injury

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prone absolutely like i remember cutting like

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actual calories for weight cuts and i was just i felt brittle

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i would get in i didn't even think about that because you come you become

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like a beef jerky at the end of that you know you're just so easy to break and

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that was um also i think 24 hour weigh-ins versus

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day of because like say ibgf or you're weigh in then you're in

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the bullpen and then you go straight to it versus something like what

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shane did where it's 24 hours i think the protocol is

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different there too as well so much different yeah but the

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24 hour this i mean 12 hours there's so much you can do there uh what

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grappling industry is morning of and most people fight in the afternoon you

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can do the day you can do the day before grappling industries so when they have

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the two-day events you can weigh in on the first day even if you're competing

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on the is your grappling still thing they think they bring it back they well

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yeah they're not here right now but if they're coming back i think they're coming

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because that was a 24-hour weigh-in. I remember that.

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They were done. I literally just put on a thermal, turned the heat up in my

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car and just drove there. Yeah.

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And I think I weighed in at 159 and I was like 170 by the next day.

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I just swept my way there. We used to do a lot of US crap. Yeah, back in the day.

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Because it would happen right here all the time. 24-hour weigh-ins are luxurious.

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Oh my God. Best. They're luxurious.

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Day of sucks. But if it's like crap, I don't, by the way, I just,

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whatever uh i have like a no grappling industries policy personally

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yeah i don't like them but they have really good matches i just

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don't like the way they run the tournaments because you get pushed

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back a couple hours dude it's i was supposed to go to the next thing

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you know i'm at six yes it pissed me off man like during the pandemic there

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was one where they like and i get it there weren't a

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lot of tournaments and they were like it's a business they want to make money man

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they were they were because of the massive demand

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of people wanting to go do jiu-jitsu tournaments and the quite limited

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supply of them they'd overbooked and

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like the smooth comp started like spitting out matches that

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were going to like 2 or 3 a.m in the morning yeah no people

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are pulling mats up as so layla's last match she did

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last summer she fought and they pulled

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up all the mats they turn off the tvs mid-match so they ran out of time so she's

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in the finals and or semis and she's mid fight and the tvs go blank no score

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no fucking time no nothing everyone's like whoa what just happened because they're

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breaking down all the mats and the women are still going um yeah no it's.

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They i personally from a viewer standpoint hate

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watching jiu-jitsu matches unless it's like a client or a friend or

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a teammate that's competing because like you don't know how long that's

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a whole day event you're the whole day's scrapped you get there you

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think they're fighting at one o'clock it's now five o'clock it's logistical chaos

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yeah and it's a it's like a pain in the ass to like

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it just i don't they're not reliable i don't know how fight to

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win made that work by the way well seth is on top of his shit seth

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does so many events he's locked

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in like he's done this i mean he's probably done this almost like i mean i would

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i don't think it's a stretch to say maybe thousands of times at this

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point because he does like at least

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there was one point time he's doing like two or

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three a month that's insane it's insane it's like

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a road show bro like he's all over the country so that

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sounds exhausting oh i think he's tired yeah yeah

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i mean i think he knows he knows how many

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people he can book and still put on a good show too

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whereas i think you run into that with like the grappling industries and a lot

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of those other tournaments where they just want to get as many people in as

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possible so that they can fill out divisions and don't actually think about

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how long is this going to take um because yeah i had the same experience as

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layla where i'm having my match and they're cleaning up at the same time.

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They're moving you while you're trying to get warmed up and you know I think

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it's cool this year too in 2025,

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is the emergence of all these other competitions because there's a lot

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more happening we got fight to win we got US grappling COPA seems

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to happen way more often than I remember maybe that's just me being more privy

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to social media but I'm seeing like there's another COPA two just got announced

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right there was one yesterday oh you know another COPA elite yeah another COPA

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elite COPA just a regular COPA has happening so they're happening more often

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NGA now they're popping up so they have what three tournaments on the schedule

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before winter or before fall.

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And the fight twins back here there's a lot more opportunity now so everyone's

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kind of spreading out throughout yeah it's getting a lot better the final thing

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just to give I'll give one.

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Bit of credits grappling industries the matches themselves are good they attract

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good athletes because i think people know grappling industries and you'll when

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you get to the match you'll have a good competitor like

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they get a good group of people

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together like they attract good good athletes i'll just put it

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bluntly um so there's that everything else

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around it grinds my gears and so i tell

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my guys there are black belts too yeah no again like once you

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get to that point it's not so bad i just i told my guys i'm like i don't

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go to them if i go to them and it's just going to be like i decided

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to do it it's sort of like how i feel yeah but you all can go get

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your matches it's just we're probably gonna go for a team

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a team sanctioned thing if you think of it that way

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we're going to copas we're going to be real

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deep dude right and we bring like a yeah like 40 something people that copa

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that was insane yeah like 48 yeah i remember a fight fight to win it was like

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a fucking party it was a party i feel like for the athletes that's important

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i've seen that support you got all your boys there and quick question for those

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viewers that aren't necessarily active competitors and whatnot.

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I like hearing you guys talk about the different weigh-in times and whatnot.

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And you said a 24-hour weigh-in is luxurious.

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Does that mean they're weighed in 24 hours before the event and then they can

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kind of fuck around and eat whatever they want?

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You probably shouldn't eat whatever they want. Maybe not whatever they want,

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but you know what I mean. Yes, yes.

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That's the point. You can cut more and then recover from the cut.

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So our, again, outsider's perspective, oopsies, is it.

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Are maybe some of the more elite tournaments and whatnot that

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are hard to get into and maybe invitation only kind of thing are those

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typically not 24 hour or is there it seems

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like there's no standardization necessarily with cc is 24 and main character

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is 24 okay uh so a lot more of these like pay televised flow grappling ones

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are 24 i mean you get crazier fights you get better you get better products

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man yeah it's like if you think about the product that like a viewer is watching

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it it makes it better for these athletes to have that time to perform at their best.

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So you're trying to like- They're coming in like- Fed. Nutrient fed.

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And they're looking big, they're looking powerful. That's another thing about it is they look like-

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Imposing pro athletes when they have 24 hours to

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recover if you guys were to host your own kind of tournament what

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would you do would you do it depends on the

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format right like if like okay like if you're gonna do like a like a

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like a show kind of like fight to win or main character or something like that

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i think you do the 24 again if you're bringing in like high level talent and

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you're trying to put out like an exciting match that the jujitsu world wants

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to pay a few bucks to stream and watch i think you got to do that i think you

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got to do that or you can just do like It depends on the matchmaker.

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The matchmaker knows, hey, you two weigh the exact same thing.

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Do you guys want to cut to the same thing or walk into the same thing?

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You tell me. You can handle a couple different ways.

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Versus a tournament, for example. A tournament, in my opinion,

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also did if I was hosting a tournament? Dude.

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48-hour wins for everybody. You're welcome, athletes.

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That's like some UFC shit where they give you 36 hours, but that's another one where they want...

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They want to put on a show. athletes putting up

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getting paid a lot of money and like they're selling pay-per-views man

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they need you gotta make weight so these people cut massive because i mean now

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we're talking about money like big money on the line and he's which then means

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that these guys are trying to be as competitive as possible so they're going

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to be as huge as possible to get to as small as possible like just like on the

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razor's edge i mean just what their body is capable of and then,

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refill up like mike said show up to battle effective and

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like one person can't be like a skeleton and one dude can't

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be like fucking hulk right and then i mean that happens

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sometimes but like you need the product to

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be exciting so people will spend the 120 bucks or

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whatever the hell it is to like with like 10 friends right you

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know what i mean absolutely times a million around the world or whatever and

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like make some fucking money yeah like an example from last from ufc last night

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um time-wise ufc 316 kayla harrison was 179 on fight night that's her weight

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class 135 135. Huge, by the way.

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179? Yeah. Have you seen Kayla? She's 179. Dude, have you seen Kayla Harrison?

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Fought at 135. Well, she used to do... I think that was the number I had.

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She is fucking... Good Lord. Gido Olympian. I'm never sure of this period.

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She is fucking jack. Can't be having that.

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That's crazy. She's a unit, dude. She's got traps or... Yo, yo.

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179 with no body fat is huge. Oh, yeah.

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So the 20... I think it was the 24-hour check-in or the midweek check-in,

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she was bigger than all the other bantam weights on the card so

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that including how tall is she she made weight she won the chance she won the

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strap uh i don't know it's a good question i don't know i don't know i don't

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know all of her her stats that was just a physical monster six foot like us

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or yeah i don't think so i don't think so you're really milking the not having video.

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That's crazy. But you know what would be great, though? The C tournament,

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Jiu-Jitsu tournament, where they did the whole purse thing where they incentivized

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each athlete to sell tickets so they bring their group.

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Because I noticed in tournaments that they do that and there's more of their

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team, their crowd. They fight harder.

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But then to offset the whole, like, I don't want to lose, let me stall,

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bring in some of the ADCC stuff where you get penalized for retreating,

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penalized for slowing down, and they force action.

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If you can merge those two together, holy fuck.

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Fight to Win does a good job at, They offer commissions for ticket sales for

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guys. Yeah. I think part of it is.

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That's how Operation Octagon used to do it too. Really? Back in the day.

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I haven't heard that name in so long. That's like the fourth time I've heard

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it this week. I didn't know what it was. We were talking about it yesterday.

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Then Charles referenced it yesterday. He's like, Operation Octagon.

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I was like, dude, that's weird. Like twice in one day.

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You would mention it. Throwbacks, dude. It is a throwback. But yeah,

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I mean, I like that too. Plus it gives, it just makes a lot of sense,

00:22:02.805 --> 00:22:04.025
right? Like the promoter needs to make money.

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The promoter's willing to pay an athlete. like it's these things

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are not usually big cash machines they don't just have money just

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to throw it the athletes a lot of times but it's a no-brainer way

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to say hey look man like we need to make money it'd be cool to pay you guys you

00:22:16.245 --> 00:22:18.945
get what you give we want to pay yeah we want to pay can you can you

00:22:18.945 --> 00:22:22.805
stuff the room with your folks the tricky thing with fight to win is the amount

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of activity they have and sometimes like they came to us on relatively short

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notice like i found out like 10 days before my match i was getting a match um

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oh wow we sold quite a few tickets though but either way if you have just a

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little more lead-in time. And then, like, you know, perfect world.

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It was packed. It was, honestly, it was a great show. It was like 500 people

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or something. It was a great show. It really was.

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But, um, we're in a good area, too. Like, there's a lot of, like,

00:22:44.945 --> 00:22:45.905
there's a lot of teams here.

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Yeah. And, like, it's D.C. Like, you can get guys from, people will travel from

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pretty much all over the East Coast.

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I mean, Seth brought a few dudes from his team who were, like,

00:22:53.325 --> 00:22:55.265
working the event who were good jiu-jitsu athletes. He's like,

00:22:55.345 --> 00:22:57.185
yo. Didn't some of them fight, too? Yeah. I think that's what I'm saying.

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He threw some bros in there. They're good.

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I think a couple ladies too but like point being like I want to say he's based

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out of like either Colorado or maybe like Vegas or something like that but like.

00:23:08.325 --> 00:23:11.185
West western United States but he brings a crew with him to run the show

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sometimes they get some action too I think that's a little more like hey kind

00:23:14.325 --> 00:23:18.165
of like role playing like yo we need someone to finish third to tie off this

00:23:18.165 --> 00:23:21.165
one match over here against a local guy this guy's bringing like eight people

00:23:21.165 --> 00:23:24.225
or whatever like we can't we can't lose a fight yeah can you step in one of

00:23:24.225 --> 00:23:28.805
those and he's got a game group of folks who will do it um but it's like it's it's um,

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It's a lean operation, but imagine if they give you like six to eight weeks.

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I mean, that's a lot. But like maybe even a month.

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Maybe a little production value. There was one point, like this was years ago,

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man, where he had, and I was on like a pretty good winning streak.

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And he'd put me and this dude, Billy Wolk, a Philadelphia guy, is like on the main card.

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And Wagner Hoecher's on the card versus JT Torres. Yeah. Oh, dude. Yes. Yes.

00:23:54.900 --> 00:23:57.280
It was a big, it was like, but it was like, I think this was when like fight

00:23:57.280 --> 00:24:00.120
tune was really growing a lot too. And he threw, he threw in like a lot of promos.

00:24:00.220 --> 00:24:02.860
He had like clip promos of me, clip promos of Wagner.

00:24:03.000 --> 00:24:05.540
I felt awesome. I was like, I'm on the same clip promos, Wagner and JT.

00:24:05.700 --> 00:24:07.000
These guys. Yeah. That was sweet.

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Um, but like a little bit of like, just a little bit of like marketing and push

00:24:10.880 --> 00:24:14.040
too. And like all of a sudden, then like you're getting those 500 people,

00:24:14.120 --> 00:24:14.940
maybe it's like seven or 800.

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No, that might be the difference between him, him basically paying to run the

00:24:20.680 --> 00:24:23.460
organization and him getting paid, you know, a good amount.

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I'm sure he does. All right. But like that little difference could be like that

00:24:28.860 --> 00:24:29.800
could be him getting like, all right.

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Now I'm like, now I'm making some damn money. Taking things to the next level sort of thing.

00:24:33.120 --> 00:24:35.040
I mean, he's really, I love what he's doing to be continued doing.

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I think he loves it though.

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He loves it. And that is a perfect segue. Oh. Uh-oh.

00:24:39.060 --> 00:24:42.620
Right into the actual question we want to talk about today is taking your passion

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and turning it in to your job.

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So I think everyone here is no stranger to this. We all fell in love with either

00:24:49.840 --> 00:24:52.080
lifting or jujitsu or both at some point.

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And then eventually it became our jobs. I'm curious from your guys,

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I think we may have talked about it on one of our previous episodes.

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A non-released episode. A non-released episode, yes. The forbidden episodes.

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We don't talk about that.

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Join our Patreon. When we make a Patreon. That's right.

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How has, first, take me through the arc of you were training,

00:25:11.280 --> 00:25:14.960
and then eventually you're coaching, and then eventually you're in the ownership

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route, and now your training becomes a job.

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How did that affect you? How did it affect your training? And then how did you

00:25:21.660 --> 00:25:26.900
reignite that fire? because I think all of us fell to the same issue,

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which is it became a job. Yeah.

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Which sometimes can suck the life out of the fun of why we did it in the first

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place. Yeah. I'm actually on my third round of passion to work.

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You're on your third season. This is my third round of following passion again.

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Welcome back. I have a lot. Let me stretch out for this question and answer.

00:25:49.380 --> 00:25:54.280
That one's a really good topic. All right.

00:25:55.180 --> 00:25:58.780
You know, I guess the first thing is, where do you want me to start?

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You asked a couple of questions in that.

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You're like starting, you kind of framed it around training.

00:26:02.100 --> 00:26:05.020
Yeah, let me just kind of like give you like a spark notes of mine to kind of give you.

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Yeah, so essentially coaching, training, that ended up leading into me first training.

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And then it eventually led into people being like, hey, can you train me?

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And then I started coaching.

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And then coaching became a thing where I'm like, in my mind,

00:26:18.720 --> 00:26:21.740
everyone told me this wasn't possible to be like a full-time job, make it a career.

00:26:22.000 --> 00:26:24.080
This is always like a side thing you do on the side of college.

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So I'm doing that. And eventually things started picking up and I'm like,

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oh, this can actually be a real thing.

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And then I start coaching more and more and more. And at the time,

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I'm still competing. I was very active in competing.

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And now the competition was less for about fun and more of like,

00:26:39.280 --> 00:26:43.140
I need to hit these accolades to prove myself that I am a good coach because

00:26:43.140 --> 00:26:45.640
I also need to put it and get the medals, et cetera.

00:26:46.920 --> 00:26:49.720
And then eventually it just turned into a point where I'm coaching,

00:26:49.920 --> 00:26:52.480
I'm competing, I'm lifting. But now the pressure of competing well,

00:26:52.780 --> 00:26:54.580
lifting well, did two things.

00:26:55.120 --> 00:26:59.780
Killed the passion. And it stopped, I don't want to say it stopped me from being

00:26:59.780 --> 00:27:02.920
able to explore different ways of training and different things,

00:27:03.020 --> 00:27:08.020
but definitely made it harder to take a step back and do things I sucked at

00:27:08.020 --> 00:27:10.080
because I was always in this performance mindset.

00:27:10.780 --> 00:27:14.780
And I think that stalled my potential heavily. And then it got to a point where

00:27:14.780 --> 00:27:18.560
I was coaching so much that it actually made training not enjoyable because

00:27:18.560 --> 00:27:20.300
it felt like I was just, because I would,

00:27:20.740 --> 00:27:22.960
the way I would describe it to people, because a lot of people say,

00:27:23.100 --> 00:27:25.860
they look at our jobs like, Like, this is amazing. You get to do your passion every single day.

00:27:26.080 --> 00:27:27.400
Well, but you love it. Yeah, but you can always tell you that.

00:27:27.420 --> 00:27:29.400
And it's like, well, let me paint a picture for you. Imagine you're in your

00:27:29.400 --> 00:27:30.820
cubicle all day working with your coworkers.

00:27:31.380 --> 00:27:33.900
And then with those same coworkers, you change your clothes.

00:27:33.900 --> 00:27:37.060
You go back to the cubicle. And now you do your activity with those same coworkers.

00:27:37.460 --> 00:27:40.600
And then you change your clothes again and do your next activity with the same coworkers.

00:27:41.140 --> 00:27:43.840
You're doing everything all day, every day, in the same four walls.

00:27:43.880 --> 00:27:45.600
It gets mind-numbing after a while.

00:27:46.460 --> 00:27:49.120
So I had to find new ways, especially when I stopped competing.

00:27:49.180 --> 00:27:50.820
Because the last time I competed in anything was 2019.

00:27:51.320 --> 00:27:54.940
So for me it was like i had to re and reinvent

00:27:54.940 --> 00:27:57.540
that like love cycle with what i

00:27:57.540 --> 00:28:01.020
was doing to come back to it and have it not feel like a job more fun

00:28:01.020 --> 00:28:03.980
again um but that took i mean i've been doing this 15 years

00:28:03.980 --> 00:28:07.080
that took a long time i would say i probably figured that out three years ago

00:28:07.080 --> 00:28:11.880
two years ago but i went through like a six year five year lull of uh fuck dude

00:28:11.880 --> 00:28:15.720
lifting training everything is just like a drain because it feels like a job

00:28:15.720 --> 00:28:22.260
it's a laser of love yeah so for you and that you kind of fell out in love with the training,

00:28:22.340 --> 00:28:25.180
coaching, that kind of stuff? What got you back in it? Or are you still in a lull?

00:28:25.880 --> 00:28:30.020
No, I'm back out of the lull, definitively now. And I see the passion for it

00:28:30.020 --> 00:28:32.820
because now I don't get the drive and excitement through my own.

00:28:33.100 --> 00:28:36.900
It's now when everyone else hits their accolades and their PRs and their medals, et cetera.

00:28:37.460 --> 00:28:41.280
It's, if not the same, probably more of a high. Like Shane winning his fight.

00:28:41.360 --> 00:28:42.920
You're just like, oh yeah, all that work.

00:28:43.040 --> 00:28:46.020
Yeah, dude, we're sitting there watching Kim, Shane, everybody,

00:28:46.180 --> 00:28:48.880
Philippe, everyone compete yesterday, had the phone out. And then every time

00:28:48.880 --> 00:28:49.520
they would do something,

00:28:50.058 --> 00:28:53.138
Let's get a drink. Let's chill. This is a good night. You need like multi-screens.

00:28:53.278 --> 00:28:55.718
Yeah. I was going to say, I imagine he has like a bat cave.

00:28:55.838 --> 00:28:59.358
There's a bat cave for watching all those spiders. Imagine getting like Alpatine in the back. Yeah.

00:29:01.118 --> 00:29:05.018
World domination. But no, man. The MVBC command center. Exactly.

00:29:05.038 --> 00:29:08.998
We need one of those. We can put one up there. I might not ever leave. Yeah. That'd be sick.

00:29:09.358 --> 00:29:12.778
Yeah. See, then we're back to the same cycle. I like that. But what about for

00:29:12.778 --> 00:29:14.238
you guys? Yeah. So how is it? It's this.

00:29:14.738 --> 00:29:17.478
I mean, yeah. Well said, by the way. Yeah. i get it

00:29:17.478 --> 00:29:20.738
man i uh i can relate um how

00:29:20.738 --> 00:29:23.718
long have you been training first 20 years how

00:29:23.718 --> 00:29:28.318
long have you been coaching 18 years and then how long have you been in ownership

00:29:28.318 --> 00:29:33.178
eight years okay perfect just for just for reference for the viewers just for

00:29:33.178 --> 00:29:38.218
reference but i mean dude okay so yeah i mean very interesting subject and in

00:29:38.218 --> 00:29:42.998
a lot of ways it is the same like arc of experience and,

00:29:43.598 --> 00:29:49.578
relationships with the, the requirements of all of these different roles, because I think,

00:29:50.818 --> 00:29:53.358
too, dude, I have a lot to say. I'm going to try to make it all make sense.

00:29:54.718 --> 00:29:57.238
But this, I'll start with the eight years. I'll work backwards.

00:29:57.838 --> 00:30:02.578
The eight years of, of business ownership, you very much like you,

00:30:02.638 --> 00:30:05.838
you, you, I think there's always that, like, here's the thing.

00:30:05.898 --> 00:30:08.898
I bet you've never left the gym in the last like 15 years, right?

00:30:09.038 --> 00:30:09.938
And I've never left the gym either.

00:30:10.098 --> 00:30:12.818
So I think at the end of the day, even like maybe looking back i

00:30:12.818 --> 00:30:15.658
find myself also in a very good like healthy balance of

00:30:15.658 --> 00:30:18.578
like passion excitement about all the different roles that

00:30:18.578 --> 00:30:21.158
i have like hats that i wear or whatever right i'm in a

00:30:21.158 --> 00:30:23.798
good spot with it but um yeah i mean there are times where it

00:30:23.798 --> 00:30:26.498
becomes very taxing you kind of

00:30:26.498 --> 00:30:29.038
have to remember like why you're doing it what you're doing and the other thing

00:30:29.038 --> 00:30:32.698
too is like again looking back on i don't i've always been in the gym i haven't

00:30:32.698 --> 00:30:36.618
taken time off which i think tells me like yeah i've always enjoyed it even

00:30:36.618 --> 00:30:40.458
the times where you're like this is fucking difficult because it's work it becomes

00:30:40.458 --> 00:30:44.298
work it comes it comes at you quick yeah where that passion um.

00:30:45.359 --> 00:30:50.219
It fizzles out a little bit, man. And you have to like, but it's,

00:30:50.219 --> 00:30:52.319
it's, it's, again, it's like, it's very hindsight of me to say this,

00:30:52.399 --> 00:30:55.659
but like, I mean, I was always on the mat, even on like the days where I'm like,

00:30:55.719 --> 00:30:57.879
this is fucking a grind and I just still did it.

00:30:58.019 --> 00:31:01.599
So I still liked it. You almost end up in like a loop of burnout. No, totally.

00:31:01.879 --> 00:31:04.919
Yeah. But, but I guess, but that, but like, I always wanted to do it.

00:31:05.019 --> 00:31:07.359
You always probably wanted to be here doing something, something physical,

00:31:07.599 --> 00:31:10.439
pushing weight, being in the way, being in the room with your, with your, your team.

00:31:10.919 --> 00:31:16.259
Um, but yeah, to be specific, let's like, okay. So in 2017, when we launched

00:31:16.259 --> 00:31:20.099
district martial arts, it was around the time to, I was a new black belt and

00:31:20.099 --> 00:31:22.019
I really wanted to start competing a lot more.

00:31:22.339 --> 00:31:25.359
I had been competing a little bit. Like we were doing a lot when I was a brown belt, a lot.

00:31:25.599 --> 00:31:31.159
And, um, but it wasn't also like the most, um, organized a lot like our podcast

00:31:31.159 --> 00:31:34.319
and, um, intentional and strategic. But I was like, you know what?

00:31:34.379 --> 00:31:37.159
Like I, I hadn't competed at that point in many years.

00:31:37.299 --> 00:31:39.419
And I remember at a certain point telling myself, I'm like, you just got to

00:31:39.419 --> 00:31:44.659
go do it and go eat even if it's not like the most strategic version like i

00:31:44.659 --> 00:31:47.419
guess i gotta go get reps yeah let's get a lot of the same reasons like i want

00:31:47.419 --> 00:31:48.579
to be able to validate what i'm doing.

00:31:49.379 --> 00:31:52.099
And demonstrate value to people it's always

00:31:52.099 --> 00:31:54.939
sunny yeah demonstrate value in this system

00:31:54.939 --> 00:31:57.619
you gotta like prove the concept you want to prove the concept a little bit

00:31:57.619 --> 00:32:00.399
and and also just like you have your own personal it's not just that it's like

00:32:00.399 --> 00:32:03.339
it excites me i want to do it i want to go win some things i want

00:32:03.339 --> 00:32:06.479
to test myself um i also think we talked about

00:32:06.479 --> 00:32:09.299
this on one of the podcasts recently too where it's like it also helps you become a

00:32:09.299 --> 00:32:12.219
better instructor too to understand like when you have to do something

00:32:12.219 --> 00:32:15.619
right if you if you have something that you

00:32:15.619 --> 00:32:18.419
can convey to your to your students is maybe

00:32:18.419 --> 00:32:22.099
more martial artsy version but same thing for lifting too like you got to end

00:32:22.099 --> 00:32:26.559
up either do it or you don't either you don't right but um you either win the

00:32:26.559 --> 00:32:29.259
match or you don't like you have i i wanted to get a better understanding of

00:32:29.259 --> 00:32:34.399
that thing i'm conveying to people i thought that like competing it served multiple

00:32:34.399 --> 00:32:35.899
purposes one like it's good for the business.

00:32:36.099 --> 00:32:38.179
I can, I can prove to people that like, we have something that,

00:32:38.199 --> 00:32:40.019
that we have a winning concept here.

00:32:40.379 --> 00:32:43.359
I want to do it for myself. And then I want to be able to explain it to my,

00:32:43.479 --> 00:32:48.099
my customers. Like this has been tested. This shit will, it'll get the job done.

00:32:48.599 --> 00:32:51.559
Um, so all of, all of those things, but at the time when I was competing,

00:32:51.679 --> 00:32:55.059
like I was saying, it was like a little bit like, kind of like wild,

00:32:55.219 --> 00:32:58.559
but I was going out and I was getting that experience also in that position

00:32:58.559 --> 00:33:00.339
too. Like I, my, my coaches were remote.

00:33:00.479 --> 00:33:03.339
Like I wasn't direct. I wasn't just kind of doing it by myself, right?

00:33:04.048 --> 00:33:06.848
I know so which is another thing we could talk about another

00:33:06.848 --> 00:33:09.708
time absolutely even if we were competing at the same even if

00:33:09.708 --> 00:33:12.448
we were going to the same events we were usually competing at

00:33:12.448 --> 00:33:15.108
the same time too so we were both just on the

00:33:15.108 --> 00:33:18.188
mat solo like both not a huge support system right

00:33:18.188 --> 00:33:24.628
gutsy how has coaching and competing changed especially for this how has coaching

00:33:24.628 --> 00:33:29.888
changed the way you look at jiu-jitsu but also how you compete because like

00:33:29.888 --> 00:33:34.108
for me i'm a firm believer of coaching made me better because it makes you cut

00:33:34.108 --> 00:33:37.648
out the fat and realize what is the actual key points to actually focus on.

00:33:37.768 --> 00:33:42.688
What are the principles of, uh, that you need to focus on that makes this specific thing work?

00:33:42.828 --> 00:33:46.428
Oh, I agree with that for sure. So how has it, how did it affect your competing?

00:33:46.768 --> 00:33:50.428
Like, do you think it, uh, do you think it allowed you the space to be a little

00:33:50.428 --> 00:33:54.748
bit more loose and try things? Or do you think it kind of forced you into showcasing?

00:33:55.368 --> 00:33:58.928
I think it's simplified everything for me. So on my end,

00:33:59.068 --> 00:34:02.408
like rather than trying to pick up

00:34:02.408 --> 00:34:05.688
all the flashy things I'm more focused

00:34:05.688 --> 00:34:08.848
on developing the system that works for me and

00:34:08.848 --> 00:34:12.548
that also translated into coaching because rather than

00:34:12.548 --> 00:34:15.628
trying to teach a bunch of different stuff I try

00:34:15.628 --> 00:34:18.828
to focus on like specific very in most of

00:34:18.828 --> 00:34:21.648
my coaching when I'm teaching classes and stuff

00:34:21.648 --> 00:34:24.908
like that is very focused on like the concepts

00:34:24.908 --> 00:34:27.948
of each like when you're going through

00:34:27.948 --> 00:34:31.188
the motions of going through competition and like it's all

00:34:31.188 --> 00:34:33.948
those concepts of like how to score where you should be taking

00:34:33.948 --> 00:34:37.468
your breaks like these are the positions that you should be looking for

00:34:37.468 --> 00:34:40.648
even if you're not necessarily looking to do a move so like it's

00:34:40.648 --> 00:34:43.768
made everything simple and developed everything into like

00:34:43.768 --> 00:34:47.728
for me it gives everything kind of a framework

00:34:47.728 --> 00:34:50.788
that you're working within versus just the

00:34:50.788 --> 00:34:53.568
which you know for better or worse because some people

00:34:53.568 --> 00:34:56.548
are doing this to just learn jiu-jitsu but it

00:34:56.548 --> 00:34:59.468
gives me a framework with when within which to

00:34:59.468 --> 00:35:02.888
teach because i know that this

00:35:02.888 --> 00:35:08.188
is the path forward for how to win competitions using the style that i use so

00:35:08.188 --> 00:35:12.088
it created more focus and purpose behind what you're doing exactly it cuts to

00:35:12.088 --> 00:35:19.348
the fat yeah like you said yeah it gets to like when you you can explain you

00:35:19.348 --> 00:35:21.148
know in a in a coherent and.

00:35:22.128 --> 00:35:26.128
Simple way to your students that what I'm showing you is going to work.

00:35:26.468 --> 00:35:28.488
I've done it when I needed to do it.

00:35:29.228 --> 00:35:32.208
He, she, you can list a couple more students who have done it too.

00:35:32.348 --> 00:35:36.748
Like you said, it cuts through all of the, all the, I was going to say bullshit, but,

00:35:37.537 --> 00:35:41.317
I mean it's a valid word it's a valid word you can do fun stuff too

00:35:41.757 --> 00:35:44.917
we've talked about this a bunch of times sometimes you gotta train side question

00:35:44.917 --> 00:35:48.437
stuff it's some crazy shit that's fun too have some fun it doesn't always need

00:35:48.437 --> 00:35:50.837
to be what's gonna fully optimized

00:35:51.257 --> 00:35:55.697
you can have your wild moves yeah but at the same time like you said I think

00:35:55.697 --> 00:35:59.277
that's like a maybe a set and setting thing and like audience,

00:35:59.777 --> 00:36:02.877
dependent as well it depends on who you're talking to if I'm talking to Shane

00:36:02.877 --> 00:36:05.637
dude's gotta fight in four weeks it's like hey we don't really have time to

00:36:05.637 --> 00:36:08.417
fuck around with crazy bullshit Like we're not doing barambolas to heel hooks.

00:36:08.717 --> 00:36:11.477
They couldn't even heel hook in Delaware, by the way. What? Yeah,

00:36:11.537 --> 00:36:13.297
the amateur rules there don't allow heel hooks.

00:36:13.817 --> 00:36:16.777
Point B. I know. Oh, jaw drops. Too many people snapping their shit.

00:36:16.877 --> 00:36:21.697
Dude, you know, man, I'll put it this way. You have to pay sales tax for heel hooks. That's why.

00:36:22.617 --> 00:36:27.757
That's the one thing they got sales tax on. I mean, the amateur system there,

00:36:27.817 --> 00:36:31.137
they thought a lot about the guys who have part-time jobs and are like,

00:36:31.217 --> 00:36:33.457
hey, man, do you want to like, I mean, the dude last night got his arm broken.

00:36:33.457 --> 00:36:36.297
He didn't have to but like they're trying to protect

00:36:36.297 --> 00:36:39.317
amateur athletes who are just doing this to develop potentially develop

00:36:39.317 --> 00:36:42.037
a career or like even if they're not like they're doing it for

00:36:42.037 --> 00:36:44.937
like it's like a fun thing they do but maybe they're hobbyists or

00:36:44.937 --> 00:36:47.657
whatever but they don't need to be fucking crippled on monday so

00:36:47.657 --> 00:36:52.837
like i get it i will i'll give a counter argument yeah which is i think it's

00:36:52.837 --> 00:36:57.477
the state's duty to prepare these athletes who are amateurs who have aspirations

00:36:57.477 --> 00:37:00.957
to be professional of what they're going to get themselves into virginia lets

00:37:00.957 --> 00:37:05.117
you do that 100% Virginia does it across most sports. Virginia.

00:37:05.697 --> 00:37:07.677
Shout out to Virginia. By the way, if you guys didn't know where we are,

00:37:07.977 --> 00:37:11.577
now you know. Hey, dude, I think it was voted the number one state of business recently.

00:37:12.377 --> 00:37:15.417
Hey, that's fair. I get it. You know what I'm saying? It prepares them.

00:37:15.677 --> 00:37:19.177
Yeah. So I think it's tough, man, because I teeter with that in my head, too.

00:37:19.277 --> 00:37:23.757
It's like, how strict do we be with them? But it's like, if you coddle them

00:37:23.757 --> 00:37:27.477
now and show them, like, hey, it's okay now when they go and become pro or they

00:37:27.477 --> 00:37:29.517
go do bigger meets or comps, it's like.

00:37:29.857 --> 00:37:34.097
They get their cheeks clapped. And they go against someone like Shane who doesn't

00:37:34.097 --> 00:37:37.817
give a fuck and is like, hey, you signed the contract. He's there to kill.

00:37:39.057 --> 00:37:42.117
By the way, that's a perfect example. You can create whatever rules you want.

00:37:42.177 --> 00:37:44.557
It's still dangerous. You didn't do a heel hook and he broke a guy's leg.

00:37:45.357 --> 00:37:49.097
Excuse me, broke a guy's arm. Got get attacked. To your point,

00:37:49.157 --> 00:37:52.857
it's dangerous. But he was prepped here. He was prepped here. He's a weapon, bro.

00:37:53.817 --> 00:37:56.877
He's so nice. I digress. It's so fucking annoying. He's the nicest guy.

00:37:56.957 --> 00:37:58.677
But he's a savage. He's a beast.

00:37:59.397 --> 00:38:02.417
But anyways, Anyways, like it's like, but the point was with him,

00:38:02.497 --> 00:38:06.417
like, you know, if he's got a mission and like, I'm not, I'm as a coach,

00:38:06.557 --> 00:38:08.977
I'm going to spend time on like, Hey, you have a mission. That means we're going

00:38:08.977 --> 00:38:10.397
to do this shit that we know is going to work. Like.

00:38:11.710 --> 00:38:13.790
I guess you have an entire career to, like, figure out. You want to do some

00:38:13.790 --> 00:38:17.470
flashy stuff. Like, we'll still get that on, like, he's in the gym enough to,

00:38:17.530 --> 00:38:19.650
like, expand his skill set into, like, other things.

00:38:19.830 --> 00:38:22.190
And sprinkling that little bit of fun kind of thing. Totally, totally.

00:38:22.410 --> 00:38:24.950
Keep it fresh. I think that's, like, a little bit of, like, self-exploration.

00:38:25.090 --> 00:38:26.810
You can still do that stuff. But, like, in a fight, like, hey,

00:38:26.810 --> 00:38:28.530
man, we're going to focus on, like, what's going to work.

00:38:28.730 --> 00:38:31.730
So for a guy like that, it's going to be, like, meat and potatoes,

00:38:32.530 --> 00:38:33.470
battle-tested content.

00:38:33.710 --> 00:38:36.110
Because, I mean, like, the other, what if that other dude broke his arm?

00:38:36.470 --> 00:38:40.110
Yeah. It's a blood sport, man. It's a hurt game. Like, so we're going to make

00:38:40.110 --> 00:38:41.270
him as effective as possible.

00:38:41.750 --> 00:38:45.870
All right. Contrast that with someone else on the team who's is doing this for

00:38:45.870 --> 00:38:48.570
fun. I'm like, maybe we can afford to be like, Hey, I'm going to give you a little bit of both.

00:38:49.570 --> 00:38:53.010
So when it comes to informing, like how you want to teach, I do,

00:38:53.090 --> 00:38:56.170
we talked about this in another episode too, this without deviating too much,

00:38:56.230 --> 00:38:58.950
but I think it's related like the psychology of like understanding like your

00:38:58.950 --> 00:39:02.030
different customers, what they all want and need, how it's a little bit different.

00:39:02.770 --> 00:39:05.010
NACAPAN kind of talked about this at our training session where it's like knowing

00:39:05.010 --> 00:39:07.290
the person is walking in and what do they want to do, man? Right.

00:39:07.690 --> 00:39:11.610
Dude. Yes. Shout out. shout out to the joke I actually have a question for you

00:39:11.610 --> 00:39:13.970
guys because this has been a debate that I've been having with some of the other

00:39:13.970 --> 00:39:18.270
gym owners this week I forget it's like money were you debating dude I should

00:39:18.270 --> 00:39:20.390
have been on that debate just screaming on the panel.

00:39:22.170 --> 00:39:25.250
It was just like a discussion like after all the practices and just lifting

00:39:25.250 --> 00:39:28.730
and what not but mostly on the jiu-jitsu side I've been talking with some of

00:39:28.730 --> 00:39:32.470
the coaches and it's so John Danaher and Gordon Ryan were on a podcast with

00:39:32.470 --> 00:39:36.910
Moneybag something whatever I've seen that guy Derek Moneybag yes he's got a

00:39:36.910 --> 00:39:38.810
Bentley does he? I think so.

00:39:38.890 --> 00:39:42.390
He posted it. I was like, oh, man, I followed him. He's like, dude, I was like, dude.

00:39:43.090 --> 00:39:46.410
His name is Moneybag or Moneybird. I was like, sweet name, brother.

00:39:46.530 --> 00:39:47.390
Wait, that's his actual name?

00:39:47.790 --> 00:39:51.470
Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's something like that. How did I get stuck with Craig? I'll send him over.

00:39:52.830 --> 00:39:54.990
Craig's a good name. That's my dad's name. That's a tough name.

00:39:55.270 --> 00:39:58.770
So fun fact, how Scott and I met, I'm not even going to say what the car was,

00:39:58.890 --> 00:40:02.030
but he posted a car online because we were already in the same group chats and

00:40:02.030 --> 00:40:04.610
whatnot. So we kind of like knew each other peripheral, but we never met face to face.

00:40:05.670 --> 00:40:08.890
But he posted something on Instagram of a specific car and I was like,

00:40:09.487 --> 00:40:12.307
Does it rhyme with you? And he looked at, it was like one of those scenes like

00:40:12.307 --> 00:40:13.807
in Deadpool, like you, you too?

00:40:14.287 --> 00:40:18.167
And I was like, that's like when we first met. I see him, he's like, let's talk.

00:40:19.487 --> 00:40:22.567
I was like, is this yours? And he's like, yes. I was like, you're into cars?

00:40:22.747 --> 00:40:24.707
And he's like, yes, I was like, we need to talk. Let's talk.

00:40:25.327 --> 00:40:30.107
And now we work together. Look at us now. One thing, I just got to chime in before it escapes me.

00:40:30.247 --> 00:40:33.007
When you were talking about you guys first competing and whatnot,

00:40:33.127 --> 00:40:36.147
and now you're coaches, and it was kind of wild west, and maybe you weren't

00:40:36.147 --> 00:40:39.707
doing everything in the most logical manner or constructed or whatever.

00:40:40.067 --> 00:40:45.347
Part of that, I think, is why you are as successful, Scott and Mike,

00:40:45.427 --> 00:40:48.727
as you are now, because you went through that phase of Wild West.

00:40:49.067 --> 00:40:52.267
And even if it wasn't the smartest thing at the time, you know, hey, you know what?

00:40:52.587 --> 00:40:55.527
Maybe we don't have our fighters go solo. They need a support system there.

00:40:55.647 --> 00:40:57.207
Hey, I've been through this firsthand.

00:40:57.947 --> 00:41:02.687
This is what we should not do. And I think nothing beats that firsthand experience

00:41:02.687 --> 00:41:05.087
that you both have. I agree with that.

00:41:05.607 --> 00:41:10.347
Yeah man well I'll take it but I think part of it is like you kind of look at

00:41:10.347 --> 00:41:13.247
like you know looking back at that you know like you only have one life to live

00:41:13.247 --> 00:41:16.787
and do it at the time it's like sort of like you have to like audit the resources

00:41:16.787 --> 00:41:18.927
around you and you're like well I mean I don't have,

00:41:19.467 --> 00:41:23.847
I mean I was experienced enough I can go I wasn't like completely raw like we're

00:41:23.847 --> 00:41:25.067
gonna go in and we're gonna do this I'm not.

00:41:26.167 --> 00:41:27.447
Uneducated but I don't have this

00:41:27.447 --> 00:41:30.887
infrastructure of support what am I gonna wait around for that forever,

00:41:31.387 --> 00:41:34.447
perhaps I could have in retrospect maybe sought that out a little bit more hey

00:41:34.447 --> 00:41:39.047
you know what hindsight but go out and do what you can with what you got and

00:41:39.047 --> 00:41:42.387
like you said it's like that's research and development that's R&D so when I

00:41:42.387 --> 00:41:45.707
did it and then to your point I think too like,

00:41:46.531 --> 00:41:53.751
as coaches and like what we, we take that experience and to put it to simplify, I think it's like,

00:41:53.831 --> 00:41:59.011
it's our jobs to take that experience and provide that support and infrastructure

00:41:59.011 --> 00:42:03.051
for the people who are now paying us or under us in some capacity to say,

00:42:03.571 --> 00:42:08.091
learn from my mistakes, learn faster, do better than I did in a short amount of time.

00:42:08.371 --> 00:42:11.291
Right. Because we did these things. And I'm like, yeah, I could tell you,

00:42:11.351 --> 00:42:13.951
I mean, by the way, sidebar comment, I've competed by myself lots of times,

00:42:14.231 --> 00:42:17.171
including when he and I were just, me and I were just texting like recently

00:42:17.171 --> 00:42:21.151
i like weirdly do pretty well when i'm on my own your solo missions i don't know,

00:42:22.051 --> 00:42:25.371
maybe i like getting to like this weird like chasing board i like act like i'm like.

00:42:29.811 --> 00:42:32.551
Assassination mission it's kind of nice i like it yeah i've traveled to wherever

00:42:32.551 --> 00:42:36.951
my i like that yeah it was good that was a good time easy cut too it was it

00:42:36.951 --> 00:42:41.211
was it was a success story but um so but anyways it's like i mean maybe i just

00:42:41.211 --> 00:42:43.871
learned to do that i don't know well So I mean,

00:42:44.011 --> 00:42:50.571
just enough times going in solo to like you just kind of are you get used to it, right?

00:42:50.731 --> 00:42:53.791
So let me ask you this then, because I was of the belief of this for most of

00:42:53.791 --> 00:42:56.711
my career as part of the reason I competed for so many years.

00:42:56.831 --> 00:42:58.351
I think like eight, nine years straight, I competed.

00:42:59.371 --> 00:43:02.471
But I'm curious to know what your thoughts are, because I'm starting to question

00:43:02.471 --> 00:43:03.451
this line train of thought.

00:43:03.911 --> 00:43:07.711
Do you think a coach has to if a coach is coaching competitors,

00:43:07.851 --> 00:43:08.811
they had to have competed?

00:43:08.811 --> 00:43:11.511
Because i originally was of the mindset that you

00:43:11.511 --> 00:43:14.731
need to speak the language and know what that feels like for them to not only

00:43:14.731 --> 00:43:19.411
believe what you're saying but also to get them there and i think as time comes

00:43:19.411 --> 00:43:22.331
out goes on i'm starting to question that and the reason i'm questioning that

00:43:22.331 --> 00:43:25.051
is because if you can replicate it and point out people that they're more relatable

00:43:25.051 --> 00:43:28.811
because we're not really relatable because this is our job we're supposed to be good at what we do.

00:43:29.871 --> 00:43:32.451
Um i'm starting to question that because for a long time i believed that and

00:43:32.451 --> 00:43:35.131
i was like well how do you know what this feels like how do you know what this

00:43:35.131 --> 00:43:41.651
is like you know I would think from a marketing yourself as a coach standpoint,

00:43:41.651 --> 00:43:46.511
that's where the experience of actually competing is more valuable.

00:43:46.511 --> 00:43:51.371
But there's plenty of people who are excellent coaches that don't or haven't

00:43:51.371 --> 00:43:57.051
competed because they understand the game enough and they're really good at

00:43:57.051 --> 00:44:01.071
evaluating other people and everything in real time.

00:44:01.071 --> 00:44:06.631
Which not all competitors are actually good at evaluating what's happening on the mat.

00:44:06.851 --> 00:44:09.611
Yeah. They're really good at executing.

00:44:09.911 --> 00:44:12.811
They're not necessarily Yeah, they're athletes.

00:44:13.011 --> 00:44:18.091
They're not necessarily good at seeing everything happening from the outside. They're just good at,

00:44:18.876 --> 00:44:23.876
assessing the situation while they're actively competing and they have their hands on it.

00:44:24.936 --> 00:44:29.636
But yes, there's people that can do both. It doesn't sell you as a coach better

00:44:29.636 --> 00:44:34.336
because you say, well, you know, my methods are great because I'm able to, you know, it works.

00:44:34.456 --> 00:44:38.556
I've won X, Y, and Z competitions, hold X, Y, and Z titles.

00:44:39.216 --> 00:44:43.096
But there's plenty of guys who are awesome coaches because they're one,

00:44:43.236 --> 00:44:44.696
they can say everything the right way.

00:44:44.976 --> 00:44:51.176
They see what's happening and And they're just able to understand the mind of

00:44:51.176 --> 00:44:55.336
their competitors too and are able to communicate with them while everything's going.

00:44:55.416 --> 00:44:57.736
I think you said it perfectly right there. And that's where I'm starting to

00:44:57.736 --> 00:45:02.096
tinker with it in my head is there's the athlete, there's the athlete coach, and there's the coach.

00:45:02.416 --> 00:45:06.436
And I think the coaches do a really good job of what you said, communicating.

00:45:06.816 --> 00:45:11.616
They spent their career trying to become better communicators to convey a message

00:45:11.616 --> 00:45:16.216
and package to their athlete in a concise way. Because in a mid-match,

00:45:16.336 --> 00:45:17.456
things are happening quick.

00:45:17.816 --> 00:45:21.916
So they're able to do that, whereas an athlete just does things.

00:45:22.636 --> 00:45:26.116
They can't really necessarily explain why they just move their hips that way

00:45:26.116 --> 00:45:27.676
versus that way. They just do it.

00:45:28.036 --> 00:45:30.876
So that's where I'm tinkering with it because for a long time it was like,

00:45:30.936 --> 00:45:35.436
oh, you had to have competed. A really good coach can basically be the athlete's brain too.

00:45:35.736 --> 00:45:38.216
You can be their brain holder on the mat or in the ring or whatever.

00:45:38.216 --> 00:45:39.296
Freddie Roach versus Tyson.

00:45:39.296 --> 00:45:43.476
I will say from an outsider's perspective, though, if I had the choice to choose

00:45:43.476 --> 00:45:47.216
a coach who had been a competitor in the past or whatever, and was gearing me

00:45:47.216 --> 00:45:51.616
up for a competition versus somebody who's maybe extremely perceptive and able

00:45:51.616 --> 00:45:53.556
to articulate, hey, this is what you're doing wrong.

00:45:53.696 --> 00:45:56.556
It's just, you know, what we're going to encounter or whatever.

00:45:57.956 --> 00:46:04.016
I would probably tend to go with the coach who had actually had that first hands on experience.

00:46:04.016 --> 00:46:11.076
What if that coach had a massive list of competitors who already had tons of

00:46:11.076 --> 00:46:14.456
accolades underneath him? Would that change that mindset?

00:46:14.716 --> 00:46:18.816
A coach who was not a competitor but did have a ton of accolades underneath?

00:46:18.856 --> 00:46:20.456
Like had a bunch of athletes.

00:46:20.516 --> 00:46:23.836
What he's saying is guys who came to him already being winners.

00:46:24.256 --> 00:46:27.416
Is that what you're saying? Or he has coached them to winners.

00:46:27.496 --> 00:46:31.056
Either way. This is the question. This is the question. Yeah.

00:46:31.536 --> 00:46:35.596
I think at the end of the day, I think there's multiple, and we have all seen this. Yeah.

00:46:35.996 --> 00:46:41.176
My opinion, I think most people to be like effective, most effective coaches

00:46:41.176 --> 00:46:42.356
have to have some degree of experience.

00:46:42.816 --> 00:46:45.956
I think either whether you have it or you don't, you have to prove it with results.

00:46:46.829 --> 00:46:49.729
It's rare, but they're out there.

00:46:49.849 --> 00:46:53.749
There are coaches who don't have a ton of hands-on, competitive experience,

00:46:53.949 --> 00:46:56.489
but then produce champions. Right.

00:46:57.269 --> 00:47:00.149
But when he executes, it's like precise. That's right. Yeah. That's right.

00:47:00.429 --> 00:47:03.809
But he can also demonstrate that. He can say, like, hey, here's my resume.

00:47:03.909 --> 00:47:04.849
He can look at the dudes I've produced.

00:47:05.069 --> 00:47:08.289
I think an example of that, kind of not in the jiu-jitsu world or,

00:47:08.509 --> 00:47:11.529
I guess, kind of lifting, but in bodybuilding, I don't know if Hanny Rambod

00:47:11.529 --> 00:47:13.529
had competed himself in the past.

00:47:14.129 --> 00:47:17.569
There's more Olympians than anyone else. But he has produced everybody.

00:47:17.789 --> 00:47:19.889
And again, he's got a little frog tummy on him.

00:47:19.949 --> 00:47:23.409
He's not the most jacked guy in the world, but he's created some monster bodybuilders.

00:47:23.509 --> 00:47:25.709
So he knows how to produce champions. True.

00:47:25.989 --> 00:47:27.589
Okay. That's what I'm saying. You got me second guessing myself.

00:47:27.589 --> 00:47:31.569
Look at the coaches of every single Super Bowl team. They're all fat.

00:47:33.029 --> 00:47:39.329
So to be a good coach. But at least those guys can show that.

00:47:39.949 --> 00:47:44.049
That's going to be a lot more difficult. Yes. That's all I'm going to say. You can still do it.

00:47:44.169 --> 00:47:46.529
I mean, there are dudes that do it. But like I said, I mean,

00:47:46.629 --> 00:47:51.849
Cale Sanderson, Penn State, was like an undefeated. I forgot his resume was nasty.

00:47:53.189 --> 00:47:58.129
120-something, 140-something, and O? Something crazy. It was like mid-100.

00:47:58.409 --> 00:48:00.169
One of the best. And look at him now.

00:48:00.589 --> 00:48:02.489
Look at him. I mean, Penn State's the best program in wrestling.

00:48:02.709 --> 00:48:05.529
He's got a trillion fucking champions, Olympians and shit, dude.

00:48:06.369 --> 00:48:11.009
I think that helps breed that confidence of like, I can go to word for this guy.

00:48:11.429 --> 00:48:16.389
100%? Yeah, true. There's different types of leadership and examples of things

00:48:16.389 --> 00:48:19.569
doing it. He's also in there beating all of his athletes on the mat still.

00:48:20.429 --> 00:48:26.709
Bo Nickel has a story about it where he has never beaten Kale Sanderson in practice.

00:48:27.209 --> 00:48:32.789
That's insane. That's absolutely insane. So I think now as I'm hearing you guys,

00:48:32.989 --> 00:48:36.609
I'm starting to think, I wonder if it's just more valuable to have competed

00:48:36.609 --> 00:48:41.669
early stage in your coaching when you don't have the bodies to prove the product?

00:48:41.909 --> 00:48:48.709
Definitely. I think it helps if you're trying to recruit a potential student

00:48:48.709 --> 00:48:52.349
athlete or whatever you have to have something you have to have some mechanism

00:48:52.349 --> 00:48:55.329
to charm them into thinking that you're a person worth following.

00:48:56.509 --> 00:49:06.189
So any resume legitimately if you speak well that's life for you I think most

00:49:06.189 --> 00:49:10.229
people who can do that who can say I've done all these things I think that gets

00:49:10.229 --> 00:49:13.129
that trust that's like your sales pitch And so,

00:49:13.629 --> 00:49:17.329
yeah, those probably nine out of 10 times that hype, that like experienced coach

00:49:17.329 --> 00:49:22.749
can show the resume is it's going to have a quicker turn on it. I don't know.

00:49:22.929 --> 00:49:26.829
Also for the coach's mindset too. I feel like coaches are people.

00:49:27.149 --> 00:49:31.309
Coaches are people. Yeah. And their confidence gets shaken as well sometimes.

00:49:31.569 --> 00:49:35.449
But when you're able to reflect back on your athletes and accolades and whatnot,

00:49:35.709 --> 00:49:38.949
that instills, I would imagine a lot more confidence than you.

00:49:39.069 --> 00:49:40.989
Yeah. I think what started making me question it was.

00:49:41.806 --> 00:49:45.906
I don't think I got any clients from my competitions. It was always from my

00:49:45.906 --> 00:49:48.886
clients competing and doing well, or the post of them doing well,

00:49:48.946 --> 00:49:51.926
their transformations, is what led to us getting more clients.

00:49:52.086 --> 00:49:53.206
It was never anything I did.

00:49:53.546 --> 00:49:56.566
But nonetheless, you produced the results. Absolutely.

00:49:56.946 --> 00:50:00.566
Yeah, and then we showcased that, and it's like floodgates. There you go. I post my stuff.

00:50:03.446 --> 00:50:09.506
Your results as a competitor will bring in the first few people,

00:50:09.506 --> 00:50:12.406
but I think your results as a coach will bring in more

00:50:12.406 --> 00:50:15.286
people yeah I think you're seeing that yeah absolutely in

00:50:15.286 --> 00:50:18.326
real time we're realizing that now more and more because

00:50:18.326 --> 00:50:21.386
I mean especially all the we're in peak competition season it

00:50:21.386 --> 00:50:24.606
kicked off like a month ago so now it's just like every weekend there's something

00:50:24.606 --> 00:50:30.366
is that a thing summertime is go time in jiu-jitsu mm-hmm it I think well now

00:50:30.366 --> 00:50:33.826
there's a lot it's because of what you said earlier about the multitude of new

00:50:33.826 --> 00:50:37.426
events that are like main character wasn't a thing two years ago it just wasn't

00:50:37.426 --> 00:50:40.086
depends on the league ACC wasn't as often So Dallas is next to Jiu-Jitsu.

00:50:40.526 --> 00:50:47.286
That's right. Jiu-Jitsu is kind of becoming bigger as a competitive sport too. It's growing a lot.

00:50:47.786 --> 00:50:49.526
You just picked it up? Holy shit, dude.

00:50:50.426 --> 00:50:56.066
They're about to get sued by Craig Jones and Pitt. But you got UFC backing.

00:50:56.226 --> 00:50:57.186
You got celebrity backing.

00:50:57.346 --> 00:51:00.646
Jiu-Jitsu is blowing up. To be on the front side of that wave is a blessing.

00:51:01.386 --> 00:51:04.506
100%. Yeah. Well, I mean, to your point, dude, it used to be that people would

00:51:04.506 --> 00:51:07.406
follow the IBJF calendar, to answer your question. And then you'd have like

00:51:07.406 --> 00:51:08.846
a Gi season and a No Gi season.

00:51:09.186 --> 00:51:11.906
And that was kind of the seasonality, and it depends on what the athlete was doing.

00:51:13.026 --> 00:51:15.486
Gi Worlds was like two weeks ago, something like that. Recent.

00:51:16.086 --> 00:51:17.626
That was a big thing for Gi athletes.

00:51:17.786 --> 00:51:20.286
Of course, they'd build their training around that. Then they would shift years

00:51:20.286 --> 00:51:22.486
into no Gi, and that's kind of still there.

00:51:22.626 --> 00:51:25.066
Like winter training arc versus summer training arc. I was about to say,

00:51:25.166 --> 00:51:28.426
is Gi like winter? Yeah. Bundle up, and then no Gi summertime?

00:51:28.706 --> 00:51:30.686
That's how it used to be. Now it's like all year round.

00:51:31.026 --> 00:51:32.606
Yeah, well, I mean, it's all year round. No Gi is way more popular.

00:51:32.606 --> 00:51:34.366
If you want to be a world champion, it's all year round. Yeah.

00:51:34.906 --> 00:51:40.006
True. Yeah. But, dude, I mean, so there kind of is there kind of now, Like Asim said.

00:51:40.770 --> 00:51:43.810
Last weekend, there was multiple. This past weekend, there was multiple.

00:51:43.890 --> 00:51:46.490
Next week is what? Grappling Industries. We got ADCC.

00:51:47.150 --> 00:51:49.630
Dallas is another one that's happening. I think like Central.

00:51:50.210 --> 00:51:52.910
And then the weekend after that, there's another. I think we have like a week

00:51:52.910 --> 00:51:54.610
break. And then we're into Miami.

00:51:55.530 --> 00:51:59.090
It's crazy. Oh, Miami. That's going to be fun.

00:51:59.570 --> 00:52:03.910
It will be fun. You going to that? Miami. Good. You should. I might. We will. I think I will.

00:52:05.550 --> 00:52:09.670
Road trip, boys. Don't front me with a good time. You already dressed for it.

00:52:09.670 --> 00:52:11.530
Dude, I'm always ready for Miami.

00:52:11.590 --> 00:52:14.050
He's always dressed for Miami. He lives in Miami.

00:52:14.530 --> 00:52:18.150
I split my time is what I say. You got the tan. I'm trying, dude.

00:52:18.230 --> 00:52:21.410
I'm going to try to ride the Santa. The only man who has a tan while it's raining. I was peeling, dude.

00:52:21.570 --> 00:52:25.410
My fragile white skin got kind of scorched. Can you? Nah, I think I've peeled it off now.

00:52:27.250 --> 00:52:30.450
Just getting a base. Yeah. We're some yappers, boys.

00:52:30.550 --> 00:52:33.130
I was just looking. I feel like we've only been talking for like 15,

00:52:33.290 --> 00:52:35.330
20 minutes. This is like an hour. We're going on an hour.

00:52:35.910 --> 00:52:39.350
We can talk. It's been one hour with you guys? Ugh. Ugh. Oh,

00:52:39.570 --> 00:52:41.310
welcome to you guys with a long commute.

00:52:42.170 --> 00:52:44.610
But essentially you're saying everyone has gone through the same.

00:52:44.850 --> 00:52:47.730
Yeah, dude, a hundred percent. Yeah. Look, go through the arc.

00:52:48.770 --> 00:52:51.290
I guess that was my way of putting a pretty picture on it. I think this podcast

00:52:51.290 --> 00:52:54.930
is perfect for the ADHD mind. Yeah. Just squirrel brains left and right.

00:52:55.810 --> 00:52:58.690
That's how we do it. I mean, you're going to have, you're going to have,

00:52:58.830 --> 00:53:04.090
you know, it's, I think the type of work that we're all doing requires,

00:53:04.310 --> 00:53:06.390
it's just disciplines built into it.

00:53:06.770 --> 00:53:10.290
And, you know, when you become a business owner, like you, you have to have

00:53:10.290 --> 00:53:12.530
discipline or your business is going to fail.

00:53:12.710 --> 00:53:16.430
How often, how many times a week are you both coaching versus how many times

00:53:16.430 --> 00:53:17.690
a week are you training for yourself?

00:53:17.990 --> 00:53:20.890
Like, man, like if you're coaching, you're probably not doing your own training

00:53:20.890 --> 00:53:24.410
because you're watching the room, et cetera. So how many times a week would

00:53:24.410 --> 00:53:25.190
you say you're coaching?

00:53:25.670 --> 00:53:28.330
And then how many dedicated sessions do you have for yourself?

00:53:29.050 --> 00:53:34.710
Six days a week, I'm coaching. My days, my time is just, I just have to be able to gear shift.

00:53:35.370 --> 00:53:38.250
Even some of those practice sessions, like the training sessions that I'm in.

00:53:38.890 --> 00:53:42.190
I mean, there are times where I like, it's tough when I'm at DMA because like

00:53:42.190 --> 00:53:44.010
you're always like, just probably like when you're here, when you're looking,

00:53:44.090 --> 00:53:46.130
you're still keeping an eye on stuff. Like you're never really.

00:53:46.310 --> 00:53:48.990
Early on. I used to go to other gyms and lift. Yeah. That's not a bad move.

00:53:49.070 --> 00:53:50.690
That way I could just be like. Yeah. I'm just here to lift.

00:53:51.350 --> 00:53:54.590
Yeah. I'm trying to think of the last time I can do that. You know,

00:53:54.690 --> 00:53:56.390
but it gets, for what it's worth.

00:53:57.490 --> 00:54:02.790
I think it's a challenge but it's a good challenge it's not I don't think it's

00:54:02.790 --> 00:54:06.350
a major barrier so six days a week coaching how many days of that are you training yourself?

00:54:06.870 --> 00:54:10.070
Six days a week at least two I don't know you tell me you don't let me have

00:54:10.070 --> 00:54:14.870
rest days I was going to say that's the next question how many days a week are you lifting?

00:54:15.090 --> 00:54:17.370
Oh I don't know how many am I lifting six days?

00:54:17.870 --> 00:54:20.570
I don't even know I just look at the app and I do it some of

00:54:20.570 --> 00:54:23.470
those days are cardio days some of those days aren't technically lift

00:54:23.470 --> 00:54:26.390
days some of those days are cardio days Tuesdays I've been doing cardio you

00:54:26.390 --> 00:54:30.410
got me running shit six days in the gym yeah dude

00:54:30.410 --> 00:54:33.270
like um some of those days like

00:54:33.270 --> 00:54:36.170
it's just it's just a gear shift like i'll be able to i'll go to someone else's

00:54:36.170 --> 00:54:39.070
class and even though it's at my gym i'm still looking around i'm keeping behind

00:54:39.070 --> 00:54:43.290
but it can be a little bit more about me than if i'm teaching the class yeah

00:54:43.290 --> 00:54:48.110
thursdays thursdays are a meat grinder day for me seam doesn't let me have thursdays

00:54:48.110 --> 00:54:51.910
off i don't really want them off it used to thank you but it's not anymore it's

00:54:51.910 --> 00:54:54.570
not but fuck it we're doing it man and like dude there are days where i'll get

00:54:54.590 --> 00:54:58.070
up in the morning at like 6 a.m. I'll teach a private lesson or two.

00:54:58.530 --> 00:55:02.970
I'll get out by like 8.30, shower, check some emails, do whatever I got.

00:55:03.030 --> 00:55:05.150
Like, you know, I'm just like fucking triaging what the most,

00:55:05.470 --> 00:55:07.690
the important thing I need to do is, all right, get it done.

00:55:07.930 --> 00:55:10.910
Okay, allocate my hour or so to do whatever torturous things.

00:55:10.970 --> 00:55:13.530
It seems carved out for me. I do it. I go home. I shower.

00:55:13.710 --> 00:55:16.990
I munch down whatever food I have to like survive that day.

00:55:17.250 --> 00:55:19.810
Fuck around for another couple hours. I go into district martial arts around

00:55:19.810 --> 00:55:22.750
like 4.30, 4.45. I teach my first class.

00:55:23.010 --> 00:55:25.470
Class, not lesson. class of the day at five.

00:55:26.150 --> 00:55:28.730
That's about the students. But you know, you plan this stuff out.

00:55:28.830 --> 00:55:32.710
Like this is kind of like what we talked about. I think part of the fun of the.

00:55:33.668 --> 00:55:37.488
I'm putting a pretty picture on it for sure. The fun. The position that we're

00:55:37.488 --> 00:55:40.548
in is like, you have to like, you have to be able to gear shift.

00:55:40.608 --> 00:55:41.268
You have to be organized.

00:55:41.788 --> 00:55:45.408
I'm not naturally an organized guy. I like organization, but I've learned to like it.

00:55:46.208 --> 00:55:49.428
You're the same way. I'm looking at you. Very. Have you seen my office?

00:55:51.468 --> 00:55:54.708
Excuse me, that's funny. But like, you have to like, and by the way,

00:55:54.748 --> 00:55:57.028
I know I need it, man. So I'm like, dude, organize yourself.

00:55:57.188 --> 00:56:00.088
So like, I got to get organized. So like, I've planned out. I mean,

00:56:00.088 --> 00:56:00.928
I have a monthly curriculum.

00:56:01.068 --> 00:56:05.388
Like there's stuff that I do now that's part of my job description that like helps me helps me.

00:56:06.028 --> 00:56:09.208
Be prepared for like a Thursday which is like probably my busiest motherfucking

00:56:09.208 --> 00:56:13.208
day yeah and it's like the fourth day I'm just getting slashed all the days

00:56:13.208 --> 00:56:14.288
before that too so it's like

00:56:14.648 --> 00:56:17.668
it's just the most brutal day of the week by far yes and for whatever goddamn

00:56:17.668 --> 00:56:20.428
reason I put it towards the end of the week when I've been working all the other

00:56:20.428 --> 00:56:24.068
days before but let's fucking do it man let's go and somehow I'm freaking skylight

00:56:24.068 --> 00:56:26.728
games I was like somehow he still wakes up at 5 o'clock some days that was a

00:56:26.728 --> 00:56:29.928
weird day that was a weird day I wake up in the morning I'll just send a series

00:56:29.928 --> 00:56:33.248
of like he'll say like 5 questions yeah like weight checks or whatever

00:56:33.488 --> 00:56:36.168
a bunch of athletes and then he'll respond like within five minutes i'm like

00:56:36.168 --> 00:56:38.928
why are you awake right now bro i haven't left my bed yet

00:56:38.928 --> 00:56:41.608
i kind of feel like we have to go like see who's gonna text the other guy

00:56:41.608 --> 00:56:44.748
first or who's gonna text the guy latest yeah anyways he texted

00:56:44.748 --> 00:56:48.148
me last night i was like oh yeah and he's like oh it was like 1 30 in the morning

00:56:48.148 --> 00:56:51.888
get the message today well but all right yeah dude hey fucking let's go dude

00:56:51.888 --> 00:56:54.928
you only have once exactly i like enjoy i like the challenge man i don't know

00:56:54.928 --> 00:56:57.968
the metal thursday's tough man but it's okay so i teach at five and then i wrestle

00:56:57.968 --> 00:57:00.948
at six and a wrestling yeah i'm keeping an eye on dudes because it's in my gym

00:57:00.948 --> 00:57:02.788
I have teammates there's some people who like are

00:57:03.228 --> 00:57:05.608
my students in that room that I just make sure that things are going on but

00:57:05.608 --> 00:57:09.368
it's I'm a student in that class so I can kind of like for me and that's a fucking

00:57:09.368 --> 00:57:13.008
tough it like it requires your focus so when I'm wrestling like I just have

00:57:13.008 --> 00:57:17.128
to wrestle I can't really do all I'm not good enough to like just talking maybe

00:57:17.128 --> 00:57:20.628
like sit back in my garden kind of like watch five people and like do some shit

00:57:20.628 --> 00:57:22.408
and like help someone and just like.

00:57:23.408 --> 00:57:26.528
Oh what you know like I can do that you know wrestling I can't I'm not good

00:57:26.528 --> 00:57:30.928
enough but it's cool because I but at point being I get to just wrestle that

00:57:30.948 --> 00:57:34.288
class ends and i teach again teach at seven like

00:57:34.288 --> 00:57:37.328
i'm usually covered in sweat so i hydrate for like six minutes

00:57:37.328 --> 00:57:40.388
i put some music on i line people by bowman i teach again

00:57:40.388 --> 00:57:43.228
that again very it's about the class but i've

00:57:43.228 --> 00:57:45.088
already mapped it i know what i'm going to do i've already planned out what

00:57:45.088 --> 00:57:48.308
my my class structure is going to be from the curriculum like the work's been

00:57:48.308 --> 00:57:52.648
done for it uh that wraps up around eight i usually i call it jokingly office

00:57:52.648 --> 00:57:57.328
hours like four or five students want to talk to me for a period of time about

00:57:57.328 --> 00:58:00.408
whatever but like dude to me i'm like i'm in the office. This is just a long day.

00:58:00.688 --> 00:58:03.768
So I'll go as long as I need to. I'll talk to people about the last questions,

00:58:03.888 --> 00:58:06.928
emotions, about technique, whatever I'm talking to. I actually like this.

00:58:07.228 --> 00:58:10.628
Yeah. All that shit, dude. I like it. I don't mind it. What if they do this?

00:58:10.928 --> 00:58:14.008
That's why 20, 30 minutes of shit. And then I just chill. I'm talking to that

00:58:14.008 --> 00:58:16.748
when I put a bowl in it, I knuckle up Caldoon or Flavia, whoever's I'm like,

00:58:16.828 --> 00:58:17.548
yeah, all right, guys, good stuff.

00:58:17.648 --> 00:58:19.568
I'm going to get the hell out of here now. I go home, I shower.

00:58:19.668 --> 00:58:20.488
And then maybe I'll order.

00:58:21.528 --> 00:58:26.388
Sometimes I cook and I'm like, I have nothing left in the tank when I cook. Yeah.

00:58:27.142 --> 00:58:31.702
Or I text a CMO, I text a steak. Shout out, big steak.

00:58:31.982 --> 00:58:36.202
But when you're like running on like minimal flexibility, dude,

00:58:36.282 --> 00:58:38.242
and I'm like, hey man, I'm in mission mode, dude.

00:58:38.582 --> 00:58:40.802
What am I going to fucking pig out? Unless it seems as I can.

00:58:41.362 --> 00:58:44.942
And sometimes I do. I get out the ribeye, I put it on the stove,

00:58:45.042 --> 00:58:47.762
I flip it, flip it again, flip it again, seasoning.

00:58:47.962 --> 00:58:51.222
And then I munch it and I'm like, you know what? This is like a good day. It's nice, yeah.

00:58:51.402 --> 00:58:54.042
I didn't pig out. I can sit there and be like, all right, man,

00:58:54.062 --> 00:58:56.862
I ate pretty good. I ate pretty clean. I ate what I needed to do. I did all the jobs.

00:58:57.462 --> 00:59:00.862
Friday's kind of like i have usually i do like meetings where it's more like i can be like.

00:59:01.542 --> 00:59:04.862
More executive function less like operational i mean that shit's always there

00:59:04.862 --> 00:59:07.682
but i'll do some stuff and then i can but i can also like just sit back and

00:59:07.682 --> 00:59:09.702
like decision make a little bit more,

00:59:10.202 --> 00:59:13.122
with a clear head because you know you get today you're all

00:59:13.122 --> 00:59:16.362
but yes but yeah exactly that's what i try to do um and

00:59:16.362 --> 00:59:19.042
then at least it's like crescendo to an extent like fridays are

00:59:19.042 --> 00:59:22.482
a little bit more flexible he'll have me do some like chest he

00:59:22.482 --> 00:59:25.362
has me do bro day he does zing in like the accountability of

00:59:25.362 --> 00:59:28.162
these sorts of things or maybe students lose or whatever it may be or losing in

00:59:28.162 --> 00:59:31.562
business losing with girls whatever just

00:59:31.562 --> 00:59:34.542
just losing and then saying fuck man like i have inputs

00:59:34.542 --> 00:59:37.742
i have data like i'm being i'm giving i'm getting signals that

00:59:37.742 --> 00:59:40.702
like things should be adapting and changing and you get coaches to

00:59:40.702 --> 00:59:43.302
hold you accountable too and buddies man i was about to

00:59:43.302 --> 00:59:46.002
say that because layla actually said something to me a couple weeks ago probably was

00:59:46.002 --> 00:59:49.042
like maybe a month and a half ago she's like since you've been like because

00:59:49.042 --> 00:59:51.822
you and i we talk almost every day and then knock and i were

00:59:51.822 --> 00:59:54.562
on the phone every single day and there's a few other guys you and i talk

00:59:54.562 --> 00:59:57.642
every single day and i see you literally every day um oh

00:59:57.642 --> 01:00:00.982
yeah yeah and he's

01:00:00.982 --> 01:00:04.582
like this energy wise every single time regardless of how busy it's crazy someone

01:00:04.582 --> 01:00:08.202
asked no yeah right cocaine's definitely not me i'm just kidding she was like

01:00:08.202 --> 01:00:13.862
you just seem happy and more fired up i was like well it's easy to be when because

01:00:13.862 --> 01:00:16.062
you have those days where you're like man it's a lot because i mean i'm managing

01:00:16.062 --> 01:00:20.362
over 400 athletes right now on a daily basis and then on top of that doing my own training.

01:00:20.502 --> 01:00:22.902
So I'm sitting there managing all that stuff, helping out with the team here,

01:00:23.042 --> 01:00:25.782
the facility, our future growth, et cetera. But then like.

01:00:26.521 --> 01:00:29.301
Being surrounded by like you guys in that chat and just talking with you guys every

01:00:29.301 --> 01:00:32.001
single day in my mind i'm like if there's ever a moment and

01:00:32.001 --> 01:00:35.061
it's really rare where i'm like you know i can rest a little bit i'm gonna

01:00:35.061 --> 01:00:37.881
chill i sit there and think well what the fuck are these two guys doing what

01:00:37.881 --> 01:00:41.341
are these other guys doing right now and i'm like nah i'll rest

01:00:41.341 --> 01:00:44.121
tomorrow not today i'll do it tomorrow and then tomorrow comes i'm like nah

01:00:44.121 --> 01:00:46.721
and it's just easy it's easy as fuck yeah it's too much

01:00:46.721 --> 01:00:49.561
fun it's fun and then now we have like the little game going right now the numbers

01:00:49.561 --> 01:00:52.161
game right i don't want to air it out on there but we have a

01:00:52.161 --> 01:00:55.501
little comp going and that just makes it even more fun it's like

01:00:55.501 --> 01:00:59.381
a video game in sales yeah i

01:00:59.381 --> 01:01:02.021
think yeah it's that you i think

01:01:02.021 --> 01:01:04.841
you get the passion comes back when you like i think i

01:01:04.841 --> 01:01:07.501
think you have to change things up a little bit too right that's what

01:01:07.501 --> 01:01:10.121
i like about sometimes it's your ecosystem you gotta change because you

01:01:10.121 --> 01:01:12.781
gotta surround you gotta surround yourself with the right people that will push you

01:01:12.781 --> 01:01:15.601
in that like i was talking to flavio this morning because he's jumping on

01:01:15.601 --> 01:01:18.241
board he starts with us uh he just signed up today and i was

01:01:18.241 --> 01:01:21.241
telling him i was like wait a minute so you're full-time here he's like yeah i was like and

01:01:21.241 --> 01:01:24.241
you're gonna train with us he's like yeah i was like dude you got the best support system because i

01:01:24.241 --> 01:01:27.541
mean so many of you guys are training with us right now it's hard for you to

01:01:27.541 --> 01:01:31.481
take a day back because you got like 10 guys 12 guys 13 guys whatever it is

01:01:31.481 --> 01:01:33.761
that are going to look at you and be like hey did you do a workout today hey

01:01:33.761 --> 01:01:36.661
did you do nutrition you got everyone holding each other accountable it's so

01:01:36.661 --> 01:01:39.301
freaking important to surround yourself with people in each one of these little

01:01:39.301 --> 01:01:43.141
pockets now flamio says he doesn't listen to our show so we got to land,

01:01:45.081 --> 01:01:48.581
i'm gonna send him links right after he goes i don't listen to the podcast i'm like whatever.

01:01:53.241 --> 01:01:58.861
There we go we need to put it up put a qr code on on like the door at dma i won't let him leave,

01:02:01.001 --> 01:02:04.621
but i mean yeah

01:02:04.621 --> 01:02:07.621
dude it takes uh it takes um i

01:02:07.621 --> 01:02:10.761
mean there are times where it's gonna feel like you i mean it's

01:02:10.761 --> 01:02:13.741
it's like any other like you know difficult journey that you embark on

01:02:13.741 --> 01:02:16.541
it it'll feel low and then you just you just get to keep doing

01:02:16.541 --> 01:02:19.521
it and like now it's fun it's fun again and

01:02:19.521 --> 01:02:22.281
there's like something that lately i talked about i think like episode two where

01:02:22.281 --> 01:02:25.061
it's like intrinsic versus extrinsic i might be fucking

01:02:25.061 --> 01:02:29.181
up those words but who knows um but the type of motivation whether it's internal

01:02:29.181 --> 01:02:33.541
external most people are external some are internal for me i was internal most

01:02:33.541 --> 01:02:37.681
of my life until i started hanging out with other people that were doing just

01:02:37.681 --> 01:02:42.061
as well if not better and i'm like oh now it's double because not only is it

01:02:42.061 --> 01:02:44.541
internal now the external feedback is there too.

01:02:44.741 --> 01:02:47.181
So I think it's very important to surround yourself with people that are.

01:02:47.910 --> 01:02:51.710
Open and hungry for change and open and hungry for future growth,

01:02:51.850 --> 01:02:54.310
right? They're either where you want to be or going in the same direction.

01:02:54.650 --> 01:02:58.530
So that's an interesting thing too, because I've always been internally motivated,

01:02:58.690 --> 01:03:04.850
but adding that external thing is what has helped keep me kind of going more.

01:03:05.170 --> 01:03:10.910
Like it was, it's a lot easier to like get into like a giant black hole of like,

01:03:11.050 --> 01:03:13.750
just put yourself down if it's just you, right?

01:03:13.990 --> 01:03:16.790
If you have other people kind of around you that are doing

01:03:16.790 --> 01:03:19.710
the same thing or part of it it's a lot easier to

01:03:19.710 --> 01:03:22.670
just continue going with it it's a lot easier to keep the passion

01:03:22.670 --> 01:03:25.590
going too like you have other people kind of going through it

01:03:25.590 --> 01:03:28.450
they're also you see what they're doing you see their success

01:03:28.450 --> 01:03:31.270
you see them wanting you to succeed and that kind of helps

01:03:31.270 --> 01:03:33.990
you keep moving a hundred percent i think that helps because like

01:03:33.990 --> 01:03:36.770
you guys have the gear like we wouldn't be where we are if we didn't have that extra

01:03:36.770 --> 01:03:39.470
gear but it sometimes takes others to show you and

01:03:39.470 --> 01:03:42.850
remind you hey that gear's still there and you're still slamming that thing um

01:03:42.850 --> 01:03:45.910
i think that's very very absolutely that's that's

01:03:45.910 --> 01:03:48.730
why i'm still working with you asim because this man doesn't there

01:03:48.730 --> 01:03:51.610
is no excuses i was at work and i

01:03:51.610 --> 01:03:54.510
was like you know what i forgot he said that his face was so intense when

01:03:54.510 --> 01:03:57.910
he said no because listen to this shit so i'm like i'm at

01:03:57.910 --> 01:04:00.810
work i'm all dressed up whatever i'm in it behind a desk

01:04:00.810 --> 01:04:05.190
all nerdy and shit and i was like you know oh man i forgot my gym bag i'll text

01:04:05.190 --> 01:04:08.650
asim and i'll just tell him i'll double up on my workout tomorrow so i text

01:04:08.650 --> 01:04:12.410
him a picture kind of what i'm wearing i'm like hey man forgot my gym bag sorry

01:04:12.410 --> 01:04:14.670
um see of double tomorrow kind

01:04:14.670 --> 01:04:18.650
of thing he's like what size clothes are you and i was like i was like.

01:04:19.190 --> 01:04:22.030
Why does he buy me a sweatshirt or something well i'm a

01:04:22.030 --> 01:04:24.730
lot wait a minute and i just respond i was

01:04:24.730 --> 01:04:29.850
like no um look and i took a picture of my shoes and it's like dress shoes i

01:04:29.850 --> 01:04:33.350
was like yeah i don't have anything he's like dude you've been to our gym i

01:04:33.350 --> 01:04:36.470
have clothes for you here take off your shoes and go barefoot i literally was

01:04:36.470 --> 01:04:39.410
about to go to target and buy him a set of clothes excuses i was like oh and

01:04:39.410 --> 01:04:42.130
i ended up coming in i'm just picturing the text bubbles go then they stop,

01:04:43.210 --> 01:04:46.530
and then they go and then they stop and they go and then they stop and it's

01:04:46.530 --> 01:04:50.150
just like but that's the thing do I show shoes what do I show them that is what

01:04:50.150 --> 01:04:54.990
my ass needs because while I get these big waves of inspiration and what not

01:04:54.990 --> 01:04:59.370
you know those waves end up crashing and then I go back to normal and I need

01:04:59.370 --> 01:05:02.890
someone to kind of keep my ass in gear like you motherfuckers hell yeah

01:05:03.150 --> 01:05:07.210
the guy is not quitting on you that's right it's easy you can make excuses for

01:05:07.210 --> 01:05:13.030
yourself but they're not making excuses for you I can't quit you I can't quit you.

01:05:14.570 --> 01:05:17.470
It's true. Oh, my God. Yeah.

01:05:18.644 --> 01:05:23.264
You guys fucking all right all right all right guys all right we did pretty good anything else,

01:05:23.844 --> 01:05:28.204
no all right keep going we could keep going we can keep going but can the viewers,

01:05:28.724 --> 01:05:33.404
let's make them they're fine they'll be fine hey listen someone will binge a

01:05:33.404 --> 01:05:39.984
couple episodes in a row it's fine so you said this is your trilogy yeah explain that um so,

01:05:40.824 --> 01:05:45.284
I'm I'm a very addictive personality I think we're all here I think we're all

01:05:45.284 --> 01:05:47.184
here do you want to go to Miami with me,

01:05:47.784 --> 01:05:50.464
you don't see how addictive your personality really is uh i

01:05:50.464 --> 01:05:53.504
get super deep into whatever i'm doing i can only like handle

01:05:53.504 --> 01:05:56.464
like two things at a time that's pretty good two is good yeah

01:05:56.464 --> 01:05:59.764
sometimes okay um but so i

01:05:59.764 --> 01:06:03.124
mean i went full bore starting like

01:06:03.124 --> 01:06:06.344
graduated high school went to college and like immediately got

01:06:06.344 --> 01:06:09.704
deep like super deep into jujitsu mma

01:06:09.704 --> 01:06:12.944
all of that like i was skipping classes

01:06:12.944 --> 01:06:15.744
we kind of sideboard actually bad boy on that on

01:06:15.744 --> 01:06:18.424
that note of college how wild was that when

01:06:18.424 --> 01:06:21.364
you walked in here and oh yeah all like so many

01:06:21.364 --> 01:06:24.184
people i went to college with go yeah it was so funny

01:06:24.184 --> 01:06:27.744
i come out of the back of my office and he comes up to me he's like hey did

01:06:27.744 --> 01:06:30.544
you know that we went to school together i was like what the fuck and then while

01:06:30.544 --> 01:06:34.144
that was happening i got a message on instagram when i shared your guys's podcast

01:06:34.144 --> 01:06:39.244
and they're like oh that's my best friend's neighbor dude this man is everybody

01:06:39.244 --> 01:06:41.924
he's not connected with everybody you know he like knew You have to.

01:06:42.084 --> 01:06:43.784
That's also just another thing. He knows everyone.

01:06:44.724 --> 01:06:49.004
I make sure to know everybody. It's a good skill. I figured it out. Yeah. It's a good skill.

01:06:49.964 --> 01:06:54.824
Yeah. I went to college with one of the coaches here and one of the members here. Eric and Pete.

01:06:55.044 --> 01:06:59.084
Probably a few other members here. Who knows? I probably know more people. There are. Yeah.

01:06:59.824 --> 01:07:01.884
We went to the same school. I just dropped out. We'll find out.

01:07:03.924 --> 01:07:09.844
It was around the same time. Yeah. But yeah, so we in college,

01:07:09.844 --> 01:07:14.164
I got super deep into jujitsu to the point where like it was it was my job.

01:07:15.017 --> 01:07:19.057
Weaseled my way into like, I had clients. I mean, I was getting up at four in

01:07:19.057 --> 01:07:21.977
the morning, going from Fairfax, Arlington,

01:07:22.717 --> 01:07:27.597
training two clients every morning, going back to school, driving back to Arlington

01:07:27.597 --> 01:07:31.757
to coach and train in the evenings, also lifting during the day.

01:07:31.837 --> 01:07:37.537
I mean, I was like, I was living the life and just going to class when I felt like it.

01:07:38.537 --> 01:07:41.757
Sorry, mom, if you ever listened to this, but I passed.

01:07:42.477 --> 01:07:45.377
I got good grades. You look great. but

01:07:45.377 --> 01:07:48.837
so schools for fools yeah i

01:07:48.837 --> 01:07:52.957
got mostly a's um but but

01:07:52.957 --> 01:07:55.937
so i mean i was like all in

01:07:55.937 --> 01:07:58.617
on jitsu and all of that and like to the

01:07:58.617 --> 01:08:01.317
point where like that was that was it like that was all i was doing we were

01:08:01.317 --> 01:08:04.037
going to you're competing like most is that when you guys met

01:08:04.037 --> 01:08:07.857
yes so we met it back in this is at nova mma um

01:08:07.857 --> 01:08:10.797
circa 2014 15 oh no oh yeah

01:08:10.797 --> 01:08:13.737
we were in school at the same time before we started yeah

01:08:13.737 --> 01:08:16.857
the like deep competition like we were

01:08:16.857 --> 01:08:19.577
just competing all the time like we were

01:08:19.577 --> 01:08:22.257
demons um just always competing in

01:08:22.257 --> 01:08:25.017
training born and raised in the area um yeah i grew up

01:08:25.017 --> 01:08:27.677
around here um but not here here but and you

01:08:27.677 --> 01:08:30.377
moved here i'm from kentucky i ain't not

01:08:30.377 --> 01:08:37.497
my kentucky mule i'm about to change your name my phone the mule is calling

01:08:37.497 --> 01:08:44.477
gotta go but yeah so um yeah I was just training all the time and like that

01:08:44.477 --> 01:08:50.017
was the thing and got like super deep into it but then like enough like

01:08:50.387 --> 01:08:53.227
people dropping out of fights on me, not getting them made up,

01:08:53.227 --> 01:08:56.107
and, like, that just, like, started to wear me down.

01:08:56.367 --> 01:08:59.727
Also, like, part of that was just cutting weight and going through all the camps

01:08:59.727 --> 01:09:03.727
and, like, all that and people, like, not showing up for fights. We went to Texas.

01:09:04.067 --> 01:09:05.927
Oh, yeah. He went through a full fight camp, full weight cut.

01:09:06.247 --> 01:09:07.847
We went, we flew our ass down to awesome. We had a broken toe,

01:09:08.067 --> 01:09:11.667
too. You had a fucked up foot, and his opponent didn't even show up.

01:09:12.227 --> 01:09:16.827
That's fucked. It's fucked, man. Oh, God. He broke his toe during weight cuts. Allegedly.

01:09:17.167 --> 01:09:19.047
You're like, so did I, motherfucker? Yeah, I was about to say it.

01:09:19.047 --> 01:09:21.127
They held out in a local fight. Yeah.

01:09:21.807 --> 01:09:24.447
They just don't breed them like, you know, Virginia does down there.

01:09:24.507 --> 01:09:24.867
Yeah, that's different.

01:09:25.187 --> 01:09:28.547
Down Texas way. That's different out here. They say they're tough, but they'll hold them.

01:09:28.827 --> 01:09:32.067
We should have a better. In the commonwealth, we stick to our word.

01:09:32.207 --> 01:09:33.307
Yeah, we got that Shenandoah strength.

01:09:33.807 --> 01:09:37.767
There you go. Shenandoah strength. That's a good one. Copyright. Make that a t-shirt.

01:09:38.847 --> 01:09:43.647
First use right there. But so, like, that started to, all of that started to

01:09:43.647 --> 01:09:47.127
burn me out. And there were other behind the scenes factors with,

01:09:47.127 --> 01:09:51.647
you know, stuff going on with the gym and all. We don't need to air all that out. It doesn't matter.

01:09:52.127 --> 01:09:55.967
That part doesn't matter. But, um, but so, you know, it was just starting to

01:09:55.967 --> 01:09:58.547
get kind of burnout on it. Cause I was managing the gym.

01:09:58.707 --> 01:10:02.687
I was coaching, trying to compete all the competition stuff,

01:10:02.807 --> 01:10:04.507
you know, all, all the good student.

01:10:05.027 --> 01:10:09.187
While being a good student. Well, I was at that point I was already done being a student.

01:10:09.307 --> 01:10:14.027
Yeah. That was the lead up is the being a student. but um after all that and

01:10:14.027 --> 01:10:18.287
then needed some more stability for i was getting married and so,

01:10:18.827 --> 01:10:21.527
i was like all right so then i had to find i found

01:10:21.527 --> 01:10:26.647
a new passion i started working in brewing and so like that's the that's the

01:10:26.647 --> 01:10:31.947
second that's the the duo of it and so i started going into and like got super

01:10:31.947 --> 01:10:35.747
deep into that because again i i'm like i'm all in on stuff so i got super deep

01:10:35.747 --> 01:10:39.807
and i was still training i mean i was you guys were getting the gym set up um.

01:10:40.691 --> 01:10:45.251
Partway through that. So it was helping out with that a little bit and still

01:10:45.251 --> 01:10:46.991
popping in and training from time to time.

01:10:47.131 --> 01:10:51.731
And, but I was like, the main thing changed. Like I had, I can do like one main

01:10:51.731 --> 01:10:58.531
focus deep into brewing until like brewing becomes a thing that like now it

01:10:58.531 --> 01:10:59.811
became the thing I didn't want to do.

01:11:00.091 --> 01:11:03.891
Like went from like, Oh, this is great. I'm like making stuff hands on all the time.

01:11:04.271 --> 01:11:07.511
Um, have something made at the end of the day, did it.

01:11:07.591 --> 01:11:10.871
Cause I did not want to sit at a desk and now

01:11:10.871 --> 01:11:15.271
i'm sitting at a desk running a brewery like this isn't what i this isn't why

01:11:15.271 --> 01:11:18.811
i did this like this isn't what this isn't the passion that brought me into

01:11:18.811 --> 01:11:27.711
it and so i started going back to i started going deep back into jujitsu and at first you know

01:11:28.151 --> 01:11:32.951
tell my wife i'm like oh yeah you know it'll just be a fun hobby thing and no

01:11:32.951 --> 01:11:36.471
it's fine you know i'll go into a different mindset this time i'll just do it

01:11:36.471 --> 01:11:39.731
for fun and then she's like oh great And then, nope.

01:11:40.811 --> 01:11:44.651
And then... Like, she doesn't know who he is. I'm like, sure, Michael.

01:11:45.571 --> 01:11:47.651
She's just smiling, holding one of the kids. She's like, whatever you say.

01:11:47.771 --> 01:11:50.971
Yeah. Whatever you say. So, around what time is this? Like, what year is this?

01:11:51.631 --> 01:11:58.191
So, getting back deep into jujitsu would have been, like, two years ago-ish.

01:11:59.931 --> 01:12:00.291
In...

01:12:01.433 --> 01:12:05.353
And then it was like, you know, it was like the first time again. You get like that, like.

01:12:05.553 --> 01:12:08.933
Let's all come back. Get all giddy. You get all, you start, you start feeling

01:12:08.933 --> 01:12:10.773
the rush again. You start, you know.

01:12:11.613 --> 01:12:15.153
You start like choking people out and you start being like, ooh.

01:12:15.673 --> 01:12:17.173
I like it. Choke me again.

01:12:18.493 --> 01:12:23.653
I love cuddling. And then you get the idea to start doing like a tournament again.

01:12:23.873 --> 01:12:27.173
You go and do a tournament. You win a match. And you're like, oh.

01:12:27.593 --> 01:12:32.453
Oh, I remember this feeling. I remember this feeling. and then it was just fucking

01:12:32.453 --> 01:12:34.913
all from there. It's like full bore again.

01:12:35.133 --> 01:12:39.413
Like I was like, this is what I need to do again. I need to do this again. So now I'm back in that.

01:12:40.833 --> 01:12:44.373
Quit my job. You guys watch Lord of the Rings? Of course. Remember that King

01:12:44.373 --> 01:12:46.133
Fade and he's like, I remember this sword.

01:12:47.213 --> 01:12:51.373
That's why he's like, I remember this sword. And I was like,

01:12:51.433 --> 01:12:54.373
no, like this is, this is the thing I want to do now.

01:12:54.593 --> 01:12:59.653
Like I'm going to do this again. Like, so like I re-found the passion for Jiu

01:12:59.653 --> 01:13:03.753
Jitsu because like, the other things going on at the time, like kind of broke

01:13:03.753 --> 01:13:07.833
that, like broke the focus for one, but also like took.

01:13:08.253 --> 01:13:11.453
Made it hard to tap into the passion again.

01:13:11.693 --> 01:13:14.673
Cause there was just so much other stuff going on. And like,

01:13:15.073 --> 01:13:17.873
you know, you're, you're also worried about, you're about to get married.

01:13:18.013 --> 01:13:20.893
Like you have to think about what does that mean? I'm getting married.

01:13:21.093 --> 01:13:25.293
Like you have a family. I need to, that, that has to be priority number one,

01:13:25.453 --> 01:13:28.353
which is like, so priorities change a little bit.

01:13:28.373 --> 01:13:31.653
So you have to be like, all right, well I need to find the thing that, makes

01:13:31.653 --> 01:13:34.673
that work it makes that a stable thing

01:13:34.673 --> 01:13:37.593
and now we're in a place where everything like it's it's stable like

01:13:37.593 --> 01:13:40.973
i don't have to worry about that anymore um and so

01:13:40.973 --> 01:13:43.953
once that security's there now like get

01:13:43.953 --> 01:13:47.113
the feel for that thing that you really loved in the first place

01:13:47.113 --> 01:13:50.593
and so now i'm back into that so like started found

01:13:50.593 --> 01:13:53.453
you know reach kind of the pinnacle of in terms of

01:13:53.453 --> 01:13:56.193
like climb the ladder in the career that i chose

01:13:56.193 --> 01:13:58.993
to go into but then found the thing i

01:13:58.993 --> 01:14:01.833
actually love doing again like jiu-jitsu is what i love to

01:14:01.833 --> 01:14:04.793
do like i love doing jiu-jitsu and now i'm back into that i'm

01:14:04.793 --> 01:14:07.573
coaching i don't coach every day like him sometimes it's

01:14:07.573 --> 01:14:11.633
like three sometimes five depends on if i'm covering classes but then training

01:14:11.633 --> 01:14:15.673
six days a week um and like that's just i don't know it's just what i'm built

01:14:15.673 --> 01:14:19.093
for i guess that's awesome and by the way next time we do a collab i want a

01:14:19.093 --> 01:14:25.193
sutherland brew oh i want to have it over a booski bring up some moonshot i'll bring oh.

01:14:26.313 --> 01:14:31.053
He used to bring me after hours yeah I think that's so important man because like,

01:14:31.915 --> 01:14:36.255
You see so many people live their lives, but they don't live their lives, you know?

01:14:36.495 --> 01:14:39.275
They kind of just follow, like, a predetermined path that other people are like,

01:14:39.335 --> 01:14:41.935
this is what you should do. This is how it should work.

01:14:42.375 --> 01:14:46.535
But, like, and then people look at, like, the jobs that we have and don't think

01:14:46.535 --> 01:14:49.155
that, especially early on. Like, now it's becoming more of a career.

01:14:49.555 --> 01:14:53.575
But, like, early on, like, how many people that told you, like, ah, that's not a career?

01:14:54.035 --> 01:14:55.755
Ah, that's not a career. You know, like, super. Fuck them, man.

01:14:55.815 --> 01:14:56.855
Block them from my ears. Yeah, yeah.

01:14:56.855 --> 01:14:59.855
So, like, there's one of those things. but it's like you gotta like envision what

01:14:59.855 --> 01:15:03.015
you want your life to look like five years from now ten years from now it's like you're fucking

01:15:03.015 --> 01:15:05.995
sitting there taking orders in a cubicle wearing a i don't

01:15:05.995 --> 01:15:09.155
even know how to tie a tie you know like sitting

01:15:09.155 --> 01:15:11.915
there doing all this it's like i'd rather be doing the thing i like

01:15:11.915 --> 01:15:14.995
to do now you find ways to i don't

01:15:14.995 --> 01:15:18.015
say necessarily monetize it be fun ways to make it into your career and one

01:15:18.015 --> 01:15:22.135
of the cool things you guys did was do this podcast um the way i mean your podcast

01:15:22.135 --> 01:15:26.935
literally inspired us because like when you brought me on that day i literally

01:15:26.935 --> 01:15:32.375
got in the car and i um all four of us by the way what you guys just missed

01:15:32.375 --> 01:15:34.715
was a giant uh fist bump circle,

01:15:36.175 --> 01:15:40.195
should we hold hands we have a candle in the middle of the room.

01:15:41.935 --> 01:15:46.575
There is actually no other lighting besides this candle um romantic

01:15:46.575 --> 01:15:50.955
as fuck um the romantic as fuck podcast yes actually that is gonna be the title

01:15:50.955 --> 01:15:57.855
of this podcast i like that passion and romance yeah a man in his part yeah

01:15:57.855 --> 01:16:04.615
that's right episode 16 bromance 69 episode 69 with the guys that's gonna be

01:16:04.615 --> 01:16:06.235
a long ass release date but,

01:16:06.935 --> 01:16:10.855
but no man it's like like after that podcast immediately i called him,

01:16:11.543 --> 01:16:14.343
got in the car, called him, I was like, dude, I'm going to Best Buy right now.

01:16:14.523 --> 01:16:16.683
We need to do this right now. What are you doing? He just started swiping.

01:16:17.983 --> 01:16:21.843
No, we're not even, I don't even care. I have a problem.

01:16:23.043 --> 01:16:28.123
He texted me a picture of the receipt that he's like, bro, look what I've done.

01:16:29.043 --> 01:16:32.143
Look what you mean to me. It looked like a cheesecake factory menu.

01:16:33.463 --> 01:16:37.203
It's like a booklet. Oh my God. This shit is a life sentence,

01:16:37.343 --> 01:16:41.003
man. We're all over life, man. It's too much fun though. Yeah, it's good. It's good.

01:16:41.543 --> 01:16:47.843
Oh yeah rock and roll guys oh yeah well well now well that is where we should conclude.

01:16:49.583 --> 01:16:52.603
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