Quintet Chaos: Sub Controversies, UFC Deals & Australasia’s Dark Horse (Episode 27)

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Welcome back to Fighters Drinking Coffee.

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Today, we're going to talk about a bunch of stuff. A bunch of stuff.

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CJI is fresh on the mind. We had some stuff going on.

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We are recording Sunday, so we will be referring to the things that have happened

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on the first day of CJI, but some stuff went down that kind of brings up some questions.

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And about just kind of, there's some stuff within jujitsu that a little bit

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of controversy, a little bit of, um,

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some rumblings in within the community, just around this event,

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uh, that I think are probably worth discussing.

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Some of the kind of already touched on in a previous episode,

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something we alluded to in a previous episode.

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Uh, some, I have some reactions as well.

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Reactions. to the Mighty cast because they touched on a lot of stuff or they,

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discussed a lot of things that we were talking about on a previous episode as well.

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When we were discussing exclusivity contracts and things like that.

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So they, Mikey and Craig Jones, both were talking about their takes on exclusive contracts,

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um benefits downfalls um and a lot of it actually kind of it gives shed some

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new light on the conversation we were having about it so i think it's worth

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discussing i know you said you hadn't listened to the whole thing why don't

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you summarize what happened i'll get to that um but so.

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They met up on demetrius johnson's podcast the mighty cast and uh they had a

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little bit of debate Craig Jones was trying to get Mikey drunk,

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make him vulnerable, as he said.

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So first, on that, every time that Mikey interrupted, he had to do a shot of tequila.

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I like that. He only did three. He actually did a pretty good job.

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Did three shots? He did like three shots throughout the episode.

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All right. It was like almost two hours long though, so not too bad.

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I mean- It's a lot for him. He's a little guy.

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Yeah, I don't know how often that little fella drinks though.

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He might not be a big drinker. True.

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Probably not. Didn't seem like it. He was a clean cut kid, like eats his pasta.

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It was 10 a.m. apparently. Nuh-uh. Sick.

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All right. That sounds kind of fun. So respect. Yeah, respect.

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This is what Dimitri wanted when he was here apparently.

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Just kidding, Dimitri. We know you were. He's more of a whiskey guy.

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You want to do whiskey and you want it to be at a reasonable hour, not at 10 a.m.,

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I'm not going to build some image of degeneracy around him, which do check out

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Copa because that will be on Saturday.

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But yeah, so the big thing, the big point of the discussion was exclusivity

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contracts because it affected a lot of this year's CGI.

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And so this is a it's actually a pretty

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good lead-in point for the remain for the rest of it because there's

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talent that is coming

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from one there's talent that's coming from who's number

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one uh and you know other organizations that

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actually do have exclusivity but they're allowing

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because they're allowing their uh athletes

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to compete in cji because they know that cji is not a it's not a competitor

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right like it's it is a one it's a one-off event so they're they are acknowledging

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that hey this is a one-off event this is a good opportunity for creating these,

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matchups that otherwise won't happen because with

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the nature of their contracts uh it

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allows people to see the matchups that or gives

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people the potential to see matchups they want to see right um and

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craig alluded to there having been the potential for that initially from the

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ufc with the everything that's being built there for ufc bjj he also alluded to some.

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To them not actually wanting to grow the sport just to make money off the sport

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and not really caring about the sport, which, you know, whatever,

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it's a business. Makes sense.

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Because he originally was in discussions to run. That might be a hostile take.

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There's a little bit, yeah.

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I find it hard to believe that someone would, you can't like.

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I mean, you have to grow the sport to also make money. Growth and money are related.

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Well, I guess. I get there may be a little bit of bad blood there,

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but it's. They're not, I guess he was trying to say that they're not necessarily

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interested in making the best matchups.

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Okay. interested in just building their brand within

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the sport and making money off does you know what i mean i do and maybe

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maybe mike sorry to cut you off on all this man it's my initial take on

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that you'd be doing shots right now don't you

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dare uh i did have some whiskey last night watching cgi

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night one i would have pat i would have

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been asleep so much earlier if i had some whiskey not a ton i was

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so tired but uh but yeah dude you're right i would have

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a shot if that were under the mighty mouse rules but yeah

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dude like i i still i i still

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maintain that or at least my initial stance is

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that like ufc getting in on this is it's gonna help it's gonna

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grow i understand that craig might

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have a bit of uh oh there's different reaction to it

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there's definitely bad blood yeah understandable it's

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yeah they i mean like in the last like week dude gable had

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to back out or whatever like i understand he's salty about it and

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it makes sense but i i taking a

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step back obviously not having any dog in the

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fight either just looking at it objectively i just can't see how the ufc getting

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in here is not going to grow things and yes it does like with some of the exclusivity

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i think you're going to expand on here like it could limit some of the matchups

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because of that but also like if they have the purse to start throwing money

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at other people they'll just start buying the matchups which can be a little

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bit perhaps daunting to others who are looking at that and saying,

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crap, how's that going to impact me?

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If they're not doing some reciprocity or whatever, I don't know what to call

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it, when they allow their guys, UFC, to do things like CGI.

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And who knows, maybe that'll change in the future years as well if Craig keeps

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doing this on a yearly basis since it's once a year.

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But I still am like, yo, man, I think it's kind of a gut reaction to say the

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UFC is going to be bad. How is that going to be bad?

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Yeah, I don't see it being bad for this sport overall. I do think it will because...

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We know that there's lockdown from it. And obviously there was all the talk

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about the rule set, whatever.

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We'll throw that out. I'm not going to worry about that because there was a

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whole argument about how a lot with the exception of, you know,

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because Craig's arguing that they stole it all from him.

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What's he arguing they stole? The rule set and the pit.

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But Mikey made really good points that that rule set actually existed in one

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of the Fight Pass Invitational's, albeit four minutes instead of five.

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Okay. The 10-point must. Okay.

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And I think... Also, the UFC's been doing that for a minute, by the way, dude.

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I feel like it's difficult to define that intellectual property as yours,

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and I like Craig Jones, and I want him to win.

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I have a feeling that him claiming that is a little bit of a...

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Is him kind of trolling, because there's no way he... I don't think he actually

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believes he invented the 10-point must system in three, five-minute rounds.

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It's also to tell the UFC, hey, man, you all took the 10-point muster,

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and they're like, wait a minute. Have you watched UFC ever?

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No, seeing his other stuff, there's probably a little bit of trolling going on with that.

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He's a funny guy. Because, yeah, it's kind of his MO, right?

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But then the pit, and Mikey made a good point that the pit was something that

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he adapted from karate combat, right? So he's a licensee of the pit. Okay.

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But, you know, so that whole part, whatever, wash that out. Doesn't matter.

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But actually, Mikey also kind of gave an air of some skepticism when it came

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to the exclusivity, which I found very interesting.

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It was a lot of if statements from him

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regarding uh you know

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if the ufc follows through if the

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ufc provides everything they promised me if the

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you know a lot of that was going on and it seems

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like he's even giving them it's he's almost

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running a trial period for them with with his expectations and

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his what he wants to get which i i thought that

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was a very interesting thing to take out

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of it um and it seems

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like a lot of it is that he thinks he

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thinks that if the UFC is able to provide is able

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to you know one they haven't started drug

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do any of the drug testing yet which was a big one of his big cells one of Mikey's

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big cells so uh but she says he would personally go around and collect the piss

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samples which is hilarious um but he said they have not yet followed through

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on the drug testing, which is interesting.

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Um, but he expects it in the future. A big thing for him was the brand growing

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potential with the UFC, which Mighty Mouse had some takes on,

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which Mighty Mouse had inputs on.

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Cause Mighty Mouse is something, he was part of the UFC.

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100%. Yeah. He's a champion for years. Uh, so we'll, I'll pivot to that in a

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second after listing this stuff.

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But, um, the brand building potential of the UFC was a big draw for Mikey.

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And he thinks that if they're able to follow through on all these things,

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that it will open the avenue to actually get the matchups to guarantee them.

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He also thinks the exclusivity is good because it does guarantee that you will

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be given X number of matches at X rate versus having to go in like what we do

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where we have to go and just find things.

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We have to find opportunities as they pop up.

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And so it gives more of a guaranteed outlet and way to generate income within

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the sport, which are all relatively valid points.

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But he's still conveying all these as if statements versus these are the things

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we are going to be doing with UFC.

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It's if the UFC is able to do this, then he will stay stick with them.

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And he would hope that, you know, Craig Jones would be supportive and say,

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hey, you know what? They followed through on their part.

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Great job, guys. And if not, Mikey would come out and say, hey, Craig, you were right.

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So, like, there's still a little bit of uncertainty in that.

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And Mighty Mouse had pretty good takes on it, having been,

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I mean, you could almost say a victim of the UFC's,

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uh almost a victim

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of like the usc's favoritism and ways that

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they uh how they

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prefer to push fighters because they don't necessarily they're

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not necessarily looking for the best guys they're looking for the most marketable

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which is business makes sense but um

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but i mean dj was talking about

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all these opportunities that hey you're the

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promoter you're supposed to be promoting your

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you're the fight they're fighters and like having filmed

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hours spent three four hours filming you

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know promotional content that gets scrapped because somebody else that

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they decide is worth the push more to scrap mighty mouse's stuff to push push

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this other stuff specifically john jones stuff his take so he's what he's saying

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is like he's like i i'm also doing this from his experience which he's certainly

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got a lot to talk about there.

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He did all this promotional work with them. I'm sure that they probably had

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in contracts, like, hey, you need to come in and do, like, whatever.

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It's part of the gig when you're at the UFC. He would go do it,

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and then they just wouldn't do it. Or they wouldn't deploy it.

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They wouldn't use it. They would go out and they'd promote John or whoever.

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Yeah, so, like, someone else I assume they think is more marketable,

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more sellable for, at the end of the day, bottom line, like,

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we're going to sell whatever event's coming up here. Yeah.

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We have, people only have so much attention, like, we're going to show a 90-minute, like,

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UFC promotional countdown video, know and we'll

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do five on mighty mouse in like an hour something like that in this case it

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seems like they did zero got it on i think it was one of the mighty mouse pseudo

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fights that he was talking about and like and then to then you know throw the

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guy away because he's not marketable when he feels that they weren't holding

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up their end of the deal so you know he was arguing that.

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You know they might do right by you

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mikey but they might not do right by you know the other

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80 percent of guys that end up signing with

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them and then you know in his

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words ship them off to asia that's funny um yeah

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so you know it's it there's definitely with what

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mikey sees as the growth path there's

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definitely some question like a lot of questionability because

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of the no some

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known track records of how they have not done

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those things for actually you know in

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mighty mouse case successful people that extremely

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successful if they had made the if

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they had made the effort would have been the marketable person that

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they want them to be right um you know

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they went with i mean especially him right like super likable

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dude suit like he's clean cut guy doesn't get into trouble like if they just

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sold that it's a super good role model you start getting kids into it right

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like so there's there's definitely some there's.

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I think there's a lot of risk there for getting people in there,

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especially when, and Craig had a good point about this, they're not really like

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giving Mikey the best fights for Mikey.

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Like, I mean, they're good, they're easy, you know, they're good matchups in

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his favor, but they're not the ones that he should be getting in the sense of, hey.

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Even Craig said, I want to see you beating the best guys in the world because

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he truly believes that he's one of the best in the world.

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He should be out there competing against the best in the world.

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And Mikey even agreed that like he, because of exclusivity contracts,

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he's already been missing out on them.

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So it was, it was very interesting to see that most of the guys in the room

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from a health of jujitsu standpoint, kind of agreed on the fact that this is

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a big, it's not necessarily,

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the best thing.

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If the word if we don't get everybody you

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know if if everybody's not able to be in the same place

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you don't you won't necessarily get those

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or if they won't play ball with each other to create

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these matchups then you end

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up with a you ended up with like multiple watered down

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i understand you know and so there's there's

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a lot of ifs there's a lot of ifs there's a lot of potential

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for this to not it might grow

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the sport and the visibility of the sport but it might

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water down the um competitive

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competitive aspect of the sport you might end up with a lot

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of dead time where you're

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waiting for these really good ones people competing against not having the best

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matchups maybe burning out contracts because of it right um and then also the

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potential of ending up with these guys that are paid a lot to not have the best

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matchups and these guys getting paid a little bit to, you know,

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go through the grueling ones and whatever. So there's, there's just a lot of.

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It's all still developing. This is very new, a lot of TBD.

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And who's to say that, you know, UFC is throwing free, these stuff up free on YouTube right now.

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Who's to say that within the, however long the lifespan they're giving this

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trial period of UFC BJJ, that they don't just scrap it.

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And it's because they weren't necessarily getting, they weren't providing the

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product that people wanted to watch because they're also providing a product that.

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Like I think Mikey's next opponent in october

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is koresco who he's a

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guy yeah exactly um he's a

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guy he won thirds at gi worlds or one

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i think he was i think he's currently ranked number five in gi okay ibjjf okay

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and so it's gonna give him mikey and a no gi match yeah so what they're saying

00:17:04.149 --> 00:17:07.829
is it's a mismatch yeah and it's not the most competitive thing and yeah i'm

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picking up what you're putting So you're not,

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you're not the people that would watch this as,

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you know, without marketing and they're not doing the best job at that either.

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Um, I think, I mean, you don't, I don't, I haven't seen a lot of it. Okay.

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Um, maybe they are and I'm just not true. It's not in my algorithms and I'm

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not, it's not popping up for me. I have a feeling they're probably not doing it. Yeah.

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It's probably a little bit of that. Yet at least. That might change. um but

00:17:33.609 --> 00:17:38.009
you know it's it's just one of those things that if you're

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throwing you have Mikey Musumechi which people know and then you're throwing

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in people that you have that most people haven't heard of it's that's not gonna

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interest the hardcore people that is what initially built the UFC too right

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like it it grew into a sport that was,

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more people outside of the sport became interested in. Right.

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And, well, maybe if you don't attract the hardcore people, then you don't get

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the other people necessarily.

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Maybe they expect the hardcores to show up either way, and they're trying to

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do more work for the outside people.

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For what it's worth. Maybe. Yeah, yeah. A lot of TBD, dude. Who knows?

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Yeah, it's good. Time will tell.

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That's kind of the update there, I guess. I guess it's possible that the UFC

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could be buying up all these assets, so to speak, and then just scrap it later

00:18:26.587 --> 00:18:29.827
too when they're like, it's not worth it. Kind of like what Demetrius was hinting

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at where he's like, you can do all this work and then just choose not to do

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it. And like, they throw it out.

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Of course, it's a possibility. They technically fulfill their end of the contract.

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They'll throw the money out. They'll fulfill contracts. I'm sure they have like,

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I mean, they got teams of lawyers. Like, they know what they're doing. Like, they'll.

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Or just, or they'll just hold them under contract. Until they expire.

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And just scrap the events.

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Yeah. I mean, I don't know what those contracts. Because they do that with,

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they do that with some of their big names.

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I mean there's plenty of guys that were stuck under contract

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begging for them to give them a fight to get out wonder if these guys like

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get guaranteed income when they go with

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that though i gotta i gotta think i would hope so i gotta think like a lawyer

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somewhere is like yo like you can't just put my dude here tell him you're gonna

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give him five fights give him zero fights and paying zero dollars while he can't

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go anywhere else but but nonetheless whatever we don't well i think that was

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part of the they just had a big settlement with that i think well okay there you

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But the point being that, like, I mean, I don't know what it is,

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but nonetheless, it's a potential risk that they could just throw the whole

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thing out and say, this didn't do anything for us. We're done with this UFC, BJJ stuff.

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Or it could be, it could move forward. Some of the concerns of watermelon competition

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could take place, right? That's one scenario that they are all talking about.

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Third scenario could be that they take off its success in many,

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many, many, many, many ways. Because UFC does know what they're doing. Yeah.

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Which I agree with. Sure. Obviously, it's like, who knows? Tons of ifs, tons of TBDs.

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What else did they talk about? I mean, I know they talk about...

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A lot of it was that. They talked about Moneyberg.

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Okay. So there was a lot of questions on how much Moneyberg paid Mikey.

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Apparently... Is the guy's name really Moneyberg? No, dude, it's not.

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His name's not... I don't even think his name's actually Derek,

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if I remember correctly.

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He's just made up an entirely good name. Yeah, just pull that up on the wiki.

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It's got all of it. Is it on there? Oh, yeah, it's on his Wikipedia. Let's see if I can try it.

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He's got a Wikipedia page already. Yeah, he's got a Wikipedia page. No kidding.

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Yeah, I mean, it's a made-up persona. But yeah, I mean, Mikey was talking about...

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So Mikey only went there three times. Wiki. So he trained with Derek three times.

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Continue, I'm going to do some research on his actual name.

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But so he trained with Moneyberg three times.

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Mikey was saying that he would never give somebody who doesn't... He says that...

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Every i have his name he was trying he was obviously trying to yeah give me

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the name all right he's from chicago his name is dale boskowski it's not even close.

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Polish bro he's not even jewish come on

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man come on i was into the whole rich jewish

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thing dude that's awesome he's playing he's playing everyone um dude

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but so yeah so dale boskowski uh

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that is your real name whatever but Derek

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Moneyberg Derek yeah so so Mike you

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famously known three times uh they were

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trying to trap him and telling him how much he paid him and there's Mikey didn't

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say no that there was extra money to wear the rash guard um I don't begrudge

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Mikey going out to get paid at get paid dude yeah um if Dale is hucking out

00:21:36.795 --> 00:21:41.035
cash dude who cares yeah why not I mean, whatever, continue. It's fine.

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But so he was talking about how the validity of the black belt.

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So Mikey would not give a black belt to someone in that short of a time, no matter what.

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Okay. Unless this person's like, so this guy's not Mikey approved.

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Mikey approved. Okay. So, you know, that's, that's out. This is already out

00:22:07.835 --> 00:22:08.635
there. It's a data point. That's out there.

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Um, it seemed, seemed like he was, uh, he said, you'd have to ask the guys that

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gave it to him why they gave it to him.

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Um, which I believe was Jake Shields and Hoist Gracie or in those guys.

00:22:22.335 --> 00:22:26.515
Um, but yeah, he was like, yeah, from the way that I've seen the same footage

00:22:26.515 --> 00:22:29.995
as you guys, from the way that he moves, you want to say that's a black belt,

00:22:30.075 --> 00:22:34.835
but the dude definitely has absorbed enough knowledge, like a black belt, like whatever.

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So that was basically he studied a lot of jiu-jitsu.

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Is what Mikey said, but he's not necessarily executing it the same way that

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you might expect a black belt to. That was what I gathered from what Mikey said. Okay.

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Also, Craig alluded that Derek Moneyberg is one of the investors in CGI,

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I think the first one. Oh, interesting. Yeah.

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So, you know. So maybe Craig isn't on the worst of terms with this guy.

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No, it doesn't seem like he is. I think he just likes to give people shit. That is what he does.

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But yeah, so, you know, he bought a rash guard. Craig did.

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He actually paid for it, it seems like. There you go. Unless that was his. Whatever. Who knows?

00:23:15.851 --> 00:23:19.951
Yeah, so I mean, that was kind of the major happenings. Other than Mikey getting

00:23:19.951 --> 00:23:22.651
pretty drunk, it seems like. Got a little liquored up.

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They gave him an autism test on air. How'd he do?

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They did not complete the test. Damn. His ADHD got in the way.

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It's got to mean something. Yeah, whatever, you know. He at least has that.

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Inconclusive. Inconclusive. Okay. Maybe.

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Maybe there's uh maybe it's in the after show didn't he call craig gay he was

00:23:40.331 --> 00:23:43.371
like look if i have autism you have gayness yes yeah it's pretty funny yeah

00:23:43.371 --> 00:23:46.731
that's what he said he said you either become autistic or gay is what i went

00:23:46.731 --> 00:23:50.411
down one road you went down the other yeah awesome um,

00:23:51.271 --> 00:23:55.451
so maybe that's what uh maybe that's what the department of health is about

00:23:55.451 --> 00:23:59.431
to drop that jujitsu is the leading cause who knows no way oh no the barbara

00:23:59.431 --> 00:24:03.071
health is doing something they're about autism apparently there's some information

00:24:03.071 --> 00:24:05.611
that's supposed to come out this month whatever Uh-oh,

00:24:05.791 --> 00:24:07.811
RFK. Yeah, we'll see. Oh, geez.

00:24:08.271 --> 00:24:12.571
I think the Vegas odds are on that he's going to say it's vaccines or food dies

00:24:12.571 --> 00:24:14.431
probably. Are there Vegas odds on it? No.

00:24:14.811 --> 00:24:17.771
Damn. I mean, actually, I bet you there are. You ever heard of Polymarket?

00:24:18.531 --> 00:24:22.431
No. Polymarket's like an online, you can bet on like news, politics.

00:24:23.131 --> 00:24:26.891
Well, I bet you they have odds on it for sure. I'm looking.

00:24:27.331 --> 00:24:33.791
Yeah, pull up these odds. Should I look up Polymarket autism DHS?

00:24:33.791 --> 00:24:36.411
DHS, autism cause. Or is it HHS?

00:24:36.771 --> 00:24:41.851
HHS. HHS. Department of Health and Human Services. DHS, autism.

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Let's see what the internet says.

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Autism investigation. They're saying they have discovered the cause.

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I'm looking up Vegas odds. Okay. Continue. Wow, this is quite the,

00:24:53.054 --> 00:24:54.074
we're going quite. Yeah.

00:24:54.674 --> 00:24:58.534
But so, yeah, there's that. We're doing current events. We'll go past that.

00:24:58.914 --> 00:25:03.094
We said we wouldn't, but this is fine. Okay, okay. Here's what the AI says.

00:25:03.634 --> 00:25:06.534
It is not possible to place Vegas odds on a government investigation,

00:25:06.774 --> 00:25:10.294
such as the one by Health and Human Services Secretary Robert F.

00:25:10.394 --> 00:25:11.514
Kennedy, regarding autism.

00:25:11.974 --> 00:25:14.494
Vegas odds are based on betting markets. I mean, yeah.

00:25:15.634 --> 00:25:21.654
We're betting on the results. Vegas odds are, which are not offered on the outcome

00:25:21.654 --> 00:25:23.854
of government actions or scientific research.

00:25:24.214 --> 00:25:27.234
You know what, dude? I got to put it in polymarket. I'm typing in polymarket.

00:25:27.254 --> 00:25:29.714
We're not asking for actual research. We're just asking on. Yeah,

00:25:29.794 --> 00:25:31.334
we want to bet. We just want to bet on the news.

00:25:32.574 --> 00:25:35.434
Poly market odds. Dude, hell yeah.

00:25:36.134 --> 00:25:39.234
They got it? They got it? Well, let me see.

00:25:39.854 --> 00:25:43.134
No. Well, he pulls that up. Here's what came up. It says HHS.

00:25:43.294 --> 00:25:47.754
I typed in HHS Autism Investigation Polymarket. And the first thing that comes

00:25:47.754 --> 00:25:49.374
up is SBF, Sam Bakeman-Fried.

00:25:49.934 --> 00:25:53.014
Reduced sentence because of autism? Oh. Which is hilarious.

00:25:53.314 --> 00:25:56.074
So we don't have those odds. Sorry, guys. Damn it, guys. I'm sorry.

00:25:56.334 --> 00:26:00.254
Well, we'll- Tulsi, RFK. Here's the type of thing you can bet on, by the way.

00:26:00.654 --> 00:26:03.614
Tulsi, RFK, and Patel to be confirmed according to the Polymarket. Agree.

00:26:04.314 --> 00:26:06.014
You can bet on if they're going to confirm or not.

00:26:06.894 --> 00:26:11.294
Politics market. All right, whatever. Continue, man. But so we'll move on from autism.

00:26:12.094 --> 00:26:15.934
For now. For now. It might come back. It'll come back. How could you avoid it?

00:26:15.934 --> 00:26:19.514
Yeah, so like that was, you know, kind of setting the stage, exclusivity.

00:26:19.714 --> 00:26:22.974
They squashed their beef. They're cool. Apparently they're actually. They were beefing?

00:26:23.214 --> 00:26:25.374
Apparently they weren't actually beefing. Nah, they're not beefing.

00:26:25.674 --> 00:26:27.074
Craig's trying to sell CGI.

00:26:27.474 --> 00:26:32.414
He's talking shit on Mikey to create the thing. It's fun. They're friends. Yeah, dude.

00:26:32.794 --> 00:26:35.294
Mikey was talking the whole time about like, oh, well, you know,

00:26:35.434 --> 00:26:41.554
we, you text me nice all the time then you go online and you just you just trash

00:26:41.554 --> 00:26:45.334
me you just nuke me is the so uh yeah um.

00:26:46.634 --> 00:26:49.934
But speaking of cji there's some

00:26:49.934 --> 00:26:53.614
uh there's some controversies not like there's just

00:26:53.614 --> 00:26:56.514
people are uh things are happening things are

00:26:56.514 --> 00:26:59.234
happening there was there were some should we set the

00:26:59.234 --> 00:27:03.414
stage yeah let's set the stage i'll attempt to set the stage all right it was

00:27:03.414 --> 00:27:08.714
uh last night was the first night of cji it's two day event they had the 18

00:27:08.714 --> 00:27:15.294
quintet uh for men for a one million dollar prize and i'm gonna do my best to

00:27:15.294 --> 00:27:18.754
recite the teams real fast here we had new wave greg's team.

00:27:19.766 --> 00:27:24.486
Atos and the Europeans. Greg's team is Team Americas. Greg's team is Team Americas.

00:27:24.806 --> 00:27:28.406
Greg Souders from around our parts here, the D.C. area.

00:27:28.626 --> 00:27:35.846
There was Australasia and 10th Planet and then Daisy Fresh and B-Team.

00:27:36.306 --> 00:27:41.206
And then they had the ladies four-person bracket for $100,000.

00:27:42.026 --> 00:27:45.786
And last night was the first round of all of the men's, like the quarterfinals

00:27:45.786 --> 00:27:47.926
for all the men's. I think they're doing semis and finals today.

00:27:48.246 --> 00:27:52.946
Right. and they're doing the finals for the ladies today as well because it's

00:27:52.946 --> 00:27:54.666
just the four of them so they did semis last night.

00:27:55.066 --> 00:28:00.926
And Craig versus Chael Sonnen today because Abel Steveson bopped out.

00:28:01.126 --> 00:28:03.486
His toe hurts. His toe hurts, whatever.

00:28:03.786 --> 00:28:07.986
And alleged collusion from the UFC. Yeah, I mean, dude, it's related to current events.

00:28:08.626 --> 00:28:15.186
But yeah, so last night was the first round and for those listening,

00:28:15.366 --> 00:28:19.586
if you all watch it, you kind of know what happens, duh. But if you're not aware,

00:28:20.006 --> 00:28:22.806
the Quintet formats, it's unique.

00:28:23.226 --> 00:28:26.426
I thought it was interesting to watch. So this would be like my first take on

00:28:26.426 --> 00:28:29.066
the event. I actually found it all pretty. I liked it.

00:28:29.626 --> 00:28:32.206
I think you had mentioned before, we were talking about what we were going to

00:28:32.206 --> 00:28:33.646
kind of discuss on this episode.

00:28:33.786 --> 00:28:36.606
And there may be some folks out there saying it wasn't very interesting,

00:28:36.746 --> 00:28:39.986
wasn't very exciting. There weren't as many subs as I think people were hoping for.

00:28:40.206 --> 00:28:43.306
I think people were hoping for a lot more subs. We can talk about that,

00:28:43.366 --> 00:28:44.086
but these guys are high level.

00:28:44.266 --> 00:28:48.686
And by the way, with this rule set, this is what I was going to get to,

00:28:48.766 --> 00:28:51.266
which is that it's a unique format.

00:28:51.426 --> 00:28:55.526
It's very unique. So I think a lot in a pit, by the way, a bigger pit too.

00:28:55.826 --> 00:29:02.646
So whatever, like the actual map of the geography, like the field, like,

00:29:03.049 --> 00:29:07.009
They're on is different. The formatting for the whole thing was set up so that

00:29:07.009 --> 00:29:10.549
the coaches would come out. They would pick their fighters.

00:29:11.209 --> 00:29:15.309
And in real time, based on results, they would be choosing who to send out.

00:29:15.489 --> 00:29:21.269
So it's like they're having to make calls based on the circumstances of each match.

00:29:21.349 --> 00:29:24.369
And the way they would do the matches, the round would be eight minutes,

00:29:24.489 --> 00:29:25.689
which would go to completion.

00:29:26.109 --> 00:29:29.089
Judge's decision based on, I guess,

00:29:29.229 --> 00:29:32.129
like traditional point scoring slash aggression if there are no subs.

00:29:32.129 --> 00:29:35.129
But the subs being the main thing if if someone submits

00:29:35.129 --> 00:29:38.149
like if new we've got new wave guy submits dude

00:29:38.149 --> 00:29:40.969
from greg's team greg's team guy goes out the next

00:29:40.969 --> 00:29:44.789
person that greg will make a call greg will say okay well that an 88 kilo guy

00:29:44.789 --> 00:29:48.989
from team a from the from my opposing team just submitted my guy who am i going

00:29:48.989 --> 00:29:51.569
to get to come in here and beat this guy and like how do i want that to go do

00:29:51.569 --> 00:29:54.629
i want that it's this is the type of subtleties that i thought were pretty interesting

00:29:54.629 --> 00:30:00.329
which is like do these guys play for dragging a guy out to the end of regulation subbing him out,

00:30:00.909 --> 00:30:03.649
knowing that maybe like you might not submit this really high

00:30:03.649 --> 00:30:06.569
level paper maybe you can stall him out from having a submission victory

00:30:06.569 --> 00:30:09.569
get rid of him like once that person's out if there's no submission both people

00:30:09.569 --> 00:30:12.389
go out the ref will make a decision using some of the

00:30:12.389 --> 00:30:15.909
like blockers and there's just there's a strategy in it that's quite interesting

00:30:15.909 --> 00:30:18.769
right and then you can also you can approach it from a bunch of different ways

00:30:18.769 --> 00:30:22.009
like what i thought was to kind of bring it down to actually what happened like

00:30:22.009 --> 00:30:26.809
in that first round between new wave and greg's team donna her versus greg um

00:30:26.809 --> 00:30:30.289
the first two matches i think were no submission,

00:30:30.949 --> 00:30:33.949
and uh because it was wagner round two and it was um.

00:30:34.629 --> 00:30:37.829
Wagner versus dorsey round round two round one

00:30:37.829 --> 00:30:43.129
was um the south african bro luke griffin luke griffin and pat downey pat downey

00:30:43.129 --> 00:30:48.289
right and both those matches had no submission wins they both later went to

00:30:48.289 --> 00:30:52.469
rest decision by round three donna her it seems like he was like i'm bringing

00:30:52.469 --> 00:30:56.169
out the heavy hit i want to start getting some sub wins now So he brings out Giancarlo Bodoni,

00:30:56.789 --> 00:31:00.389
88 kilo, ADCC gold medalist, probably one of their best players on TV.

00:31:00.569 --> 00:31:02.769
He was 99 kilo.

00:31:03.049 --> 00:31:05.569
He was the minus 99. Whatever, big boy, right? Yeah.

00:31:06.729 --> 00:31:11.789
So he brings him out. But he was the 88 kilo ADCC.

00:31:11.989 --> 00:31:14.729
I'm just saying he was in the minus 99 slot. Whatever, but you get what I'm saying.

00:31:14.769 --> 00:31:20.229
A bigger dude, probably one of the best pound-for-pound, all-around guys on

00:31:20.229 --> 00:31:21.289
the mat in the entire event.

00:31:21.289 --> 00:31:24.429
Well he comes out he submits the first opponent which is

00:31:24.429 --> 00:31:27.689
was gavin corbet from our area gavin's a 66 kilo for

00:31:27.689 --> 00:31:30.749
for greg's team um and so gavin

00:31:30.749 --> 00:31:34.129
goes out and then out comes the wild

00:31:34.129 --> 00:31:40.249
card pick for the for greg's team which was like an englishman who won or placed

00:31:40.249 --> 00:31:43.929
at the cji trials which i don't know much about cji trials but like anyways

00:31:43.929 --> 00:31:48.449
greg picked this guy and cue the controversy right but this is i guess kind

00:31:48.449 --> 00:31:51.949
of my way of explaining like what the rule format the kind of the game the gameplay

00:31:51.949 --> 00:31:53.149
of all this which I personally,

00:31:53.749 --> 00:31:56.769
I wouldn't I don't know I wouldn't call it like the most exciting I mean the

00:31:56.769 --> 00:31:59.769
controversy made it kind of exciting by the way which I'm going to get to in a second but,

00:32:00.537 --> 00:32:01.797
I don't know that exciting is

00:32:01.797 --> 00:32:06.097
the right word. I don't think it's wrong to say it was kind of exciting.

00:32:06.237 --> 00:32:10.297
It was very interesting to me, the whole thing, and thus entertaining, in my opinion.

00:32:10.337 --> 00:32:14.357
And I think this first matchup... Dude, that was the first match of the night.

00:32:14.497 --> 00:32:18.417
Like, none of these, like, it's okay. We don't really know. This is a new thing. Sort of TBD.

00:32:18.597 --> 00:32:24.817
I think that first matchup was a really good example of the things we could see.

00:32:26.857 --> 00:32:31.157
Because I don't know if we got this across very well, but they don't know who

00:32:31.157 --> 00:32:36.817
the other coach is sending out if they're both sending people out. That's right.

00:32:37.357 --> 00:32:41.057
The only time that you know who the opponent is going to be is if they won by

00:32:41.057 --> 00:32:42.217
submission and stayed in.

00:32:42.337 --> 00:32:45.137
Or if that, slash if there's one guy left. Sometimes you'll know,

00:32:45.197 --> 00:32:48.857
everyone's out on team whatever, and this other team has two dudes left.

00:32:48.937 --> 00:32:53.597
It's going to be, it ended up getting to DeAndre and Mika at the end.

00:32:53.657 --> 00:32:55.397
We knew that was coming based on just the choices.

00:32:55.597 --> 00:32:58.137
Yeah, because we knew who was left. That's at the end of the match, to your point.

00:32:58.857 --> 00:33:01.757
But yeah tons of question marks which again like you know

00:33:01.757 --> 00:33:04.537
whatever it's kind of in the eye of the beholder the fan that decides it's

00:33:04.537 --> 00:33:07.757
exciting for you it's very interesting to me and again

00:33:07.757 --> 00:33:13.077
to me that's entertaining exciting whatever just a word like exciting what's

00:33:13.077 --> 00:33:17.097
exciting exciting versus entertainment yeah whatever they can be independent

00:33:17.097 --> 00:33:19.937
of each other but at the end of the day they just want to get eyes I'm watching

00:33:19.937 --> 00:33:23.837
it well anyways so Giancarlo comes out or Giancarlo stays in because he submits

00:33:23.837 --> 00:33:27.357
Gavin Gavin subs out and then Greg calls in And there,

00:33:27.657 --> 00:33:32.297
I think that guy was 88 kilos, but whatever, like a middle tier size wise dude

00:33:32.297 --> 00:33:37.297
for Greg's team who was an English dude who is like a leg locker guard player.

00:33:38.137 --> 00:33:42.437
To cut to the chase here, he catches, well, he attacks Giancarlo.

00:33:42.657 --> 00:33:45.857
Did you see this by the way? Yes. So did I. I watched it. I have a take on it.

00:33:46.997 --> 00:33:50.277
Giancarlo is in, well, okay. So Perriman, I think is his name.

00:33:50.417 --> 00:33:51.437
Perriman is the Englishman.

00:33:51.837 --> 00:33:56.017
He's going in on a leg. Ailer Perriman. That's him. he's going in on a leg on

00:33:56.017 --> 00:33:58.697
Giancarlo Giancarlo's a little casual about it doesn't think it's a big deal

00:33:58.697 --> 00:34:01.257
you can tell because he's not really like rushing to make something happen but,

00:34:02.167 --> 00:34:06.647
And Perriman's, like, attacking a heel hook. And I'm sure in Perriman's head,

00:34:06.647 --> 00:34:08.287
he's like, oh, I'm going for this. This is a real attack.

00:34:08.567 --> 00:34:11.007
Like, to him, it was a real attack. Like, I mean, we've all been in situations

00:34:11.007 --> 00:34:13.607
like this where, and here's the rub.

00:34:13.887 --> 00:34:17.807
So Giancarlo responds to it and kind of, like, moves his hand down on his leg.

00:34:18.067 --> 00:34:20.987
In the moment, I actually thought it didn't look like a attack. I thought so, too.

00:34:21.107 --> 00:34:23.867
In the moment, because he moved his hand down on his leg.

00:34:23.967 --> 00:34:26.667
But, like, the more I looked at it, and when you got clear angles.

00:34:28.087 --> 00:34:32.627
More than 50% of me, maybe 51% of me, thinks it wasn't a tap because the way

00:34:32.627 --> 00:34:36.027
he put his hand on his leg kind of like he he like it moved down which does

00:34:36.027 --> 00:34:39.207
resemble a tap but then it kind of sat there it wasn't like a repeated tap motion,

00:34:39.667 --> 00:34:42.187
um but he moved it down and it did kind of look like a tap but then he kind

00:34:42.187 --> 00:34:45.207
of slid his hand down like as though he was going to move his leg off in other

00:34:45.207 --> 00:34:49.107
words in other words he was like moving his hand on the leg to then begin this

00:34:49.107 --> 00:34:53.047
is my meta take on it granted i'm open to looking at the analysis over and over

00:34:53.047 --> 00:34:56.767
and over again also my other take is like i could see why the rest would Like,

00:34:56.887 --> 00:34:58.467
nah, man, we're just going to err on the side of you tapped.

00:34:58.747 --> 00:35:03.487
So I don't begrudge the refs. I think this is one of those wacky things in jiu-jitsu

00:35:03.487 --> 00:35:05.047
that just kind of happens, and you have to deal with it.

00:35:05.467 --> 00:35:08.767
Turns out it happened twice last night, but we can get to that in a second.

00:35:09.427 --> 00:35:12.747
You can queue up the second instance as soon as I wrap up on this one.

00:35:13.887 --> 00:35:18.467
So that happens. So Giancarlo is, like, mystified because everyone stops,

00:35:18.547 --> 00:35:21.367
and what happens is when he does that, Pearman, who's attacking,

00:35:21.907 --> 00:35:24.407
interprets that as, like, you just gave up.

00:35:24.407 --> 00:35:28.127
And I'm sure Pearman was probably trying to be like conscientious of his opponent

00:35:28.127 --> 00:35:32.807
to like let go as soon as he thought it was tapped which I think in tournaments like this in hindsight,

00:35:33.387 --> 00:35:37.147
if I'm you know what I mean it's hindsight that's one of the biggest parts is,

00:35:37.667 --> 00:35:41.267
that was one of the biggest discussions about it is Pearman let go should you

00:35:41.267 --> 00:35:44.167
should you shouldn't let go let go or shouldn't let go no you should keep going

00:35:44.167 --> 00:35:47.907
until the ref stops you or it's evident that it's a tap I think Pearman was

00:35:47.907 --> 00:35:51.607
like in the moment he thought I believe he fully thought it was a tap because

00:35:51.607 --> 00:35:54.867
to him I think he fully thinks he's like I'm going in on a good leg log So as

00:35:54.867 --> 00:35:56.707
soon as he sees the hand goes down, like just out of respect.

00:35:57.450 --> 00:36:00.830
Maybe because I think Pearman also may be one of the less experienced high,

00:36:00.970 --> 00:36:03.070
high, high level competitors in situations like this.

00:36:03.190 --> 00:36:05.970
Like, it's a bit of an impulse. Like, I've done this in matches too where I've

00:36:05.970 --> 00:36:08.230
like interpreted taps that I thought were taps and I'm like,

00:36:08.350 --> 00:36:09.750
oh, because I'm like, oh, I want to break this guy's leg.

00:36:10.030 --> 00:36:13.050
But I think at that level you do have to hold on to it until it's clear that

00:36:13.050 --> 00:36:15.350
like, because it's a job, it's all high risk.

00:36:15.470 --> 00:36:19.650
These guys are all high level competitors who are accustomed to the danger of it.

00:36:20.010 --> 00:36:24.350
But, but Pearman let go, which like again, like it's not a, I don't begrudge

00:36:24.350 --> 00:36:27.030
the guy. He was just trying to respect what he thought was a tap.

00:36:27.130 --> 00:36:29.330
Yeah, he was trying to respect the tap. And because of that,

00:36:29.450 --> 00:36:32.810
in the moment, everyone was like, and dude, I think the first take,

00:36:32.890 --> 00:36:35.630
everyone was like, yo, yo, man, John Carly, you tapped, man.

00:36:36.250 --> 00:36:37.850
They replayed it, and John Carly, of course, was like, what,

00:36:37.890 --> 00:36:40.410
I didn't tap, walked around, this and that.

00:36:40.510 --> 00:36:43.490
And as time went on, the more I looked at him, I was kind of like,

00:36:43.610 --> 00:36:46.870
maybe he didn't tap. Because he did look real casual.

00:36:47.610 --> 00:36:52.350
Depending on the angle, too. Depending on the angle, too. Some of the video angles, I think,

00:36:53.010 --> 00:36:57.870
to kind of devils advocate because like it's he definitely should have just

00:36:57.870 --> 00:37:01.890
kept holding on but it kind of devils advocate the decision that ended up happening

00:37:01.890 --> 00:37:03.410
from the from the side judges,

00:37:04.030 --> 00:37:07.370
depending on the angle it looks because

00:37:07.370 --> 00:37:11.130
like especially when you run it slow right like it was um when

00:37:11.130 --> 00:37:13.850
you run it slow it does boom hand comes up and

00:37:13.850 --> 00:37:17.030
then it looks like it goes like there's not a slide it's up

00:37:17.030 --> 00:37:21.250
it's he's gesturing down towards like his foot which i i personally interpret

00:37:21.250 --> 00:37:25.470
that as like he's moving to like navigate the situation yeah he's not like desperately

00:37:25.470 --> 00:37:28.610
trying to get out because his legs about to get broken and like from some angles

00:37:28.610 --> 00:37:31.850
it looks like he's placing from some angles it looks like he's tapping and i

00:37:31.850 --> 00:37:34.230
think if there's enough ambiguity.

00:37:35.150 --> 00:37:38.890
You almost have to err towards

00:37:38.890 --> 00:37:44.030
the tap from the judge's side because otherwise you don't want to get you don't

00:37:44.030 --> 00:37:50.850
want to create enough like leeway for people to fake the almost sell that they

00:37:50.850 --> 00:37:55.530
didn't tap it's you're better off having you're better off erring to the tap and,

00:37:56.046 --> 00:37:58.746
because people want to also people want to see subs, right?

00:37:58.926 --> 00:38:02.106
Like, which is what they did. Yeah. And I agree with you that I think that like,

00:38:02.226 --> 00:38:04.686
as far as like, like high level, I mean, it's, it's one of those things,

00:38:04.926 --> 00:38:06.326
very hindsight-y where it's sort of like,

00:38:06.906 --> 00:38:10.746
okay, like we need to be very like, okay, Craig or whoever's running the event,

00:38:10.906 --> 00:38:15.706
like come up with extraordinarily clear standards for what mandates a submission,

00:38:16.326 --> 00:38:17.966
a tap rather than not.

00:38:19.406 --> 00:38:21.886
But yeah, in that, in under the circumstances at the moment,

00:38:22.026 --> 00:38:26.646
I agree. I'm like, I get, I get why the rest did it. I don't begrudge them for what they did.

00:38:26.786 --> 00:38:29.366
Of course, Giancarlo's kind of stunned. He's like, I did not tap.

00:38:30.506 --> 00:38:35.106
I think the awkward part about all this is only he really knows if he was trying

00:38:35.106 --> 00:38:38.766
to tap and he actually kind of let me out and I just kind of played it cool

00:38:38.766 --> 00:38:41.886
and I got out of it. Well, yeah, that's the other part of it. It's a possibility.

00:38:42.886 --> 00:38:46.286
He's like, I went to tap and then the pressure came off. So I didn't have to

00:38:46.286 --> 00:38:47.466
fully tap. I kind of got lucky.

00:38:47.686 --> 00:38:52.006
I did one and hoped the Brazilian tap is what they call it. Okay, there you go.

00:38:52.826 --> 00:38:56.546
And after the match like they interview Jean-Carlo and Jean-Carlo was like yeah

00:38:56.546 --> 00:39:00.126
like everyone here knows I didn't did you see that by the way he goes everyone

00:39:00.126 --> 00:39:01.866
knows I didn't tap and the crowd goes boom,

00:39:02.386 --> 00:39:05.286
so like you could see his face he got a little upset but then and then like

00:39:05.286 --> 00:39:08.126
I'd say he stayed kind of cool of course that was not what he wanted to hear

00:39:08.126 --> 00:39:12.286
but at the end of this moment they ended up winning the judges decision that,

00:39:12.906 --> 00:39:16.486
first round matchup not to like skip past the rest of it the rest of it was

00:39:16.486 --> 00:39:19.266
really entertaining too great matchup Greg's team did really well,

00:39:19.846 --> 00:39:22.886
very competitive I think a lot of people thought they were the underdogs

00:39:22.886 --> 00:39:26.286
um well they had a lot less of

00:39:26.286 --> 00:39:29.406
what would be more what we

00:39:29.406 --> 00:39:32.506
considered like the big names i mean

00:39:32.506 --> 00:39:35.326
they're all still i mean we know who who those guys

00:39:35.326 --> 00:39:38.206
are but not everybody knows who they are even

00:39:38.206 --> 00:39:44.846
though like elijah dorsey's uh adcc winner like deandre's uh adcc you know like

00:39:44.846 --> 00:39:49.066
these are legit no no they're studs they're studs man they're not the they're

00:39:49.066 --> 00:39:52.986
not as big of names because they showed out really well they're not at b team

00:39:52.986 --> 00:39:55.626
or new wave or like they're just not the same,

00:39:56.487 --> 00:40:00.347
They don't get as much notoriety, but point taken, skill-wise, they showed that.

00:40:00.607 --> 00:40:05.127
They were capable of hanging with probably the favorite of the entire tournament, in my opinion.

00:40:06.147 --> 00:40:08.227
They were the number one seed. They were the number one seed,

00:40:08.367 --> 00:40:11.307
right. And they were the eighth seed, I think. Yes. Greg's team.

00:40:11.527 --> 00:40:14.347
So, good job, Greg. Good job, team.

00:40:14.987 --> 00:40:18.207
Team DC-ish, area Americas or whatever. Good job, boys.

00:40:18.527 --> 00:40:23.527
But, yeah, great match. Or great first round. Yeah, match. Yeah, it was a match.

00:40:25.147 --> 00:40:28.207
Matches within the match. matchup matchup sure we'll

00:40:28.207 --> 00:40:31.587
call it that whatever people know what i'm saying um yeah and

00:40:31.587 --> 00:40:34.327
and but okay but i'll come back to the you know

00:40:34.327 --> 00:40:37.367
bo donnie kind of changed the subject to like yeah you know look we won we're gonna

00:40:37.367 --> 00:40:40.087
figure out our shit for tomorrow we're gonna get into it which it's just

00:40:40.087 --> 00:40:43.127
right because i think that first round was very much like discovery for

00:40:43.127 --> 00:40:46.267
like including everyone who came afterwards yeah well you didn't all just

00:40:46.267 --> 00:40:48.987
watched they watched the blueprint and a lot of like

00:40:48.987 --> 00:40:51.627
and the good thing about that first round for everyone else is like it was a lot

00:40:51.627 --> 00:40:54.307
of weird contingencies a lot of shit that you could like take a

00:40:54.307 --> 00:40:57.067
second like oh damn like so this is how this could play out so maybe we

00:40:57.067 --> 00:40:59.847
need to rethink some stuff which again taking a

00:40:59.847 --> 00:41:02.427
step back this whole question of excitement again some of this

00:41:02.427 --> 00:41:05.627
isn't exciting it's mentally stimulating like it's interesting to

00:41:05.627 --> 00:41:08.407
think about that now maybe because i have like coaching experience and

00:41:08.407 --> 00:41:11.567
you have coaching experience you haven't even shared if you thought it was interesting i

00:41:11.567 --> 00:41:15.027
thought it was interesting there you go um but i i

00:41:15.027 --> 00:41:17.927
find that whole like figuring out what to

00:41:17.927 --> 00:41:21.447
do from like multiple different angles competitor angle coach angle

00:41:21.447 --> 00:41:24.947
maybe even craig's angle the guy running the event fascinating to

00:41:24.947 --> 00:41:28.047
me man because the whole thing is like it's uncharted territories well

00:41:28.047 --> 00:41:31.627
and what do you you also have like so they get they get

00:41:31.627 --> 00:41:34.707
a second before they get one minute like

00:41:34.707 --> 00:41:38.667
once they come in well i'm saying once the fighters are in so once the once

00:41:38.667 --> 00:41:42.527
the guys enter they don't immediately start they come in they're with their

00:41:42.527 --> 00:41:46.247
coach for a second they actually get a second to discuss strategy right like

00:41:46.247 --> 00:41:51.307
there's a moment like okay um specifically was with this one because you had

00:41:51.307 --> 00:41:52.947
a lot more even weight matchups.

00:41:53.027 --> 00:41:55.627
But when, um, when.

00:41:56.631 --> 00:42:00.131
The younger Corbett came out and then he has Bodoni on the other side.

00:42:00.211 --> 00:42:02.471
Yeah. You know, there's a second there. It's like, hey, dude.

00:42:03.031 --> 00:42:06.111
What are we going to do? This is what we need to do. Like, you're attacking.

00:42:06.591 --> 00:42:08.651
Look, he went out and he was attacking legs. He did attack Bodoni right away.

00:42:08.651 --> 00:42:09.991
He did a really good job too.

00:42:10.111 --> 00:42:13.451
He actually made him, he made him pause. He made him actually work.

00:42:13.451 --> 00:42:16.731
He made, it was really cool. Giancola had to defend that leg lock. Yeah.

00:42:17.231 --> 00:42:22.151
But it's like, okay, maybe we want to try to take this. You just need to survive.

00:42:22.671 --> 00:42:25.991
Do enough to look offensive. like and

00:42:25.991 --> 00:42:28.911
that seems like what he was trying to do right like go out

00:42:28.911 --> 00:42:32.111
there get some attacks going and then let's

00:42:32.111 --> 00:42:35.651
just get him eliminated because then guess what now

00:42:35.651 --> 00:42:38.511
we're now we're up a big guy and they're down to

00:42:38.511 --> 00:42:41.571
their two small guys that's right right so there's there's a lot of um

00:42:41.571 --> 00:42:44.791
and they didn't know that it was going to be that matchup

00:42:44.791 --> 00:42:48.251
either right so that's another interesting fact is you have

00:42:48.251 --> 00:42:51.291
however many seconds to decide what your

00:42:51.291 --> 00:42:56.391
game plan is for this do we try to take out do we try to take out goliath and

00:42:56.391 --> 00:43:01.011
leave in david or are we just trying to hey let's let's try to get on the judges

00:43:01.011 --> 00:43:04.531
scorecards let's try to make it look good and let's win so that we can get our

00:43:04.531 --> 00:43:11.071
next two guys in here right right so it creates a very cool i like this for me.

00:43:11.791 --> 00:43:14.671
I approve of this format i'm entertained i think

00:43:14.671 --> 00:43:17.891
it's very cool especially like i get it you just want people

00:43:17.891 --> 00:43:21.351
just want to see submissions they want to see the blood whatever

00:43:21.351 --> 00:43:24.591
right they want their pound of flesh but there's something really cool

00:43:24.591 --> 00:43:27.751
about strategy so um you know you know

00:43:27.751 --> 00:43:30.891
whatever i know you guys want to see a submission

00:43:30.891 --> 00:43:33.691
every two minutes but there is something

00:43:33.691 --> 00:43:37.551
cool with this rule set however i

00:43:37.551 --> 00:43:40.591
do think that there could be slightly more urgency

00:43:40.591 --> 00:43:44.631
created and i think the way they could do that is um

00:43:44.631 --> 00:43:48.211
i think if they revealed the how

00:43:48.211 --> 00:43:50.891
the round was scored when they send the

00:43:50.891 --> 00:43:53.611
people out which i know it's the whole point is

00:43:53.611 --> 00:43:56.851
it doesn't matter unless everyone's eliminated

00:43:56.851 --> 00:44:00.171
right but i think

00:44:00.171 --> 00:44:05.831
that you could create urgency in the next round that comes in that like hey

00:44:05.831 --> 00:44:13.451
like i can still you can still draw out but i need to draw out and also win

00:44:13.451 --> 00:44:16.171
well it's like mid-game it's like hey we're behind on the scorecard we gotta

00:44:16.171 --> 00:44:19.411
press i think Because that was the beautiful thing about the individuals.

00:44:19.411 --> 00:44:22.391
Who's number one does that? Where who's number one is like judges favor blue.

00:44:22.671 --> 00:44:27.351
They do it based on like chunks of time. They did it in the individual tournament

00:44:27.351 --> 00:44:28.791
for the three rounds, right?

00:44:29.151 --> 00:44:33.891
That's what made some of those matches more exciting was a guy knew in round

00:44:33.891 --> 00:44:37.531
three that he was down two rounds, right? Now there's urgency.

00:44:37.831 --> 00:44:42.991
So I think there would, taking something they already did with the open scoring

00:44:42.991 --> 00:44:47.171
could create a little more. but I still think it was, I still think that the

00:44:47.171 --> 00:44:48.671
format's really good. Yeah.

00:44:49.051 --> 00:44:54.271
Um, I think it, I think there just could be to with the feedback that people

00:44:54.271 --> 00:44:56.051
already giving after one night.

00:44:56.884 --> 00:45:01.744
There could be some room. There is always room for improvement.

00:45:01.904 --> 00:45:06.064
I think that that is one thing that could create a little more urgency,

00:45:06.064 --> 00:45:11.904
which it may lead to more submissions, but at least might lead to slightly more activity.

00:45:12.984 --> 00:45:17.164
But, you know, it is what it is. The heavyweight, there's

00:45:17.164 --> 00:45:20.344
just a lot of open stuff for some

00:45:20.344 --> 00:45:23.204
not exciting matchups just because you

00:45:23.204 --> 00:45:26.844
have two really good dudes that their their

00:45:26.844 --> 00:45:30.584
games you know their styles clash

00:45:30.584 --> 00:45:34.624
in a way that doesn't create exciting stuff right

00:45:34.624 --> 00:45:38.484
like exciting jujitsu necessarily because they

00:45:38.484 --> 00:45:41.124
kind of cancel out in a way like there's there's always going to be

00:45:41.124 --> 00:45:44.144
the opportunity for that when you have matchups like this so

00:45:44.144 --> 00:45:47.004
um but we also got a matchup we

00:45:47.004 --> 00:45:51.944
wanted deandre versus mika so you know there's you have the potential for really

00:45:51.944 --> 00:45:56.384
good matchups you have the potential for not as exciting matchups um but you

00:45:56.384 --> 00:45:59.324
also never know because you might get a guy that you've that you're not familiar

00:45:59.324 --> 00:46:02.864
with that comes in and does and all of a sudden these guys have never seen each

00:46:02.864 --> 00:46:05.564
other before and now you're.

00:46:06.224 --> 00:46:09.124
Everyone's trying to figure it out in real time so you can get some really interesting

00:46:09.124 --> 00:46:13.064
stuff there too um so i

00:46:13.064 --> 00:46:17.044
mean that's kind of my take from that first one specifically um but

00:46:17.044 --> 00:46:21.184
on the brazilian taps the controversy surrounding

00:46:21.184 --> 00:46:25.104
the next one was actually in 10th planet versus europe no

00:46:25.104 --> 00:46:27.844
no australasia was it australasia yeah europe went

00:46:27.844 --> 00:46:32.484
against atos europe was atos um it was it was australasia versus 10th planet

00:46:32.484 --> 00:46:37.664
uh geo was put into a leg lock guy went belly down on it looked like a ankle

00:46:37.664 --> 00:46:47.364
um ankle lock foot lock um and geo posts out and brings the hand back and i think,

00:46:47.984 --> 00:46:51.964
i couldn't get a good i didn't see a good angle on it i just saw like the zoomed

00:46:51.964 --> 00:46:58.864
out shot like the pit side camera um but it looks like he gets one and then

00:46:58.864 --> 00:47:03.684
retracts and then comes back maybe i don't know but twofer i but like separate

00:47:03.684 --> 00:47:07.544
it was here here right okay so he he like taps.

00:47:08.524 --> 00:47:10.084
Single posts and like.

00:47:10.873 --> 00:47:13.573
Goes puts the hand back down or something uh but the

00:47:13.573 --> 00:47:16.813
ref like immediate the ref called that one oh um and

00:47:16.813 --> 00:47:19.913
he went over and asked for the review afterwards like dude

00:47:19.913 --> 00:47:22.833
i didn't tap but i it's another

00:47:22.833 --> 00:47:26.313
one where they're i think they're just trying to one i

00:47:26.313 --> 00:47:29.013
think they're trying to save these dudes limbs the ref's trying to do

00:47:29.013 --> 00:47:31.973
his job and keep you know their job is to protect the athlete

00:47:31.973 --> 00:47:35.113
in a way um but i

00:47:35.113 --> 00:47:38.513
there's all you have to if you're

00:47:38.513 --> 00:47:41.213
those guys and now the precedent's been set in

00:47:41.213 --> 00:47:44.573
the prior one right the precedent set that a panic

00:47:44.573 --> 00:47:47.733
tap is a tap basically you around the taps right so you

00:47:47.733 --> 00:47:51.033
don't yeah so i think i think that one

00:47:51.033 --> 00:47:54.033
is probably because of the precedent set by

00:47:54.033 --> 00:47:57.053
the prior one because you know

00:47:57.053 --> 00:47:59.893
again he actually had a little strain in his face too

00:47:59.893 --> 00:48:03.593
unlike bodoni uh interesting and

00:48:03.593 --> 00:48:06.413
so i think it was the road in the rotation is when

00:48:06.413 --> 00:48:10.493
it occurs um but i

00:48:10.493 --> 00:48:13.933
he had more he looked he sold

00:48:13.933 --> 00:48:17.393
the i'm tapping a little bit more than bodoni did got it uh and

00:48:17.393 --> 00:48:20.453
so i think that probably didn't play in his favor because he had

00:48:20.453 --> 00:48:23.713
more reaction to it if he just went like this it was

00:48:23.713 --> 00:48:26.653
stone faced and he tapped and went stone faced it probably would

00:48:26.653 --> 00:48:31.453
have been less of a thing um but yeah i mean the ref jumped in the ref ref stopped

00:48:31.453 --> 00:48:34.993
it whereas in the pairman one the ref didn't stop the pairman just stopped it

00:48:34.993 --> 00:48:38.993
was like yeah i did he like reacted yeah he was like no no you tap this was.

00:48:38.993 --> 00:48:42.593
Different right which no this is it's much different and so it's much different.

00:48:42.593 --> 00:48:46.453
But i think that once that precedent was set in the pyramid.

00:48:47.233 --> 00:48:52.173
Bodoni match that they have to now they have to they're gonna intervene that's

00:48:52.173 --> 00:48:56.173
that's the that's now the rule right like they've just that has been put into

00:48:56.173 --> 00:49:02.493
that has been put into the rule set at this point that you tap you tap like any sort of.

00:49:03.384 --> 00:49:07.384
That looks like a tap and this seems like especially with leg stuff gotta be

00:49:07.384 --> 00:49:11.784
treated as a tap they're gonna take it as a tap if you in any way so you know

00:49:11.784 --> 00:49:14.704
I think that that's and you know we'll see tonight,

00:49:15.584 --> 00:49:20.004
if this is if it carries on if it happens again if it happens again right like

00:49:20.004 --> 00:49:22.964
maybe this is just the precedent they're setting that like hey,

00:49:23.724 --> 00:49:29.364
anything that looks like a tap is a tap now um which fine I think that's fine

00:49:29.364 --> 00:49:32.324
just make a decision and stick with it yeah as long the guys are consistent

00:49:32.324 --> 00:49:36.444
as long as they're consistent They were consistent with it last night.

00:49:36.724 --> 00:49:40.104
That's because Big John's the head of the ship. He probably fucking knows what

00:49:40.104 --> 00:49:42.804
he's doing when it comes to getting a rest in line. He's the dude.

00:49:43.464 --> 00:49:46.764
Yeah, he's the dude. He's the OG. He's literally the original MMA.

00:49:47.204 --> 00:49:51.164
He created the MMA rules. Yeah, he did. So he invented them because he was tired

00:49:51.164 --> 00:49:54.804
of picking up people's teeth and shit off the floor.

00:49:54.984 --> 00:49:58.844
Speaking of which, Wagner's team came out and was like, I wonder if Wagner's

00:49:58.844 --> 00:50:00.284
going to be toothless tonight.

00:50:00.284 --> 00:50:02.824
It looked like he was trying to put

00:50:02.824 --> 00:50:06.424
it back in do you see that on the side Armacan told me you could do that,

00:50:07.024 --> 00:50:11.904
he would know he said if your tooth comes out there's like a window of opportunity

00:50:11.904 --> 00:50:14.524
where if you can press it back in they're like apparently the nerve allegedly

00:50:14.524 --> 00:50:19.684
I'm not a doctor people but he's a doctor of dental science Mr.

00:50:19.684 --> 00:50:22.784
Armacan is I've been told totally capable

00:50:22.784 --> 00:50:25.564
of getting this wrong that you can press it back in and the sooner you

00:50:25.564 --> 00:50:28.464
do the nerves are like the fresher from

00:50:28.464 --> 00:50:31.204
like the break or whatever that you try to redeploy it like the more

00:50:31.204 --> 00:50:34.384
they can the more apt they are to regrow uh

00:50:34.384 --> 00:50:37.284
and like reaccept the tooth back in pretty it

00:50:37.284 --> 00:50:40.004
looked like he was trying to put it back afterwards he picked it up and threw it

00:50:40.004 --> 00:50:42.824
i think he's like fucking get this out i like their their little

00:50:42.824 --> 00:50:46.344
quip was that he gave it that uh donnaher has it in a glass of milk on the side

00:50:46.344 --> 00:50:51.044
very funny yeah uh that happened but uh yeah i wonder what he's gonna do tonight

00:50:51.044 --> 00:50:53.324
i mean is he gonna be toothless tonight does he wear a mouthpiece he should

00:50:53.324 --> 00:50:58.164
wear a mouthpiece he's gonna need to wear a mouthpiece but yeah actually everyone

00:50:58.164 --> 00:51:00.924
you You should wear a mouthpiece. I wear one every practice.

00:51:01.204 --> 00:51:04.864
Yeah. You can get them made by Dr. R. McCann, by the way. I've heard.

00:51:05.304 --> 00:51:08.024
Yeah. You just get one and throw it in.

00:51:08.624 --> 00:51:14.844
But yeah. So tonight it's going to be Atos, New Wave, B Team.

00:51:15.684 --> 00:51:16.864
Australia. Australasia.

00:51:17.564 --> 00:51:22.164
I still think that our pick of the dark horse of Australasia is.

00:51:22.364 --> 00:51:24.944
They could be a contender, man. I still feel very good about it.

00:51:25.244 --> 00:51:28.504
So they got B Team, I think. And then it's going to be Atos and New Wave.

00:51:28.604 --> 00:51:30.104
Which is a controversy over there as well.

00:51:31.124 --> 00:51:33.404
They have a lot of those guys on New Wave, don't they?

00:51:34.584 --> 00:51:39.104
Mika is not Autos. I have a backwards name. No, that's okay. Is he AOJ?

00:51:39.464 --> 00:51:44.484
No. No, he trains... Mika was... So his dad, Melky, kind of promoted him.

00:51:44.564 --> 00:51:46.624
And he had a stint with fight sports.

00:51:46.844 --> 00:51:50.744
Okay. I don't believe he's still with fight sports, but he was kind of associated

00:51:50.744 --> 00:51:52.544
with it. Now, Wagner's fight sports as well.

00:51:52.664 --> 00:51:55.384
I mean, Wagner has his own thing. But they're from the cyborg...

00:51:56.443 --> 00:52:01.503
Wagner is teamed up with Cyborg, and Mika had a, I want to say a year or two

00:52:01.503 --> 00:52:02.503
where he was under that umbrella.

00:52:02.643 --> 00:52:05.983
I think Mika, I'm not sure where Mika is at these days, but his father,

00:52:06.103 --> 00:52:08.243
Melky, like he's never been an Atos guy.

00:52:08.803 --> 00:52:11.943
It's possible he's trained with him in any case.

00:52:12.703 --> 00:52:15.563
I know there's some controversy about, like Gordon was sounding off on this,

00:52:15.643 --> 00:52:18.503
about how he's like, they stacked literally everything against the New Wave

00:52:18.503 --> 00:52:21.483
guys and gave B-Team the easiest possible path. That's his narrative.

00:52:22.683 --> 00:52:26.343
They got the number one seed against the number eight seed.

00:52:26.883 --> 00:52:31.343
True but I think he's saying that like with Atos and New Wave being on the same

00:52:31.343 --> 00:52:33.643
side of the bracket because they all have like they should have been probably

00:52:33.643 --> 00:52:36.883
I think his case is like that's a one and two seed spread them out like don't

00:52:36.883 --> 00:52:38.343
put the most difficult guys,

00:52:38.903 --> 00:52:43.543
on one side juxtaposed against allegedly giving B team the best possible path

00:52:43.543 --> 00:52:48.723
to the finals I think they're trying maybe they're trying to I think it's I don't know that that's,

00:52:49.183 --> 00:52:52.203
valid and whatever dude it's like these guys are all going to face each other

00:52:52.203 --> 00:52:54.763
regardless yeah so be it what's it matter,

00:52:55.523 --> 00:53:00.323
just interesting interesting take yeah I agree it's just someone's I think he

00:53:00.323 --> 00:53:03.963
just was like looking for an opening to sling some shit he must have threw a shit at T.J.

00:53:03.963 --> 00:53:09.343
At Craig Jones invitational so sling away dog it's probably true did you see,

00:53:10.483 --> 00:53:15.943
just building on his controversies do you see Nicky being unwilling to say whether

00:53:15.943 --> 00:53:24.643
or not his mom likes likes Craig Jones what no Nicky who Nicky Ryan Nicky Ryan talking about his mom,

00:53:25.403 --> 00:53:28.623
because they're you know they're on opposites he's like talking about

00:53:28.623 --> 00:53:32.023
whether or not his mom uh is is

00:53:32.023 --> 00:53:36.523
yeah is mad at craig or not basically and he was like i am not gonna bring my

00:53:36.523 --> 00:53:40.843
mom into this so she's mad at craig for what apparently not i don't know maybe

00:53:40.843 --> 00:53:44.503
he's not but they were trying to get him to talk about me mad at trying to create

00:53:44.503 --> 00:53:48.523
put his mom in the middle of him and of b team and gordon ryan you know someone's

00:53:48.523 --> 00:53:50.383
trying to create controversy there weird dude.

00:53:51.970 --> 00:53:54.290
But, you know, whatever. Like, on one side... He wouldn't say anything,

00:53:54.330 --> 00:53:56.510
so nothing happened. Fair enough. I just thought it was an interesting...

00:53:56.510 --> 00:53:59.790
Yeah, it's probably a no-comment thing. You could bring moms into this. Leave moms out of this.

00:54:00.130 --> 00:54:03.350
But, like, it's... Leave those moms alone. On one side, she has one kid who

00:54:03.350 --> 00:54:07.390
was at least in business and a teammate with Craig for a while, B-Team, Nicky Ryan.

00:54:07.670 --> 00:54:12.610
On the other end, her other son, Gordon, who's, like, allegedly internet mortal enemies.

00:54:12.650 --> 00:54:14.550
They might actually like each other. They might just be doing all this,

00:54:14.590 --> 00:54:15.730
like, hatred shit just for the internet.

00:54:15.910 --> 00:54:19.390
Who knows? It's like the Iron Sheik in What's-His-Face when they're just driving

00:54:19.390 --> 00:54:22.170
to match to towns together.

00:54:22.410 --> 00:54:25.650
Who knows? We find out later that they've just been friends this whole time.

00:54:25.750 --> 00:54:27.610
Yeah, it could be. And wouldn't that be something?

00:54:28.690 --> 00:54:32.270
But anyways, yeah, who the fuck knows? Slash cares.

00:54:32.950 --> 00:54:36.750
Maybe that's the secret that drops at the end, the twist that drops at the end

00:54:36.750 --> 00:54:37.750
of CJI. We're all friends.

00:54:38.050 --> 00:54:42.330
Is that Gordon comes out and just cheers for Craig, gives him a big hug.

00:54:42.610 --> 00:54:45.650
Yeah, I don't see that happening. When he retires. Yeah, maybe when he retires.

00:54:46.110 --> 00:54:49.330
Gets him a watch. Yeah, gives him a knife. A retirement gift?

00:54:49.510 --> 00:54:53.210
They give them knives. That's what they do at Kingsway and Donner's stuff.

00:54:53.210 --> 00:54:55.730
There you go. Here's your black belt knife, Craig.

00:54:56.850 --> 00:54:58.750
Do you want to make a prediction? Who do you think is going to win?

00:55:00.650 --> 00:55:04.710
After watching day one, what do you think? I did not watch the B-team match

00:55:04.710 --> 00:55:06.090
because it was too goddamn late.

00:55:06.350 --> 00:55:09.630
This is my other thing, dude. Fix this time. They only got against,

00:55:09.890 --> 00:55:14.190
which Daisy Fresh is solid. It was a 1-0 submission victory.

00:55:14.770 --> 00:55:16.550
Who won? Who got the sub, rather?

00:55:17.450 --> 00:55:21.290
Nicky Rod against Brandon Reed. Rear naked choke. Got it.

00:55:21.610 --> 00:55:24.490
He's the only sub. Everyone else went decisions? Everyone else went decisions.

00:55:24.710 --> 00:55:25.570
B-team won the decision.

00:55:25.870 --> 00:55:28.290
B-team won by... Well, I guess they won on the sub. They won by sub.

00:55:28.390 --> 00:55:31.790
They had one sub. I think they... So they ended up having someone left or whatever.

00:55:32.270 --> 00:55:34.670
Got it. But so B-team won on sub.

00:55:35.490 --> 00:55:37.670
And... But like... Dude, I think...

00:55:38.484 --> 00:55:41.944
I think Australasia is still the Dark Horse candidate. I like them.

00:55:42.104 --> 00:55:45.344
I like their team makeup is solid.

00:55:47.944 --> 00:55:53.844
It's another one that's not the biggest of names, but I think they have the

00:55:53.844 --> 00:55:56.044
best team. I still think they have the best team makeup.

00:55:56.204 --> 00:55:58.564
I mean, we talked about it before, but...

00:55:59.384 --> 00:56:01.484
Dark Horse, man. They're the Dark Horse for me on that side.

00:56:02.064 --> 00:56:06.424
I think they have the most opportunity for them to win their matchups,

00:56:06.424 --> 00:56:09.984
like their individual matchups within the match i think

00:56:09.984 --> 00:56:13.044
that they have a better makeup for for

00:56:13.044 --> 00:56:16.024
creating that than the other teams do got it

00:56:16.024 --> 00:56:19.604
which is exciting like i think that just creates exciting they

00:56:19.604 --> 00:56:22.944
they were also one of the better more exciting matchups

00:56:22.944 --> 00:56:25.704
i thought the first one was great but i think they also had

00:56:25.704 --> 00:56:28.544
a really good matchup against um you know going in and

00:56:28.544 --> 00:56:31.964
10th planet knows how to do quintets there

00:56:31.964 --> 00:56:35.124
they do a lot of team like team

00:56:35.124 --> 00:56:38.784
matches like this or team tournaments so you

00:56:38.784 --> 00:56:42.124
know they went out there and they you know

00:56:42.124 --> 00:56:44.884
they were the underdog they won like it was

00:56:44.884 --> 00:56:48.104
pretty cool um they're also the only national team

00:56:48.104 --> 00:56:53.464
to win which i guess they're only three but um but so yeah i think it creates

00:56:53.464 --> 00:56:57.684
i think they they're still my dark horse pick i still like them for for the

00:56:57.684 --> 00:57:02.524
whole thing obviously it's will it may will it maybe end up being new wave versus

00:57:02.524 --> 00:57:05.784
B team because that's how it'll probably, how things could end up shaking.

00:57:05.984 --> 00:57:10.644
Maybe that's the way things are written, but, um, but I, I just think,

00:57:10.764 --> 00:57:12.544
I think Australasia is a really good opportunity.

00:57:13.444 --> 00:57:17.984
So cool. Yeah. I mean, I'd say beat our, um, I think new wave is still kind of my favorite.

00:57:18.204 --> 00:57:21.924
I think there's still the number one seed. I say favorite meaning like I'm, I don't know.

00:57:22.407 --> 00:57:24.347
Whatever. You know what I'm saying. They're your favorite to win.

00:57:24.467 --> 00:57:27.767
They're their favorite to win. I think Australasia is the wildcard pick for me, too.

00:57:29.067 --> 00:57:32.207
Yeah. The last four teams will be interesting.

00:57:32.907 --> 00:57:36.947
They're all, like, very interesting matchups. I mean, the Atos versus New Wave

00:57:36.947 --> 00:57:39.107
is nothing new. They've all been battling each other for years,

00:57:39.147 --> 00:57:40.087
but that'll be cool to see.

00:57:41.867 --> 00:57:47.187
It's also way more exciting to see Australasia in the final than matchups we've seen.

00:57:48.327 --> 00:57:51.547
Well, the head-to-heads that we usually see as well.

00:57:51.567 --> 00:57:55.867
Yeah, no, the B-team stack versus the Australasian stack will be cool they're

00:57:55.867 --> 00:57:59.407
just good matchups either way it's gonna be exciting yeah I'm excited me too

00:57:59.407 --> 00:58:03.107
hell yeah and then we have Helena,

00:58:03.987 --> 00:58:08.027
versus Sarah Galvao right for the $100,000.

00:58:08.947 --> 00:58:14.347
Final women's championship women's championship finals or whatever cool so that's

00:58:14.347 --> 00:58:19.367
pretty cool that'll be a that's a that's a fun matchup I think that it would

00:58:19.367 --> 00:58:22.607
have been that's another that's an Atos versus New Wave right there too.

00:58:22.827 --> 00:58:28.287
Yeah, because Helena had Adela, which was the one that, that was one that people

00:58:28.287 --> 00:58:31.047
wanted to see. And I wonder if that's why they did it first.

00:58:31.167 --> 00:58:33.207
Okay. Just like to do it.

00:58:33.347 --> 00:58:36.047
Serve the fans up something they want to see. Because I think that was the favorite

00:58:36.047 --> 00:58:39.107
for the final before they announced the bracket, which it's four people.

00:58:39.287 --> 00:58:41.667
There's only so many ways you can build that bracket. So whatever.

00:58:41.987 --> 00:58:44.927
But I think that was one that people wanted to see.

00:58:45.167 --> 00:58:49.987
But I think that's a good, but Sarah Gaval and Helena Cravar is a good,

00:58:49.987 --> 00:58:53.487
it's a good matchup too that's going to be exciting someone

00:58:53.487 --> 00:58:56.447
walks home with $100,000 that's a big deal

00:58:56.447 --> 00:58:59.627
um yeah New Wave vs Atos

00:58:59.627 --> 00:59:07.267
it's all over tomorrow it's all over it and then Cale vs Craig Chael Sonnen

00:59:07.267 --> 00:59:12.447
will he remain undefeated yes because Chael Sonnen can't be defeated but will

00:59:12.447 --> 00:59:18.967
he lose to will he lose to Craig Jones um.

00:59:20.087 --> 00:59:20.787
It's a rematch.

00:59:21.087 --> 00:59:23.787
This is an ADCC matchup, right? This is a rematch.

00:59:24.307 --> 00:59:27.767
They had one. I think Craig competed in ADCC against him. He competed them at

00:59:27.767 --> 00:59:32.967
the one that, there's a, the Pacific Northwest had a league for a while that

00:59:32.967 --> 00:59:35.007
they fought in the cage. Yeah. Remember that one?

00:59:35.527 --> 00:59:39.287
This is a rematch. I think Craig's beat him twice. Yeah. So this is,

00:59:39.387 --> 00:59:41.427
it's fun. Yeah, chill rules.

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Chill's cool, dude. It's going to be, no matter what. They better put them on

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the mic. They better put them both on the mic.

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I hope they let them talk beforehand. I'm excited to watch it tonight.

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You don't attach a dude like Chael and not let him speak.

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I'm glad that I have. See, there's a polymarket on that. Oh,

00:59:55.487 --> 00:59:59.067
will Chael Sonnen speak before speak? I bet he talks no matter what.

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He probably calls out Gable Steveson too. Just watch him. Watch him talk shit just the whole time.

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It's just a roast of Gable Steveson. Anderson Silva, you suck.

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Gable Steveson, you suck.

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He probably talks about not having lost still afterwards. He's undefeated.

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That's what he says, right?

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But yeah, so I mean, it's exciting. There's a lot of cool and exciting stuff

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that will happen tonight.

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Hell yeah. And yeah, I mean, but for the most part, I think, should there be a CGI 3?

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Yeah, let's do it. Why not? Why not? Well, let's finish tonight. Let's see.

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But like, these are all the questions that come up because of it.

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Like, is it worth doing CGI 3?

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I think so. I mean, I think it's still, I think it's for a good cause.

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I think that just because a few of you are bummed out and butthurt over it,

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not getting 35 submissions last night.

01:00:55.940 --> 01:01:00.260
There might be 35 submissions tonight. My math was pretty close, 40 submissions. Right.

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But, you know, just because you didn't get all of those submissions,

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like, dude, it's a sport. This is what happens.

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It's just how it goes. It's guys are all really good. People are trying to win.

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They're not like the complaint shouldn't be oh they're all trying to win too

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much yeah they're have the chance to each get two hundred thousand dollars crazy

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it's a lot of fucking money dude,

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i know it's less than a million but for the future too

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like i mean the quintet format this is different than what the ufc is

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doing yeah so like and it's it's cool it's interesting so

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like i think maybe there could be a ufc team oh shit

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oh that would be kind of nice um you

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could bring a team maybe the ufc steals this too and they're like we'll just

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do one of those two what if there's UFC versus who's number one versus one FC

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I would like that that actually that would be a pretty cool CGI we can throw

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some more who's number one just throw them all into the CGI PJF PGF PGF and what am I missing.

01:01:53.100 --> 01:01:57.420
UFC UFC Polaris Polaris got purchased by UFC yeah,

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Okay, so we won't do that one. PJF, ADCC, maybe IBJJF. Well,

01:02:03.119 --> 01:02:04.779
we could do an IBJJF team.

01:02:04.959 --> 01:02:06.979
Why not? Let's just get all the teams. Just get all the teams.

01:02:07.139 --> 01:02:11.659
Get all the brands. Let's battle the federations against each other.

01:02:11.819 --> 01:02:14.159
Battle the federations. That's kind of sick, dude. That's a pretty,

01:02:14.319 --> 01:02:17.019
you know what? Let's do a fighter drinking coffee invitational.

01:02:17.379 --> 01:02:21.519
We need a rich dude, so I need one rich guy. Hit up Moneyberg. Ooh, let's hit up Money.

01:02:22.339 --> 01:02:26.499
It's not Moneyberg. It's not his real name. Whatever. We're going to talk to

01:02:26.499 --> 01:02:27.819
Dale by his real name. Whatever.

01:02:28.119 --> 01:02:32.579
Uh, cause that's, that's, that's how you do business. You can call him his nickname, whatever.

01:02:33.179 --> 01:02:36.959
Uh, but see, we'll get Moneyberg money and we'll start the Fire Drinking Coffee

01:02:36.959 --> 01:02:39.699
Invitational Battle of the Federations. Okay.

01:02:40.239 --> 01:02:43.979
Uh, we'll do it one time and we'll pay people.

01:02:44.639 --> 01:02:49.279
I mean, if Moneyberg's paying, yeah. Yeah. Why not? Fire Drinking Coffee.

01:02:51.099 --> 01:02:56.239
The FTC Invitational. We like to, uh, use other people's money to pay for things. It's great.

01:02:56.719 --> 01:02:58.239
Yeah, of course. it's the best way

01:02:58.239 --> 01:03:01.959
that's that is fighters drinking coffee approved behavior um but yeah so.

01:03:04.499 --> 01:03:07.419
So we've got we think there should be cgi

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3 i think that there's ways they can improve

01:03:10.319 --> 01:03:12.979
on this quintet format but i think that it's a solid base i

01:03:12.979 --> 01:03:15.579
think they've created a good blueprint um i mean

01:03:15.579 --> 01:03:20.519
would you agree with that definitely sick um maybe

01:03:20.519 --> 01:03:23.479
our prediction came true won't matter by

01:03:23.479 --> 01:03:26.539
the time this comes out but we're predicting that it's uh

01:03:26.539 --> 01:03:29.479
our dark horse pick is still australasia we're sticking to

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it uh but the favorite is definitely is obviously new

01:03:32.339 --> 01:03:34.999
wave right now but i i'd like to stick to

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the dark horse pick i think that's fun um but

01:03:38.579 --> 01:03:44.279
yeah a shout out to everybody while we're on current events everybody from masters

01:03:44.279 --> 01:03:49.839
worlds uh because that also just happened um lots of guys bringing home hardware

01:03:49.839 --> 01:03:54.319
student of mine or a training partner of mine because he's kind of a student,

01:03:54.539 --> 01:03:56.079
but training partner of mine, Big John,

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went out there, won double gold. Hell yeah.

01:03:58.979 --> 01:04:03.079
Who else do we know? We knew some of the Knack. Knack got third in his division.

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But yeah, that's the big one. That's a shout out for me.

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So yeah, I mean, it's good stuff. Oh, some people from High Noon.

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I think Maya won Jiu-Jitsu Con. She did.

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So, you know, there's people going out there, getting hardware,

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bringing it home. It's exciting.

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So, you know, lots of big stuff going on this weekend. So that was good to do.

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And we will be back with you guys here soon.

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01:05:05.450 --> 01:05:08.590
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01:05:14.590 --> 01:05:17.570
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