(Ep 14) To Gi or Not to Gi: Navigating Competition Choices

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Welcome back to fighters drinking coffee

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with michael sutherland scott dance and today

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we're going to be talking about gi or no

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gi this is the question um when

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to compete when to compete which one to

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compete in should you do both should you do one

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which one's better i assume that's another thing people

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want to know um so you know

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we're kind of combining two listener questions here um

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we had one is how much should you compete another one

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was gear no gi which one so um

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let's talk about both of those i'm into it i think that uh i also think there's

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some misconceptions about gi and no gi as well that uh would be good to get

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into um so i guess let's start let's start with how often should you?

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Let's start there and then we can kind of, I think that'll blend into which ones nicely, maybe.

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Sure, we're at the shot. That's, I feel like it's a broad question,

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but yeah, let's talk about it.

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When and how often you should compete.

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And I guess my initial reaction sort of is as follows.

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One, I think it depends on what level of experience and competitive background

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you have is, are you a brand new competitor doing this for the first time?

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Are you an intermediate or are you advanced? Have you been competing for years

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at a high level or even not at a high level, just been competing for quite a while?

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And my first, I guess the second thing I'll say to that is, depending on your

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answer, really, it doesn't matter what your answer is to the first question.

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And all of those situations, you should consult with your coach who for all

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intents and purposes in this world is kind of like your manager.

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Yeah, and they should know pretty well like your, you know, they will have a pretty good idea of.

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Vision and goals vision and goals they'll know what you're actually trying to

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accomplish but two they should have a pretty decent idea of like your fight

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economy um your ability to like how much a match or you know how much a match

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will take out of you um because,

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I think that probably plays a pretty good part into,

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how often you can compete I mean there's people that compete every week and

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they're perfectly fine you know like,

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a couple bumps and bruises here and there but like there's

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people who can compete every week and not have like massive shock to

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the nervous system right like competing can be a lot of stress on the body but

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it can also be and on the mind and on the mind um i mean it can apply a lot

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of stress to your systems as a whole but you know your as you said like your experience,

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will start to lessen how much of the stressor that is um and your the more you compete the less.

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Prepare preparation it takes to get ready for the next one um i don't think

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there's really a correct answer i think the correct answer is what you said

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consult with your coach um but i don't think there's a one-size-fits-all answer um,

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you know i think a a good

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amount of competition in a year and i think we've kind of

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touched on that like once a quarter is still a pretty

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i mean you're still competing more frequently than the vast majority of people

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um but you know it just you never eat like you said so um but i mean what's

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what's kind of your sweet spot right now what do you think for me personally

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for me personally yeah well i'm trying to compete a lot this year well so okay

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so let me let me answer that and then,

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get back to sort of what I was into the theater with,

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I don't know.

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My thread or whatever so that's okay

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you didn't derail me I'm

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around good but yeah I'm on the rails

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I mean I think part of it is like alright so there's what

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we just talked about like alright like you're whatever degree

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of experience you're at or whatever your goals are if you've

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been doing this for a long time and you're like a purple brown black belt

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and you're like oh I want to win a major title if that's a

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goal and you've shared that with your coach your coach understands that

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and has helped create a vision or a roadmap for how to do it

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um working backwards from like a

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big goal that excites and motivates you is i

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think a cool um and it's fun it's cool and it's a good way to structure like

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a plan that might take a couple of years but that's a good thing you might if

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you're a coach tell someone all right well you're not just you do this right

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away like thumbs up to you congrats but for a lot of folks it's going to take

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some time to go out and win a major tournament yeah even if you are,

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experienced in the marsh farm i say experience meaning like if

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you're on the mat a lot you've been doing it for a while you may know a pretty good amount about

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jiu-jitsu but you might not be the most um aware competitor because it's something

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i tell people is it's people forget that it's a game going out and competing

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it is a game where there are points there's a time limit there's referees there's

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a mat space there's literally inbounds and out of bounds like any other sport you've played.

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There's just elements of the sport you have to understand. It's not just you being a pretty slick.

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Whatever rank on the mat, obviously that's super helpful.

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That's like the platform or the foundation from which you can merge the martial

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art awareness with being a good competitor.

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But I always say good competitors and good martial artists, it's not inherently

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the same thing. You got to learn how to be a competitor.

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Well, anyways, my point with all that is that you want to have a plan.

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You want to say, all right, you want to win Pan Ams or you want to win like

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a major IBGF tournament. Just to pick an example.

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Yeah. All right, let's work on that for a little while. Let's make that like a.

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You know let's make a plan let's make a two to three year plan for

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how you're going to do it or something like that and so

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from there uh my my getting into

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what i was you directing this question to me i think

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everyone who listens to this and i'm

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certain you can resonate with this too um everyone

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who listens to this will understand like there's other factors of

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life that you have to figure out too like how often can

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my schedule allow me to go and be prepared

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to compete at x level at y

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organization with z level of

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competitors that i need to be compared to face so

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like you have to just have like the venn diagram of like

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what do i want to do and like what am i capable of committing and preparing

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to do um i like the

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ones for quarter example for like maybe like newer or i don't

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even say like that's a fair amount of commitment

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for someone to make to say every three months approximately i'm

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going to go compete it means like three four times a

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year you're going to dedicate the lead-in

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time and preparedness that it takes on the mat and off

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the mat when you're at home like like you're gonna you're gonna modify your

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lifestyle to prepare yourself to be um capable of competing based around like

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life work family or whatever else you have going on but if you know like i have

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like a wedding i'm going to which actually an official in the toilet that i do it.

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I do it every year. So I'm like, that's American nationals. It's American nationals.

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Yeah. Cause it's like the same weekend. Yeah. And you know what I mean?

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I have, I have other tournaments that I'm going to do.

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I'm going to be competing more than once per quarter this year.

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But in the last two years, I've had a multitude of obligations business wise and otherwise.

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Then it's, um, get me from really doing more than that.

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That's about what my clip's been for the last couple of years,

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but I've got some bandwidth now and focus and motivation to go do more.

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And so um you know

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personally i'll probably end up competing six to eight times this

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year which is that's what twice a quarter approximately um

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anyways that's that and i suspect as as time goes on that'll be like that's

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probably the sweet spot for me like the minimum being like three to four years

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because i like doing it i like staying motivated and having it well like i feel

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like it keeps me from getting into trouble yeah you know yeah yeah having tournaments means i'm like not

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going out and drinking hanging out and doing rowdy stuff and staying out late

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so it's like i like having a reason to like keep myself going to bed on time

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and eating clean and you know not that i'm opposed to having some drinks here

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and there and having some fun but

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it gives me the ability to structure my life around

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being like a performance athlete not just a dude

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who's trying to like we can wear it that's just

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personal well and i think i think that kind of touches

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on something that's pretty um pretty important

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with like that spacing too is that i think once you get outside of that once

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a quarter you really get into having to live jujitsu because like or well you

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have to live like an athlete yeah i know exactly what you mean man because like

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once a quarter you can kind of get away with like.

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Every you know one month out of every quarter you're hanging out you know you return to,

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civilian life and you you do like four weeks

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off then you do eight weeks on four so like you can

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still kind of have that um you still

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get a taste of like that non-athletic lifestyle you start

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up you're a little beyond the weekend warrior but you're

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kind of still like uh you're you have a foot in

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two boats yeah you're kind of like a wreck athlete at that

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point you're you're starting to step into that sort of

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um you start to you're kind of

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touching on that like professional athlete lifestyle but

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not year-round i mean so you start you're kind of

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more in like the uh kind of doing like camps

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versus like year-round sport commitment yeah um so it's it's a slightly different

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command but you're still starting to reach into it um like i'll i'll be in that

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like six to eight this year as well depends on a few bookings um and some international travel uh.

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Lockdowns or whatever um but uh

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yeah i mean so it's a similar i'm in a similar boat

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with that like frequency and yeah like when you're competing when

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you're looking at competing like every other month or

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in some cases like it'll be twice a month and you

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really don't take major time off because

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you're you're kind of always in you know quote unquote to

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your camp right like you don't get

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you get a very small amount of reset time um

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and like i'm still gonna be

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i'm i'm also still traveling within

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a lot of that and so you you really have to stay sharp because otherwise you

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end up like you end up with all of these things that you also have obligations

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outside there's a lot of opportunity to like stray from the path and so if you're not really locked in.

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Weddings for example i'm also going to a wedding and like you kind of have to

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make it as you have to have to balance that with your goals and competition

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as well so like staying within,

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once you start to expand it those things become like a bigger deal in terms of how you manage.

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Um but you know you're right it's a different answer for every single person

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well and for some repeat it dude like that is yeah yeah i get it i mean i'd

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say for some keep for a lot of people probably that foot in two boats i guess

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to call it that way where so let's say it's once a quarter,

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or whatever where like you can have that balance between like part-time focusing

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taking your your goal seriously but then also giving yourself even maybe the

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other half of the quarter since you're If we're using that analogy,

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once a quarter you're competing,

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the other half of your quarter to live a normal life, that might be a good balance

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for a lot of people just to not overdo it.

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I don't think the full-on commitment is for everybody, or maybe not for everybody

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for long periods of time.

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Maybe for short periods of time, people can get dialed in and say,

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for two years I did this and I really liked it.

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But my vision for my life is just what I want out of this sport.

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I don't need doing X, Y, and Z. um but you i think every person just makes that

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decision organically on their own and they decide,

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what's a good fit for them and the ems and flows too

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like like you're saying there like they might be they might have peak years

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and in drought years and right so well yeah and and so i mean speaking as someone

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who does cultivate my life around this it's uh you have to be willing to say no to a lot of things.

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Like almost everything.

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And if you're capable and willing of doing that to adhere to a plan or a goal

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that you have, I think that's good.

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A thousand women like here you're going to skip out on a lot of things like

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people go out and do for fun not that you can't do some of that too in your life but,

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I guess my point is saying there's a lot of focus so you have to really want

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to do that and well anyways like to the core of the question like if that's

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how you're handling things and that's all of that I think is related to us saying we want to like

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encourage people to like talk to their coach figure out like really think about

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what you want and what you're capable of doing and what commitment and sacrifice

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you're going to make do it,

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then you talk to your coach about like when we're going to go compete,

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where we're going to go compete, what organization am I competing in and what

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caliber of opponents and athletes am I likely to face and therefore how much

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work do I need to be at that level and competitive at that level.

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And you come up with a plan. And you also have to account for what support we'll

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have at those tournaments and those competitions because there's some like.

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There's one I'm looking at that someone from I might not have a coach available

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from my gym but I think we're probably going to Louisville together so I thought

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you were talking about Masters Worlds also that no no no not Masters Worlds,

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Nogi Worlds Nogi Worlds is in December but there's some where we're both going

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to be at so there's you'll have a sense of support you have to understand there's

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a different preparation and so you have those If you're going alone,

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you also have to consider that.

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How do I keep myself on track? There's actually, I would say,

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more preparation for that.

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Maybe how do I have my support system if I'm not going to have one?

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I think even that takes... You just have to know yourself and how you handle situations like that.

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I've competed by myself quite a bit. I weirdly do well on my own.

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I don't know why. I kind of like it. Maybe I feel like there's fewer distractions

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or I can just get locked in.

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I don't mind doing it. Yeah. It is kind of stressful, but, um,

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it's different stress though.

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It's just different. It's, it's different, but I mean, to me,

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it's still all, you know, it's, it's all jujitsu tournaments to end the day.

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But, um, but you mean to your point, man, like, yeah, like what there's like,

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it's like logistical planning.

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Like, all right, well, is there going to be a coach? Well, I have teammates,

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uh, looking four to six weeks back from the event itself that you're planning

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out, like what kind of preparation will I need to do?

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So for example, September in Kentucky, in Louisville, Kentucky.

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Louisville, Kentucky. Whereas the people that are saying Louisville.

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Louisville. It's just one word. Sound. But whatever.

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That's an ADCC tournament, which is different than IDJF, which means you have to think about that.

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You have to think about what you're going to do differently under a different rule set.

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I mean, it's still jujitsu slash wrestling. It's still grappling, but it is different.

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So you you know you want to plan ahead accordingly you want to start training and modifying rule sets.

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And um and you know look the original well one of the original questions was

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like ye versus no i think this is actually kind of related to that a little

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bit too which is like all right what modifications will i need to make on my

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training and preparation to be at my best for that tournament,

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i'll give you an example i had a fight to win tournament recently i didn't win

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um i've been And one of the things that I've diagnosed for myself on that,

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I think is related to this, is modifying the way you play those games.

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Like, I've been doing so much IBJJF versus sub-only style tournaments that requires

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different decision-making.

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It's part of my ears. One of my problems in the match was that.

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Like, which fighting, making an adjustment on a style. Howdy, partner.

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Making an adjustment mid-match.

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Fighting with one style of fighting and these sorts of things can can cause

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problems is all i'm saying but so anyways the point is that like all right like adcc

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is different than ivg like you should look back maybe i

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said four to six maybe it should be six to eight weeks but whatever that amount of

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time as you do this consultative work with your coach come up

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with a plan and it's not always some major grandiose phrase

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the adjustment to the way you prepare but it could be one or two little things

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that you just you start making those changes in your training in

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advance to prepare for that rule set so you're

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out there and you're right because abcc is different there's no

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points the first half of the match no points the second half of the match no

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points you're allowed to get the second of the match scored a lot differently

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than they are at ibgf some styles of the martial art your style you'll do well

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have you done an adcc before i've done adcc rules but i haven't done some i

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know i've done the rule set before but i haven't done um because.

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I think the USG had it, the same rule set. They played with a lot of rule sets back in the day.

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I think we did a couple USGs that had a modified ADCC rule set.

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Okay. So I'm familiar, but I haven't done an ADCC.

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Stylistically, I'll still need to play. Well, you know, the thing,

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I think someone like you versus, let's say, a guard player, for example.

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And different styles will all find a way to win in that rule set.

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However, your style, it's good.

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It's well crafted for the ADCC. um

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top attack being willing to stand up and wrestle and not

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capitulate points and kick you literally cannot sit

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down unless there are circumstances for how

00:18:15.901 --> 00:18:19.181
you quote unquote pull guard in in

00:18:19.181 --> 00:18:21.901
adcc jiu-jitsu that's not something you do that's actually an

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advantage so anyways my point being like you know you're

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you may not have a ton of things you can change about what you personally you

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might tell them we'll do for that but like nonetheless you want to figure it

00:18:31.001 --> 00:18:35.801
through um but anyways back to what i was saying about like working planning

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and like in collaborating with your coaches like hey here are the things i want

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to do here's some you know adcc sounds fun let's say it's someone in the new

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like i've never done it before you've.

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Someone who's like, I'd like to do that once. I want to do one a quarter.

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I want to do this. It might be Jeff in Virginia in July. I want to do that.

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I want to do the one in February.

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I want to do an ADCC in September and then something.

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Nogi Worlds in December. So there's like once a quarter right there.

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All big, fun, cool tournaments.

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Talk to your coach. Try to figure out when you're going to be around to put in the work. Yeah.

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How often are you going to be on the mat? Are you doing strength and conditioning?

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How prepared are you going to be? and like and by the way everything i'm

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saying i don't know i imagine like this

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is probably more serious than a lot of folks will even take that and like

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again this goes back to that like hey how seriously do i want to take martial arts

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perspective um some people are out there

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a little more casual but i'm gonna do this is just fun yeah and that's fine

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too but just know yourself know your goals and know what you want how you how

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you want um what you want out of these competitions is experience do you just

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want to get some um some mileage in a competitive setting or do you want to

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go there and you're like i'm going to be the goddamn champion,

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those are all different ways to think about it and the champions

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and regular folks come in all shapes and sizes there's no one way

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for that these different architects or whatever these

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styles of people to um adjust

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their mental preparedness to to what they're doing but

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um these are factors right i mean should we talk about the g thing too a little

00:20:06.141 --> 00:20:09.561
bit i think it's related to these adjustments too yeah i mean i think and i

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think there's i think that actually kind of it's a good lead into on the misconceptions

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about the differences um i think a lot of people.

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Especially as you get into master's divisions want to

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gravitate towards gi because they have a

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they believe that gi is a slower game which

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i don't think isn't 100 true most of my

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faster paced matches have been in the gi um my nogi matches tend to feel slower

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i feel like there's a lot more I think there's more pace control in the gi and

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I think that leads to a misconception of it being a slower game.

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Obviously there's depends on weight classes and skill levels I also think Masters

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plays a factor more too now we're talking about time limits too true the time

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limits change when you watch adult black belt matches you do 10 minute matches

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there is a ton of pace 10 minutes even for a 23 year old there's a fucking ton

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of time yeah but 5 or 6 minutes,

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You don't have a lot of time. You've got to move quick.

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You've got to start scoring. You've got to make shit happen.

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Score, sub. You've got to attack.

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So to your point, it may look like not a lot's happening, but a lot is happening.

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Oh, yeah. Pace control is super important.

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When you have half of the time with it.

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The whole matches for for example or just a short time like

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action is taking place more quickly because dudes

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are trying to make the win take place in a

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short amount of time yeah they have to they have to secure their points

00:21:39.740 --> 00:21:42.880
or get to their sub their submission or if they're

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already down they have a lot less time to work back so

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yeah i mean there's there's definitely the urgency is

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grayer in masters because you have a

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smaller time frame um depending on

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how high up in the masters you might

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you know you might have a slower capacity a

00:22:02.340 --> 00:22:05.480
lower capacity for pace which i think is the idea behind putting

00:22:05.480 --> 00:22:08.280
the shorter time frames um i mean

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i'm barely in masters so like you're barely masters

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they're basically still there's we're six minutes we're basically still adult

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age competitors good i mean a lot of organizations for adults adcc does six

00:22:21.420 --> 00:22:25.660
minutes yeah for for like trials they don't start expanding the the time limits

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until you get finals or you get to actual ADCC world audition.

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I think six minutes is a good time. Well, it's entertaining too.

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People don't want to watch 10 minutes of two guys playing lapel guards and not a lot happening.

00:22:40.580 --> 00:22:44.780
Whatever. I think it's still a good contest.

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I like those time divisions. I actually think a lot of organizations

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are out there barring a few of the bigger ones

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where they're um putting like headline level

00:22:55.640 --> 00:22:58.540
competition in one game like who's number one does i think like 20 minutes

00:22:58.540 --> 00:23:01.420
to 30 minutes for like main event matches it is but

00:23:01.420 --> 00:23:04.680
it could be like really interesting when you get like gordon ryan versus whoever yeah

00:23:04.680 --> 00:23:08.640
depending on who the the talent is yeah but but for the most part i think a

00:23:08.640 --> 00:23:12.200
lot of like we've talked about this in the past not to derail us but i think

00:23:12.200 --> 00:23:15.940
a lot of these organizations who are trying to become like they're trying to

00:23:15.940 --> 00:23:19.580
draw up the business and entertainment value of this martial art to go mainstream

00:23:19.580 --> 00:23:23.220
and eventually get paid and pay athletes um i think they're finding that like that.

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Short but not too short let's say six minute like timing

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it for a good matchup it it brings out

00:23:29.300 --> 00:23:32.640
the best of the product um and yeah

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i mean if you are listening to this and you

00:23:35.300 --> 00:23:38.040
train you know how difficult and physically task in

00:23:38.040 --> 00:23:40.740
the five to six minute round can be with a good

00:23:40.740 --> 00:23:43.500
competitor um and if don't don't train you

00:23:43.500 --> 00:23:46.620
don't listen just trust me honestly you can very hard so like you'll you'll

00:23:46.620 --> 00:23:49.600
it's not like it's it's easy mode

00:23:49.600 --> 00:23:52.700
so to speak um well in this time limits

00:23:52.700 --> 00:23:55.860
knowing what those are also determines your

00:23:55.860 --> 00:23:58.900
strategy your strategy what how long

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i mean you have to train for the time limit so if you're

00:24:01.540 --> 00:24:04.720
if you're training for six minutes you're training at

00:24:04.720 --> 00:24:09.780
a you know shape shout out to our strength and conditioning coach seeing like

00:24:09.780 --> 00:24:15.320
he specifically has the cardio built for those six-minute matches um so that

00:24:15.320 --> 00:24:19.100
you are putting out the right amount of output for that amount of time and you're

00:24:19.100 --> 00:24:22.640
ready to go so like you have to that's something you have to consider um.

00:24:24.230 --> 00:24:27.910
Stay on the verge here the break

00:24:27.910 --> 00:24:30.770
off but like you have to consider that time

00:24:30.770 --> 00:24:33.430
frame when you're training you're talking a little bit

00:24:33.430 --> 00:24:36.250
about the preparation so like if you're training for that

00:24:36.250 --> 00:24:40.810
versus a 10-minute match you're training massively that's right as it relates

00:24:40.810 --> 00:24:46.330
to gi versus no gi i i my attitude has always been for students or for myself

00:24:46.330 --> 00:24:49.570
like what's fun and motivating for you like what are your goals like do you

00:24:49.570 --> 00:24:52.430
know look if you want to be if

00:24:52.430 --> 00:24:55.210
you want to get promoted in Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu, you need to wear the gi.

00:24:55.490 --> 00:24:58.670
You need to be in front of your professor in the gi. This kind of academy and

00:24:58.670 --> 00:25:01.850
affiliation is dependent a little bit. Some places will.

00:25:04.130 --> 00:25:08.150
Reward no-gi guys with a gi belt. Some places do it, some places don't.

00:25:09.610 --> 00:25:13.970
I put it this way. You just have to ask yourself, I think it's like, what motivates you?

00:25:14.190 --> 00:25:19.210
What keeps you excited about competing? If you want to be, so to speak,

00:25:19.310 --> 00:25:21.510
a dual athlete, gi and no-gi,

00:25:22.710 --> 00:25:26.930
they are kind of like it's the same game but different sports I don't know if

00:25:26.930 --> 00:25:29.410
that's the right way to put it but you know what I'm saying there's a difference

00:25:29.410 --> 00:25:33.210
there's a difference there's a difference in how you play each one when there

00:25:33.210 --> 00:25:35.270
are specialists in both yeah so,

00:25:36.350 --> 00:25:40.850
but it's up to you at the end of the day you're like hey I there are guys now

00:25:40.850 --> 00:25:45.250
who always exclusively focus on no and there are guys who exclusively focus

00:25:45.250 --> 00:25:46.970
on he and there are guys who do both,

00:25:47.830 --> 00:25:53.130
people who do both really well and then I'll say generally the specialists ends

00:25:53.130 --> 00:25:57.130
up rising to the top the most although there are people who can do both and

00:25:57.130 --> 00:25:58.670
beat those specialists.

00:25:58.870 --> 00:26:04.670
It happens but specialists in both environments tend to rise to the top.

00:26:05.510 --> 00:26:08.170
Whatever. Doesn't matter. It's sort of like what do you want to do?

00:26:08.390 --> 00:26:10.590
What do you want your career to look like?

00:26:11.550 --> 00:26:15.850
I think it all goes back to you as an individual. What are your goals? What's fun?

00:26:17.510 --> 00:26:20.390
You don't necessarily care about being the best nubby

00:26:20.390 --> 00:26:23.050
grappler in the world you just really like grabbing you feel like both of them

00:26:23.050 --> 00:26:25.770
are fun and it's engaging sometimes you want to change things up a little

00:26:25.770 --> 00:26:29.910
bit you're like i don't want to neglect my gear skills um i'm

00:26:29.910 --> 00:26:32.610
gonna go do some guitar this may not be my number one focus we

00:26:32.610 --> 00:26:36.470
don't once out of the once per quarter um across

00:26:36.470 --> 00:26:39.270
the year if you balance it but it's like hey like

00:26:39.270 --> 00:26:42.330
i don't want to neglect my gear i just think it's it's fun and it's cool for

00:26:42.330 --> 00:26:45.910
me to keep doing that i really enjoy it i'll be it maybe i'm not as good as

00:26:45.910 --> 00:26:49.570
i am nogi but still just want to push myself nothing wrong with that yeah but

00:26:49.570 --> 00:26:53.310
nonetheless that's what I'm doing like I'm doing the locals I'll do like so

00:26:53.310 --> 00:26:57.630
for the local opens I'm doing G but when we're traveling I'm not going to do,

00:26:58.340 --> 00:27:00.280
Maybe you want to be a little more competitive at those. Yeah.

00:27:00.520 --> 00:27:02.680
Like when you're traveling. Especially when you're traveling long. You're paying for it.

00:27:03.540 --> 00:27:06.720
Rather than paying for two divisions too. Well, it's also like you want to send

00:27:06.720 --> 00:27:08.460
your ass out to wherever you're going. Yeah.

00:27:08.820 --> 00:27:12.720
I want to get a goddamn medal. Yeah. I want to. You know. It's up to you.

00:27:12.860 --> 00:27:15.580
But that's another dependent thing too. Yeah. Sort of like what do you want on?

00:27:15.880 --> 00:27:20.080
Well, and it being when you're doing it locally, like I'm going home at the end of the day.

00:27:20.400 --> 00:27:22.920
Like there's a difference to you. Is it research and development?

00:27:23.080 --> 00:27:25.760
Is it like there's like I would kind of call it like R&D versus like,

00:27:25.840 --> 00:27:27.380
you know, like I don't know, going out to the market.

00:27:27.580 --> 00:27:29.740
Yeah. If you want to use that kind of metaphor, but you're right.

00:27:29.860 --> 00:27:31.500
It's sort of like, that's a good example.

00:27:31.760 --> 00:27:34.440
You're like, hey, like this local stuff, it's low maintenance for me.

00:27:34.560 --> 00:27:37.100
It's low stress. For me, it's about getting better.

00:27:37.380 --> 00:27:42.900
Well, and I do both because we have a large like affiliation team presence.

00:27:43.260 --> 00:27:46.880
So doing both, there's a higher chance of getting more team points too.

00:27:47.020 --> 00:27:50.000
There you go. So there's a difference there. Whereas if I'm traveling, there's less people.

00:27:50.260 --> 00:27:53.960
It's less likely that there's team points to even worry about too.

00:27:53.960 --> 00:27:57.160
So um you know doing both locally

00:27:57.160 --> 00:28:00.160
to really show for the team and then i'm traveling

00:28:00.160 --> 00:28:03.080
it's maybe a little more individual for you a little more of an individual yeah

00:28:03.080 --> 00:28:05.940
it makes a lot of sense and i like that you said that too about the

00:28:05.940 --> 00:28:08.820
team thing too because like that's something that we don't talk about enough

00:28:08.820 --> 00:28:11.860
it's like be a team guy it's it's awesome

00:28:11.860 --> 00:28:14.800
people who wrestle would understand it's an individual sport with

00:28:14.800 --> 00:28:17.820
a team it's a with a team aspect um like

00:28:17.820 --> 00:28:20.940
there there is a team involved but like you

00:28:20.940 --> 00:28:23.640
were you can only control your portion of it

00:28:23.640 --> 00:28:26.600
obviously so like your matches what you're in control of

00:28:26.600 --> 00:28:29.300
but how you do in

00:28:29.300 --> 00:28:33.520
those affects the hole in a different way um like

00:28:33.520 --> 00:28:36.300
how far you get before you lose and

00:28:36.300 --> 00:28:39.080
like so there's there's other strategies involved from the

00:28:39.080 --> 00:28:42.300
team aspect of it versus how you're

00:28:42.300 --> 00:28:47.900
going to do it as a so there's more to it sure you but um that's not all the

00:28:47.900 --> 00:28:52.420
time there's i mean that could probably be a whole the depth of that that is

00:28:52.420 --> 00:28:56.300
an interesting thread that yeah i'm with you man because i i really appreciate

00:28:56.300 --> 00:28:59.280
people who value teams that are loyal to teams.

00:29:00.033 --> 00:29:03.073
You know, like it's, it's again, tangent for sure.

00:29:03.293 --> 00:29:08.253
But because this is definitely a sport and an environment that's dominated by

00:29:08.253 --> 00:29:12.673
it, it's, it's, it's prevalent that there are individuals who think very individually

00:29:12.673 --> 00:29:14.193
how to do, they're like mercenaries.

00:29:14.533 --> 00:29:17.633
Yeah. People float around, they're really have a loyalty dating once they're

00:29:17.633 --> 00:29:20.353
two minutes to themselves. And like, sometimes those people do really well.

00:29:20.773 --> 00:29:24.073
A lot of times they don't because they don't have a team listed to.

00:29:24.073 --> 00:29:29.433
The longevity of an athlete who has a team and a coach, and they're thinking

00:29:29.433 --> 00:29:32.913
about investing in other people's success that can ultimately help them too.

00:29:32.913 --> 00:29:36.593
I think a lot of those people struggle in the long run because they've alienated themselves.

00:29:36.933 --> 00:29:41.153
Well, we've talked about the concept of like how we talked about in the cross

00:29:41.153 --> 00:29:46.073
training episode about how there's, you kind of have like a home base, right?

00:29:46.213 --> 00:29:51.533
And like, that's, that is your headquarters. That's where you go for your actual coaching.

00:29:51.973 --> 00:29:55.133
And then you have other places you can go for training but

00:29:55.133 --> 00:29:58.713
like if you don't have that headquarters you don't have right right

00:29:58.713 --> 00:30:01.853
like and um so you kind of miss out on

00:30:01.853 --> 00:30:08.273
actual development yep so there there's well you can you can come and you're

00:30:08.273 --> 00:30:11.073
right that is what you call back to that episode where like there are guys like

00:30:11.073 --> 00:30:15.193
you can find a way to like get that experience and exposure to like other folks

00:30:15.193 --> 00:30:16.333
in communities while like you

00:30:16.333 --> 00:30:20.373
said coming back to hq having a coach having like a home base so to speak.

00:30:21.133 --> 00:30:24.653
That helps connect all the dots on your overall progression you're still getting

00:30:24.653 --> 00:30:29.193
that exposure to other people a good example for that would be like I'm saying

00:30:29.193 --> 00:30:32.933
I'm a fighters cam too yeah cam shot out the camera he won his belt yesterday

00:30:32.933 --> 00:30:35.913
in Austin Texas yeah the one I need five foot for.

00:30:36.546 --> 00:30:39.386
Uh you should have the name of the organization uh he was at bt

00:30:39.386 --> 00:30:42.566
bjj world championship i think cool but

00:30:42.566 --> 00:30:45.366
either way it's shout out to him for because he does

00:30:45.366 --> 00:30:48.686
a good job at this i'll put in a second oh yeah um but

00:30:48.686 --> 00:30:51.326
yeah i mean yeah he does a good job he goes and he

00:30:51.326 --> 00:30:54.126
trains a few different places he's that push that different

00:30:54.126 --> 00:30:57.046
look but he's all you know he's always home you know

00:30:57.046 --> 00:30:59.946
he's always kind of certainly at all back to home and

00:30:59.946 --> 00:31:03.206
uh silverback or ascend yep i think they use both uh

00:31:03.206 --> 00:31:05.986
depending but so you know it all kind of comes back to

00:31:05.986 --> 00:31:08.766
the same place um so you

00:31:08.766 --> 00:31:11.906
have that person to tie everything you learned and other good examples

00:31:11.906 --> 00:31:15.026
in the may fighters will have like their own gym that

00:31:15.026 --> 00:31:18.046
they train out of but they'll go do camps in different places

00:31:18.046 --> 00:31:20.986
depending on what they need to pick up

00:31:20.986 --> 00:31:24.866
like what things they need for that specific fight

00:31:24.866 --> 00:31:28.506
or in our case event like tournament based

00:31:28.506 --> 00:31:31.586
on what you're trying to learn you might need to go train with different people

00:31:31.586 --> 00:31:35.506
because they might have the tools you need to be the most successful um

00:31:35.506 --> 00:31:38.306
so you kind of end that you

00:31:38.306 --> 00:31:41.526
end up having these this travel

00:31:41.526 --> 00:31:46.126
for training or you know in some cases not far like you might be going just

00:31:46.126 --> 00:31:51.586
down town yeah across town down the road whatever um it's a worthwhile experience

00:31:51.586 --> 00:31:55.226
to yeah it's it's a slightly different you're training with different people

00:31:55.226 --> 00:31:59.926
um and yeah i mean you're you're getting um.

00:32:00.789 --> 00:32:03.549
Silent uh yeah bjj world

00:32:03.549 --> 00:32:10.789
champions okay um yeah so your uh shout out to cam um yeah so like you're you

00:32:10.789 --> 00:32:15.789
have you have that that common thread though um so you know talked about the

00:32:15.789 --> 00:32:19.569
glue on a different episode like having that thing that that brings it all together

00:32:19.569 --> 00:32:21.209
and the person who knows you.

00:32:22.249 --> 00:32:24.949
Um because that other gym they don't

00:32:24.949 --> 00:32:27.929
they don't know you the same way that the person you've been training with for

00:32:27.929 --> 00:32:30.989
eight years or whatever how they

00:32:30.989 --> 00:32:33.829
know you right so there there's there is

00:32:33.829 --> 00:32:36.709
a difference there which is important to

00:32:36.709 --> 00:32:40.029
recognize especially for people that we've all

00:32:40.029 --> 00:32:43.329
we've both known people that have gone to

00:32:43.329 --> 00:32:46.429
the shiny new place because they think it's going to make them a better competitor

00:32:46.429 --> 00:32:49.329
in reality it's like hey like you could have stuck

00:32:49.329 --> 00:32:52.409
with place you were at and probably

00:32:52.409 --> 00:32:55.149
done just as well and still gone and trained at this other

00:32:55.149 --> 00:32:58.349
place but the level of

00:32:58.349 --> 00:33:01.409
people at a gym doesn't always reflect on the level

00:33:01.409 --> 00:33:05.069
of that coach to coach you and it

00:33:05.069 --> 00:33:08.009
could be you could go there and it could be the perfect

00:33:08.009 --> 00:33:11.389
fit for you not to rule that out too like that's possible but

00:33:11.389 --> 00:33:14.109
um you know it's it's important to

00:33:14.109 --> 00:33:16.869
consider that i guess it's yeah 100 well i

00:33:16.869 --> 00:33:19.909
mean i think just to put a bow on it like really what

00:33:19.909 --> 00:33:22.969
we're doing here you've done this i think probably multiple episodes it's

00:33:22.969 --> 00:33:26.189
no surprise we have we are who we are maybe thoughts but

00:33:26.189 --> 00:33:29.009
it does come back to like knowing what you want

00:33:29.009 --> 00:33:34.949
long term consulting with your coach having a bit gee no gee whatever know yourself

00:33:34.949 --> 00:33:39.709
and what you want to do what you're capable of um have a plan like have a really

00:33:39.709 --> 00:33:43.709
the end of the day like whatever your what ends up happening is you'll you'll

00:33:43.709 --> 00:33:48.129
pick your tournaments and you'll decide you'll map it out you'll book them or whatever.

00:33:48.729 --> 00:33:53.229
And you're just going to end up it just all that really does in my opinion is

00:33:53.229 --> 00:33:57.649
it just informs the daily you're just going to be making at whatever gym you're at anyways,

00:33:58.109 --> 00:34:02.009
so like all these things do is they really tell you okay well I'm competing

00:34:02.009 --> 00:34:05.229
in eight weeks I'm going to district martial arts every day or whatever.

00:34:06.119 --> 00:34:08.439
What do I do differently now? What am I going to, how am I going to.

00:34:09.239 --> 00:34:13.379
How am I going to structure my behaviors and my work when I'm on the mat?

00:34:13.919 --> 00:34:17.519
Again, off the mat as well to prepare for these things.

00:34:17.679 --> 00:34:23.139
So it gives you like some, some intention behind the time you spend in these

00:34:23.139 --> 00:34:25.039
damn gyms that we're in. No, I'm not going to stop.

00:34:25.479 --> 00:34:28.879
So, you know, because I mean, I love training, honestly.

00:34:29.239 --> 00:34:32.219
Yeah. It's not mundane to me, but like, I guess it could be for some people

00:34:32.219 --> 00:34:34.639
who don't really have, I mean, people quit gyms because they don't really have

00:34:34.639 --> 00:34:38.559
any direction or any structure And with this, this gives you a way to say, all right, cool.

00:34:38.679 --> 00:34:39.679
Well, like I've got eight weeks

00:34:39.679 --> 00:34:44.479
and I do six mat sessions a week with the following training partners.

00:34:44.699 --> 00:34:48.459
Like I have to be ready to do X, Y, and Z at this tournament.

00:34:48.619 --> 00:34:52.239
Like when I'm on the mat, I have 20 sessions or 24 sessions a month.

00:34:52.499 --> 00:34:54.339
If you're on the mat six times, right? Yeah.

00:34:54.859 --> 00:35:01.179
To every time I do, every time I'm, I've got that hour to two hours or whenever on the mat,

00:35:01.679 --> 00:35:04.819
what are the things i need to take away from

00:35:04.819 --> 00:35:08.279
each session to prepare for this next run

00:35:08.279 --> 00:35:11.419
on it so anyways the point is that it makes everything very intentional

00:35:11.419 --> 00:35:14.579
that gives you some motivation something specific

00:35:14.579 --> 00:35:18.799
and tangible to work on potentially it's with your coach right you have to you

00:35:18.799 --> 00:35:22.559
you want other you want some strategic guidance or tactical guidance on what

00:35:22.559 --> 00:35:25.519
you want to do definitely or what you maybe it's not always different it's the

00:35:25.519 --> 00:35:28.299
same same but like get better at it like you're making adjustments you're trying

00:35:28.299 --> 00:35:32.079
to improve in advance of these goals so it just gives you,

00:35:32.839 --> 00:35:38.099
some structure to whether you're competing or not if you're on the mat all the time.

00:35:38.879 --> 00:35:43.659
You're on the mat all the damn time so this makes that time more useful it gives

00:35:43.659 --> 00:35:46.939
you more value it gives you more.

00:35:48.359 --> 00:35:49.779
Intent to extract.

00:35:50.806 --> 00:35:53.486
Takeaways when you're trying rather than just showing up and getting it done

00:35:53.486 --> 00:35:57.006
and then leaving which like again a lot of people want to do that's no problem but

00:35:57.006 --> 00:36:00.126
preparation being very thoughtful about

00:36:00.126 --> 00:36:03.106
preparation yeah excuse me i think is uh is

00:36:03.106 --> 00:36:05.946
what i'm saying and um talk to your coach

00:36:05.946 --> 00:36:09.006
yeah and um it's actually been pretty it's it's

00:36:09.006 --> 00:36:12.586
pretty cool too you get to see you um you

00:36:12.586 --> 00:36:15.886
get to see people take when they decide they're

00:36:15.886 --> 00:36:19.206
going to compete or in some instances you

00:36:19.206 --> 00:36:22.066
have a bunch of people getting ready to compete and it starts to drag other people

00:36:22.066 --> 00:36:25.166
in um but seeing people

00:36:25.166 --> 00:36:28.186
figure those things out of like oh like

00:36:28.186 --> 00:36:30.826
i'm about to compete like what things do i

00:36:30.826 --> 00:36:33.666
need to work on or like they notice hey like

00:36:33.666 --> 00:36:36.806
i could use some additional strength or cardio work

00:36:36.806 --> 00:36:40.006
in me so they go and get a like i had um i

00:36:40.006 --> 00:36:43.166
was into seams uh on friday and he

00:36:43.166 --> 00:36:45.906
was like hey like a couple of your boys just reached out to sign

00:36:45.906 --> 00:36:49.206
up because like people start to realize that or you

00:36:49.206 --> 00:36:52.106
know they might be like hey you know i want to work i i need to work on my

00:36:52.106 --> 00:36:54.786
strength in my weight class or i need i'm gonna need

00:36:54.786 --> 00:36:57.706
more cardio or um there's other

00:36:57.706 --> 00:37:00.746
they start to they start to think about other things outside of just the jiu-jitsu

00:37:00.746 --> 00:37:06.586
if they especially they feel like they're getting the jiu-jitsu they need um

00:37:06.586 --> 00:37:11.686
and so they start to really do think what the things off the mat yeah off the

00:37:11.686 --> 00:37:16.606
mat like there's other alluded to it so you can see the people that yeah that

00:37:16.606 --> 00:37:18.266
get serious about it and Like.

00:37:18.386 --> 00:37:22.126
They might only do, like, a couple competitions a year, but, like, they...

00:37:23.421 --> 00:37:28.561
They want to create the lifestyle around the competition, even if it's, you know, in bursts.

00:37:28.901 --> 00:37:32.081
Yeah, it's good for you, man. It's good. And there's plenty of people that,

00:37:32.201 --> 00:37:33.941
and I think it's beneficial.

00:37:34.921 --> 00:37:39.121
I don't think that, kind of going back to the first question,

00:37:39.421 --> 00:37:41.061
I don't think everyone has to compete.

00:37:41.361 --> 00:37:46.501
I don't think there's a finite amount of competition that you should be doing

00:37:46.501 --> 00:37:50.201
for your jiu-jitsu, even. Like, not even just for, like, sport-wise.

00:37:50.701 --> 00:37:53.581
Jiu-jitsu progression i don't i

00:37:53.581 --> 00:37:58.241
don't think you need to be doing an amount of competition um it's individual

00:37:58.241 --> 00:38:03.721
specific it's individual specific yeah i think you progress faster if you compete

00:38:03.721 --> 00:38:07.821
more because you learn a lot more about your jiu-jitsu and so you start to figure

00:38:07.821 --> 00:38:12.401
if you you troubleshoot the jiu-jitsu a lot faster you sort of figure out more jiu-jitsu faster,

00:38:12.881 --> 00:38:16.561
um i don't know if that's like the correct wording of it i know what you're

00:38:16.561 --> 00:38:19.481
saying i think it's commensurate with like your ambition and your drive and

00:38:19.481 --> 00:38:20.981
you're like hey how high up this,

00:38:21.641 --> 00:38:24.641
hole and pole if you want to call it that like how far do i want to go yeah

00:38:24.641 --> 00:38:27.761
um and what am i capable of doing and then just keep pushing yourself

00:38:27.761 --> 00:38:32.221
it's an individual thing like and making that question

00:38:32.221 --> 00:38:36.941
or concept i think it depends on the human being like i've known people who

00:38:36.941 --> 00:38:40.121
have like crazy potential on top and i just don't seem to give a shit it's okay

00:38:40.121 --> 00:38:42.821
yeah they're like no i don't really want to my dude you i had a conversation

00:38:42.821 --> 00:38:50.141
with a kid on my on the mat um a couple days ago who is doing really well in the game.

00:38:50.781 --> 00:38:53.801
Well, he should have done a purple belt probably like two years ago.

00:38:53.941 --> 00:38:55.461
He's nasty, he's beating everyone's ass.

00:38:56.981 --> 00:39:00.861
And he's fine, he's not doing anything malicious. Look, he's like dogging people

00:39:00.861 --> 00:39:03.561
in my class and I'm like watching him like, fuck that. I pulled him aside,

00:39:03.641 --> 00:39:04.101
I was like, I need to talk to you,

00:39:04.850 --> 00:39:07.590
And I was like, I thought maybe I was like, maybe he thinks I'm pissed at him or something.

00:39:07.970 --> 00:39:10.590
But I was like, well, I actually wanted to think that for a few minutes.

00:39:10.950 --> 00:39:13.930
And then after I was like, see what I'm... Yeah, I was having a little fun with

00:39:13.930 --> 00:39:14.990
it. But I was like, you know what, dude?

00:39:15.090 --> 00:39:17.390
Like, I thought almost, I was like, man, like, you know, have you been thinking

00:39:17.390 --> 00:39:19.090
about competing? Because I think you do really well.

00:39:19.710 --> 00:39:23.090
And he was like, he's open to it, but he was a little like, I don't know.

00:39:23.330 --> 00:39:25.710
Like one of those kind of things. I'm like, all right, well,

00:39:25.710 --> 00:39:28.210
it's up to you. And I just think you would do really well.

00:39:28.590 --> 00:39:33.110
Like, you've got some fucking potential, man. Like, he's savaging people, right?

00:39:33.970 --> 00:39:37.530
But you know the point being maybe he doesn't care maybe he's like dude this

00:39:37.530 --> 00:39:41.890
is fun for me he doesn't want to he doesn't want to bring it to that he's had

00:39:41.890 --> 00:39:44.830
some injuries in the past he told me and he's like you know I've competed before,

00:39:45.310 --> 00:39:48.210
we had a good chat and I think he kind of like I think I

00:39:48.490 --> 00:39:51.450
give him a little I give him a bite I give him something to think about and

00:39:51.450 --> 00:39:54.650
chew on it and digest it and he'll come back in like a week or two and say alright

00:39:54.650 --> 00:39:59.710
I think maybe I could do it but you know I can't force the guy I want to encourage

00:39:59.710 --> 00:40:02.390
him no for real I want to encourage this dude I think he would do really well,

00:40:04.550 --> 00:40:08.890
and I can introduce him to the idea and let him come on. That's what I'm doing.

00:40:09.090 --> 00:40:12.070
Let him come to me and say, yeah, dude, I think I do want to give a shot at that.

00:40:12.830 --> 00:40:15.870
Then we can have that conversation about that plan. I think this kid will do well.

00:40:16.870 --> 00:40:19.670
Anyways, but if he doesn't want to do it, no big deal, man. It's good to have

00:40:19.670 --> 00:40:24.230
him on that. It goes to your point, too, that it's about their goals, too.

00:40:25.410 --> 00:40:29.910
If he has no aspiration of competition, you're not forcing him to do it.

00:40:29.910 --> 00:40:33.770
And even if his goal was just I just want to do one you would support that too

00:40:33.770 --> 00:40:36.730
like that's that's important and,

00:40:37.808 --> 00:40:40.148
Some people, yeah, you're right. Some people are like that. And it's good.

00:40:40.268 --> 00:40:45.228
It is still good to have those guys who are killers on the mat and don't want to compete.

00:40:45.328 --> 00:40:48.848
100%. Because they're still helping the guys do. Yeah. They're still out there working them.

00:40:49.108 --> 00:40:53.728
And a guy who's like that, it's almost, sometimes they might be a better training

00:40:53.728 --> 00:40:56.448
partner than the other guys competing because they're not getting ready for

00:40:56.448 --> 00:40:59.168
it. So they can just be a good training partner.

00:40:59.508 --> 00:41:02.328
Yeah. No, you're right. So there's benefits there.

00:41:02.708 --> 00:41:05.688
You need great people on the mat. Yeah. Just simply put. Yeah,

00:41:05.708 --> 00:41:07.088
they don't have to be competitors to be good.

00:41:07.248 --> 00:41:11.188
100%. No, I mean, there's so many guys out there who are freaks on the mat. Who don't compete.

00:41:11.728 --> 00:41:16.768
There's a guy I give a little bit of shit every week because I think he should compete.

00:41:16.888 --> 00:41:19.948
Like, you're so fucking good, bro. But he doesn't want to.

00:41:20.668 --> 00:41:22.628
I've talked to guys who are like, I just don't want to be able to weight cut.

00:41:22.728 --> 00:41:26.088
So, I like eating too much. I'm like, yeah, fair enough. Then don't. I'm not going to eat.

00:41:26.528 --> 00:41:29.048
Again, that weight cutting shit sucks. Dude, I'm like, it does.

00:41:29.188 --> 00:41:30.988
You're right. All right. Okay, I get it.

00:41:31.328 --> 00:41:34.968
Yeah. But at the same time, if that's what it takes, if I can't convince them

00:41:34.968 --> 00:41:36.688
to get past that, no problem.

00:41:36.688 --> 00:41:39.548
Yeah not a big deal so um shit always happens and

00:41:39.548 --> 00:41:42.428
it's in again like you said it's super valuable to have like

00:41:42.428 --> 00:41:45.808
i mean you those types of dudes help also

00:41:45.808 --> 00:41:48.868
cultivate that tough competitive culture and

00:41:48.868 --> 00:41:51.888
room that motivates some folks to want to go compete so it's

00:41:51.888 --> 00:41:54.768
like you can you need both yeah you

00:41:54.768 --> 00:41:57.788
do need both you need both and those guys being dedicated and training

00:41:57.788 --> 00:42:00.948
their ass off on the mat and still getting fucking awesome getting nasty

00:42:00.948 --> 00:42:04.248
maybe beating some competitors a lot of times i do that's great

00:42:04.248 --> 00:42:06.988
too fuck yeah because i mean that's that's what competitors eat they

00:42:06.988 --> 00:42:09.668
need like dudes in the room yeah shoot them to their limits you

00:42:09.668 --> 00:42:12.488
need someone that's and i you need someone who

00:42:12.488 --> 00:42:16.788
can who can make you have to work because otherwise you won't yeah that like

00:42:16.788 --> 00:42:21.228
if you're if you can just if you can just uh you know smash everyone in the

00:42:21.228 --> 00:42:25.568
room you're probably gonna get lazy we talked about this in one of our last

00:42:25.568 --> 00:42:28.588
episodes the the coaching the student coaching where it's like you make like

00:42:28.588 --> 00:42:30.008
you know if you're doing your job right everyone,

00:42:30.813 --> 00:42:33.633
it's better, faster, hopefully faster than you. And you're like,

00:42:33.733 --> 00:42:36.513
oh fuck, these guys are threats now. You're like, oh, I need to get better.

00:42:36.713 --> 00:42:41.253
Yeah. I mean, that's, that's these, I feel like a good, a good gym environment

00:42:41.253 --> 00:42:46.493
and a training environment can cultivate all of that. Oh yeah. Yeah. For sure. Yeah.

00:42:47.513 --> 00:42:51.433
If we're doing our jobs, correct. Oh, definitely. I had a, I had a guy.

00:42:52.993 --> 00:42:54.913
He's, we're training right now.

00:42:55.033 --> 00:42:59.333
I'm like, I kind of took for granted the, the skill gap in wrestling for a little bit.

00:42:59.513 --> 00:43:03.093
And then they all like started getting better at wrestling and i started being

00:43:03.093 --> 00:43:08.813
like oh i gotta i have to like start actually wrestling you guys now you know

00:43:08.813 --> 00:43:11.153
like yeah i know exactly what you need wrestling

00:43:11.593 --> 00:43:16.593
it's this i mean i love it i i don't honestly say i love hate it i don't hate it i love it it's just.

00:43:17.173 --> 00:43:20.393
It what's cool about it is that um

00:43:20.393 --> 00:43:23.193
this is i have a feeling this is why a lot of like high level

00:43:23.193 --> 00:43:26.173
black belts because they don't want to be white belts yeah i like

00:43:26.173 --> 00:43:29.173
it in beach it's hilarious because that's like for me

00:43:29.173 --> 00:43:32.413
man when i go to the wrestling room like i can wrestle pretty well but did the

00:43:32.413 --> 00:43:35.753
guys have the guys we wrestle with oh fucking yes i

00:43:35.753 --> 00:43:39.153
mean if if i just went and picked people in

00:43:39.153 --> 00:43:42.153
wrestling class like b i mean sometimes

00:43:42.153 --> 00:43:45.113
that's okay but like there's like let me rephrase i'll

00:43:45.113 --> 00:43:47.893
put this right if i want to if i want to

00:43:47.893 --> 00:43:50.613
put myself in a situation where like i'll get my fucking ass handed

00:43:50.613 --> 00:43:53.653
to me in wrestling i can do that every class maybe i

00:43:53.653 --> 00:43:56.593
can hold my own pretty well i might be making myself sound like i'm not as capable

00:43:56.593 --> 00:44:00.033
as i am but like my point is that like they're dudes who will like or

00:44:00.033 --> 00:44:04.053
see you be sharp as a motherfucker the entire round because

00:44:04.053 --> 00:44:06.693
they're just too good they're so much better than

00:44:06.693 --> 00:44:11.413
me like i have to think through so many facets like technique strategy sometimes

00:44:11.413 --> 00:44:15.473
just athleticism because that's all i've got like sometimes that's all i've

00:44:15.473 --> 00:44:18.233
got like where i'm like i this guy is better at wrestling people like maybe

00:44:18.233 --> 00:44:21.933
i can move a little faster then i have to make the entire round a fast as fuck

00:44:21.933 --> 00:44:24.693
round which is fucking That's why wrestling moves.

00:44:24.913 --> 00:44:27.733
It's very difficult. But the point I'm getting at is that it's like- There's

00:44:27.733 --> 00:44:30.453
an ability to live in the chaos and like.

00:44:31.713 --> 00:44:34.633
Succeed within like the speed chaos

00:44:34.633 --> 00:44:37.693
and athleticism but it's not the most technical you have

00:44:37.693 --> 00:44:41.213
to like merge the two because you get into like the scrambles and

00:44:41.213 --> 00:44:44.993
the ability to like thrive in that scenario is um

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i think that's why it's so successful of an

00:44:47.693 --> 00:44:50.593
art and the other ones um well and just if

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i may the only thing i was going to say was that it's just the point with that is like

00:44:53.373 --> 00:44:56.673
there's i'm not going to be the best guy with that you know

00:44:56.673 --> 00:44:59.933
i'm going to be forced to work well it's

00:44:59.933 --> 00:45:03.673
kind of funny that you're you know you're talking about like keeping up like and

00:45:03.673 --> 00:45:06.553
and i like it yeah i like it is what i'm saying i

00:45:06.553 --> 00:45:09.633
find that i do better in my wrestling when

00:45:09.633 --> 00:45:12.753
i go against somebody who's a better wrestler

00:45:12.753 --> 00:45:16.073
like who's like a higher level wrestler because i

00:45:16.073 --> 00:45:19.313
think i get sloppy when i wrestle against like

00:45:19.313 --> 00:45:25.213
all people i get around with yeah oh yeah um so like i think i don't wrestle

00:45:25.213 --> 00:45:28.653
as well no i get it they force you to sharpen your sword and if you want to

00:45:28.653 --> 00:45:33.433
get some of the other i can do whatever i want you're so casual and by the way

00:45:33.433 --> 00:45:36.493
i've done that so with like new dudes who i've like even helped mentor they're

00:45:36.493 --> 00:45:38.953
like starting to make me hit this one move and they're getting better

00:45:39.393 --> 00:45:42.353
obviously the shout out to will if will hears this when i say his last name

00:45:42.353 --> 00:45:45.593
will's dude in wrestling class who like he's getting so good and not nothing

00:45:45.593 --> 00:45:48.393
i ever like played around with him or anything but like you know it's it's you

00:45:48.393 --> 00:45:51.593
put it this way he's like a white belt now he's like climbing up the race he's

00:45:51.593 --> 00:45:53.913
getting fucking good dude attacks you now it's like dude.

00:45:54.553 --> 00:45:57.953
It's uh Will's gonna be coming after me man Will's my guy too like we can't

00:45:57.953 --> 00:46:02.033
we do a lot of rounds together and he's just like you can't like it goes back

00:46:02.033 --> 00:46:04.313
to the same thing we were saying with like jiu-jitsu it's like you train these

00:46:04.313 --> 00:46:07.153
guys they get better then you're like alright I now have better training partners

00:46:07.153 --> 00:46:10.673
that's fucking sweet also it's cool to see him get good as fucking as he's working

00:46:10.673 --> 00:46:13.553
his ass off he shows up all time that wrestling class is horrible dude

00:46:13.953 --> 00:46:16.933
if you can consistently go to these wrestling classes or can where he's like.

00:46:17.760 --> 00:46:20.480
It's just like a nonstop sprint for about an hour.

00:46:20.700 --> 00:46:23.900
Like, it's like, it's just, you know, hats off to the guy. Yeah.

00:46:23.980 --> 00:46:26.040
And he's getting nasty. He's getting tough.

00:46:26.680 --> 00:46:30.940
And cool. Now I'll have one more really badass dude to like keep me from being a lazy bitch.

00:46:31.360 --> 00:46:35.520
Yeah, exactly. Keep you from, no, that's what you need in the room.

00:46:35.660 --> 00:46:36.900
It's for sure what you need in the room.

00:46:38.820 --> 00:46:41.660
We've covered a broad spectrum. This is good though, man. This is good.

00:46:42.440 --> 00:46:47.860
But I think the wrestling thing, it's a big part of,

00:46:48.560 --> 00:46:52.540
it does play a lot in the Gi versus no Gi too because you have a lot of guys

00:46:52.540 --> 00:46:59.780
who wrestle that do no Gi and the Gi, so the competition you see there is going

00:46:59.780 --> 00:47:03.220
to be different necessarily than when you see in the Gi tournaments.

00:47:04.080 --> 00:47:08.900
I personally prefer no Gi. Yeah, me too. But we'll put on the Gi.

00:47:09.640 --> 00:47:16.100
But I think that ties back to who you'll see in either one.

00:47:16.320 --> 00:47:20.880
You'll have no-gi people that you're going to end up seeing more wrestlers there

00:47:20.880 --> 00:47:25.140
or people who might, maybe, they might be more willing to wrestle because a

00:47:25.140 --> 00:47:27.080
lot of no-gi does base on that.

00:47:27.260 --> 00:47:32.220
A lot of people, a lot of no-gi practices and especially gyms that focus on

00:47:32.220 --> 00:47:37.440
no-gi, they do, a lot of them do more stand-up. They should. They should.

00:47:37.680 --> 00:47:43.700
I know what G8 Because there's less you can rely on. So, you know.

00:47:44.940 --> 00:47:50.860
But yeah, I mean, competition, no gi, gi versus no gi. Comparing with your coaches.

00:47:51.180 --> 00:47:51.880
Comparing with your coaches.

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There's a lot of stuff that we touched on today. Have a plan,

00:47:55.240 --> 00:47:57.360
think about your goals, know what you want to do.

00:47:58.280 --> 00:48:01.840
Do both. Do whatever's fun, man. Do whatever keeps you on the mat for years.

00:48:02.080 --> 00:48:04.540
Oh, yeah. That's the thing. What's going to keep you motivated for the long

00:48:04.540 --> 00:48:08.300
term? Do the thing that, do what makes you enjoy the sport. Right.

00:48:08.300 --> 00:48:09.400
At the end of the day. Right.

00:48:10.120 --> 00:48:12.260
Don't compete if it's going to make you stressed out and burn out.

00:48:12.620 --> 00:48:16.680
100%. If you have a weird toxic relationship with this. Yeah. It's not.

00:48:17.240 --> 00:48:21.400
Yeah. I think that was a good way to put it there at the end. Like, do the thing.

00:48:21.600 --> 00:48:24.760
Do what makes you stay in the sport for the longest and makes you enjoy it.

00:48:24.820 --> 00:48:27.480
I don't want people doing this sport just to compete and then,

00:48:27.480 --> 00:48:31.860
like, develop a weird relationship with it that is based around,

00:48:32.260 --> 00:48:35.020
like, oh, I have to succeed. I have to be the best at this.

00:48:35.100 --> 00:48:38.560
Because, like, that's probably why some people don't. that's definitely,

00:48:39.220 --> 00:48:41.860
so you know do what do what makes you

00:48:41.860 --> 00:48:44.880
do the best I hope this helps some people make some you know hope

00:48:44.880 --> 00:48:47.580
this can help some people kind of pick a

00:48:47.580 --> 00:48:50.320
pathway in it as well and I know we didn't like

00:48:50.320 --> 00:48:53.520
do a whole lot on the gi versus no gi I'm pretty because we're relatively new

00:48:53.520 --> 00:48:56.620
do what's best for you yeah well I don't think we need to have like an entire

00:48:56.620 --> 00:49:00.480
conversation no all the gripping and shit like that I mean like we kind of touched

00:49:00.480 --> 00:49:03.180
like here's the thing with like what we talked about the preparation go to your

00:49:03.180 --> 00:49:07.240
coach and you will need to do things differently because the uniform is different

00:49:07.240 --> 00:49:08.860
it. And that uniform makes a big, big, big.

00:49:09.793 --> 00:49:12.573
Yeah, we don't need to get into the minutia. You're going to need to prepare

00:49:12.573 --> 00:49:14.153
for the lapel and this and this and that.

00:49:14.873 --> 00:49:18.693
I don't believe that's as necessary to the core of talking about it. No, I agree.

00:49:18.893 --> 00:49:22.393
While it is relevant, well, let me put it this way, it's super necessary,

00:49:22.393 --> 00:49:24.933
but your coach should handle that for you.

00:49:24.993 --> 00:49:28.193
Me and Mike can't handle that on a podcast. No, I can't tell you what you need to do.

00:49:28.633 --> 00:49:31.413
Maybe there's a way you can figure that out. Yeah, you can pay us a bunch of

00:49:31.413 --> 00:49:36.953
money and we can console, but at the same time, we don't know what this person's doing.

00:49:37.453 --> 00:49:40.693
The coach will. We don't know all of the listeners. We know some of you.

00:49:41.133 --> 00:49:43.653
We know a few of them, but like- We might not be able to help.

00:49:43.653 --> 00:49:47.793
We can't help you personally, listener number, whatever. If you want a specific

00:49:47.793 --> 00:49:51.553
conversation about like tactical guidance, put that shit in Discord.

00:49:51.753 --> 00:49:54.113
We're going to talk about that too. Reach out. Shoot us. I mean,

00:49:54.193 --> 00:49:57.073
that stuff's fun too, but I think we've hit on the actual answer. Yeah.

00:49:57.613 --> 00:50:02.253
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