(Ep 30) Pit Tested: First Super Fights in the NGA Pit

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Welcome back to fighters drinking

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coffee i say like that because i like to watch the sound level

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rise it's pretty cool awesome uh welcome back

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to fighters drinking coffee guys um so recently

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i had two super

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fights in the pit whenever down uh whenever went down

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to nga doing some match breakdown some match

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analysis guys a little bit of breakdown um but so

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it was my first experience actually competing in the pit oh like

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i always thought the pit was super cool that's actually why i wanted to do

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this um but so i got two matches in the

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pit um i had to rush through them

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had to get home to the family uh get in

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get out of your job but so i got some matches in the

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pit got to like watch a few um a lot

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less pit work from some of the guys than

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others uh watching like some of the blue belt stuff so

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they had a blue belt quintet going on um i competed.

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At 145 which is five pounds lighter

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than usual um now given i used

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to compete at 135 yeah but back

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when i fought years ago as many years ago you've grown

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literally and but i also had 24

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hours from way into fight fight time like it's

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vastly different than two hours right so um

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it was a little tougher than i remember but it wasn't

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too bad i really didn't feel it until i

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was there two hours is not a ton of

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time no it's more like the drive the drive down

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so like i walk around about one about

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155 um you know fed

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and watered so uh so it's

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it's about a 10 pound cut but you know 10 two hours

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to replenish that now i did i weighed in 145.2 my

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allotment was 146 so like fucking perfect um and then watered up i was back

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up to 153 by match time so that was pretty good got hydrated well i wish i brought

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more water with me though because i was so thirsty when i left.

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Um but i had two matches in the

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pit first time competing in the pit both guys

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one guy actually trained in the pit trains in

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the pit every day so his gym has one the other

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guy he's competed in the pit a few times so he's

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had like a he's competed at this promotion a few times um

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i'd seen him compete i'd coached against him and

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uh i had a training partner that started training with

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alex over at vanguard who had also competed against

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him so i actually had some good intel i had some really good

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intel um second guy had a little bit less i

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had someone who had seen him compete but like having

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that having like kind of coached someone through competing with the other guy

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and having someone who physically competed with them made a big difference right

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like that it helped it changes things you know what that person likes to do

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you have like actual hands-on experience um.

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But so kind of started breaking it down, you know, where it's match day, got some good warmups.

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My, uh, buddy James doc, as we called him at the gym, uh, different,

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not the doctor. Got a doc.

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Different doc. Also everyone needs a doc. Everyone needs a brown belt dentist.

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That's right. This is a thing that you should have in your life. I agree.

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Um, but so he came up, he, uh, he trains down in Richmond now,

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but so it was down in Fredericksburg. So he met us, he met me up there so he could coach me.

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So this was in Fredericksburg this was yeah so this was it

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was at the lab instead of at high noon okay um

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but so you know I had a coach there which was good

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it was which actually especially having two matches it was

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good to have someone like afterwards to like hey like

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here's what you did well here's here's what you should focus

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on next like think about this if you're in those positions again

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next time so I mean that was pretty good um good.

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To have someone like that you're comfortable with for warm ups

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too and not like have to grab a random person in the

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fighter area um but you

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know like usual things super fights

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i'm like way more nervous before i don't

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know why one-on-ones maybe yeah i think it's like one-on-one like

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people are watching so it's a little bit different um then

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but once i get the first role like i just

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basically once you get through the warm-up you're good to go ibjjf's

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a lot less nervous probably because nobody's watching you or it

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feels like no one's watching you there's like other people on the there's like

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eight matches going on yeah like it just feels less it's

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i think it's a more comfort like something more comfortable it's more like

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a wrestling meet like wrestling tournament it's just a more comfortable

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uh scenario i don't know i don't feel like i need

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to warm up as often for those i still do but like

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i don't i don't i mean like i don't need it for the nerves i

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understand like the other you know getting the heart rate up yeah

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um but the uh

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the first match you know it's it's

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fun pretty cool you hop into the pit you slide down the wall uh

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first match guy was uh he's a taller

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dude but i mean i definitely generally the

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bigger guy he was just taller um tall skinny tall yeah taller skinny guy tall

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skinny build um he likes he we get in there slap bump he immediately pulls guard

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uh which was expected i thought maybe he'd like want to stand to feel it out a little bit longer.

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But I think he had enough. He just didn't want to mess around with the wrestling.

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Yeah, I think he had an idea of like, this guy's a wrestler.

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There's a lot of data on me. It's so, you know, it's easy enough to find it.

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In fact, I think him and the, I saw him and my second opponent talking to each

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other. I think they were watching videos.

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Sharing notes, those little fun. Yeah, good for them. Colluding. Good for them.

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They respected you enough to want to collude against you. Which I can appreciate.

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I like that. I appreciate that. That makes me feel good.

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Yeah, I suppose. But so he, you know, he sits down and I kind of expected this.

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I knew he was a leg locker. So, um.

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You know, kind of knew what to watch out for. I knew that he likes to go double

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outside or 50, 50 for his attacks.

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Um, had some intel that he likes going saddled, but I, I didn't,

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wasn't really concerned about that just from the way that I play.

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So I, not like a super common entry that gets put on me. So like,

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I wasn't super worried about it.

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Um, but so, you know, it was like, all right, well, step one, let's address the legs.

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We're in getting closer and start smashing um so when

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it started playing some uh playing in on the

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uh body lock working in

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getting through and i ended up getting into half guard

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so i was working from half guard went chest to chest started smashing there

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um and looking for the pass

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from there and actually um something i

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had been working on in uh i meant

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to bring up this morning we were working on it too but so

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when that like tripod scenario i've started

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liking hiking my the underhook

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side elbow to elevate super high um

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because whether or not i'm getting that arm it it

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puts you into that like single chest wrap without having

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to go all the way to mount so you get a really good pathway um because

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either they try to turn that direction give you the knee

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or like you just have a really good control over the top um

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get to the top he ends

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up bellying he ends up like trying to turtle which fine for me i like i like

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wrestling like that's a position i'm comfortable with um i actually end up from

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there i go to like a a two-on-one so like i get the i pull one one arm down.

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I get a wrist control on one side and I feed through and get forearm control on the other.

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So I have like a, almost like a seatbelt, um, like a lap bar, you know, like on a.

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On a, uh, roller coaster. There you go. You want to think of it that way.

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Uh, and I use that to turn people and it's actually been pretty effective.

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It's something I've recently started adding in for like my back control game.

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Um, and you can either kind of like turn it into like a crab ride,

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use that to take the back or, uh, it's a pretty good Avenue just to turn the

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back down and take like North South or side control.

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And so I went from that, pulled them into.

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Pulled him back and switch right into the head and arm um and he goes to turn away which,

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what i already had it really tight like this was it was a tight head

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and arm he goes to turn away so i switched it off into

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that like rutola teen so like dropped the elbow

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through had that like reverse grip on it and um

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and i mean dude it was tight dude was

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uh this back take which i

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should point out back take occurred across the wall so

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like i did like a cool like little break dance move through the wall used that

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uh used that slope isn't that pit um so like

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that was the first first my first taste of using

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the pit wall and i was like all right this is pretty cool uh we need

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to do that like break dance move through the wall um but

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got got that tight grip on there and dude was like grunting snorting

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uh you know you you get that like gurgling sound

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and i was like all right this is starting to work and uh but dude

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was dude was tough he didn't want to let go of it uh or

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didn't want to tap like he was actually holding out really well

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um must have had just enough space uh and

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it's one of those things where like all right i have another match after this

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burning out these this like i could squeeze just keep squeezing this and try

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to like just power through it or like switch off to something else and you know

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hopefully not burn out my arms and everything.

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I mean, we were in this position. This was probably at this point about,

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halfway or more than halfway through the match um i don't know the exact time

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but like we were we were pretty deep into the match at this point and i held

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him there for a good portion of time so it kind of reaches that point of like

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all right like how much time can we commit to this.

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Um so i switch off get to the top and like almost immediately like all right we have we're in.

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This is submission only i already know i'm

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kind of like winning in the judge's scorecard i've been attacking i've

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been very like i've been the one attacking here you

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know went to a had like a couple um had a

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couple other submission like attempts so it's

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like fuck it i'm gonna throw i'm just gonna i'm gonna prop

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them up and just like helicopter arm bar so i

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just like threw that uh it wasn't like super

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it was good enough to like be a submission attempt

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but like it it didn't like lead to anything i

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didn't get didn't get his arms apart so then just you know come back

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on top working there uh and then with his

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long ass legs he like at the very end

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throws up like that a reverse triangle like north south

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style um and you know just to kind of

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like he threw something up there and i just kind of postured up

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and i was like i guess i'm just gonna wait this out and wait for the

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bell at this point which you know whatever it uh but

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i i already knew at that point i'd done plenty for and

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i had like i i had a i had a really close i

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had a really close submission like really near submission uh to

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like where i thought the dude was gonna fall pass out um i

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thought i was gonna get get the sleep uh you know a couple other submission

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attempts i was aggressive on top um stifled everything that any attempt he had

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it like trying to put me back in guard or sweep or any of that so i mean i was

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just on top the whole time.

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Attacking so like as far as the security of the win i already knew it was there had it Um.

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And so, you know, he had it there. So just got to have to play,

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downplay his attempt, right? At that point where I think we were probably in

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the last 10 seconds at that point.

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So it's like, all right, let's just downplay his submission attempt and play it cool.

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But, you know, so first feeling in the pit, it's weirdly, it was weirdly easy

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to, one, playing the pit on the ground was pretty cool.

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Like that was fun. like it's there's a lot of

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there's a lot of like cool things cool

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ways to re-approach positions and like

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re-enter that in the pit versus flat ground

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versus the cage um but so

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that was that was eye-opening i was like all right cool like

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there's i can use this pretty well here so

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for you know better or worse going into the second

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match the second match um i got

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five minutes off kind of did a quick download like guys like

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dude i think you just needed uh james just like i think you just need a

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little like twist or rotation to finish the

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sub so i i kind of feel i kind of felt

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what he was getting at there that like okay i probably should have committed

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more towards taking the back for the finish than like staying kind of like i

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had the i had the hooks but i was kind of i only had one chest on the back on

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his back versus like both sides of my chest one peck.

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Um so like i think if i just got a little more rotation um

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but it was one of those things where it's like all

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right like what do you give up what do you hold on to this

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is like we were talking about earlier you know like what what

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is i know what you mean what is the worth what where is like do i think i can

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finish this do i and you know then at some point it's like i just have to like

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move on yeah um but so second match comes around and this guy the intel i had

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i knew he had some wrestling background. Um, um,

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had some intel to like, you know, he's a 50, 50 guy. He does,

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or not 50, 50, 10 planet guy likes leg locks, but he also, you know,

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it's a lot of like flashy submission attempts from the, from the bottom kind

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of knew what to look out for.

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Um, but one thing I didn't think about was we get in there and I'm actually

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pretty good at wrestling off my heels.

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Um, that's partially from um like greco-romans

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training stuff like that like i'm very i'm very

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comfortable with like i'm arm drag stuff

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like that so i don't mind wrestling off my heels and i

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also have pretty decent like cage wrestling from mma

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but i didn't think about the fact that it's that's

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how different that is than the pit like

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that there's a difference in how you can

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pressure against the pit to like to wrestle

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like let me ask wrestling off of it let me ask you a question on

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that um do you think it's because of the slope oh yeah

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so i can keep like i mean you can't walk off of a cage you

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kind of can but like there's no like incline that allows you to keep pretty

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sure footing like a pit you can like you can like dig your feet into like that

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that sloped surface actually the opposite really so with the cage you can press

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off the floor into the cage right to like to like bounce You can keep yourself up, too.

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I see what you're saying. So, like, you can use the cage to,

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like, defend the takedown, whereas with the slope, like, before you hit the pit wall...

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Like you're, you're like, you become light on your legs when you're,

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by the time your, your back hits the wall.

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I get it. So like, I think, I think if you like get your feet on the wall too.

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It creates a different scenario.

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Like if you can put your feet back under you against the wall,

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it's something I'm going to have to experiment with.

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Uh, but I think there are ways to keep your legs heavy.

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But so essentially the guy he trains he

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trains trained in the pit daily trains in a

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pit daily has access to that and knew that

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like oh well i'll just back him up towards the wall

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and when he gets close i'll give him just enough push to like get him

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against it he had a good strategy for yeah he had a really good strategy

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good knowledge of the of the terrain right like

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knew how to play that and jesus not

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like you now what how about well maybe you need to have more

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knowledge of the terrain here dude yeah crazy arms

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uh but so uh you know a good

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knowledge of how to use the space and like you know

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just nullified the wrestling game like just basically it was like oh well push

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pushed me up against the wall and second my once i leaned up against it just

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kind of like not even like a not even really a takedown it's just like a just

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pulled my legs down. Right. Like just kind of popped me, sat me down.

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Um, and I was like, Oh, well shit, that wasn't what I thought was going to happen.

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Uh, but like immediately got into my, um, got into half guard knee shield.

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He was trying to be, he was being, trying to be heavy on the head.

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His top pressure wasn't like smothering. So I wasn't really worried about it.

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Um, like it wasn't, it wasn't stopping me. He wasn't getting my,

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wasn't like flattening me out.

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He was trying to like be super head heavy, but it was, that wasn't really,

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it wasn't stopping my ability to progress. I got built, was able to build up and wrestle up.

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Um, but then another reentry of like use of the pit wall as we come up,

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he's a, it stops because we're in the corner.

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So, which by the way, found out, don't go in the corner of the pit, terrible place to be.

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Don't want to be there. He probably knew that too, which he also probably knew.

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He was like, yo, like this is where I want to put this guy. Um,

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when you start off, don't angle your bodies towards the corner,

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go towards the flat walls at least because like you have a lot more ability to work out of it.

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Um, because what happened when I wrestled up was as I came up one,

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because it put him against the wall.

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I couldn't flatten him out to finish really finish

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the wrestle up and like pin him and because of that one it stops the progress

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of turning him down but because I'm not against the wall I'm able to still turn

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and so my head drops right into the guillotine and because he's not flat.

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He's already over top of my neck. And so like basically just wrestled right

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up into a guillotine, um, which afterwards he was like, dude,

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like I was super worried about that guillotine.

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And like, he's like, I'm just really worried about that wrestle up because if

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I got around that leg, like I, now I'm on top.

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And, um, I, you know, he probably saw some of my other, he's seen match footed, whatever.

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But like, I, I, I feel like going back to the last episode,

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i feel like if i had gotten around those legs it was

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probably a completely different story right um just because

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like i didn't feel like there's a lot of pressure from him on

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top um and i just know that i can i can cook from the top um like it's a that

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is a very like if i get around that guard it's uh that's my game we're in my

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world easy peasy for me easy pickings um Um.

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But so it was another like scenario where like just use of that,

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of like just how the pit changes and whether or not, I don't know if he like

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specifically was like, oh, I'm just going to, you know, wedge myself in here

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and he's going to rotate through.

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I don't know about that, but like, he probably knows, Hey, if we're in this

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place, I'm in a relatively safe spot. Right.

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Like I imagine there's some of that, um, it's probably safe to assume with his

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awareness of how to use the pit, he's very situationally aware.

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Yeah. like this that that terrain as

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you said yeah so you know he probably at least knew that the

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risk is lower whether or not like he was

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like oh he's gonna wrestle up it's just he's just gonna fall into

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a guillotine i don't know if like how if that's that

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was like oh this is my game plan um maybe i

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don't know but he probably knew he i think in a post fight

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he was like oh well you know i knew once i have those

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once i have the head i'm in a pretty safe spot

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like i'm in a pretty good spot for me how much

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of that is talking for the camera i don't know but you know i imagine

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there's a truth to that too that like he knows he had

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head control he probably felt pretty good considering we're

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wedged in the corner all of that so like you know awareness wise

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definitely like and you know shout out to him like he knew where he knew where

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he was he knew what to he kind of knew how he wanted to approach the the terrain

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and the rule set it was it was good um And so takeaways from that was how the

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terrain there, you know,

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your arena, so to say changes the sport and like,

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should the pit be the future of the sport?

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I kind of think so, dude. Like, I think, um, I think that.

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The way that like the verticality and like the addition of like creating that

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like 3d space, if you want to call it that, right?

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Like, I mean, obviously we're like in three dimensional beings, but whatever.

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Uh, but you know, like that, that creation of like a, of like a 3d matte space

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where like, you don't just, you can't go out of bounds also.

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Like, I think that it changes the game in a good way. I think the NGA pits a little small.

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Um, I think it should be a little bit bigger.

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It's not like tiny, but like there's definitely like it's confined.

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It's a couple steps, right?

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I mean, you've seen it. Like it's, it's definitely a pretty small space.

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So it's a little bit different than some of the other, uh, other pit.

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Like other formats that use the pit.

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Um, but I think is like a tool, like as a, as a like factor of the game,

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I think it's pretty, I think it's really good.

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Like, I think it, it creates a different things to think about.

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I think it's better than the cage, uh, despite it not playing as well for me,

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but we're going to change that because we're going to practice in the pit.

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Um, but I think it does, it changes, it changes the game of jujitsu a lot because

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it does alter both standing and the ground game.

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And I think it does improve it because it does require you to think about where

00:22:12.549 --> 00:22:17.969
you're positioned, you know, cause like IBJJF, it doesn't matter if I'm in the

00:22:17.969 --> 00:22:19.449
edge of the mat or the center of the mat.

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With the exception of the ref calling it out of balance, it doesn't change how

00:22:24.703 --> 00:22:27.883
I can move or what I can play.

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It's better than a flat wall because I can use it from the top or the bottom

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in ways to reverse and create new ways to enter and wedge people and turn them.

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I think it adds a lot of dynamic movement to the game.

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And I think that even in scenarios where there's decision and like,

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and this is one where I know I said that I think the NGA pit small,

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but I think the CGI pit is too big.

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Like we saw that where like, there wasn't a lot of use of the pit because you

00:23:03.023 --> 00:23:06.483
can, they can easily not go to the edge.

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Um in fact a lot of the matches didn't

00:23:09.623 --> 00:23:12.403
use it uh and so

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like i think there's it creates a lot

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of dynamic action and in

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even in scenarios where there isn't submission it increases

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pace if you're kind of like required to

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if there's places where when you get to it you have to change how you move because

00:23:31.523 --> 00:23:36.203
now like oh shit i hit a wall how do i like i can't go that way anymore how

00:23:36.203 --> 00:23:40.463
do i change this position so i can go in a direction that advances my position

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and so just creates more it can create more scramble it or at least appearance of scramble and like.

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Moments of change of pace so it increases like

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action and watchability i

00:23:53.945 --> 00:23:56.905
guess is another aspect to it because like how much

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time are you watching you're watching a match and like uh they

00:24:01.045 --> 00:24:03.845
action stop everybody move back

00:24:03.845 --> 00:24:06.585
to the middle we're gonna rebuild the position all right

00:24:06.585 --> 00:24:10.425
ready set go go again and like it

00:24:10.425 --> 00:24:14.105
makes it hard to watch but the

00:24:14.105 --> 00:24:21.465
the way that the of pit format works i think it makes it easier to watch because

00:24:21.465 --> 00:24:27.985
there's not breaking action there's no stopping to like reset um and so you

00:24:27.985 --> 00:24:31.565
get like more there's more mobility there's,

00:24:32.305 --> 00:24:37.005
moments of creativity that that can occur that you won't see in other mat like

00:24:37.005 --> 00:24:42.365
other formats or other in like a flat mat so um i i thought it was really cool

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um i mean you've seen you've watched a few of them i don't know if you have

00:24:46.225 --> 00:24:48.425
takes well i was actually gonna ask you like,

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question for you too i have i i i love

00:24:51.845 --> 00:24:55.165
the like you said i think there's definitely a

00:24:55.165 --> 00:24:58.105
future for the pits seems like more and more people are using

00:24:58.105 --> 00:25:03.085
it um and it's exciting to watch you're right the nga one does seem a little

00:25:03.085 --> 00:25:07.745
bit tight but i think they're doing a good job of trying something different

00:25:07.745 --> 00:25:12.645
and it's uh we've talked about so many times i mean i mean the highlight reel

00:25:12.645 --> 00:25:15.585
moment of the tag team match, and that was fucking awesome.

00:25:16.565 --> 00:25:19.285
I think it does, there's probably room for improvement for sure,

00:25:19.405 --> 00:25:21.805
but it's, and maybe it is widening it out a little bit, but like you said,

00:25:21.885 --> 00:25:24.925
not too much, because it does force that exciting action.

00:25:26.525 --> 00:25:30.525
That the sport of jiu-jitsu needs, if they want to create bigger,

00:25:30.765 --> 00:25:32.765
excuse me, bigger exposure and more eyes,

00:25:33.625 --> 00:25:36.065
it brings an intensity that I like.

00:25:36.445 --> 00:25:41.565
But anyways, dude, I'm curious to know, knowing what you know now,

00:25:41.565 --> 00:25:44.365
Imagine you were coaching, take a step like outside of your body.

00:25:44.525 --> 00:25:47.665
If you were coaching yourself or coaching someone who plays like you,

00:25:48.505 --> 00:25:49.845
I mean, you could pick either one of your opponents.

00:25:50.045 --> 00:25:53.465
Maybe it's the second guy because that's, you know, it's inspiring more of a

00:25:53.465 --> 00:25:56.505
problem solving thought process for you.

00:25:56.585 --> 00:26:01.105
But like, Hey, like looking back, what would you coach a person to do differently?

00:26:02.040 --> 00:26:06.000
Um under like in primarily leveraging the pit but it could be whatever but like

00:26:06.000 --> 00:26:10.820
if that's kind of the main differentiator for a new oh like new stimuli like

00:26:10.820 --> 00:26:14.540
what what are these new data inputs like what's your thought on that i think

00:26:14.540 --> 00:26:16.840
i would have i think i'd coach myself i would have,

00:26:17.300 --> 00:26:20.200
specifically if it was me in that scenario i probably would

00:26:20.200 --> 00:26:23.980
have told myself to uh to

00:26:23.980 --> 00:26:28.260
just play a tighter game like go for more like not it doesn't even have to be

00:26:28.260 --> 00:26:34.640
like forward pressure but like just just go in like get get in close play the

00:26:34.640 --> 00:26:40.500
close game for the wrestling rather than a distance game um you know get don't

00:26:40.500 --> 00:26:42.860
be on your i think being on your heels in the pit,

00:26:43.520 --> 00:26:48.660
is not beneficial i shoot well off it because i can shoot off my back i can

00:26:48.660 --> 00:26:53.340
wrestle well that way because i can shoot off my back foot like i can shoot

00:26:53.340 --> 00:26:56.180
i can shoot either way so like I can shoot off my back foot.

00:26:56.400 --> 00:27:00.360
So walking backwards doesn't take away my ability to wrestle.

00:27:01.340 --> 00:27:06.460
But when you're in a confined space like that, you don't have room to go backwards.

00:27:06.940 --> 00:27:11.140
Going backwards is ultimately going to be a losing strategy is what I think

00:27:11.140 --> 00:27:14.280
in, in that format. That's a big one, man.

00:27:14.540 --> 00:27:17.640
Um, so I think I would have, I would have been telling myself,

00:27:17.820 --> 00:27:22.840
Hey, we're going to go forward pressure or circle, but either way we need to be walking forward.

00:27:22.840 --> 00:27:25.540
Even if even if it is hey we're going

00:27:25.540 --> 00:27:28.720
to circle to with our toe to our toes versus circle

00:27:28.720 --> 00:27:31.400
to our heels because if we're circling towards our heels we're going

00:27:31.400 --> 00:27:35.020
to go backwards um which super that's

00:27:35.020 --> 00:27:38.940
like super minutiae circling on your toes versus heels if you don't understand

00:27:38.940 --> 00:27:43.560
that sorry just mean like we're circling in a forward direction versus like

00:27:43.560 --> 00:27:47.940
pulling them we're pushing them um but so i think i would have been telling

00:27:47.940 --> 00:27:52.580
myself to hey we're gonna we want forward pressure want driving in,

00:27:52.700 --> 00:27:54.760
even if it means we're just going to stay in place, right?

00:27:54.940 --> 00:27:58.380
Like, even if it means that both of us are staying where we started,

00:27:58.380 --> 00:28:00.500
I want to be moving forward.

00:28:01.212 --> 00:28:06.392
Um, so that I am not going backwards, staying in, staying in position in the

00:28:06.392 --> 00:28:08.572
middle is going to ultimately be better on your feet.

00:28:09.552 --> 00:28:14.492
Um, so I think that would have been one, I think also on the wrestle up.

00:28:14.652 --> 00:28:19.592
So given, you know, Hey, we ended up in the same position coming up on the wrestle up.

00:28:19.832 --> 00:28:24.072
I probably would have also, rather than wrestling up and in,

00:28:24.272 --> 00:28:28.232
I would have gone contra considering to what I did.

00:28:28.232 --> 00:28:31.412
I would have wanted to pull back. so wrestle

00:28:31.412 --> 00:28:34.232
and suck him back rather than trying to wrestle and drive

00:28:34.232 --> 00:28:37.712
him forward um because of

00:28:37.712 --> 00:28:40.832
the position of the wall driving in

00:28:40.832 --> 00:28:43.672
it puts him straight up against it i think so you

00:28:43.672 --> 00:28:47.752
can create some elevation yeah if i could like bring his hips into me rather

00:28:47.752 --> 00:28:51.772
than bringing my hips into him so like to complete the to complete the wrestle

00:28:51.772 --> 00:28:57.252
up like to complete the sweep i think if i had because then I could have brought

00:28:57.252 --> 00:29:01.792
my head outside because I wrestled up and in my head stayed inside.

00:29:02.112 --> 00:29:05.672
So I was head across like a single leg. I basically put myself into a single

00:29:05.672 --> 00:29:09.892
leg, but if I sucked him back, we would have ended up in like a body lock position.

00:29:10.412 --> 00:29:13.272
Just the way that everything could have worked out.

00:29:13.372 --> 00:29:16.552
So I should have wrestled up and sucked him back,

00:29:16.752 --> 00:29:19.612
pulled him back versus wrestling up

00:29:19.612 --> 00:29:23.712
and driving in because wrestling up and driving in stopped

00:29:23.712 --> 00:29:26.452
that stopped motion it put him in

00:29:26.452 --> 00:29:29.312
a seated position had me in a position where

00:29:29.312 --> 00:29:32.412
my head was forward he was seated over top of it essentially

00:29:32.412 --> 00:29:35.692
so i think um i would have i

00:29:35.692 --> 00:29:39.992
would have told myself to wrestle away from the wall first like wrestled up

00:29:39.992 --> 00:29:46.692
and away from the wall so circle out and back versus up and in because up and

00:29:46.692 --> 00:29:53.552
in put us into a position where um i could not flatten him out um so like if

00:29:53.552 --> 00:29:55.452
that's at least that's my assumption.

00:29:56.012 --> 00:29:58.732
From what i believe that bird's eye view

00:29:58.732 --> 00:30:03.832
looks like yep um there's there was an issue with the streams i can't get like

00:30:03.832 --> 00:30:08.972
the footage to really break it down like see but um that's what it kind of felt

00:30:08.972 --> 00:30:14.712
like happened like as i came up it wedged so um i think as you're trying to

00:30:14.712 --> 00:30:18.152
get out you want to get away from the wall, um.

00:30:19.152 --> 00:30:24.552
Like your body away from the wall so that you can then re-engage and push them back into it.

00:30:24.552 --> 00:30:28.612
But I think if you're trying to, if you're trying to come out and, um.

00:30:29.263 --> 00:30:34.083
You're keeping the pressure into the wall. It stops so much momentum that you,

00:30:34.103 --> 00:30:36.603
you don't complete your move, right?

00:30:36.683 --> 00:30:40.323
Like you don't actually, I wasn't able to actually get out.

00:30:40.503 --> 00:30:45.763
So I think if I was able to go away in this scenario, it would have,

00:30:45.903 --> 00:30:47.603
it would have protected my neck,

00:30:47.903 --> 00:30:51.443
kept me out of that position to where him getting wedged

00:30:51.443 --> 00:30:54.163
in wasn't going to also cause me to end

00:30:54.163 --> 00:30:57.863
up in a bad position got it um other things

00:30:57.863 --> 00:31:01.263
would be um so i

00:31:01.263 --> 00:31:04.143
mean basically your safest spot is

00:31:04.143 --> 00:31:07.563
in the middle of the pit because there isn't at

00:31:07.563 --> 00:31:11.083
least for like protecting your motion

00:31:11.083 --> 00:31:14.143
and then once you have control you want

00:31:14.143 --> 00:31:16.943
to wedge them into the you want to take away their

00:31:16.943 --> 00:31:19.643
ability to go in a direction so like if you can

00:31:19.643 --> 00:31:22.783
put wedge them into that like corner specifically the

00:31:22.783 --> 00:31:25.663
corner being stuck in the corner is the worst place

00:31:25.663 --> 00:31:29.263
because there's you're blocked on like three sides

00:31:29.263 --> 00:31:32.123
essentially um because like you can't

00:31:32.123 --> 00:31:37.503
go can't go north you can't go south you can't go sideways so that seems to

00:31:37.503 --> 00:31:43.103
be the place you want to put somebody and being against a flat like against

00:31:43.103 --> 00:31:49.803
the border wall like just the flat wall seems to be less bad and can kind of go either way.

00:31:50.183 --> 00:31:55.263
So like, depending on what this scenario is. Um, so yeah, I think I would have,

00:31:55.423 --> 00:31:57.603
you know, forward pressure on the feet.

00:31:57.623 --> 00:32:00.843
I think that would have changed a lot because then we would have actually had

00:32:00.843 --> 00:32:01.823
some wrestling exchange.

00:32:02.263 --> 00:32:09.183
Um, I think that ultimately in a wrestling exchange, I'm more likely to win,

00:32:09.683 --> 00:32:12.403
than, you know, not in a wrestling exchange.

00:32:13.143 --> 00:32:16.443
And that also would have given me more opportunity to not be on the bottom,

00:32:16.723 --> 00:32:21.123
not have to be wrestling back up, not having to reestablish position,

00:32:21.123 --> 00:32:25.463
which then creates more scenarios for them to be on the attack,

00:32:25.603 --> 00:32:27.563
right? Like once you're on defense, you're on defense.

00:32:29.123 --> 00:32:32.363
So, whereas I do better on offense, like a lot of people.

00:32:33.303 --> 00:32:36.243
So I would say that would be kind

00:32:36.243 --> 00:32:39.323
of like the the in moment advice

00:32:39.323 --> 00:32:42.343
i would be giving myself like hey let's hand fight closer let's

00:32:42.343 --> 00:32:47.163
drive in let's let's be the aggressor here so we just got to get our hands on

00:32:47.163 --> 00:32:53.823
the pit now yeah we get a pit wall at least just like one corner like even just

00:32:53.823 --> 00:32:58.243
a corner section would be could make a huge difference for anyone who wants

00:32:58.243 --> 00:33:00.583
to do that like compete in the pit so yeah,

00:33:01.168 --> 00:33:04.388
Um, all right. But other, what other takes do you have?

00:33:04.608 --> 00:33:11.488
Do you, or any ideas or questions regarding the pit or ideas about how the,

00:33:12.448 --> 00:33:13.768
how terrain and jujitsu?

00:33:14.528 --> 00:33:17.808
Well, it, it, it makes a huge difference. Yeah. Like you said,

00:33:18.308 --> 00:33:22.728
um, I mean, the biggest thing being like, there are no resets unless you've

00:33:22.728 --> 00:33:26.048
somehow climb out of the pit, but I think that's a disqualification.

00:33:26.228 --> 00:33:28.708
Oh, well, there you go. That's at least it should be. That's the ultimate reason.

00:33:29.088 --> 00:33:30.368
Sling the ring. Yeah. Agreed.

00:33:31.608 --> 00:33:35.828
Um yeah dude it's um i mean i haven't competed in a pit yet i've watched and,

00:33:36.308 --> 00:33:39.668
coached in the pit a couple times um but i've

00:33:39.668 --> 00:33:42.508
i've seen now like a couple dozen matches going to these nga

00:33:42.508 --> 00:33:45.128
events live watching cgi's and

00:33:45.128 --> 00:33:47.868
stuff like that and i think the ufc is now using a pit too yeah they're

00:33:47.868 --> 00:33:50.848
using like that bowl circular kind of thing um which

00:33:50.848 --> 00:33:53.748
is different there aren't there aren't corners i don't think but yeah that's a that's

00:33:53.748 --> 00:33:57.428
a very like i i imagine that is probably because

00:33:57.428 --> 00:34:00.828
it's kind of like ergonomic right like ergonomic i know

00:34:00.828 --> 00:34:03.568
what you mean it's rounded yeah it's rounded like you kind of like oh

00:34:03.568 --> 00:34:06.468
no it's less of a it's not really like a slope i

00:34:06.468 --> 00:34:09.988
don't know it's more wall like yeah well either

00:34:09.988 --> 00:34:15.608
way a lot of people are doing this and yeah dude i mean it's it's it's noticeable

00:34:15.608 --> 00:34:20.628
the i was saying the word intensity insofar as like the close quarters nature

00:34:20.628 --> 00:34:27.628
of everything um has a major impact and um i mean like it's it's,

00:34:29.368 --> 00:34:35.968
with limited access with no access to like using it i have no experience um.

00:34:39.101 --> 00:34:42.661
Applying jujitsu, wrestling, whatever, applying any grappling in that environment

00:34:42.661 --> 00:34:46.781
with my hands on it. And that's in a lot of ways how I like to learn.

00:34:47.061 --> 00:34:51.881
So I, you know, my, my takeaways are, are that, like you said,

00:34:51.961 --> 00:34:58.421
like you've, I mean, if you're not aware of how to use that environment,

00:34:59.201 --> 00:35:04.321
if you're there, like, don't let it be used against you. That's not easy to, that's easy to say.

00:35:04.501 --> 00:35:08.201
It's not easy to do if you don't have that, that awareness. So with that being

00:35:08.201 --> 00:35:12.621
said, like the one thing that we do know is that there's this urgency to create

00:35:12.621 --> 00:35:15.281
action, ideally on the best terms possible.

00:35:15.861 --> 00:35:20.221
So it's like, if you don't know how to use the terrain, use the urgency of action

00:35:20.221 --> 00:35:24.821
to initiate and like keep pressing, keep improving as much as possible.

00:35:24.821 --> 00:35:30.481
So I recall the match that Knack had in the trio when it was him,

00:35:30.601 --> 00:35:34.041
Tim, and Colton a couple months back.

00:35:34.321 --> 00:35:39.321
And Knack took out two of the three opponents that they had back-to-back-to-back in the third one.

00:35:39.541 --> 00:35:43.201
He was saying that in all of the matches it was relevant, but he found a way

00:35:43.201 --> 00:35:44.161
to submit the first two opponents.

00:35:44.261 --> 00:35:47.621
The third one, he vocalized what you said,

00:35:47.701 --> 00:35:51.201
which was that I was on top and I was having a hard time controlling and isolating limbs,

00:35:51.201 --> 00:35:54.801
isolating my attacks the way i would on a flat surface which

00:35:54.801 --> 00:35:58.561
is why he couldn't pull off the submission the third match um

00:35:58.561 --> 00:36:01.301
and so like i

00:36:01.301 --> 00:36:04.101
i mean i think that's it's this is art of war i have the book somewhere in

00:36:04.101 --> 00:36:07.421
my on my on this table right here it's over there somewhere i

00:36:07.421 --> 00:36:10.841
mean understanding that terrain dude it's really important um i

00:36:10.841 --> 00:36:13.621
see tides of war yeah yeah yeah i mean there's probably

00:36:13.621 --> 00:36:16.361
elements of that in tides of war that's a book about a i think

00:36:16.361 --> 00:36:19.141
it's over here it's it's right there i can see it oh you see it yeah

00:36:19.141 --> 00:36:21.961
yeah it's over there guys it's over here guys don't worry i

00:36:21.961 --> 00:36:25.421
actually have it but uh yeah that's that's one

00:36:25.421 --> 00:36:28.221
of the first principles for this purpose it's like

00:36:28.221 --> 00:36:31.421
sort of i mean maneuvering is another.

00:36:31.421 --> 00:36:34.341
Art of war another tactic another strategy of the art of war like it's

00:36:34.341 --> 00:36:37.141
it's directly impacted by what what your feet are

00:36:37.141 --> 00:36:40.081
are standing on what your dudes feet

00:36:40.081 --> 00:36:43.221
are standing on um because your maneuvering

00:36:43.221 --> 00:36:46.081
will be limited by the terrain that you're on that's what we've

00:36:46.081 --> 00:36:49.461
basically just talked about for the last like 40 minutes or so yeah um

00:36:49.461 --> 00:36:53.101
it's it's a huge game changer so um

00:36:53.101 --> 00:36:55.801
i would love to find a way for us

00:36:55.801 --> 00:36:58.741
to get in on some pit training somewhere it'd be cool it

00:36:58.741 --> 00:37:01.861
looks fun everyone who's everyone who does it seems like they're having like a good time like

00:37:01.861 --> 00:37:04.521
you sound like you sounds like you want to do it again oh yeah i mean i'm gonna

00:37:04.521 --> 00:37:07.601
be doing it again in november there you go i've got

00:37:07.601 --> 00:37:10.641
i've got that lined up and dude i'm actually gonna do some of the tag teams so

00:37:10.641 --> 00:37:13.981
that'll be fun hell yeah i want to get some real chaos going yeah

00:37:13.981 --> 00:37:16.981
november is my fun month for competitions i've all

00:37:16.981 --> 00:37:22.421
you like you like chaos and i i thrive whether or not it's gonna be provided

00:37:22.421 --> 00:37:25.981
for you i have a feeling you'll create some which is going to be even better

00:37:25.981 --> 00:37:29.481
so yeah but dude in the meantime let's see if we can't find a place to get you

00:37:29.481 --> 00:37:34.381
some some pit training then yeah i we have walls at dma which we could somehow

00:37:34.381 --> 00:37:36.681
try to use something like at least to get your.

00:37:37.780 --> 00:37:40.660
I don't know. I think you're back limited, but in like that,

00:37:40.820 --> 00:37:44.700
if you're facing that back right corner, I think that would be a good spot for it.

00:37:44.800 --> 00:37:46.460
Cause it's kind of, how would we do it? Like, what would we,

00:37:46.520 --> 00:37:49.780
we'd have to get like a wedge to build something that we could literally fit, slide into that corner.

00:37:49.960 --> 00:37:54.020
You have to build the, you have to build an incline of some capacity. Yeah. Got it.

00:37:54.560 --> 00:37:59.640
Um, open to ideas, but, um, and yeah, that build it. If you have extra mat,

00:37:59.860 --> 00:38:01.520
like, which I think you have extra sections, right?

00:38:01.960 --> 00:38:06.480
We do somewhere. So it's just like a, it's basically just a 90 degree.

00:38:06.720 --> 00:38:09.480
You build like a, triangle that's it it's

00:38:09.480 --> 00:38:13.440
just like a it's just a triangle frame and then there's there are ways to pull

00:38:13.440 --> 00:38:15.880
up some blueprints it's definitely doable i know what you mean a little bit

00:38:15.880 --> 00:38:22.540
of woodwork some power tools yeah uh well anyways it um yeah man i think that'd

00:38:22.540 --> 00:38:26.560
be beneficial for you like get you get you some opportunities to play in that

00:38:26.560 --> 00:38:29.260
yeah it'd be uh we're talking about uh

00:38:29.660 --> 00:38:32.340
we're talking about professor doesn't know we're talking about this but the

00:38:32.340 --> 00:38:36.200
coaches have been talking about just building one we

00:38:36.200 --> 00:38:39.720
it comes up every like every other week about building

00:38:39.720 --> 00:38:42.700
a pit wall in the in the coach chat over at

00:38:42.700 --> 00:38:45.500
battlefield uh build it it's fun if you

00:38:45.500 --> 00:38:48.400
build it they will come oh it'll happen um but yeah

00:38:48.400 --> 00:38:51.100
so something else and i

00:38:51.100 --> 00:38:54.920
think the confinement too

00:38:54.920 --> 00:38:58.680
definitely it definitely

00:38:58.680 --> 00:39:03.000
rewards that aggression because whoever

00:39:03.000 --> 00:39:05.840
with it being such a small space in the

00:39:05.840 --> 00:39:13.780
pit for NGA it it rewards whoever initiates whoever is the more aggressive with

00:39:13.780 --> 00:39:20.880
forward like forward going forward is more likely and I bet you if we like bet

00:39:20.880 --> 00:39:24.940
you could pull up like create like a scatter plot or something of like.

00:39:25.718 --> 00:39:33.098
Forward aggression to victory, you could probably take every single match and whoever has the morph,

00:39:33.278 --> 00:39:40.818
whoever initiates forward action first probably wins every single time. It makes sense, man.

00:39:40.918 --> 00:39:44.398
Or at least most of the time. It's one thing you can control. Yeah.

00:39:45.438 --> 00:39:49.538
And back to what I was saying, if you don't have that data on how to use the

00:39:49.538 --> 00:39:51.938
pit, you might have to over-leverage that.

00:39:52.238 --> 00:39:56.338
It's something. It's sort of just like, all right, knowing what we know, um without

00:39:56.338 --> 00:39:59.358
a ton of hands-on experience like one thing that you can do

00:39:59.358 --> 00:40:02.298
is just drive the action like you said and uh the

00:40:02.298 --> 00:40:06.198
other thing that i saw be somewhat successful was

00:40:06.198 --> 00:40:09.238
guys that in actually

00:40:09.238 --> 00:40:12.838
a lot of the blue belt quintet like at

00:40:12.838 --> 00:40:15.958
least of the i saw like the first round and

00:40:15.958 --> 00:40:18.838
a half um there was like no

00:40:18.838 --> 00:40:22.278
like very minimal pit play really um

00:40:22.278 --> 00:40:25.818
just like yeah guys who would basically sit in

00:40:25.818 --> 00:40:28.698
the middle of the pit and initiate like they

00:40:28.698 --> 00:40:31.458
were just sitting down and waiting like they would sit in the pit and then

00:40:31.458 --> 00:40:34.938
start going so that they could basically take out the

00:40:34.938 --> 00:40:39.858
threat of the wall right like now hey i'm already on the ground i don't have

00:40:39.858 --> 00:40:43.398
to worry about getting pushed into a corner because i'm already attached to

00:40:43.398 --> 00:40:50.018
the floor um so that was like the other like i don't know in my mind non-committedly

00:40:50.018 --> 00:40:54.898
aggressive but well it's initiating action it's We're fighting right here. Yeah.

00:40:55.458 --> 00:40:59.838
Right here in the middle. Yeah. So I think that was the other guys who...

00:40:59.838 --> 00:41:01.418
Shout out the guard pulling. Yeah.

00:41:03.178 --> 00:41:06.238
I mean, if you're going to do it, it's... At least they were initiating,

00:41:06.378 --> 00:41:08.458
not waiting. It's strategic, dude.

00:41:09.498 --> 00:41:11.898
For all the reasons we're talking about here, it's those guys saying,

00:41:11.978 --> 00:41:14.918
fuck that. This is where it's going down. I get it. Yeah.

00:41:15.118 --> 00:41:18.418
I get it. We don't have to like it, but I don't dislike it either. I get it.

00:41:18.538 --> 00:41:21.918
Being like, hey, I don't want my back against the pit. We're fighting right

00:41:21.918 --> 00:41:23.418
here. We're fighting right here. Yeah.

00:41:23.578 --> 00:41:26.478
So, I mean, there's, I think that was in, you know, I think that kind of,

00:41:26.558 --> 00:41:28.898
it probably still like plays into that, like.

00:41:29.760 --> 00:41:33.960
Obviously this is confirmation bias, but into that, like, I'm initiating action,

00:41:34.580 --> 00:41:35.880
I'm the one who won, right?

00:41:35.980 --> 00:41:39.360
Like, I think it works into that, like... I could see that. Hey, I'm initiating.

00:41:39.660 --> 00:41:42.600
Versus, like, if they sat down and the person approaches, which is,

00:41:42.740 --> 00:41:46.400
in my first match, basically what happened, the guy, slap, bump,

00:41:46.500 --> 00:41:50.340
he sits, and then I enter, I'm initiating action. You can still initiate action

00:41:50.340 --> 00:41:50.980
with those circumstances.

00:41:51.340 --> 00:41:56.180
I have, he sat down, he might have wrote the rules of,

00:41:56.320 --> 00:41:59.020
like, here's where we're engaging, but i the one

00:41:59.020 --> 00:42:02.080
who you took back my my right of initiation

00:42:02.080 --> 00:42:05.820
that's right from this morning that's right writ of initiation uh

00:42:05.820 --> 00:42:09.420
but so uh we're very

00:42:09.420 --> 00:42:15.020
old timey very uh medieval language yeah um but so you know like i i think that

00:42:15.020 --> 00:42:22.840
i think that definitely also plays into creating like altering the rule set

00:42:22.840 --> 00:42:27.160
in a way that whoever initiates and attacks,

00:42:27.200 --> 00:42:30.240
which I guess probably works for most jiu-jitsu, right?

00:42:30.340 --> 00:42:36.240
The guy who puts the match on the ground is the one who normally wins, right?

00:42:36.500 --> 00:42:39.320
Dude, maintaining the initiative, this is another art of war thing.

00:42:39.440 --> 00:42:41.420
Yeah, you got to dictate the fight.

00:42:42.080 --> 00:42:48.000
Initiative, it's a concept in combat, dude. Whoever is the step ahead wins.

00:42:48.420 --> 00:42:51.420
But I think it amplifies it in the pit.

00:42:51.700 --> 00:42:58.260
So I think the pit amplifies that factor more than flat ground because there is.

00:42:58.800 --> 00:43:02.300
There's a limitation for where the action can take place. So it's like it's happened.

00:43:03.060 --> 00:43:04.820
Like you said, it's the first guy to initiate.

00:43:05.680 --> 00:43:09.040
That has many variations, but it's...

00:43:10.036 --> 00:43:13.776
There's no stalling out the initiation due to the limit. Like you can't go anywhere.

00:43:14.316 --> 00:43:17.096
Yeah. And like you have to initiate. Yeah. Yeah. And so like,

00:43:17.196 --> 00:43:21.396
there is no, Hey, I'm just gonna, I'm just gonna walk away from your attempts

00:43:21.396 --> 00:43:23.296
because you can't walk away.

00:43:23.456 --> 00:43:25.676
You can't go out of bounds. You can't get pushed out of bounds.

00:43:25.936 --> 00:43:28.716
So, um, it just amplifies that

00:43:28.716 --> 00:43:34.136
factor. And so like it, it speeds up the process of getting to the match.

00:43:34.296 --> 00:43:38.396
Right. Cause how many, how many matches do you see where it's just guys,

00:43:38.396 --> 00:43:43.716
is just patty cake it on their feet because nobody wants to go for the first,

00:43:43.716 --> 00:43:47.816
the first move and screw up and lose.

00:43:47.956 --> 00:43:52.116
Right. Like, so you get these two masters of these guys who maybe they're not

00:43:52.116 --> 00:43:56.976
like super sure in their ability to wrestle or be on their feet,

00:43:56.976 --> 00:44:01.356
but they also don't want to guard pull because of whatever they know about the other guy, right.

00:44:01.516 --> 00:44:04.516
Or their lack of confidence and their ability to

00:44:04.516 --> 00:44:07.296
fight from there and so you get these

00:44:07.296 --> 00:44:10.336
guys that aren't quite sure what to where

00:44:10.336 --> 00:44:13.256
to initiate um but when you take

00:44:13.256 --> 00:44:20.076
away the ability to reset in the middle it forces somebody will will ultimately

00:44:20.076 --> 00:44:25.536
get that first move because one way or another someone's ending up into into

00:44:25.536 --> 00:44:30.996
the wall or um somebody just decides i don't want to be in the wall so i'm just

00:44:30.996 --> 00:44:33.136
going to sit right here and we're going to play like that.

00:44:33.376 --> 00:44:39.216
So, um, it definitely like speeds up the process. Like a five minute round has

00:44:39.216 --> 00:44:45.016
way more action in that than a five minute round in IBJJF just because of the confinement.

00:44:45.356 --> 00:44:51.136
So, um, I think, so I guess we'll just kind of sum it up because otherwise we're in talking circles.

00:44:51.356 --> 00:44:59.056
Uh, but I think that the, I think it should be a big portion. Like I think that.

00:44:59.909 --> 00:45:03.409
I think more stuff in the pit will be popping up.

00:45:03.529 --> 00:45:08.049
And we've had, just in this area, just like NGA, a local.

00:45:08.349 --> 00:45:11.269
They've been active, man. Actually, not even locals. They're kind of regional.

00:45:11.509 --> 00:45:13.329
They've been in a few different states.

00:45:15.089 --> 00:45:17.929
But there's been a lot of demand for that.

00:45:18.629 --> 00:45:23.149
You have a lot of people building pit walls. And this is all within the last

00:45:23.149 --> 00:45:26.229
year. Within a calendar year, this has been happening.

00:45:27.569 --> 00:45:31.289
Basically cji was cji one was announced people

00:45:31.289 --> 00:45:34.049
started and they once they said hey we're gonna do this

00:45:34.049 --> 00:45:37.169
in the they got it from karate combat i think yes but i

00:45:37.169 --> 00:45:41.069
think once they kind of took it in mainstreamed

00:45:41.069 --> 00:45:44.069
it into jiu-jitsu like they took the karate combat

00:45:44.069 --> 00:45:47.349
like they did a cup i think craig jones did a few super fights

00:45:47.349 --> 00:45:50.389
there and was like i basically took that

00:45:50.389 --> 00:45:54.009
idea and was like hey we're gonna we're gonna jam this

00:45:54.009 --> 00:45:56.769
into the canon of jiu-jitsu like now

00:45:56.769 --> 00:45:59.989
this is a this is a an avenue for jiu-jitsu

00:45:59.989 --> 00:46:04.489
now and once that happened people were like oh shit let's get on this train

00:46:04.489 --> 00:46:09.289
let's start so people started putting pits in their gyms i mean heck i think

00:46:09.289 --> 00:46:14.289
10th planet frederickburg is the one that has it uh and so like they put a pit

00:46:14.289 --> 00:46:17.749
wall in a bunch of people started putting pit walls in, uh, they have a pit

00:46:17.749 --> 00:46:18.989
wall over at Vanguard too.

00:46:19.629 --> 00:46:25.329
Um, but you know, it, it immediately became like within the last.

00:46:26.303 --> 00:46:33.103
Just over a year is become a big portion or has been become a part of like training.

00:46:33.123 --> 00:46:35.983
This is what jujitsu should come and become.

00:46:36.283 --> 00:46:40.283
So like, there's definitely a big Avenue that way. And so, uh,

00:46:40.543 --> 00:46:48.203
we should, we should definitely look at that as like a future thing and start training for that.

00:46:48.343 --> 00:46:52.903
People should start to, you know, there's going to be some cool game planning, um.

00:46:53.743 --> 00:46:56.643
And not avoiding the use of it, but like figuring out

00:46:56.643 --> 00:46:59.763
creative ways to use it i think it opens up some cool jujitsu as

00:46:59.763 --> 00:47:03.003
well just like interesting new avenues

00:47:03.003 --> 00:47:05.923
and um you know

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there's there could be some cool evolution to the game that

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might not have been possible without creating that new

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like hey we're adding verticality to this

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we're adding this new confinement to the game new constraints

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if you want to do some you know talking eco cla

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but like you know any sort of adjustment or

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um confinement constraint constraining

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of the rules or uh changing of the rules uh

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i think it's just good i think it's just a good way to grow the sport

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because otherwise it's just how many different ways

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can we entangle legs and you

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know there's it changes like what

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the metas and what people are developing versus

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just like oh well i do this ankle lock

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a little bit differently and now it's this new ankle lock right

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like think that just creates more interesting things

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and opens up new avenues for people um outside of

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you know just everyone versus people who like

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a specific game like it doesn't have to be leg

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locks it can be these other things because now we have a

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new realm of the sport that takes place

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so i got it anything to hear no i.

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Love it all right i talked a lot this is uh this is

00:48:21.083 --> 00:48:24.183
your fight recap yeah uh this that was a little fight recap you

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know that was a small portion of it and then just some like dogmatic discussion

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regarding the pit and how i think it should be the future oh pit crew um so

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you know just some uh some discussion on the pit future how how we think that.

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Can move the sport forward. I think in kind of the merits of it.

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Um, and versus like the traditional way that we both, we train and consume jujitsu, I guess.

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