(Ep 50) Did You Join a Jiu-Jitsu Cult?

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Welcome back to Fighters Drinking Coffee, guys.

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Today, we're going to talk about, I guess it's, you know, it's a big topic in jujitsu, right?

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The development and growth of like cults and cult-like behavior that exists

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within the sport and within gyms and affiliations and whatever else, right?

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Like, um, and like, I think, I think it kind of comes about because there is

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a very specific like power dynamic, right?

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Like there's a very obvious, like this guy's at the top and then it almost like

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creates a pyramid scheme situation, just the way that like ranking and everything

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comes out and like, it's not in every school,

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but like it, it lends itself to this creation of like the cult and the pyramid

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scheme and all of that just because of the way and I think it's probably most

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martial arts as well it's just the how martial arts are uh hierarchical yeah and um,

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And also maybe, I don't know, maybe Americans just love cults, dude.

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And maybe it happens more here than other places. I don't know because I'm from

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here. So this is the only context I have.

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But, you know, we definitely have tons of instances of cults in this country.

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So maybe we like them. I don't know.

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It seems like there's a fascination for documentaries on cults.

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Yeah, people are just into cults. I think people are fascinated how you can get lost in that.

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Yeah and like i've watched

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a few of those right and like you read the stories about like all

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these historical cults and like i get

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why people are drawn to them and like the

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kinds of people that do and i

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mean there's definitely overlap right like the people

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that are drawn to martial arts and the people that end up in these in

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these cults there's definitely like there's definitely some characteristics

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that they cross over and um yeah and like i don't know i was talking with some

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guys about it yesterday um about like a borderline scenario that occurred so um you know trying to be,

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not drop drop it too much on that but um you know like there's definitely.

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I think most of us have seen it, right? Like we've seen this come about and

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kind of what the, uh, we've seen at least the inklings of it. Right.

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So, um, I don't know, like, what do you have? I'm sure you've had experience

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with this too. You've dealt with a lot of different people in the sport.

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So, um, you know, like you definitely have seen these followings start to develop

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and I don't know if you've had to like squash any of that before,

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but, um, you know, what do you think? What do you think about the cult of BJJ dude?

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I think it's real. I think it happens.

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Like you said, the environment we're in uniquely can provide the fertile grounds

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for cult-like behaviors because of,

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as we said a second ago, this stuff is inherently hierarchical.

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And as a result, in my opinion, by the way, just because it's hierarchical doesn't mean it's bad.

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Human beings just form hierarchies. That's what human beings do.

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The cult, I guess, would be the extreme negative example of a hierarchy going

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in one direction really hard.

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And I'll say this. Yes, I have traveled and been around lots of academies and

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lots of cultures and communities and stuff.

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And if the hierarchy, let's just using that as like a framework for the conversation.

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If it's a continuum of like normal or like very low, you know.

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Leadership hierarchical like oversight, meaning like,

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extreme laid back cultures where like the dude in charge or the lady in charge

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is really like chill about it if that's like on one end and the cult being on

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the extreme other end or like the.

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Leadership goes awry insofar as trying to like

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steer culture and control people yeah especially

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like that's like if that's do we agree that that's the spectrum yeah

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like when they start trying to control your life outside of the gym or

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like yeah you know get into the weird stuff

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that also occurs in jiu-jitsu rooms and

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around you know different places we're like oh you gotta I'm

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gonna sleep with your wife and then you can get your black belt right like it's

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an extreme versions dude it's so weird it's extreme but like

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I mean there's stories of it right like where the the instructor

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is like banging the blue belt's wife really I mean

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I don't know I've heard stories of it like it's not like yeah I

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mean it's not like rampant through right but it happens you know

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like sure it's happened I suppose yeah but yes that's it that would be

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an extreme example very extreme example um but

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yeah so like if that's the continuum i'd say most

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places most academies most training cultures

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that are like still really positive probably have some

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elements of a cult and uh they somehow

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manage it pretty well like i've seen groups of like i've seen

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academies some in our area some you know around the

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country internationally where like there's some element of

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like hey we're very very loyal slash

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adherent to our leader but it's not like

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it doesn't come off at least i'm not involved in those communities i

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just know my community they're not uh coming off in

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like a negative way but there's definitely a lot of like leader worship that

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goes on that makes sense so i all i'm saying is like there's if you're listening.

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To this like and you're new to these environments you might come come in and

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be like what the hell is this like these guys really like this this person at

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the top of top of the pyramid and some of that's okay is what i'm saying it's

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like when things start to get like extra controlling yeah i mean there's definitely like um,

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There's levels of that because you don't know, like, what else.

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There's stuff outside of just the gym stuff, too, that, like,

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some of these guys are helping these people in other ways that,

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like, maybe they're going to have, you know, extra loyalty to them.

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Like, some of them might be.

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Friendships develop and relationships develop. Yeah, for sure.

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Yeah, you know, there's, sometimes there's deeper stuff that leads to this,

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like, extreme level of loyalty. so like we're not saying that just because people

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are super loyal to the head of the gym that it's a cult like that's not.

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That's not what we're saying, but, um, but like, you can definitely look that

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way, right? For sure. It can definitely look that way.

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Um, yeah, definitely, man. No, it's, well, yeah, it's, it's, um, it's, it's a thing.

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And, you know, I guess like the, uh, I'll say this, it's like,

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uh, whether or not you want to be in this cult, that cult is,

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is, I guess, up to that person.

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I would say my, I don't know, my call to action for anyone listening would be like,

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try to do your best identify if is this a cult yes or

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no and i guess maybe third option is not sure you're

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not sure it probably is a little bit but uh it's um

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i suppose it's like being like in like a a different

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cult like a proper cult a religious cult or whatever or something like that

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that of that ilk like if it's taking away from your life like if it's like making

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you feel negative that's probably when it's becoming a bad thing or if you're

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seeing other people around you do negative stuff or like not think for themselves

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because I've seen that like I've been in environments.

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Where like I've been around people who are like leaders who are like really controlling of like

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their folks to try to like steer their minds in a certain direction and

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sometimes like you know there's a little bit of like coaching and

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um like as a jiu-jitsu coach you you are trying

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to steer folks in a direction um around

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the martial art and you know whatever goals you're working on together health

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weight loss whatever you name it like athleticism if you're better than whatever

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like the coach supposed to help you like steer your life in a positive direction

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it's when that goes awry or starts to move outside of outside of the realm of

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like a reasonable coach slash.

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Uh student dynamic that yeah it's and it's probably not always super easy to

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tell i mean that's kind of the idea with colts it's like it's maybe you don't

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always know when that's you've gone off track so i think you have to be like a super.

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To the best of your ability to be as self-aware as possible and like situationally aware

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to like see these things well yeah so like how about this for an exercise right

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so for the listeners we're gonna go over like some you know red flag green flag

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type stuff right like what because obviously i mean if you were just like bare

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bones evaluate your your experience in jiu-jitsu school you'll probably be like

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oh that's kind of culty oh well that's not that culty well that's kind of you

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know Like, if you sit there and, like,

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think through it too deeply and, like, face value, you might, like,

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oh, like, that's kind of weird.

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Like, but, you know, some stuff's just, like, weird tradition stuff.

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Like, some schools bow to the picture of the, of what, Ilio, right? Like, yeah.

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It's like borderline but like how you know

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how like damaging really is that right

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like sometimes it's just like i don't know that's just a thing that maybe they did and

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so they're just like oh this is just a tradition thing we do like there's definitely

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like some stuff like that right like oh well we just we bow to this picture

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on the wall of this guy that we've never met is that like semi culty that's

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culty behavior but like that doesn't necessarily make you a cult right you need

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to have more than just like one or two things it's just a data point,

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an interesting one but it's a data point yeah I don't know of any I haven't

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been to a place that does that I've never bowed to a picture I've heard of it.

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From the outside looking it's like oh that's weird but sometimes it's like oh

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that's just like this innocuous thing like it's not that big of a deal but maybe

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you add that to like five or six other data points yeah if you have a couple

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extra directions yeah so you know if you're like,

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I mean people worship's always thing any sort of like you know people worship

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is always a red flag but on its own especially if it's not one of the people

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there maybe not as much so right like if if there's no direct.

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Direct interaction with the person you're quote-unquote worshiping

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it's not quite as like it's less

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powerful it's it's a little more borderline versus we just

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watched you've been talking about star wars for a while too so maybe we might

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be able to translate this over to like the sith and the dark side

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too in some capacity oh we definitely could in fact

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i think we will but uh we'll get to it we'll come up if it happens it happens

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we're on a we're on a little bit of a run with that i i'm enjoying the analogies

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all the star wars movies because i'm not all of them but like the good ones

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because of our conversations you only need to do one through six it gets a little

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they get a little goofy after that yeah you know i think i think there was not necessarily uh.

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They start branching. They start reaching a little bit. I don't know.

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It makes our analogies harder. So we're not going to deal with it.

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Well, the quality starts to dip a little bit and they go in their own weird

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direction that's sort of, yeah.

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I mean, they're the same movies. Basically. I'm just going to throw it out. It's the same.

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It's four through six, again, just slightly different. Less interesting characters.

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But it's really the same thing. It's all the same.

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It's the same conflicts, the same, whatever, we don't have to.

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Well, I would say the Sith is just a good example of a cult.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. There's always a master and an apprentice.

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There's a master and an apprentice.

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The apprentice does everything the master says until they overthrow him.

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Or the master replaces that apprentice with a new one. Yeah,

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and it's all about pleasing the master.

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It is about pleasing the master. There's some parallels here, man. Yeah, for sure.

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One thing I was going to say about the Colts is that if we're looking at questions

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to ask or red flags, green flags, like you mentioned earlier, I would say to the best,

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if you see people acting super sycophantic, it's one thing to be respectful

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of someone it's nothing to be sycophantic and just like follow the other person.

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They're beck and call in weird ways. Not like, hey, I'm going to clean the mats

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up for this guy. That's a respectful thing.

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No, I'm going to give him credit whenever I do something really well in jiu-jitsu

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because this is the guy who helped coach me.

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There are really good things like that that I think are healthy and respectful and positive.

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Because part of the martial arts journey, and Nat Kapan talked about this a

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lot in our last episode with him,

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but there's the humility that comes with training martial

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arts which is like such a good thing like um so

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and and maybe that's kind of like an opening here to

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say like hopefully in the environment you're in

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if the person at the head of the the ship the potential

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cult leader and or just regular coach doing his job or

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her job um they should have some humility too

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like you humility is important um because that's

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like that if anything in my opinion like that the humility

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that like in my last example a student would show

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should also be uh derivative from

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the the guy at the top still remaining humble even though

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this human being might be like really skilled really knowledgeable and

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like has followers uh in his community for a good reason because that person's

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you know likely hopefully a good leader so well i think the good leadership

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healthy characteristic would be uh you know be proud and be like strong and

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and you know set a good example to people like do your best but also like remain

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humble. That's an example of that.

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Yeah, the respect and humility, it goes both ways. I.

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Um, you know, so that's a green flag, right? Like that, that,

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that humility and respect.

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Yeah. Throw that up there. That, that humility and respect being.

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Um, across the hierarchy, right?

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Like, so we know that, you know, in the gym, there's always going to be some

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level of hierarchy, which is, as we've laid out, that's like,

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why would there's the, the risk of development and people like that,

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like the structure is good.

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Um, but when there's like not the, the top-down, like, respect doesn't trickle

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through. It just goes up, right, when it doesn't also come back down.

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That's when you start to get, like, if the respect only goes up.

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Then you're starting to look at like, all right, this is, this is.

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Now we're talking red flags. Now we have one of the red flags. Correct.

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Now, again, this is another one. None of these on their own so far.

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We'll probably run into some that are like, hey, that's a straight up like.

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Evil red flag. That's the red flag.

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You're out of there if you see this. But we haven't gotten there yet. I don't know.

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We'll definitely hit one and be like, oh, if that, if you see this, don't do that.

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But you know if if the respect comes back

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down the ladder then you know you're in

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a good spot right like um like i

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where i'm at they they everyone everyone

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respects up and then even from the top down jason respects

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everybody coming down you know we're all normal people and

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there's an understanding of you know humility respect thank

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you know thankfulness for the people that make you

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know because like knack was saying right none of

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this is possible about without the other people you can't there

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is no there's no way to do jiu-jitsu alone because

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all in all martial arts martial arts require

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teammates teammates and other people on the mats with you so that understanding

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respect for that is a green flag now if you run into and you know this might

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be some subtweeting here for those who remember when that was,

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I guess, a mainstream thing, the subtweet.

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But so, you know, you'll have situations when there might be a person or personality, you know,

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we've all heard of the cults of personality, you know, like these people that

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have this draw in who they are or portray themselves to be.

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Attracts certain people to them. And then those people also try to mimic.

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And they are so drawn to this person that their actions and the personality

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that they show outwardly, these people try to also do.

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And when you start to see things like that, like, oh, we have this guy and he's

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about these things and he shows these certain traits and mannerisms and actions.

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And then people start to kind of mimic and mirror what he's doing.

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They start to dress like him.

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They, you know, maybe they put his face on a rash guard, right?

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Like start to have like these weird little things that now you're looking at

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some other red flags, right?

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Like, if you break that up, maybe it's different. Well, I think it depends on like, on the example.

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Like, let's use that scenario as an example. Like if, it's a spectrum too, right?

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I would just go back to what we were saying a second ago about like if the person

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who's kind of leading the community is, is exhibiting traits that people are

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mimicking, hopefully those are good traits and not like, um.

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Like I said, like for me, it sort of comes down to like, what's this person,

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what example is this guy setting?

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And, um, does, does,

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Cause, cause maybe like in that scenario, maybe that person,

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let's say this is a guy who owns an academy or something and he comes in to

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do his job and like, maybe this guy like on his way to work,

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he's like, yo, I have like a responsibility for the next couple hours while I'm there.

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I got to like keep my positive leadership hat on and like put out the right vibrations for people.

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And then if they mimic those and if, okay, let's just say if they are the right

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vibrations and people mimic that, that could be a good thing too.

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Maybe that person who kind of, maybe the student who comes in,

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maybe they signed up because they felt, you know, weak and insecure and they

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want, they see martial arts as a path that had become like confident and all

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that, which is like why people sign up.

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So like, okay, so like this is like probably a fairly common use case.

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And if they see, um, the dude in charge exhibiting some confidence and some

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competency in the martial arts that they're, you know, they're, they're going to learn.

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And, um, let's say this guy's a black belt and then like his purple and brown

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belts are doing that too.

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And then this new person with, like I said, some of those like insecurities

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and anxieties and lack of confidence shows up and is like, yo,

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like some of that's rubbing off on me too. Start acting that same way.

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That could be a good thing. But like you, I'm definitely taking what you're

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putting, picking up what you're putting down because I think it's,

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yeah, if that is the case, that's a lot of responsibility.

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And like, I think at the end of the day, this is probably a conversation,

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this one of the themes that I will take away from this or at least trying to

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pause it on the show is that it's a lot of responsibility for the person in charge to try to just,

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they have to do their best to maintain a

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positive maybe kind of stoic but um

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a a healthy leadership uh

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persona because that's like that guy's job at the end of the day or that gal's

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job when when this individual goes to do that um and that because these other

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people are gonna be they will reflect what you do so it's uh it's it's critical

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that you're you're doing the best job possible and um,

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If that's your job, you should be thinking more about what these folks need

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rather than what you want them to think about you. That is the way of the Sith.

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If you're bringing people in and you just want to make everyone... I've seen this.

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I've seen it recently. I've seen it recently with dudes who are so thirsty for

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egos to be placated and to make themselves feel big.

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I mean, I've seen it all the time. I mean, this is kind of what we're talking

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about. Yeah, I mean, those types of people are attracted to this environment.

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It happens. It's not an abnormal thing. No, it isn't.

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It's fairly common. Yeah. That can be a red flag. Like, if individuals are like,

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yeah, like, do this to worship me.

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And that starts to become apparent. And it's kind of a fine line.

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I mean, people are people, right? People, leadership, people in leadership positions,

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they're still human beings as well. So they're like, you know, they're flawed.

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Yeah. They're flawed. So like, it's, you know, like, I think like the,

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I think I said it earlier, but like the call to action is like,

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try to like, we, maybe I'm kind of coming around on it too. On the other side

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of it, it's like, give these guys a break a little bit too.

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Like if you find yourself doing weird things that you wouldn't ordinarily do.

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And like, if you asked a friend, Hey, is this okay to do?

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And they were like, I don't know, man, that's probably like,

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Hey, that's an indicator to you. But if you're not in that world,

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then you're probably all right. Yeah.

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I'd say there's definitely like a level of reflection, right?

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Like, hey, is this activity I'm partaking in, is this beneficial to me?

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Like, am I helping people with this? Like, should I be killing these younglings?

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Don't kill the younglings. If you're about to go, if everyone's like,

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hey, let's go kill these younglings, you should be like...

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We're going to go kill the younglings. I don't think I want to kill these younglings.

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I don't think I should do that, bro. Yeah.

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You know, but you know, I guess... Sometimes you got to kill some younglings.

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I guess you don't know younglings. Like Naka Fan said, he's like,

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you don't know if you're good until you try something bad, I suppose.

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Yeah, you got to, you know, sometimes you got to dip those toes in the waters of the dark side.

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There's definitely like a human development art there that people got to go

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through, but... Yeah, I guess it's kind of, it's more like when you dip those

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toes in the waters of the dark side, right? Can you pull them back out?

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Are you going to keep, Are you going to wade the rest of the way in?

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Or are you going to go ankles and knees, then head deep?

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It's like, hey, man, maybe that was kind of bad. Maybe we shouldn't do that.

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You know what I mean? Yeah, for sure.

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And if I may, by the way, for what it's worth, like watching Netflix and seeing

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cult documentaries, I think 99% easily, maybe 95%, like the vast majority of

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Jiu-Jitsu communities, even some that do exhibit some cult-like stuff, are mostly positive.

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That's going to be the norm. I don't want anyone listening to this to get shook by.

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Yeah, no. And overthink what, you know, holy crap am i in

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a cult um i think you probably aren't um and

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if you're like i'm definitely not maybe you need to i think that probably the

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healthy answer would be like kind of yeah but like it's all right i got it under

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control it's like it's a little cold it's a little bit yeah if you if you said

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extremely yes or extremely no that would be like that would be probably the

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red flag for you like like hell no i'm not in a cult but i go seven you know who said yeah

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who says that they're not in cult people in cults bro yeah

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or if you're like hell yeah i'm in a cult but if you're that okay with it then

00:22:05.364 --> 00:22:08.944
well shit I guess maybe I don't know yeah maybe push them a little more towards

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the middle but uh you definitely want to be like is this a cult is that not

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a cult if you're like questioning it you're probably in a good spot right for

00:22:15.624 --> 00:22:19.764
sure uh you want to be on the very edge of culty um.

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So here's kind of another little thing that, I guess, an evaluation point, right? Sure.

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I have a couple other ideas on evaluation points too, bro.

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So one is, and this is a thing that kind of happens, just because again,

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people are tribal, right?

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So there's always going to be a development of friend circles or cliques within the gym.

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It's going to happen because certain people are going to have more interests.

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Hey man AM squad versus PM squad every gym I go to the AM squad and actually

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I actually kind of love this AM squad is always like they have like a point

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of pride they're like where are the AM dudes I got in the morning crew so I

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could show up at 6.30 like I actually respect that cult.

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There's always built around grit there's like a

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special ops unit more than anything there's shared values but

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even within all the even within just like

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the am versus pm divide right there's going to be groups that develop

00:23:20.537 --> 00:23:24.317
within those it's just because like oh like these five

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people their kids are friends and their kids are

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friends so they hang out outside the gym already or like you

00:23:30.597 --> 00:23:33.577
know there's going to be groups that develop because they have

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other things in common outside of jujitsu and

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so you might you're going to have these little like microcosms um

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that occur within the grand school your

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community yeah you gotta make sure those groups at

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the end of the day like you know as long as that divide doesn't just like broaden

00:23:51.277 --> 00:23:54.577
and like it's okay to create the internal and we'll talk about that on another

00:23:54.577 --> 00:24:00.157
episode like that internal um internal like competition like competition within

00:24:00.157 --> 00:24:06.317
the school is good nox talked about that too right um but so uh,

00:24:07.135 --> 00:24:13.335
you know, like where it becomes an issue is when you have these like circles developing,

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or you have people not specifically people that are, you know,

00:24:20.055 --> 00:24:24.455
the people in charge, your coaches, your head coach or whatever are, um.

00:24:25.715 --> 00:24:29.195
Utilizing those splits and trying to create greater divides.

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When, when like elite groups, sub elite groups,

00:24:34.015 --> 00:24:36.755
you know, like subgroups start to like use their leverage to like

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form like a little faction and they kind of like do it to exert influence

00:24:40.295 --> 00:24:43.135
in a negative way because maybe there's some influence in a positive

00:24:43.135 --> 00:24:46.095
way that they're like hey man like can we get a little extra support in the 6am

00:24:46.095 --> 00:24:49.955
squad just as an example that might not be a bad thing yeah um but yeah it's

00:24:49.955 --> 00:24:54.355
when like those subgroups start to like use that as a weapon against the community

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that's like when it's like a cancer yeah within the group like in you know this

00:24:58.915 --> 00:25:03.555
wasn't i i saw you just give an example I saw Inklings the other day,

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and I was like, hey, guys, we need to squash this.

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Dude, once upon a time, like, I've had this sort of thing happen in district

00:25:09.135 --> 00:25:14.995
martial arts where a coach, someone who came in, like, pretty early on and then, like, tried to, like,

00:25:15.515 --> 00:25:19.395
wield influence, like, pretty quickly, and this individual was removed pretty

00:25:19.395 --> 00:25:22.595
swiftly right away as soon as it was like, oh, this is the kind of thing you want to do.

00:25:22.675 --> 00:25:26.695
Like, no, we don't negotiate with terrorists. Ain't that the truth.

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But what I was going to say to your response about, like, little like squads

00:25:32.675 --> 00:25:37.015
forming internally I think it's kind of cool man like when like it's another

00:25:37.015 --> 00:25:39.555
thing kind of a shout out to District Martial which I think is really cool in

00:25:39.555 --> 00:25:40.835
the last couple years like I've seen like,

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I've, I mean, I've made friends, um, with, with, with people that I've hung

00:25:44.526 --> 00:25:46.766
out with that's at the gym that have become like actual buddies.

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And, um, I've seen like other groups of dudes who I've coached to,

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like I know, but I wasn't super close with that kind of made their own little friend group.

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And I was like, that's awesome. And that's like, that's, I think taking a step back.

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Um, that's also why like people come into these, come into these academies and

00:26:00.526 --> 00:26:02.226
begin with because they're thinking to themselves like, all right,

00:26:02.266 --> 00:26:04.006
well, this is, I've never done martial arts before.

00:26:04.146 --> 00:26:06.826
Maybe I've done a little bit and this will be a fun thing to like a new hobby

00:26:06.826 --> 00:26:11.306
that I in a new area of study that can, you know, change my life in a really

00:26:11.306 --> 00:26:13.886
good way. Let's go do it. And then I'll be around other people who think that way.

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And so like, I think it's a natural and really cool way to meet like-minded,

00:26:18.266 --> 00:26:19.946
awesome people that you can become friends with.

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So I think that's actually a really good thing when like nothing weird happens,

00:26:24.146 --> 00:26:26.606
like nothing like what we're talking about happens, which most of the time it

00:26:26.606 --> 00:26:27.966
isn't happening, to be honest with you.

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So like, yeah, I mean, it's definitely, there's like a super,

00:26:30.766 --> 00:26:34.586
you should be living in the gray, right? Like all this is going to be gray area.

00:26:35.026 --> 00:26:37.966
The gym is the gym, man. You go into train and like it's

00:26:37.966 --> 00:26:41.406
like but yeah like i think that the and it's

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funny like a scene made a post the other day um where a scene was like controversial

00:26:44.486 --> 00:26:48.866
thought why don't people keep religion and and uh politics outside of the gym

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and i was like yeah dude of course um because those are just divisive things

00:26:52.206 --> 00:26:56.446
that people get um pulled apart from topic for another conversation we've actually

00:26:56.446 --> 00:27:00.546
talked about that but anyways um but i think his point there is like you show

00:27:00.546 --> 00:27:04.006
up to the gym do your thing in the gym like kind of come into the common community with like a

00:27:04.406 --> 00:27:07.306
common goal which is like we all just want to work on this thing together and then.

00:27:08.018 --> 00:27:11.218
You see eye to eye with a couple people in that community and you want to go

00:27:11.218 --> 00:27:12.978
hang out with them outside of the gym and talk about whatever you want.

00:27:13.078 --> 00:27:16.238
You can talk about religion and politics at the bar. Yeah, when you're on the

00:27:16.238 --> 00:27:17.518
mats, the mats are agnostic.

00:27:17.698 --> 00:27:22.458
The mats have no islands. So we all come to bond, man. So we come to work on the same things.

00:27:22.578 --> 00:27:26.418
You want a really good way to not have friends at the gym, talk to them about

00:27:26.418 --> 00:27:28.138
those things while you're training.

00:27:28.298 --> 00:27:30.798
They're like, dude, I don't want to roll with you right now. Yeah.

00:27:31.238 --> 00:27:34.198
There's a time and place for it. We have pastors that train at our gym and they're

00:27:34.198 --> 00:27:37.598
not there trying to- They probably talk about that stuff all the time anyway.

00:27:37.598 --> 00:27:40.378
That's like their job so they're like yo man we do

00:27:40.378 --> 00:27:43.018
too and like yeah those guys like i have a couple

00:27:43.018 --> 00:27:45.778
guys who are like very religious in in in

00:27:45.778 --> 00:27:48.818
their um you know within their their religions or whatever and

00:27:48.818 --> 00:27:52.478
um yeah like that's just that's who they are but like they're they come to the

00:27:52.478 --> 00:27:55.058
gym and that they just want to train man like that's like this is what i'm doing

00:27:55.058 --> 00:27:58.218
right now and i'm sure they're probably super passionate about that too and

00:27:58.218 --> 00:28:01.838
you know if it came up they probably would talk about it but you know those

00:28:01.838 --> 00:28:05.998
dudes they're like maybe that falls under a red flag scenario Well, maybe.

00:28:06.298 --> 00:28:10.198
If there's a... In my instance, it's not. No, no, I'm saying not what you're saying.

00:28:10.318 --> 00:28:15.558
I'm saying like if you're at a gym and like the belief system is...

00:28:16.111 --> 00:28:19.171
Forced upon you like if there's a forcing of the belief

00:28:19.171 --> 00:28:22.491
systems upon you like that's i think forcing of belief yeah

00:28:22.491 --> 00:28:25.371
that's definitely just any anywhere not even just the gym if you're

00:28:25.371 --> 00:28:28.171
somewhere they're like hey if you want to hang out with us you got to

00:28:28.171 --> 00:28:30.991
do this that is something you got to keep an eye on

00:28:30.991 --> 00:28:34.111
with with like go just kind of pivot back over to the the bj

00:28:34.111 --> 00:28:36.931
and cult concept they're like i mean yeah look out for when like

00:28:36.931 --> 00:28:40.291
a leader in a community tries to force your beliefs on them it's like you're if

00:28:40.291 --> 00:28:43.071
their worldview is what they force upon you or their opinion of

00:28:43.071 --> 00:28:46.091
a human being is like you need to think like i think that's a

00:28:46.091 --> 00:28:48.851
red flag yeah um but last thing i'll say about like

00:28:48.851 --> 00:28:51.971
the the bro squads that kind of formed dma that i really liked was

00:28:51.971 --> 00:28:55.131
i remember going out a couple times in bolston and seeing

00:28:55.131 --> 00:28:57.891
like a group of dudes in the gym like all hanging out i was like hell yeah dude like

00:28:57.891 --> 00:29:00.571
it was like all bros from like a whatever class it

00:29:00.571 --> 00:29:03.651
was and like intro class like so like wider blue belts i'm like dude good i

00:29:03.651 --> 00:29:06.611
was like this is like because like what i'm saying is like they're kind of newer guys around

00:29:06.611 --> 00:29:09.531
too because like in any community in any gym like

00:29:09.531 --> 00:29:12.251
you'll i think it's going back to the factions thing which is

00:29:12.251 --> 00:29:15.111
not a problem it's actually kind of a just the way these things go like you

00:29:15.111 --> 00:29:18.591
always have the old school guys you're like yeah we all been around since 2015

00:29:18.591 --> 00:29:21.251
or something you're like yeah these are the old grizzled vets they all know

00:29:21.251 --> 00:29:25.551
each other that's kind of fun and then um those dudes kind of tend to stick

00:29:25.551 --> 00:29:27.871
to each other anyways because they're like hey man people come they go like

00:29:27.871 --> 00:29:31.031
it's us six guys we've been here since the beginning like we're the ogs like

00:29:31.031 --> 00:29:32.111
you'll get some of that the ogs.

00:29:32.651 --> 00:29:35.791
Ogs are fun they're they're good to have around and uh ogs tend

00:29:35.791 --> 00:29:38.531
to like look at the people who kind of come and go with a little bit of disdainment but

00:29:38.531 --> 00:29:41.891
you gotta stick around these people aren't serious yeah

00:29:41.891 --> 00:29:44.771
yeah exactly exactly and so that's it's not negative

00:29:44.771 --> 00:29:47.591
it's just kind of like silly it's just funny uh but i liked

00:29:47.591 --> 00:29:49.851
it when i saw that there was like a group of like white and blue it's all hanging

00:29:49.851 --> 00:29:53.231
out it's like dude good yeah i mean meet some homies like that was really cool

00:29:53.231 --> 00:29:55.591
i gave them all knuckles i was like you guys are wrong it's a good thing and

00:29:55.591 --> 00:29:58.631
like obviously don't get too drunk you gotta train this yeah this is obviously

00:29:58.631 --> 00:30:02.751
gonna like develop right you're gonna have you're gonna have those groups form

00:30:02.751 --> 00:30:07.351
because you're putting them in a environment where they're all going to create a shared interest.

00:30:07.671 --> 00:30:09.711
They're going to have shared struggles. Like.

00:30:10.395 --> 00:30:14.795
Which again, these are all like culty things that occur, but at the same time,

00:30:15.095 --> 00:30:22.015
there's, if it's a positive thing versus, you know, like negative,

00:30:22.195 --> 00:30:24.475
it's, it's all super fine lines.

00:30:24.575 --> 00:30:27.515
All of our, a lot of our red flags and green flags are going to have,

00:30:27.675 --> 00:30:32.535
are also going to have crossover, I guess, uh, because jujitsu has a,

00:30:32.735 --> 00:30:35.415
a positive option, right?

00:30:35.475 --> 00:30:39.955
Like an outlet that is positive, which I guess other cults do too.

00:30:39.955 --> 00:30:42.415
I don't know. Maybe like people hide in positives.

00:30:42.635 --> 00:30:44.615
It's the Jedi way. The Jedi way is very close.

00:30:45.775 --> 00:30:47.815
They're studying the force. They're using the same powers, right?

00:30:47.815 --> 00:30:50.535
That's right. They're using the same powers. They're tapping into the same power source.

00:30:50.875 --> 00:30:53.455
That's right. It's all about how you manifest. I mean, heck,

00:30:53.575 --> 00:30:56.395
force lightning and force chokes are pretty sweet though, dude.

00:30:56.575 --> 00:30:59.195
Yeah, I know. You don't get to use that on the light side. You don't get to.

00:30:59.415 --> 00:31:02.355
Force chokes you can use on the light side, right? They're not allowed to. Oh, really?

00:31:02.995 --> 00:31:06.395
Can't kill people, man. The Jedi, they can only kill for good,

00:31:06.435 --> 00:31:09.795
I guess. I don't know. They kill a shit ton of clones, but they're just clones.

00:31:10.875 --> 00:31:14.375
They have the clones, they kill robots. Obi-Wan Kenobi killed Darth Maul,

00:31:14.475 --> 00:31:17.495
didn't he? Well, yeah, the Sith dude. That's what I'm saying,

00:31:17.635 --> 00:31:18.435
I'm just saying, whatever.

00:31:19.455 --> 00:31:24.095
There's this hypocrisy within the Jedi Order. We've all had a lot of those. The Jedi Order, yeah.

00:31:24.519 --> 00:31:28.019
Well, yeah, everyone's there trying to study the Force. And so,

00:31:28.119 --> 00:31:29.799
like, you know, you want to stay on the good side of the Force,

00:31:30.019 --> 00:31:31.219
sort of with the bad side of the Force.

00:31:31.679 --> 00:31:35.519
I guess the Jedi Order is also cool. It's all cults, dude. It's just all about

00:31:35.519 --> 00:31:38.339
the outlet of the... It's a practice.

00:31:38.839 --> 00:31:42.899
Yeah. It's a discipline. Yeah. And so these things happen with a group of individuals

00:31:42.899 --> 00:31:45.479
and human beings. Human beings are going to be human beings. Yeah.

00:31:45.799 --> 00:31:49.079
It makes you have positive impulses and negative impulses. When those cliques

00:31:49.079 --> 00:31:52.919
and groups turn into splinter cells, right? Like, I think that's more of...

00:31:52.919 --> 00:31:53.759
That's what we're talking about.

00:31:53.959 --> 00:31:56.899
When you have these groups that are breaking off within

00:31:56.899 --> 00:31:59.819
the group they're they haven't quite left yet they're

00:31:59.819 --> 00:32:02.599
breaking off there's but they're they're starting to create

00:32:02.599 --> 00:32:05.419
like you said that cancer that talks in it's within

00:32:05.419 --> 00:32:10.399
the system um it's into just to be specific with that it's like when one person

00:32:10.399 --> 00:32:13.879
tells other people like follow me not you know like let's let's do our own thing

00:32:13.879 --> 00:32:17.199
yeah we're doing our thing it's really like that's whoever's leading it that's

00:32:17.199 --> 00:32:20.919
the guy saying that's my thing i want i want to i want to develop my power and

00:32:20.919 --> 00:32:24.659
influence and so like right now um So in the last episode,

00:32:24.979 --> 00:32:30.139
Nock talked about how you are inherently training your competition, right?

00:32:30.299 --> 00:32:35.359
Within, within the gym, you're training these people and eventually they reach

00:32:35.359 --> 00:32:39.759
a cap. And if they have the ambition, like all good Sith do,

00:32:39.959 --> 00:32:41.079
so they're filled with ambition.

00:32:41.759 --> 00:32:46.799
But, you know, if they have this ambition to go out on their own and do something themselves,

00:32:47.479 --> 00:32:50.659
there, there's ways that, you know,

00:32:50.659 --> 00:32:53.539
like that are approved by

00:32:53.539 --> 00:32:56.899
their masters right like masters uh

00:32:56.899 --> 00:33:00.039
master we're sticking with the star wars analogies you

00:33:00.039 --> 00:33:03.439
guys get it you've been listening master yoda dude yeah but see you know like

00:33:03.439 --> 00:33:09.319
they they you have these you're going it's going to happen right and obviously

00:33:09.319 --> 00:33:14.339
there's it's a hard thing for the person who's developed this person i don't

00:33:14.339 --> 00:33:17.999
doubt that like oh well like i put a lot of time into this person or,

00:33:18.179 --> 00:33:23.419
you know, and, but there's ways at which people tend to be okay with that, that.

00:33:24.051 --> 00:33:28.551
Branching off or moving on it's it's a thing that's going to happen eventually

00:33:28.551 --> 00:33:32.591
i think it's the other right they're right ways and wrong ways yeah like next

00:33:32.591 --> 00:33:35.571
next example right was when somebody,

00:33:36.131 --> 00:33:39.451
breaks off and just takes half of your your students

00:33:39.451 --> 00:33:42.511
and maybe they've been developing that in

00:33:42.511 --> 00:33:45.731
in our scenario we're building here is it's

00:33:45.731 --> 00:33:48.551
one thing those people just leave but if you've got this

00:33:48.551 --> 00:33:51.731
group that's splintering off within and they're developing almost

00:33:51.731 --> 00:33:55.111
a school within the school within in that

00:33:55.111 --> 00:33:58.791
person's intention is to leave and take these people that's

00:33:58.791 --> 00:34:02.451
like that's a creation of a cult scenario and

00:34:02.451 --> 00:34:05.451
maybe that disperses when they leave but like that's cult

00:34:05.451 --> 00:34:08.231
like behavior um and you

00:34:08.231 --> 00:34:11.131
know so like that's that's kind of the scenario that we're

00:34:11.131 --> 00:34:14.251
discussing of this like development of

00:34:14.251 --> 00:34:17.331
like an inner circle or not even

00:34:17.331 --> 00:34:20.451
the inner circle it's really an outer circle with them you know whatever uh

00:34:20.451 --> 00:34:23.511
the fifth column i said yeah exactly so like

00:34:23.511 --> 00:34:26.391
you know those are things to watch out for because

00:34:26.391 --> 00:34:30.851
that actually doesn't mean your gem is a cult but there might be a cult forming

00:34:30.851 --> 00:34:34.611
within because there's this cult of personality that we're just that we've been

00:34:34.611 --> 00:34:40.011
discussing there you know there's a cult of personality that's taking some sort

00:34:40.011 --> 00:34:44.231
of grasp of others and trying to turn them against.

00:34:45.126 --> 00:34:47.926
The rest of the community yeah the yeah they're creating an us

00:34:47.926 --> 00:34:50.826
and a them within versus like uh let's be let's

00:34:50.826 --> 00:34:53.986
have fun and we're gonna am versus pm's gonna battle it

00:34:53.986 --> 00:34:56.906
out and for bragging rights and then we're

00:34:56.906 --> 00:34:59.866
all gonna you know have beers and eat tacos after

00:34:59.866 --> 00:35:03.526
like that's fun that's exciting that's a good thing but like when

00:35:03.526 --> 00:35:07.926
it's like oh well we're gonna go train over here and we're not gonna tell these

00:35:07.926 --> 00:35:11.866
people and these people can't come because they would tell this guy like we

00:35:11.866 --> 00:35:14.506
start getting those weird little things going on then it's like all right this

00:35:14.506 --> 00:35:19.886
is weird um so you know like that's the kind of stuff to watch out for um in

00:35:19.886 --> 00:35:21.306
that scenario specifically.

00:35:22.326 --> 00:35:32.446
Um yeah other cult behaviors right enough on splinter cells and the the divisions um,

00:35:33.086 --> 00:35:38.426
but so you know there's some other things right what what other what other stuff

00:35:38.426 --> 00:35:42.866
and I guess like things that can be both good and bad.

00:35:42.866 --> 00:35:45.426
I've heard both sides of it because I've,

00:35:46.152 --> 00:35:51.292
I think the reason some people see what I'm about to say is a bad thing is because

00:35:51.292 --> 00:35:57.432
they might not have necessarily, if you, so some schools have uniform requirements, right?

00:35:57.972 --> 00:36:00.632
And sometimes it's just, Hey, you just got to wear the patch.

00:36:00.752 --> 00:36:02.852
You got to have, you just got to have the name on the back. Right.

00:36:03.332 --> 00:36:06.612
And in some, it's like, you got to buy this thing. This is the only option you

00:36:06.612 --> 00:36:10.652
have to buy our gi, which again, you know, like, Hey man, that's, it's just money.

00:36:11.052 --> 00:36:14.932
People are making money that's business right um i think people get rubbed the

00:36:14.932 --> 00:36:19.412
wrong way by it because they haven't done like organized sports before you know

00:36:19.412 --> 00:36:20.992
like there's there's groups within,

00:36:21.692 --> 00:36:26.732
jujitsu that like this is their first time doing any sort of sport activity

00:36:26.732 --> 00:36:31.432
and they're like oh why do i have to wear your thing um if you've done organized

00:36:31.432 --> 00:36:34.912
sports you've had a uniform before you understand like uniforms are a thing

00:36:34.912 --> 00:36:39.672
it's it it builds a team but you know i understand from.

00:36:40.712 --> 00:36:43.752
Other angles like oh we all look the same that's cold

00:36:43.752 --> 00:36:46.612
like shit I don't think it is I think

00:36:46.612 --> 00:36:49.312
that like I think it's a pretty small one but I get what you're

00:36:49.312 --> 00:36:52.252
saying but like some people like are super it's a data point on the

00:36:52.252 --> 00:36:55.052
reddit if we had like a gradient for

00:36:55.052 --> 00:36:57.832
these things and like you rate that one maybe kind of like if it's a 1 to 10 that

00:36:57.832 --> 00:37:00.432
might be like a 1 or a 2 out of 10 but if you stack the 1 and 2 out of

00:37:00.432 --> 00:37:03.592
10 it's like it's that plus bow to the picture plus do everything

00:37:03.592 --> 00:37:06.212
boss says and like think the way he thinks and he's a little

00:37:06.212 --> 00:37:08.992
bit too beating you over the head with it then like the points

00:37:08.992 --> 00:37:11.712
stack up yeah yeah it might be in a cult yeah but that

00:37:11.712 --> 00:37:15.212
one on its own i'm with you it's a business thing slash like maybe once upon

00:37:15.212 --> 00:37:20.292
a time i think it's i think these days the uniform thing is like it's kind of

00:37:20.292 --> 00:37:23.812
a coin toss maybe even less than a coin toss because coin toss could be 50 50

00:37:23.812 --> 00:37:28.992
um less than that but um less than 50 50 but.

00:37:29.660 --> 00:37:33.280
Not as many people do it um a

00:37:33.280 --> 00:37:36.080
lot of people just do the patch right like hey yeah you can just buy the

00:37:36.080 --> 00:37:38.760
just buy the patch we do the patch i mean jason has

00:37:38.760 --> 00:37:41.860
his own brand so he has so he'll he sells like

00:37:41.860 --> 00:37:44.600
the gi and but you get the gi when you sign up you

00:37:44.600 --> 00:37:47.260
get the rash card when you sign up but like he also if you want

00:37:47.260 --> 00:37:50.140
to buy a different gi because it fits you better he'll sell you the patch

00:37:50.140 --> 00:37:52.960
yeah got it so obviously there's levels

00:37:52.960 --> 00:37:55.640
of bias but at the same time like i think uniforms are a good

00:37:55.640 --> 00:37:58.380
thing i was gonna say i don't really have a problem i've never i've never

00:37:58.380 --> 00:38:01.200
had that enforced i've never enforced anything like that but i

00:38:01.200 --> 00:38:04.060
don't i don't think that's really a big deal you should want to rep

00:38:04.060 --> 00:38:07.180
your yeah that i want to rep your set bro i yeah

00:38:07.180 --> 00:38:09.900
i agree plus i also like i just understand like from

00:38:09.900 --> 00:38:12.560
the business perspective what that's that's just my view on that's always been

00:38:12.560 --> 00:38:16.080
not like a weird cult thing more of a like it's a it's a business thing so that's

00:38:16.080 --> 00:38:19.700
why i'm like okay whatever no problem no problem for me and while i've never

00:38:19.700 --> 00:38:24.100
chosen to do it um i don't blame others for doing it necessarily on the bjj

00:38:24.100 --> 00:38:29.900
subreddit dude people think it's like the biggest affront to like personal freedom

00:38:29.900 --> 00:38:31.280
in the world it's like it's like,

00:38:32.001 --> 00:38:37.781
I can't believe you would make me do this. How dare you make me wear your school name on my heat?

00:38:38.021 --> 00:38:40.961
It's like, hey, man, I don't know what to tell you. What am I supposed to do?

00:38:41.181 --> 00:38:42.621
Trying to run a business. Yeah, dude.

00:38:43.721 --> 00:38:48.881
Yeah, it's a complicated business. Sorry I want you guys. Sorry I want my brand out there.

00:38:49.861 --> 00:38:56.801
Too bad. Oh, no. You're going to go wear Gordon Ryan's Instagram handle on your rash card. Go for it.

00:38:57.161 --> 00:38:59.121
That's even weirder, bro. I mean, whatever.

00:38:59.561 --> 00:39:02.321
Like I said, I personally don't care. like I trained with a guy yesterday who

00:39:02.321 --> 00:39:04.981
was wearing a Kingsway rash guard. I don't give a shit. Yeah.

00:39:05.381 --> 00:39:07.941
But like at the same time, like I get it. So it's no big deal.

00:39:08.061 --> 00:39:11.201
In my opinion, it's not a big deal. Again, maybe a data point if you stack that

00:39:11.201 --> 00:39:13.001
with like six or seven other things and you're like, yo.

00:39:14.001 --> 00:39:16.601
So there's a bunch of small things that are beginning to compound.

00:39:16.821 --> 00:39:18.401
On the Kingsway one, right?

00:39:18.661 --> 00:39:23.521
So like speaking of uniform policies, when you start to impart that uniform

00:39:23.521 --> 00:39:28.901
policy beyond your students, that can be considered weird too.

00:39:28.901 --> 00:39:31.021
But also that's a business decision.

00:39:31.241 --> 00:39:36.721
Like when you're forcing people to purchase your equipment and also pay a drop-in fee. Okay.

00:39:37.161 --> 00:39:40.461
I've heard that. I think that was the original policy when he opened it,

00:39:40.521 --> 00:39:43.061
when Gordon Ryan opened Kingsway. I think some of these guys. I don't care.

00:39:43.701 --> 00:39:47.641
I'll buy a rash guard if that's my drop-in fee though. It might be cool rash guards too.

00:39:47.721 --> 00:39:51.961
I had to wear a fight sports rash guard when I was in fight sports.

00:39:52.141 --> 00:39:55.821
I had to wear a Wagner Hocha martial arts rash guard or fight sports because

00:39:55.821 --> 00:39:58.061
he's affiliated with those guys when I went to Wagner's.

00:39:58.061 --> 00:40:01.161
And it didn't bother me also they didn't like well fight

00:40:01.161 --> 00:40:04.601
sports i did pay a drop in but i also think part of that is like i

00:40:04.601 --> 00:40:07.601
still think that's a business thing so i think these guys also have like cultivated

00:40:07.601 --> 00:40:12.221
such a strong brand they're like yo man i'm i'm cyborg yeah i'm gordon ryan

00:40:12.221 --> 00:40:16.281
and you know like there's just a expectation like you're getting a superior

00:40:16.281 --> 00:40:21.141
product so pay for it like i still think it's a business thing which i'm again

00:40:21.141 --> 00:40:24.801
i'm okay with it and like if you want to go in sort of like this is the cost of entry.

00:40:25.828 --> 00:40:28.648
They're not making you come in. So like you can go somewhere else.

00:40:28.748 --> 00:40:31.268
There's like a million places to train in Austin, Texas. There's a million places

00:40:31.268 --> 00:40:34.868
to train in South Florida, in Miami, in that area. So like, I don't have to go there.

00:40:35.248 --> 00:40:38.648
This is my take on it as like a guy who, you know, I'm a black belt.

00:40:39.208 --> 00:40:41.908
If anyone, you know, might hypothetically have an opinion on this,

00:40:41.968 --> 00:40:43.688
you'd be like, oh, I'm a black belt. Like, I don't really care.

00:40:43.808 --> 00:40:45.688
Like, I mean, I'm like, okay, man, dude, like you guys will let me come into

00:40:45.688 --> 00:40:47.988
your place. I'm gonna get some good training. Sure, here's a $45.

00:40:48.268 --> 00:40:52.828
Yeah, that's not that. I'll take it. I paid $75 to drop into Matt Serra's place.

00:40:52.828 --> 00:40:55.888
Like well you know it's it's interesting people have names and brands and

00:40:55.888 --> 00:40:58.768
you know they've earned a level of they've earned the ability to do

00:40:58.768 --> 00:41:01.568
it yeah man well and just to contrast too like when

00:41:01.568 --> 00:41:04.448
i was when i was in austin a couple years ago i went to 10th planet

00:41:04.448 --> 00:41:07.328
and they were awesome dude they were like they they

00:41:07.328 --> 00:41:10.008
told me like you're a blackball you have to pay pay nothing come train with

00:41:10.008 --> 00:41:13.208
us and i was like well that's awesome thanks guys and um they

00:41:13.208 --> 00:41:16.208
were super welcoming of me they're like dude you know they said nice

00:41:16.208 --> 00:41:19.748
things about me and how you know they told me i was good i was like okay thanks um

00:41:19.748 --> 00:41:22.328
and i bought a rash guard just because i wanted to so it's like

00:41:22.328 --> 00:41:25.288
you guys are gonna let me do all this shit let me at least give you something like here thank

00:41:25.288 --> 00:41:28.368
you i'll buy a rash i'd personally rather buy

00:41:28.368 --> 00:41:32.168
a rash guard than pay a drop drop in fee yeah i don't have a problem either

00:41:32.168 --> 00:41:35.368
personally i don't care but like if if i have a choice right it's like hey you

00:41:35.368 --> 00:41:38.728
get the rash guard you'll keep the rash guard right i actually have both rash

00:41:38.728 --> 00:41:41.428
cards so i still wear both right i wear all those rash guards i think they're

00:41:41.428 --> 00:41:44.108
actually good rash guards i wear the fight sports rash guard i wear the vagner

00:41:44.108 --> 00:41:47.728
rash guard i wear the 10th planet rash guard, they're just good rash guards.

00:41:48.008 --> 00:41:50.088
So, I mean, I would agree. Like, if you're going to pay for something,

00:41:50.188 --> 00:41:52.308
I'm like, I'll keep this for a while. It doesn't have to be with me until I

00:41:52.308 --> 00:41:54.248
rip it, you know, in like eight years or something. But.

00:41:54.858 --> 00:41:57.618
In the meantime, cool rash guard. Works for me.

00:41:58.958 --> 00:42:02.578
So I still think that's like a business thing that I personally don't have a

00:42:02.578 --> 00:42:03.998
problem with. I think it's totally fine.

00:42:05.418 --> 00:42:08.998
I mean, like you probably saw how much, like Gordon was posting how much he charges.

00:42:09.238 --> 00:42:12.358
Again, like Gordon's like an extreme example because he's just, he truly is so unique.

00:42:12.518 --> 00:42:16.038
I mean, people, yeah, people are, you almost are putting up,

00:42:16.138 --> 00:42:19.478
it's like when tradesmen put up fuck you prices, right? It's a premium.

00:42:19.838 --> 00:42:24.198
They're like, hey, like you got to want this. He also just launched that company,

00:42:24.318 --> 00:42:26.358
right? Like earlier this or like late last year.

00:42:26.518 --> 00:42:28.898
So like dude's probably trying to get some return on his damn investment.

00:42:29.098 --> 00:42:31.838
So he's like, let's see if the market responds to these prices.

00:42:31.978 --> 00:42:33.378
And if they do. Gotta cover that floor.

00:42:34.098 --> 00:42:36.058
Yeah, dude. Yeah, for sure. And

00:42:36.058 --> 00:42:39.898
the money he pumped into launching the business. Like, so like whatever.

00:42:40.198 --> 00:42:42.398
And if people are willing to pay it, which I think they are.

00:42:42.558 --> 00:42:44.578
And that second mortgage, I'm sure.

00:42:44.918 --> 00:42:47.518
Yeah, whatever. That mortgage that his wife no longer is paying. It's fine.

00:42:48.018 --> 00:42:51.798
Yeah, sure. Jab, jab, jab. There you go. You jab. I'm going to give him credit.

00:42:51.978 --> 00:42:55.018
Like I don't have a problem with it, man. I know. It makes sense. right like

00:42:55.018 --> 00:42:58.238
it doesn't bother me is all i'm saying and like dude like and if but you

00:42:58.238 --> 00:43:01.538
know alternatively like if if the marketplace responds negatively

00:43:01.538 --> 00:43:04.238
towards it i'm sure he'd be open to be like oh shit like no one's

00:43:04.238 --> 00:43:07.718
actually paying for this stuff maybe i need to reconsider the following things

00:43:07.718 --> 00:43:13.178
bless you i tried i tried to get it off the mic you did good job um all i'm

00:43:13.178 --> 00:43:16.318
saying is like you know that's some of that's like i mean that's just i don't

00:43:16.318 --> 00:43:20.638
know business stuff whatever i have no problem with it um you know and if people

00:43:20.638 --> 00:43:23.518
are willing to pay for it then more power to even oh Oh yeah.

00:43:24.698 --> 00:43:28.578
Cash in on like the dudes, dude, make that bag, dude.

00:43:28.718 --> 00:43:33.598
Sure, yeah. Gotta make that bag. I get it, I'm cool with uniform policies.

00:43:34.258 --> 00:43:38.018
But I just know it's a topic that comes up.

00:43:38.118 --> 00:43:41.538
It does come up, and like you said, I guess the Reddit, Reddit's funny,

00:43:41.678 --> 00:43:45.078
because Reddit's just full of dorks usually. It's all negative opinions.

00:43:46.478 --> 00:43:49.378
I love it. I mean, some of it's fun. It is like fun, like trolling.

00:43:49.538 --> 00:43:52.378
It's just a place you can just dump on people. Oh, it's great.

00:43:53.274 --> 00:43:57.114
Yeah craig jones is on there uh it's john belushi's mom so if you ever troll

00:43:57.114 --> 00:44:01.874
the red is john belushi's mom is craig jones got it uh so you can get all of

00:44:01.874 --> 00:44:06.654
the get some fun you've decoded there you go oh no i mean it's very it's well

00:44:06.654 --> 00:44:09.394
known pretty well yeah um there you go,

00:44:10.214 --> 00:44:13.514
yeah and like other little things

00:44:13.514 --> 00:44:16.454
that uh i've heard of i've i've not

00:44:16.454 --> 00:44:20.334
seen these ones okay but the like um i've

00:44:20.334 --> 00:44:23.054
heard of instances where you know like you

00:44:23.054 --> 00:44:26.334
have the coach and they're like hey

00:44:26.334 --> 00:44:29.434
give me this money for this thing you

00:44:29.434 --> 00:44:32.974
know like like what what things like investment investments right

00:44:32.974 --> 00:44:36.274
investing you know when you start getting to that like pyramid

00:44:36.274 --> 00:44:39.814
scheme stuff or like hey let's

00:44:39.814 --> 00:44:42.994
you know when they start branching beyond

00:44:42.994 --> 00:44:45.874
their areas of expertise maybe like because some

00:44:45.874 --> 00:44:49.474
some things they might offer advice that because they have expertise outside

00:44:49.474 --> 00:44:59.574
of jujitsu but there are instances where people because of their their placement

00:44:59.574 --> 00:45:05.814
and influence within the hierarchy of jujitsu begin to think they have um.

00:45:06.660 --> 00:45:09.960
Knowledge in areas do you have an example or expertise in

00:45:09.960 --> 00:45:13.340
areas outside of hey i started this nft yeah

00:45:13.340 --> 00:45:16.700
that type of thing yeah you know when you start getting into like

00:45:16.700 --> 00:45:19.720
yeah i mean now it's a good the invest in the coins

00:45:19.720 --> 00:45:24.700
and i've started this bitcoin alternative you should invest in my bitcoin not

00:45:24.700 --> 00:45:28.780
heard of start doing pump and dump schemes i have not heard of this but okay

00:45:28.780 --> 00:45:32.560
i mean it's the kind of thing that would happen in this i suppose i suppose

00:45:32.560 --> 00:45:36.840
but like Like when there start to be outward schemes,

00:45:37.040 --> 00:45:40.920
schemes outside of jujitsu that they're trying to draw people into,

00:45:40.920 --> 00:45:46.760
or they start telling you to do things that are unrelated to your jujitsu.

00:45:46.940 --> 00:45:50.640
Like it's one thing if they're like, Hey, like I think this diet works. Right.

00:45:51.140 --> 00:45:56.960
But it's another thing if they're like trying to guide you into other, other stuff.

00:45:57.140 --> 00:46:03.380
I don't know. Like I don't have a lot of specifics. I've just heard of like the, and it happens.

00:46:03.760 --> 00:46:08.200
Also, people sometimes solicit advice outside of jujitsu from their coaches.

00:46:08.620 --> 00:46:11.680
I don't know why this is a thing, but it's apparently a thing.

00:46:11.700 --> 00:46:14.240
And they're role models sometimes, like if you're in that position,

00:46:14.320 --> 00:46:16.520
they might want like other life advice. I don't know.

00:46:16.680 --> 00:46:18.920
Yeah, I don't know. But I'm just saying that there's definitely,

00:46:18.940 --> 00:46:21.320
there's a line there when you start getting into.

00:46:21.540 --> 00:46:24.440
I think the big one that we haven't talked about is like when the boss,

00:46:24.520 --> 00:46:26.620
if it's a guy, he's like, bring me your women. We start.

00:46:26.900 --> 00:46:32.100
We have touched upon this. It's like, you know, it's, yeah, that's a major red flag when like the.

00:46:32.938 --> 00:46:35.478
If it's a dude, just as an example, I guess you could say the same thing for

00:46:35.478 --> 00:46:38.478
a lady. Hey, I need to talk to your wife. Yeah, that's, I mean,

00:46:38.538 --> 00:46:39.578
that's an extreme example.

00:46:40.418 --> 00:46:44.378
But, yeah, I mean, if the guy is dating women in the community,

00:46:44.478 --> 00:46:47.518
that's a problem. Yeah, when they're... Not good judgment.

00:46:48.358 --> 00:46:52.538
Yeah, when the guy at the top is... And Nakabana mentioned, he's like,

00:46:52.578 --> 00:46:55.418
there are outliers where, like, you know, you'll meet your wife.

00:46:55.478 --> 00:46:56.638
He's like, all right, cool, it happens.

00:46:56.698 --> 00:46:59.118
But he's like, that's, like, not the norm, I suppose.

00:46:59.318 --> 00:47:02.218
Yeah. It could go a positive route, but it's also like this.

00:47:02.438 --> 00:47:05.658
I have always been in the opinion it's a red flag. I mean, it's.

00:47:05.758 --> 00:47:10.918
I don't do it. That's like quintessential cult 101, dude. When the leader is

00:47:10.918 --> 00:47:11.978
sleeping with all the women.

00:47:12.638 --> 00:47:15.618
Big time. So, you know, that's. Yeah, that's classic cult stuff.

00:47:15.718 --> 00:47:18.478
That's classic cult behavior. Just to wrap up on the cult concept here.

00:47:18.598 --> 00:47:21.698
Yeah, definitely keep your eyes and ears open for that type of stuff.

00:47:21.838 --> 00:47:23.458
If there's a lot of shared drug use.

00:47:24.278 --> 00:47:27.918
Sure, sure. Punch parties. We're all going to drink the Kool-Aid on this day.

00:47:28.018 --> 00:47:30.218
When there's Kool-Aid, Kool-Aid parties. If it comes to that,

00:47:30.498 --> 00:47:32.718
you bet your bottom dollar you're probably in a cult.

00:47:32.978 --> 00:47:35.878
Yeah, you know, if you're invited to it. I haven't heard that happening in jujitsu.

00:47:36.418 --> 00:47:40.458
We're all going to drink the Kool-Aid stuff, but. I have yet to hear of a mass

00:47:40.458 --> 00:47:44.618
suicide scenario in a jujitsu. But.

00:47:45.098 --> 00:47:48.778
Probably a cult. If you get invited to one. Yeah, we're all going to drink this

00:47:48.778 --> 00:47:50.358
juice. Stay home that day. Don't go to class.

00:47:50.578 --> 00:47:53.498
Don't go to class. Be like, oh, this is a cult. I'm sick. Yeah.

00:47:53.718 --> 00:47:57.698
I think I'm going to stay home and report you to the feds. Put in that stop

00:47:57.698 --> 00:48:02.318
order on the credit card and go join the school down the road if you're invited to the Kool-Aid party.

00:48:02.618 --> 00:48:06.658
Join the next cult. That was a good run. We'll go try the other one. There you go.

00:48:07.198 --> 00:48:13.278
So, any other... What about green... Do you have a very specific green flag

00:48:13.278 --> 00:48:15.778
that we can wrap up? Let's wrap up on a good note.

00:48:16.058 --> 00:48:19.718
Yeah, it's a total. Not on MassSafe. I was going to say, if everyone in the

00:48:19.718 --> 00:48:23.538
Academy is smiling, that might be a red flag too. No, it's different. It's just like...

00:48:24.398 --> 00:48:29.958
Yeah, I guess a green flag would be if like if the regular people I say the

00:48:29.958 --> 00:48:34.558
regular it's like the the the normal culture of the people around you is is,

00:48:35.171 --> 00:48:38.951
positive and just feels normal but normal and positive it's a good thing and

00:48:38.951 --> 00:48:42.291
like i said 90 percent of your jiu-jitsu community is going to be like this

00:48:42.291 --> 00:48:46.411
um so i guess the last thing i'll say is if we've been harping on like the theme

00:48:46.411 --> 00:48:47.951
that we're harping on is inherently negative,

00:48:48.711 --> 00:48:52.631
um i don't want anyone listening to be like scared out of like the the rooms

00:48:52.631 --> 00:48:55.911
that they're in you're probably in a totally normal really cool awesome good

00:48:55.911 --> 00:49:01.011
room um there aren't in my i mean it's the The D.C.

00:49:01.091 --> 00:49:03.311
Area is pretty big. D.C.

00:49:03.491 --> 00:49:06.711
Area, you add in Maryland, Virginia to that, right?

00:49:06.831 --> 00:49:11.471
Our broader area, because D.C. is not a big city, but the surrounding area,

00:49:11.511 --> 00:49:13.351
it becomes a metropolitan area.

00:49:13.691 --> 00:49:17.291
We've had some of this stuff happen for the most part. And there's just so many

00:49:17.291 --> 00:49:19.211
jiu-jitsu gyms now, man. There's so many places.

00:49:19.411 --> 00:49:25.071
I think there's so many options that it kind of doesn't allow it to happen anymore.

00:49:25.211 --> 00:49:28.011
Yeah, exactly. I mean, it definitely did, and it has. And it probably still

00:49:28.011 --> 00:49:30.531
kind of does a little bit. But like I said, yeah, I think we're on the same

00:49:30.531 --> 00:49:32.271
page, man. It's like, there's so many good options.

00:49:32.411 --> 00:49:35.691
It's like the more, the more options to train, the more places,

00:49:35.831 --> 00:49:39.371
like the, the more stuff like that will become exposed. And I think we're,

00:49:39.391 --> 00:49:40.511
we're in a good spot for it.

00:49:40.571 --> 00:49:45.051
Like for the, the bulk of our listeners who are here, like you're probably just fine.

00:49:45.831 --> 00:49:48.691
If you're concerned, um, okay.

00:49:48.971 --> 00:49:51.751
Audit, try to audit like we just discussed here, but you're,

00:49:51.871 --> 00:49:55.011
you're most likely in a really cool place. And, uh.

00:49:56.299 --> 00:49:58.959
No major cause for concern but like this just keep it on the

00:49:58.959 --> 00:50:01.919
radar man you the the one thing i'll say about um

00:50:01.919 --> 00:50:04.699
you've talked about this before because like

00:50:04.699 --> 00:50:07.859
jujitsu is so present on social

00:50:07.859 --> 00:50:10.639
media it's like that's our tmz i mean.

00:50:10.639 --> 00:50:13.379
Every subculture is present on social media because it's

00:50:13.379 --> 00:50:16.719
like it's this is a community oriented environment where

00:50:16.719 --> 00:50:19.419
i'm like on on the i'm talking about jujitsu on mass like all over the world

00:50:19.419 --> 00:50:23.199
and these communities can interact and

00:50:23.199 --> 00:50:26.059
like we can like cross community bridges like we we cross

00:50:26.059 --> 00:50:28.699
train we meet dudes from other academies which is also by the way and last thing

00:50:28.699 --> 00:50:31.559
i'll say if you're listening to this that's a really good thing too like go cross train go go

00:50:31.559 --> 00:50:34.259
check out some other academies it's like if you've never left not fall into

00:50:34.259 --> 00:50:37.019
a court it's a good way to see like what like like yeah it

00:50:37.019 --> 00:50:40.299
is it's a good way to kind of be like what's the north like whatever what are what's this

00:50:40.299 --> 00:50:43.099
entire world look like and i think the more it's

00:50:43.099 --> 00:50:45.759
like literally it's like it's like learning to travel it's like

00:50:45.759 --> 00:50:48.759
being like hey if you've never left the united states which love usa

00:50:48.759 --> 00:50:51.719
um go see the rest of the world and um you'll probably

00:50:51.719 --> 00:50:54.539
appreciate the usa more but like you but just this is eye opening right

00:50:54.539 --> 00:50:57.479
so like like that cross training hitting other academies

00:50:57.479 --> 00:51:00.299
is also eye opening and i'm not saying go and

00:51:00.299 --> 00:51:03.699
like jump ship and start swinging around in multiple different academies you could

00:51:03.699 --> 00:51:06.519
um you know if you're if you're happy and loyal to

00:51:06.519 --> 00:51:09.499
the team that you're on that's a really good thing and you should do that but like the

00:51:09.499 --> 00:51:13.019
last thing we didn't talk about this but um because

00:51:13.019 --> 00:51:15.999
i kind of think this is like a it's come up before maybe it

00:51:15.999 --> 00:51:18.639
came up recently i think we talked about adam a little bit which was like if you're in a

00:51:18.639 --> 00:51:21.339
place like an environment where like the coach doesn't want you to cross train that

00:51:21.339 --> 00:51:24.339
could be a red flag oh that's definitely a red flag that's a big red flag where

00:51:24.339 --> 00:51:27.099
they're like hey don't go see no we don't like those guys don't go see.

00:51:27.099 --> 00:51:30.599
What's outside the world yeah like super intense like

00:51:30.599 --> 00:51:33.659
you're for you are for bolton from visiting

00:51:33.659 --> 00:51:37.979
that is kind of cult like when yeah exactly like sometimes there's reasons because

00:51:37.979 --> 00:51:41.439
sometimes it's one thing if they're like hey this one place like hey i support

00:51:41.439 --> 00:51:44.119
you go cross chamber there's just one place keep an eye on those guys like that's

00:51:44.119 --> 00:51:47.699
different than saying like no everywhere else outside of the four walls you're

00:51:47.699 --> 00:51:51.799
right now with me are scary and bad. That's controlling behavior. Um.

00:51:52.581 --> 00:51:56.241
But I think, anyways, like, I think our point stands, which is,

00:51:56.341 --> 00:51:59.621
like, go see, like, what the world looks like. See what, like, other people are like.

00:51:59.701 --> 00:52:04.221
And, like, a good other team, like, Knack, Tim, like, guys who I cross-trained

00:52:04.221 --> 00:52:06.401
with the whole time, Dave Porter, like, good dudes who are, like,

00:52:06.461 --> 00:52:12.981
you know, like, a good ambassador, a good guy running a community when other people come and visit.

00:52:13.521 --> 00:52:16.441
And if they know the place you're coming from, they're usually going to be,

00:52:16.461 --> 00:52:19.901
like, super respectful. They're going to, like, praise and loud the coach that you have.

00:52:20.001 --> 00:52:23.741
And, like, yo, dude, like, Scott's the man. and you're welcome to come anytime.

00:52:24.021 --> 00:52:27.381
They'll welcome these guys in and let you train. They're not going to try and poach your people.

00:52:28.401 --> 00:52:32.761
That's also a good sign of not a cult. That's right. That's why I think it's

00:52:32.761 --> 00:52:33.621
a good thing to go do that.

00:52:33.721 --> 00:52:36.941
If you're on the other side of that and you're scared of that happening,

00:52:37.341 --> 00:52:38.341
you might be a cult leader.

00:52:38.781 --> 00:52:42.361
If you're like, don't go to this guy's places. He's bad.

00:52:42.881 --> 00:52:47.101
Unless you really have, I don't know, whatever. Real beef. Serious concerns.

00:52:47.361 --> 00:52:50.741
Actual beef with this person. I'd say serious concerns, but yeah, I'm with it. um

00:52:50.741 --> 00:52:53.381
sometimes it's unrelated to bjj too a lot of

00:52:53.381 --> 00:52:56.261
times it is unrelated yeah it's like hey like i just this guy

00:52:56.261 --> 00:53:02.721
this guy kicked my dog yeah or whatever sure sure um but i mean i guess like

00:53:02.721 --> 00:53:07.841
kind of this this episode was somewhat of like a it's a little bit of like a

00:53:07.841 --> 00:53:11.701
a joke in some way like obviously there's some real things but in some ways

00:53:11.701 --> 00:53:14.881
like yeah like you're gonna see colt like,

00:53:15.637 --> 00:53:20.277
You're going to see things that are cult-like within any jiu-jitsu gym because

00:53:20.277 --> 00:53:24.257
of the way jiu-jitsu and all martial arts are laid out.

00:53:25.857 --> 00:53:29.597
It's a thing you're going to see. We're having a little bit of fun with it.

00:53:31.317 --> 00:53:34.997
If you were to really evaluate your jiu-jitsu gym, you're going to obviously

00:53:34.997 --> 00:53:37.317
be going back and forth on like, oh, this is a cult.

00:53:37.417 --> 00:53:39.677
I guess actually it's really not a cult. Oh, it is a cult. Oh,

00:53:39.677 --> 00:53:40.877
it's not really a cult. It's a good cult.

00:53:41.397 --> 00:53:43.797
Hopefully you're saying this is a good – I'm in a really good cult.

00:53:44.757 --> 00:53:48.357
Hopefully. jiu-jitsu as a entire sport

00:53:48.357 --> 00:53:51.117
is kind of a cult and we've we've been playing around

00:53:51.117 --> 00:53:53.917
with that concept like the past few episodes here too right like

00:53:53.917 --> 00:53:56.937
yeah definitely it's it's kind of culty but

00:53:56.937 --> 00:53:59.617
like it's okay i don't know like it's not

00:53:59.617 --> 00:54:03.917
it's not like a real i think i think what we're saying is that all of us in

00:54:03.917 --> 00:54:07.857
jiu-jitsu across all the academies we're all in the bigger broader cult of jiu-jitsu

00:54:07.857 --> 00:54:10.597
we just want to keep people on the cult like if someone leaves i've told this

00:54:10.597 --> 00:54:13.417
other people leave like hey man wherever you go just keep training dude yeah

00:54:13.417 --> 00:54:17.317
don't quit the cult Don't leave the grand cult of Jiu-Jitsu.

00:54:17.457 --> 00:54:21.997
The big cult, yeah, yeah, because we really like it. This is just a church of

00:54:21.997 --> 00:54:25.317
Jiu-Jitsu. That's kind of what it is. Jiu-Jitsu is Scientology.

00:54:25.977 --> 00:54:27.737
I shouldn't say it. They're going to come get us. Jiu-Jitsu-ology,

00:54:27.757 --> 00:54:30.937
yeah. The Scientologists are going to come get us. We wish we were Scientologists.

00:54:30.937 --> 00:54:33.377
Tom Cruise is going to fight me. We wish we were, dude.

00:54:33.997 --> 00:54:37.537
Yeah. We can't compare. No, no, no, no. They're on another level.

00:54:37.997 --> 00:54:40.337
I mean, if they start pulling your Thetan levels.

00:54:40.857 --> 00:54:43.317
Dude, that's a good idea. Start testing your Thetan levels right at the right.

00:54:43.317 --> 00:54:45.917
Like I grab onto these two electrodes. Hold this. Oh my God.

00:54:46.057 --> 00:54:47.837
Your, your jiu-jitsu powers are so low.

00:54:48.917 --> 00:54:52.837
Oh, well, I mean, that's kind of a place. That's a, yeah, you're in the right

00:54:52.837 --> 00:54:55.217
place. Stepping the right place. Your midichlorians.

00:54:55.857 --> 00:54:58.237
That's Star Wars. Dangerously low. Your midichlorians are low.

00:54:58.637 --> 00:55:00.737
Oh no, your midichlorians are off the charts.

00:55:00.917 --> 00:55:04.097
You should be doing more jiu-jitsu. Yeah. That'll be $5,000.

00:55:04.996 --> 00:55:09.276
Well, now I want to talk about steroids. That might be the next thing.

00:55:09.536 --> 00:55:13.916
Midichlorians makes me think of testosterone levels. Midichlorian levels are so high.

00:55:14.716 --> 00:55:21.196
But yeah, guys, you're probably in a cult, but it's okay. This was Fighters Drinking Coffee.

00:55:24.716 --> 00:55:28.756
As always, guys, welcome to the cult of... This is a cult too,

00:55:28.936 --> 00:55:31.516
bro. The cult of Fighters Drinking Coffee.

00:55:32.636 --> 00:55:36.236
Five stars. Drop those reviews. is get more people to join the cult.

00:55:36.496 --> 00:55:40.016
Join our cult. Join our cult. It's the simplest cult that's ever existed.

00:55:40.596 --> 00:55:43.436
Your opt-in, opt-out is hitting play on Spotify. Yeah, all you have to do is

00:55:43.436 --> 00:55:44.916
listen to what we have to say.

00:55:45.016 --> 00:55:48.796
Yeah, dude. Just listen to our culty, or just listen to our mixtapes,

00:55:48.836 --> 00:55:50.776
bro. We're the chillest cult leaders you'll ever meet, man.

00:55:51.116 --> 00:55:54.496
There's some wild ones out there. Yeah. We might need to sub our game up a little

00:55:54.496 --> 00:55:57.836
bit. Yeah, but you know. We do need to sub our game up. We're going to make this cult real.

00:55:58.636 --> 00:56:00.756
Yeah, this is going to be a dope cult, dude. Serious cult stuff.

00:56:00.816 --> 00:56:04.016
It'll be fun. We're going to get some sweet robes. We're going to provide you like a lot of value.

00:56:04.356 --> 00:56:06.936
Yeah, the wearing of geese is kind of like wearing robes, man.

00:56:07.136 --> 00:56:11.556
Dude, all right. Colts like robes. That's true. But yeah, guys, thanks for listening.

00:56:12.336 --> 00:56:15.256
Five-star reviews. Those help us out a lot. Gets more people,

00:56:15.556 --> 00:56:20.236
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00:56:21.456 --> 00:56:25.256
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think, good or bad, don't care.

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I just want to hear your input. it that helps us one if you know it helps us

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get content you guys want to listen to hop in the discord we we pay attention

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to that stuff we've done a lot of listener questions from there um you guys

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have given us a lot of good ideas for topics it's fun to interact with you keep keep doing it guys um,

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and yeah oh and we do have we keep

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saying we do have i've been working on it uh we're

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working on that patreon stuff so uh we'll have

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some cool new things if you guys are interested

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uh we'll we'll give more information on that once it's all set up but we want

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to make sure we have it set up before we just start we want to make sure we

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actually have the value adds for you guys before we start doing anything with

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it so it's not we we want to give you what you're paying for um but yeah guys

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that was fast drinking coffee love you bye bye.