Check Your Ego: Learn from Everyone on the Mat + A New Segment Debut (Episode 66)

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Welcome back to fire drinking coffee podcast

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guys we are your hosts scott dance

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and michael sutherland uh we'll actually be

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debuting before we get into it a new

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segment today uh at the end of

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the show so make sure to stick around uh between when

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we finish with this the concept of the day and our ad read we'll have a new

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segment so make sure you guys stick around check it out um so let's get into

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it so hierarchy is big in jujitsu right like we've talked about this on the show.

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And if you actually break that down a little bit and start getting and breaking

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down like those layers, there's actually a lot more you can learn because there's

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a lot of people with a lot of different experience in the jujitsu world.

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And even though that experience might not be in jujitsu,

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they actually have experience in other things,

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whether that's like the professional world or other sports or you

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know life in general so um let's

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talk about learning from everyone in the gym so scott

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yeah i'm sure i mean you're a black belt right you're

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generally in in

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a room you tend to sit at like in the traditional hierarchy

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at like the top um but i'm sure you've had experience with this because like

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i have too we're like there's people that if you don't let yourself you might

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not be able to you might they might have something to teach you right um so um,

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Let's talk about it. Let's talk about it. Let's talk about that.

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Yeah, dude. I guess my initial reaction is after 21 years of doing this.

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And doing it more and more, more involvement and more time on the mat,

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as I've gone through that 21 years, I'm on the mat now more than I was back then is what I'm saying.

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Um it uh funny we're gonna talk about this later but you can get stuck into

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a rhythm where you do the same things over and over again you do it 21 years

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you're gonna learn about how you,

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how you fight in quotes and um your style and what you're good at and um you

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know i think you'd written down ego as a part of this process um and if so i

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guess this is my initial reaction but.

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Um one way that i think like hits this thread from my perspective is that if

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you if you get into this training habit of constantly just doing what you always do really well with,

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the purpose of trying to like win all your training rounds and um.

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That can become a little flat as time goes on.

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I mean, if you become a black belt, and like you said, if you're,

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depends on the room you're in, which is going to be a big part of what we'll

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discuss here, but if you're the black belt training with the same guys over and over again,

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or like in your, we'll call it your house, in your academy, and you just can

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beat everyone up, if that's the case, constantly,

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and you're not seeking out new ways,

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we can call them mindsets I guess like new goals perhaps for

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training um you're leaving

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opportunity to enhance your overall

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game overall style so basically what I'm saying it's

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it's it's connected to this point which is that um we were

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talking before the show like there's the the cool

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thing about jiu-jitsu is that it's so dense and

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full of different little avenues you

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can take training styles and hold like take

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leg locks for example like if you like historically not

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been a leg locker like me for example um and when you have an opportunity to

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go with like a good blue belt or a pro blood or whatever someone who does not

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your rank you're sparring with that dude and let's just say it's like you know

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like a like a you know marathon rule like a sparring class or something like

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that where all you're really doing is sparring um.

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So you might be, I think you are leaving opportunity on the table to expand

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your overall knowledge of the game if you constantly just seek to shut down

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what these other dudes who maybe overall aren't as good as you,

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because let's say you have the ability to shut down a good Purple Belts leg

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lock game entirely just so you can impose what you do day in,

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day out on that individual.

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Um well that might be like a a low

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dose of a boost to your

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ego to just say after the same class

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for years and months beat him again uh yippee go me um it might not be as fun

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it might not be as challenging it's not as uh rewarding as saying hey you know

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what for a little while let's let's let's let this guy play his game and if

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you i get tapped out big deal um if i,

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if I do get tapped out it gives me the opportunity to like look into what the

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purple belt by the way probably wants to do sometimes too doesn't always have

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to be about you in training especially like if you're a black belt or a coach,

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you should fairly often indulge some of these guys and give them a chance to

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explore what they're good at too it's like do you have to win every single round

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with like your teammates too by the way

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especially if you're a coach if you're a black belt or a coach like you they

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give a duty to allow these guys to like.

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If you can mash someone on the ground for six minutes non-stop,

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more power to you, yippee, but,

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you might not be that fun of a guy to train with in general and some of these

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dudes they probably won't say no to you because you're a black belt if you ask

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them to train and say alright here we go but I know what's going to happen but

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mix it up a little bit to the point.

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There's value for that other person in being able to actually expand what they do with you

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instead of just getting crushed from every position all the time.

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And then by the way you get the chance to actually see them play

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out something different too and that teaches you something yeah um

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and the words we have written

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on our outline here right check your ego and i

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know that's like a cliche in jujitsu the like check

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your ego at the door um but like

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i i look at this as like the constructive like

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here's actually what what is the practice of

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here's like what checking your ego should be accomplishing like

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it's not about like being willing to lose on the

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well it partially but like it's not that's not

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what it's about it's not about like check your ego because you're going

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to get beat up it's like hey actually if you don't worry about being better

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than the other people in the room and you like put that aside because like ego

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is a part of it it's fine like it's okay like you're going to have an ego involved

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with your success and progress That's a normal thing.

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But what we're saying in this case is if you check your ego and actually say,

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hey, I already know I'm better.

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I know I beat this guy or I know that my rank is higher than this person.

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Rather than trying to prove to them that I'm the better grappler on the mat every time.

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Every single day. Like, yeah, sometimes you got to let them know.

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But, you know, rather than being like, hey, I'm just going to show up every day.

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I'm going to beat up John and—not big John, but, you know, like— Some random

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guy named John. Johnny Jiu-Jitsu.

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I'm going to show up every day. I'm going to beat him up and—,

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that's just go home that's my day i won

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i'm the best you know like that's one he's

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not getting better your your johnny jujitsu isn't

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getting better you're probably not getting better either at least at a snail's

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pace right um because you're just smashing the same dude over and over and over

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again uh because i mean a lot of the time you do have the same training partner

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every day right like that's a pretty common occurrence um but so it's a slow

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progression like you said if that's what you're doing.

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If I can say one thing too about the ego idea, like it's like,

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we're inherently like ego-driven human beings.

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This, I would challenge people, like it's actually even more constructive in

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a positive way for your ego to reframe it along the lines of what we're talking

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about. Like you're training because.

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Doing this, like, weirdly, paradoxically, if you're suppressing your ego,

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it makes you better at what you're doing.

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Overall, if you seek to go in and learn a little bit more often,

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seeking to win and seeking to learn can both be done.

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At the same time, if you've disciplined yourself to learn how to do that harmoniously.

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But I would say to people, and this is why we talk about competition.

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It's been about nine minutes, Mike. I brought it up.

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Maybe a little more than nine minutes. but we took a

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little bet before this yeah when we talk about competition which uh

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when it would come up i just say that to say um like if

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you have like this is to me and we've talked about this

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it's this thread of like the psychology behind why you train and

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what you're doing that i like about competition is that it kind

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of gives you the purpose like in a competition setting that's where you get

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to really express your ego like really impose like i'm gonna like like john

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talked about yeah that's the time to be that's the time to do it super ego driven

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yeah that's pure ego and so doing this means I think it appropriately frames how you practice,

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into when I'm in the training room,

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you're always going to have a chance to express what you're good at when you're

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training too you should do that too of course

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even when you're doing the new thing you should be trying hard if we're doing

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a leg lock exchange with a guy who's not ranked the same as anybody maybe better

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at leg locks than me which by the way that's another third that we talked about

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which happens all the time too it's a good thing um.

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You're obviously going to try hard to like do well in that exchange,

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but with the awareness that this guy might be better than you and that you've

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intentionally taken that risk to try to explore and learn.

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But like that makes you just your, that supports your big picture ego down the

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road in a more appropriate environment, like a competition to express that because

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you're taking the time in your weekly routine to educate yourself,

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not just say I'm still the guy in the training room, which we've,

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we've beaten that concept.

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Yeah. many times to the ground definitely I mean we've talked about what we

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talked about on the sandbagging episode we talked so many episodes so many episodes,

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yeah and so like you brought up you know training with that guy who's a lower belt.

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Which I think that's a big part of this in about like the checking your ego

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thing right like a lot of this is hey we're gonna train with this lower belt

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and we have to get something out of it like alright well how do we do that well,

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If you can just smash them, if you're playing your A game, smashing this dude,

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they can't do anything. It doesn't work.

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But this person might also, like you said, they could be more,

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they might have decided to devote the entire four or five years they've done

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jujitsu to exclusively doing leg locks.

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And you might have trained for 12 years and just started doing leg locks.

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They have time on, they have hours, mat hours in that situation,

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that position, doing those moves that you don't have

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yet and you know despite the fact that you're a brown belt a black belt that

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purple belt is still better at it than you and you have to be willing to accept

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it like hey i'm i'm the newbie i'm the rookie in this situation this person

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it's their turn to teach me how to do this yeah um.

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And that's a rewarding experience yeah and

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like they'll appreciate it too

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yeah they're they're gonna appreciate because they're also gonna get

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better because they're gonna have to and we'll definitely talk more

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about this but they're gonna have to explain to you what they do they're gonna

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be able to show it to you and then you guys could kind of workshop it and you

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might have some other you know experience in other parts or you might be better

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at like a different aspect of the sport that you can then use to translate it,

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right? Or improve their game too.

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Because you might be, hey, maybe you're really good at.

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Bolo's or shin to shin guard or

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like just maybe really good butterfly guard and you can now take

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what you know about that translate it and apply

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it to what they're teaching you and then make their game even

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better and you kind of create this like little powwow of you

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know improvement going on yeah um and

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you can do that in a bunch of different positions but like a lot of jujitsu

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the concepts translate so you can

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use that like knowledge share to

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improve both sides of the party it's not just you taking from

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what they're showing you right like you can still teach them

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if you know maybe that helps you do this because you

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feel like you're not just getting lectured by lower belt if

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you still haven't broken down the hierarchy barrier in

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your brain but um yeah i

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mean like heck i go to classes where they're taught

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by lower belts twice a week sometimes and doesn't

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matter they're they know things i don't know they do things i don't do i

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have a very specific game that I because I compete like

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I have I do very specific things

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that they do other specific things

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like they're doing these things with the reason and so I'll roll

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with them and sometimes just have to be like all right hey I'm gonna lose that's

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fine or this is going to be a lot harder than if I just played my a game I'm

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gonna play my b game we're gonna explore what they're doing and try to figure

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it out heck in some cases it's my d game it's not great you know and like all

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right We're going to explore what they're trying to do.

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And we're going to try to figure that out and troubleshoot this.

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Whether it's to do what they're doing or to counter what they're doing.

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So especially when it's younger guys, because they are playing meta stuff,

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which is a whole nother can of worms, right?

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Um, they're playing meta games at this point. Um,

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Yeah, I mean, like, so you got to break those ranks down.

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Don't let it become a barrier to, this is why I brought up the goals in competition,

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because, like, I think it just gives you, like, a true north for,

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like, why you're continually doing this.

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It's a way to do that. You can just as easily have a true student attitude all

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the time, and I think some of the best black belts have that.

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But don't let it become a barrier to you.

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I think this ultimately makes you a better training partner

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too when all the rounds aren't completely and utterly

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about you it's weird like when you're not competing it's weird that they're

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that you would go in with that framework but then again whatever we interview

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some people who don't compete sometimes and get their psychology for some of

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these folks that is their competition so whatever no problem but all I would

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say even to that audience is like,

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as I suppose if we're talking about like the framework of like being like a

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high-ranked guy with an open mind to.

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I was going to say acquiesce to allow scenarios that they're not apex in to

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develop so they can play around and learn more stuff.

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If that's the framework that we're messing around with, I think it kind of is.

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It's one of them. It's one of them, right? Yeah, we have a couple different

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things. Well, it's different when you're a blue belt or a white belt when you're

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like, oh, man, everyone here is going to teach me something.

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They're like, I don't really have a choice.

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It's definitely like the higher, the top guy, the guys who are kind of like

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the better ones in the room. We brought up the ego. It's like,

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usually that's like when you get promoted, like that's just kind of when it

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starts to, to, to, to develop.

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Um, yeah, I just, I, I say that to say that, you know, if you don't,

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you know, some days of the week you want to go in and that's why I brought up competition.

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Maybe you're going to be competing in a couple of months and you're like,

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yo, like I gotta, what I'll tell, what I'll tell my, my competitors to do a

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lot of times is to segment their training rounds.

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Let's again, marathon rolling style classes where it's going to be like a good

00:16:42.019 --> 00:16:45.599
block an hour or more to get a bunch of sparring rounds. and I'll recommend

00:16:45.599 --> 00:16:49.759
people to like split up their rounds between A game, and then we can call it

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B game, I kind of call it like.

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Round you want to win to exercise your game plan because there's a skill to

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that of like being able to impose and um win the round that a competitor needs

00:17:03.141 --> 00:17:04.261
because you need to learn how to do that.

00:17:04.741 --> 00:17:07.561
Um but then you juxtapose that you're like you know if there's like eight

00:17:07.561 --> 00:17:10.621
rounds it's like round one is win round two is

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explore learn flow yeah we we've talked

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about it before or half and half structure that however yeah we talked about 50

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50 rule just a concept of like you know

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you could do it however you want like maybe you go and you're like all right

00:17:21.021 --> 00:17:22.021
i've got a maybe you've seen

00:17:22.021 --> 00:17:25.101
your bracket in like four weeks and you're like i've got to win four

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times to to get a gold medal so i just maybe

00:17:27.861 --> 00:17:30.481
even just for my conditioning and just to have that psychology i want to i need to

00:17:30.481 --> 00:17:33.341
win four times in a row to get that gold medal you could

00:17:33.341 --> 00:17:36.201
go into an eight round sparring class and say let me

00:17:36.201 --> 00:17:38.881
win the first four rounds in the last four rounds i'll just i'll fuck

00:17:38.881 --> 00:17:41.641
around i'll play around my friends because or five or

00:17:41.641 --> 00:17:44.921
six if you really need that conditioning i gotta i gotta overdo it but you

00:17:44.921 --> 00:17:47.881
get what i'm saying because i want to throw like a fire drinking coffee stamp

00:17:47.881 --> 00:17:50.861
on that system uh we'll we'll call

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it the you know i like to think of like the

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50 50 rule of like execution versus exploration oh yeah

00:17:57.041 --> 00:17:59.921
you like that um because yeah i

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mean you're i like it executing the game plan for half

00:18:03.541 --> 00:18:07.841
your rounds and you're exploring you want to win you're exploring just the art

00:18:07.841 --> 00:18:12.881
right like sport and art but i i've had this this um i i think i kind of had

00:18:12.881 --> 00:18:19.561
to develop some of that myself out of necessity being in a coaching slash head

00:18:19.561 --> 00:18:23.341
coaching position for a long time where I'll be in my own academy and I'll do that.

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And I have to challenge myself to not just try to crush everyone because I'm not.

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I also coach these guys. So I think about them and I care about like what they need too.

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So like, I think it's a good way to, if you're maybe with this same thread where

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it's like, you're that black belt, you're maybe a head coach or something.

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And, um, ego and identity becomes kind of mandatory in a sense.

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Um, you have a profile, but at the same time that you're responsible for helping people.

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So like, Hey, you know, like I, I just, it came sort of easy to me because I

00:18:56.276 --> 00:18:59.176
had no other choice, but to focus on the, the, the squad too.

00:19:01.496 --> 00:19:05.556
Just remember you're doing a job for them too it's like you're still a coach

00:19:05.556 --> 00:19:11.536
so help these people not just beat them into the dust you'll still do that sometimes,

00:19:12.556 --> 00:19:16.756
people listening kind of know that too every so often they kind of like they

00:19:16.756 --> 00:19:22.396
expect it and they know it might happen you shouldn't be beating them up beating them up,

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and by the way too a healthy mature group of adult,

00:19:29.176 --> 00:19:33.736
males or females or whatever who um know each other pretty well they'll know

00:19:33.736 --> 00:19:38.536
when you're like allowing them to if your ego is so fragile like it's not a

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big deal like people don't,

00:19:40.436 --> 00:19:48.576
who cares is really truly like who cares go learn but i promise you that like my purple belts,

00:19:49.276 --> 00:19:54.736
if they get me in something they know they know maybe they maybe they actually

00:19:54.736 --> 00:19:57.456
got it and i'm but I won't let them know if they have it.

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Yeah, that's your, you have built-in ego protection, right? My final Jedi mind trick.

00:20:01.896 --> 00:20:04.076
They don't, they don't know who they are. I don't want them to know.

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They have to sit there and guess.

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But I just don't know, and again, that's just like a last-ditch ego-stroking thing. Who cares, man?

00:20:10.616 --> 00:20:13.616
But, but yeah, like, make it about them sometimes, too.

00:20:13.916 --> 00:20:16.756
Yeah, I mean, that's, dude, that's super important. And like,

00:20:17.216 --> 00:20:20.356
actually, so that, I was, I had that thought in my head, right?

00:20:20.556 --> 00:20:22.476
So the letting them work thing.

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You don't have to tell someone I'm letting you work. Well, when... They know.

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Yeah, well, yeah, definitely don't tell them because now you're just...

00:20:30.591 --> 00:20:33.131
Now it's condescending. Now you're protecting your ego, right? Right.

00:20:33.431 --> 00:20:39.331
You also, you have to decide before the round starts that you're going to let them work.

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You don't get to start, like, you don't get to decide... You can do a mid-round.

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Sometimes, if I may... Let me... Okay, go ahead, go ahead. You don't get to

00:20:46.751 --> 00:20:49.391
decide once they start getting the better of you that you're like,

00:20:49.511 --> 00:20:51.591
well, now I'm going to let him work. Oh, I get all frustrated.

00:20:51.931 --> 00:20:55.091
Then you're not checking your ego at that point. That's just you protecting

00:20:55.091 --> 00:20:58.991
your ego because you're like, actually, you know what, I'm letting him work now.

00:20:59.991 --> 00:21:03.571
You're right. You have to know. Just to frame that. You have to decide. Yeah.

00:21:03.751 --> 00:21:07.651
Yeah. Like, yeah, if you're on top and you're beating them, it's a different story, right?

00:21:07.671 --> 00:21:12.251
Like, if you're smashing them and you decide,

00:21:12.391 --> 00:21:15.231
like, all right, well, like, I could sit here and smash him for the next two

00:21:15.231 --> 00:21:21.711
minutes or I could present, like, a reversal for them and then allow them to

00:21:21.711 --> 00:21:23.271
work. Yeah. That's a different thing. Yeah.

00:21:24.651 --> 00:21:27.691
The intentionality, intention is important. I know exactly what you mean, dude.

00:21:27.811 --> 00:21:32.631
And by the way, if I may, that could even be a better way to structure the 50-50

00:21:32.631 --> 00:21:35.951
split too where you're like, hey man, like I already won this match. It's a minute 90.

00:21:36.271 --> 00:21:39.171
We got four minutes left to go or whatever.

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Three and a half minutes left to go in the round. Like, cool,

00:21:42.631 --> 00:21:44.591
so I won that round. I'm moving to the semifinal.

00:21:44.731 --> 00:21:47.791
If you're using that, like, you know, that- Hit your sub and then flip it.

00:21:47.851 --> 00:21:50.291
Yeah, dude, give him a chance to work the last three minutes because maybe that's

00:21:50.291 --> 00:21:51.431
the only round you get with that guy,

00:21:52.051 --> 00:21:54.911
before you go to the next training partner so then you're like yeah cool

00:21:54.911 --> 00:21:57.771
did it sub them won that round moving to the next round like

00:21:57.771 --> 00:21:59.531
if you're playing that tournament if you're a competitor and you're like yeah

00:21:59.531 --> 00:22:00.791
i got i got to get conditioned i

00:22:00.791 --> 00:22:05.131
got an hour moving in the bullpen yeah yeah and then hey you know just just

00:22:05.131 --> 00:22:08.471
food for thought for people to think about how to like also manage their energy

00:22:08.471 --> 00:22:15.171
um cool yeah do that and then like yeah like cool choked him out in like eight

00:22:15.171 --> 00:22:18.971
you know 28 seconds that was really nice and we got four and a half more minutes

00:22:18.971 --> 00:22:20.531
or whatever let's uh let's play around.

00:22:21.502 --> 00:22:23.562
Next round, I got Mike anyway, so I'm going to think about Mike,

00:22:23.722 --> 00:22:25.562
too. Now I got a leg lock Mike. You know what I mean? It's like,

00:22:25.662 --> 00:22:28.122
you get what I'm saying? Shoot, Mike's going to try to attack me.

00:22:28.302 --> 00:22:32.602
Well, I always, part of what I'll do when I'm in, like, a training environment,

00:22:32.602 --> 00:22:38.122
like, where I need to get my fitness and my conditioning because I still compete.

00:22:39.022 --> 00:22:42.462
And so I do need that challenge. I'll book my guys in advance.

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I call, like, I make reservations.

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Like, I say, hey, brother, like, can we do the third round? All right,

00:22:46.182 --> 00:22:47.882
your third round. Like, I'll book people.

00:22:48.342 --> 00:22:50.702
So I know that I'm, like, good. Like, I'm going to get this on a black boat.

00:22:50.702 --> 00:22:52.622
He's coming around the corner. That's going to be a tough one.

00:22:52.942 --> 00:22:55.722
In between that, maybe I, I take a rest round or maybe like,

00:22:55.802 --> 00:22:58.282
you know, whatever you, I'll, I'll, I'll make sure that I'm,

00:22:58.342 --> 00:23:01.042
I'm being held accountable in my, in my training sessions.

00:23:01.722 --> 00:23:05.322
Um, it's just a fun little weird thing that I'm mentioning here for people to

00:23:05.322 --> 00:23:08.782
like, think about how they spend their time. People do this stuff. I'm sure you do it too.

00:23:09.102 --> 00:23:12.502
We were like, all right, John's next round. Big ass John. Okay.

00:23:12.922 --> 00:23:13.842
That's going to be tough.

00:23:14.442 --> 00:23:17.482
Yeah, exactly. I'm going to have to work. Yeah. All right. He's probably going

00:23:17.482 --> 00:23:22.522
to try to smash me. Maybe I get, like, the 145-pound solid purple belt for a

00:23:22.522 --> 00:23:24.082
minute here. It's not going to, like, be as physical.

00:23:24.222 --> 00:23:26.662
It'll be a little more intellectual of a round, hard.

00:23:27.022 --> 00:23:30.282
But I'll get out of it with all my fingers and my toes and a little bit of gas

00:23:30.282 --> 00:23:32.602
in the tank for that big giant coming at me in a minute.

00:23:34.642 --> 00:23:41.102
Which the John thing does. You can't—you also can't decide you're going to let

00:23:41.102 --> 00:23:43.462
them work and literally just, like, lay there and let them smash you.

00:23:43.462 --> 00:23:44.582
Yeah, you want to be a good training partner. Yeah.

00:23:45.102 --> 00:23:48.582
Don't be a piece of shit. I could say, I could tell myself that I'm letting

00:23:48.582 --> 00:23:52.382
John work and just let him smash me, but that's not really, no one's,

00:23:52.462 --> 00:23:54.842
I still need to try, right? You don't play with your food.

00:23:55.042 --> 00:23:59.682
There's a level of try. Yeah, yeah, make it a valuable use of time for that guy, too.

00:23:59.822 --> 00:24:03.342
Yeah, like, you're not letting them work if you're just dead fishing and just

00:24:03.342 --> 00:24:06.122
not doing anything at all.

00:24:06.262 --> 00:24:09.162
Well, then it stops becoming training at that point. It becomes something else.

00:24:09.522 --> 00:24:12.262
Yeah, just weird. That's still an ego thing, I suppose.

00:24:12.642 --> 00:24:15.262
Maybe you're so gassed that you're like, all right, brother, like...

00:24:16.128 --> 00:24:19.508
I'm gonna survive for a minute and just catch my breath there's so

00:24:19.508 --> 00:24:22.248
many ways to structure your training yeah there's there's

00:24:22.248 --> 00:24:26.088
a lot of stuff you could do there um which another

00:24:26.088 --> 00:24:28.948
thing we when we're talking about like competition right

00:24:28.948 --> 00:24:32.168
like and we've we use the word execution like

00:24:32.168 --> 00:24:35.088
the execution like you're in a phase where

00:24:35.088 --> 00:24:38.168
you're refining and executing

00:24:38.168 --> 00:24:41.528
your game plan rather than necessarily like

00:24:41.528 --> 00:24:45.288
trying to learn new things right like you're not

00:24:45.288 --> 00:24:48.048
especially in that last four weeks like you're not learning new shit

00:24:48.048 --> 00:24:50.988
in the last four weeks um just like you don't try new

00:24:50.988 --> 00:24:56.228
shit one of the rules of the road um but just

00:24:56.228 --> 00:25:00.588
like you're you're executing you're trying to make that game plan better but

00:25:00.588 --> 00:25:05.588
the other people in the room that aren't competing or at least not then right

00:25:05.588 --> 00:25:08.728
they're still all right hey we're gonna gather knowledge we're trying to get

00:25:08.728 --> 00:25:11.908
better we're trying to learn new things so that we have other things to look

00:25:11.908 --> 00:25:14.468
at and try to expand our game. And so.

00:25:15.363 --> 00:25:19.103
These guys might actually be picking up on things better than you are.

00:25:19.623 --> 00:25:22.603
Just as like another aspect of learning from the others in the room.

00:25:22.823 --> 00:25:26.443
Because they have that mindset. Yeah, because their mindset is set up for that. Right.

00:25:26.723 --> 00:25:32.763
Because I know when I'm in that last stretch, I'm not trying to pick up anything new.

00:25:33.123 --> 00:25:36.983
Unless it is directly like... Are you blocking it? You're like,

00:25:37.103 --> 00:25:38.383
fuck off with that new shit.

00:25:38.503 --> 00:25:42.443
I don't want to hear it. You just let it go through your... One ear out the other.

00:25:42.603 --> 00:25:45.003
He's being facetious. In hopes the cauliflower doesn't get in the way.

00:25:45.503 --> 00:25:49.723
Um, but yeah, like, you know, it's, yeah, you show up, but like,

00:25:49.923 --> 00:25:52.423
ultimately it's like, all right, cool. We learned that we did the thing.

00:25:52.503 --> 00:25:55.163
All right. Now I'm just going to do what I'm focused on. Right.

00:25:55.443 --> 00:25:58.383
That's just the way that ends up, ends up being in like, you'll,

00:25:58.463 --> 00:26:01.323
you're still respectful. You listen, if there's instruction going on,

00:26:01.423 --> 00:26:04.803
you don't, you don't just go, I will do that.

00:26:04.963 --> 00:26:08.283
I will never listen to you, which would be another ego thing.

00:26:08.783 --> 00:26:13.503
But, uh, it's a balance. I mean, to your point, like, yeah, you're getting close

00:26:13.503 --> 00:26:17.063
to competing and you are honing in on your game plan and you're refining it

00:26:17.063 --> 00:26:20.043
and you're pressure testing it and you're conditioning yourself.

00:26:20.043 --> 00:26:23.183
And usually you're pretty tired and sore from all of that too,

00:26:23.463 --> 00:26:25.083
from like the buildup to this tournament.

00:26:28.163 --> 00:26:31.443
So, yeah, justifiably you're pretty locked in on.

00:26:31.583 --> 00:26:35.623
Maybe not, like, maybe your execution part of your training is still really

00:26:35.623 --> 00:26:39.063
dialed into what you just do within your game for a tournament.

00:26:40.763 --> 00:26:45.663
And you downshift the, let's try to execute all of the new things.

00:26:45.683 --> 00:26:47.883
Not that you don't practice it, but yeah.

00:26:48.303 --> 00:26:50.443
Now there are pros and cons to that too. Yeah.

00:26:51.003 --> 00:26:55.843
But I guess, so now our new friend now, Johnny Jiu-Jitsu.

00:26:56.263 --> 00:27:00.043
Yeah. You know, he was paying attention in class and he was listening,

00:27:00.143 --> 00:27:05.363
he picked some things up and like he's actually able to, because he's in that

00:27:05.363 --> 00:27:10.583
like knowledge gain and learning phase, that now they might actually be able to take that in,

00:27:11.699 --> 00:27:15.879
depending on who they are they might understand the concept that's being taught or whatever.

00:27:17.119 --> 00:27:19.899
And they're able to you might be able to like

00:27:19.899 --> 00:27:22.719
leverage that to help you actually continue to get better

00:27:22.719 --> 00:27:25.719
without having to do new shit right like this guy

00:27:25.719 --> 00:27:28.639
might you know whatever your game

00:27:28.639 --> 00:27:32.259
is he might be able to one on as a training partner utilize

00:27:32.259 --> 00:27:35.279
what he's learning yeah to make it

00:27:35.279 --> 00:27:37.899
harder for you to do your game so that you have to adapt your game and

00:27:37.899 --> 00:27:40.559
get better right like so there i mean

00:27:40.559 --> 00:27:43.119
there's a bunch of different avenues there's also that they might just be able

00:27:43.119 --> 00:27:47.579
to explain it to you can i throw in a plot twist to this concept yes yes you

00:27:47.579 --> 00:27:53.359
may i'm gonna twist it um these are all really good ways to um this is relevant

00:27:53.359 --> 00:27:56.619
to the the core of what we're talking about and like ego and learning how to

00:27:56.619 --> 00:27:58.939
like soak up knowledge from a room of people,

00:27:59.779 --> 00:28:04.399
but um i think these are all really good tactical approaches to like let's say like your home base,

00:28:05.119 --> 00:28:07.779
your headquarters like with the guys you know really well and like the guys

00:28:07.779 --> 00:28:12.799
even you to your point you know aren't perhaps on that comp program that you're

00:28:12.799 --> 00:28:15.739
on but you're like you know you're like hey man,

00:28:16.339 --> 00:28:19.219
Billy or Johnny or whatever will be really good for me to like talk to when

00:28:19.219 --> 00:28:22.399
I need to like explore the new thing because I know he's paying attention to it,

00:28:23.359 --> 00:28:25.239
I would plot twist.

00:28:26.619 --> 00:28:27.599
This is also a good,

00:28:28.543 --> 00:28:31.303
mindset to have when you go visit other academies too oh yeah.

00:28:31.303 --> 00:28:34.883
For sure because that's a really great opportunity that's

00:28:34.883 --> 00:28:37.823
can be challenging too because like sometimes um and

00:28:37.823 --> 00:28:40.723
i have a friend who's doing this recently kind of going to another academy

00:28:40.723 --> 00:28:43.443
he's like dude like i'm talking to him before he goes like it's like we're talking

00:28:43.443 --> 00:28:45.303
about a tournament he's like man these guys are gonna come after me he's like

00:28:45.303 --> 00:28:46.083
i think i'm gonna do x y and

00:28:46.083 --> 00:28:49.083
z i'm like that was i'm fun with i was like nice yeah you should you should

00:28:49.083 --> 00:28:52.243
do that blah blah blah like think about hitting your bambolo and these

00:28:52.243 --> 00:28:55.083
things it's like oh we're going into a tournament like you're

00:28:55.083 --> 00:28:58.603
giving him a get your billion yeah kind of kind of it's fun um

00:28:58.603 --> 00:29:01.363
but you know i say then maybe you do that that

00:29:01.363 --> 00:29:04.203
could be an even better uh opportunity to do the 50 50

00:29:04.203 --> 00:29:07.143
thing where it's like go try to win a few rounds against the unknown guys

00:29:07.143 --> 00:29:10.083
but then also like really embrace the opportunity to see

00:29:10.083 --> 00:29:15.483
this new room and new cultures skill set um i

00:29:15.483 --> 00:29:18.403
try to do that a lot when i go to i've gone to a lot

00:29:18.403 --> 00:29:21.923
more lately uh to a lot of other academies and

00:29:21.923 --> 00:29:25.243
you get this by the way we're all playing the same sport oh

00:29:25.243 --> 00:29:28.243
yeah so that's the funny thing is all this stuff is like these the differences

00:29:28.243 --> 00:29:33.083
can be minute although they might feel really um noticeable

00:29:33.083 --> 00:29:36.343
when you go and you do this but um it's just

00:29:36.343 --> 00:29:39.503
a great way to get those

00:29:39.503 --> 00:29:42.463
new looks and see what makes and if you're going to like an account you

00:29:42.463 --> 00:29:44.543
went to another place for a reason you probably went because you're like oh

00:29:44.543 --> 00:29:47.123
these i've heard these guys are pretty good too and they're welcoming they're

00:29:47.123 --> 00:29:52.163
allowing me to come train so like that's really cool um i'm going here for a

00:29:52.163 --> 00:29:56.063
reason so I bet there's something to be gained from this you wouldn't go if.

00:29:56.063 --> 00:30:00.323
There wasn't so there is something to be gained from it like take that opportunity to like.

00:30:01.383 --> 00:30:04.743
Yeah, if you want to win a few rounds, put on a show a little bit, that's pretty cool.

00:30:04.883 --> 00:30:07.983
But, like, also, like, maybe even downshift that more when you go visit and

00:30:07.983 --> 00:30:10.223
say, let's do what you guys are really good at.

00:30:10.623 --> 00:30:14.023
Let's see how I can handle it. And maybe that ends up me getting beat up a little bit.

00:30:16.003 --> 00:30:19.183
And maybe someone at that academy, maybe you're gifting someone the opportunity

00:30:19.183 --> 00:30:23.523
to say, man, I tapped that guy out. I tapped Scott out. I tapped Micah. That's pretty cool.

00:30:24.383 --> 00:30:27.483
And give them a story, guys. But they know, too.

00:30:27.683 --> 00:30:31.883
It's also a good opportunity, right? like and I think this is good too because

00:30:31.883 --> 00:30:36.883
questions like asking questions because you can ask you know they do something

00:30:36.883 --> 00:30:40.883
they're doing it really well and like maybe you're having trouble shutting it down and.

00:30:41.903 --> 00:30:45.963
You get through that round be like hey dude like how are you doing that what

00:30:45.963 --> 00:30:50.843
are you doing and like have them like walk it through and then you guys can almost like well like,

00:30:51.463 --> 00:30:54.143
what would be your response if i do this and see what they

00:30:54.143 --> 00:30:57.263
do and then you well what if i do this and then like you can almost like

00:30:57.263 --> 00:31:00.363
start reverse engineering this stuff and you can use now

00:31:00.363 --> 00:31:03.343
you're balancing it off each other because he might not think about like well what about

00:31:03.343 --> 00:31:06.163
this this what if i counter with this it's like

00:31:06.163 --> 00:31:09.043
yeah i haven't had to haven't thought about that yeah and then now

00:31:09.043 --> 00:31:11.903
it's like all right well like let's work through that and now you're creating like

00:31:11.903 --> 00:31:15.363
a now you're just doing scenario drilling you guys are troubleshooting together

00:31:15.363 --> 00:31:18.143
yeah um and like another thing on

00:31:18.143 --> 00:31:21.123
questions too and actually that leads into another way

00:31:21.123 --> 00:31:23.983
you can learn from your white belts perfect um from

00:31:23.983 --> 00:31:27.143
the white belts mike oh even your white belt that's right guys you can learn

00:31:27.143 --> 00:31:32.623
from white belts um we're like and this is actually something that i noticed

00:31:32.623 --> 00:31:39.583
i noticed a long time ago um back at the back in the nova mma days we we should

00:31:39.583 --> 00:31:42.403
have a sound for when we talk about The good old days.

00:31:42.623 --> 00:31:46.943
The gong or like an old banjo. Yeah, like a little rocking chair. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:31:47.343 --> 00:31:50.443
It probably won't happen. I'd have to figure that out. That might be beyond

00:31:50.443 --> 00:31:52.203
my technical knowledge. Nah, you could.

00:31:53.683 --> 00:31:57.323
But I'll figure it out. We have the sound pad. But, you know,

00:31:57.483 --> 00:31:59.703
back in the good old days of Nova MMA.

00:32:01.263 --> 00:32:06.023
When we were teaching a lot and kind of figuring it out, but we were teaching

00:32:06.023 --> 00:32:09.223
a lot, I found out if I pick something, like, all right, we're going to work

00:32:09.223 --> 00:32:11.683
on this, or like we both would decide like, all right, we're doing,

00:32:11.843 --> 00:32:13.403
I feel like we did Kimuras a lot.

00:32:13.743 --> 00:32:18.283
It's like, all right, we're doing Kimuras, right? I, then I have to figure out the Kimura.

00:32:18.443 --> 00:32:21.743
And now when someone asked me a question, if they asked me a question about

00:32:21.743 --> 00:32:24.183
it, I have to demonstrate it and teach it.

00:32:24.343 --> 00:32:27.463
Yeah. Like I, and sometimes you don't, and that's okay too.

00:32:27.583 --> 00:32:31.123
If you don't know an answer, part of the ego thing, be willing to admit you

00:32:31.123 --> 00:32:35.483
don't know the answer, but you know, I, I might be like, Hey,

00:32:35.543 --> 00:32:36.643
like, I don't have an answer for you today.

00:32:36.863 --> 00:32:39.383
Now I have to go figure out I got to go learn something that no one else in

00:32:39.383 --> 00:32:42.463
the room knows because they they're asking me right so like now I've got to

00:32:42.463 --> 00:32:47.143
attain more knowledge to then be able to answer their question and answer it

00:32:47.143 --> 00:32:52.963
in a way that they understand so like hey does it matter if I have.

00:32:53.993 --> 00:32:57.173
My if i have my thumb in or my thumb out well like

00:32:57.173 --> 00:33:00.173
i gotta know right like well so i

00:33:00.173 --> 00:33:03.013
use no thumb when i no thumb in my grips when i do the kimura

00:33:03.013 --> 00:33:07.253
i find that i get better leverage better it's harder for them to break it and

00:33:07.253 --> 00:33:12.333
you can use the thumb but you know those things still apply where you might

00:33:12.333 --> 00:33:15.413
be able to get better leverage because you have the higher you're able to rotate

00:33:15.413 --> 00:33:18.853
your wrists more and stuff like that and like being able to explain that to

00:33:18.853 --> 00:33:21.713
them is going to ultimately means that you have, one,

00:33:21.893 --> 00:33:24.573
you've attained the knowledge of it, but you might also have to figure that

00:33:24.573 --> 00:33:26.613
out and think through it like, well, what do I do?

00:33:27.053 --> 00:33:30.833
And then now you have to understand what your game is, how you do those things

00:33:30.833 --> 00:33:32.193
and how you get better at that.

00:33:32.373 --> 00:33:35.373
And that's going to help both sides of that question get better.

00:33:35.453 --> 00:33:39.353
Just like at the open mat or at this other gym, when you're troubleshooting

00:33:39.353 --> 00:33:43.953
their stuff, you asking them the question makes you better, but it also makes

00:33:43.953 --> 00:33:47.073
them have to be better at the thing they're doing, right?

00:33:47.153 --> 00:33:49.653
Like they're going to figure out they're going to become better by answering

00:33:49.653 --> 00:33:56.613
those questions um which i which is a big part of this like that's really that's

00:33:56.613 --> 00:34:00.773
that's pretty deep in the core of like learning from the entire room is if you

00:34:00.773 --> 00:34:04.133
guys can sit there and ask each other questions to whoever,

00:34:04.773 --> 00:34:08.073
might be good at something it's going to help a lot yeah.

00:34:10.533 --> 00:34:18.153
Hell yeah hell yeah uh yeah it's uh back to what we said earlier like just learning,

00:34:19.415 --> 00:34:25.395
Learning and growth, give yourself a goal that makes you learn and grow all the time.

00:34:25.715 --> 00:34:32.915
Not a goal that is so easy to attain that you don't feel the need to do these things.

00:34:33.155 --> 00:34:36.915
It's just kind of like, it cheapens things for you and for everyone else.

00:34:37.615 --> 00:34:41.515
Yeah, and like, you know, it kind of goes back to episode 65.

00:34:42.435 --> 00:34:45.995
Callback. Yeah, callback. I mean, actually, probably even 64.

00:34:46.895 --> 00:34:50.515
And everything before that. and probably everything before that.

00:34:50.635 --> 00:34:56.035
But, you know, it goes back to those episodes where, you know, why are you training?

00:34:56.375 --> 00:34:58.855
Episode 65. Um...

00:35:00.133 --> 00:35:03.193
Like, how are you, like, how do you measure your progress?

00:35:03.453 --> 00:35:07.493
That was 64. Like, how to, how to unstick your progression?

00:35:07.733 --> 00:35:12.053
Like, you're, if you're, you know, episode 65, you know why you're doing this.

00:35:13.453 --> 00:35:18.073
That creates your motivation. Episode 64, like, how do you get unstuck?

00:35:18.173 --> 00:35:19.513
Like, these things all go together.

00:35:19.733 --> 00:35:22.793
They apply, guys. We speak for a reason. These things all go together. We speak for a reason.

00:35:22.973 --> 00:35:27.013
But if you know why you're doing it, it makes it more exciting to,

00:35:27.173 --> 00:35:28.433
makes it more exciting, one.

00:35:28.433 --> 00:35:31.473
But also it kind of helps you

00:35:31.473 --> 00:35:35.033
understand like hey i'm

00:35:35.033 --> 00:35:37.993
doing this to get better well that means i should

00:35:37.993 --> 00:35:40.973
probably be getting better try to get better not just be

00:35:40.973 --> 00:35:43.653
not just be okay with where i am now i'm

00:35:43.653 --> 00:35:46.613
beating every like i should still be trying to get better yeah i'll never

00:35:46.613 --> 00:35:49.593
be better than this and you know if that's the case then

00:35:49.593 --> 00:35:53.173
like maybe you need to figure out a different reason or be knack

00:35:53.173 --> 00:35:56.273
and go do be the best at three other sports yeah for

00:35:56.273 --> 00:35:59.453
real well there's there's the threat of like this continuing

00:35:59.453 --> 00:36:02.213
to challenge yourself um so that you get

00:36:02.213 --> 00:36:04.833
more what it's like what i said i

00:36:04.833 --> 00:36:07.693
was like this there's just there's too much in one life

00:36:07.693 --> 00:36:12.533
to learn from this martial art or any martial art for that matter um and

00:36:12.533 --> 00:36:16.013
so you know if the the people who are like truly passionate about it they'll

00:36:16.013 --> 00:36:24.213
have that like student constant growth um mindset through the end of their days

00:36:24.213 --> 00:36:30.053
hopefully you know like you ask like the dudes who've been doing this for like 40 50 60 years a little.

00:36:31.649 --> 00:36:34.729
They'll tell you the same thing. They're still seeing new stuff.

00:36:34.929 --> 00:36:37.329
Like, it's cool. This stuff is amazing.

00:36:37.549 --> 00:36:40.329
Like, you're not done with it yet. I promise that.

00:36:40.749 --> 00:36:44.109
Yeah, it never ends. There's always another mountain to climb.

00:36:44.289 --> 00:36:47.769
And what do they say when you get your black belt? They tell you the journey

00:36:47.769 --> 00:36:49.329
has just begun. The journey has just begun?

00:36:49.349 --> 00:36:52.509
Yeah, that's what they tell you. Yeah, don't go.

00:36:53.489 --> 00:36:57.509
Learning, man? Yeah, you always keep learning, which all the more reason,

00:36:57.669 --> 00:37:00.269
like, when it comes to actually, like, getting better training,

00:37:00.269 --> 00:37:04.529
like just throw the hierarchy of jujitsu outside the window,

00:37:05.109 --> 00:37:08.709
like honestly you're gonna be a black belt if you get tapped out like yeah like

00:37:08.709 --> 00:37:12.049
you yeah and like I said maybe you made someone's day maybe you know deep down

00:37:12.049 --> 00:37:15.449
like I didn't have to tap out I didn't even have to be there it was fun I just

00:37:15.449 --> 00:37:17.809
tapped to make him feel better well I didn't want my leg to get broken,

00:37:18.349 --> 00:37:21.229
but I didn't have to have my leg in that position to begin with but like who cares

00:37:21.229 --> 00:37:24.409
man and then that dude gets to go out and tell everyone he's actually hilarious too

00:37:24.409 --> 00:37:27.509
that's his ego journey I tapped out Scott Dance

00:37:27.509 --> 00:37:30.289
today yeah oh I promise you there are people out

00:37:30.289 --> 00:37:33.089
there who and then the story gets bigger and better and they're

00:37:33.089 --> 00:37:36.509
like dude he cried he was

00:37:36.509 --> 00:37:42.029
holding back i didn't cry i promise i didn't cry didn't cry i did not cry but

00:37:42.029 --> 00:37:46.869
yeah i mean like took it like a man and honestly if like anything in recent

00:37:46.869 --> 00:37:51.269
years in recent events is like show anything like really the hierarchy in jiu-jitsu

00:37:51.269 --> 00:37:55.889
is really just it doesn't matter just get rid of it it's not helpful outside of just like.

00:37:56.964 --> 00:38:00.004
A minimal amount of showing of progression right

00:38:00.004 --> 00:38:02.964
like outside of that don't worry about it like people can

00:38:02.964 --> 00:38:06.444
be better with you know it doesn't matter yeah the guy

00:38:06.444 --> 00:38:09.344
at the bottom can be better at something the guy

00:38:09.344 --> 00:38:12.944
at the top it's possible um and yeah

00:38:12.944 --> 00:38:15.944
what one more thing before we move on to our

00:38:15.944 --> 00:38:18.864
uh our segment our segment which is

00:38:18.864 --> 00:38:21.624
be excited guys uh i have

00:38:21.624 --> 00:38:25.364
a great story cool um but

00:38:25.364 --> 00:38:28.304
i don't even know this story guys it's gonna surprise me you're

00:38:28.304 --> 00:38:31.304
gonna like it um and if you have ideas for stories and

00:38:31.304 --> 00:38:35.784
you have ideas that you want to share guys go to fdcpodcast.com and

00:38:35.784 --> 00:38:40.144
give us some notes you can submit comments i think you can submit like audio

00:38:40.144 --> 00:38:45.524
questions right oh you can you can so yeah www.fdcpodcast.com you can hop on

00:38:45.524 --> 00:38:49.304
there you can actually sit drop us uh we're just gonna go to the segment uh

00:38:49.304 --> 00:38:51.544
all right good yeah this will be good uh.

00:38:52.292 --> 00:39:00.832
But you can go to www.fdcpodcast.com. There's a form, so you can do like a contact

00:39:00.832 --> 00:39:03.252
us form where you can just submit questions through there.

00:39:03.452 --> 00:39:07.632
You can also, yes, leave us voicemails, which I'm super excited about.

00:39:07.852 --> 00:39:15.092
And if you leave us a voicemail, I will figure out how to play it and get it on the show.

00:39:15.212 --> 00:39:17.472
I will have to figure out how to do it. All right.

00:39:17.932 --> 00:39:21.832
How hard could it be? It can't be that hard. It's just something I'd have to

00:39:21.832 --> 00:39:23.132
figure out how to get it to record.

00:39:23.372 --> 00:39:26.252
It might just be through my phone into the microphone. Who knows?

00:39:27.992 --> 00:39:33.772
But we'll get you on the show. So be as anonymous as you need to,

00:39:33.912 --> 00:39:35.372
but please tell us your belt rank.

00:39:35.772 --> 00:39:40.632
Oh, yeah, that's good. So at a minimum, tell us your belt rank when you leave

00:39:40.632 --> 00:39:42.532
a voicemail. First-time caller, long-time listener.

00:39:43.392 --> 00:39:46.732
It's the same guy. You can give a fake name. I don't care.

00:39:47.152 --> 00:39:51.232
I would love that if it's the same person every time. Saying first time caller,

00:39:51.312 --> 00:39:53.632
long time listener, new name every single time.

00:39:53.792 --> 00:40:00.432
Yeah, it's my name's Johnny, my name's Bill, but it's same belt rank. Same voice. Same voice.

00:40:00.772 --> 00:40:03.852
Yeah, I can't wait. But yeah, so we're going to be starting this new segment.

00:40:03.852 --> 00:40:06.432
It's called Combat Confessions. Oh, man.

00:40:06.632 --> 00:40:09.912
So we'll be pulling from, we'll be pulling from comments.

00:40:10.072 --> 00:40:15.832
We'll be pulling from the internet, Reddit, Instagram, wherever.

00:40:16.052 --> 00:40:19.212
You name it. We'll be finding for this segment...

00:40:20.343 --> 00:40:23.403
Weird shit. Weird shit out there. Things that happen to people.

00:40:23.923 --> 00:40:26.743
You got something, man? I want to hear it. Yeah, I got something good.

00:40:26.903 --> 00:40:30.763
All right, bring it. You actually, I did send you this one, but it's too good

00:40:30.763 --> 00:40:35.303
to, it's too good not to share. Read it. So let me pull it up.

00:40:36.443 --> 00:40:40.143
All right, this one is from Reddit, which is how I spend most of my,

00:40:40.403 --> 00:40:46.343
if I, this is how I consume jujitsu content outside of other podcasts.

00:40:46.343 --> 00:40:52.803
I think there's a guy at open mat who only trains choke defense There's a guy

00:40:52.803 --> 00:40:54.703
who shows up to open mats at my gym.

00:40:54.923 --> 00:40:58.503
I don't know his name He doesn't know mine and honestly, I think he prefers

00:40:58.503 --> 00:41:02.883
it that way Sometimes after class we do group photos and he disappears before

00:41:02.883 --> 00:41:07.183
anyone can ask him to join I'm, not even fully convinced he trains here.

00:41:07.903 --> 00:41:12.663
Every time we roll he immediately gives up position so you can lock up a rear

00:41:12.663 --> 00:41:16.943
cross collar or some other choke He'll hand fight for maybe two seconds and

00:41:16.943 --> 00:41:18.423
just sit there and let you work.

00:41:18.903 --> 00:41:22.763
I watched him do this with multiple people in the same round rotation.

00:41:23.183 --> 00:41:27.283
The weird part is this dude has an absolutely ridiculous neck.

00:41:27.503 --> 00:41:30.983
He looks like a cross between John Donner and Uncle Fester.

00:41:31.503 --> 00:41:35.403
You'll have a fully locked choke and meanwhile he's staring directly into your

00:41:35.403 --> 00:41:41.003
soul like you are the one getting tested while calmly telling you to keep going.

00:41:41.643 --> 00:41:46.443
One time he walked up to me before class. with absolutely no introduction,

00:41:46.803 --> 00:41:50.903
and told me about a black belt who held a choke on him until the timer saved

00:41:50.903 --> 00:41:53.763
him, he sounded genuinely disappointed. Oh.

00:41:54.043 --> 00:41:59.483
I honestly can't tell if this man is developing elite choke defense or if I'm

00:41:59.483 --> 00:42:06.203
accidentally participating in some secret underground Donaher training method. Oh. Uh...

00:42:07.011 --> 00:42:10.591
I don't think this is, you're participating in a secret training method.

00:42:10.611 --> 00:42:14.971
I'm pretty sure that you're participating in this dude's drug fetish.

00:42:14.991 --> 00:42:16.871
Autorotic asphyxiation.

00:42:17.151 --> 00:42:21.791
Which one of the dudes said, one guy said, it's not a Donaher method,

00:42:21.791 --> 00:42:23.751
it's a Carradine method. That's funny.

00:42:24.811 --> 00:42:31.491
So. Wow. So yeah, that one, that was actually the one that gave me the idea for this segment.

00:42:32.271 --> 00:42:35.291
Because, yeah, that's just wild. like you're no that's

00:42:35.291 --> 00:42:38.391
in the words of uh dennis reynolds

00:42:38.391 --> 00:42:41.291
fetish shit that is fetish shit uh

00:42:41.291 --> 00:42:44.691
yeah so like this guy this guy

00:42:44.691 --> 00:42:48.291
is showing up to an

00:42:48.291 --> 00:42:51.071
open mat apparently it's the only time he shows up

00:42:51.071 --> 00:42:53.891
at this gym it's just letting dudes choke the shit out

00:42:53.891 --> 00:42:57.271
of him um unsuccessfully allegedly

00:42:57.271 --> 00:43:00.271
well you know levels of the successes can

00:43:00.271 --> 00:43:03.251
be measured in different ways true uh you know

00:43:03.251 --> 00:43:07.151
that's true but yeah he yeah he's

00:43:07.151 --> 00:43:11.331
showing him he's bragging about like or i guess he's seems disappointed

00:43:11.331 --> 00:43:17.611
that he didn't get choked out in one of these instances um so i don't know like

00:43:17.611 --> 00:43:24.031
what well that's funny yeah the whole thing's silly um thank you reddit but

00:43:24.031 --> 00:43:28.451
um yeah i mean this guy's kind of hilarious in my opinion.

00:43:28.671 --> 00:43:32.991
It's an open mat, I guess. And, uh, you got a visitor coming through with one

00:43:32.991 --> 00:43:35.271
train of thought day in, day out.

00:43:35.451 --> 00:43:37.731
He doesn't take any pictures. He just leaves. It's so funny.

00:43:38.551 --> 00:43:43.971
Legendary if it's true. Shows up, just lets people choke him and floats off in the wind. Yeah.

00:43:44.511 --> 00:43:48.911
I mean, I promise he can be choked. He's a human being. Oh, he just likes whoever's submitting.

00:43:49.171 --> 00:43:52.611
The guy submitted the question kind of complaining about how.

00:43:53.751 --> 00:43:55.911
He can't choke him, I guess. And he has a problem with this,

00:43:55.991 --> 00:43:59.531
I suppose. Or he's just like, is this weird, internet? Is this weird? I guess.

00:44:00.031 --> 00:44:03.331
Well, actually, that's... So that's actually an interesting twist on this.

00:44:03.511 --> 00:44:06.931
Like, I was purely thinking, like, it definitely seems like this guy likes being choked.

00:44:07.111 --> 00:44:11.211
Yes, that's another way we could take it. We are participating in his fetish.

00:44:11.391 --> 00:44:17.391
However, maybe this guy who's writing this actually just sucks at chokes.

00:44:17.551 --> 00:44:19.271
What if he's the guy? What if he's...

00:44:20.291 --> 00:44:24.551
What if he says, it's actually me? He's like, wait, he's just sharing this freak shit.

00:44:24.651 --> 00:44:28.271
He's like, isn't this guy so weird? And that's actually his second fetish.

00:44:28.351 --> 00:44:29.551
He's like self-deprecating.

00:44:29.871 --> 00:44:31.351
Yeah, it's like a weird polarism.

00:44:32.471 --> 00:44:35.051
Yeah, okay. I don't know what to make of it. It's funny.

00:44:36.511 --> 00:44:40.671
Okay, yeah, figure it out. Figure out how to choke him because he can be choked.

00:44:41.391 --> 00:44:45.771
It's like if it bleeds, we can kill it from Predator. Dude, he can be choked.

00:44:46.031 --> 00:44:50.711
Promise that. And maybe this man yearns for that day where he finally gets choked

00:44:50.711 --> 00:44:52.531
out. And he's like, that's what I came for.

00:44:52.611 --> 00:44:55.471
And then he never shows up again. He just disappears like a phantom.

00:44:56.431 --> 00:44:59.691
I don't know. And shows up the following Saturday. Or the next goes to a different

00:44:59.691 --> 00:45:03.071
open mat. And he's like, all right, I did it. They got me. That was awesome. That was what I wanted.

00:45:03.211 --> 00:45:07.051
Do you think he goes like multiple times a day? I guess.

00:45:07.231 --> 00:45:09.971
I mean, that dude says he doesn't. Oh, yeah, maybe he's hopping.

00:45:10.231 --> 00:45:11.651
He's hopping to different places.

00:45:11.991 --> 00:45:16.871
I guess if he's unchokeable, he's not a complete novice. I do like his idea

00:45:16.871 --> 00:45:19.411
that it's just some weird,

00:45:20.391 --> 00:45:23.591
some weird training method of let's say no dude like you can't train,

00:45:24.691 --> 00:45:28.291
i mean like you can but like if you're just letting people choke choke you like

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you either are getting choked you're not getting choked it's not like you can

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like he's not getting choked if the story is power your way out of it right

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he's doing something to disrupt the choke and like it is a weird training method

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that's the thing if the if this is true which it probably isn't but if it's true,

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And then this guy has cultivated his own weird fetish niche of training where

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he's like, I just want everyone to try to choke me.

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That guy's definitely on some weird freak shit, but whatever.

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It's probably a mix of all these things, right? Like, this dude's,

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I mean, we won't get to the bottom of this, but we'll give you our opinion. No, just read it.

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I mean, like...

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Surface level yes i still think it's fetish shit but

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uh but like i do

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i i i'm still now i'm starting to think that this this guy is actually just

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not good enough at chokes and like this is his experience against this guy like

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maybe other people are like the guy is actively maybe is actively like into

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this getting choked yeah and other people actually are successfully,

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getting him to tap, but the guy who wrote this can't, and he's a little upset. It reads that way.

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It reads that way. I can't tap this guy.

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Comment if you can't choke someone. Yeah. Yeah. Definitely.

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I mean, I don't know. He's whining a little bit. I think there's a little bit

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of whining. You guys let us know what you think about that. Like, is this fetish shit?

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Does this guy suck at choking people?

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Let us know in the comments. Yeah. Like, I don't know. Give us a shout.

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Let us know what you think.

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Are you this? The choke guy is listening. Have you run into this person?

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Is this guy in your city? Let us know where he is.

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Give us more information on him. I would like to know.

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Actually, there's a guy at my gym who likes to choke people.

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It's a running joke. He's not actually, I don't, well, I don't know. Maybe he does.

00:47:22.853 --> 00:47:26.973
I don't know if he has like an actual like choking other people fetish.

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It's the part of the sport, right?

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Unclear. Yes, it's part of the. When I read this story, I have been,

00:47:32.393 --> 00:47:36.113
we have been messing with him that like, this is his, this is his soulmate, right?

00:47:36.193 --> 00:47:38.713
Like they, those two are made for each other.

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The immovable object meets the unstoppable force. It's like,

00:47:41.033 --> 00:47:43.953
dude, you like to choke people and he likes to be choked.

00:47:44.073 --> 00:47:47.393
You guys are a match made in heaven, man. You guys should hang out.

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You should train together.

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Uh, yeah. But so, I mean, I can do another one, but I think keeping it to one makes it more exciting.

00:47:55.293 --> 00:47:56.993
Um, so exciting. Uh,

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If we had video, there's one that I would just show you guys,

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but I might have to put the Donaher curb stomp instructional.

00:48:07.456 --> 00:48:09.036
Might have to add that to something.

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Might have to show you guys that one at some point. But so that was Combat Confessions,

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and that was Fire's Drinking Coffee, guys.

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Thank you for listening. I hope that you got something out of it and that that

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helps you guys get through some training.

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Sorry I'm flipping my notebook there but I hope that helps you guys understand

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and check your ego at the door and really what that means I mean it's not about like,

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It's not about what, I don't know, people try to tell you it's about. Use it to learn.

00:48:42.091 --> 00:48:46.031
It's really like if you check your ego out the door and allow yourself to be

00:48:46.031 --> 00:48:48.771
vulnerable, be vulnerable on the mats.

00:48:48.971 --> 00:48:52.011
Maybe you get choked out by someone from time to time. Maybe you allow someone's

00:48:52.011 --> 00:48:53.951
choking fetish to manifest on you.

00:48:54.051 --> 00:48:57.071
Maybe that's happening. And, you know, like it'll help you get better.

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Ask questions. That'll help you get better too. Like ask questions,

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answer questions. Ultimately, like that's really a big part of learning.

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Be willing to learn from everyone in the room. It'll help you guys out a lot.

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